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Ukraine On The Edge: The 7 Minute Video Summary

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The following seven minutes of mayhem look eerily reminiscent of the violent pre-ambles to the middle-east's recent coups or non-coups. As anti-government protesters demonstrated against the shunning of a European trade agreement (President Yanukovych - "I will not allow any serious economic losses and decline of living standards"); the clashes became ever more violent as the police cracked down. Following heavyweight boxing champion (and opposition leader) Vitali Klitschko's call for a new government - "our main task is Yanukovych’s resignation. But the first step is the resignation of Azarov’s government" - the clashes left at least 265 people injured. The crackdown followed Interior Minister comments that they "won’t allow Ukraine to become another Libya or Tunisia, where uprisings toppled governments in recent years." Of course, the main difference is the Ukraine is now squarely under Putin's sphere of influence.

 

0:20 Initial fireworks followed by police flash-bangs and tear gas...

1:45 Some standard police beatings

3:00 Ubiquitous projectile exchange

3:30 Police charge...

4:30 Serious police beatings handed out

5:30 The two fronts stare each other down

6:00 Serious police reinforcements

 

 


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Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:19 | Link to Comment unrulian
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i generally prefer standard beatings to serious beatings

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:25 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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Does the Ukraine have a 2nd amendment?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:27 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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It sure as hell has a Department of Homeland Security.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:32 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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It also has a lot of GAZPROM consumption and can't be warm this winter from any other source.

"Get out of the streets or freeze.  Simple as that."  -- Vladimir Putin

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:44 | Link to Comment Pinto Currency
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Brings back memories:

"With fears of a Sterling crisis and a breakdown of the Bretton Woods agreement possible, causing France's Charles de Gaulle to push for an overhaul of the international monetary system, de Gaulle was the target of several CIA-linked assassination attempts between 1965-1966.[6] After these attempts failed, de Gaulle's government was then a target of destabilization which later succeeded in 1968."

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-original-dollar-crisis-and-h...

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:01 | Link to Comment Carpenter1
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Just another mob brining flags and bandanas to a gunfight, with the predictable ending. Guberments automatically use force, therefore nothing will change until protestors meet force with force.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:16 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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The police: they will beat you and kick you when you're down. Power-tripping thugs the world over. It's a job but someone's got to do it, right?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:38 | Link to Comment Popo
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*This* is why we have a 2nd Amendment.

Imagine trying to pull that pathetic Gestapo shit in an open carry state?

The numbers of jackboots to civilians would make the whole thing no-contest in about 10 minutes.

Liberty, bitches.

And what's with that tight-grouping strategy? What century is this? Just, LOL. Way to get your ass whupped in any real contest.

It's also amazing how fast a deal with Russia sends a society back to looking like the USSR. Any questions, world?

Putin's grand plan is falling to pieces before his eyes and it happened in one night. Got a plan B, Vlad?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:40 | Link to Comment Iocosus
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Our "long guns" cannot compete with long range ballistics, drones with infared, and the Wal-Mart crowd who will sell you out in a heartbeat.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:44 | Link to Comment Popo
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One could easily cite our last three military fronts as counter evidence to that thesis, but ultimately a shooting contest with civilians is a political disaster and highly unlikely in the USA. .., which is why the threat of such a contest must forever be maintained with a 2nd Amendment,

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 23:15 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Bingo. I will take 10 armed peasants defending their own land, over a drone battalion piloted by 12 year olds.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 01:27 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Buffalo Springfield with Stephen Stills aka "Sarge."  Sarge's dad was MIC and intel working S America.   Oddly all of these LA Groups were the kids of elites and MIC including Stills and David Crosby later in CSNY.  

Crosby old man was El See Eye Ayah Da plus they were a powerful founding family very well connected.  Search for Laurel Canyon with lots of sites on the kids of MIC, inteligence agencies, Admirals, founding families were all in pop groups in LA in Laurel Canyon.  At the top is a mountain with a govt film studio and other facility. 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 01:29 | Link to Comment Pinto Currency
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Carpenter1 - force is not required to change the system, simple non-compliance will do.  Ask Ghandi.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 04:15 | Link to Comment The Heart
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Coming to a theater near you soon!

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 02:51 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Indeed. Adm. George Stephen Morrison is an interesting fellow, smack in the middle of Gulf of Tonkin. John Philips was appointed to Annapolis; father was USMC. Francis Vincent Zappa was a MIC Chemist and Mathematician.

Not sure if it suggests anything sinister. Seems everybody worked for MIC during the Cold War era. My dad is still a Rocket Scientist for the MIC....FWIW.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 01:55 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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burn the cops homes while they are on stormtrooper duty..  make them a disgrace to be out in public since they gave up on defending the public for private interests..   force them to stay in private shadows and out of humanity's warmth..  whenever they show their face in public without their masks, have your kids throw rocks at them

 

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 02:22 | Link to Comment Mike in GA
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I'll take a long gun over a rock any day.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 05:41 | Link to Comment ronaldawg
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screw that. Is Gasoline and glass bottles illegal in Ukraine? Molotov cocktails are absolutely the best weapon in these types of close quarter skirmishes.

also it looks like the protestors have the cops outnumbered about 5 to 1. encircle the cops and they will panic.

I'll bet you will see tanks and APCs tomorrow.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:50 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Sorry, the US has been becoming more like the USSR, while Russia is going the opposite direction. And that 'Gestapo shit' worked pretty well for Randy Weaver and Waco.

It's like a Zher posted years ago:

The Soviet Union didn't die, it moved to North America.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:18 | Link to Comment JohnnyBriefcase
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When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 01:28 | Link to Comment 123dobryden
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part of eu deal was Slovakia to finish reverse transit asap and Ukraine could get to  eu gas

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 08:43 | Link to Comment kralizec
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Too bad they have to be enslaved by Putin, ever since the Orange Revolution and the poisoning of Yushchenko...the Russians will do anything to prevent a former subjugated territory to escape Russian influence and they eventually got thier lapdog Yanukovych installed, and he's been a little Vladimir ever since - cracking down on the press and freedom of assembly, arresting and intimidating political rivals.  Ukraine has been Russia's and Gazprom's bitch ever since.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:12 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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I have no sympathy for anyone trying to replace one piece of shit government with their own piece of shit government.

They should kill each other until all are gone.

Man will never be free until the last government worker is strangled to death with the entrails of the last government supporter.

thx Denis Diderot

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 00:03 | Link to Comment sgorem
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NOW YOU KNOW WHY WE ARE, FOR GOOD, OR FOR BAD, THE MOST ARMED AND FUCKING DANGEROUS POPULATION ON EARTH. BRING YOUR FUCKING BILLY CLUB, ASSHOLES. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN LIBERALS TRY AND SUBDUE YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO BEAR(AND USE) ARMS. COMING TO A NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR YOU..................................

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:25 | Link to Comment booboo
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Nicolae Ceaucescu used to hand out some badass beatings too until he blinked and the tide turned and him and his wife were staring down the barrel of a kalashnikov. Once the military and police fear going home it's game over.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:37 | Link to Comment ZH Snob
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...coming soon to a town near you.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 00:21 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Once the military and police fear going home it's game over.

Bingo.  Because like it or not - your neighbors generally know what you do.   If there are wives or women in the neighborhood - they know more than DHS/NSA. The wives know everything.

Good luck if you are in the goosstoppo if the shit starts falling apart.  

When old thuggo goes off to work - his family better be armed and the neighborhood is also gonna take all of thuggo's shit too.  His house or apt will be cleaned out and maybe even burned down.  Things will get nasty fast.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 05:44 | Link to Comment ronaldawg
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I waiting for the SHTF so the retired police and CHP who retired with six figure pensions to get their comeuppance in California too. retired teachers and administrators too.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:24 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Note to self -- don't fall down in street in Ukraine protest just before the police arrive en masse.  

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:38 | Link to Comment HulkHogan
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Fuck!! (I have nothing better to add)

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:39 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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This video is all you need to see to know that when push comes to shove the people that you pay to protect you will turn on you like a pit bull.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:44 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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Police forming lines like that in the US when rocks and molotov cocktails have started use would be utterly mowed down by private gunfire.  The police better have another plan for Dallas.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:45 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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they are banking on everyon being to ignorant/lazy to go after the correct targets. They just come around and clean up after we destroy each other.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:00 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Correction:

The people you pay to protect the government.

Just doing their jobs for thousands of years.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 04:30 | Link to Comment The Heart
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"The people you pay to protect the government."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaOuq0dPRvc

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:07 | Link to Comment DirkDiggler11
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No doubt Rand ! That one poor guy that fell into the gutter on the left hand side of the screen must have had no less that 20 cops stop to kick, billy-club, or both on him. Real tough cops to kick the shit out of a guy already about unconscious. Not good to be the first fallen when they let the monkeys out of the cage like that.

Peacefull demonstrations only get you beaten harder. Want to demonstrate, come armed and ready to play hardball. I don't think these same police will find the demonstrators such easy pickings the second time around. The few guys from the Ukraine that I know personally are some tuff sons a bitches that can go all day and all night on coffee and vodka. This shit ain't over by a long shot. The "demonstrators" are coming back for round 2 with blowtorches and pliers....

Long - Demonstrators post round 1, police stretchers and first aid kits

Short - Police and their pension fund.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 01:51 | Link to Comment Zero Point
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Spot on Dirk. I used to work with a bunch of Ukranians, not a bunch of guys I'd choose to fuck around with.

I'm actually thinking that the cops were given explicit orders to go over the top to provoke a reaction. Probably by the same assholes that organised a group of "protestors" to start smashing windows.

Agents provocateur on both sides, stirring shit in the center.

I'd urge any person that attends any kind of protest to observe their fellow protestors very carefully, and beat the living purple fuck out of any provocateurs you encounter.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 04:33 | Link to Comment The Heart
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"Spot on Dirk. I used to work with a bunch of Ukranians, not a bunch of guys I'd choose to fuck around with."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu4oy1IRTh8

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 05:44 | Link to Comment Zero Point
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Absolutely. We all disagree on many things, but everyone wants to be free, and free to prosper.

People that fight for those freedoms are indeed my brothers and sisters, I just always fear they're being used.

All I do so far is refuse to fund these fuckers (where possible, even that is tough), it's all I got.

Give me a head to aim at you fucks...... Footsoldiers, dupes and minions won't cut it.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:28 | Link to Comment slotmouth
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It is good to see that the phalanx is alive and well.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:28 | Link to Comment surf0766
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Have these people been disarmed? Like Cyprus?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:47 | Link to Comment DeliciousSteak
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I don't know, but pulling out a gun when you're facing violent riot police sounds like a genius idea!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:06 | Link to Comment fxrxexexdxoxmx
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When the police beat people on the ground they have made the choice to die. Shoot them.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:10 | Link to Comment DeliciousSteak
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Sure, and then you realize these psychos have been itching to bring out the machine guns and put their urban warfare drills into practice.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 23:18 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Nothing like a government sponsored massacre to galvanize the proles.

Just more fertilizer for the tree of liberty, my friend.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:28 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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Here are some photo's from everyone's favorite soft porn news portal........

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2516473/Protests-Ukraine-country...

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:29 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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How do you say "Mo fo popo" in Russian?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 00:57 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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more like "The Olympics." I'm not sure if this is the trajectory we're all looking for here. I thought World War I made us all recognize problems like this "as problems"?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:28 | Link to Comment BandGap
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Starting at about 1:35 there is an almost comical tag team beat down. WTF, does everone get a shot at this guy?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:37 | Link to Comment Quus Ant
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Peace officers taking advantage of anonymity to let off some steam and remind the commoner where he stands.

I can see why they want to destroy anonymity for the rest of us- they looked into their own hearts.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:35 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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This is about two things. Sevastopol AND NATO enlargement... not democracy or the EU.

In other news...

http://freepatriot.org/2013/11/30/california-now-confiscating-legally-pu...

The first police raids to take legally purchased guns commenced in California. The state has the strictest gun laws in the country now, and is definitely not pro Second Amendment in the state. California has been gearing up for this moment. Now they have made a move to confiscate legally purchased fire arms. They have expanded on their list of “prohibited persons” to have fire arms to include minor misdemeanors and “mental health concerns”. Some of the people are being not allowed their Second Amendment rights for various reasons including being behind on their taxes

We are not talking hard-core criminals. We are not talking illegally purchased firearms any more. We are talking getting a ticket for speeding, cops show up to take your firearms. We are talking having a bout of depression so your doctor prescribes an anti-depressant

Muuuuuuuuuurica.

The state hired 20,000 more officers in preparation for the new confiscation legislation. They also authorized more than $24 million in new gear and weapons for their confiscation team.

A police officer came to the door and lured Mendez out of his house with a story of a hit and run report. Once outside, he had M16s pointed within inches of his face, was taken into custody and had all weapons removed from his house.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:35 | Link to Comment gdpetti
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Well, it's nice to know where the CIA NGO's are spending our tax money and all their monies from 'other' sources. We haven't had a velvet revolution in quite some time, and those Arab Springs just don't have enough white people to keep the American MSM interested. Maybe this will kick the Georgian gambit back into action? How about China, don't we have something planned there as well? C'Mon we only have 5 to 6 months to go, better spend that money before it sunsets into oblivion.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:37 | Link to Comment Professor Fate
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Looks like their Gestapo has its own version of the "knock out" game only you already have to be on the ground to play. 

Fate the Magnificent
"Push the Button, Max"

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:39 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Russia was born in the Ukraine. If you think Vlad is gonna let the CIA get away with another fake revolution, you got another thing coming.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:43 | Link to Comment Iocosus
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Brussels and the Tower of Babel crew don't have natural gas.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 23:26 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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The USSR was also born in the Ukraine, if I recall my history correctly.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:40 | Link to Comment novictim
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Only a fascist could think that this beating of protesters was "OK"... Fascists or more likely a bunch of wanna-be stooges for the oligarchs.

ZH, your audience are a disgrace.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:43 | Link to Comment maskone909
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Its Tyler. Show some respect.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 02:04 | Link to Comment Haager
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What do we have on the side of the protesters: Corporatists, wealthy people and the far-right leading the protests. I would think twice about saying that one of the sides is fascist - it could be both.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 10:05 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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Indeed.   Goldman Sachs was sooo helpful to Greece to get them into the EU...the people have been paying for it ever since.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:57 | Link to Comment DeliciousSteak
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Seems like a lot of fun. A game of tag and king of the hill combined for adults. You can see how the boldest protesters risk getting caught and beaten just to get that little extra rush. When they return home they have lots of stories to share with everyone over a nice cup of vodka.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:00 | Link to Comment 401-Kulak
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Well these Russian goons are not as bad as what they did in 1933 - took all their food and starved 10 million to death.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:08 | Link to Comment novictim
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Agreed...but your name is really very ironic in that context.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:13 | Link to Comment fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Only racists talk about communist motivated deaths.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:00 | Link to Comment 401-Kulak
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Well these Russian goons are not as bad as what they did in 1933 - took all their food and starved 10 million to death.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:09 | Link to Comment Rafferty
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Actually those 'Russian' goons back in 1933 were mainly Jewish Communist apparatchiks headed by Lazar Kaganovich who lived happily into his nineties after starving a quarter of Ukrainians to death.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:15 | Link to Comment fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Jews do not kill. Judaism kills.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:25 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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Jews kill, using Judaism, bastardry and guns as weapons. 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:46 | Link to Comment Iocosus
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The Jews who started the Bolshevik Revolution were supposedly atheists, however, their actions suggest they were working for the guy downstairs.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 23:36 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Beliefs do not kill, people acting on beliefs do.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 05:04 | Link to Comment The Heart
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Which came first?

Beliefs, or mind control conditioning of a slave society using the god money to get anything done under any agenda by the 99% who just do not know any better.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:14 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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A lot of these pigs need a bullet between the eyes. Fucking bullies all of em. Come on folks, get your Mosin-Nagants out and march in front of these pigs armed to the teeth and see if they act so tough.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 10:08 | Link to Comment all-priced-in
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Did LA win another NBA title?

 I gave myself a down arrow - what an insensitive ass hole.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:16 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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While in Thailand they are using drones to film protests...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tInPb0sw3U

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:27 | Link to Comment Dr. Bonzo
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Most governments are a fiction of imagination, willed into existence by thugs prepared to shoot anyone who dares to challenge the illusion. When enough people dare to challenge the illusion... the illusion vanishes.

2000 protesters. No problem.

20,000 protesters. Small problem.

200,000 protesters. Problem.

2,000,000 protesters. Martial law.

20,000,000 protesters. The end.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 02:05 | Link to Comment Zero Point
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3% of population willing to die for their cause.

The End.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:24 | Link to Comment Elliptico
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Mayor Daley is smiling in his grave.

No Crosby, Stills and Nashski?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:35 | Link to Comment Platinum
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That's the first thing that came to mind.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:26 | Link to Comment JR
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The reason the crowds are in the streets of Kiev is the same reason the CIA is operating in Ukraine. And it’s the same reason NATO’s secret operations are pushing hard for a new government which would favor western connections. It’s all about oil and the disputed free trade agreement between Ukraine and the EU. Pipelines that can take oil to western tankers in the Caspian Sea region cut off Russia and her energy industries from these vital connections. Here’s a brief rundown of how Ukraine fits the Russia-EU/US dispute. For the rest of this incredible story go to the link below.

The Role Of The Ukraine:

Western control of Ukraine offers the prospect of securing an additional transit link between western Europe and the oil and gas reserves of the Caspian Sea region. The Ukrainian landmass lies to the north of the Black Sea reaching as far east as that part of the Caucasus region which forms the southern tip of the Russian Federation. That region includes Chechnya which NATO member states have been trying to covertly destabilize in order to engineer its breakaway from the Russian Federation. A breakaway would result in Chechnya's entry into an growing US zone of influence comprising a wide range of former Soviet 'Newly Independent States' in the Caspian Sea region.

The US gained firm control of Chechnya's neighbour Georgia in 2004 by backing the opposition movement lead by Mikhail Saakashvili which challenged rigged elections. The US was not pleased with previous President Eduard Shevardnaze increasingly looking towards Russia on energy matters. By stark contrast the US did not challenge fraudulent elections in next-door Azerbaijan where its dictatorial and brutal regime was already committed to US exploration and pipeline ambitions. 

In order to secure as much as possible of the northern Black Sea-Caspian Sea transit corridor the US and EU (which needs alternatives to Russian/Arabian oil and gas as much as the US) are unlikely to welcome any moves towards the partitioning of the Ukraine as seemed possible following the disputed election of 2004.

The long term objective of the west is to bring the whole of the Ukraine within its own orbit.

Russian Language Map of Pipeline Network Between Ukraine And Caspian Sea
Ukraine = Top Left (west)
Caspian Sea = Far Right (east)

Black Sea, including Novorossiisk = Bottom Left
Chechnya (Capital Grozny)  = Orange
Dagestan = To east of Chechnya

nlpwessex.org

READ MORE about US Subterfuge In The Ukraine: The Role Of NATO Covert Operations In The Elections Of 2004---

http://www.nlpwessex.org/docs/ukraine-caspian.htm

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 08:29 | Link to Comment Notarocketscientist
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That sounds about right - and par for the course. No doubt the protesters are CIA inspired cunts.

America is a dying beast - just as in Syria the Russians will tell Obama to fuck himself - you want a nuclear then keep on pushing it Obama and the rest of you cunts.

When I see those protesters being beaten and kicked I am rejoicing - it is like kicking Obama and his CIA thugs who are behind this in the teeth.

 

America is DEAD - Russia is laughing at the US - and China is telling Bernanke to fuck off

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-20/pboc-says-no-longer-in-china-s-...

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:26 | Link to Comment STG5IVE
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Anarchy In The U-Kraine

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 23:24 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Anarchy?

Where?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 01:56 | Link to Comment 123dobryden
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Black army is coming back ...

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:38 | Link to Comment virgilcaine
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Eu debt servitude or Russian jackboot, not a good choice. Angela's strapon or Vlad's iron fist.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 23:08 | Link to Comment JR
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You'd better check the label on those boots.

"Why would a group of leading American neo-conservatives…have climbed into bed with Chechen rebels linked to al-Qaeda?”  -- Sunday Herald - 12 September 2004

America's Long-standing Campaign to Destabilize Russia
Global Research, 22 August 2012:   One such entity that bears scrutiny is the American Committee for Peace in the Caucasus (ACPC), previously known as the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya. As reported by Right Web at the Institute for Policy Studies, 'The ACPC was founded in 1999 by Freedom House, a neoconservative organization that has worked closely with the U.S. government, receiving funds from the National Endowment for Democracy and other U.S. democratization initiatives.' This intimate relationship between the ACPC and the US State Department indicates not merely a confluence of interests, but rather a direct relationship .... The ACPC has taken the lead in championing the cause of separatism and terrorism directed toward Russia, both tacitly and overtly. After having championed the cause of former Chechen Foreign Minister Ilyas Akhmadov in his quest for asylum in the United States – subsequently granted along with a generous taxpayer-funded stipend – ACPC member Zbigniew Brzezinski went so far as to write the foreward to Akhmadov’s book "The Chechen Struggle."

U.S. Commander-in-Chief in Europe: Caucasus is vital for U.S.
Pravda, 4 March 2005:  "The Caucasus is among the most vital regions of the world for the United States, said Commander of the United States European Command James Jones..... At the hearings in the U.S. Senate Committee on Armed Services on March 1 General Jones presented an analytical report on the current and future military strategic interests of the United States in the world. 'Caucasus is increasingly important for our interests,' he said. This region is a key one in the process of spreading democracy and market economy to the countries of Central and Southeast Asia, Mr. Johns said. In the coming five years Caspian oil running across the Caucasus may account for 25% of the world increase in oil production, he said. It has been estimated by the U.S. military that the Caucasian oil and gas will ensure a diversification of the energy sources for Europe, the general said, according to a RIA Novosti report."

Putin Talks About Boston Bombings, Navalny, Berezovsky In Q&A Session
Radio Free Europe, 27 April 2013Rusian President Vladimir Putin accused the West of providing 'informational, financial, and political' support to militants in the North Caucasus that Russia considers terrorists. 'Russia itself has been a victim of international terrorism, one of the first such victims,' he said. 'And I have always been annoyed when our Western partners and your colleagues from the Western media called our terrorists -- who committed brutal, bloody, sickening crimes on the territory of our country -- called them insurgents and almost never called them terrorists,' Putin said."

Gorbachev: US could start new Cold War
Daily Telegraph, 7 May 2008:  "Delivering one of his most scathing attacks on the US, Mr Gorbachev told The Daily Telegraph that a US military build-up was under way to contain a resurgent Russia. From Nato's expansion plans in the former Soviet Union to Washington's proposals for a bigger defence budget and a missile shield in central Europe, the US was deliberately quashing hopes for permanent peace with Russia, Mr Gorbachev said. 'We had 10 years after the Cold War to build a new world order and yet we squandered them,' he said..... 'I sometimes have a feeling that the United States is going to wage war against the entire world.'... Relations have further deteriorated after Nato promised eventual membership to Georgia and Ukraine, a move interpreted by Mr Gorbachev as an attempt to extend America's sphere of influence into Russia's backyard.  ‘The Americans promised that Nato wouldn't move beyond the boundaries of Germany after the Cold War but now half of central and eastern Europe are members, so what happened to their promises? It shows they cannot be trusted.’ ....Gorbachev ..... quoting a Russian documentary on state television, suggested that Margaret Thatcher had supplied weapons to Chechen terrorists."

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 03:21 | Link to Comment HL Shancken
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You'd do well to reassess your sources. KGB fronts and publications that publish anti-American quotes of Communist Party leaders are not wisely chosen.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 03:56 | Link to Comment lewy14
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Feh. CIA. Whatever.

Russia is an epic nation-fail.

Face it - Russia is nothing without the Ukraine. Kiev is the cultural heart of Russia; the channel through which Muscovy could claim to be the successor to Byzantium. Kiev is to Moscow as Kyoto is to Edo (Tokyo). 

And Kiev rejects Moscow. CIA or no CIA.

Moscow has inflicted more misery on the Ukraine than the Nazis did.

Kiev will chew its leg off to escape the trap laid set by Moscow. 

Moscow might yet recapture Kiev but cannot then claim they are then one Nation anymore than a psychopath dude impregnating some poor bitch tied up in his basement can claim to have a Family.

Sad for the Rus, actually. Cautionary tale about what terminal harm Communism can do to a proud, authentic Nation. Hitler couldn't kill Russia; Stalin already had.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 06:22 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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re: "U.S. Commander-in-Chief in Europe: Caucasus is vital for U.S."

Caucasus = the real Ashkenaz homeland

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 23:05 | Link to Comment Kina
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How many generations will the CIA/USA be formenting wars, destablising governments for the benefit of banksters and corporations?

 

The USA ought to wake up that the rest of the world is waking up to the way it has been operating...aka Syria ... people get it that it was the USA/Israel formenting civil war from nothing for their own economic/oil ends.

The great irony for the USA will be that the methods that it has been using on others will be used on them. We have already seen massive loss in confidence in Congress and POTUS, the advent of Tea Party...and anybody but GOP/Democrat.

People are beginning to see that Congress and POTUS spend most of their effort taking from the country and giving it to the power Elite.

 

When the people don't believe in its institutions and governments it is set up for chaos. EVEN more reason for Bernanke to keep the ponzi printing presses going...less a crash and depression bring to the boil these things....

 

No wonder the domestic drones...

 

  • I make a prediction...that within 10 years, in the absence of another global war.... that the USA will be summarily killing its own people on the pretence of maintaining public order.
Sun, 12/01/2013 - 23:10 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Whatever the US is doing worldwide, it's not doing it to the benefit of the productive people of America.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 23:53 | Link to Comment Seize Mars
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Prediction? They already are summarily killing. You have to look at the alternative media a bit more. They shot some little boy because he had a toy gun.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 23:09 | Link to Comment Kina
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OK,,,Russia sends 'aid' to the Ukraine to help maintain order....Europe/USA then do the same.... China comes into the picture to pressure on the USA and Europe through is massive holdings of USD............China could conceivably blow up the USD anytime it likes...though it may be MAD

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 23:18 | Link to Comment Fix It Again Timmy
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Now that's what I call a real Black Friday.....

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 23:33 | Link to Comment Hongcha
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All these videos are like the same reel we have seen dozens of times since Chincago 1968.

Don't these guys watch the videos like we do.

You can't prevail throwing rocks and turning tail.

You need organization and all these guys lack it.  They have the spirit to face them down unarmed or armed with flagstones but no way can you carry it off or even create a dent.

What are the objectives you hope to achieve; and et cetera and so forth.

Just a sorry sight.

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 02:38 | Link to Comment dcj98gst
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They need gasoline, and lots of it. Let's see how much balls the police have after being dosed in gas. All you need is a match.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 23:35 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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Amazing. Those police with the rectangular shields and short batons look so similar to the professional legions of Rome. This might be exactly how it looked when the Romans massacred Boudica's mob. How things change and how they stay the same.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 23:49 | Link to Comment Seize Mars
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Ah! Back to the center of the chessboard. Looks like China versus Japan was getting no traction.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 23:53 | Link to Comment TheObsoleteMan
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Riots like this are not necessary. Only two things need to be done: 1. Don't go to work, stay home. 2. Don't go out shopping, stay home. Do those two things and it would all be over in a two weeks.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 00:38 | Link to Comment Herkimer Jerkimer
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Russian Putin World Tour 2014!

 

Think Czechoslovakia '56!

 

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Mon, 12/02/2013 - 01:21 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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If you're an American taxpayer all you need to be asking yourself at this point is how much these riots are costing Langley, Fort Meade, DoD along with our multinational mercenaries in sewing chaos just like our ongoing circus stunts in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria over the last decade?  What are the incentives once the "dust settles" and how will the American Corp and taxpayer benefit from it? 

We tried this with the "Orange Revolution" in this same Country 10 years ago and it failed, so how could we possibly improve our incentives after 12 years of war and occupation in the Middle East and an economy past the breaking point to try the same shit again? 

All it really amounts to is unending conflict as far as the eye can see with no ROI or payback for the time trouble and destruction it will cause.

The United States Government and it's military are nothing less then a bunch of fucking hoodlums and vandals in this effort in endorsing Yanukovych's opposition.

Truly beyond pathetic!

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 01:45 | Link to Comment Manipuflation
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Alright, this has to do with Yanukovych.  My sources, which are probably a hell of a lot better than yours, say that the riot is about wanting to be IN the EuroZone.  Yanukovych does NOT want to be in the Eurozone and then you have Ukraine which is bascially split in half ethnically as far as Slavs go.  Do your math. 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 02:35 | Link to Comment zipit
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You Can't Always Get What You Want

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 03:10 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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The unrest in Ukraine is predictable. Americans have no idea what goes on in areas like this former Soviet Republic. The political landscape is unkown to us American media viewers.

Ukraine has serious economic problems that successive governments have made zero impact on improving. Ukraine is a breadbasket nation, having the ability to produce grains and other foodstuffs on a grand scale. Sort of like Eurasia's American Mid West. The western half is Ukrainian and Polish. The extreme western Ukraine is made up of Polish lands taken at wars end by the USSR. These areas and the area in Kiev are very, and have always been, very pro western. But the people have little ideawhat that means, they have never in modern history been a part of the west. The Eastern Ukraine is ethnic Russian and speaks Russian. It has the coal and iron, the industry and technology. The two parts get along in an uneasy alliance.

The EU was naturally going to move to add Ukraine to their eastern nations. This is where it gets sticky. The eastern Ukraine is unlikely to go along with a transfer to EU controls. They will more likely move to split from western Ukraine.

To get on the path to EU membership, you have to change many of the ways Ukraine does business. It would need to open to EU imports. The economy would collapse under a flood of German and other nation's imports. Loans will be offered to pay for the reorganization and for consumer spending. Many Ukranian jobs would vanish overnight. Look at the other EU members in the east. It isn't pretty.

It appears that officials from the EU in Brussels have traveled to Kiev and are even giving speechs to protestors calling for revolution to install a pro EU government. The youth of Kiev are probably highly in favor of getting into the EU. Once in, they would get the same freedom of movoment all EU citizens enjoy. This means they could leave Ukraine in droves for Germany, France, Netherlands, Norway, Finland, Britain. A million would probably leave in the first couple years.

Ukraine as part of the EU? The odds for those left behind in Ukraine after the eastern part leaves to join Russia, the young leave for western Europe and the industry and small business is destroyed by western mega corporations? Well, it will just be a much bigger version of Rumania.

Sorry, but Putin is not going to keep providing nearly free energy for an EU nation. And why should he. He would also have to close the Ukrainian border to trade until duties can be put on imports to Russia. The nearly open Ukrainian/Russian borders are going to be closed to protect Russian domestic industry. The western mega corporations will not be allowed to destroy domestic industry. Putin and Russia will not allow that.

The outcome should be an independent Ukraine with full control over it's currency and trade laws. But the EU will not allow that independence. Ukrainians hungry for the right to leave will drive the protests. They want to move to London and Berlin. They will be gone the instant the ink is dry on the full EU membership. Rumanians are already packed and ready to move to britain by the hundreds of thousands as soon as that right become valid in January.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 04:02 | Link to Comment lewy14
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I upvoted you because I thought your post was factual and informative.

But it is not the whole story.

You have to consider culture, and history.

The Russian cultural narrative needs Kiev to be part of Russia.

The Ukrainian cultural narrative needs Kiev out of Russia.

This will never end well for everyone.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 15:15 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Oddly enough, I thought that that was just the point my post was meant to make. I guess I have to give myself a failure then as to making a point.

Kiev actually was the first Russian city, as the Vikings became the rulers to organize the local slaves into a political entity, Kiev was the capital. To the North and East over time the Moscow slaves and vikings developed along similar lines but the two have been rivals for centuries. I thought I was making that clear above.

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 07:24 | Link to Comment The Black Bishop
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I think this is a solid short analyzis of the situation.

 

Also, 100.000 demonstrators are NOT represantative of the national majority. I also agree that at some point a peoples revolution is a good change IF THINGS GET THAT BAD. In this case however, what we see are the pro-EU population that want to emigrate clammor for change so they can get out of the country. Entering the EU will not provide benefits for the people who will be staying in their country. Ukraine will just become another EU "protectorate".

 

I do know the horrible past with Russia and communism. The Holodomor, the true Holocaust of Europe, in 1933/34 was beyond horrible.

 

However, communism is pretty much dead and the Stalinist version has been dead for a long time. Therefore it is not fair to bring in the past from 80 years ago into a discussion about economic direction. Towards EU or towards Russia. Russia has much to offer and in my opinion can provide Ukraine the means to get their economy back on its feet. An EU alliance will turn Ukraine into a debt-mire and servant state to the EU. And as the EU and/or USSA seeks confrontation with Russia, Ukraine will turn into the front line.

 

I believe Ukraine is doing the right thing turning down the EU and solidifying bonds with Russia.

 

Personaly I would like to see Norway (my country) distance themselves more from the EU and seek a Switzerland model in terms of EU relationship. Norway has oil and gas to use as leverage for good trade treaties. However, I do fear that even with 2 peoples votes on EU membership (both negative) our new rightist government will still try to seek membership with the EU (without another peoples vote). If that happens, shit will hit the fan in Norway too, mark my words.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 11:58 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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"Rumanians are already packed and ready to move to britain by the hundreds of thousands as soon as that right become valid in January"...

And just what prosperity will the EU give them considering the state of those economies that have a youth uneployment rate in some cases that is 25% or higher in Spain, Italy, Greece and soon to be France?...  And of those hundreds of thousands that wish to depart what are their skills in a competing European economy of that doesn't need there salary and pensions watered down with cheap labor as we've witnessed with the influx of Indians in the U.S. over the last two decades?

As I mentioned in an earlier thread that came the day before on this subject I know a handful of engineers that left the Ukraine in the early 90's only to be heading back over the course of the last 5 to 8 years to (Russia in particular) because the economy in the U.S. has become increasingly unstable and will stay that way in the future as long as HIBI's spigots stay open and the USD continues it's long and steady decline into the abyss which is same for the Euro.

Putin has his work cut out for him agreed, but as long as he is attempting to nationalize the Russian economy doing everything in his power to build it's industry seperate from the EU and the U.S. based on stable reserves the Ukrainians will have a future and an incentive to stay.

One thing he hasn't done enough of is fostering a political climate that builds on the geopolitical and ethnic ties that both Countries already share.

 


Mon, 12/02/2013 - 03:27 | Link to Comment are we there yet
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I have two Ukrainian employees and one Russian employee, I have been to the Ukraine five times. The Ukraine has its own history that it is responding to the CIA or any secret covert force, they want to be free, they do no want to be under Russiaian control again. Nearly every family in the Ukraine has a memory of a past relative died in the great Russian forced starvation In the past. The current protests are genuine and self generated, not directed from the west.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 06:13 | Link to Comment alus
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It doesn't matter if it's initiated by the west or not. It's the case who will win on current situation. The only winner will be either Germany or Russia. This is the main point. Every such situation will be immediatelly used by third party. In each solution the looser will be Ukraine. You will see.

The worst possible solution will be splitting the Ukraine onto 2 parts: "west" speaking ukrainian or polish and "east" speaking russian.

Still Curzon line is actual for Russia and Germany as area of infulence. Tens of years after Ribbentrop-Molotov pact.

No good solution for Ukraine. They cannot stay independent (too high corruption on each level of government and industry). If they went to the west - Putin will cut all energy sources and trade agreements.

If they choose east - UE will do everything to destroy their industry to make Russia weaker. (Both ways will be also bad for Poland/Slovakia - because of partial dependance on energy sources routed via Ukraine territory and quite huge trade exchange).

I hope there will be 3rd way. If not, so better pray for Ukraine...

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 04:44 | Link to Comment The Heart
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All world brethren WILL unite to fight...for the Light...against the beast that seeks to befall us all...

All good hearts on board know what is right and what to do when the first balls of black powder fly...and fall...

Remember those who gave their all...

Be sure thar be no flies in yer eyes...stand ye tall...

All ahead full...y'all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIaPIy4Mddg

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 05:01 | Link to Comment johny2
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When bribing fails, than it is time for some fireworks. One way or another, minerals, grains etc of Ukraine has to belong to Democracy.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 05:34 | Link to Comment Zwelgje
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"Of course, the main difference is the Ukraine is now squarely under Putin's sphere of influence."

BS. The Ukrainian oligarchy had no other choice but to say no to the EU. They would have loved joining it:

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.nl/2013/11/ukraines-civilizational-choice-pyrrhic.html


Mon, 12/02/2013 - 05:43 | Link to Comment S5936
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Where is Boris ?
Time to weigh in.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 06:46 | Link to Comment jballz
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Forget Boris, Where is Bandar?

Guess he headed inland after they shut down his Syria expedition. Putin will rus the day...

Or something along those lines I wager.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 06:41 | Link to Comment BlackVoid
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Poor ukranians, some of them still believe that the EU is the land of milk and honey. No, it is the land of meddling and burocracy supporting the big multinational companies.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 06:55 | Link to Comment 22winmag
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With hundreds of millions of high-velocity equalizers in the hands of the people here in the land of the *fee*, I believe this whole scenario would play out much differently, and much more in the people's favor.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 08:09 | Link to Comment CheapBastard
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Riots in the USA are usually for moar Fat Pensions, Bigger Free EBT cards, moar minutes on th eir free Obamaphone, etc.

In the Ukraine, they protest for ideological reasons.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 08:18 | Link to Comment Notarocketscientist
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How long till this comes to America?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 09:30 | Link to Comment mogul rider
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It's already here

 

It's called Black Friday to fake you out.

99 buck TV's are the new soveriegnty

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 09:29 | Link to Comment Shrapnel
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Those fucking thugs make me sick!

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 09:30 | Link to Comment mogul rider
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There must be 99 buck TV's soemwhere there....

300,000 pissed off shoppers

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 09:38 | Link to Comment Shrapnel
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Those fucking thugs make me sick!

A beautiful hit - central foreground at the 3:10 mark!

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:40 | Link to Comment Trampy
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SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS

Is the current Panopticon now so powerful that it can prevent one inmate from being contacted by others? I never imagined that an open-air prison such as the present day could be the virtual equivalent of solitary confinement, but if nobody here will reply to me “knocking on the pipes” with the Morse code international call of distress, then yes, it sure does seem so.

Are the people here afraid to answer, or is it that maybe they're just indifferent, like the crowd of New Yorkers who stood by as Kitty Genovese was murdered in broad daylight?

Under maritime law, it is a serious offense to ignore an SOS. Likewise, it is a serious, but lesser, offense to abuse the SOS protocol. Does everything here think that someone else will do the right thing, as with Ms. Genovese? Or does everyone here think that this is just a prank, or worse?

Very sadly, not one person has replied with sincerity. I don't bite and always try to be a good person. And I love cats and I don't lie. Yes, it's very difficult living in this world surrounded by zombies. All of these here highly-educated, high-income males who live alone, and not one of them has answered my plea. WTF! Have all the decent people of the world been killed or made too scared to email a decent stranger who is clearly in need?

It's really not that difficult to extract my email from the PGP key posted here. And it's OK if you can't or don't want to use PGP. I've been told previously that plenty of people here actually do know how to use PGP and could do so, but that it seemed senseless, and off-putting, for me to be using it for something so “harmless.” Really! This person, who will of course remain nameless because I don't gossip, told me it seemed silly. Astounding! Don't people realize that the world would be a much safer and more private place if all the non-zombies of the world again used PGP for the most trivial of correspondence, as was the case with me and my peers in late 1990s? Or, has what may be a limited hangout from Snowden served to scare even the cognoscenti from “drawing attention of the authorities”?

And I really don't care what your handle here is, because I'd like to move a discussion out and away from the overt hostility and braggartry that rules ZH. Try wait, maybe some think that it's me who is doing the intimidating because I, like almost everyone else, shows off my knowledge. But that's the whole Fight Club meme, and ZH has always been very uncollegial, or, as they say, “Fight Club” per the eponymous movie, from the very beginning. So that is a very good reason to not tell me your ZH handle.

Let's try this again, please. And I'll keep at it until I get at least one genuine response. I'm not just repeating the exact same post over and over again. This urgent plea will keep changing and it will be continually reposted until I get at least a few civil answers so that the hoped-for discussion could be taken off-line from here. Mahalo!

Inmate of open-air prison run by lunatics and populated almost entirely by zombies is desperately seeking a pen-pal ... because Aldous Huxley gave someone to Winston Smith.

For mutual support in these trying times, am seeking fellow non-zombie intelligent, open-minded, and well-informed inmate for discussing topics of mutual interest, such as:

  1. Both actual and notional nuclear accidents, and nuclear technology of all sorts. Is nuclear safety always an oxymoron? I'd love to find a fellow atomic scientist here, as in Bull. Atom. Sci.;

  2. Same as it ever was. “Kill the man, kill the problem,” Joe Stalin. Change is a process, not an event. And the Hunt brothers truly believed in the inflation-wracked 1970s that the only way to preserve their wealth against monetary inflation was to buy silver. The Hunts did not foresee Paul Volcker. Today's stackers are no different. And George Orwell's intended title for his most famous book was originally “Nineteen Forty-Eight,” its year of completion, but that was too incendiary a title. Strange as it may seem to those too young to remember the 1960s and 1970s, it was probably more common to see the intelligent writers back then saying that we were (back then) living in the new “Nineteen Eighty-Four” world system than is seen in today's writings, when it's so much more obvious than it was back then when we didn't yet have the technology to do all the things described, but the mechanics of the social control system required time to brainwash multiple generations of us. Only time will tell what the future will bring;

  3. Same as it ever was. Bankers v. The People is nothing new. In 1833 Andrew Jackson took on and succeeded in killing the Second Bank of the United States. In 1963 JFK took on the Fed and was killed. The bankers will do “whatever it takes” to keep it going as long as possible;

  4. Same as it ever was. Historical Revisionism of WW1 and WW2 as a battle of valiant truth-telling historians versus the plush OSS/CIA myth-telling “historians” as waged notably by the largely, and very sadly, forgotten Harry Elmer Barnes, 1889–1968. Many brave souls such as he have seen history through the lens of Historical Truth is First Casualty of War and lived to tell the tale, or at least published before their death. Big Mahalo to the CIA for renaming the quaint (and hifalutin) pre-JFK historical revisionism into the much more catchy (and contempo) conspiracy theory.

    I've never seen it mentioned anywhere, and am familiar with all the “usual suspect” websites, but there is a most fantastic book in my hands now which might very well be the single most enlightening book I have ever had the pleasure to read. This slim paperback explains, in the post-WW2 period going up to Viet Nam, how an entire generation (and now three?) of historians since 1937 have been brainwashed into mindlessly repeating statist propaganda that is patently false, in order to justify what is usually called The Good War. Barnes explains why WW2 was entirely unnecessary and could have been avoided if Churchill had not succeeded in conniving with FDR to wage war against Hitler on provocation and false pretenses, just as Hiroshima and Nagasaki were unnecessary to win peace with Japan, and just as Wilson's entrance in WW1 was unnecessary … where, in all three cases the U.S. war-making was done even though there was no threat to the domestic national security. Barnes is the most powerful advocate for peace I have ever beheld, yet outside of university history departments seems to be totally unknown, and yet for very good reason, because he exposes most of them as hacks, frauds, and overall tools of interventionist state propaganda. His books and those of the other “revisionists” he summarizes have been suppressed very effectively by what he calls “powerful minority advocacy groups,” which is an obvious reference to the Pro-Slander Legion, which he seems afraid to name, for good reason! . Honest academic historians have been denigrated as kooks or worse in what he calls the blackout and then the smearout. Historical revisionism has been totally suppressed per what Barnes called The Bible of his then [1950s and 1960s] current times: Nineteen Eighty-Four. Get the below book while you still can! It is well worth any price. Forces of Evil wish it could be eradicated:

    Harry Elmer Barnes, Historical Revisionism: A Key to Peace, and Other Essays, With a Foreword by James J. Martin, CATO Paper No. 12, CATO Institute, San Francisco, CA, 1980.

  5. Cognitive Dissonance, Optimism Bias, Normalcy Bias, Denial as first stage of Grief, Herding, Societal Psychosis, Mob Rule, Kangaroo Courts, Blame the Victim, etc. And has anyone noticed that when their formerly “aware” friends have children for the first time they will always zombie-like start to shun their former acquaintances in order to protect their children from the “dangerous ideas” that they used to discuss dispassionately. Are they trying to protect those young minds or do they feel guilty about bringing them into this world?;

  6. zerohedge.com as an island of sanity, albeit very sadly wholly lacking in collegiality; and, most importantly,

  7. weaknesses in the open-air prison system which might allow its escape and/or subversion, because a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!