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Putin Announces Russia Not Involved In Ukraine Unrest, Says Local Events Are Not A "Revolution" - Live Stream

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While events in the Ukraine continue down a very slippery path, and just a few short minutes ago the Prime Minister Azarov fired the Kiev chief of Police who got into hot water over the weekend for various clips showing Police brutality in dealing with demonstrators, one specific party that is keeping a very close eye on the ongoing developments is Russian leader Vladimir Putin who scored a major victory over Europe when he managed to realign the Ukraine away from the EU and sign a trade pact with the "European bread basket" nation, an event which according to the prevailing narrative the main reason for the surge in civil discontent as hundreds of thousands took to the streets over the weekend. As such, it is important to keep track of news not only from Kiev but also from Moscow. One such update which came moments ago was the following:

  • President Vladimir Putin has said Russia respects any choice made by Ukraine, Dmitry Peskov tells Bloomberg in Yerevan, Armenia.
  • Russia not in talks with Ukraine on loans, bailout
  • Russia not involved in current unrest in Ukraine: Peskov

This came just hours after Putin stated that events unfolding in Ukraine should not be described as a revolution, but were rather more reminiscent of a “pogrom.

In other words, Russia is most certainly in talks with the Ukraine on loans, and one can bet any amount ok kopeks that Russia is involved in the current unrest, if not formally then certainly informally. Furthermore, since a grand geopolitical realignment appears to be taking shape in Eastern Europe, it was inevitable that some promptly suggested that the CIA's involvement in local events, with an eye toward destabilizing the government, is tangible. To be sure this would be right out of the CIA playbook (see Libya and Egypt).

Which also means keep an eye on Brent, which has finally awoken to the instability in the Ukraine.

Also keep track of what president Yanukovich is doing: Reuters reported that he will travel to China as planned on a state visit, a television anchorman said, summarising the interview. A visit, or a potential asylum bid if things spiral out of control?

Finally, for those who enjoy keeping tabs on current events, below is a live streaming link from Kiev.



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Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:30 | Link to Comment Canadian Dirtlump
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If they were involved, it would be to quell the Western backed opposition and agitation. I understand EU is butthurt that the ukraine decided not to pursue a trade deal which would cost them billions to set up and bearing questionable fruit.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:30 | Link to Comment knukles
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When you have 'em by the gas burners, their hearts and minds inevitably follow.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:44 | Link to Comment Pure Evil
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So, which team will be the first to commit an act of international aggression, NATO or Russia?

Our Ukrainian comrades must be liberated.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:47 | Link to Comment WhyDoesItHurtWh...
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Isn't a "pogrom" the genociding of a nation ?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Cult_of_Reason
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Yanukovich, piss off!

http://femen.org/en/gallery/id/277

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 03:13 | Link to Comment michael63636
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A common method of genocidin a nation is to beat them to death with sticks.  Putin is right, it looked more like a pogrom than a revolution.  The police were beating the protestors with sticks.  If it were a revolution, the protestors would be winning the battle, not running away.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 15:41 | Link to Comment Cult_of_Reason
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Ukraine total repayments of government & government-guaranteed debt total $8.3 USD billion in 2014
http://t.co/HjVbGuiFXw

Also watch out for what is happening to Ukraine's ebbing reserves and spiking yields...

The yield on the junk-rated sovereign’s dollar bonds due June 2014 increased 274 basis points to a record 19.34 percent as of 5:22 p.m. in Kiev. That compares with an average of 8.52 percent since the note was sold in August 2012 and an all-time low of 5.34 percent set in March. The cost to insure Ukraine’s bonds through credit-default swaps jumped 81 basis points to a two-week high, surpassing Cyprus as the costliest in Europe.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-02/ukraine-dollar-yields-surge-as-...

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:49 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Perhaps Russia, by way of NATO? Never waste a crisis.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:44 | Link to Comment Al Huxley
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I thought there was a virtually infinite supply of shale gas all over the world, that would make everybody energy self-sufficient in the next couple of days or so.  So who needs Russian gas any more?  Or is it just the US that's swimming in cheap oil and gas now, which case, could the Europeans not buy a small amount of this unlimited supply, and again relieve this uncomfortable dependence on the nasty Russians.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:52 | Link to Comment Canadian Dirtlump
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It seems that in Europe the idea of exploiting tight oil or shale gas ( any unconventional energy involving fracking ) is anathama to the "greenies."

As someone in the oil and gas industry, I wish Canada would be pushing the export of LNG ( conventional and unconventional gas - we have shut in production all over the place here ) and invest in infrastructure.

 

p.s. as I've replied to you I realize that I likely failed to notice biting sarcasm, which means it is time for my brave new world esque meds.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 15:51 | Link to Comment Lore
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Re: "As someone in the oil and gas industry, I wish Canada would be pushing the export of LNG ( conventional and unconventional gas - we have shut in production all over the place here ) and invest in infrastructure."

Agreed.  Fortunately, exports out of BC are set to rise, and the Bakken field is in trouble. Natgas should have a bright future, barring continued interference by lying psychopaths, Agenda 21 zealots and naive watchers of "Gasland." 

Gasland II Bebunked

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:41 | Link to Comment Nassim
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Canada will need all the gas it can in order to get oil out of the ground. The synthetic crude coming out of Alberta is really a way of turning really cheap gas into oil. As soon as gas becomes in short supply or its price rises, it will cease to make sense to exploit the Alberta deposits. Canada is not exactly flush with gas:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_production_in_Canada#Alberta

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 05:06 | Link to Comment Lore
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How many wells have you drilled in Canadian formations?  You know NOTHING. 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 17:25 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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The one industry that's making a pure "killing" in the Shale oil arena, is the "DRILLING" industry.

Bullish for Dick(head) Cheney.  He and his Halliburton pals will have a very, very green Christmas.  And they'll be in the pink.  Fuckers!

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 19:00 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Does Canada have anything onshore on the east coast and any LNG terminals? Any gas or oil onshore in NE Canada?

I know offshore you have that big platform in iceberg alley.  Hibernia off Newfoundland.

http://www.oilrig-photos.com/picture/number107.asp

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:32 | Link to Comment maskone909
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ot,

what is the story behind your avatar?  i am seeing that cartoon face thing more and more. 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment Canadian Dirtlump
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That would be the noble fool, Trollface.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:44 | Link to Comment Pure Evil
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I just thought it was the Bumb Uglies.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 14:21 | Link to Comment maskone909
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ah, i see.  many thanks.  gotta stay up to date lol

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 16:05 | Link to Comment El Tuco
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@Canadian Dirtbag

Are you and Jack Burton related because you seem to be just as much a fucking idiot as he is. Putin paid 10 billion directly to Yanukovych for the deal. 3 armored trucks left his personal residence just a day ago? What the fuck do you think was inside. They are trucking in paid hooligans from eastern Ukraine along with police from eastern ukraine to fight the peaceful demonstrators. The whole thing is a moafioso deal and idiots like you keep talking about the western influence. News for you...the west has forsaken Ukraine a long time ago...

 

Fuck are you ever an idiot Canadian Dirtbag....

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:55 | Link to Comment RaceToTheBottom
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It all depends on whether Putin was wearing a shirt when he said it.

If the shirt was off, then he was making a play for the ZH man-crush groupies he has here.

 

Not that there is anything wrong with that sort of thing...

 

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 15:05 | Link to Comment Colonel Klink
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Of course there isn't, coming from a guy named RaceToTheBOTTOM.

Assuming this is Obama's account on ZH?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:30 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Pogrom. Hmm. Does that mean Vladimir is happy or unhappy with the current events?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment aVileRat
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Unhappy. Remember the word Pogrom is a careful wordsmith in Kremlinology. Now think about who his friends were.

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:41 | Link to Comment Al Huxley
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I don't think the Ukraine has any gold that needs liberating, so I don't see why the CIA would be involved.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:47 | Link to Comment Canadian Dirtlump
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Neo-imperial aspirations and isolation of Russia I guess. Encircling countries that don't play ball with the West with missile batteries and military bases on alert for democracy war is needed so the terrorists, communists, and bearded savages who don't like women going to school don't win.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:58 | Link to Comment ThirdWorldDude
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Because Brzezinski!

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 14:35 | Link to Comment Canadian Dirtlump
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On one hand I think there is a grand geopolitical vision.. Then there is Afghanizstan. Ziggy Brzezinski helped engineer the Soviet boondoggle there for all the world to see. Then decades later the West marches right back in there and royally one ups the soviet, redefining the concept of fail. I guess from the perspective of taxpayer money being funneled into the hands of private corporations it has been an unqualified success.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 15:03 | Link to Comment ThirdWorldDude
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Yes, they've helped more than a few cronies get rich in the process, but money isn't what the inbred psychopaths want cause they're already dirt rich. Absolute power is what they wet their diapers to...

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 15:11 | Link to Comment Zwelgje
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As 'Iraq' served the petrodollar, 'Afghanistan' served the narcodollar.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 16:00 | Link to Comment tony wilson
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because what rothschild says

soros does.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:49 | Link to Comment Pure Evil
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Its all part of The Great Game.

 

"The Great Game was a term for the strategic rivalry and conflict between the British Empire and the Russian Empire for supremacy in Central Asia."  (Wiki)

Its all about amassing as much of the Earth as one can control.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 17:34 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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+1.  Yup, "He who controls/owns the most resources when the global supplies dwindle... WINS!"

From same concept as "He who has the most toys when he dies, wins."

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 14:06 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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You're forgetting the real prize to the American MIC -the Ukraine's sea ports not only for commerce but also what it means to the Russian Navy's strategic fleet.

Just ask the Pakistani's what has happened to them letting China in for the work on Gwadar setting up that lane of commerce the American and British Government's are doing everything in their power to skuttle? Then ask yourself how you'd feel if China or Russia decided to park a new set of submarine and air force bases off Mexico, Cuba and Venezuela?

We really are the most contemptible pieces of shit ever laid.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment Trampy
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We really are the most contemptible pieces of shit ever laid.

Yes, we most certainly are, and we've been that way ever since the 1930s.

Very few realize it, but the hypocritical lies supporting American bullying of the entire world go back to the what historical revisionist historians called our Second Crusade, WW2.

Same as it ever was. Historical Revisionism of WW1 and WW2 as a battle of valiant truth-Sametelling historians versus the plush OSS/CIA myth-telling “historians” as waged notably by the largely, and very sadly, forgotten Harry Elmer Barnes, 1889–1968. Many brave souls such as he have seen history through the lens of Historical Truth is First Casualty of War and lived to tell the tale, or at least published before their death. Big Mahalo to the CIA for renaming the quaint (and hifalutin) pre-JFK historical revisionism into the much more catchy (and contempo) conspiracy theory.

I've never seen it mentioned anywhere, and am familiar with all the “usual suspect” websites, but there is a most fantastic book in my hands now which might very well be the single most enlightening book I have ever had the pleasure to read. This slim paperback explains, in the post-WW2 period going up to Viet Nam, how an entire generation (and now three?) of historians since 1937 have been brainwashed into mindlessly repeating statist propaganda that is patently false, in order to justify what is usually called The Good War. Barnes explains why WW2 was entirely unnecessary and could have been avoided if Churchill had not succeeded in conniving with FDR to wage war against Hitler on provocation and false pretenses, just as Hiroshima and Nagasaki were unnecessary to win peace with Japan, and just as Wilson's entrance in WW1 was unnecessary … where, in all three cases the U.S. war-making was done even though there was no threat to the domestic national security. Barnes is the most powerful advocate for peace I have ever beheld, yet outside of university history departments seems to be totally unknown, and yet for very good reason, because he exposes most of them as hacks, frauds, and overall tools of interventionist state propaganda. His books and those of the other “revisionists” he summarizes have been suppressed very effectively by what he calls “powerful minority advocacy groups,” which is an obvious reference to the Pro-Slander Legion, which he seems afraid to name. Honest academic historians have been denigrated as kooks or worse in what he calls the blackout and then the smearout. Historical revisionism has been totally suppressed per what Barnes called The Bible of his then [1950s and 1960s] current times: Nineteen Eighty-Four. Get the below book while you still can! It is well worth any price. Forces of Evil wish it could be eradicated:

Harry Elmer Barnes, Historical Revisionism: A Key to Peace, and Other Essays, With a Foreword by James J. Martin, CATO Paper No. 12, CATO Institute, San Francisco, CA, 1980.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 15:19 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Thx

Good news is the U.S. has reached it's critical mass and is about to take it's worst fall in it's history. 

I wish their was another way out, but as long as we have bought and paid for shills in D.C. that will whore themselves by saying and doing anything they are told by the collective elite while simultaneously destroying the very fabric of our justice system and it's laws under the Constitution that was the genius that brought the best and brightest to this Country in the first place. -Game over very soon especially if we continue to place the high cost and burden that we have since WWII on meddling in everyone elses business interests thinking they are our own. 

It had to come to end and it most certainly will with a CB and an economy that is both out of time and out of a clear destiny with no end in manufacturing chaos at home or abroad.

Sounds like an interesting read but I find it sort of contradictory that the publication comes out of the CATO Institute given it's funding sources.

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 19:12 | Link to Comment Herd Redirectio...
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City of London/Wall St - Financial arm of the Empire

Washington DC - Military arm of the Empire

Vatican - 'Spiritual' arm, playing devil's advocate to the Financial and Military arms.

The key is that they are working together.  This new pope hasn't convinced me yet.  Talk is cheap.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 17:12 | Link to Comment Chandos
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Thank you Trampy for the Barnes reference...I'll be sure to check it out..

 

As I've said before: Any history worth telling, is history worth revising.

Wed, 12/18/2013 - 20:26 | Link to Comment Trampy
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Thank you Trampy for the Barnes reference...I'll be sure to check it out.. As I've said before: Any history worth telling, is history worth revising.

@Chandos, No Problemo.  Cato 12 is a very hard to find. mises.org may have more by him but here is their PDF of his Pearl Harbor after a Quarter of a Century http://mises.org/journals/lar/pdfs/4_1/4_1_3.pdf

Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace has been republished recently and is cheap, but, from Martin says below, it may not be anywhere near as good as the stuff in Cato 12. [All quotations below bolded.]

Try wait.  Alibris did have some copies of this one, Harry Elmer Barnes, Learned Crusader: The New History in Action, of which Martin said in the Intro to Cato 12:

Indispensable to an understanding of the scope of Barnes's intellectual interests and his amazing literary productivity is the symposium edited by Arthur Goddard, Harry Elmer Barnes, Learned Crusader: The New History in Action (Colorado Springs: Ralph Myles, 1968).

I've looked around but the only copy of Cato Paper 12 by James Martin, Ed. published 1980 (Barnes died 1968) found for sale was a private seller asking $402 through Amazon.

We're talking about a man, Barnes, whose History of Western Civilization textbook published in 1935 was the first college textbook to be reviewed on the front page of the New York Times Book Review and then became a standard college textbook for over 30 years, and who was elected as president of the American Historical Society.  Here's an excerpt where the lead-in is that he's talking about how this country used to mind its own business, and libertariansism ruled, not just in foreign affairs, but domestic also.  From p. 73 of Cato Paper 12, reprinting his essay "Revisionism and the Historical Blackout" [any typos mine]:

In our own country, the traditional American foreign policy and benign neutrality and the wise exhortations of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Quincy Adams and Henry Clay to avoid entangling alliances and shun foreign quarrels were still accorded highest respect in the councils of state.

Unfortunately, there are relatively few persons today who can recall those happy times.  In his devastatingly prophetic [@1952] book Nineteen Eighty-Four, George Orwell [1949] points out that one reason why it is possible for those in authority to maintain the barbarities of the police state is that nobody is able to recall the many blessings of the period which preceded that type of society.  In a general way this is also true of the peoples of the Western world today.  The great majority of them have known only a world ravaged by war, depressions, international meddling, vast debts and crushing taxation, the encroachments of the police state, and the control of public opinion and government by ruthless and irresponsible propaganda.  A major reason why there is no revolt against such a state of society as that in which we are living today is that many have come to accept is a matter of course, having known nothing else during their lifetimes.

James Martin writes this in the Introduction of Cato 12:

... Of a somewhat different nature [from Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace] is his long essay "Revisionism: A Key to Peace," [the title essay of Cato 12] which was featured in the Spring 1966 issue (vol. II, no. 1) of Rampart Journal, a short-lived and much-lamented libertarian quarterly.  This number is unique in that it is the only known [@1980] issue of a serial publication devoted to World War II revisionist literature.

HAPPY HUNTING!!!   Let me know what you think.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 16:12 | Link to Comment akak
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Please, everyone, STOP with this inexplicable, demeaning and insulting phrase of "the Ukraine" already!  Why "the"?  After all, nobody says "the Canada" or "the Germany" or "the Ireland".  The name "Ukraine" stands on its own.

And while picking this particular linguistic nit, the proper name for the country to the south of Poland and to the west of Slovakia is "Czechia", NOT "the Czech Republic".  In an analogy to the above comment on Ukraine, nobody ever says "the German Republic" or "The Mexican Republic" or "The Indian Republic" when referrring to Germany, Mexico or India, respectively, so why do so many English speakers feel the need to do so in this one particular case?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 17:15 | Link to Comment Chandos
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Reminds me of Seinfeld...«The Ukraine is weak!..it is feable!»

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 17:25 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Your point well taken. 

I think you can tell that I am in no way attempting to be desparaging in my remarks which are anything but anti-Ukrainian.

Peace

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 17:30 | Link to Comment akak
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Sorry, SOCN, my remarks above were not directed at you personally.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 18:48 | Link to Comment djsmps
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And why Munich, instead of Munchen? The Obama wants to know.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:47 | Link to Comment BandGap
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Some reports say 100K are throwing rocks and such, some say 300K. Which is it?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 14:33 | Link to Comment Puppet Hegemon
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According to police there were 700.000 demonstrants yesterday on the streets, according to other sources - over 1M.

Throwing rocks and and such is conducted by provocateurs. Many of the provocateurs are hired by current ruling party to which Yanukovich belongs himself.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment pirea
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I realy don't understand why EU or Russia will want to take over Ukraine's problems. Look all these guys well dressed in the streets,while the agriculture and industry of Ukraine were anihilated the last 20 years. Who is planning to come and pay for good life of people without output? Do you realy think that at this modern war technology it is so important who has influence on that piece of land?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 15:33 | Link to Comment johny2
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It works like this:

 

Ukraine gets clothes, cars, watches, tv together wih reality shows and other perishable goods.

EU gets industry, land, minerals and new debt slaves.

After Ukraine, next is Russia. 

 

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 16:39 | Link to Comment Joe A
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Because there is always something more left to own.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 14:25 | Link to Comment Mister Ponzi
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Symbolically, this announcement was made in Armenia, a country that a couple of months ago had to make the same decision as the Ukraine and decided identically...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23975951

I guess the Armenian parliament discussed who may defend them in case the events from 100 years ago happen again. Then, they were shown first a picture of Vladimir Putin and then of Herman van Rompuy. The rest is history.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 14:50 | Link to Comment virgilcaine
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It's funny how the Eu thinks of itself as a sound political structure.  They are Hitler's vision finally realized. Ukraine is the bread basket, the EU the basket case. Run the other way Ukranians!

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 15:58 | Link to Comment The Heart
Mon, 12/02/2013 - 17:38 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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President Putin, which geo-strategic chess move shall we play here?

Putin:  The classic "Duck gambit" -- Calm on the surface, but paddle like hell underneath.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 18:34 | Link to Comment SmittyinLA
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So denial of permanent conscription into the band of thieves known as "EU" is a pogrom?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom

That's like calling libertarians anti-semetic 

 

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 19:11 | Link to Comment JR
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The media is trying to capitalize on the former images of the US and USSR--the Soviets with their tanks and secret police and the Americans with their extension of freedom, morality and justice.

But the positions of the two nations are reversing—there’s no Soviet system any longer and Russia now has a leader who is nationalistic and not imperialistic and a Christian, whereas America is ticking off country after country with a war machine and its leaders are  constantly setting up the mechanism for a world government under socialism (and they are not Christian).

Here are a few summarizing paragraphs from Pat Buchanan:

“With the death of its Marxist-Leninist ideology, Russia is moving back toward its religious and Orthodox roots. Secretly baptized at birth by his mother, Putin has embraced this. Increasingly, religious Russians look on America, with our Hollywood values and celebrations of homosexuality, as a sick society, a focus of cultural and moral evil in the world… Upon what ground do we Americans, 53,000,000 abortions behind us since Roe v. Wade, stand to lecture other nations on morality?

“Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, trade, arms reduction—we have fish to fry with Putin. As for our lectures on democracy and morality, how ‘bout we put a sock in it?”

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 20:55 | Link to Comment 401-Kulak
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"...there’s no Soviet system any longer and Russia now has a leader who .... a Christian..."

BWAHAHAHA - how many journalists did Putie kill?  56?   57?

http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2012/mar/11/journalist-safety-vladimir-putin

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 19:18 | Link to Comment Martel
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one can bet any amount ok kopeks that Russia is involved in the current unrest

Odd conclusion. Putin got Ukraine's EU train off the track, by twisting a thumbscrew on his Ukrainian counterpart. Many Ukrainians prefer the EU to Russia, so they went to the streets. Why would Russia torpedo its own plan, now that it was winning?

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 20:52 | Link to Comment 401-Kulak
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Putin is not winning with hundreds of thousands shutting down traffic in the capital city.

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