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Ukraine Government Admits Protests "Spinning Out Of Control"

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With Ukraine's CDS spiking and the protests growing ever more violent, the government is oddly honest:

  • *AZAROV SAYS KIEV PROTESTS SPINNING OUT OF CONTROL: INTERFAX
  • *AZAROV SAYS GOVT AWARE OF PLAN TO SEIZE PARLIAMENT BUILDING:IFX
  • *AZAROV SAYS UKRAINE ASKING WEST FOR HELP TO CALM PROTESTS: IFX

Of course, the only voice that matter is still calm:

  • *PUTIN SAYS CRISIS IN UKRAINE WILL SUBSIDE

Is that a directive or a statement...?

 


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Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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TANKS!!!

THE PROTESTING PEOPLE WANT TO BE RUNOVER BY TANKS!!!!

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:27 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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Russia T-90

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:34 | Link to Comment Manthong
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Correct me if I am wrong..

These protesters want to align themselves with the bank cartel dominated west rather than Russia?

OK, Russia has its own share of faults but it does have a flat tax and to my knowledge, the secret police are not quite invasive as they used to be.

Something does not seem so Kosher about how this is all bubbling up.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:37 | Link to Comment Vampyroteuthis ...
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Putin will do this the KGB way. Let the protesters take control. They will run the country further into poverty. Russian secret service will take hits on the new, incompetent leaders. Rule the country when the citizens beg for you to come back.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:05 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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"May" is permissive, while "shall" is mandatory.  "Will" is an expression of Putin's desires: his "will" is that the protests subside.  Is he prepared to see to it that his will be done?

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment knukles
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Let's look at it this way.  How'd the Lenin in a Trunk sales go on Black Friday?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 14:24 | Link to Comment Bangin7GramRocks
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I just saw a great story about this on the Who Gives A Shit channel. Verizon Fios channel 722.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 15:00 | Link to Comment knukles
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You lucky son of a bitch!
You get the Who Gives a Shit Channel!

Everything on my cable box is now MSM propaganda, shopping, better sex through Viagra, more shopping, Butt Toner Workouts, the Kardashians and illegal Alien (outer-space, so no bitching about diversity and love, bitchez)  bullshit ...
Or static.... seems Mrs K sent a buncha those boxes thingamajigs back a while ago.
But she let me keep the batteries.

God I miss Katie Couric and The View

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 16:07 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Not so fast, Vampy.  Regardless of the level of (in)competence of a Protest takeover, once the Urkaine signs the EU Pact of Annexation, it's all over but the crying.  The EU will send in whatever resources, assets, skills, fiat, etc to assimilate them per the Master Plan.

Their President and Putin need to take a more concrete but sly & devious stand.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:39 | Link to Comment Cult_of_Reason
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After constantly being raped by Russia for over ~100+ years, any alternative is the lesser of two evils.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:42 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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Pick your poison.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:54 | Link to Comment Manthong
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..revolver with one round and a spin of the cylinder  :-)

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:59 | Link to Comment Svendblaaskaeg
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"....revolver with one bullet and a spin of the cylinder .."

For the Ukranians, the choice looks more like Russian roulette with a semi auto..

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment Manthong
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hmm.. that tends to leave any Divine Providence out of the equation.  :-)

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 14:51 | Link to Comment knukles
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Weeeeeeeell...
Could be a hard core Theist what with predestination and all that sorta crap ...

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment Manthong
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Makes sense, but just as this is hardly the country I was born in, it may not be the case that things are the same anymore over there, too.

..just sayin'

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:59 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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What the people want is guaranteed benefits packages provided by the EU regulations, as well as the right to immigrate to richer countries without visas.

It hasn't yet occurred to them that GAZPROM heats Europe, too.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:18 | Link to Comment gold_pa3ot
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no, you are wrong. people are just fed up with this corrupt gov. and thieves

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 16:06 | Link to Comment Relentless
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Yeah, they want a new corrupt govt with new thieves!

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment gold_pa3ot
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actually since 1654

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 16:12 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Yeah, first chance they get at self-determination that's in THEIR interest, and the EU Elite wants to prevent it.

This is more about saving the EU and the Petrodollar's Debt-fiat (to collateralize Bond-Debt and Derivatives) than "Ukraine" per se.  The global game of Stratego continues.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:12 | Link to Comment JR
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It’s about petroleum; the pipelines, the oil from the Caucasus. It’s about drawing the line of Western Europe to cut off Russian access to oil tankers.

It’s about installing a western puppet government in Ukraine that will work with the EU bankers in enslaving the Ukrainian people. This mob, like mobs in other countries, thinks it is moving its economy toward “western ideals,” and all the while they are picking up their invitation to tyranny.

For lthose who think this crisis is about the free trade agreement, they need only to take a look at the map and the oil and gas pipelines that crisscross Ukraine and its key position in the Caucasus. THIS CRISIS IS ABOUT CHANGING THE GOVERNMENT, removing the ties to Russia and installing the ties to Brussels.

Most people in Europe were never given a chance to vote on joining the European banker model. And with mobs in the street in Kiev, the Ukrainians aren’t going to be given a chance either.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:20 | Link to Comment Manthong
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My recollection is that there were votes or referendums and most voted against the EU but it was rammed through anyway.

Regardless, the road to serfdom has a destination and it is becoming increasingly clear to a lot of folks there now.

I only wish it was understood here.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:30 | Link to Comment alangreedspank
Mon, 12/02/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment ThirdWorldDude
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Give the dude some credit, at least he doesn't want to be more 'Merican.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 14:48 | Link to Comment alangreedspank
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Any way they'd go, they're fucked.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:30 | Link to Comment holgerdanske
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Funny you should say that. But the US and EU are behind some of the uprisings in north Africa, and I get no surprise if this is also the case here.

But, I don't even know. Years ago it was a one way choice, anything BUT russia. Now, it could perhaps be discussed. Ask the Cypriots!

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:41 | Link to Comment Oldballplayer
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There are still a few million who hold a grudge against Russia. Millions starving will leave a mark.

The Germans only killed the Jews.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 14:50 | Link to Comment knukles
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Oh, they did a fine job with gypsies, homosexuals, drunks, drug addicts and dissidents if I remember correctly... just to name a few.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment aVileRat
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Given the current government of Ukraine has thrashed the country for Putin's benefit, this is long overdue. However, what will likely result is a balkanization of the country where East Ukraine that was resettled in the 1940's by Russian's following the Stalin purges will separate to Russia. Putin has already said this is a red line and protection of these dual passport nationals is reason for invasion or federated territory status: A justification that was put into practice at Georgia.

East Ukr. is further backstopped by Russian black cash working in illegal coal mines or meth/croc labs. Yes, there are whole towns that were BASF chem plants in 2001 that have converted to underground drug manufacturing in the last 10 years. Progress we can believe in.

West Ukraine is still bitter at the Yulia fiasco, creeping natural gas prices and the black sea fleet crisis.

Then, there is this little issue of natural gas assets and production rights that were given at $0.04/acre to Gazprom interests in the Black Sea. Everyone else had to pay 4.00/ac for similar rights. Those acre profits never made it to the gov. coffers. On that note, another big magic trick in kremlinology was where the windfall from the sale of the carrier hull went. This is a major sticking point that the current government is refusing to disclose, and why the IMF refuses to conduct business with them. Over US$10B is unaccounted for at a national level in Ukraine. All of this in the last 6 years. And that's just looking at the big ticket items.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:11 | Link to Comment aVileRat
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Very true. I totally forgot about that while inbetween meetings this AM. Yes, flesh trade (sex slaves to Asia & body harvesting) has risen over 400% in the last 6 years. You think Greece is bad ? Go check out Novoprosk. Want to make Afgani contractors seek hazard pay ? Ask them to go site check at 2 am on a Sunday night. FARC territory looks tame compared to those ghettos.

If there is going to be a rumble between the new Oligarchs and the old establishment it is going to be here and many who got screwed bad by Putin will be playing their hands in this adventure. Removing Ukraine, or the taxpayer half of Ukraine from Russia's sphere will be a huge blow to not only Putins claim to be champion of the Orthodoxy Slavs but his Foreign policy legitimacy with other FSU's.

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:32 | Link to Comment Manthong
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It seems that in Germany and Japan a niche market for a comestible exists for a certain body part specific to a man.

Is it lunchtime yet?

How long before the Black Friday Zombies clamor for this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149879/Japanese-man-22-cooks-genitals-serves-paying-dinner-party-guests.html

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/353310/German-police-officer-arrested-for-cannibalism

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 15:33 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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These incidents are aberrations, not that there wouldn't all be a market for long pork if the shit really hit the fan and the trucks servicing the supply line stopped moving. There are 3 days worth of food at any given time in the major population centers. 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:43 | Link to Comment JR
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The same quest for world government that once had moved forth from the Bolsheviks in the U.S.S.R. is now moving forth from the financial cartels based in America and Britain.

It’s a new cold war where the American Empire seeks to first restrict Russia’s influence and, eventually, to eliminate it

Pat Buchanan has described how the American Empire responded to the Soviet breakup, not by a friendly welcome to the former Soviet satellites, but to a cold war takeover.

From Buchanan: “We pushed NATO right up to Russia’s borders, bringing in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Rumania, Bulgaria, even former Soviet republics, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia.

“European objections alone prevented us from handing out NATO war guarantees to Ukraine and Georgia. Was this a friendly act? Would we have regarded post-Cold War Russian alliances with Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, and Mexico as friendly acts?

“To cut Moscow out of the Caspian Sea oil, we helped build a pipeline through two former Soviet republics, Azerbaijan and Georgia, and, thence, under the Black Sea to our NATO ally Turkey.”

Obviously, the created crisis now unfolding in Kiev is meant to install an American-Empire-friendly Ukraine government that will severely restrict Russia’s energy economy.

One wonders what the banking cartel will do in a world without the Russian counterbalance. Hint: The American people already are a pawn to finance the road to world government.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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CIA payback for Syria?????

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:46 | Link to Comment ThirdWorldDude
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More like a CIA payback for throwing alphabet soup CIA-sponsored NGOs out of Russia.

 

If you remember Zbigniew's "Grand Chessboard" he propagated the creation of two Ukraines - East and West, because the country is divided on religious basis which historically pledge allegiance to opposite civilisations. But I digress; it's a fact Yanukovich is close to Russia, but he also knows who'll have the upper hand in forthcomming trade negotiations between EU and the Russia-led trade organization.

Besides, what Ukraine'd get from EU is not full membership, but an Association Agreement where Brussels throws you peanuts from various funds, while the free trade clause allows subventioned EU products to swarm your domestic market and drive what's left of your industry to throw in the towel. Those protesting orange fucks would still be able to visit Europe only as tourists.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:27 | Link to Comment Long-John-Silver
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People have forgotten Russian Tanks rolling into Poland to put down a revolution.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:42 | Link to Comment DogOfSinope
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Actually, people didn't forget.

Because Russian tanks didn't roll into Poland to put down a revolution.

They rolled into Hungary and Czechoslovakia to put down a revolution.

Anyway, amateurs.

They could simply wait until new elections, assasinate new democratically elected president and put murderous military junta in power, as some more insidious evil emprire would do.  ;-)

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment Dave Thomas
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Don't forget the black crayola markers and dixie plates either!

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:07 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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Maybe he's thinking the Battle of Warsaw in 1920 where tanks were used to defeat the red army.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 14:41 | Link to Comment The Burning Planet
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Wow. Still locked into that 1960s cold war state of mind huh?

 

Please get in the time machine and join us here in the 21st century. Russia is the #2 oil and gas exporter in the world. They have all the money they need. And they sure as shit don't need any Ukranian headaches. The Ukraine is to Russia what Mexico is to the United States. Except the whores are better looking.

 

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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Recent NBC/NY Times polls indicate that, yes, you are correct.  66% of respondents expressed either a 'Strong' or 'Very Strong' desire to see protesters run over by tanks.

The sample size was 3 and skewed towards the more politically active:

1. Putin

2. Obama

3. A Ukranian protester

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:07 | Link to Comment gold_pa3ot
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fuck those respondents! fucking idiots

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:55 | Link to Comment Kprime
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If it's a news headline it must be true,

 

stay tuned for upcoming live video of protestors (happily, gratefully,) thankfully run over by tanks.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:17 | Link to Comment Stoploss
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That's a warning folks..

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:18 | Link to Comment wisehiney
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There's resistance?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:19 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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NOT ANYMORE!!!

Ukraine... Russia's new parking space...

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:56 | Link to Comment TulsaTime
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A new good-war for John McCaine

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:18 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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*PUTIN SAYS CRISIS IN UKRAINE WILL SUBSIDE

I'm pretty sure it will... 

DEPLOY THE STORMTROOPERS AND MOVE IN THE ARMY!!!

KILL'M ALL!!! TEACH THEM WHAT DEMOCRACY REALLY IS!!!!


Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:27 | Link to Comment DogOfSinope
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Nope, it will be: "Taper the gas pipeline".

Winter is coming...

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:24 | Link to Comment Gamma735
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Meet the new boss.  Same as the old USSR boss.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:25 | Link to Comment Stoploss
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This is how desperate the EU is for another patsy, they have to force them in with civil unrest.

This is the last card in that hand  'cause it would appear Vlad has their number on this.

 

Community Organization.

Meets,

Real Leadership.

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:32 | Link to Comment DogOfSinope
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Exactly!

The dilema these people face is to whom to surrender their souveregnity - Moscow or Brussels.

None will end well.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:30 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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It would go a long way for Putin right about now to give his fellow Ukranians and Russians an instructive history lesson on the problems always coming "from the outside", especially those foreign interest(s) that were involved before 1917.

He needs to promote the peace and play on the geopolitical, business and cultural strengths, more importantly the short and long term strategic direction that both Countries (he and Yanukovych) are planning to take.

I don't see him talking much about the future business direction of both Countries, but given our lame filtered and censored media maybe he has been doing this and the average American and Western European doesn't know it outside the banking interests that are attempting to subvert that message?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:33 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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He just needs ti pump up the Ukraine stock market until they can get "Ukraine's Dancing with the stars" on.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Yeah.

Unfortunately this is the crap that the vast majority of jobless immigrants that come from Eastern Europe think is waiting for them in Amerika.

I have a friend who married a Russian girl who came to the U.S. in the late 90's thinking everything she saw on T.V. about the States was what it was all about.  After 15 years and an economics degree she is seeing less and less of an incentive for staying here and she quipped recently that the very things she saw in Russia in the late 80's as a kid are what she is seeing right now in the U.S. and it's about time to cut her losses.

Can't say I blame her after what she's already been through.

Don't see this second version of a psyops "Orange Revolution" going in the U.S. favor this time, no matter how badly we want to control Russia's access to the Black Sea ports.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:35 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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How do you say 'bread helmet' in Ukrainian?  How do you say 'I want to do Mila Kunis?'

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:38 | Link to Comment Hongcha
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We had a Ukrainian girl in our office a few years back.  Jr. attorney, very religious.  She was like pure sex, just a pleasure to be around.  Those ladies are taught some refinement out there.  Good luck UK.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:39 | Link to Comment WallowaMountainMan
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it will be interesting to see how the Uks handle political crisis vs how Egyps handle their reset of their democratic process...

my hunch is that the Uks will be much more violent.

 

:)

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:56 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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So is Ukraines Pres. Yanukovych acting as Mubarak or Morsi?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:11 | Link to Comment gold_pa3ot
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Like Ceausescu... they will burn in hell together

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 19:29 | Link to Comment WallowaMountainMan
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morsi was cookin the books to reestablish a dictatorship, murarack was an old school tyrant...my guess is that yanu is mini-me-putin, putting on a face of friendly while back dealin himself a fine fine retirement in rubles stashed in a swiss account. none of them had/have the support of the people.

but, yanu seems caught off guard by the protests... recovery will be difficult.

the plot thickens.

 

:)

 

p.s. here's a link to a site i like to read.. http://www.juancole.com/2013/12/constitution-strengthened-religious.html

 

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:40 | Link to Comment WallowaMountainMan
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"Ukraine is a strategically important country of 45 million people. A trade pact with the EU was close. However, it appears that a rival bid (or other means of influence) arose during two closed door meetings with Vladimir Putin. The press often reports that President Yanukovich’s corrupt government has shown an instinct for self-preservation often at the expense of the expense of the nation."

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-03/russian-banks-most-exposed-ukra...

 

 

mini-me-putin it is...

 

:)

 

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment Rehab Willie
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Put Yanukovych in the ring against Klitschko, the winner gets Ukraine.

Sell fight on PPV and your economy improves over night.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:40 | Link to Comment Randoom Thought
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One cannot take over a country by force if one does not first have an excuse ... These protests rarely if ever happen without some coordinating hand behind the action. The trick is to anticipate who's hand it is and their ultimate goal.

Will we see Russian tanks to create stability?

Will the protestors create their own BIS tied central bank?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment Sonic the porcupine
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Perhaps Ukraine will rejoin the glorious Russian Empire. (Cue Russian National Anthem)

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment novictim
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For what it is worth, any -overt- move by Russia to crush protests and move in Russian troops will result in Russian losing the Olympics and a collapse in cooperation in growing Russian industry.

 

If you want to support the Ukraine and its aspirations for independence then schedule a vacation there...it's a beautiful country with lots of history and tourism will help them out.

 

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 12:56 | Link to Comment Kaiser Sousa
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fucking morons...

"we want to be debt serfs like spain...like italy, like mother greece....."

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:46 | Link to Comment Trampy
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SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS

Is the current Panopticon now so powerful that it can prevent one inmate from being contacted by others? I never imagined that an open-air prison such as the present day could be the virtual equivalent of solitary confinement, but if nobody here will reply to me “knocking on the pipes” with the Morse code international call of distress, then yes, it sure does seem so.

Are the people here afraid to answer, or is it that maybe they're just indifferent, like the crowd of New Yorkers who stood by as Kitty Genovese was murdered in broad daylight?

Under maritime law, it is a serious offense to ignore an SOS. Likewise, it is a serious, but lesser, offense to abuse the SOS protocol. Does everything here think that someone else will do the right thing, as with Ms. Genovese? Or does everyone here think that this is just a prank, or worse?

Very sadly, not one person has replied with sincerity. I don't bite and always try to be a good person. And I love cats and I don't lie. Yes, it's very difficult living in this world surrounded by zombies. All of these here highly-educated, high-income males who live alone, and not one of them has answered my plea. WTF! Have all the decent people of the world been killed or made too scared to email a decent stranger who is clearly in need?

It's really not that difficult to extract my email from the PGP key posted here. And it's OK if you can't or don't want to use PGP. I've been told previously that plenty of people here actually do know how to use PGP and could do so, but that it seemed senseless, and off-putting, for me to be using it for something so “harmless.” Really! This person, who will of course remain nameless because I don't gossip, told me it seemed silly. Astounding! Don't people realize that the world would be a much safer and more private place if all the non-zombies of the world again used PGP for the most trivial of correspondence, as was the case with me and my peers in late 1990s? Or, has what may be a limited hangout from Snowden served to scare even the cognoscenti from “drawing attention of the authorities”?

And I really don't care what your handle here is, because I'd like to move a discussion out and away from the overt hostility and braggartry that rules ZH. Try wait, maybe some think that it's me who is doing the intimidating because I, like almost everyone else, shows off my knowledge. But that's the whole Fight Club meme, and ZH has always been very uncollegial, or, as they say, “Fight Club” per the eponymous movie, from the very beginning. So that is a very good reason to not tell me your ZH handle.

Let's try this again, please. And I'll keep at it until I get at least one genuine response. I'm not just repeating the exact same post over and over again. This urgent plea will keep changing and it will be continually reposted until I get at least a few civil answers so that the hoped-for discussion could be taken off-line from here. Mahalo!

Inmate of open-air prison run by lunatics and populated almost entirely by zombies is desperately seeking a pen-pal ... because Aldous Huxley gave someone to Winston Smith.

For mutual support in these trying times, am seeking fellow non-zombie intelligent, open-minded, and well-informed inmate for discussing topics of mutual interest, such as:

  1. Both actual and notional nuclear accidents, and nuclear technology of all sorts. Is nuclear safety always an oxymoron? I'd love to find a fellow atomic scientist here, as in Bull. Atom. Sci.;

  2. Same as it ever was. “Kill the man, kill the problem,” Joe Stalin. Change is a process, not an event. And the Hunt brothers truly believed in the inflation-wracked 1970s that the only way to preserve their wealth against monetary inflation was to buy silver. The Hunts did not foresee Paul Volcker. Today's stackers are no different. And George Orwell's intended title for his most famous book was originally “Nineteen Forty-Eight,” its year of completion, but that was too incendiary a title. Strange as it may seem to those too young to remember the 1960s and 1970s, it was probably more common to see the intelligent writers back then saying that we were (back then) living in the new “Nineteen Eighty-Four” world system than is seen in today's writings, when it's so much more obvious than it was back then when we didn't yet have the technology to do all the things described, but the mechanics of the social control system required time to brainwash multiple generations of us. Only time will tell what the future will bring;

  3. Same as it ever was. Bankers v. The People is nothing new. In 1833 Andrew Jackson took on and succeeded in killing the Second Bank of the United States. In 1963 JFK took on the Fed and was killed. The bankers will do “whatever it takes” to keep it going as long as possible;

  4. Same as it ever was. Historical Revisionism of WW1 and WW2 as a battle of valiant truth-telling historians versus the plush OSS/CIA myth-telling “historians” as waged notably by the largely, and very sadly, forgotten Harry Elmer Barnes, 1889–1968. Many brave souls such as he have seen history through the lens of Historical Truth is First Casualty of War and lived to tell the tale, or at least published before their death. Big Mahalo to the CIA for renaming the quaint (and hifalutin) pre-JFK historical revisionism into the much more catchy (and contempo) conspiracy theory.

    I've never seen it mentioned anywhere, and am familiar with all the “usual suspect” websites, but there is a most fantastic book in my hands now which might very well be the single most enlightening book I have ever had the pleasure to read. This slim paperback explains, in the post-WW2 period going up to Viet Nam, how an entire generation (and now three?) of historians since 1937 have been brainwashed into mindlessly repeating statist propaganda that is patently false, in order to justify what is usually called The Good War. Barnes explains why WW2 was entirely unnecessary and could have been avoided if Churchill had not succeeded in conniving with FDR to wage war against Hitler on provocation and false pretenses, just as Hiroshima and Nagasaki were unnecessary to win peace with Japan, and just as Wilson's entrance in WW1 was unnecessary … where, in all three cases the U.S. war-making was done even though there was no threat to the domestic national security. Barnes is the most powerful advocate for peace I have ever beheld, yet outside of university history departments seems to be totally unknown, and yet for very good reason, because he exposes most of them as hacks, frauds, and overall tools of interventionist state propaganda. His books and those of the other “revisionists” he summarizes have been suppressed very effectively by what he calls “powerful minority advocacy groups,” which is an obvious reference to the Pro-Slander Legion, which he seems afraid to name, for good reason. Honest academic historians have been denigrated as kooks or worse in what he calls the blackout and then the smearout. Historical revisionism has been totally suppressed per what Barnes called The Bible of his then [1950s and 1960s] current times: Nineteen Eighty-Four. Get the below book while you still can! It is well worth any price. Forces of Evil wish it could be eradicated:

    Harry Elmer Barnes, Historical Revisionism: A Key to Peace, and Other Essays, With a Foreword by James J. Martin, CATO Paper No. 12, CATO Institute, San Francisco, CA, 1980.

  5. Cognitive Dissonance, Optimism Bias, Normalcy Bias, Denial as first stage of Grief, Herding, Societal Psychosis, Mob Rule, Kangaroo Courts, Blame the Victim, etc. And has anyone noticed that when their formerly “aware” friends have children for the first time they will always zombie-like start to shun their former acquaintances in order to protect their children from the “dangerous ideas” that they used to discuss dispassionately. Are they trying to protect those young minds or do they feel guilty about bringing them into this world?;

  6. zerohedge.com as an island of sanity, albeit very sadly wholly lacking in collegiality; and, most importantly,

  7. weaknesses in the open-air prison system which might allow its escape and/or subversion, because a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:02 | Link to Comment gold_pa3ot
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fucking russian thieves burn in hell! people of Ukraine are fed up with your shit!
Fuck Putin, fuck Yanokovich, fuck Azarov! 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:14 | Link to Comment unrulian
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Wierd Al?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:06 | Link to Comment Cornholiovanderbilt
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When are idiots going to learn you protest in the summer.  Vlady is looking forward to shutting the gas supply down for good this winter

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:28 | Link to Comment americanspirit
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You want to see tanks crushing protesters? Try putting 100,000 people on the streets of DC or any other US city to protest government corruption and criminality.

Fortunately Americans are too busy fighting each other over plasma TVs.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:50 | Link to Comment Fix It Again Timmy
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Joing the EU?  It's like trying to break into Alcatraz...

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 17:24 | Link to Comment UpAndComing
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I am checking latest for pure entertainment value. Ukrainians at least with Russia will keep from going broke as fast. If flood gates to Europe open, Ukraine will be soviet version of Michigan...except with many more pretty girls roaming streets. I imagine number of so called night butterflies will go off chart if protesters get way. While the men will sit home, girls will be pounding pavement.

They are all up proverbial creek. My crystal ball suggest maybe get two countries by time dust settles. Eastern dwellers compared to west is like two different peoples. It is like comparing jersey roughnecks to cajuns in Louisiana. Completely separate heroes, identities, holidays, even languages...etc. So...is probable they end up splitting in tugging war.

(How am I doing, Boris?)

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