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War On Democracy: Spain And Japan Move To Criminalize Protests

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

As might be expected as political and economic policy failures pile up and citizens become increasingly mad, the status quo is becoming increasingly authoritarian (recall blogger “Mish” was just fined 8,000 euros for a blog post).

In the latest disturbing news from a desperate power structure, the conservative government in Spain has passed an Orwellian bill titled the Citizens’ Security Law, which allows for fines of up to 600,000 euros ($816,000) for “unauthorized” street protests, and a 30,000 fine for merely having signs with “offensive” slogans against Spain or for wearing a mask.

This law is a perfect example of the increasing neo-feudalism being implemented across the globe by a corrupt, decadent and depraved status quo. Such laws must be immediately resisted or they will only get worse, much worse. It is quite obvious what the power structure in Spain in trying to do. It is putting into place an egregious punishment framework that could bankrupt a person by merely protesting. Such a threat is intended to make people not even consider their rights as human beings to express grievances to a crony government.

Instead of eye for an eye, it is like 25 eyes and a limb for an eye. If this does’t tell the Spanish people all they need to know about their government I don’t know what will. Below are some excerpts from a Reuters story covering the law:

(Reuters) – Spain’s conservative government agreed on Friday to toughen penalties for unauthorized street protests up to a possible 600,000 euro ($816,000) fine, a crackdown that belies the peaceful record of the anti-austerity protests of recent years.

 

Street protests and strikes have became increasingly frequent in recent years following huge cuts to education and health spending aimed at shrinking Spain’s public deficit to adhere to European Union demands.

 

But in contrast to Greece and elsewhere, where many similar protests have turned violent, Spain’s have remained largely peaceful, despite unemployment of 26 percent, rising poverty, and changes in labor laws that make firing easier.

 

Among other measures, protesters who cover their faces at demonstrations could be fined up to 30,000 euros while “offensive” slogans against Spain or its regions could reap a similar sanction.

 

The government also plans a new law restricting labor protests.

 

“This law … attempts to criminalize the act of protest,” said United Left lawmaker Gaspar Llamazares, questioning whether it complied with Spain’s constitution. “The government is trying to turn its political opponents into delinquents.”

 

”Compare events in Spain with those of other countries around us,” wrote conservative columnist Jose Antonio Zarzalejos on the website El Confidencial. “This security law … will add the stigma of authoritarianism to the political failure of the PP.”

It’s not just Spain though. This sort of panic attack from desperate members of the status quo is popping up elsewhere. Japan is another example, and over the weekend I read that Liberal Democratic Party Secretary-General Shigeru Ishiba compared demonstrations to “acts of terrorism.” From the Japan Times:

Citizens demonstrating against the controversial state secrets bill are committing “an act terrorism,” according to Liberal Democratic Party Secretary-General Shigeru Ishiba.

 

In a blog post Friday, he wrote: “If you want to realize your ideas and principles, you should follow the democratic principles, by gaining as much support as you can. I think the strategy of merely shouting one’s opinions at the top of one’s lungs is not so fundamentally different from an act of terrorism.”

My take is that people worldwide will not stand for such nonsense. Increasingly citizens have very little to lose and if they all say no together, there is not much the state can do. Just look at how Ukrainians responded to a ban on protests. Hundreds of thousands of them filled the streets in defiance. Below is a video of just one of the many incredible street scenes from over the weekend. In this case we see demonstrators using a tractor to break police barricades.

Interesting times indeed.

 

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Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:08 | 4208365 Boris Alatovkrap
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Beat citizenry until morale is improve!

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:11 | 4208372 Skateboarder
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protesters who cover their faces at demonstrations could be fined up to 30,000 euros

So a woman with a hijab protesting in Spain should show up with a 30K EUR check? She probably can't afford it... so should she take a loan to protest? That would make the ECB happy, right?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:14 | 4208383 fonzannoon
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does this bag over my head count?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:19 | 4208391 CrashisOptimistic
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This law says :

 

Thou shalt not shield thyself from tear gas with a gas mask.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:56 | 4208496 AlaricBalth
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Don't forget our own anti protest law, HR 347. A "restricted building or grounds" can mean anything the government says it is.

--H.R.347--

H.R.347

One Hundred Twelfth Congress

of the

United States of America

AT THE SECOND SESSION
Begun and held at the City of Washington on Tuesday,

the third day of January, two thousand and twelve

An Act

To correct and simplify the drafting of section 1752 (relating to restricted buildings or grounds) of title 18, United States Code.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011'.
SEC. 2. RESTRICTED BUILDING OR GROUNDS.
Section 1752 of title 18, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:
-`Sec. 1752. Restricted building or grounds

`(a) Whoever--
`(1) knowingly enters or remains in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority to do so;
`(2) knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions, engages in disorderly or disruptive conduct in, or within such proximity to, any restricted building or grounds when, or so that, such conduct, in fact, impedes or disrupts the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions;
`(3) knowingly, and with the intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions, obstructs or impedes ingress or egress to or from any restricted building or grounds; or
`(4) knowingly engages in any act of physical violence against any person or property in any restricted building or grounds;
or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).
`(b) The punishment for a violation of subsection (a) is--
`(1) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 10 years, or both, if--
`(A) the person, during and in relation to the offense, uses or carries a deadly or dangerous weapon or firearm; or
`(B) the offense results in significant bodily injury as defined by section 2118(e)(3); and
`(2) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than one year, or both, in any other case.
`(c) In this section--
`(1) the term `restricted buildings or grounds' means any posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area--
`(A) of the White House or its grounds, or the Vice President's official residence or its grounds;
`(B) of a building or grounds where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting; or
`(C) of a building or grounds so restricted in conjunction with an event designated as a special event of national significance; and
`(2) the term `other person protected by the Secret Service' means any person whom the United States Secret Service is authorized to protect under section 3056 of this title or by Presidential memorandum, when such person has not declined such protection.'.
Speaker of the House of Representatives.

Vice President of the United States and

President of the Senate.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:04 | 4208530 FredFlintstone
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Cliffs Notes please! 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:15 | 4208581 markmotive
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By the time a protest can be defined as 'criminal', it has already reached revolutionary proportions.

Just look what is happening in Ukraine.

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2013/12/apocalyptic-clashes-between-ukrain...

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 01:28 | 4209121 Anusocracy
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So the CIA better start ginning up some protests in Spain and Japan.

Oh, wait, they're already under our control. That means that everything they do is pure goodness.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:56 | 4208739 AlaricBalth
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Fred - I momentarily contemplated just posting a link, due to the familiarity with this law that most ZH'ers have through the alt media, including ZH.
However, reading it in toto gives us a complete comprehension of its sinister ambiguity. For me to editorialize this legislation would be redundant. It has been covered by more able writers than myself. To read it without commentary is enough to evoke an emotional response from any critical thinking individual.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 08:25 | 4209506 kralizec
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This is rich - "(2) knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions, engages in disorderly or disruptive conduct in, or within such proximity to, any restricted building or grounds when, or so that, such conduct, in fact, impedes or disrupts the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions"

Well screw me sideways!  Isn't that what dissent and protest is all about?  I mean if they want peaceful revolution instead of violent revolution...right?

I guess all exits are being blocked, making violence the only recourse.

And we are on the eve of the last recourse!

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:08 | 4208547 illyia
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Just have to note that everyone saw this coming... which made it all okay, naturally.

They hate us for our freedoms... etc.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:42 | 4208685 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Biden and Reid are child molesters.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 01:27 | 4209117 Boris Alatovkrap
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Funny sad irony when old sycophant fart is manifest senile mind of child.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 08:26 | 4209508 kralizec
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If like you're child molesters...

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 07:55 | 4209473 Hobbleknee
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Please return to your free-speech zone.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 08:32 | 4209515 kralizec
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The only free speech allowed is the free speech the progressive statists allow, same for protest...only they can astroturf events and provide all the potted plants to parade before state media organs.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:25 | 4208409 remain calm
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Governments turning on their people. Where in the fuck do they get off thinking that a few hundred can stop millions. Jackass's, time to perish.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 07:56 | 4209475 Hobbleknee
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Look around you.  They're doing it, and nobody is fighting back.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:08 | 4208368 NOZZLE
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Sacre Bleu, how eeze that consistent with their constant blathering about human rights in the EU?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:47 | 4208469 Oldwood
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To protest is to obviously detach yourself from the human race. You are sub-human and a threat to all real humans everywhere.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:12 | 4208369 Overfed
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Mike Krieger should know that democracy and liberty are two very different things. At least we have free speech zones here in the USSA.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:17 | 4208385 Not Goldman Sachs
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free defined as.....

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:30 | 4208425 nmewn
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Not being francis sawyer, apparently ;-)

(Forgive me Tyler, it was too easy)

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:45 | 4208467 Exponere Mendaces
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Don't worry, mr. "joo" everything is free as a bird. He just can't spread his particular type of excrement here anymore.

What... you miss the manhugs?

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:15 | 4208583 nmewn
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No, I miss freedom.

Maybe you didn't realize this but francis and I disagreed on just about everything even though I respected his right to post. But its not MY site.

So, lets hug it up in a closet now...just you and me ;-)

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 08:28 | 4209512 kralizec
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Not always in agreement with Francis either, but I loath tone-police on principle!

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:10 | 4208562 illyia
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I knew I missed something...

Always miss the good wars.

Oh, there are no good wars?

I knew I missed something...

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:19 | 4208591 nmewn
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Yeah, I missed it too...heard about it though...now he's gone.

If PC takes over ZH I'll be gone too.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:45 | 4208694 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Free Francis Sawyer.

 

Without racism how can we defeat racism?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:47 | 4208477 Oldwood
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To do what ever pleases you as long as the "state" or anyone else takes no offense in it. Now run out and be "free".

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:13 | 4208376 buzzsaw99
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because people rich enough to pay the fine often protest in the streets?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:31 | 4208429 Stuntgirl
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If you can't pay what happens is that your paycheck gets seized directly without your having access to it.

As a(n employed) protester, I wouldn't be so worried about my assets taking a hit, as about starving my family.

Not mentioned in the article is that filming police activity is also criminalized, passive resistance (sitting on the ground) is fined at 3.000€ and can be counted as obstruction to justice, and verbally criticizing a police officer's actions (when, say, arresting or beating someone else) is to be regarded as assault. If you show your ID to an officer but refuse to hand it over and have it taken from you, obstruction, and not having it on you, obstruction. If you start to protest and someone in your vicinity misbehaves, you are liable.

I played these scenarios over my head as I reviewed the salient points of the law with my colleagues at the cafe.

Turns out, say I am employed and provide for my family.

I see a(n unidentified) cop charging (and they do) on persons sitting on the ground peacefully.

If I take a picture, I'll take a beating and my paycheck seized.

If I say "dudes, chill, this is not right", same thing.

Neat, huh.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:39 | 4208450 29.5 hours
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"Not mentioned in the article is that filming police activity is also criminalized, passive resistance (sitting on the ground) is fined at 3.000€ and can be counted as obstruction to justice..."

Thanks for the reminder. Yes, all true. Criminalizing taking photos or video of police in operation is rapidly spreading at the municipal, county and state levels in the U.S.

 

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:16 | 4208580 illyia
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Okay, this prediction is coming true. The Bail-In prediction can't be far behind. Gold being forced into whose hands? BitCoin being siezed by the gubment and twisted to evil card-related purposes...

What's next, sages? The PTB have prepared for What?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:50 | 4208716 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Have you considered blowing their heads off with a shotgun?

 

Not my first choice but still a choice.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 00:19 | 4209006 Ranger4564
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Sad part in all of this is that most people don't need to know anything about these rule changes. They aren't / weren't doing anything about anything anyhow. They are waiting for their messiah, the second cumming, the savior, to save their ass.Fuck 'em.

Time for protest is over. It happened. Passe. Time for oppression continues unabated however. Maybe time to change sides? Nope, it's fresh time for an Uprising.

Fuck protest, fuck the government, fuck the legislature, fuck the police. Fuck 'em and their laws. But just Fuck 'em good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzDIiLd-sUA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlEs9udOquE

Maybe all we need is some flashing lights, and we could induce photosensitive epilepsy.  Just thinking out of the box. My favorite is a water cannon. Just drown their fucking technology. If only we could develop a hand help EMP. Maybe an acoustic cannon that's just bashing out high frequency signals. Or better yet, technology that reflects their technologies. Acoustic / Microwave mirrors, noise cancelling arrays. Oh fuck it, pitch forks and a mosh pit.  Everyone, fart in their direction. Quick, throw the match. O.O

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmin5WkOuPw&list=RDhlEs9udOquE

I'm ready when everyone else is. Till then, snooze fest.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 00:26 | 4209025 Ranger4564
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In other news, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykrZXc4TjFw .

 

Not sure about the validity of the information, but it's interesting.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:14 | 4208378 Not Goldman Sachs
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Patriot Act part 3...monitored by Drones. Snuff or be snuffed.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:17 | 4208585 illyia
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Wow that was fast. You answered the question an hour before I asked it!

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:16 | 4208384 trichotil
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more highly effective citizen security lmao:

http://www.wired.com/design/2013/12/terminal-cornucopia/

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:22 | 4208401 WOAR
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Speaking of citizen security...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y81fJ_O_qy0

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:17 | 4208386 toady
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That could fill the coffers. Or turn protests into armed combat.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:16 | 4208387 Jumbotron
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It's getting about time to sharpen up the aiming skills.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:42 | 4208459 max2205
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But everybody says everything is back to normal...oh wait

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:20 | 4208394 yogibear
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Next step is to throw dissidents into slave labor camps to produce items for the banksters or execute them.

You can expect this in the US at some point.

Fertile ground for a despot in the US.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:20 | 4208400 pupdog1
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"This law is a perfect example of the increasing neo-feudalism ..."

No, this law is a perfect example of rising neo-fascism.

It is also a perfect example of offcialdom being scared shitless.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:22 | 4208406 Bastiat
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Big iron doors rolling shut all over the world.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:31 | 4208427 29.5 hours
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"This law is a perfect example of the increasing neo-feudalism ..."

"No, this law is a perfect example of rising neo-fascism."

Not neo-feudalism. It's just the general trend of ordinary crony capitalism. In fact, as we have seen recently in Greece and Germany, these repressive laws will be used first against the ultra-right and fascists in hopes of gaining a cover of popular support.

 

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:24 | 4208407 Colonel Klink
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Just like so many times before, citizens will have to take back their freedom by the working end of the gun.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:26 | 4208413 nmewn
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"This law is a perfect example of the increasing neo-feudalism being implemented across the globe by a corrupt, decadent and depraved status quo."

What does the "good king" Juan Carlos have to say about this? ;-)

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:44 | 4208461 max2205
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Time for a 4th hip replacement

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:07 | 4208549 yrbmegr
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"Neo" feudalism, lol.  As if capitalism is really different from feudalism in any meaningful way.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 08:04 | 4209483 Hobbleknee
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Define capitalism.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:28 | 4208416 TheAntiGov
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Citizens’ Security Law, which allows for fines of up to 600,000 euros ($816,000) for “unauthorized” street protests. Make the fine $1 trillion, that will solve their debt problem.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:51 | 4208442 sixsigma cygnus...
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It's a scary thing to think about, but under the accrual method of accounting, that actually works! (on paper of course)

 

Politicians have the same M.O. around the world.  Divide and conquer, then immediately raise the taxes on tar, feathers, torches and pitchforks.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:30 | 4208422 PrDtR
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These are tricks the Communists use.. see the following movie "Agenda: Grinding America Down" 

 

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDo8xAQGrI8  

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:37 | 4208439 TrustWho
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Thank-you liberals for Big Government. When babies misbehave, babies are punished.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:44 | 4208462 FredFlintstone
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Don't TPTB here in the states call Tea Party members terrorists? I think we are where Japan is perhaps based on the article.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:51 | 4208485 Oldwood
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We are all terrorists now. We must buck up, I just hope they don't make me read the koran in prison.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:00 | 4208517 FredFlintstone
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Yes, especially the "patriots".

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:50 | 4208484 Sir Arthur Stre...
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They have taken down all the statues of Franco but they will not have forgotten what he was;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falangism

In 1937 thousands of Americans flew out there as private volunteers;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_Brigade

Where is Hemmingway now?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:06 | 4208543 QQQBall
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Now they will say - We did not outlaw protests. 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:13 | 4208575 Sir Arthur Stre...
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Major Strasser: "My dear, perhaps you have already observed that in Casablanca human life is cheap..."

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 21:58 | 4208507 dufferin
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'War on freedom..." would be more appropriate.

Democracy is actually collectivism. Legally. Deal with it.

Democracy has nothing to do with freedom.

Democracy is where you consent to your own slavery. You give out to your representants... all tehy do is in your name.

Think about it.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:04 | 4208535 yrbmegr
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There will never be no government.  It is the oldest human institution.  Government has always been, and will always be with us.  You, yourself, will always be subject to a government, your entire life.  Always.  You cannot escape it.  In fact, your residue will be subject to a government essentially forever after you are gone.  Government is an immutable fact of life.  It is not certain that you will die tomorrow, but it is 1000% certain that you will be subject to government tomorrow.

So, the only sensible question is what KIND of government we should have.  That is the only conversation worth having.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:35 | 4208648 W74
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Ahhh, but I will argue that governments have "reach".  Power extends only so far as it can be enforced.  A Baron's power only extends as far as his knights can ride in a day.  A Duke's power only extends so long as he has control over/support from the Barons.  A King's power held only so long as the Dukes had an interest in that man being king.

Obviously I have simplified things, but you get the point.  Priests were involved, there were many layers of aristocracy, everyone involved had human motivations and intentions, and then there are ethnicities and merchant interests and so forth to contend with.  A government's power extends only so far as their swords can reach.  Tax collectors came to the villages backed by a contingent of armed thugs...er, excuse me, Soldiers because if they didn't they would be killed or at least beaten or tared and feathered.  Legalized thievery only works under threat of force.  Implied threat is not good enough.

William of Normandy claimed dominion over England long before he landed on the shores near Hastings, but until he did land and fought off Harald as well as the Danish/Norwegian vikings could he have a government, and power, and that power only reached as far as the Norman's swords could reach.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:35 | 4208652 akak
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There will never be no slavery.  It is the oldest human institution.  Slavery has always been, and will always be with us.

There will never be a separation of church and state.  It is the oldest human institution.  The union of church and state has always been, and will always be with us.

There will never be no kings.  It is the oldest human institution.  Kingship has always been, and will always be with us.

There will never be any practical land transportation but horses.  It is the oldest form of human transportation. Horse transportation has always been, and will always be with us.

There will never be equality for women.  the subjugation of women is the oldest human institution.  The servility of women has always been, and will always be with us.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 23:17 | 4208816 Escapedgoat
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" Democracy is where you consent to your own slavery. You give out to your representants... all tehy do is in your name."

 

Democracy is two words Demos + Cratos (People + State) . Therefore WE the People ARE  THE STATE. 

Now IF you go and AUTHORISE  somebody ELSE (How many of us know those cunts, Politicians?), to do the Job FOR YOU. Guess what is going to happen??

You give him an open ended POWER OF ATTORNEY, on everything you own.

You subcontact to the politicians, you subcontract to the PAID Army, you subcontract Wars, you subcontract this you subcontract that and then you tell tell us you have Democracy????

Democracy is, you do the job yourself, you decide to go to war or not, you decide to do this or that and YOU DO IT or NOT. Not somebody else.

A brief history of the Athenian Democracy comes in handy. I will not go into others, e.g. Achaiki Alliance etc. etc..

And then you go and misunderstand the meaning of Democracy, A Greek word. And then you insinuate it is the Greeks' fault.

If you subcontract your will, you deserve everything coming your way.

Sorry I couldn't resist.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 05:09 | 4209368 StychoKiller
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The USA has a Republican form of Govt., NOT a democracy.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:00 | 4208511 yrbmegr
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Meanwhile, in the United States, voting gets a little harder each day, and proposals are circulating to remove the popular vote for senators.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:05 | 4208542 flacorps
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The popular vote for senators was part of a package that boosted the federal powers over the states. It actually weakened the individual's voice overall.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:24 | 4208602 W74
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Yeah, try explaining that to college students or to clueless professors.  "But it takes away free choice!" they say.  Oh ho ho my friends, you are all the more fucked for it.  Your free choice comes into play all the more when you pay more attention to electing who elects the senators at the national level.

Plus in the old system Senators had to be more moderate otherwise their state legislatures wouldn't even consider them.  You had a lot more debate, and Senators would not be as beholden to the whims of ever shifting political whims (hence the 6 years instead of 2 as well; but that is secondary), one time events or buzzwords.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:14 | 4208574 MarcusLCrassus
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And by "Citizen's Security Law" they mean "Crooked Government Official's Security Law". 

 

Its pretty obvious: fascism is coming back. 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:58 | 4208748 JohnG
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Facism was here all along.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:20 | 4208595 W74
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There's that "Terrorism" word thrown around again.  It has about as much meaning these days as the word "Rape" does; which is to say pretty much none now that both goalposts have moved to the 40 yard lines.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:25 | 4208624 TNTARG
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The big brother is getting bigger and bigger.

Until it blows to pieces. Then the whole thing starts over...

I used to have some hope on mankind's evolution, but now we're running short of time considering the whole Fukushima shit.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:30 | 4208641 Millivanilli
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Fuck those shitheads.  It is on like donkey kong!

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 22:59 | 4208755 michael_engineer
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United we stand, divided we fall..... we fall... we fall....

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 23:16 | 4208814 Trampy
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Mon, 12/02/2013 - 23:26 | 4208860 Cannon Fodder
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I really am amazed.... protests around the world... Ukraine, The Arab Spring, Spain, etc etc... and in the US... crickets chirping... are we in the US really that brain dead??? (yeah I know I shouldn't have to ask).... but what will it take to get people in this country to wake up and protest??? Why is it everyone else seems to be willing to but us?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 23:26 | 4208861 Cannon Fodder
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I really am amazed.... protests around the world... Ukraine, The Arab Spring, Spain, etc etc... and in the US... crickets chirping... are we in the US really that brain dead??? (yeah I know I shouldn't have to ask).... but what will it take to get people in this country to wake up and protest??? Why is it everyone else seems to be willing to but us?

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 07:06 | 4209439 Not Goldman Sachs
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Because as bad as it is in the USSA it is really still pretty darned good, Obviously for the .1%, but even for the rest - Obamerphones and all. "Occupy" couldn't even keep the momentum. And if they ever do...snuffed by Drones!

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 23:27 | 4208864 are we there yet
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Spain and Japan have gun controll laws.

If you criminalize being desperately discontent with bad governance, the public will have antipathy for all governance, and will have sympathy and support for violance toward perceived opressors.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 23:38 | 4208899 laomei
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Looks like Fascism is alive and well.  Let's be honest, it never left, it's just spreading out from the US where it's been hanging out all those years.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 00:01 | 4208949 Radical Marijuana
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... so try to put out every forest fire, until the conditions accumulate for some forest fire that can no longer be controlled ???

It seems to me that the arguments about systemic risks aggregating in the financial systems by preventing little disasters eventually causing much greater disasters also apply in politics more generally. The suppression of dissent drives the basic reasons for dissent to be aggravated, while then the more that the dissent is suppressed, the more potential energy is pumped into the reasons for that dissent.

While I think that government must necessarily exist, because each individual human being has the potential to be dishonest and violent, and so, governments necessarily are driven to evolve as the most dishonest and violent groups, that are thereby able to assert their sovereignty, as an alleged monopoly over legalizing lies, and legalizing the violence to back up those lies, the problem is that those who were the best at doing that for a while do not always stay the best. Rather, the paradox is the final failure from too much success at the efforts to monopolize the power to legalize lies, and the enforcement of those lies. What is driving all of this is the basic triumph of the established money/murder systems, creating the runaway debt slavery, generating numbers which are debt insanity, which have destroyed the future, due to their excessive success, since, meanwhile, the feedbacks in the funding of political processes, then enabling more legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, make "democracy" become a cruel joke. Instead, the fake democracy is a false front for the runaway fascist plutocracy juggernaut, which is turning more and more people into its road kill.

These laws are supposed to be protecting democracy, but since the democracy is already practically dead, since the power to make money out of nothing has already been more than 99% privatized, and there is generally a runaway privatization of the powers of governments, bound tighter and tighter by international treaties, etc., there is not much "democracy" left. Therefore, these laws are about attempting to suppress dissent, because dissent no longer can accomplish anything constructive.

Overall, the pattern is for the triumph of force backed frauds, or legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, to become more and more excessive and unbalanced, because they are already past the point where there is enough balancing potential left within the established systems to be able to re-balance themselves. Therefore, what one expects is that these things will get exponentially worse, until they result in democidal martial law, which will be matched on the international scale by more genocidal wars.

The almost total triumph and dominance of the best professional liars' and immaculate hypocrites' abilities to control civilization through huge lies, backed up by lots of violence, inevitably becomes mad self-destruction. However, there continues to not be any reasonable chance for things to change in any other better ways, since the already accomplished levels of deceits, backed by destruction, are so extreme, literally more than 99% accomplished, so that a fraction of 1% of the population is empowered to destroy the lives of the rest of the people, while there is nothing else but false hope, through fake democracy, that is supposed to limit that, but actually only rubber stamps it. Therefore, from the runaway triumph of the financial frauds, to the runaway triumph of the wars based on deceits, everywhere one looks the same patterns manifest themselves. There are no possible ways that effective democracy can return. There are plenty of ways that democidal martial law could manifest. However, that democidal martial law will not fix the basic problems, but only add to the degree to which they are driven even further out of balance than before! As with an individual, who gets sick enough, there no longer is any way to avoid dying, Neolithic Civilizations all over the world have become so terminally sick and insane that there apparently are no longer any ways for them to recover. The degree to which laws suppress dissent against the runaway systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, necessarily drives the basic underlying unbalanced systems to become much more unbalanced.

The degree to which such emergency or extraordinary measures, both in the financial realm and the political realm, temporarily work is also the degree to which they are creating conditions which are even worse, and which will finally cause disasters beyond any ability to contain anymore. Those kinds of out of control disasters are now potentially greater than anything before in human history ... I suppose, from a sadly abstract level, the only actual solutions to the real problems are for them to become so bad that they are fatal for the systems in which they are manifesting, because those systems are now already so extremely unbalanced, and getting more so, that there are no longer any realistic ways to imagine how anything within their normal homeostasis is left that could save themselves.

Neolithic Civilizations, from Spain to Japan, and everywhere else on the planet, are the result of systems of lies, backed by violence, being amplified to levels of psychotic insanities, where there are no longer any reasonable ways that checks and balances, such as through democratic processes, can save themselves from the consequences of controlling everything more and more with legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, which only increasingly suffers from the problem that the violence can never make the lies become true, but only make that society as a whole become more psychotically insane.

Of course, it makes perverse sense that we reach the points where protesting how psychotically insane the government has become is responded to in psychotically insane ways by that government. ... I wish that I could see something else than this being similar to putting out every forest fire, in ways that allow conditions to accumulate for a final forest fire to get started that has the potential to become so big that nobody will be able to stop that fire storm, after it finally is able to grow to the point of being out of control. However, since our governments have become almost totally dominated by the best professional liars, and immaculate hypocrites, I can not believe in anything else being possible anymore. Not only ARE governments the biggest organized crime gangs, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, but also the fake opposition to them denies those social facts just as much as the government, and those controlling the government do.

Since our real social systems are based on the maximum possible deceits and frauds, and that achievement has resulted in there being nothing left in the public space but the controlled specious opposition, spouting the same kinds of bullshit that the ruling classes do, there is almost nothing anywhere which can provide genuinely better concepts of how to make and maintain human evolutionary ecologies. Since our real human ecology is controlled by murder systems which operate through the maximum possible deceits, while our political economy operates through the maximum possible frauds, so much so that more radical truth about the need for some real systems of death controls and debt controls is practically banished from public debates, by the almost total triumph of the established systems being run by the best professional liars and hypocrites, who are only publicly opposed by controlled opposition, that spouts the same basic bullshit about death and debt controls, while the actually established money/murder systems automatically become more and more unbalanced and psychotic everyday, there can not be any genuine dissent or real opposition allowed to operate through those established systems of runaway fascist plutocracy, opposed by fake democracy. Therefore, only insane dissent is left to protest against an insane system, which will probably not result in anything but even more runaway psychotic social insanities, as the final price to be paid for the excessive triumph of the established systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, being mostly able to suppress more radical truth about those social facts, too much, for too long.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 08:35 | 4209523 autonomos
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Hi. I read many of your posts and agree with you. Such lucid ideas bring the following questions: what to do? What to be? I'm choosing to become more and more autonomous, which means preserving my thinking (not in a consumer way) and getting as independant as possible. It also means purifying that "me" of insanity, if that "me" ever existed... I like hearing from you and Honestann. It's fun that you engage in politics (whereas Honestann is more hermit-like).

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 17:11 | 4211460 Radical Marijuana
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Thanks, autonomous. These days, I often wonder whether I should have made the decisions decades ago to become more like honestann? However, I made my series of decisions to do what I did, and now that I have made that bed, I have to lay in it.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 03:22 | 4209255 22winmag
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Please note that 2013 was an *all time record* for gun and ammo sales in the U.S.

 

In other countries, they're stuck with rocks and sticks.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 03:52 | 4209298 Brit_Abroad
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Please try not to be too simplistic.

That is simply not true.

In Germany there are many millions of legal firearms in the hands of civilians and many, many more millions of illegal firearms.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 04:18 | 4209330 Joe A
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After the US, Serbia has the highest posession of guns in private hands whether legal or illegal. 53 per 100 people where the US has around 80 per 100 people. Despite the image portrayed by the West, Serbs don't kill eachother or others in the huge numbers that the Americans are doing.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 03:50 | 4209297 Joe A
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If they could the Partido Popular would resurrect Franco

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 05:05 | 4209365 Notarocketscientist
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Do they think someone who has no job and no hope GIVES A FLYING FUCK ABOUT A FINE?

Make the fine 10 billion - how about 100 billion.  

 

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 08:50 | 4209529 Martel
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Putting soldiers & tanks on the streets would be too obvious, hence laws like these.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 09:05 | 4209549 BeansMcGreens
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"Putting soldiers & tanks on the streets would be too obvious, hence laws like these."

lucifer has always been subtil.  This is now world-wide. Remember Miriam Carey just a few weeks ago?  Ever hear the name of who actually shot her dead in front of her child?

 And you shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you free. John 8:32

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 11:14 | 4209974 PTR
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Brace yourselves.

 

 

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