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As Long As The Market Keeps Rising "This" Doesn't Matter

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As we noted here, October 2013 NYSE margin debt stood at a new record high of $412.5b (up from $401.2b in September) and exceeded the prior high from April of $384.4b and net investor worth dropped to a record low. However, as BofAML notes, NYSE margin debt and the S&P 500 have +0.76 correlation using a 48-month (4-year) correlation as of October 2013. This is the highest correlation in our data history back to 1964. A positive correlation means that margin debt and the S&P 500 tend to move together; which as they helpfully note means - as long as the market rises, margin debt is not a risk. Better keep BTFATHing, it's the patriotic thing to do.

 

 

Chart: BofAML

 

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Tue, 12/03/2013 - 19:38 | 4211949 666
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It's far more riskier to cross the street than to buy stocks right now. BTFATH!

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 19:51 | 4211999 rguptatx
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BTFATH is - ummmm - missing something.

Instead it should be BTFAITH: Buy The Fucking Interim All-Time High - plus it has the word FAITH in it now - copyrite! A little poetic licence is allowed in creative endeavors - hehehe!

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 20:16 | 4212081 Legolas
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As stated, your acronym isn't working correctly.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 03:24 | 4212969 Rock On Roger
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s/He's fucked up.

 

Stack on

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 03:36 | 4212980 Zero Point
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How bout:

Buy This Fucking Action Into The Heavens.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 01:55 | 4212881 AGuy
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Its a little bit early for christmas songs, but I think this one is appropriate:

 

 

You better not sell
Better not short!
I'm telling you why
Janet Yellen is coming to town

She making a QE list 
And doubling it twice,
Gonna find out Who's got junk bonds to buy!
Janet Yellen is coming to town

She Knows when the market nearing a correction
She knows when you're getting ready to short
She knows if you've in deep in debt
So buy for good for goodness sake!
O! You better watch out!
You better not sell
Better not short
I'm telling you why
Janet Yellen is coming to town
Janet Yellen is coming to town

 
Now if I don't get double digit arrows up with this one. You people are a bunch of scrooges :)

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:03 | 4213414 RafterManFMJ
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You may repeat, but, unlike history, you do not rhyme.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 19:39 | 4211954 frankTHE COIN
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Of course. It's like your temperature. If 104 is hot, then 107 is smoking good.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 19:46 | 4211975 Zero Point
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The man on the TV said everything was looking good.

I can't see any reason he'd lie to me.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 19:46 | 4211981 SKY85hawk
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I get it, 5 months of QE is worse than 215 TRILLION in undocumented non-collateralized derivatives exposeure.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 19:50 | 4211996 NoDebt
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I'm surprised the correlation is that low.  I would have thought up around .90 by now.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 19:55 | 4212006 Tegrat
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Get long and keep 1/3 cash or equity for TZA for when the market tanks. Why is this so hard? I

 

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 20:46 | 4212165 LawsofPhysics
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Indeed.  TZA and FAZ,  here have some crack while you're at it...

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 19:56 | 4212009 disabledvet
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cue "American Psycho...the mini series." I think Arnold Schwarenegger (sp?) said it best when as Terminator Arnold he said "I need a vacation." I mean seriously...how many betazoids does I take before you wind up thinking you're the one with the problem? "stop the ride I want to get off."

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 20:01 | 4212021 tarsubil
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Are we there yet?

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 20:01 | 4212022 spinone
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NYSE Margin Debt is reported by NYSE Members.  Want to see who is trading on margin?

https://usequities.nyx.com/membership/nyse-and-nyse-mkt-equities/directory/all

Think these masters of the universe are going to be caught out?  If you are trading on margin, and you don't know who the sucker is, then you're the sucker.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 20:02 | 4212026 bonin006
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" as long as the market rises, margin debt is not a risk"

And if you jump out of an airplane without a parachute, as long as you fall, sudden violent deceleration is not a risk.

 


Tue, 12/03/2013 - 20:16 | 4212074 SunRise
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or is it "until a violent deceleration occurs" there is no risk.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 20:49 | 4212180 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Just enjoy the fall.

For the semantics, we have lawyers.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 20:59 | 4212210 bonin006
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SunRise,

Your statement is less deceitful. You will not be successful as a financial advisor.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 20:10 | 4212053 css1971
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Oh man this doesn't end well.

I'm off to dump my remaining holdings...

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 20:21 | 4212098 10mm
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Cheer up, it get's worse.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 20:37 | 4212137 starman
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Yah I remember that slogan not so long ago, my wife's uncle 300k margin account came do, I think he shit himself first

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 20:47 | 4212173 Herdee
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Never underestimate the staying power of the biggest money printer in the world.Look at the staying power of Japan.We're just getting warmed up a little in America,come on.They can't taper,and if they do it will be so minor that when any drop occurs,they'll step in even bigger.My guess is that a new joint program of some unknown type will come into the picture joining onto the QE program.It's QE infinity until we get inflation going big.Their theory is that they have a lot of experience with inflation and can control it better.So they say.Until we see it though,it's print,print,print.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 00:17 | 4212728 Checkmate
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The American way, it doesn't matter until it matters then blame someone else!

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 06:36 | 4213116 orangegeek
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leverage up

 

deleverage down

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