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Millennials Abandon President; 57% Disapprove Of Obamacare "Unlikely To Enroll, Even If Eligible"
In the last election it was the Millennials (18-29 year olds) that brough President Obama home on his hope and change miracle tour; but now, just over a year later, a Harvard Institute of Politics poll finds that a stunning 57% of 18-29 year olds disapprove of Obamacare. As we noted before, this is a critical breakdown in making the Affordable Care Act 'affordable' but it seems less healthy customer are more likely to persevere through the techical obstacle to gain coverage than younger, healthier "customers" who feel less need for insurance (never mind the "easy" women and keg-standing men). The poll gets worse with 40% expecting the quality of their coverage to worsen, and as Bloomberg reports, even more troubling for the White House, almost half in that age group say they’re unlikely to enroll in insurance through a government exchange, even if eligible.
More than half of those 18 to 29 years old say they disapprove of Obamacare and half expect it will increase their health-care costs, a survey by Harvard University’s Institute of Politics shows. Four in 10 say they anticipate the quality of their coverage will get worse because of the law.
In a finding perhaps even more troubling for the White House, almost half in that age group, the so-called millennials, say they’re unlikely to enroll in insurance through a government exchange, even if eligible. That could put at risk the economics of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which needs young, healthy people to enroll in large numbers to offset the costs of caring for older, sicker Americans.
“There are very few aspects of the health-care initiative that they approve of,” John Della Volpe, the institute’s polling director, said today on a conference call. “They think quality will decrease, that prices will increase, so it’s not surprising that has taken a significant hit to the president’s approval rating.”
Support from young voters was crucial to Obama's two successful presidential campaigns.
Perhaps more troubling for Obama, the poll showed 40% of young Americans believe Obamacare will bring worse care, 51% believe it will bring higher costs and 57% said they disapprove of the president's signature law.
"Although Millennials have held firm in their approval of the president in past polls, we are now seeing a sea change among this critical demographic," said Trey Grayson, director of Harvard Institute of Politics.
But, apart from that, it's all going great!!?
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Insurers can't deny you for a preexisting condition, so why not wait until you are sick to pay for health insurance?
52% of 18-24 year olds would support REMOVING OBAMA FROM OFFICE TODAY??
I find that hard to believe. But encouraging, if true.
Maybe they're not so stupid after all.
Most Millennials are Ron Paul fans.
You're shitting me. Really?
If that's true, I might learn to like those clueless, selfish little pricks.
Yep, no one and I mean no one could have seen this coming.
You can't see it through the internet but I'm doing my "shocked face" right now.
We should be regulating Drs and drug companies and hospital services not health care....they got it all backwards
actually, hospital adminstrations should be regulated into non-existence... bring back the doctor owned clinics... the doctors should be deregulated and allowed to practice medicine once again....
time for the milenials to taste the force of the government they love so much. pawns
I've always been able to negotiate with individual doctors about prices...most of them are human and understanding in my experience...not all but most.
Hospitals....FORGET IT! Hospitals (and maybe some Mega Clincs) need to be more heavily reined in...their charges are outrageous.
A free market would reign them in.
If there was a free market, then they would utilize their power to corrupt it... it's not the free market we want, per se, rather we just need to loosely tie the prices of everything to wages... In other words, even a broke dick market would probably suffice. Unfortunately, that will never happen due to our monetary policy.
Me thinks the definition of free market escapes you, Macho Man.
Not at all... a free market does not necessarily lead to competition, which is actually the mechanism that improves prices. So a free market would not reign in prices necessarily (especially in a currency anyone actually has)...
I would prefer a neutral regulator who imposes competition upon market participants... which ends up being a broken regulator in short order, but I digress.
i'm trying to follow you on this one machoman. who is the 'they' that would abuse their power?and you say a free market would not nessesarily lead to competition. why not? i am always interested in this sort of thing. if you can clarify, please do.
Simple. Competition leads to reduced profits; perfect competition leads to normalized profits. Rational actors seek to avoid the reduction or normalization of profit. "They" refers to market participants. Thus, "they" care not for competition and seek to impose whatever methods possible to preserve profit, e.g. create barriers to entry, etc. As a result, a market regulator is required to force market participants into competing. The problem, always, is that the regulator becomes corrupt... absolute power and what not. I think the science of economics (which actually lags behind the philosophy of economics) tremendously underestimates the lengths rational actors will go to in order to create or maintain profits... all is fair.
Ask yourself why air drops of food into somalia go straight to the warlords and not the skinny folks holding their arms towards the sky... many people who use the term "free market" envision some type of equal playing field... which is necessary for it to work... as core competencies create power imbalances, which may be punitively exploited to the point of breaking the entire premise of the system, competition.
I'll catch plenty of down votes, but that doesn't make me wrong.
thanks for the explanation. i agree with you 100%
"actually, hospital adminstrations should be regulated into non-existence... bring back the doctor owned clinics... the doctors should be deregulated and allowed to practice medicine once again.... "
That would mean two things need to happen.
1)Serious, restrictive Tort reform. ghetto juries + razzamatazz attorneys extract unlimited pain & suffering awards.
That's gotta stop.
2) Assuming odumbocare gets repealed, health insurance needs to be interstate-competetive.
For an idea of what would happen to medical costs, check out what knee replacement or deviated septum surgery in a private, cash hospital in Inda would cost.
They still need the training, still need the technology & still gotta buy the parts.
Pretty amazing when the overhead & defensive overtreatment comes off the top.
1)Serious, restrictive Tort reform. ghetto juries + razzamatazz attorneys extract unlimited pain & suffering awards.
That's gotta stop.
Care to explain what you would like from tort "reform"? I'm guessing that whatever you want has already been implemented in your state. (you're probably 10+ years late to the tort reform party)
exellent tort reform would be so simple. just take canada's baby seal hunting laws verbatum. substitute the word 'lawyer' for the words 'baby seal'. presto, effective, inexpensive tort reform. put it to a referendum.
Do baby seals kill people from negligence?
no they don't. but if they did, we could prosecute them. as it is now, businesses, and doctors in particular, get fed into the insurance industry, and right behind that comes the partner in crime, the tort industry. why should i have to subsidise either one. prosecute the bad actors, remove them from the industry. if i operate ethically, i have nothing to fear.
I'll take a doctor that operates skillfully over a doctor that operates ethically all day...
Again, unless you're advocating for tort immunity (which, "I have nothing to fear" sounds strangely similar), then what else would you propose be done for tort reform? If you operate in a manner consistent with the local medical community, then you have no liability... Unless you purposely harm someone (incredibly difficult standard), then you probably don't have to worry about punitives. Even if punitive damages are awarded against you, then there is a hard limit to the size of the award for due process purposes... and, further, the trial judge has discretion to reduce any award he feels is excessive.
When the medical field faces the margin compression existing every where else in the economy, then somehow the world ends... welcome to the party folks.
"the doctors should be deregulated and allowed to practice medicine once again..."
The main problem is government granted medical monopolies. For instance, the ban against buying US made prescription drugs in Canada for a fraction of the US cost and the requirement to limit the number of things like MRI/CAT/PET machines in an area by having the current owner(s) of machines in that area vote on whether to allow YOU to bring another one in! Just two examples of many.
The Millenials will end Progressives as we know it. No matter how much the MSM will lie about their failed politics.
Most of the Millenials I know are apolitical. It could be because of our location, but most of them seem to care about college education and/or skilled work training programs, sex, their cars, sex, drugs, their apartments or other living arrangements, sex, surfing, sex, diving and underwater camera work, sea ecology, sex, fishing, swimming, and sex. The phrase "dude, whatever" is alive and well in coastal Maryland.
This is by no means a jab at Millenials. They're doing what they should be doing at their age. Exploring.
So, basically the same things that I was interested in at their age.
Sounds like my weekend plans.
The NSA can see it. They are not amused.
I can confirm it's true. It's one of his strongest demographics and I heard this directly from Ron himself when I spoke to him during the 2012 campaign. He said it was one of the major factors in making him run again after '08, since it gave him a lot of hope for the future.
Considering we millennials are having to pay for all the SS, Medicare, and other Ponzi scheme retirement plans that older generations are demanding they want, who's really the selfish generation?
Shut up, and feed us out strained, mashed peas!
You may not be the most selfish (It would be hard to take that title from the boomers) but you might be the most gullible....you should ask yourself what this little fuckup of electing/re-electing the marxist is going to cost your generation....and the next....and the next.....
As if it wouldn't have happened either way.
"If you want to keep your Ponzi, you can keep your Ponzi."
I can report that of my four Millenial nephews (all of whom live at various locations in middle America), two are Paul fans and the other two are either apolitical or in the closet about their views, as they've never mentioned them.
You better believe it, it's from Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaavad after all.
I think it was in Washington State that it was excitedly announced that 175,000 new healthcare plans were 'purchased', but 157,000 of those are new Medicaid enrollments. The rest are payers for new insurnace plans. That was not what we were told in terms of how Obamacare was to be funded.
Hope, Change and Sodomy.
This is only the beginning, just think what the numbers will look like when people realize what's actually in the ACA law.
Right now I think most of the people have only heard about 10% of the fine print, it's kind of like the Snowden disclosures, it keeps getting worse and worse... lol
Obamacare is crumbling so fast they can't even spin it will all the media outlets they own.
Yeah, I just hope the sane people who can actually do something about it are prepared for when the ObamaCare-mongers do their pivot to "ah, well, we tried to fix healthcare but our opponents wrecked it so I guess we'll just have to go to single-payer." When that happens--and it will--there needs to be an instantaneous all-out full-frontal full-throated roar of "HELL NO!"
That or, you know, we could just flip to the other channel and see what Honey Boo Boo is up to.
That day of reckoning is rapidly approaching. In another month, 0zer0care sticker shock will be replaced by 0zer0care wallet shock as millions will start forking over $100-200 per month more in premiums, PLUS double higher copays and deductibles. If the economy is just limping along now, wait till that reality hits. But the real disaster is yet to come because no one is signing up for 0zer0care, and especially not the invincible millenials. This means the risk pools for the insureres are being obliterated, and that means double digit premium increases for 2015. That will be revealed to businesses in the summer of 2014.
That's when businesses will have to decide to continue to absorb these double digit cost increases, or dump their health plans. Best guess is at least 50 million people will lose EMPLOYER coverage next year. By law, employer insurance is a benefit, so employees have to be WARNED at least 60 days in advance. For a 1/1/2015 change, that means cancellation notices have to go out in October 2014. The dumbcrats think there is a shitstorm now over 0zer0care and cancellations. Multiply that 10x because that is what is coming, and NO ONE CAN STOP IT! Even if 0zer0 extends the employer mandate again, he can't stop the COST INCREASES that the employers are going to get hit with. Employers are going to be forced to abandon the insurance market next year to control their costs, and it is going to be brutal for at least 50 million Americans, maybe as many as 100 million. All this talk about a website is nothing compared to the Cat 5 hurricane that is going to hit next fall.
Hope & Change was nothing but Hoax & Chains. Everyone sees it now. Even the millenials.
I just hope the Boomers and Seniors who voted for him take a dirt nap. Especially the old hippies who voted for him.
Take one final toke or a hit of acid and buy the farm - old hippie.
My kids are 28 and 27. They told me they aren't going to enroll and I fully agree with their decision. My wife and I aren't enrolling either. Screw 'em.
like lame fuck owebomba gives a fuck about the electorate
Truth is, He doesn't care what the Millenials think because he's about to legalize millions of new democrats that will ensure the regime continues.
he is going to legalize and arm thousands of them and tell them to kill YT.
That's one big bird pointed at Obama and gang
Calling the other 43%: get your heads outa yer asses.
I'm pretty sure Millenials thought healthcare would be provided by Government based upon taxes they were already paying - not by the corporatocracy and costing them a month's worth of pizza, booze, pot, and gas.
Millenials have zero knowledge about how money flows (debit, credit, and leveraged credit) work. ZERO.
I disagree. Some do. And many are thinking revolution.
Yeah, maybe 1%. Think about it, does the 1% versus 99% thing make more sense now...
Put down the controller millenials and think about it.
those 1% will lead the 99% watch out old people.....they will not foot the tab too much longer
These young punks better get back to work!
I want my Social Security, Medicare and Little Rascal scooter plus a bypass and hip operation. Also I want my 10 to 15% senior citizen discount.
I paid for it. I earned it. Little fuxxx.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8DEK8gGl4U
That's it?? What about a personal assistant to feed you and wipe your ass? I mean, come on Freddie, without the baby boomers' vote for more government all of these years we wouldn't even have any roads!
Or airports! Or bridges!
more than 1% i assure you. think about how they must feel when the exit the educational institutions to find that their jobs have been sold, their monies value-gone, and futures pretty much squandered.
As I tell my own son, how you "feel" is largely irrelevant, what you actually do will be what matters. It's called character.
e=mcSq. for every acion there is a reaction. its called physics ;P
time will tell old friend
Let's hope we don't have to wait too much longer.
It's folly to wish it to happen... it's not the kind of thing you should hope to have to do... and should only be pursued with incredible humility and reservation.
The revolution must first be in how we conduct ourselves. Without it, a revolution in how others conduct us will merely result in a different iteration, usually for the worse.
i agree. the human species is evolving or will perish. i see seeds of a new consciousness (i hope----and not O type hope)
The best revolution is to peacefully starve the monster.
Monsters don't starve peacefully. They have to be put down at great risk accompanied by much pain, sacrifice and suffering.
Guess no more. It IS what they thought.
Welcome to the party, kids!
From what I am reading Ebworthen that is exactly what they thought which is why so many initally supported Obamacare and why so many now are abandoning it.
One upside, perhaps this will help some low-information voters decide to become a a bit less clueless in the future.
Nice idea, as an informed populace would make better citizens and more accountable gov't. But...
I doubt it. The Rainbow Coalition types have been trained to vote their identities: ethnic, gender, sexual, etc. they don't want any more information than Hate the Straight White Patriarchy and get free stuff. On the flipside, the Moral Majority types vote their religious identity. The positioning of the parties is over the swing voters in the middle, who I assume are already seeking information to inform their choice. But of course, all Zero Hedgers know that both DNC and RNC are controlled by State Capitalists, so voting for national office is just a reality show.
I'd rather they bring back literacy tests and poll taxes. As in, "You must be at least this competent to ride this ride." And elect judges who understand the 10th Amendment.
Barring that, burn Washington DC to the ground, and get the Feds out of our shit for good. Happy August 24th!!
Chicken soup for the soul. This and the PM news and I feel a little better this morning :)
Gawd, did they ever step on their dicks bringing this one to the table. Just hard to believe the power they wield.
They're realizing it's near impossible to make long lasting income in this country anymore.
. . . and even less likely to keep it.
They know that getting insurance has nothing to do with obtaining health care,
The youts love their weed, vaping and dipping. Is it unreasonable for them to demand ObamaScare non-smoker rates ?
I think dope smokers need to pay up a LOT more for ObamaCare. Pot, Dope or Mary Jane contains the same carcinogens that cigarettes do.
Pot can cause psychosis and even death. It is a gateway drug.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eBPWwxOKwQ
I usually expect more out of you Freddie. I think it's just a little left-over brainwashing from the old TV days. It's o.k., it happens to the best of us. Seriously, do some deeper research into the matter. Check out some actual studies. Open your mind a bit.
Pot is a gateway drug/demotivator the same way guns kill people. Get me? It gives you a buzz, YOU choose where to take it from there. Think of the peaceful, happy drunk vs. the loud, violent one. Same kind of deal. We have to take responsibility for our own behavior; not blame it on everything but ourselves.
Freddie-
Go back to your old talking points which you spam everyone with daily. You are outclassed on this one.
And I'm tired of your avatar.
Hey, the rest of you millenials!!!
The Emperor has no clothes!!!!!
Ask not what your President can do for you, ask what you can do for your President.
Hey oBUMMER weasel fucker, did'nt you know that commies don't give, they TAKE?
WISEHINEY: I must object to you besmerching the good reputation of ... weasels.
I had to name ONE of the poor critters he's fucking.
wisehiney Wish it WAS ONLY ONE critter he was fucking..................I think I'm one of them . We are all just poor critters in todays Amerika. Enjoyed your post and poem you shared before thanksgiving. We are both history nuts.
Well they are the group that is going to get shafted the most. They are young, relatively healthy, and are going to be too poor to have kids. So the meat of the givers will be avoiding this scam like the plague.
The only ones wanting this are the net takers in the insurance pools. This thing is going to implode within two years, tops.
The only way they can pull this one out is to move them all to medicaid and give every tenth "taker" the night night shot instead of their mandatory flu shot each year.
I hope I didn't just give them any ideas, as you cannot put anything past them now.
pods
Over 80% of the people who voted for Obama in 2012 would still vote for him if the election were held today. These people obviously have a special talent for ignoring the truth...or they are still convinced there's only one way to get free stuff. I think the country is doomed because of this phenomenon.
I don't know about that. There are people on this board who voted for Obama twice and are none too proud of it. Anecdotally I know people who voted for him twice and are now ashamed to admit it or even discuss it. Perspectives do change.
My wife voted for the arrogant prick twice. I remember on 2012 election night, she was rubbing it in that he had won again. After our insurance premium went up, she's not laughing anymore. No mani/pedi for her and fewer visits to the salon. Tough shit. About time the lemmings woke up.
I hope you at least consulted a divorce lawyer.
Well, that about wraps it up for Obamacare... and its presidential proponent.
if you think this is bad, was till those student loans come to fruition! when a certain % of income is spent on food, you have riots in the streets! tick tock
I went to see a doctor for the first time in years for an ear infection. Consultation and prescription for antibiotics cost 50 pesos or about $4. This was about 45 minutes south of San Diego in Baja.
The doctor was well trained and took her time. There was no receptionist or long forms to fill out. It was refreshing to say the least.
Why health care is going through the roof in the USA for less that great customer service is beyond me.
People in the US are no longer considered patients, they are just numbers feeding into GDP and insurance companies along with lawyers and admistration staff.
RE: "Why health care is going through the roof in the USA for less that great customer service is beyond me." -- Ans: Lawyers
Untrue. And make no mistake, I'd call shooting 90% of American lawyers "a fine start" but lawyers and insurance are a rounding error in the total spent on health care.
Exactly... everyone wants to blame lawyers for this one... and lawyers are to blame for plenty of shit, but health care costs isn't one of em. The biggest contributor to increasing costs is the fact that people need medical help in a world of cost push inflation. Simple as that. During the good times, medical practitioners built up and increased capital and infrastructure costs with a perpetual expectancy of good times... once wages become limited and insurance companies push back, those medical professionals are impotent to reduce costs. If you want to reduce costs, whether it's academia, healthcare, or housing, you have to take away the punch bowl. Let prices recalibrate to wages.
PS, when people discuss it, they're not really talking about tort reform, they're talking about tort immunity... tort reform happened decades ago. Further, they're discussing it as if tort immunity hadn't been tried in the past...
Tort immunity? Hell, no. There are actual malpracticing docs in the world, and they should be nailed to the wall when possible. I think just loser-pays for malpractice torts would do it. Bring a frivolous lawsuit, you pay dearly if you lose.
And hell, YES, I blame lawyers for this one. No, the awards themselves aren't the problem and are indeed miniscule in the scheme of things. But when you have hundreds of thousands of doctors nationwide ordering up, say, 5 or 10 extra tests per day that they wouldn't otherwise JUST so they can be ready for a malpractice suit...and when each of those tests can cost between $100 and $5000...yeah, I'd say that adds up pretty damn fast and is NOT miniscule. The below link puts the estimate at between 26 and 34 percent of total medical outlays...I call that significant.
http://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/defensive-medicine-adds-billions-healthcare-costs
A) We already decided the issue of attorneys fees centuries ago... public policy dictates that it's better to suffer through frivolous suits than to discourage potential litigants who have valid claims (e.g. those who are too poor to risk it). This is one of the fundamental differences between us and the queen... Rule 11 fixes most everything else. [aside from the fact that, in the event a plaintiff loses, then the plaintiff's attorneys lose big from the time and money invested in the case, which should conceptually accomplish the same thing].
B) The issue with "unnecessary" medical procedures can be summed up very quickly by answering the following question: do medical professionals get paid for all the tests that they allege are solely for reduced liability due to overzealous lawyers? So... when you ask a doctor why he ran 6 unnecessary tests on you, is he going to tell you that the hospital demands him (unofficially) to do so? Or that his wife needs a new boob job? Or that he has to put jr. through an ivy league school? That he is committing insurance fraud? Or, is he going to blame it on lawyers or whoever else is convenient?
In this same line of reasoning, would the doctors malpractice insurance increase or decrease if they were to quit doing all of these "unnecessary" procedures? If the doctors refused to perform these "unnecessary" procedures, then would they still be covered under malpractice insurance?
Let's go at it from an even different angle... what types of med mal claims have teeth? Are they failure to diagnose cases or are they botched surgeries, minimum/minimal wage staff who let patients bleed out or choke to death, mixing up medications, performing a surgery on the wrong person or wrong body part, or rudimentary patient neglect (e.g. bed sores)? Which one is easier to prove from a plaintiff's perspective, a botched surgery where the doc cut an artery he wasn't supposed to and the patient died on the table... or that the doctor should have known the patient had X wrong with him if he would have undergone these 3 additional, expensive tests when the patient was displaying symptoms consistent with something else? In short, the alleged things that the medical professionals are attempting to limit are not the things they lose malpractice suits over...
No one wants to blame the people actually charging the money for the medical services... it's bizarre...
C) if you don't want tort immunity, then what more tort reform would you propose? We're pretty much already to the level where it's going to be compensatory only and the standard to win a malpractice suit is pretty damn high and the medical professional has a very good chance to win any suits brought to trial on the issue of liability (obviously, as the clear cut cases of liability tend to be admitted and sent to a jury on damages or confidentially settled). We already had tort reform.
Yes, those who haven't been party to liability bonanzas are politicians.
It's a sickness system, not a 'healthcare' system. Anyone who's ever been to a real doctor's clinic knows exactly how fucked up cookie-cutter hospitals are in comparison. The older ZH crowd surely all had real local doctors at some point.
Ours made house calls when I was a kid.
its not just healthcare, its everything. the system is trying to dip their hands into everything to generate money for a certain few. you have to be licensed, certified, accredited for everything under the sun.
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and this is how they decide who can do what. this impacts a free society to trade and exchange goods and services amongst themselves. we have been fooled into thinking all of these certifications will somehow make the quality improve. this is a lie. if it were truth, we would have the highest quality unemployed motherfuckers in the world!
> Why health care is going through the roof in the USA for less than great customer service is beyond me.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101242600/page/1
Wait til they get the tax bill for $695.00(or 2.5% of income which ever is higher) for not having health insurance in 2016. And starting in 2017, the minimum tax per person will rise each year with inflation. They'll all start hating Democrats and socialism when they have to write that yearly check.
You better hope that bitcoin can be taxed by then, because that's where all their "wealth" will be...
Just saying, as "laws" that cannot be enforced are not really laws at all and life (and markets) does evolve...
Drones get smarter and more militant over time also.
Drones flown and built by millennials? My high school son has built some bad ass quad copters.
That's really great to hear.
Any millennial can fly a damn drone if it's a finished good.
Fewer millennials can take a drone kit, assemble it, and throw on a provided software build on it.
Even fewer millennials can take a drone kit without software, assemble it, and write an embedded RTOS-based application, picking up some control theory to tune the PID loops and adjust the ADC tables and acceleration/deceleration profiles for the motors.
Even fewer millennials can design a drone prototype from scratch, and write all software to go on it.
My point is, most of us are in trouble hehe.
Funny, just started setting up drone2phone as a business. Instead of GPS the app will provide drone service to your cell phone instead of an address. Order, watch the flight in progress, get your goods. Need smokes 10 miles offshore? just login. ! Need hotdogs 10 miles from the entrance of a park just login. Unlimited opportunities.
I don't foresee unlimited electricity for these kinds of conveniences in the future.
I want a drone spider that will climb my house and put up my Christmas lights.
Agreed. It is a shame Fed Taxes are with-held. If Americans had to write a check for FICA and Income Tax every year this shit would have ended a long time ago.
I thought the "tax" was was only 1% in year one then 2% beyond and that the fines can only be levied against tax refunds, ie no bill. Please educate me if I'm wrong.
Regardless, this whole this is meant to fail to force us all onto one-payer system.
One Payer, hell, it's meant to put all of us under a soviet police state.
Voting age for non-property owners should be raised to 30. Why? Black Amerikans 13%, Jewish population 1.5%. Millineals made up vast majority of the other halfwits that voted for Zero. Now hit me with those down arrows....but you know it's true.
NIHILIST CIPHER: Maybe I missed something, but what did you intend with the statement "... Jewish population 1.5 pct", I believe that Jews represent approximately 10 pct of the US population and voted for the Big O with over 70 pct. Please expound.
Thank
JungleJim
JJ Where did you get your information, last time I looked jewish population was 1.5%. That was from last cencus. My point was that black Amerikans and jewish population ONLY ADD UP TO 14.5%. Those are Zero's BIGGEST FANS other than millineals.Controled MSM will back me up on the millenial thing.
Voting age for non-property owners should be raised to 30
As you well know, in the founders day, you HAD to be a property owner to vote.That's why we lasted this long.
DosZap Who says we lasted this long? Smoke and mirrors my good friend, smoke and mirrors.
Unsurprisingly a majority of the stupid fools still support him.
Thus, stupid fools. QED.
Health exchange windows open and close. Buying insurance after the fact can mean months of medical expenses. Subsidies are leaving insureds with tons of exposure none the less. Just helped an employee who makes 38k. Monthly premium of $170 with a $7000 MOOP per year with NO first dollar coverage. He and wife basically run risk of spending $10k per year if something goes wrong. That is 30%of take home pay and that is AFTER the $8,200 subsidy the government gave them. We are all fucked.
As the father of a 21 yr old son in college,
I was amazed when I first heard he and all his friends mocking Obama, severely! At first I thought it was over some one thing Obama said or something trival like that. Nope, they loath the man and seem to understand he is destroying America.
Thier feelings concerning police is also alarming.
The sad part is they all feel as though the furture is very dark which has greatly diminished thier motivation. These young people are not dumb.
My children have always known what Obama is, so I'm curious how your son felt before it became so evident he is a foolish communist. Did he and his friends know from the beginning or is this a new revelation?
I am hopeful young Americans have learned the folly of socialism so well, if we survive as a country, we never have to endure the same mistake again.
"Did he and his friends know from the beginning or is this a new revelation?"
At first my son was "ok" with Obama, pretty much felt he was a good guy. It has been since Obama has been in office that he and all his friends have learned about what the man is doing. They all know exactly what "printing money" means and they are aware of the obvious end result, which is one reason they feel helpless and unmotivated. They also are aware of the socialism that is sweeping the nation in leaps and bounds.
The NSA relevations from Snowden has only made them even more jaded and bitter. (but they applaud Snowden for doing it)
This whole thing bothers me cause when i was 21, my biggest worry was if I could "get" the girl next me in class or how can I make my 25 cent box of Kraft Macaroni and Cheeze taste better.
Just my view on the whole thing, and that is, it does not matter who is in the office of President any more. Both parties are self serving idiots, beholden to their big money "daddies". Obama will do what his money people tell him to do, just like Bush's did, and Clinton's and Bush's before them. Ron Reagan was purely puppet and had no ideas of his own, but was very effective in the biggest acting job he ever held. I call him "Saint Ronnie the Wrong."
Neither party deserves support from any of us; I still favor the Libertarian Party overall, except for the strange facination they have with Ayn Rand. They seem to believe those novels are some sort of texts, close to Biblical.
And as a parting shot at my least favorite bunch, the gold bugs are totally nuts, conflating use with value. Gold was originally used as money because it was easy to strike coins with it, it had no other real use except for decoration, and there was a somewhat limited supply. It has no real value since value is always realtive to the cost of human labor. Cheapen labor and you cheapen money. The less the 2% pay their workers, the less their money is worth! Traditionally gold was worth one week of human labor, ableit on about a 50-60 hour week. To find out how much gold is really worth, figure the average worker and you see it is about $450/Troy Oz. Obviously it is overpriced today.
Have a nice depression.
Craig
+1 Excellent post Craig (zaphod42), Well said.
Both my girls, 21, 27, and their friends think Bath House is a piece of shit that won't flush.
Are your daughters hot and single?
its because they are all broke!
they're not any smarter than their ignorant parents...they just literally have no money left over to pay for health care. typical kid gets out of college with 25-50 K in debt at 7% or higher int0erest. they make maximum 40-50k per year. at 50k they cant deduct $1 of student loan interest. this makes it impossible to pay for a car, save for retirement, oh ya tack on an additional 350 per month for medical insurance with a 6k deductible. obamacare fails because he is clueless. people get insurance when they need to care for a family. single people dont buy insurance unless forced to. since if they die no one is affected financially
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I am here in SF and they are as a culture much less smug pricks than they were in the late 90's.
There are pockets of young people who are very well aware of the decline of the empire and do not want to get sucked down with it. Be it food, dress, locomotion, shelter, they are pulling together to do their best to live differently.
They see the decay of the boomers. Look at it this way - the very first generation raised in front of a teevee are now growing elderly and shitting their manpants because they believed and are now fucked.
Not everyone goes down in the undertow. Just think your way through and find some like-minded people. Believe me, I am a natural pessimist and end-of-times type and have to remind myself there are many bright Americans; just far less than a majority but that's always how it is. Nature Herself sets the ratios, my friend.
Another natural ratio - the majority percent wait until it is too late to move on something they correctly perceived coming, a long time before it arrives.
Well spoken Hongcha. You see variety in SF but not in the rest of the bay, spare Berkeley and Oakland. It is all-around bananatopia here down south. The major difference is distance to anything. You need to drive to get anywhere here.
The sad reality is, that if/when EBT goes down or gets cut off entirely, the major cities will be death traps. I really hope those people you speak of are concentrating on getting the fuck out major cities above all else.
I haven't been to SF in 5 years, and it was getting ugly then, even in areas that were normally a bit more relaxed (Sunset). I would be shitting my pants on a daily basis if I were there today. Not for the day to day stuff, but because cities like that are hours away from mass rioting 24/7/365.
I remember meeting people like what you describe back then and it gave me hope, but knowing how savage the FSA is when things don't go their way, it turns to despair because I just don't think that the major cities will be surviveable for much longer.
Doc E That's cause they still have free room and board in mommy and daddy's basement for now but you just wait til mom and dad are foreclosed on their house........................THEN they will get a clue. Coming to a basement near you in 2014.
As I understand it, penalty comes out of refund. No refund, no penalty. With holdings will change dramatically April 15, 2015.
Despite the poll results on Obamacare, they'd still vote for him again.
If there is no viable independent candidate, and the Republicans put up another Mitt Romney for consideration, you are absolutely correct. Otherwise, there may be some small sliver of hope.
Doubt it. The perception of the republican base is:
a) hicks that will vote for a gerbil as long as it's okay to buy gun, shoot immigrants and pay less taxes
Or,
b) Wealthy, Old, homophobic, ethnocentric, selfish white men/women
No young person wants to identify with that.
That's too bad, because White People are awesome!!! And knowing how to handle a gun is pretty rad too.
Ethnocentric, selfish, armed White People shooting for lower taxes are the last hope for the USSA. They built this nation, and they either retake it, or all is lost.
Now, if some youth doesn't want to be onboard with a program like that, then they ain't American.
The repugs are the stupid party for a reason. 2016 will be Christie/Rubio versus Hitlery/Some Southern Blue Dog like Manchin. Same as it ever was. Real change will only come with a revolution, and that will only come when the sheeple are starving in the streets. We are a LONG way from people starving in the streets. The sociopaths that run the world have engineered the system to fleece the sheep while keeping them penned and watched by shepards. It won't change until the shepards turn on the masters.
Wait a sec! You mean that even if this piece of shit coverage is offered to those "in need" they may still be too lazy to do the work to get it? Well who the fuck would have seen that? Wow, some people may just be too lazy regardless of what is offered. CRAZY!
People only want socialism if "they" don't have to pay to get it...it will be true from now to the end of time.
Unless they are born into it. Then they don't want to be without it. For example, I pay 42% in income taxes as a Canadian, but get a medical system I trust not to screw me over. Would I accept US style healthcare at 30% income tax? Hell no!
On the Duty of Civil Disobedience
Children are so perceptive.
The polls have caught up with ZH; all here knew this would be the case & commented on it but Shamwow thought he could BS them into the scam..
welcome to reality 'Mr. President'
Backdoor Barry has S**T and Jizzed on every single person in this country!
I hope he gets an ass full of AIDS!
We must be in Bizzarro world, 'cause in Reality, somebody would have beat his girly ass and sent him back to Kenya.
This motherfucking homo is more gross than a used rubber.
Amazingly, Obama is saying this week that his policies are helping to transfer the wealth from one class to another. And now there’s a drive to pit the youth against the old, claiming that young people are paying the Medicare costs for older people. Class against class is out of control.
The truth is that Medicare itself has become a wealth redistribution program, taking from higher income retiree beneficiaries to give to lower income beneficiaries – many of the latter former Medicaid beneficiaries who paid nothing into Medicare during their working years but who were added later to the Medicare program by government politicians.
A health insurance payment after retirement of $800 a month or more, i.e., $9600 a year, is typical for a middle class couple on Medicare. This includes Medicare Part B premiums plus premiums for Supplemental Health Insurance to private companies such as Blue Cross. And as retirement incomes increase to designated levels, Medicare payments after retirement increase accordingly.
As Medicare.gov reports regarding Part B Medicare costs:
“You pay a premium each month for Medicare Part B (Medical Insurance). Most people will pay the standard premium amount. However, if your modified adjusted gross income as reported on your IRS tax return from 2 years ago is above a certain amount, you may pay an Income Related Monthly Adjustment Amount (IRMAA). IRMAA is an extra charge added to your premium.”
http://www.medicare.gov/your-medicare-costs/part-b-costs/part-b-costs.html
Rejecting Obamacare is a job for all Americans - and particularly for young people whose future will be eliminated by a Communist system: healthcare and services of all kinds will be restricted and distributed by the State according to whims and prejudice of the tyrants.
free healthcare with your free mortgage, your free EBT, your free Student loan....it is all free!
Makes sense. I'm a DJ (yeah, really) in my 2nd life/2nd job and I frequently interact with Millenials (at 33, it's arguable that I'm part of that label).
On the surface they may appear entitled/lazy/stupid but there's a very distinct underlying factor that, to me, explains their behavior: they're perfect consumers. Their sense of entitlement is derived from this simple philosophy, I'm paying for it, so it should be the way I want. This sort of thinking affects them in ways you wouldn't think on the surface. For example, their approach to government, some want to pay less, get less, have more personal choices (young Ron Paul supporters) while others think that since they are "paying" for government then it should intervene and fix everything.
They don't necessarily look at government on the philosophical level, it's purely operative and when you think about it through the guise of consumerism their behavior starts to become more rational.
So we've started to reap the effects of blasting an entire generation with non-stop, invasive advertising, 24 hour news cycles and phone apps out the wazzoo that track your every move.