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US Retailer Hell In One Chart

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The chart below from the WSJ, summarizes perfectly the hell that US retailers find themselves in. In brief: sales down and inventories soaring, means liquidation sales have to surge, while profits and cash flows crater.

From WSJ:

 Simeon Siegel, an analyst with Nomura Equity Research, looked at the inventory carried by those and other specialty-apparel retailers at the end of the third quarter and compared it with his projections for the chains' fourth quarter sales. He found that in most cases inventory growth far outpaced sales growth. Normally, the two should be growing about the same. "The ratios are the worst we have seen in quite a while," Mr. Siegel said.



"The worry now is about demand falling, not going through the roof," Mr. Johnson said.


Abercrombie ended the third quarter with inventory up 22% from a year earlier. Yet Mr. Siegel of Nomura predicts the retailer's sales will fall 14% in the fourth quarter.



Marshal Cohen, the chief industry analyst for the NPD Group, said he spotted signs throughout the weekend that stores were overstocked, including goods

stacked high up on shelves and ample merchandise in storerooms.


"When the most common sizes of popular items don't sell out, that's a problem," Mr. Cohen said.

Yes, it is - it means the consumer is fully tapped out courtesy of Bernanke's 5 year (and ongoing) wealth transfer experiment from the middle class to the 0.1%.

Gap and L Brands have had strong years, with their shares up more than 30%. But apparel sales have been suffering as shoppers direct their attention elsewhere. Many consumers, when they are spending at all, are plowing money into their homes and buying new cars.

They don't call it "fun-da-mentals" for nothing. And with Uncle Sam providing all the car loans one could ever need, why buy clothes when you can live naked (or simply rent clothes as they do in Europe) in their NINJA loan purchased (thanks to the government's generosity) Government Motors.

Finally, don't worry about any of the above: surely there is a weather excuse for all of it.


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Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:25 | 4213468 TruthInSunshine
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No problem, retailers and etailers can just rent out excess inventory, like Mud Jeans in Europe is doing (crotch crabs not included if one is lucky).


A Cash-Strapped Europe's Latest Craze: Rented Clothes

Meet Anouk Gillis who is just such a person. As the WSJ reports, Anouk Gillis often sports a pair of organic-cotton jeans she ordered online. But she doesn't actually own them. Rather than buying the pants, which retail for around €100 ($135), Ms. Gillis signed a 12-month lease with their designer, the small Dutch fashion label Mud Jeans. The terms: a €20 deposit and monthly installments of €5.


Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:33 | 4213525 Popo
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So how long before Obummer bails out Abercrombie & Fitch?

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:40 | 4213530 TruthInSunshine
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The Obamas are more of an Old Navy family.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:47 | 4213576 Grinder74
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I thought it was J. Crew--which is funny because they rarely have any black twigs, er models, in their catalogs.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:38 | 4213711 Vegamma
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The timing of the bailout is uncertain, but it helps to remember the sequence of events.

1. CEO sees writing on the wall, negotiates bonuses for board, which in turns pays CEO special bonus to retain him, cover story is JCPenny is trying to lure him away.

2. Paulson lays out the plan for the connected ones who first buy stock.

3. Obummer floats "bags for rags" stimulus which offers bags of cash for hipsters to trade in old clothes for new A&F only. Stock soars, the connected sell.

4. Obummer switches plan to higher clothing tax to pay for Obamacare. Stocks and bonds crater.

5. Connected ones buy debt at 20 cents on the $.

6. Bailout, consisting of full payout to bondholders and handing equity to an Italian company is announced.

7. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 12:11 | 4213816 NotApplicable
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Surely Maduro can help out with that inventory problem.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 14:36 | 4214353 Never One Roach
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Retailers need to convert themselves into Big Banks, cry "it's the End of the World" hire a Hank look-alike and beg for another TARP.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:08 | 4213629 Freddie
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I got spam email from Aeropostale, US whatever - one of those young hip clothing stores like Old Navy.  I forget which one.  I had no interest but wanted to see if they were panicking and giving stuff away.

They had flannel shirts for $39.99!  A relative called wanting to buy me almost the same shirt at WMT for $6.99. I said no thanks.  I have a lifetime of shirts.   Who the hell buys cheezy flannel shirts for $39.99?  Trust fund hipsters in Bushwick/Williamsburg? 

Big business supporting Obama and now the Repubs going back to talking about amnesty?  F all of them.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:17 | 4213649 dick cheneys ghost
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so let me get this straight...............a relative called you and asked you if you wanted a wal-mart shirt for $6.99? and this was the exact same shirt that you got spammed in a email??

damn fred, you are watching to much TV........

you already admitted you shop at walmart in a previous thread.......I think I will stick with that are just a walmart serf shopper


Wed, 12/04/2013 - 12:37 | 4213909 Deo vindice
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For several years my wife and I have purchased much of our clothing at a very well-run second-hand store. Often they have brand new clothes with the tags still on them for a small fraction of the price.

The whole "designer clothes" industry is just another insidious way to part a fool from his/her money.

When people brag about how much (as in high price) they spent on some clothing article, they fall into the category of 'fool'.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 14:26 | 4214309 Kobe Beef
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Never pay retail.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 17:58 | 4215188 RSloane
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I bought a pair of designer linen shorts at Goodwill for .50$  which were selling in stores for 95$. They had never been worn and the original tag was still in them. I checked online when I got home and sure enough that was the price they were being sold for. I also bought several pieces of clothing for my newborn at a church bazaar, knowing full well that whatever I bought would be quickly outgrown. I got an entire stack of brand new newborn T-shirts for a dollar.

Grats to you and your wife, Deo, that's the smart way to shop.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 00:38 | 4216564 DaveyJones
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I thought designer clothes were a good way to increase the odds of children getting burned in a factory 

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:21 | 4213658 Hedgetard55
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The hipsters are in Sunnyside and Astoria now.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 17:44 | 4215158 Skateboarder
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You want to see ridiculous? See this:

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 19:14 | 4215495 minosgal
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Flavor Slaves

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:24 | 4213479 Charles Nelson ...
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wtf... I thought the adjusted jobs report by ADP fixed everything?!?

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:25 | 4213491 NoDebt
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It did.  It did.  You can stop reading now.  All fixed.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 17:38 | 4215141 101 years and c...
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the bulls have been cheering bad....without taking a second to think of the consequences.  they want bad, they're gonna get it.  shoved right up their ass.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 17:54 | 4215190 Jumbotron
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Somebody from the Hedonics Department will clean ALL this up in a jiffy.....**poof**  .....   well......WHADDAYA KNOW ??   Best retail figures since 2006.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:24 | 4213480 gafgroocK
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I can't even come up with a witty snarc on this.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:28 | 4213502 Grande Tetons
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"When the most common sizes of popular items don't sell out, that's a problem

I am guessing they have plenty of double extra large hanging around. 

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 12:46 | 4213950 Singelguy
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You forget we live in an upside down world. Now all the XL and XXL have been sold out to the FSA.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:08 | 4215235 RSloane
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Yep. That's exactly right. Try to go shopping for petite clothing that does not look like it was designed by a high school cheer leader. Yet there are aisles of clothing designed for the 200 pound + crowd.

NM I just saw your name, Singleguy. My bad.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:24 | 4213481 threeputting
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The government shutdown is to blame.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:27 | 4213499 toady
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George Bush hates black people.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:32 | 4213514 falak pema
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He should never have painted Laura in black !

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:30 | 4213505 Jimmy Carter wa...
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Bring the taper bitcheez, gold to 1000, speed up the reset.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:30 | 4213507 max2205
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Blizzard of 2013 coming just in time for the exuses for misses.    How do they do that?

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 17:51 | 4215176 crazyroadlizard
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Don't forget the shortened shopping season with Thanksgiving so late in the month - even though Black Friday started on Wednesday!

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:26 | 4213484 Chupacabra-322
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The sound of an Empire deflating.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:30 | 4213508 mess nonster
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Deflating is right. This is what deflation looks like.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:45 | 4213567 Bobbyrib
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Stagflation. With deflation prices actually go down and the consumer would have more buying power. Bernanke is setting (through QE/creating inflation) higher prices for products people need.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:49 | 4213580 screw face
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Hyper Stagflation is baked in .......Dudes

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 12:42 | 4213927 Variance Doc
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Wrong!  Deflation is a consequence of a contraction in the money supply (and "velocity").  DO NOT confuse this with deleveraging, which is a different thing!

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 12:58 | 4214001 Singelguy
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But the money supply IS contracting for the average consumer. Higher taxes, higher health insurance premiums, lower wages. If the consumers have no money to buy, prices must drop, or businesses will sell less and will ultimately have to close. Money supply is only growing for the banks who are pumping stock prices higher.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 13:23 | 4214097 Variance Doc
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Great - retarded Econ 101.  You'll have a lot of students in the USSA.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 17:56 | 4215194 Nigh Eve
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True.   Regardless of what the correct terminology is, a weaker currency (a consequence of QE) works against any growth in the average person's disposable income.   

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:31 | 4213510 falak pema
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Biden loves chop suey; maybe we should too.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:42 | 4213554 madcows
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The collapse of nations occurs at a rather slow rate when viewed against a human lifespan.  However, as national collapses go, I'd say this is on the order of the dude's crash from the car racing movie, release 52 or whatever it is.  I'll have to go ask the neighborhood tweens what the name is, but in general, rather fast and fiery.  In fact, I think this collapse is so cataclysmic that it will leave a sonic boom (depression) around the world.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:27 | 4213486 buzzsaw99
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Other retailers I see not jack shit for inventory and thus declining top line is imminent. Trying to buy shoes for a bunch of kids, looked at every store, found very little in any of their sizes so zappos here we come. brick and mortar is dead. sales tax revenue will suffer, thus munis not such a good bet either.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:34 | 4213516 TruthInSunshine
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Some of my best pairs of casual shoes and boots were made in the UK or US.

Their equivalents today (even same brand) are made in China.

It's like going from cow hide to dog skin (or more likely, rubbish synthetic material), and it shows, and the new pairs last a year or even less if used heavily, while you can't wear the old pairs out.

Even Dr. Marten & Red Wings now have some of their "top tier" products made in China.


Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:44 | 4213560 buzzsaw99
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very true for adult shoes. kid shoes never fit for more than 6 months in any event.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:26 | 4213680 MachoMan
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Reminds me of the pair of vasque sundowners I got in the late nineties...  arguably the best hiking boots ever made...  quality craftsmanship full leather construction from italy.

Fast forward a few years...  they're now made in china and subject to more than a few negative reviews.  oops.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:55 | 4213770 PT
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Aside from your gold stash and your gun stash and your silver stash and your food stash, it may be handy to have a leather stash and a wool stash and a cotton stash and spare boot making / clothes making machines laying around.  After Uncle Sam decides to bomb the Chinese clothing factories, that stuff may be hard to come by, as will finding anyone who knows anything about manufacturing.  Don't forget to keep the moths away from your wool stash.  Coming to think of it, a Chinese made clothing / shoe stash might be "cheaper" ...

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 12:14 | 4213826 NotApplicable
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Boots I can see, but buddy, there's enough clothing already in the US to keep us from being naked for decades.

"I'ma gonna pop some tags..."

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 17:47 | 4215167 Uncle Remus
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I've heard the same about Vasque. I haven't had a pair since I left the moutains, but they used to be excellent.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:12 | 4215195 mt paul
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 Macho man ,,Have to disagree with you a bit

i have used Vasque Montana block

3 quarter steel shank hiking boots for years [ 40+]

they are the best of the vasque line...

the sundowner is a nice all around hiking boot 

but not really ridged enough for hard mountain work...

resoled my first pair 2 times

broke my heart when i had to retire them 

the company rep gave me a pro deal on my present pair

the best boot on earth...

stop at the top

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:02 | 4213603 J Pancreas
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I'm an Allen Edmonds convert. Great quality, US made, matching belts.


Frye boots for the wife, also US made were an easy buy when comparing similar priced made in China Ugg leather boots.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:53 | 4213593 screw face
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+1 munis


yup ..... that's how it looks over here in #Nucleartracktown, lot's of stinking 'PAPER'.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:26 | 4213487 Zero Point
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Time for lootin season.

I'll go rent a sledge hammer, using a credit card.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:25 | 4213488 SheepDog-One
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80" LG's for $5 for everyone! 

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:29 | 4213492 becky quick and...
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my family is not rich, we pull in around $100k a year. yeah, we do okay, but not rich. the reason i mention this is that most of our friends are in the same income bracket. 


without exception, almost al of our friends are spending ALL of their money on insurance, food, gas, electric & water bills, and maybe a car or a boat. discretionary day-to-day spending is almost non-existant.


good luck with the economy when people in my situation are spending, literally, NOTHING on retail purchases.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:33 | 4213519 max2205
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Add in new aca costs next year and 60% of the us could technically qualify for bankruptcy

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:32 | 4213522 mess nonster
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... a boat? Are some of your friends boat people? As in, do they live on a boat?

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:36 | 4213528 becky quick and...
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northern wisconsin, there's a lake every 12 feet. owning a a boat here is like having an ez-pass in boston.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:39 | 4213545 TruthInSunshine
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Boats are cruel burdens in hard times.

When the 2008 amuse-bouche hit, noveau paper-riche people were sinking their 1/2 million dollar weekenders all over the Gulf Coast, in hopes of an insurance bailout.

The boats were washing up everywhere with perfectly symetrical holes riddled throughout their hulls. Must've been hail damage

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:22 | 4213662 smacker
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Could have been caused by gold falling through the hull ;-)

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 12:48 | 4213944 Deo vindice
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100k isn't 'rich'? Obviously everything is relative.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:05 | 4215222 Burnbright
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Depends on where you live and what your standard of living is. My wife and I both work making 70k, more than likely after taxes we see 50k. We have two kids in day care so we have an extra 1200 dollars in expentures (and that is cheap day care) but I feel poor. A good home costs roughly 300k in my area. We almost never take vacations, mostly because I never have time off, I work tues - sat, her mon - fri, so that we pay $300 less in day care each month so we only have 1 day off together each week. Our rent is cheap thank god or we wouldn't be able to save a dime. We got lucky though, found someone through a friend to rent from otherwise we would be paying $300 more for a house 2/3 the size, in a shitty neighborhood. $100k these days is middle class. $300k+ might be rich

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 00:52 | 4216599 DaveyJones
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100 is definitely not rich in many major metro or suburban areas. Add some kids and college and the game is over. There is no discretionary income left. Peak oil, peak debt, inflation, and a corrupt overpriced medical system (now mandatory) do not help. This middle age generation is the one to see the grand transition. Old enought to remember the old world their parents lived in, young enough to drop dramatically in real world living standards. Lucky us  

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:24 | 4213671 JMT
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The cost of living has soared even for a single person in the NYC area (not in any of the gentrified neighborhoods of the 5 boros ) you need to be making around $100,000 a year.. There is federal, state & local tax (if you live in the city) but transportation to get to work can easily exceed $200 a month for train + subway and rents in the suburbs start in the $2,000's per month and go to obsene levels the closer to get to the nouveau riche trendy areas of Brooklyn & Queens... 

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:38 | 4213712 HulkHogan
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Here on ZH, we all have boats. Funny enough, I lost mine in an unfortunate accident.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 12:24 | 4213863 TheKinski
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We are in the same boat as you.

Zero discretionary income, we live extremely frugally and I have our budget/cash flow down to a science.

No cable, no smart phones, no entertainment budget.  And we make 85-95k.

I have 1 pair of jeans that I can wear in public.  The rest have holes or are full of grease and oil from doing my own car repairs.  My hands still hurt from changing a water pump last week in my garage until 1am as I needed my vehicle the next day for work.

Every month whilst paying the bills, I cannot believe how expensive it is to just eek out a living. 

Yeah, I know.  Cry me river, right?  I'm just sayin' that there is something wrong when you make a "decent" salary, yet are struggling to just stay afloat.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:06 | 4215223 quasimodo
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Sure nice to see a few others here in the same boat we are, while we are on boats-sold ours three years ago. Love boating but was getting to the point of a 10k$ boat that got about 20 hours a year on her, you do the math.

Like you kinski, I also do what repairs I can when time allows, and have one good pair of jeans for "going out". With three kids, it's just insane how much crap they go through when they hit a growth spurt, and yes my head spins when I see what we spend on stuff every month. We do have a "fun" budget but it's very small and allows about one outing per month if lucky. 

I keep telling myself be thankful for what you have; food, shelter and good family/ friends, but damn it's hard when some of those friends live like kings and you wonder where the heck it comes from.


Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:08 | 4215241 Burnbright
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If you are that hard pressed I would just move. Easier said than done, and trust me I know. But if I could convince my wife to I would just move somewhere it was cheaper to live. We love where we live which is why I think neither of us would move atm, so if that is the case I understand, but sometimes I still wonder why not move where my cost of living would be less than half what it is here. 

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:10 | 4215247 lakecity55
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Dear TK,

My Plan is working!

Wait until I decree CommieCare (TM) at gunpoint! You will have No Money At All!!!

Hahhahahaha, motherfucker!

I hope soon you and all ZH will be sucking my cock for food, hahahahha!


Backdoor Barry and Reggie.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 13:18 | 4214082 AurorusBorealus
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I won´t say precisely how much I am currently making in USD, but let us just say that it is a fraction of 100K.  I have plenty of discretionary income.  I buy good wine whenever I want, eat at restaraunts often, donate a nice chunk of my income to local charities, have a fine motorcycle, and hopefully will soon be purchasing between 10 and 25 acres of land to start the construction of a house.  Of course, I don´t live in the United States any more.  Left 1 and a half years ago for South America... something to think about...

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:14 | 4215261 Burnbright
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By your comments I would also guess you don't have kids, might be wrong, but you talk like a free person with no attachments. 

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 00:54 | 4216607 DaveyJones
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save on heating costs

sunrise and sunset pretty steady

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 14:39 | 4214380 PlausibleDenial
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I used to make over 100K USD as a financial advisor.... then I started reading ZH about 3 1/2 years ago.  I now have no clients hence no income..... Apparantly I have been a bear far too long... I don't  have health insurance, my car needs work, I am sellling all kinds of shiit I have accumulated over the years and have not used, my girlfriend is getting pissed thus I am not getting laid....

Fuck you Bernanke.... One day you cocksucker


Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:24 | 4215304 stocktivity
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People in "my situation" don't have boats for day to day spending. Then again, one of my favorite songs is Garth Brooks "Friends in Low Places".

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:26 | 4213495 krispkritter
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In a related report, the Administration has just moved Christmas to January 25th.  Citing an error in it's reporting model, sales attributed to 'Holiday Shopping' will now be calculated from 11/25 to the following 1/25.  Negotiations continue with the Easter Bunny to extend the season next year...

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:29 | 4215331 stocktivity
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Wow...and the Republicans went along???

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:29 | 4213506 Billy Sol Estes
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Abercombie and Fitch are still open?

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:30 | 4213513 Tsar Pointless
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Yeah. I heard they split-up, hence the reason for your using "are" instead of "is" in your comment.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 16:08 | 4214822 Billy Sol Estes
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Or 'are' as in groups of people working there and their numerous outlets.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 12:56 | 4213988 Agent P
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I've bought exactly one A&F product in my life, and that was a giant coffee mug with a full four finger D-handle I purchased in the early 90s...still have's my go-to hot chocolate mug after I shovel snow.  Is this relevant? No, but it's a pretty fucking awesome mug. 

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:29 | 4213509 Tsar Pointless
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There are two people for whom I am buying gifts this year, and they would be my two great-nephews.

I myself need nothing at this point, so nothing for me until after the New Year, when I can probably get new dress shirts and pants for 50% less than they are now.

I love the smell of a deflationary depression in the morning!

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:35 | 4213524 Calculus99
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Becky, I've been making the same point here in the UK but the crux of the matter is the EXPONENTIAL.

Few seem to realise that you can't have 3%-7% (after inflation) annual rises in Ultities-Housing-Food-Transport (even Sky TV) for the past SEVERAL years without the numbers getting too large. Case in point is the massive political row here in the UK about rising energy costs. Why didn't they complain so much 1-3 years ago? Because the EXPONENTIAL hadn't get caught up, but now it has...

So if I was a retailer of clothes/toys/gadgets, basically anything that's not needed to live I'd be extremly worried about the next few years and the EXPONENTIAL is only going to have a greater effect.

So want a new pair of Levis? Get saving and you can have them for Christmas, 2015!

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:36 | 4213532 10mm
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ill be at JC Pennys 1.97 rack with loose change jar. Coins were already checked.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:45 | 4213561 TruthInSunshine
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Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:08 | 4213630 toady
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They're closing the JCP Outlet store here in AZ and the prices are hitting rock bottom. You're forced to dig through piles of Chinese crap, but there's some good shit in there occasionally. I found some Levi's, real Levi's, with the heavy-duty fabric, not that cheap faux blue jean material that splits & shreds. $10 a pair, regular price was over $50.

I say get any good stuff you can now. Sure, prices may deflate more, but all that will be left at those prices will be low quality knock-offs.

The JCP Outlet no longer has any Levi's in my, or my boys, sizes ;)

Merry Christmas!

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:42 | 4213562 fuu
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All is well in the Land of Rape and Honey.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:47 | 4213578 B2u
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Weather?  Any negatives are due to sequester.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:50 | 4213589 Bobbyrib
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I was dumb enough to give some retailers my email address and now I keep getting emails providing discounts for shopping. Retail companies better start cooking the books now if they're going to make earnings.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:54 | 4213595 screw face
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Thu, 12/05/2013 - 00:57 | 4216613 DaveyJones
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it means everything just to know how many others are pissed off and struggling.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:56 | 4213598 nbsharma
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Seems like Peter Schiff will be right again. There won't be a tapering - if anything, the Fed will *increase* QE.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:34 | 4215358 stocktivity
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A 20% correction in the stock market and you'll start hearing rumors of a QE5 with Janet buying stocks. Have to keep those 401K's inflated so the sheepie keep spending.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:57 | 4213601 Bobbyrib
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Bangladesh Garment Factory Ablaze As Worker Anger Boils

LOL. The factory made clothes for Gap and WalMart.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:59 | 4213602 Fix It Again Timmy
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When I was growing up, going to a brick and mortar store was a very big deal; since that time, means of entertainment have profligated in so many different ways that going to an actual store is about on par with getting a root canal from a 90 year old dentist with an 80 year old dental assistant.  JC Penny - did you hear that?....

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:01 | 4213606 Bobbyrib
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Some of these retailers run skeleton crews (profit margins), so when you go there you have to wait a very long time to purchase your product. I just walk out.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:11 | 4213621 monad
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Consider this for a moment.

Despite the vigorous activities of the foreign and domestic enemies of the United State, we are still far and away the largest consumer market on the planet and despite the aggression from Washington DC, Chicago and London, our industrial base is still as large as China's.

The rise of MNCs with wealth comparable to nations is nothing new. For instance the British and French colonial corporations. They are well developed political instruments.

Instead of one sided trade agreements permitting lying, racist, genocidal dictators like Mao and Netanyahu to assault and plunder America's middle class, declare American youth second class citizens in our own educational institutions and price education out of reach, and impose unilateral tariffs crippling exports, what a government of, for and by Americans would have done is restrict access to our consumer market to only the nations that uphold human rights similar to what we aspire to. This is what Abraham Lincoln did. So did Mao. So did Putin. But instead the traitors sold us out for their own profit (Biden, career politician - 60mm before VP) and absurd ideals about what other people should be doing.

So despite the government legalizing slavery and transferring the wealth of the United States into the hand of foriegn oligarchs, consumers aren't also handing over their savings in exchange for cheap junk with low thread counts being served by foreign owned trading posts? They are all foreign owned, for reasons of legal, tax and government loan advantages. Consumers have to do what their worthless phony representatives have utterly failed to do and vote against this usurpation with their dollars and their feet. I don't mind contributing to the economic development of others, but not when it comes at the expense of my prosperity and the opportunities of my children, which is what this is.

The garbage at the Gap has long been made by sweatshops that use to make cheap bootleg knockoffs, and their quality has gotten worse than that of the original cheap imitations. You can find the front line of the invasion at the colleges you pay for. Look in the English as a Second Language program. Interview the admissions counsellors. Talk to any corporate HR minion about the top down, central banker imposed federal compliance initiated by Hitlery in 1996. Audit the IRS redistribution dispensation.

Spend this commercial season considering your shrinking options. Its not the money, but its your patriotic duty to stop engaging in taxable activities anyway. 

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:23 | 4213646 Pee Wee
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Clearly this is a problem for government to solve.   The Affordable Apparel Act of 2014.

"If you like the shirt on your back you can keep the shirt on your back."

Does anyone know if the Fed is buying old shoes yet?

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:17 | 4213647 eucalyptus
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I wonder how brands like Alden shoe or Allen Edmonds or British shoemakers are doing. You know, making shoes that actually last 20 years. Not the crap you find at the mall. 


Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:20 | 4213652 JMT
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The clothes (or apparel) being sold are overpriced crap. same with customer service..  and when you pay always asked if you are 'using xx retailer card'.   prices have gotten pretty high so they can mark it down and scream 40% off everything, so that flannel shirt that is regularly priced at $59.50 costs only $35.70 and you are made to feel like you are getting a great deal

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:18 | 4213653 JMT
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The clothes (or apparel) being sold are overpriced crap. same with customer service..  and when you pay always asked if you are 'using xx retailer card'.   prices have gotten pretty high so they can mark it down and scream 40% off everything, so that flannel shirt that is regularly priced at $59.50 costs only $35.70 and you are made to feel like you are getting a great deal

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:20 | 4213654 JMT
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The clothes (or apparel) being sold are overpriced crap. same with customer service..  and when you pay always asked if you are 'using xx retailer card'.   prices have gotten pretty high so they can mark it down and scream 40% off everything, so that flannel shirt that is regularly priced at $59.50 costs only $35.70 and you are made to feel like you are getting a great deal

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:43 | 4213728 Mi Naem
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Whoa, man, we heard ya! 


Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:50 | 4215410 W74
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Shhhh, don't give away Kohl's business model...

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:25 | 4213659 yogibear
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LOL, as the Chinese produced junk (Inventory) piles up people are having a hard time funding the much higher healthcare cost with Obamacare. Consumers are spent out. Living on the next credit expansion fix until bankruptcy.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:26 | 4213675 Orwell was right
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Unless my eyes deceive me....the chart applies to "specialty clothing" retailers.    The tone of the article makes it sound like EVERY retial outlet is in trouble.     While it may turn out that all retailers are hurting....(yes, the economy still sucks)....the chart provided doesn't support that

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:32 | 4213693 JMT
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and most shopping centers / outlets malls are jammed on weekends from Labor day - after New Years.. have to wait until someone leaves to find a parking space.. the apple store is jam packed as well.  I saw many people at the Stamford Town Center carrying bags from apple or new Mac books or Imacs so people are spending money

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:25 | 4213676 creeko
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I like to read the MSN Money website while reading ZH so that I can get the feeling of matter/antimatter collisions. 

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:31 | 4213687 JMT
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I have to ask this... sometimes medications for depression can precipitate manic behavior the opposite side of depression -- one sign is out of control credit card spending.. doctor prescribes prozac then raises the dose to four capsules a day like its nothing for slight depression and fell off  wagon credit card balances went parabolic.. 

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:40 | 4213718 Mi Naem
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I do wish Ubercrummy & Filth would hurry up and die. 

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 17:57 | 4215198 NOTaREALmerican
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Isn't Sears,  JCP, and Japan ahead of them in line?

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:48 | 4215407 W74
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Laughter Tears!

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:42 | 4213720 markar
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JCP will never come out of this alive... RIP

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 12:21 | 4213853 NotApplicable
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Thing is, will they be zombified in an effort to continue some charade of a consumer economy?

Next up, Inventory Backed Securities!

with Mr. Yellen orchestrating the mighty K-Hen

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 17:57 | 4215200 lakecity55
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Neither will any other business. Soon the Regime will own all business. You will get paid with an EBT card.

Dictatorship, Martial Law and Murder, that's what's for dinner.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 11:51 | 4213761 deerhunter
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I haven't bought new clothes in four years except underwear and socks.  Essentials.  All clothes bought at thrift stores.  Was making well over 100K when company BKed.  Two car wrecks blown shoulder, law suits,  everthing coming up roses.  Two surgeries without insurance in family.  No debt except mortgage.  Downsizing out of question until I can sell house.  It is amazing what you can do without.  I hunt deer for meat now.  One in freezer and can take as many does as I buy tags for.  Lack of lifting ability due to car wreck severly limits job options. The world does not owe me a living.  I will keep swinging.  

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 12:19 | 4213841 NotApplicable
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Kudos for being a survivor rather than a victim.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:48 | 4215392 W74
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Dude, tell me about those car wreck lawsuits!!!  I got destroyed by a 22 year old chick talking on her cell phone and then SHE filed a 50k lawsuit for a broken thumb.

Nevermind my torn ACL + MCL, and fractured forearm, plus not working for a month (had to take a different position and they didn't give me back my old one, had to train my replacement so I left that job), bought a new car and basically just got fucked.  No worries, I'm recovered.  Fuck chicks on their cell phones though.  They can burn.  Saw one coming back from Ohio texting in her right hand, cigarette in her left.  Fuck them.

I need to come out your way.  I can lift anything.  Polish retard strength goes a long way.  I love your attitude sir.  That's what built old America. (Can we start calling it Old America now?  How about Ancient America?)

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 12:45 | 4213938 Agent P
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L Brands up y/y....titties and thongs never go out of style! 

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 13:32 | 4214130 Make_Mine_A_Double
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A few years ago my teenaged step daughter was complaining that all her friends wore the same thing from Abercrombie.

She made this profound observation on teenage girl herd mentality while sporting a tee shirt with ABERCROMBE stenciled across her chest and a pair of sweats with ABERCROMBE stamped on her behind.  

Point being if you are marketing to teenagers your branded store seems to have a limited shelf life - maybe 10 years tops.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 13:51 | 4214192 KnightTakesKing
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Maybe the Fed should stop buying MBS and start purchasing excess inventory from A&F?

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:39 | 4215366 W74
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Or we could send the surplus to Africa and in the process destabilize local textile industries: everything from suppliers to sowers to distributors to machine repairmen to merchants, to those who make the string and fabric.  We should send them cheaper-than-fuck rice and corn too and then wonder why their farmers are poor if they grow anything at all.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 15:20 | 4214566 Red Raspberry
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I was just at walmart looking for size 14 slip ons.  Not a one in sight.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:35 | 4215362 stocktivity
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sorry Shaq

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 17:51 | 4215183 lakecity55
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Nobody has any discretionary income: it all has to go to CommieCare to pay for the 'healthcare' you will absolutely never receive.

The teleprompter-reading maggot should be run out of town on a rail with hot tar and feathers.

All the money to build the website went to the Wookie's buddy who then kicked it back to the Wookie.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:34 | 4215352 W74
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Shit, even under the old system the last few times I sought healthcare I left feeling like I didn't actually receive anything for what I paid...or much of anything at all other than a "you're fine; nothing to worry about".

No wonder I take care of myself.  I have to.  No one else will, not even the doctors, and while I have some faith in nurses, most of them are just in it because it beats being a single mom, I guess.  (sorry to dig on nurses; just observation).

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 17:55 | 4215189 NOTaREALmerican
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Individual stores don't matter.   All that matters is the total at the end of the Xmas buying frenzy.    There's probably some new store the young hipster people go to now.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:30 | 4215341 W74
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Ooo Ooo.  Is it Hot Topic?  No...that was 15 years ago.  Not really seeing too many "goth" kids at the mall these days.  Shit, not really seeing anyone at the mall except for at the three cash for gold shops.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:02 | 4215213 Peter Pan
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Buy a raincoat because when the shit hits the fan you need to be dressed accordingly.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:29 | 4215332 W74
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One of these days I'm going to have to throw globs of poo into a jet turbine.  My hypothesis is that the resulting scat scatter will look something like the Lincoln bedroom after O'bowel Movement and the Wookie go at it.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:04 | 4215217 Never One Roach
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Increased sales does not mean increased profits... profit margins are paper thin if existing at all.

Wed, 12/04/2013 - 18:26 | 4215320 W74
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Have not bought clothes in 5 years (because admittedly my ex-wife/in-laws bought what they thought I would look good in; I have zero fashion sense anyway)  other than running shoes and moisture wicking socks.  Do not need more clothes!  Do not need more clothes!  If I do I'll hit the Goodwill store and buy something for between $2-$5.  Do not need more clothes, no I do not!

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