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On The CIA's Role In Nelson Mandela's 1962 Arrest

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While we don't want to detract in any way from the world's mourning the passage of one of 20th century's most luminary personalities, we can't help but be confused by the hypocrisy exhibited by certain members of the US government. The reason: it was none other than the US government-controlled Central Intelligence Agency that was instrumental in Nelson Mandela's 1962 arrest that resulted in his 27 year imprisonment on Robben Island.

From the New York Times, June 10, 1990:

C.I.A. TIE REPORTED IN MANDELA ARREST

The Central Intelligence Agency played an important role in the arrest in 1962 of Nelson Mandela, the African National Congress leader who was jailed for nearly 28 years before his release four months ago, a news report says.

The intelligence service, using an agent inside the African National Congress, provided South African security officials with precise information about Mr. Mandela's activities that enabled the police to arrest him, said the account by the Cox News Service.

The report, scheduled for publication on Sunday, quoted an unidentified retired official who said that a senior C.I.A. officer told him shortly after Mr. Mandela's arrest: ''We have turned Mandela over to the South African Security branch. We gave them every detail, what he would be wearing, the time of day, just where he would be.''

Mark Mansfield, a spokesman for the agency, declined to comment on the news-service report. ''As a matter of policy, we do not discuss allegations of intelligence activities,'' he said.

Protecting Pretoria's Rule

Reports that American intelligence tipped off the South African officials who arrested Mr. Mandela have circulated for years. Newsweek reported in February that the agency was believed to have been involved.

Mr. Mandela is scheduled to visit the United States beginning June 20 for a five-city tour that will include talks with President Bush and a speech before a joint meeting of Congress.

The news-service report said that at the time of Mr. Mandela's arrest in August 1962, the C.I.A. devoted more resources to penetrating the activities of nationalist groups like the African National Congress than did South Africa's then-fledgling security service.

The account said the American intelligence agency was willing to assist in the apprehension of Mr. Mandela because it was concerned that a successful nationalist movement threatened a friendly South African Govenment. Expansion of such movements outside South Africa's borders, the agency feared, would jeopardize the stability of other African states, the account said.

Arrest at a Roadblock

A retired South African intelligence official, Gerard Ludi, was quoted in the report as saying that at the time of Mr. Mandela's capture, the C.I.A. had put an undercover agent into the inner circle of the African National Congress group in Durban.

That agent provided the intelligence service with detailed accounts of the organization's activities, including information on the whereabouts of Mr. Mandela, then being sought as a fugitive for his anti-apartheid activities.

The morning after a secret dinner party with other congress members in Durban, Mr. Mandela, dressed as a chauffeur, ran into a roadblock. He was immediately recognized and arrested.

The retired official said that because of concern over the propriety of the C.I.A.'s actions in the Mandela case, ''higher authorities'' required that the State Department approve any similar operations in the future. The report said the State Department refused on at least three occasions to allow the agency to provide South African officials with information about other dissidents.

 


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Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:10 | Link to Comment Max Damage
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MOAR, shit sorry, wrong article. But BTFD anyway

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Occident Mortal
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In 1962 the US authorities were doing exaclty the same thing to black people in America.

 

It's easy to make the case they are still doing it today.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:23 | Link to Comment Fukushima Sam
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Mandela was actually considered a "terrorist" by the US and was not removed from that list until 2008.

http://news.yahoo.com/mandela-man-once-branded-39-terrorist-39-us-051042...

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:26 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Maybe he and his ANC blew some shit up over time, and wished they'd done more?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment max2205
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Just wait till MLK hears about this....oh wait....

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:30 | Link to Comment NIHILIST CIPHER
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TBT    Just like Billy Ayers, Weathermen wished they could have killed more and blown up more . All for the marxist cause, well where is Africa today? and Amerika today? Obama's good buddies. I spit on them all.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:43 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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More info for consideration to support FS article...

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http://henrymakow.com/when_do_terrorists_get_nobel_p.html

 

 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 16:38 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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Not to mention Reagan and Thatcher 100% supported apartheid and saw Mandela as satan.

Oh well, all in the past! Bunch of reganites praising Mandela, oh the comedy.

Anyway, I see braindead cipher is here (above), where is the rest of the stormfront crowd to whine abot deh evil blackman stealin deh jobs and ruinin deh world?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment kchrisc
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When you bomb , occupy and/or antagonize so many of the world's people, even rocks begin to look like 'terrorists.' But then a terror-state like the US needs 'terrorists' to maintain its existence.

"Ignorance of the Constitution and 'following orders' are no excuse."

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:12 | Link to Comment nabi
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He was considered a terrorist for good reason:  http://americanfreepress.net/?p=11873

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:35 | Link to Comment NOZZLE
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Mandella was a communist and his lovely wife was a viscious serial killer and he did nothing to stop her.  You want to make excuses for that, have at it.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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CIA got him, but did not kill him, seems they had a use for  him then...some of our hero worshiping press might want to think about that point. or not.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment SamAdams
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There is always one that tends to think rather than follow the crowd.  You win the prize today.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:46 | Link to Comment prains
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....honestly I have no idea what a "communist" is or means anymore, language has so distorted the idea of what a communist is there's now about 600 variations to the idea, why even bother using the word? As to serial killers I can't speak to what his wife was but I do know George Bush, Dick Rumsfeld and Dick"myOwnBalls"Cheney are all WOAR criminals and serial murderers as well, so in that regard it's all relative.

 

 

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Fri, 12/06/2013 - 15:11 | Link to Comment trader1
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+100

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 17:51 | Link to Comment Drachma
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Quite simple actually. A communist is one of many of the manifestations of a "collectivist", who puts the false construct of "the good of the many" ahead of individual rights and freedoms, generally believing that the ends justify the means, and that concentration of power in the hands of a few central, controlling, intectually superior elite will inevitably bring a societal utopia. The path of a collectivist's atrocities is paved a mile high with good intentions, and they strongly resent it when the rabble can not understand how they are doing the work of God himself. Cheers.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 18:03 | Link to Comment Duck
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Mandela fought for freedom.

“During my lifetime I have dedicated myself to this struggle of the African people. I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.”
Fri, 12/06/2013 - 19:58 | Link to Comment S.N.A.F.U.
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You're getting fooled by a shell-game played with the meaning of words.  Everyone likes/wants (or at least pays lip-service to) "freedom".  But to many people "freedom" means things like "freedom from making decisions", "freedom from responsibility" and "freedom to steal other people's stuff".  In Mandela's case, he was for "freedom from free markets (capitalism)" and "freedom from private land ownership".  Real freedom requires strong private property rights and free markets.  Mandela appears to have been for something else (most likely chasing one of those many fantasies full of good intentions but lacking sound comprehension of reality -- the two qualities which are the bricks and mortar making up many roads to hell).

source:
"Mandela: The Authorised Biography", pg 298
Anthony Sampson
ISBN 978-0007437979

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 21:54 | Link to Comment Duck
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How about freedom of assembly, freedom of movement?

Am I to suppose if you lived under the conditions of apartheid, you would not rebel against your loss of freedoms?

 

Under apartheid did everyone have the same property rights or did "rights" depend on the color of one's skin?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 23:39 | Link to Comment S.N.A.F.U.
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Are we changing topics now?  Your claim was "Mandela fought for freedom."  I merely pointed out that his idea of "freedom" was not exactly what most here would consider freedom.

There's nothing in my post in support of apartheid, so your comments given as a "response" are specious.

And ending apartheid is not at all the same as achieving freedom.  Ending apartheid just means everyone* has the same rights, which can mean no one has freedom.  (That's basically what happened in the US "civil war" -- it just changed things so instead of blacks being enslaved by whites, everyone was enslaved by the federal government.)

*: The common folk.  Ruling class excluded.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:37 | Link to Comment whatsinaname
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Was a little surprised by the comments on Mandela on ZH. Always thought he was a decent guy trying to fight for free rights for all (be it white or black). There are so many who are vocal about freedom and free rights after all. It is another matter that his dream did not quite pan out and the people who took over power have done a poor job managing the country, but to blame Mandela for fighting for rights does not seem right. Maybe my views are tainted by having watched the movie Invictus. Maybe somebody could shed  better light. Not condoning what is happening in SA today either but I dont think Mandela had as much to do with it.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:42 | Link to Comment Deo vindice
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That's because you need to read the rest of the story.

If you do a search on "Mandela necklacing" you'll get another perspective of the man and his organization, the ANC.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment Freddie
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The white lefties from SA are even worse.  They were so against apartheid but they had their bags packed and left as soon as it was ended.  You run into them once and a while in the USA.  Real scum.  I also met SA people who were civilians,  Their lives were in danger and had to kill for self defense.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:19 | Link to Comment prains
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evil and immoral exists without skin color, it's motivation that binds them

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 16:21 | Link to Comment Deo vindice
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+1.  Evil has always been a matter of a person's heart, not the pigmentation of their skin.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 15:13 | Link to Comment trader1
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and what if we run a selector on your webporn viewing history?  

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:12 | Link to Comment lostintheflood
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why am i not surprised?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:22 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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"The CIA is essentially a criminal conspiracy."  --  Douglas Valentine

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:30 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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"Don't panic."
-Douglas Adams

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:39 | Link to Comment SoilMyselfRotten
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Isn't it rather curious that CIA is in both words CrIminAl and ConspIrAcy ??

......just sayin

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment Emergency Ward
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Fits in Al CIAda, too.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:57 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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Is $ fits in there some where? $ goes TP, alphabets go down the drain.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:32 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Ah, tradition.

In 1947, the US ambassador to Iran publicly decried intimidation and coercion used by foreign governments to secure commercial concessions in Iran, and promised full US support for Iran to freely decide about its own natural resources.

Just six years later, the CIA, at the behest of British Petroleum, orchestrated the overthrow of Iran's democratically elected prime minister.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:45 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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On the other hand, the Soviet Union was prevented from getting into the oil patch.

Think socialist rabble rousers nationalizing shit helps the people? Venezuela from Cavez on, Vs Chile thanks to a spot of grizzly greasing. Compare and contrast.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:21 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Think socialist rabble rousers nationalizing shit helps the people?

Good. A classic response. When you can't think of anything, fall back on "ism" and "ist" words and apply the tar with a broad brush. As a certain troll familiar to these parts might say, how US citizenish.

Compare and contrast.

Good idea. The deal with the Anglo-Persian Oil Company (later known as the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company and then as British Petroleum), agreed to (under duress) by a previous non-constitutional government, gave Iran 16 percent of the profits derived from its oil. Mossadegh attempted to negotiate a 50/50 split of the profits between Iran and the British, which the British, against the recommendations of the obviously socialist US government, rejected. This 50/50 split was similar to the 1950 agreement between Saudi Arabia and the American-owned (thus socialist) Arabian American Oil Company.

After the killings, the overthrow, and the installation of the puppet shah, an agreement was reached with a consortium of companies, of which British Petroleum made up 40 percent, whereby the consortium agreed to split the oil profits 50/50 with Iran, but not to open its books to Iranian auditors or to allow Iranians onto its board of directors.

But hey, the US is allowed to do bad things because they're The Good Guys®.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:31 | Link to Comment fallout11
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Yep, classic (Black) Spy vs (White) Spy. Only the color of the clothing was different.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:59 | Link to Comment kchrisc
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The CIA's Iran overthrow together with the US orchestrated Aghanis 'coup' created so-called militant Islam.

One could say that the US (DC) is fighting its tail (CIA) for the benefit of all of the Haliburtons, Blackwaters, Boeings and General Dynamics, etc. in the middle. The American people are just the tits they all suck dry.

"Guns don't kill people, mostly people in uniform do."

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:14 | Link to Comment InconvenientCou...
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The ideas prevailed over the empire. Mandella was only a common man but he showed the rest of us what can be acheived.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:27 | Link to Comment Charles Nelson ...
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pfffftttttt.... you kidding me dude?  He is a glorified western puppet that if not let out of jail by western oligarchs in 1990, we wouldn't even be talking about him today. 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Just finished this for the first time last night thanks to an informed ZH reader.  Can't believe I missed this one 15 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRlh2nUWrzs

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:14 | Link to Comment BennyBoy
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WTF!? Is there anything GOOD that the CIA/NSA ever does? Oh yeah, they protect our liberties by denying liberty to millions, er, billions of other people. Fuck them.
Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:21 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Chile worked out very well.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:30 | Link to Comment atomicwasted
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A military dictatorship = working out well?  You'll love the next 20 years in the US!

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Allende would have taken Chile down Chavez style. Instead, Chile is a model economy and civilisation.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 15:12 | Link to Comment Nikao7
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So you are a fan of Pinochet?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 15:16 | Link to Comment trader1
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yea, i also can't tell if he's /sarcing or not...

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:15 | Link to Comment AZLagun
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Once a terrorist now a freedom fighter.  Where have I seen this before?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:19 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Bill Ayers, possible ghost writer of at least one of obama's precocious autobiographies, and key personality in the launch of his political career.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment taketheredpill
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George Washington

 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment johny2
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And president of USA at the time?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Cookie
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If only the world had politicians with his courage and integrity these days

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:17 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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The courage to stay in prison for 27 years? I'd like to see some of that for actual traitors to the Republic.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:16 | Link to Comment kralizec
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Well, sure.  He was a commie, back then CIA hated commies, now it works for all sorts of socialists right and left!

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:17 | Link to Comment The Abstraction...
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The CIA had Kennedy done in, back then. It was financing the communists in the Vietnamese war. It is all a game for them. War is the means to kill youth. Always has been.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:16 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Was this guy a saint? Yeah I get it, we are supposed to think such, and say such, but wasnt this guy locatable on a political spectrum worth talking about in general terms at least?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:17 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Obama created a financial apartheid United States.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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The financial sector bankrolled Obama's 2008 campaign.

On the other hand, the Dem M.O in fundraising is an endless cycle of shakedowns, the related protection payments and of course revolving doors. Fascism has many fathers, and mothers. Take Jamie Gorelick, please.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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He didn't do it by himself. ;oD

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:16 | Link to Comment esum
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since when does the CIA defer to the State department.... and let's not forget the 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns by Mandella... Tellingly, not only did Mandela refuse to renounce violence, Amnesty refused to take his case stating “[the] movement recorded that it could not give the name of ‘Prisoner of Conscience’ to anyone associated with violence, even though as in ‘conventional warfare’ a degree of restraint may be exercised.”

 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:16 | Link to Comment prains
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one man's terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter. It's the winner that gets to decide on which side of that legder they fall

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:17 | Link to Comment akarc
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"and let's not forget the 156 acts of public violence"

How many acts of public violence against race were/have been committed in our own country re race? WTF was the civil war?

How many acts of government sponsored violence occur here in the "homeland" (remember Occupy) while we turn our own heads.

Just examples to pose the question, are we really the ones that should be throwing stones?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:18 | Link to Comment Kaiser Sousa
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"my country tis' of thee...

sweet land of liberty...

of thee i sing..."

NOT.....

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:22 | Link to Comment Dr. Venkman
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From a global perspective, better off imprisoned then dead, I suppose. If Mandela was not imprisoned and ultimately became a moderate voice of the ANC (this seems unlikely,) the ANC probably would have had him killed. Probably by his own wife's hand.

An intriguing life.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:25 | Link to Comment PaperBear
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The inglorious CIA, the 'defenders' of freedom worldwide, NOT.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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They most certainly are.

Defenders of our Rulers' freedoms to steal, kill, and enslave.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment Creeps
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I honestly don’t know what to think of Mandela.  He was a communist against apartheid, so I see that as evil fighting evil only to establish another evil government.  Can anyone point me to some articles that doesn’t hold him up as some demi-god but doesn’t denigrate him as a devil?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:54 | Link to Comment NOTaREALmerican
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They are stacked on the shelves with Reagan, Roosevelt,  Washington, Lincoln, & Churchill and every other male the dumbasses need bullshit about so they can either worship them or hate them.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:04 | Link to Comment lasvegaspersona
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The future will reveal that Marx got the basic struggle and the parties involved wrong.

Fofoa has done a very interesting analysis of the way the monetary system impacts all of us and his conclusion is that the struggle is between debtors (who demand easy, inflating money) versus savers (who want hard stable money). When society demands that debts become easier to pay they are asking the printer of currency to destroy the currency. This hurts savers (the old, the cautious) and usually destroys their retirement.

His analysis and solutions can be found here:  http://fofoa.blogspot.com/2010/07/debtors-and-savers.html

This is one of his best pieces and worth the read. If you understand what he is saying it can change your perspective on more than just the monetary system.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:12 | Link to Comment akarc
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My fear would be pointing you in a direction that that would confirm a particluar bias.  It is a frame of reference sort of thing. How were you taught to believe what is it is you believe about anything? Where I born black in aparthied South Africa I would consider Mandella a hero. Were I born in a back woods Mississippi town (prob. an unfair illustration to  make a point) I prob. would not know who Mandella was, or care. 

Were I born in the mideast I would probably worship Allah and be biased against Christians and only tolerate America for the money it sends my way.

The phrase "walk a mile in my shoes" is apropo.

Mandella fought for "His" people. He went to jail and suffered. He came out of jail, forgave his enemies and tried to do good.  If only the rest of us could find such courage.  

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:15 | Link to Comment The Abstraction...
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Black or white, communist, or otherwise, we all know who the usurers are.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:21 | Link to Comment Creeps
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My bias is against the media holding him up as some saint, he was incarnated for some heinous crimes.  But I do agree with your last sentence people can change for the better, and rare is the man that steps down from power.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment fallout11
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There is little in the world that is black and white, only various shades of grey.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:39 | Link to Comment darteaus
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Nice use of black and white in an article about Mandela and Apartheid!

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 15:03 | Link to Comment Creeps
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And that is why Mandela and articles about him set off my BS detector, because he's some shade of grey, but the MSM is presenting only the revered side of him.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment Calculus99
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Americans are some of the worlds loveliest people (no I'm not being sarcastic).

So how the hell does the country end up with a government, full of Americans, that's downright scary?

When I was a youngster, during the cold war (around 1980), I used to have nightmares about red Russia. Now, I have nightmares about the US. Something is fucking wrong with that I tell you. 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:40 | Link to Comment Cannon Fodder
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My opinion is that it is that "loveliest"ness that is the cause. We want / do believe in the good of others. "oh the government would never do anything wrong" which allows the more evil people to take advantage of the system out of greed. I think we probably need more healthy does of cycnicism...

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment Boxed Merlot
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I think we probably need more healthy does of cycnicism...

 

 

Amen.

Most Americans with a cursory Christian taint hold that human beings are basically good but capable of doing evil.  Christian theology however holds quite the opposite as true.  Human beings are inherently evil but capable of doing good.  The death / resurrection meme espoused by way of the Christian sacraments of baptism and communion scream this truth too, but are still, unfortunately easily glossed over and forgotten in the day to day grind of getting by.  The good we do is the deceit we project to cover our true nature.

Paradoxically, understanding this to be the case allows for a more thankful, peaceful and comfortable state of mind.

 

Jmo.

 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:08 | Link to Comment NOTaREALmerican
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+1

The secret of success is duplicity, the secret to happiness is self-delusion.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:33 | Link to Comment Quus Ant
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what if happiness is the definition of success?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:28 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Most people are animals that must be civilized to become human.

Unfortunately, that doesn't happen often enough.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:42 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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the greatest crimes are apathy and passivity

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:52 | Link to Comment ThisIsBob
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Well, there certainally is too much apathy around here.  But who cares?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment akarc
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had ta up ya. That was funny.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:21 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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it's a close call, but the a-judge says you are now disqualified

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment darteaus
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Do you really think he cares?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:37 | Link to Comment darteaus
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What's apathy?  [I'm ignorant]

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:44 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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So initiating aggression isn't so bad? Raping is better than not helping a rape victim?

The US would be worse country if it were apathetic and passive?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 15:54 | Link to Comment Ponzi Pontiff
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Evil does as evil does.  A snake cannot help but be a snake.

But those who see the evil being done, recognise it as evil, and do nothing ... whilst telling themselves and the world that they are good?

Take your fucking head out of your anusocracy and, you know, think about what was being said.

The most heinous crimes are apathy and passivity.  Why?  Because without those, evil - and the crimes you rightly call out as evil - cannot exist.  A snake cannot help but be a snake, but it can only stay alive in a world not populated by snake-killers.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 20:45 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Kick the fucking evil shits out of society. Just like we do with SNAKES.

If they weren't in society, idiots like you wouldn't whine about 'apathy and passivity'.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:47 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Utopian magical thinking.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:56 | Link to Comment akarc
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By not having balls enough to stand up for the rights of others. 

"First they came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me."

 Martin-Niemöller

 

You will find many haters on this site that do not appear to understand this quote. And that my friend is why we have what we have today.


Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:20 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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yep....

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:34 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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I understand it, and you don't.

"First they..."

"Then they..."

"Then they..."

"Then they..."

The problem is 'they'.

Government

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:09 | Link to Comment akarc
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And the government is, "we the people"!  "They" is "US".  

As long as two people live there will be no such thing as "no government".

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 20:54 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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"And the the government is, "we the people"!"

You are really out of touch with reality if you believe that.

No such thing as no government? So two centuries of Iceland not having a government didn't occur?

Xeer didn't exist either?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:35 | Link to Comment darteaus
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"First the came for the Nazis...

Then they came for the child molesters...

Then they came for the serial killers...

Then they came for me..."

And I say: 'Bout time.

 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 15:25 | Link to Comment trader1
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+1

 

 

„Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten, 
habe ich geschwiegen, 
ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten, 
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie mich holten, 
gab es keinen mehr,
der protestieren konnte.“

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 16:29 | Link to Comment Blano
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No one speaks for me anymore already, and all those clowns are still here.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:58 | Link to Comment Irwin Fletcher
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I think the average voter knows, at least subconsciously, that if they don't vote for the establishment, then there won't be as much oil available for American usage in the near term. They're willing to scare other countries in pursuit of that end.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:01 | Link to Comment NOTaREALmerican
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Most of what people believe - and believed - about America is bullshit.  

It's just another country run by sociopaths trying to get more power anyway they can.   

The American dumbasses never had control over their rulers,  but - all throughout our history - they always had "those people" to hate so they had a common enemy, which is really all dumbasses need.    Now, we only have ourselves to hate, which has resulted in a society feeding on itself.  

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:16 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Your assumption about Americans is wrong. A country has a government that reflects the general morality of the population. What kind of government would the US have if 98% of the people were libertarian and anarchist? Would it be killing people throughout the world and stealing trillions of dollars?

No, the 98% of Americans that think that morality is a tool used to control and use others as objects are the same useless idiots that make up 98% of all other countries.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:33 | Link to Comment darteaus
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"So how the hell does the country end up with a government, full of Americans, that's downright scary?"

Because: JERKS ALWAYS DEMAND TO BE IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING!

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:33 | Link to Comment gafgroocK
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All I know that when they drag Mandela into ESPN Sports coverage, it requires ESPN showing the Obamaster.

Nothing is safe from this guy.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:37 | Link to Comment Charles Nelson ...
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the propaganda will only get worse as things progress

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment akarc
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God forbid anything interrupt, "ESPN Sports coverage."

Please God, don't tell me they interrupted Facebook too, arghhhhhhhhhh........

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:37 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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Mandella also said, a long time ago, that the US was the focus of criminal atrocities

Empires are all the same

But there is a big difference between the guy who just died and the man helping to kill the US now

Here's to you Nelson

More of us should put our principles before our prisons

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment akarc
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"Mandella also said, a long time ago, that the US was the focus of criminal atrocities"

And still is via the same players. CIA, NSA, TBTF or To big to prosecute, Corporations allowed to destablize the American economy by shipping our industrial/manufacturing base to our enemies while avoiding taxes on the profits, killing worker representation while allowing corporate unions to purchase government officials, subverting the constitution through government and corporate sponsored propaganda and any/all other activities that in a bygone day would be considered treason but are now laughingly referred to as free market capitalism!  

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:45 | Link to Comment Mercury
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Hey, it was prime-time Cold War back then and Mandela was, at the time,  a dyed-in-the-wool Marxist/Lennist commie - which trumped his racial justice crusader status.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:43 | Link to Comment CharlieMike
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The only ones who regard this man as a hero are the ones who either don't know, don't want to know or don't remember the people he murdered.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:01 | Link to Comment Mercury
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I'm sure there was natiness on both sides and I don't claim to know the exact score on that even though I think ending apartheid was a positive outcome. I'm just pointing out that preserving white superiority throughout the world wasn't a top foreign policy goal of the USA in 1962 lest anyone be led astray by the Grey Lady (which makes no mention of Mandela's Marxist/Leninist affiliation you'll notice).

But Mandela saw that light and eventually dropped all that. He also voluntarily stepped-down from power which almost no one in Africa does. So, two cheers for that.

I'm not sure about Obama on the former and just last week there was an editorial in the Washington Post about getting rid of the 22nd amendment so Obama could be president indefinitely.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:07 | Link to Comment taketheredpill
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"Nelson Mandela, who was the commander of MK, had developed the "M Plan" (Mandela Plan), a programme of controlled sabotage, launching a guerilla war modelled upon the FLN's struggle in Algeria. Its policy involved the targeting of state buildings for sabotage without resorting to murder. On 16 December 1961 MK carried out its first acts of sabotage by assaulting post offices and other structures in Johannesburg, Port Elizabeth and Durban. Many other acts of sabotage would take place over the next few years. In its first eighteen months, MK carried out about 200 acts of sabotage, but despite its policy, some deaths did occur."

RE: Necklacing

As far as all the retarded comments about necklacing go, if I was fighting for my freedom, not allowed to vote and treated worse than farm animals because of my "racial inferiority", and I found out someone was an informer, then they are obstacles in the way of freedom for me and my family and they should go.  ASAP. But if they die slowly, no big deal, especially if it prevents other people from becoming informers.  Like Rumsfeld (Cheney? Robespierre?) said, if you want to make an omelette etc. etc.

 

 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 15:51 | Link to Comment falak pema
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SO were Mossadegh and Nehru branded as Commies...by the Dulleses.

"It was the Cold War then" is the meme that tarred everybody with the same brush like the Hollywood 10.

When a country denies the right of foreign people to choose their own destinies and betrays presumption of innocence, we are in what is commonly called State Fascist mentality; not nation state strict neutrality, as per UN code which had US signature as prime initiator as of 1945. 

It hasn't changed since in good ole USA, and Patriot's Act has now extended it to US citizens and to potential enemies WITHOUT Trial and habeus Corpus and NSA spying further to 5 billion people whose private lives are now metadata'd in presumption of guilt.

Some dyed in the wool fascist fools run the world too. 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:42 | Link to Comment maskone909
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im so sick of hearing about nelson mandela

 

you all do understand with the media hyping this up, the message is clear:

ALL HOPE FOR LIBERTY AND EQUALITY JUST DIED

read between the lines

 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:44 | Link to Comment Save_America1st
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Nelson Mandela was an executive member of the South African Communist Party.  He was Marxist scum, plain and simple.

The world-wide Socialist scum love to adore and martar their own scum.  Kinda like obama being given the Nobel Peace prize in order to "launder" him in the eyes of the world.

Wash, rinse, repeat...give each other worthless awards, prizes, and titles to make the sheeple slaves worship their slave owners.

 

 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:44 | Link to Comment The Abstraction...
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When the alternative is a racist Zionist elite financed by megabanks, can you blame him? I, as an Englishman, understand what its like to be ruled by foreign potentates.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:10 | Link to Comment Mercury
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Oh please, 100 years ago the world was covered with a pink rash.

 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment The Abstraction...
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Led by the Rothschild Sassoons.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:29 | Link to Comment Save_America1st
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that doesn't excuse any of that shit in my book, man...not one bit.  Marxist scumbags are still covering this planet like swarms of locusts and cockroaches. 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:57 | Link to Comment akarc
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Why you reading a book that is full of "shit"?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 19:38 | Link to Comment Save_America1st
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oh, so you approve of Marxism?  Do tell, genius...please expound on the virtues and wisdom of collectivism to the audience.

Can't wait to hear this...

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 10:50 | Link to Comment akarc
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What comment or post are you reading that indicates approval of Marxism? You are truly off your meds. 

Like the little kid in the mivie said, "I see ghosts.............."

And he did.

But he didn't see marxists.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 15:31 | Link to Comment trader1
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you are a piece of work. is that you sara palin? ;-)

ich liebe dich.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment assistedliving
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back from SA safari this Sept.  Capetown is a paradise.  except for the people.  stayed at the Graff Estate Stellenbosch http://www.delaire.co.za/   top ten best hotel in the world but think SS including the artwork.  Just becuz white men wrote, invented, painted, built & conquered just about everything doesnt mean u hv to be such assholes.  at a hi end chocolatier, personally saw some privileged white afrikaner byatch berating a slow moving clerk who barely understood english.  all SA govt personnel now black afrikaners and the whites resent the hell out of it.  on the helicopter over Victoria Falls w/ three Afrikaners talking to the pilot about Mandela's health, they replied in unison "Nelson Mandela?  Who is he?" and laughed.  cudnt get out of paradise fast enuf

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment NOTaREALmerican
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He was one of the "those people" back then.    The CIA doesn't worry about "those people" anymore.   Just turbine wearin' Muslums sneek-er cross-er boarders.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment KingTut
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Anybody like Mandela will necessarily be a complex person.  Just remember our founding fathers easily qualified as traitors and terrorists by today's standards.  Violence is necessary to produce change that is strongly resisted by the status quo.  Once the violence has served its purpose, if you set aside your wepaons and work peacefully to build a functioning society, then you become a freedom fighter instead of a muderous revolutionary.

Yes Mandela was communist, especially in his early days with the ANC.  But that was naive idealism just as it was for the Bolsheviks.  They went down the road of murderous tyrants, which led to Stalin.  But Mandela worked tirelssly from prison on mostly non-violent political solutions. Although he was always a socilalist, his legacy was to fight for and achieve basic freedoms for the black population of South Africa.

The whites of South Africa were ready pack up and leave when the ANC took over.  They feared mass recriminations that would have forced them to abandon everything they had built for over 400 years. But thanks to Mandela and DeClerk the transition was peaceful, and successful.  That's Mandela's legacy, which is to be admired even if you disagree with his politcal philosohy (which were taught in the white religious schools attended by Mandela and his cohorts).

His death has been feared as the end of the era of moderation.  The fear remains that the current black leadership of the ANC, which is now pretty much completely corrupt, will still force the issue, causing the white population to leave.  The Irony is that the whites have been there for centuries, but a huge percentage of the black population are migrant workers from other parts of Africa.  They came for the jobs, even though most of them brought few skills and virtually no education.  By their numbers they are now the ones electing governments.  

One can only hope that a government as reasonble as Nelson Mandela  can replace what they have now. 

 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:28 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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welll said

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:29 | Link to Comment JR
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The “radicals” who took on England to form the United States were fighters for freedom, not racism. To turn property over to non-property owners and justify widespread violence against the White population of South Africa is not a noble undertaking.

And the fruits born by America’s freedom fighters are quite different from those produced by Mandela.

Author Ilana Mercer wrote in War on White Africa, World Net Daily, April 9 2010:

“[T]he oleaginous officials of the African National Congress (Mandela's gang)…share with their admirers in the West a determination to ignore (and perhaps to encourage) the black onslaught against white South African farmers, or Boers (who happen to feed the Continent). Those of us who've been studying the systematic, race-based extermination of farming South Africa know too well the telltale signs of a farm murder. Without exception, Mr. Terre'Blanche and all 3149 farmers murdered since "freedom" were slaughtered in ways that would do Shaka Zulu proud. 

“The brutality of the racially motivated murders of white farmers in South Africa, and, increasingly, of whites in general, is one aspect of these crimes. Mr. Terre'Blanche was unrecognizable. Two weeks before he was slaughtered, seventeen-year-old Anika Smit was raped, her throat slashed sixteen times and her hands hacked off and removed from the scene.

“Both acts of butchery were unremarkable in Mandela's South Africa.

“The dehumanization of the victim ? Crimen injuria in South African law ? is another feature of these feral acts. When they were finished with him, Terre'Blanche's killers pulled down the old man's pants, exposing his privates. Slain white farmers are often displayed like trophies by their black killers.

Mr. Terre'Blanche was a victim of a farm murder, plain and simple. 

“Afrikaner farmers are being exterminated at the genocidal annual rate of 313 per 100,000 inhabitants. Or, in the estimation of Dr. Gregory H. Stanton who heads "Genocide Watch," "four times as high as is for the rest of the population," making farming in South Africa the most dangerous occupation in the world.”

http://www.ilanamercer.com/phprunner/public_article_list_view.php?editid1=543#ixzz2miTAoyck 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:58 | Link to Comment WallowaMountainMan
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"To turn property over to non-property owners and justify widespread violence against the White population of South Africa is not a noble undertaking."

 

 

simply crap.

apply the same meme to our'civil' war.

poor, misbegotten whites being killed just because they used slaves as property to make money for themselves.

 

certainly a revealing post, there jr.

 

:)

 

p.s. in case you don't recall, the 'freedom' won in our first revolution was not fought for freedom for all and was not one that treated all men as 'created equal'.

or women for that matter.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:53 | Link to Comment JR
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America’s founding documents show what the revolution was all about -- and the nation that developed became the greatest exhibition of freedom in the history of the world.

How can you dismiss these achievements with your abstractions? Because of the Constitution, slavery was eventually eliminated and would have been eliminated without the Civil War if it had not been for banker-motivated northern interests forcing the South into war; remember Lincoln started it. South Carolina only wanted to exercise its right to exit.

America's Founders, designed and gave their lives to build the most just, equitable and prosperous government model in the history of the world, proven in the years following its inception. To look back with sexism, race, and disparity of wealth as sole perimeters is to view history in error.

Specifically, let’s review slavery.

In 1808 a law was passed in the United States forbidding the importation of slaves.

The Somerset v Stewart (1772) judgment by Lord Mansfield was limited to the issue of whether a person, regardless of slave status, could be removed from England against his will.

According to Wikipedia: “Under the leadership of Thomas Jefferson, the new state of Virginia in 1778 became the first state and one of the first jurisdictions anywhere to stop the importation of slaves for sale; it made it a crime for traders to bring in slaves from out of state or from overseas for sale; migrants from other states were allowed to bring their own slaves. The new law freed all slaves brought in illegally after its passage and imposed heavy fines on violators.”

As Harbanger wrote recently on ZH: Slavery was not an American phenomenon, it was the global norm.  The 1st abolition of slavery in the US was Pennsylvania in 1780.  Canada had slaves until 1830, Brazil for example abolished slavery in 1888.

As Manthong wrote: If you want to see the horridness of slavery go to Africa…

if you want to see where it was stopped.. go to the USA.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 17:30 | Link to Comment WallowaMountainMan
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yours is a non responsive comment.

address that which i quoted at the top of my post. for your convienience here are you words:

"To turn property over to non-property owners and justify widespread violence against the White population of South Africa is not a noble undertaking."

to which i commented "simply crap...."

 

 

:)

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 20:04 | Link to Comment JR
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Perhaps, then you’d like to look at this week’s damage and the rows of white crosses with the names of the dead farmers.

But then again, as George Orwell said of people such as yourself: “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.”

Farm attacks are normal... because they're hungry: Almost beaten to death for his dentures | 3 December 2013 (with pix, just for you)

 

Farm attackers (there’s a term for them here - even though you can't actually attack a farm) almost beat a man to death close to Zeerust for his dentures, a cell phone and a shovel.

If it weren’t for the fact that the attackers’ pistol failed to fire a few times, Stephen Joubert (61) would’ve been dead. Due to his injuries and the loss of his dentures, he couldn’t convey the details of the attack close to the pig sties on the farm, Vaalkop.

There was gold in the dentures.

Mariëtte van der Westhuizen said that her husband, Pieter, had to go to Johannesburg Friday evening. (29 November 2013). Pieter asked Joubert to feed the pigs. Joubert also lives on the van der Westhuizen’s farm and is a partner in their safari-company.

Joubert went to the pig sties which are about 2km from the house on a motorbike. At around 20:45, Mariëtte started getting worried about Joubert and went to look for him with a torch, pistol and 5 vicious dogs.

“His hands were tied so tightly with wire that they were swollen and almost black. They kicked him, jumped on him and hit him with a shovel.”

The attackers demanded that Joubert give them his dentures when they spotted a bit of gold in them. He sustained various stab wounds to his head and eventually fainted.

The doctor who tended to him in hospital said that if he remained tied for a bit longer, he would’ve lost his hands and feet due to impaired blood flow.

http://www.beeld.com/nuus/2013-12-02-byna-doodgeslaan-vir-sy-valstande

Basically, there would've been another cross at the 'white cross monument' in Ysterberg close to Polokwane if their pistol worked. So Stephen is just another 'lucky one' who got away with his life.

Tell me people; if your booty is a set of dentures, a shovel and a cell phone, do you need to do this to someone? Do you need to shoot him? I'm sure if you pointed a gun at me and asked for my dentures, my cell phone and a shovel, I would've given it to you without much of a fuss.

THIS WAS A RACIST HATE CRIME!

AT LEAST CRAZY OLD BOB MUGABE AND IDI AMIN HAD THE DECENCY TO PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE THAT WHITE FARMERS SHOULD GET OFF THEIR LAND.

THE ANC HAS A FAR MORE SINISTER APPROACH TO GET RID OF WHITE FARMERS.
(while they're sitting in their multi-million rand houses, stuffing themselves with the food the farmers produce every day)…

http://www.thetruthaboutsouthafrica.com/

 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 20:37 | Link to Comment WallowaMountainMan
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while murder is murder, you miss the bigger context. the masters vs the slaves....color is happenstance.

:)

 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment akarc
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"Perhaps, then you’d like to look at this week’s damage and the rows of white crosses with the names of the dead farmers."

"But then again, as George Orwell said of people such as yourself: “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.” 

Then turn on the TV and watch representatives of different races and religions dancing together in the streets to celebrate Mandellas life.  But then again, like the moon landing it is probably fake. I know that to be true because the only site I ever visit about the moon landing continues to tell me it is over and over and over................

Becuase if I google "murders in South Africa" I find statistics all over the place, but much of it as in this country, black on black, and a predominent casual factor, e.g. poverty. Go FUCKING FIGURE!

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 15:00 | Link to Comment Frank N. Beans
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There were blacks in southern Africa long before white people settled, though it may be true that more blacks came to work in the mines and on the white farms.  The whites were more powerful, and in South Africa they put the blacks into homelands.  This is very similar to what America did to the American Indians, putting them on reservations, in many cases far from their ancestral homeland.

 

 

 

 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 06:03 | Link to Comment TheObsoleteMan
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Does everyone see what we have to contend with here? Public education on display for all to see. BIG BAD STRAIGHT WHITE MAN, EVIL!! Everybody else is good and a victim. Indians have it made now. Better than blacks, because they have casinos!  Everybody else has Affirmative Action or a Federal job. The psychology of the greatest con ever fostered:WHITE GUILT.  Well guess what MFers, I am responsible for what I DO, AND NOT FOR ANYONE ELSE. And sure as phuk not what someone else did a century before I was even born. GO TO HELL, AND TAKE YOUR GUILT TRIP WITH YOU!!!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 12:47 | Link to Comment akarc
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"Indians have it made now. Better than blacks, because they have casinos! "

You ever been out on the res bro. You have proven yourself severly uneducated.

"Does everyone see what we have to contend with here? "

Actually some of us that have been reading this site from the beginning wonder how it became  gathering place for people like you other than a healthy respect for the 1st amendment as your presence cheapens the site.  But there are times when I have to wonder if the Koch brothers do not pay minions to cheapen the site so that those who may learn the truth about the real power grab will stay away and remain ignorant.  But then hey, I will continue to supprt your first ammentment rights to express yourself. Helps  me to identify a real dick.

This from an OLD WHITE STRAIGHT GUY who has actually gone into a fucking bank and raised hell. 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Duude
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"Mr. Mandela is scheduled to visit the United States beginning June 20 for a five-city tour that will include talks with President Bush and a speech before a joint meeting of Congress."

 

Me thinks when depending so much upon copy+paste when assembling a column it ought be followed up with proofreading what you're pasting before you post.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment The Proletariat
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You better stop thinking then dumbass:

 

"From the New York Times, June 10, 1990:"

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:24 | Link to Comment darteaus
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BWA-HAHAHA!!

+1

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment Bugsquasher
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So then in the context of the times the CIA got it right on Mandela.  Even a broken watch is right twice a day.  Just look at the rampant crime (worlds highest murder and rape rates), 50% unemployment and criminally corrupt government and the tell me how bad things were when the whites controlled things.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:48 | Link to Comment JR
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There were roughly 128, 000 commercial farmers in South Africa in 1980. Today there are 40, 000 commercial farmers left in South Africa.

Mandela’s key adviser was a Lithuanian-born Jewish Communist, Joe Slovo, who officially was named secretary general of the South African Communist Party in 1986 and who planned many of the terrorist bombings and killings in which Mandela took part.

Mandela and his Communist pal, Slovo, actually are on film chanting a pledge to kill all Whites in South Africa (while every nationalist in America is smeared by the US banker press)  .  As author Ilana Mercer wrote in War on White Africa:

"As hard as it is for stupid Westerners to believe, there was life before black majority rule. The white minority settled the tip of the African continent around the same time Americans settled this one. Like their American coreligionists, the puritans of South Africa built the country currently being dismantled by the black majority. And, lo ? they had a national life and an anthem: Die Stem

"Here's a verse of that old 'hate speech':

In the golden warmth of summer, In the chill of winter's air, In the surging life of springtime, In the autumn of despair; When the wedding bells are chiming, Or when those we love depart, Thou dost know us for thy children And dost take us to thy heart. Loudly peals the answering chorus; We are thine, and we shall stand, Be it life or death, to answer Thy call, beloved land. 

"Die Stem is a paean to God and country, and rather beautiful at that. Western journalists hunt in packs.

"The AP is only aping the ANC, according to which the old anthem is unsavory, but not the hit jingle, "Kill The Boer; Kill the Farmer." For it, says the ANC, does no more than pay homage to the Party's illustrious history. (Agreed: incitement to murder is a fitting ANC anthem.)"

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 15:38 | Link to Comment trader1
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you're forgiven if you are just a victim of brainwashing.

you're forgiven if you are doing this with malicious intent to deceive.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 16:00 | Link to Comment JR
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Unlike you, I can't find it in my heart to forgive someone who purposely distorts history in such a dangerous way. FYI, the Boers settled and developed the Transvaal region of South Africa in the 17th Century, more than 400 years ago. The Boers where there when colonial powers began settlements following a brief period of Portugese dominance in the area, South Africa went through two major periods of colonialization. The first was that of the Dutch Cape Colony, in 1652.

Bartolomeu Dias was the first European to explore this cape region in 1488.

The British, as well as Americans, often fail to react to the atrocities left behind by their countrymen in wars fought for the monied interests because such is taboo topic in the MSM.

The Rothschild formula of a ‘managed conflict’ for the First World War originated from the difficulty they had encountered in defeating the Boers (early Dutch who had settled  unoccupied farm lands in South Africa) from 1899 to 1901… .

“In 1889, because of the discovery of vast wealth in gold and diamond in South Africa, the Rothschilds came back to loot the nation with 400,000 British soldiers pitted against 30,000 ‘irregulars,’ that is farmers with rifles…

“The British fought a ‘no prisoner,’ scorched earth war, destroying farms, and mercilessly shooting down Boers who tried to surrender,” according to The World Order.  “It was in this war that the institution of ‘concentration camps’ was brought to the world… 

“This genocidal policy would next be used by the Rothschild financed Bolsheviks in Russia, who adopted the Boer War concept to murder 66 million Russians between 1917 and 1967…”

There was never any popular reaction to either of these atrocities…

Excerpt from Jews Took Over South Africa:

South Africa has its politics, just like any other country. The big issues were diamonds, gold and race. Various peoples have moved in, moved out or coexisted more or often  less comfortably. Later the issue of race was used by Jews to take over. But first they took over the diamond and gold production. They were the sources of serious money. Oppenheimer took control of the diamond mining. Joe Slovo, a Jew from Latvia and other Jews took over the South African Communist Party. They also controlled or at the very least were very influential in the African National Congress [ ANC ],  a black organisation which they used to incite black hatred of  Brit and Boer but NOT Jew.

Having used real and imaginary grievances against the Boers and their Apartheid policy in particular they moved on to guerrilla operations, terrorism as well as industrial sabotage and economic attack.

The government captured a number of the leaders at Rivonia. Others went on the run. Slovo spent time in London and when he was there was in contact with other Jews. They used the BBC and other media operations like the Guardian to cause an economic boycott of South African produce of all sorts except South African diamonds and gold. Oppenheimer sent the diamonds went to Israel or Amsterdam to be cut so the origin was lost to the buyer.

Public sources do not tell us how much contact there was between Oppenheimer, the Jewish big business man, who controlled diamond mining and the Jewish communists. They certainly knew about each other. The subversives needed money to pay for operations and living expenses. Oppenheimer wanted to be able to carry on mining and using blacks. An accommodation would have made sense to both of them. Jewish treachery is par for the course. Ditto for secrecy.

The National Party [ Boer ] ruled until 1994 when, weakened by economic sabotage, guerrilla attacks, media abuse and international political disfavour they allowed elections and lost to the ANC. This was hailed by the media as a major triumph, which it was for the Jews. It has also made a lot of money for the new in-crowd. It has also got the crime industry into a major up turn. Blacks were not the winners.

See what is being done in Africa amid a wave of media indifference at Conservation In Zimbabwe or at Wonderful Multicultural South Africa

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 12:43 | Link to Comment akarc
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In America the corporate/government alliance is the  Crime industry!

"It has also got the crime industry into a major up turn"

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:50 | Link to Comment trader1
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the problem with that narrative, although partially factual, is that it relies on a "guilt by association" framework designed to stoke hatred of select groups of people.  it's so elementary, yet a lot of simple-minded folk will eat it up.    

i could craft a similar narrative using the same technique you do to paint all american christians as sociopathic war criminals just by associating them with george w. bush.

 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:04 | Link to Comment JR
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Talk about hypocrisy. It was the radical left from Berkeley to Communist operations in the United States such as the ADL that started the whole divestment wave to get Mandela out of prison. And it was these Communist shadow groups working closely with banker interests to open up South Africa for commercial exploitation.

Where in this report are the reasons for Mandela’s arrest - the murders, the farm attacks, the chants of kill the Whites? Where’s the Communist cooperation and continued effort? Where is the commemorative Soviet stamp with Mandela’s picture. Where are the works and adherence Mandela expressed to the teachings of Mao, Stalin and Lenin?

Yes, we should interrupt the vast accolades to this “hero,” but let’s do it with the truth. And the New York Times is no place to find it.

Please, in this article, is there no sense of true history? When Mandela was convicted of more than 200 acts of violence, the world’s superpowers were locked in a struggle for control and influence encompassing many African nations - the Soviets providing arms and assistance to advance world communism, the US attempting to undermine and block these efforts.

Today’s CIA, thanks to Leftist policies and a virtual takeover of America’s media and the direction of its government (in which outlets such as the NY Times played a substantial role), is a far different agency than the Communist-fighting CIA during the period over the struggle for South Africa.

With the help of US liberalism, the Communists won in South Africa, overturning property rights and even the rule of law and right to life to create what has become a Third World country.

Today, according to author Pete Papaherakles, South Africa “went from being the safest country in Africa, to being the rape and murder capital of the world. In Johannesburg, 5,000 people are murdered every year. Unemployment went from 5% in 1994 to 50% today. South Africa also has the largest number of people infected with HIV/AIDS in the world. In 2007, over 18% of adults, or 5,700,000 people had AIDS. In 2010, an estimated 280,000 died of AIDS.”

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:33 | Link to Comment akarc
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"And it was these Communist shadow groups working closely with banker interests to open up South Africa for commercial exploitation."

Strange alliance wouldn't your think?  Communist and Captialists working together to achieve different goals? nah.....

 

 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:18 | Link to Comment darteaus
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What evidence do you have that "banker interests" are "Capitalists"?

Seems to me that "banker interests" and Communists are just interested in the same thing: absolute power.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 15:48 | Link to Comment falak pema
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'Cos the capitalists aren't? 

What sort of logic is that in the face of historical Fact, from Rockafella days to today?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 12:38 | Link to Comment akarc
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All forms of government once corrupted are only interested in absolute power.  Totalitarian forms of government come in many names and guises, e.g.  representative democracy.

I n the U.S. I would still say, Kleptocracy would be the better definition. For those that root for Anarchy you may have close to what you want. At least if you are one of the priviledged. See the many articles on this site of Attorney Generals failure to apply the law.  We are experiencing the same disaster as the bureaucratic class system of the soviet decline.  Our tunnel vision is such that we never see how we practice/engage in the same evils we judge other for.

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