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Just Two Charts

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"Earnings" matter... until they don't. What's wrong with these two charts?

 

EBITDA -7% from previous peak...

 

S&P 500 nominal price +15% from previous peak...

 

Still think stocks are "cheap" compared to the last cycle?

 

Charts: Bloomberg

 

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Fri, 12/06/2013 - 22:11 | 4223422 LetThemEatRand
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Two Charts.  One QEinfinity Golden Cup.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 12:16 | 4224426 jon dough
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One QEinfinity Golden (Shower) Cup.

 

With bleach, borax, and brighteners!

 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 22:36 | 4225795 Lets Buy The Dip
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yes I agree, You cannot have your cake and eat it too. 

But the overall chart of the market is looking insanely good. Did  you know in the last 50 years DECEMBER was the best performing month of the year, yes!

Have a look at the monthly chart of the SPX here => bit.ly/1bocbZf

This is a good chart, and shows that in 2013 the BEARS got hammered. There was only 2 red months since JAN. WOW! just WOW!

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 21:41 | 4223423 mofreedom
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We're running out of DA and can't replenish it.

T growing like a weed.

E nowhere to be found.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 21:49 | 4223442 Al Huxley
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They don't matter until credit starts to dry up - then they matter.  As long as the Fed's running the printers full tilt the delusion can continue, and who cares about multiples.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 01:14 | 4223774 Crash Overide
Sat, 12/07/2013 - 09:05 | 4224075 Seer
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That's great!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 12:45 | 4224488 moneybots
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"They don't matter until credit starts to dry up - then they matter.  As long as the Fed's running the printers full tilt the delusion can continue, and who cares about multiples."

 

Or not.  Quhat if China lands a contingent of troops on the Dialou islands?  All that money that has no where to go but the stock market, could suddenly be running elsewhere.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 21:50 | 4223448 frankTHE COIN
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Sweet. Low interest rates for companies to borrow and buy back their own stock. Now they have less shares. They generate less revenue but since they have less shares n interest expense they high jump over lowered earning expectations. Why did'nt we think of that.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 09:08 | 4224079 Seer
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Well.. I'd think that getting away from Wall Street isn't necessarily a bad idea (gets them out from under the thumnbs of hedge fund managers).  Watch as more and more go "private."

Wall Street & Fed going down...

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 10:16 | 4224129 Pig Circus
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"Why did'nt we think of that."

Yep, that's what I missed. I knew the demand would never be their. I missed the refi's and buybacks.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 21:54 | 4223457 remain calm
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So do REVENUES matter or PRICE TO SALES or EBITA? In a bubble nothing matters. Your looking at objective data and making rational conclusions. But bubbles are irrational, so they fucking don't matter.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 22:13 | 4223500 frankTHE COIN
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Revenues definitely don't matter. What seems obvious from those two charts is that with All this Fed/ juice, the EBITDA can't hit a manipulated All Time High like the S& P 500, Which Clearly screams we are in a Bubble.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 23:48 | 4223643 Fish Gone Bad
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Revenues definitely don't matter.

Yes they do.  People can ignore reality and pretend revenue doesn't matter, but they won't be able to ignore the consequences of making that mistake (ignoring reality).

Google: cafepress cursing fish

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 22:07 | 4223490 dark pools of soros
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BTC 690!!!  get em while they cheap!!!   keep stackin!

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 22:17 | 4223506 frankTHE COIN
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690 !! I don't know...I feel like you're driving a hard bargain.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 22:30 | 4223535 dark pools of soros
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hey..  tried to help out my fellow ZH'ers..  back over $800 again - snooze ya lose

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 22:36 | 4223548 dark pools of soros
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and of course sold over $800...  not hold, unless you are fonestar or something

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 22:18 | 4223509 ebworthen
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QE and the fucking FED.

Fucking backstop to reward the malfeasant banks.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 23:34 | 4223626 andrewp111
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EBITDA means Earnings Before Interest, Taxes and Depreciation. Interest rates are much much lower now, so GAAP earnings are actually higher than in 2007.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 05:57 | 4223960 hugovanderbubble
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BTC back to 350

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 06:29 | 4223986 happel
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Shut up. Stop thinking. BTFD. BTFATH. Get it, got it, good.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 11:50 | 4224369 Doubleth1nker
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There's nothing wrong with the charts.  Put up the one with the S&P against the Fed balance sheet.  That's all you need to know.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 12:08 | 4224412 island
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Still think stocks are "cheap" compared to the last cycle?

 

But what if through the magic of miracle accounting and tax credits (courtesy of you and me) EAITDA just happens to be + 10%!!  LOL.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 12:19 | 4224432 GreatUncle
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The FED pumping so much money into the system to prevent collapse is poisoning the markets with poor investments if there is any good ones to invest in and the return on this investment starts collapsing through over supply of liquidity with nowhere for it to go!

This is my blunt in your face, not technical reasoning.

Invest 100 dollars and get a 10 dollar return at 10%

Invest 10 dollars and get 10 dollars return thats 100%!

What we got is 1000 dollar investments the fixed 10 dollar return or very little change giving a 1% return.

Did I get that right?

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