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The Real US Unemployment Rate: 11.5%

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While it may appear at first glance that the first chart below shows just one data series, what we have shown are two data sets: one presents, on an inverted axis, the Civilian Employment-to-Population rate, which unlike the unemployment rate as a fraction of the labor force (most recently printing at just 7%), has barely budged since the Lehman collapse. The other data set shows what an implied unemployment rate as calculated by Zero Hedge would be assuming a long-term average of 65.8% worker labor participation rate.

As we reported earlier, according to the BLS this number most recently was 63.0%: a 20 bps rebound from the 35 year low posted in October, but still woefully wrong. The chart shows much more accurately what the real unemployment rate would be when looking at the overall noninstitutional population instead of the ever rising amount of Americans who for one reason or another are not in the labor force.

 

On the next chart, we then proceed to juxtapose the implied unemployment rate with the officially reported BLS data.

In short: applying a realistic labor force participation rate to the unemployment rate series, shows that the real US unemployment rate is now 11.5%, a 4.5% difference from the reported number, and the second highest ever, only better compared to October's 4.7%.

Of course, don't inform the Fed of this discrepancy: if aware, the Fed's monetary mandarins would likely never taper. Then again, if indeed the Fed never does taper as many suggest (since it is the flow, not the stock), we will know just which series of unemployment data the Fed is looking at.

 

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Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:36 | 4221358 wallstreetapost...
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Looks like things are getting better!  BTFD & BTFATH

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:47 | 4221400 Pooper Popper
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Urge to kill RISING,,fading,,,fading,,,,,RISING!!!

Homer Simpson

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:53 | 4221428 Headbanger
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“That propaganda is good which leads to success, and that is bad which fails to achieve the desired result. It is not propaganda’s task to be intelligent, its task is to lead to success.”
? Joseph Goebbels

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:02 | 4221463 Dr. Richard Head
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What's the big deal?  The reporting of the unemployment rate is only 95% LOWER than what it really is.  Remember, full faith and credit of the almighty DOHlar is what keeps the train moving, so if people believe it to be good then it will be good.  Just like Santa Clause. /sarc

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:04 | 4221474 Manthong
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Try doubling that number

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 17:37 | 4222842 TruthInSunshine
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41% of Net New Jobs in November Were in Government

No biggie. Only 1 in 5 people with a job in America work for government as it is. Let's have government hire MOAR!

"Federal, state and local governments hired a net additional 338,000 workers in November, equaling 41 percent of the total of 818,000 net additional jobs created in the United States during the month."

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/41-net-new-jobs-no...

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:04 | 4221467 Clint Liquor
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Local TV is running ads by 'companies' offering to get you approved for Social Security Disability. The pitch is: It is your RIGHT, even if you have been previously denied, many conditions you might not be aware of qualify, etc.

The good thing for Government is: If you are disabiled, you are not unemployed.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:03 | 4221468 derek_vineyard
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i gave up being actively negative on asset bubbles several months ago and slowed down my posts here.  when the debt and overspending does hit i'll join up here to say 'i told you so'.  meanwhile....i do what i do......and fuck what the markets say

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:08 | 4221483 Cortez
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But I went all in yesterday. 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:35 | 4221359 hedgeless_horseman
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Chocolate rations have been increased to 20 grams.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:40 | 4221378 prains
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....from 30 grams

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:50 | 4221422 SheepDog-One
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Does it got any weed up in it?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:08 | 4221452 hedgeless_horseman
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Does it got any weed up in it?

Soma.

"Swallowing half an hour before closing time, that second dose of soma had raised a quite impenetrable wall between the actual universe and their minds."

It's a Brave New World.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:30 | 4222113 NIHILIST CIPHER
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MOAR SOMA!!!!

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:36 | 4221360 22winmag
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Even 11.5% is generous...

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:42 | 4221390 Gankfest
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lol, so true!

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:10 | 4221486 Martial
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Yea I wonder what John Williams has it at.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:13 | 4221503 kralizec
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Does seem too low...

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:23 | 4221538 greatbeard
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>> Even 11.5% is generous...

I don't know.  For example, I just sold 40 strawberry runners for $10, effectively dropping me from the rolls of the long term unemployed.  A lot of people are falling into that category.  Bring in a coke bottle for a refund, off the list you go.  Find a quarter in a parking lot, off the list you go.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:36 | 4221362 frankTHE COIN
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Verbal Kint.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:22 | 4221536 maskone909
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but he's just a stupid cripple

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:37 | 4221364 NOTW777
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dont tell seeking obama aka seeking alpha - they are gushing at the wonderful numbers and quickly deleting any posts that question the same

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:38 | 4221366 q99x2
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I'm not in the labor force because of BitCoin so you can take me off of the graph.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:38 | 4221370 Ignatius
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Don't worry, self driving trucks are on the way.

We'll all be celebrating full employment soon if we can just kick-start the slumbering prison building program.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:52 | 4221429 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Don't worry, self driving trucks are on the way"...

I'm assuming by the same Company that develops the software for waiterless restaurants and checkout counters at every grocery store.

Good demand if you're a software developer, but I wouldn't want to be making that 3:00am call to Bangalore to get the code fixed when that truck is driving in the wrong lane!

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:35 | 4221578 akarc
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So Imagine

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/could-prime-air-drones-be-hacked-proba...

If Amazon wouldn't give a rats ass about your drone delivered camera how Applebee's will feel about your servant delivered meal. 

 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:09 | 4221751 Son of Captain Nemo
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Careful now.  Jeff wants only the best for us, just like Keith Alexander.

Re-using those wonderful words of George Herbert Walker after we annihilated Iraq in the first Gulf War

-"It's a kindler gentler drone"...

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:39 | 4221379 webspin
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Ugh! ZEROHEDGE

glass is half empty...

glass is half empty...

glass is half empty...

glass is half empty...

glass is half empty...

glass is half empty...

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:47 | 4221399 Skateboarder
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Ugh! REALITY

There are still no jobs tomorrow...

There are still no jobs tomorrow...

There are still no jobs tomorrow...

There are still no jobs tomorrow...

There are still no jobs tomorrow...

There are still no jobs tomorrow...

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:19 | 4221522 OneTinSoldier66
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+1 But I've heard that there's plenty of job growth in the new normal thanks to Obamacare. Jobs are growing from full-time to part-time.

 

If you like your full-time job, you can take your full-time job and shove it.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:46 | 4221405 kliguy38
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ugh! webspin

I'm a gov psyop...

I'm a gov psyop...

I'm a gov psyop...

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:26 | 4221439 akarc
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If it is always half empty it is always half full. Therefor does not reflect the true economic status  of most Americans.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:09 | 4221748 Theosebes Goodfellow
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You guys got a glass? I'm down to cupping my hands together....

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:54 | 4221443 Toolshed
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If the choice of your screen name is any indication of your expertise as a professional troll, I sincerely recommend you rethink your career path. I hear walmart is hiring.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:58 | 4221453 NOTW777
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webspin - for happy obama talk see seeking alpha - you will luv it

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:12 | 4221498 frankTHE COIN
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If the glass is really 1/3 full, but you are being told it is Half Full, it is your fiduciary duty to expose it.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:43 | 4221613 nightshiftsucks
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It's obvious Webspin that you kneeled in front of your master Obama,unzipped his pants,put his penis in your mouth and you drank his koolaid. Now you're trippin

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:45 | 4221905 SofaPapa
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@webspin:

ZH is a home for bears.  That means it has a perspective, and that's what makes it entertaining and interesting to read.  I only wish there were more news sources out there with the bravery to acknowledge and celebrate their perspective, thus clarifying their writing.  The readers on here, one hopes, are smart enough to recognize confirmation bias as a threat and to try to balance out ZH's perspective with others that are more positive in nature.  We can then apply critical thinking to determine our own opinions based on a variety of inputs.  

From my perspective, the reason ZH is ending up becoming the "bearish goldstandard" (with a variety of meanings behind that phrase) is because they are presenting a lot of data that is seen almost nowhere else in the media sphere and that does not fit the "recovery" script.  Because noone else is presenting this negative data, ZH has a lot to put out there.  

The acid test for their perspective will come if TPTB adopt a true hard-money standard (either metallic or perhaps there is room for creativity here?) with equal -- meaning non-corrupt -- treatment for elite and small investors (what ZH fundamentally supports, Tyler can step in here and correct me if I'm wrong), the economy continues falling apart, the markets tank, and all the other media are trumpeting the "world is over!" meme with data showing continuing collapse.  In theory, if the above is the Tylers' perceived medicine, then at that point, no matter how bad the economy appears at any given moment, ZH would be cheerleading for the leadership.  It would be in that environment that contrarians would be seeking out positive clues to suggest the strategy is working.  Currently, given that the hard money standard is still an oddity only to be discussed in MSM sources as an unworkable and / or subversive option, while the concept of a genuinely level playing field in the investment world is demonstrably a joke, the Tylers' perspective still has a long way to go until it faces its acid test, needing to decide to be either contrarian, or bearish.

I don't see that test happening any time soon.

At the same time, I am beginning to see interesting signs of the MSM beginning to question the underpinnings of the current system.  Two articles jumped out at me:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/les-leopold/wall-streets-police-state_b_43...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-walsh/shopping-on-thanksgiving_b_4310...

In their quest to stay "relevant", they may yet be forced into actually reporting material that shows the current strategy is failing miserably.  Time will tell.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:41 | 4221386 yogibear
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Sure looks like the government really cooks their numbers.

Robots replace workers in fast food restaurants as wages rise  More long-term unemployment and higher prices will eventually be more noticeable. 

As long as the sheeple believe it continues.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:26 | 4221462 akarc
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Wages are rising?  And of course were workers willing to shovel shit for close to nothing restaurants would never replace them with robots just to add a percentage or two to profit margin. Then again you maybe correct. Since Chinese labor in many instances is cheaper than automating. But then the workers wear out fairly early over there. Hmmmm,  China is easing up on the one child policy. Apwlle we find u  more workers quickie, quickie. U make mo money.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:44 | 4221395 666
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My calculations show the real US I'm-on-the-dole rate is currently 29%.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:21 | 4221533 OneTinSoldier66
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Taxpayers are muppets.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:45 | 4221401 pointandfigure
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So last month 900k people were taken out of the employment pool and some how the employment rate went up.  This month they add 400k+ back into the labor pool and the rate goes down.  Do they think we are that stupid?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:52 | 4221432 Toolshed
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"Do they think we are that stupid?"

Obviously.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:57 | 4221455 NOTW777
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see seeking alpha - yes, they are that stupid

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:06 | 4221729 NidStyles
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Very few people look at the actual site with the data. Most just read the headlines and go with that.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:55 | 4221403 SheepDog-One
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3 part time min wage jobs to make the minimum credit card payment, the new American Dream!

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:46 | 4221404 falak pema
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So...Obammy is batting in same league as : Hollande of France! 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:50 | 4221407 adr
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For your viewing pleasure I give to you the savior of America's children Knightscope:

The K5 Autonomous Data Machine

Sandy Hook will never happen again with Knightscope.

Don't worry you can trust the robot.

My favorite quote:

"The co-founders have chosen to position the K5 not as a job killer, but as a system that will upgrade the role of security guard, even if fewer humans are employed."

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:17 | 4221501 hedgeless_horseman
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For the moment, the system is unarmed, and it is certain to become the
target of teenagers who will undoubtedly get a thrill from knocking the
robot over.

...then, once the system is armed, it is certain the teenagers will undoubtedly get a thrill from the
robot.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 16:18 | 4222565 Cthonic
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setphaseronstun

setstaseronphun

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:17 | 4221504 Lost Word
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There is a Masonic Lodge very near to the Sandy Hook school.

Public hoodwinked by news media coverup?

Anyone see the Conspiracy Theory that Sandy Hook was a simulation exercise and that the children were not killed but instead kidnapped and given to secret pedophile organizations with complicity of the Government?

Reports on internet that parents were not allowed to see the children's bodies, only photos, and only closed coffins, no open coffins at funerals.

Similar to child trafficking prostitution rings.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:48 | 4221412 Central Wanker
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Friday humor: A nutty professor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD3XMyNmfeY

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:53 | 4221433 TideFighter
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Millions of unempployed, underemployed, welfared, subsistence-seeking 'Mericans need to return to the farmlands and practice low energy/low oil-based techniques and grow food. They are not suited for the concrete, sugar-ladened jungles. "Extras" will not be available until they grow a food surplus.  

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:59 | 4221456 Clint Liquor
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Meanwhile, Farmers across America are praying they can be contained in the Cities.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:02 | 4221464 papaswamp
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That would require them to purchase available farmable land....most can't even afford a house much less land to grow anything on.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:07 | 4221478 Lost Word
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Communist Communes Comrade from Obama.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:11 | 4221488 akarc
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They would then be working for and supporting the corporate famers. Farming sounds like such an idyllic lifestyle. Until droughts, floods, disease, pests, soil depletion...........

Then next thing  ya  know ya gotta buy another damn mule.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:37 | 4222153 GreatUncle
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You do not need to buy another mule to destroy a farmer's life.

Try India, genetically modified seed that does not reproduce and you borrow to buy the seed for a year and a failed crop you then go and commit suicide.

Leave you to chase down the name of the corporation.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 11:55 | 4221448 papaswamp
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BLS is diverging away from Gallup's daily unemployment tracking. Typically BLS trend lags Gallup's .

http://www.gallup.com/poll/163358/unemployment-seasonally-adjusted.aspx

What could be worrying is if the trend continues.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:03 | 4221471 ZeroRights
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The problem is there is no accountability and we are generations into it. The entire government is based on the greatest document for a plan of building a nation as perfect as can be. However through abuse of power, corruption and propoganda and now just plain old lying we are losing the nation.

Thank God for elections and we better vote 95% of these bastards out of office. That is a start- then we assemble an honest court system and put in prison the dishonest that are currently holding public office. That will get peoples minds and characters back on track.

That includes POTUS that coerce young pages to allow them to stick cigars up their vaginas. (Abuse of Power -even though they may have a legitimate reason to do so). 

  

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:10 | 4221493 Winston Churchill
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"If elections changed anything they would be illegal".

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:19 | 4221526 akarc
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You had me until:

"Thank God for elections and we better vote 95% of these bastards out of office. That is a start- then we assemble an honest court system and put in prison the dishonest that are currently holding public office. That will get peoples minds and characters back on track."

Did I miss a /sarc somewhere?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:36 | 4221587 ZeroRights
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I still believe thaat there are honest and good people out there (a bunch on ZeroHedge)- however power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

So we need to get all the bastards that have been there for more than one term in the senate (6 years) and two years for the congress, The Constitution was set up by honerable people who laid their lives on the line so they had a vested interest in doing the right and fair thing. Most believed in a higher authority and that King wasn't the King of England.

Today we have congenital and pathological liars and some fricking idiots running this country. With elections at least we are given a glimmer of hope that some politician will do the right thing. In a totalitarian regime you get what they give you. So no matter how bad it currntly looks it could be a lot worse i.e. Soviet Union, etc.

   

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:36 | 4221588 ZeroRights
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I still believe thaat there are honest and good people out there (a bunch on ZeroHedge)- however power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

So we need to get all the bastards that have been there for more than one term in the senate (6 years) and two years for the congress, The Constitution was set up by honerable people who laid their lives on the line so they had a vested interest in doing the right and fair thing. Most believed in a higher authority and that King wasn't the King of England.

Today we have congenital and pathological liars and some fricking idiots running this country. With elections at least we are given a glimmer of hope that some politician will do the right thing. In a totalitarian regime you get what they give you. So no matter how bad it currntly looks it could be a lot worse i.e. Soviet Union, etc.

   

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:36 | 4221555 OneTinSoldier66
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Here in Colorado, marijuana has been decriminalized. How did it become decriminalized? Did the politicians (so-called "leaders") in the State Legislature pass laws to decriminalize it because it was "the will of the people"? No. The people had to go around the politicians with a petition process to get the issue on the ballot. Obviously, the people wanted it decriminalized. So why didn't the so-called "Representatives of the people" do this? Why did the people have to go around their "representatives"? Am I really supposed to think that the politicians represent the people? To me that notion is absurd. How about the T.A.R.P. Bank bailouts? Was that a representation of "the will of the people"? Hahaha!

 

And now that the people demanded that marijuana be made legal, the politicians have $$$ in their eyes. They want to Tax it to the maximum possible exent that they think they can get away with, while still "competing" with the black market. The greed of politicians is despicable imo.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:04 | 4221472 max2205
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Fed targets are for PR...we all know that by now

Where's my seeing eye dog

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:03 | 4221473 Cortez
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Can someone explain this to me?  I don't understand what the benefit is to fudging the numbers and propping up the stock market via QE.  It seems to me that it won't lead to improved conditions.  Now if you took that QE money and mailed it as checks to every citizen, I think that would increase spending and/or paying down of consumer debt.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:21 | 4221531 NitneLiun
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Improving economic conditions isn't the goal here.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:47 | 4221932 NEOSERF
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Right, from the times of the Romans to Saudi Arabia handing out checks to their population, the goal here is DISTRACTION & PACIFICATION

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:07 | 4221480 starman
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Common gents if you count in all the Santas front of the department stores that's alone should show a spike in labor force participation and a drop to 6.99% unemployment rate. There I fixed it.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:11 | 4221489 thewayitis
Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:21 | 4221512 Youri Carma
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U.S. Unemployment Rate 23.5% (ShadowStats) http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts
November 8th, 2013 http://www.shadowstats.com/article/no-572-october-employment-and-unemployment

• Large Shift in August-October Period Seasonal Adjustments Bloated Latest Payroll Reporting

• Loss of Long-Term Unemployed from Headline Labor Force Boosted Alternate Unemployment Rate to New High

• Government-Shutdown Impact on October Unemployment Reporting Masked by Misclassification and Seasonal-Adjustment Fiasco

• October Unemployment: 7.3% (U.3), 13.8% (U.6), 23.5% (ShadowStats)

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:16 | 4221517 akarc
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Add to the real unemployment rate, the real decline in wages. No matter, u.s. citizens have been sufficiently indoctrinated to believe that as long as they keep their mouths shut and continue to bow to their Corporate masters They will be provided a Sunday afternoon 6 pack and a football game redeemable for a couple a joints and a few hours on face book.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:24 | 4221542 RaceToTheBottom
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Yeah but most of the 25% unemployed are non violent.  Move along...

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:32 | 4221569 Papasmurf
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You did not make that layoff.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:33 | 4221574 Lead Balloon
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So the government keeps two sets of books.  One that they show to the public, and another, with the real information that they lock up in a safe.   Hmmm, methinks I will try that with my busines vis a vis the IRS.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 12:43 | 4221611 Son of Loki
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Bullish?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:13 | 4221768 Element
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I bet you don't see that take on PBS newshour tonight.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:23 | 4221816 Againstthelie
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The Fed is fully aware of the misery. I don't know why ZH is falling victim to the tapering propaganda. The Fed has in the last months increasingly brought the low labor participation rate into their statements.

 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:47 | 4221922 NEOSERF
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Let's face it, historical measures of standards for unemployment really don't apply anymore.  Robotics, productivity improvements, global outsourcing, lower retail demand, aging population etc...all add up to one thing...heading towards 50% of the population working...just assume that more and more will be on the doles either through age or skills not useful to the current economy.  It is like when the gov tried to open a call center and use displaced fisherman from the Northeast to man it...some retraining just isn't going to work.  It will be a painful (to be in or to watch) retirement with many more on the street over the next 20 years but once all this clears out, there may be a new Android driven millenial group that moves things forward.  Of course the structural debt at that point will mean most of the smart millenials already got dual citizenship with Canada...

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:08 | 4222010 Bluntly Put
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The thing to remember is that in covertly fascist systems corporations and big government are lying in the same bed. Lying, get it, a pun?

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Fri, 12/06/2013 - 15:39 | 4222425 orangegeek
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What taper?  We don't need no stinkin' taper!!!

 

ONWARD!!!!!

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