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U.S. Military Changes Drone Rules To Make Targeting Of Civilians Easier

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

The drone issue is just another topic in which President Barrack Obama has proven himself to be a world-class liar and master of deception. Despite his claims that drone strikes do little damage to civilian populations, in July we discovered that “of the 746 people killed in drone strikes in Pakistan from 2006-2009, an incredible 20% were civilians and 94 (13% of the total) were children.”

I suppose that number just isn’t good enough, because The Pentagon has decided to change the rules of engagement when it comes to drone strikes, now making it easier to target civilians. From The Washington Times:

The Pentagon has loosened its guidelines on avoiding civilian casualties during drone strikes, modifying instructions from requiring military personnel to “ensure” civilians are not targeted to encouraging service members to “avoid targeting” civilians.

Hey cops, how about you “try to avoid” beating the shit out of people and violating their constitutional rights for no reason. Yeah, because that’ll work.

In addition, instructions now tell commanders that collateral damage “must not be excessive” in relation to mission goals, according to Public Intelligence, a nonprofit research group that analyzed the military’s directives on drone strikes.

 

Administration officials say the strikes are legal because the U.S. is at war with al Qaeda and its associates. They also insist there is a wide gap between the government’s civilian casualty count and those of human rights groups.

Right, we are at “war with al Qaeda,” when it is convenient to be at war with them. When it is convenient to be allies with al Qaeda, we will do that too.

Despite Mr. Obama’s pledge for more transparency on drone strikes, the administration “continues to answer legitimate questions and criticisms by saying, ‘We can’t really talk about this,’” said Naureen Shah, advocacy adviser at Amnesty International.

Can’t. Make. This. Stuff. Up.

Full article here.

 


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Fri, 12/06/2013 - 23:30 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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Ban all drones

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 23:31 | Link to Comment Mr. Lucky
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When the only tool you have is a drone.....

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 23:33 | Link to Comment NickVegas
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every problem looks like a double tap, cough, err, cough, war crime

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:04 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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For your safety, of course. All for your safety.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:48 | Link to Comment Richard Chesler
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Nobel Piss Prize.

 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 03:48 | Link to Comment Four chan
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what would george washington do?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 07:15 | Link to Comment negative rates
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You didn't really think he was just gonna deliver pizzas with these things.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 07:20 | Link to Comment negative rates
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I don't know, the cops have been pullin u-turns when they see my star ship this holiday season, somethings goin on.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 08:27 | Link to Comment AngelEyes00
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Now that Obama has given the wind industry carte blanche to kill as many golden, bald and any other eagles or other birds as they see fit for 30 years without the risk of prosecution, maybe that idiot would like to up the ante by using drones to kill all wild birds wherever they may be so there's no chance of them interferring with our wind mills or any other inconvenience they may cause.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 08:34 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Obama <---WORSE THAN BUSH (it's really not even all that close)

 

As far as Bush is concerned I've already roundly criticized him...and he's been gone for quite a while now.....so I guess that is that.

 

So much for the pregressives....whether they be on the right or the left.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 08:49 | Link to Comment eclectic syncretist
Sat, 12/07/2013 - 09:11 | Link to Comment Chief Kessler
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Obama <---WORSE THAN BUSH (it's really not even all that close) Bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit from neocon libertardians

 

Oh come on now, it's not like he had the worst terrorist attack in history, the economy melt down, then he attacked the wrong country, and then another country, half a million dead, 50,000 of ours maimed, 5,000 killed , oh and trillions to pay for it all. 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 09:42 | Link to Comment knukles
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What you have is Continuity of Government

Love the I love Islam ads popping up.....

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 10:05 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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from neocon libertardians

 

Hot damn. Looks like I just get promoted.....cause I wasn't any of that stuff yesterday.

 

If you keep thinking in those terms you're just never gonna get it. Why do you think no matter who gets elected the same crap keeps happening?

 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 10:29 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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who is worse, the man who commits mass murder or the man who covers up and continues?

how low can you go...

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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The NYT and MSM cover up, as do the faculty lounge denizens.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 12:06 | Link to Comment Oracle 911
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Obama the worst white president of USA.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 13:39 | Link to Comment Aristophon
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Spot on analysis -- on every level.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 13:14 | Link to Comment Offthebeach
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It's Obama's fault.

( I just want to be ready for the new new model President product that is schleped upon us.)

USA! USA! USA!
( Mandatory Homeland Volk Security chant.)

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 09:22 | Link to Comment JackT
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WWGWD?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 12:43 | Link to Comment Chief Kessler
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This is great,

George would tell Martha to go long slaves

holy fucking shit

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 10:44 | Link to Comment the 300000000th...
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It was a different time back then, and our country had some serious humanitarian problems, but aside from the obvious injustices in that department, I would rather ask, "What would Thomas Jefferson do??" "When the Governments fear the people then there is Liberty", Thomas Jefferson.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 13:34 | Link to Comment Meat Hammer
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We know what we do know.  The scary part is when I allow my mind to wander to the pile of steaming shit that represents what we don't know.  

Sometimes I miss being ignorant.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 15:36 | Link to Comment Drifter
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"what would george washington do?"

What are present-day so-called "patriots" going to do?

I know the answer:  Nothing.

It's getting down right embarrassing for those so-called "patriots" out there.  We're so close to communism now,  constitution and bill of rights completely ignored, they haven't done anything, and they won't do anything.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 23:26 | Link to Comment Illusory logic
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Did you mean - "We're so close to fascism now . . ." ???

Communism is an economic system.  Fascism is a system of government rule.  Just because the USSR was "supposedly" had communism doesn't mean that's how they ran their country.  It was run by fasicts/dictators/oligarchy - take your pick.

You can have communism within a democracy.  Actually, it might work better that way.

Soooo many people confuse economic systems with power/rule systems.

Go long Political Science majors! (:

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 10:48 | Link to Comment the 300000000th...
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Thats actually not true, the true patriots are getting involved, they are becoming members of Oath Keepers, and they are getting enlisted in their respective state militias. Its going strong, we are working with the consitutional Sheriffs and Governors(Which are few, I must admit) but we are doing it. And where we have Sheriffs and Govs, that won't play ball with the militias we are getting involved in campaigs to vote them out. The 2nd amendment is about having a well regulated militia to stand upto an unconstitutional governmnet, and we have an unconstitutional government, and that has to change one way or the other, before they get rid our constitution once and for all.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 14:05 | Link to Comment Drifter
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Too little too late.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 09:09 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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Anyone who runs is A Taliban! Anyone who stands still is a well-disciplined Taliban!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 09:42 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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You guys outta do a story about me sometime!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 12:04 | Link to Comment americanspirit
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RafterMan - and anyone under 12 is gonna be Taliban someday, and anyone with breasts is gonna feed a baby Taliban ( giving aid and comfort to the enemy, ya know). Also anyone walking with a cane is carrying a potentially lethal weapon and should either know better or - they're Taliban.

And don't even mention anyone kneeling on a little rug.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 04:00 | Link to Comment Pseudonymous
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When the only thing you see is the drone, everything its operator does has to look like an irrelevant matter.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 10:32 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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"Today, Ms. Clinton expressed shock at the recent accidental unknown explosions that removed her primary competitors from the presidential race.

"It certainly seems to be a tragic coincidence, I mean, what are the odds?" said the candidate. "Especially since the explosions while they were driving in remote areas came out of nowhere."

Nevertheless, Ms Clinton says she will shoulder on with her campaign, even if there are no primary opponents.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 14:32 | Link to Comment e2thex
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E X I ........................T

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 23:31 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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Joker asks, "How could you shoot women and children?" to which the door gunner replies jokingly, "Easy, you just don't lead 'em so much!...Ha, ha, ha, ha...Ain't war hell?!"

Full Metal Jacket

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment upWising
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Rules?

We don't need no fuckin' rules.  

"The American Way of Life is Non-Negotiaable"  ––Dick Cheney

God Bless Murika

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment 11b40
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"Kill 'em all & let God sort 'em out" was a common refrain in Viet Nam.  It kind of eased the guilt you felt when you knew your actions contributed to the deaths of innocent women and children...but the guilt never really quite leaves your mind.

That attitude was wrong then, as it is wrong now, but these drones are shameful and disgusting.  They are expressions of both collective arrogance and individual cowardice.  The random use of first world advanced technology against 4th world peasants paints a portrait of a warpped and depraved country, controlled by war criminals.

I find myself deeply saddened with the realization that the country I was once so proud of has been hi-jacked and is no longer the country I loved.  There will no no shortage of cynics who may say that country never really existed, but I know that it did.  I lived it, and things were very different among the people.  Even in the racially divided South of my youth, there was a real love and respect for the concept of America among both races.  Even during the civil rights struggles on campus and in the streets, we all believed in the promise of America.  Even though I was in the streets again protesting against the war, when my number was called, I reported for duty, never once failing to believe in America.  Now, that America seems a distant memory.

My country is the great American Republic. My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.

Senator CARL SCHURZ, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:50 | Link to Comment rubiconsolutions
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“of the 746 people killed in drone strikes in Pakistan from 2006-2009, an incredible 20% were civilians and 94 (13% of the total) were children.”

The debate needs to be framed in a manner that Americans can understand. So let's say this instead - "Today it was reported that police in the largest cities in America killed 746 people between 2006-2009. Of those an incredible 20% were later found to have no criminal record or engaged in criminal activity. Even more remarkably, 94 of the total killed by police were children who were simply innocent bystanders."

Now that would get peoples attention wouldn't it? But because these people are in a different country they mean nothing. Why should America care about a bunch of children killed in some distant land? The thing is, the way things are going in this country it may not be long before it starts happening here. Then we'll really care.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 01:05 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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How many were droned since Sandy Hook?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 10:28 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Lanza was the drone who took out "sandy hook."

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 01:19 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Bingo!

And I'm almost uncertain at this point if Americans wouldn't be accomodating as long as it it's somebody elses family or neighborhood and not there own.  Add to this the snitch factor and those that will sell out there friends and relatives as long as they get what they feel they need in order to survive.  This is the coupling of the economic demolition we are witnessing first hand in this Country with the banks right now, and it' will only get worse as unemployment continues to skyrocket and people become more desperate.

How we can religiously without thinking put yellow ribbons on everything and blindly repeat a mantra of "supporting the troops" for 12 years knowing in earnest how destructive it has been to our reputation and credibility in the eyes of World is unequalled -especially when it's a declared war without borders and on a "tactic"?  If we can continue to do this than it's safe to say we will be able to sell out anyone including family.

I'll close here with this. If nobody has seen it it's beyond belief if we allow it to continue and don't fight back.

http://intellihub.com/2013/12/06/virginia-man-who-resisted-police-checkpoint-now-faces-home-invasion-for-vampire-like-blood-draw/
Sat, 12/07/2013 - 07:09 | Link to Comment zhandax
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After some of the shit I have seen on YouTube, I am not so sure some of the FSA wouldn't welcome the opportunity to trade a dependent for a chance to get a PI attorney to try for a lottery payout from a drone strike.

BTW, thanks for the heads up on Gwinnett county.  Don't go there often, but will make it a point to stay on the freeway when I do.  Fortunately, the Georgia state troopers take a dim view of the locals helping themselves to the revenue pool on the freeway.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 09:44 | Link to Comment thatthingcanfly
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Nemo, I watched the first two-thirds of that video.

The part that piqued my interest the most was the County Sherriff's de rigeur recitation of a defense of heroic police efforts to rein in drunk driving, which went something like, "I think everybody knows someone in his family or friends who's been killed by a drunk driver. I think we should do something about that." These rehearsed words rolled off his tongue as if he had said them 1000 times - he put the emphasis in all the right places, and his inflection was perfect for that message.

He is exactly wrong.

The logical extension of this argument - that it is the duty of law enforcement to SAVE the citizens - is to suggest that: because we all know family members or friends who've died in hunting accidents, we should do something about that; because we all know family members or friends who've died in construction accidents, we should do something about that; because we all know family members or friends who've died from cancer, we should do something about that; because we all know family members or friends who've died when the tornado ripped apart their single-wide, we should do something about that.

There will untimately be no limit to police-state tyranny once the notion is accepted that this is what governments are supposed to do. Legislating salvation, as opposed to legislating morality, is a hallmark of tyrannical states. As callous as this sounds, the appropriate attitude the well-meaning Sheriff should adopt is: although it's sad that some people get killed in preventable drunk driving accidents, protecting the civil liberties of all the people is more important than trying to save the lives of the few.

I would challenge you to find one law enforcement type who gets that right.

 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 12:27 | Link to Comment Griphook
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"I think everybody knows someone in his family or friends who's been killed by a drunk driver. I think we should do something about that."

 

I think it far more likely that everybody knows someone in his family or friends who has at one time driven when they've had too much to drink.  Hey sherriff, what do you think we should do about that?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 13:07 | Link to Comment scrappy
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Point taken sir.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 09:48 | Link to Comment Uncle Sugar
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That stupid cop will be using a similar excuse when they come door to door collecting guns.  "Every year people get killed with guns. It's my job to make people safer and if we have to go door to door to do it, then that's what we'll do."

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 09:57 | Link to Comment thatthingcanfly
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Yep. Alcohol, tobacco, and firearms are the first things from which these moral busybodies will try to save us.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 11:06 | Link to Comment chemystical
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ATF should be the name of a chain of convenient stores; it should not be the name of a government agency.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 10:24 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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well done

or worse, killed puppies and kittens

there'd be riots 

years back a self proclaimed liberal relative

said, "if they had told me it was about oil, I would have approved"

I said, you mean, if it was theft and murder, instead of murder

that'd be ok?  

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 10:42 | Link to Comment NumberNone
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Several new rules of engagements.  It seems our government thinks that a drone operator can make better decisions from thousands of feet in the air than troops on the ground.  In its infinite wisdom, they have made it more difficult for troops on the ground to defend themselves.  Or maybe its just some weird trade-off of 'we can take out more of you people from the air, you can take more of our people out on the ground'...no matter what its all fucked up.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/5/increase-in-battlefield-d...

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 13:32 | Link to Comment scrappy
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Excellent point.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 11:02 | Link to Comment chemystical
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"Now that would get peoples attention wouldn't it?"

With all due respect, I hope that you don't have a dangerous job that requires paying attention and assessing dangers.

If a multijurisdictional task force of goons and goonettes sacked your neighbor and dragged him out of his house today at noon, kicked the sack as they made their way acorss the lawn and tossed him into the back of their van....

,,,,then you wouldn't do a fucking thing,  Um, call the cops?   Uh huh.  Call the local newspaper?  Uh huh.  That would be the response from 10% of Amerika.  45% wouldn't notice or even have a fucking clue what their neighbor's name was.  And the other 45% would say the next day after watching the news, "Geez, who knew that Bob was a terrorist?"

Any other suggestion at this point is false bravado.  (Real bravado requires a govt permit)

If the cable tv went out for a week straight, or if WalMart went out of business, or if the SNAP cards were cut off, THEN maybe there would be insurrection, but it wouldn't be the least bit coordinated and would be quashed in a day.  90% of the survivors would huddle in the homes and wait for the govt to tell them what to do next...exactly the same way they did before the insurrection.

Cynical?  Hardly.  Realist and an observer.  I outsourced my patriotism on 9/12.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 13:47 | Link to Comment rubiconsolutions
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What's your point? That there's an acceptable level of casualties of violence as long as the 'good guys' get the 'bad guys'?

"I outsourced my patriotism on 9/12."

Yep. And therein lies the problem. Americans by in large don't give a damn about anything other than themselves. They outsource violence to a bunch of people in nice uniforms who exact their violent behavior on others and call it "national defense." I know this because I used to be one of them back during the Vietnam debacle. After returning to SE Asia in 1999-2000 to help with de-mining efforts my eyes were opened. Promptly came home and shred my honorable discharge and DD-214 and chucked my medals and ribbons in the nearest dumpster. The problem is that most people never see the results of their "outsourcing". Death and mayhem abroad is simply a headline on some news site or newspaper. So congratulations for being one of those soulless fools who let others do your bidding. No doubt you'll be one of the 90% when push comes to shove.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Overfed
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I hate to say it, but you're probably correct. Americans used to roar like lions for liberty. Now, they bleat like sheep for safety and comfort.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 11:13 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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Pakistan is intentionally letting it happen to make US "drone-happy". There will be 330 million targets to satisfy the greed later.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 13:21 | Link to Comment Offthebeach
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" Nits make lice. "

Old as dirt.
Read the Old Testament "....and they were no more."

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 02:10 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 All Of the sudden? WHY?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 03:58 | Link to Comment Pseudonymous
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The Amazon one too? Wouldn't you want to see it revolutionizing deliveries or bankrupting Amazon (whichever you believe would be the more likely outcome)?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 05:33 | Link to Comment ZH Snob
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waging war with drones is a coward's method of fighting.  it is just perfect for our agressive and hypocritical nation whose leaders understand this allows them to kill without being killed, so they will suffer no political repurcussions at home. and sure enough, there are no complaints.

then, one day, much to our chagrin, we find the chickens have come home to roost.

 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 08:58 | Link to Comment AngelEyes00
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What if some other country or rogue entity secretly built hundreds of thousands of drones, and released them on major cities all at once that would fly around shooting people with tiny pellets of ricin?  No one knows all the different ways this new drone technology could be used, so we might want to reconsider the arrogant position of master of the drone skies, while others may be plotting devious counter attacks using the same technology but in a more sinister manner. 

Just sayin'

I just got a vision of working in the future and on your first day they have a baseball sized drone follow you wherever you go and inform you of company policies.  "You are drinking coffee during a non-break period - you should wait until 10:00 Am."  "If you aren't sure what to do now, I can signal a manager to assist you.  Is that your request, yes or no?"  "You should be wearing a tie.  Should I have someone bring you one?"  "Please do not flirt with the female staff members."  "Porn is prohibited."

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 09:20 | Link to Comment Chief Kessler
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Yer fucked up dude

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 09:55 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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Not really. If you can't pay for the ACA the logical question to ask is "what else can't you pay for?" In other words "it's all about efficient outcomes" now...and the most efficient outcome both now and going forward is to see the "drone program" writ large. This is the solution to the problem of Government no longer able to pay for itself...or anything else for that matter. "Use drones." This is how you will get your actual benefit now...no more cars, no more highways, no more delivery guy or cop..."drone 'em."

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 09:48 | Link to Comment XitSam
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Judge Dredd?  Judge Drone!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 10:05 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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Yeah pretty much. For what we've paid for a single F-35 we could have. 100,000 drones right now. These things will run on batteries powered by off grid solar and wind...everyone will have their personal drone...according to Amazon the best they can do is 5 pounds "free delivery." That will absolutely cover your mail delivery for a week. That saves 200,000 delivery jobs, accidents on the highway, the vehicle fleet, the maintenance costs, you name. Plus it can check up on you...make sure your still alive...etc. "this is what failure looks like" people. Get used to it.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 14:56 | Link to Comment ali-ali-al-qomfri
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take it further.... think 'Phantasm' type baseball drone.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 08:18 | Link to Comment fxrxexexdxoxmx
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If you want to keep your brown children you can keep your brown children. This Obama guy never lies.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 09:02 | Link to Comment Bangin7GramRocks
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You better run Fonestar! They are coming after you and your hoard of mini SD cards!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 11:04 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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Won't happen. There are 330 million of them.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 13:57 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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To 'JLee2027' at the top of this post

Ban all lawmakers in Washington D.C. that make weaponized drone development and deployment possible with your money.

Fixed it!

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 23:30 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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  No Comment. Extra cheese.  Step forward Zimbawaneze Patron...  Breathmint?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 05:37 | Link to Comment zhandax
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Stop being so damn gracious. Did they turn Eglin into a FEMA camp and you are auditioning?

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 23:32 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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Anybody that doesn't know we are being f*cked in the ass by our honorable .gov- without vasoline must have an Iphone 5 shoved up their butt.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 23:45 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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M. Scott Peck wrote, "...evil insidiously manifests itself most commonly in deceptively well-functioning but subtly pathological personalities".

I cannot help but think the manifestion of which Peck refers has gravitated to, and permeated, a certain city along the Potomac. If evil exists, that is where it calls home.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:01 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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@ AlaricBalth  Mr. Scott was correct, in that he described self preservation and what led to his conclusion of life.

    Thanks for the reminder.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:52 | Link to Comment kchrisc
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Evil also resides quite comfortably in all of the state capitols, county seats and town halls.

 

"Ignorance of the Constitution and 'following orders' are no excuse."

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 06:17 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

I cannot help but think the manifestion of which Peck refers has gravitated to, and permeated, a certain city along the Potomac. If evil exists, that is where it calls home.

Vichy DC, also known as Babylon on the Potomac.

My prayer is that in a display of wisdom, mercy, and justice, God cleanses it with fire.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 23:33 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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The Brother is watching you.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:05 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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Besides eavesdropping on everyone, his promised fundamental transformation includes firing top Military brass that may not go along with his vision.

Obama Changes Direction Of US Military Command, Fires 9th General In His Purge

http://downtrend.com/jrc410/obama-changes-direction-of-us-military-comma...

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:15 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Over your left/right paradigm bullshit, yet?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:21 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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Are you a left/right denier?  Or just a leftist denying Obama's agenda.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:23 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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I'll take that as a "no."  Carry on.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:23 | Link to Comment stacking12321
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over your anti-rand bullshit, yet?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 01:17 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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No.  That cunt is the root of this.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 01:33 | Link to Comment hound dog vigilante
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rand was a visionary.  should be required high school reading.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 02:41 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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High school.  You nailed it.  You mindless can't think for yourself cultist cunt.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 03:16 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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Wow, Why such outrage over some novels?   I'm starting to think you're that certifiable nutcase Ed Schultz on MSNBC.  You almost hate her more than you hate Ronnie.  Why? Is it becasue they both spoke out against communism?  You're a fugazzi Lola. 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 03:42 | Link to Comment snr-moment
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Once fools like you finally learn human nature you'll understand why she was right, why you'll never achieve your utopia, and why those drones WILL be turned on us eventually.

In the meantime, keep rocking back in forth in your corner.  Wapner should be on shortly.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 03:45 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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What's for lunch at the high school today?  Cultist.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 04:18 | Link to Comment snr-moment
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Probably veal chops with a side of pissant  Leftist, and a toilet paper garnish, why?

 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 04:22 | Link to Comment snr-moment
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But you are right.  Rand was naive.  People like you and Maduro just kill the productive, right?  Fucking entrepreneurs.  They should know their place.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 13:35 | Link to Comment 11b40
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Rand wasn't much of an entrepreneur, was she?  

She died on the Social Security "dole", despite her works of fiction.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 04:34 | Link to Comment snr-moment
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It's actually fascinating that you can't even come up with your own criticism of her ideas.  So I'll stoop for you.

You didn't think that

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 13:38 | Link to Comment 11b40
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As she was Greenspan's mentor, I guess he is a visonary, too, right?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 07:19 | Link to Comment snr-moment
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What you mean the dude who married Andrea Mitchell?  Easy for liberals to hide in conservative clothing.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 11:19 | Link to Comment chemystical
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btw, as you probably know, her name wasn't Rand; it was Rosenburgsteinsilverfishmangold or some iteration of that.  More name changes from the mimics blending in with their hosts and playing (and kontrolling) both sides of the fence.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 08:30 | Link to Comment fxrxexexdxoxmx
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So let me get this right, Obama is not removing Generals from the military, this is your understanding of what is happening?

So if I have this right/left this means nothing to you? It is only an attempt by the right/left to point out their agenda? Because no Generals from the military have been removed, right?

Have you signed up at Healthcare.gov today? You might have to sign up multiple times since no one has any record of you being in/removed from the system since it is only a right/left agenda.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 09:55 | Link to Comment drdolittle
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LTER, it's obvious you never left the blue side of the aisle. Does the fact that 9 senior military leaders have been fired not raise suspicions? Only if it were Bush? That is what leaders do  before bad stuff comes down.

You've backslid or just plain gone downhill. You used to be hilarious, now all you seem to do is pick random fights. Go blow Obama. And, I'm far from red team. I'm 43 and have never once voted. I've always known the whole thing is bullshit. i thought Bush (both but esp jr) were terrible and obama is just as bad. They're all playing for themselves or their masters. It's superrich vs the rest of us and infighting is just what they want.

But, if you think Harbanger is the problem then you're certainly free to pick useless fights wth him. Just admit you love the blue team and think all the red team guys are neocon fascists. I think we all could respect the honesty.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 12:24 | Link to Comment chemystical
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"That is what leaders do before bad stuff comes down"

With all due respect, that is what happens before administratively bad things go down.  Truly bad things would be prefaced and harbingered by killing generals who might object to long term plans.

For example the anti-Communist Adm Forrestal using a bedsheet to "hang" himself out of his hospital window but somehow landing 15 feet from the building (as if thrown out).

Apr 17, 1995 a C-21 carrying Asst Sec AF Fiester, Maj Gen Proffit, and other AF officers crashed killing all on board.

Apr 19, 1995.  Oklahoma City bombing.

Apr 27, 1996 former CIA director William Colby "drowns".   76 yr old men always go canooeing at night.  (sarc)

May 3, 1996, Sec Commerce Ron Brown dies in a plane crash.  First responders initially reported survivors, then they said, "Oops, nope, no one survived."  Air Force forensic pathologist Cogswell who was incredulouls that an autopsy was not performed stated, "Essentially ... Brown had a .45-inch inwardly beveling circular hole in the top of his head."  

In what we were told were unrelated incidents the air traffic controller committed suicide, and on May 6, the Air Traffic Maintenance Chief in charge of Brown's plane also committed suicide.

May 16, 1996.  Adm Boorda leaves the Pentagon and according to numerous witnesses he is chased by security teams.  Fleeing from the assassins (?) he drives towards his home.  Official reports are that he made it into his his home and then emerged with a gun, stood on the lawn, and shot himself in the head AND chest.  

July 26, 1998, AF Lt General David McCloud dies in plane crash.

 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 01:06 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Dats rayciss

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 23:33 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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Surely getting the one bad guy , is worth 12 innocent lives. They hate us for our freedoms

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 09:20 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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Yup.

Those savage, Amerika hatin' tribesmen, with 4 goats and an AK are going to GET US!

Somehow.

Afghanistan has what, 4 or is it 5 carrier battle groups and 1000 strategic bombers, right?

And thank God were so serious about our various enemies that we've made our borders virtually impregnable.

Amerikans are useless, moronic shitheads, and in about 10 years when the po-po are using Hellfire missiles on Wal*Mart shop lifters, I'm going to raise a glass in salute.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 10:33 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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it is better to kill a thousand innocents then to let one guilty man go free 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 11:46 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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Sure,

A Warsaw mainstream newspaper, Gazeta Prawna, published an article "Europe goes for Jihad in Syria (Europa jedzie na d?ihad do Syrii)", in which it expressed its opinion on participation of foreign Mujahideen in the Syrian Jihad. Polish democrats write:

 

"This country attracts guerrillas from around the world. It has a chance to become a training ground for terrorists.

http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2013/04/02/17566.shtml

 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 23:39 | Link to Comment Seize Mars
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Ratfuck scumbags. I hate what the fucking communist infiltrators have done to my country.

I don't remember seeing a declaration of war against Pakistan go through congress. Oh that's right, it didn't. 

The Federal government is controlled by LAWLESS FUCKING ANIMALS.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 11:28 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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So the people dancing in the streets of Beirut after 9/11 are justified?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 12:35 | Link to Comment chemystical
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some of the footage you've been shown by MSM has been demonstrated as being false or staged.  Some was actually footage taken years earlier.

btw, what about the dancing Israelis atop the building in NJ?  Filming the WTC being hit and high-fiving eachother.  They were detained by the FBI incommunicado for a week, and then they were transferred to ATL and then Michael Chertoff released them and they went home to ISR.  What about Odigo employees being told to not show up to work that day?  What about Urban Moving shutting down what was obviously a front and leaving their offices bare within minutes of the planes hitting?  FUCK EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 23:40 | Link to Comment q99x2
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What is the world to do with a rogue nation like Washington D.C.?

Looks like a set-up to go along with ObamaCare and the DHS and the WTCs and so on and so forth...so that other nations have justification for bombing the US. It is an organized takedown of the United States of America by the globalist's military industrial complex.

Get out while you still can.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 01:31 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Disagree.

Someone has to stop it. 

If the American people refuse to obey the "piece of paper" that ultimately puts them in charge when their lawmakers and courts commit such egregious violations of the law and acts of treason, then it's up to the likes of Russia and China from outside to put an end to it.

Unfortunately we are far too self absorbed, eccentric and narcissitic to look beyond our own selves individually (put iPhone down), let alone towards what is morally right and in the best interests of everyone else given the weapons.

This is how World Wars start and finish.

 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 10:08 | Link to Comment XitSam
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The American people have had generations, even before FDR, of being told that government is necessary, that what government does is appropriate, and it is their duty to obey government. 

It is always the same with government.  Even back to European royalty using Divine Right, with support of the clergy, to justify their denying freedom to the people.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 15:47 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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So very true.

I used to be in the "blue pill" camp myself with regrets too deep to count in my lack of motivation and stupidity to where the "red, white and blue" has been leading this Country in my formative years. -After all life was so good for just me.

What ultimately breaks the chain (hopefully permanently) are the types that are relentless and determined in getting to the truth and want to share the provisions in times of crisis.  I know this is a broken record but it was one of the most pivotal events in our history and certainly a milestone that is still unequalled in pointing to all the other blemishes and defects to our unaltered course, and that was the legacy the "Jersey Girls" started and sacrificed (and those that followed them) for the rest of this Nation and the world in demanding answers to what happened to their husbands at Cantor Fitzgerald and all the others that day. 

Isn't "TCP/IP" both the most wonderful and delicious of irony's and conundrums to those that attempt to control it 'ALL' for the benefit of our well being and security?  It's the same ones that run our deficits and attempt to influence and control market behavior through setting unilateral policies that will always end up in abject failure.  There will never be enough time, money or individuals to throw at the perceived solution to reign it in for the benefit of the few who attempt to control it.

 

 

 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 23:44 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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Another view of civilian casaulties of drone strikes:

A Marine Times article on December 3 ran the alarming headline “Some Afghan kids aren’t bystanders," reporting on the death of three children in Afghanistan. They were apparently targeted by a U.S. military drone because they appeared to be digging a hole in a road.  

Army Lt. Col. Marion Carrington, quoted in the article, said that “It kind of opens our aperture” that children are being used in the conflict. “In addition to looking for military-age males, it’s looking for children with potential hostile intent.”

Proponents of the drone war, including President Barack Obama, claim that drone strikes are precise and only target terrorists. But a study from Columbia Law School’s Human Rights Institute finds that the number of Pakistani civilians killed in drone strikes is “significantly and consistently underestimated" and that as many as 98% of those killed by drone strikes are civilians.

While it is ultimately impossible to get exact numbers, this means that for every "terrorist" killed by a drone strike, anywhere between 10 and 50 civilians are killed.

Read that sentence again. Let it sink in.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/24164/a-list-of-children-killed-by-drone-strikes-in-pakistan-and-yemen

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 23:50 | Link to Comment Seize Mars
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My God it's making me physically ill.

Who are these fucking morons who pull the trigger? Why won't they act like men and disobey?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:24 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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Listen to the drone pilot interviews. These motherfuckers pick up McFuckingDisneyDonalds in the morning and snoop on poor village brown guys taking shits. And when orders come from up top, what's essentially 'corporate' in private sector land, these bastards shoot missiles killing everyone in the vicinity.

There's no excuse to this kind of behavior! Any one of these drone strike traitors could be one of our neighbors. They will ruthlessly kill you or me (and apparently our neighbors too lololo) just the same if orders from corporate said so.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 07:03 | Link to Comment zhandax
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Does 'turn the entire mid-east into a sheet of glass' sound so ridiculous now?  2001.  Once and done.  Not that I believe for a minute that the reason quoted is justification, but let's face it, these stooges will be the reason for an entire panalopy of 'plots' to keep us dancing for the next xxxx years.  It becomes apparent why moar woar was the chosen solution..

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 08:41 | Link to Comment fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Corporate orders are never fully implemented or followed. It is just a metric. Metrics are numbers and at this point they are imaginary so do you really think the input/output is real?

Killing people by remote control is easy when you never have to clean up the blood. This is reality brought to you by fly by wire and those commiting the acts of murder feel nothing since that is what is about.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 13:57 | Link to Comment 11b40
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Maybe not all of them, but a significant number our drone operators will find they have a little twinge of guilt, and shame, for their actions one day as they mature and reflect.  It will be their burden for the rest of their lives.  

They may never even realize why that marriage didn't last, or why they have that substance abuse problem, or what it is that keeps them from developing a meaningful social circle.  

While it is happening, the violence they are inflicting on innocents may seem little more than some video game.  They may become numb to the violence, but that numbing effect unconsciously carries over into other aspects of their lives, and you just can't erase memories at will.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 14:23 | Link to Comment scrappy
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Are they cooking the drone books too?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 10:36 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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it's just a big screen video game, why should it move them

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:33 | Link to Comment stacking12321
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i belive it is much higher number than the 20% civilians mentioned in the article.

it is a known american policy to declare anyone male 15-50 who was killed by a drone strike to be a "military age male", and therefore a "militant", regardless of whether they actually were a militant or had any aggressive intentions.

 

 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:59 | Link to Comment NickVegas
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It's the Muslim religion that is the problem. For reason non-believers can't fully understand, they have aggressive intentions when there are robots flying overhead shooting missles at them where they live. Fucking Allah.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 02:03 | Link to Comment Sam Clemons
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Religion is the problem.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 07:16 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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I think religion that condones murder is the problem.

 

Hmmm.....what's the name of that one again?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 10:28 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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How'd it go?
An eye for an eye?
An eye for an I?
An aye for an eye?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment chemystical
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The Book of Esther is the ONLY  book in the Bible that does not mention God.

It is instead a celebration of Jews being permitted to rape and kill (or is it kill and rape) every non-Jew in the country.

And this is celebrated during Purim; their central holiday.

The OT is filled with other examples where, for instance, G*d told some Jew to kill every man, woman, child, and animal in cities X, Y, and Z.

"Purim is one of the most joyous and fun holidays on the Jewish calendar. It commemorates a time when the Jewish people living in Persia were saved from extermination."

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/holiday9.html

Yeah, right, maybe in a satanic up is down newspeak world.

ESTHER VIII:11

"wherein the king granted the Jews which were in every city to gather themselves together, and to stand for their life, to destroy, to slay, and to cause to perish, all the power of the people and province that would assault them, both little ones and women, and to take the spoil of them for a prey"

and because in their eyes every Goy is a potential anti-semite, why take a chance. (kinda like the DHS considering us all potential terrorists...particularly so when the guidelines were written by jews like Morris Dees.  Some things never change).

 

 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 14:33 | Link to Comment scrappy
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Was that last part in the Holy Bible?

Perhaps you need to read the whole book for proper context.

Then after that, read the whole Bible for more context.

Watch out, my wife knows the Holy Bible well and her name is Esther. She is a crazy Scot that looks like a chick on the side of a B-17 and she shoots better than me. Don't piss her off.

 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 02:30 | Link to Comment Erudite Redneck
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"that would assault them (Jews),"  Called allowed to defend themselves.  Quit quoting out of context.  The second law was passed to counteract the first law that called for killing all Jews.  The second law was a way to nullify the first law that was passed deceptively in order to wipe out the Jews. 

Satan is known as the Father of all lies and I think you are obviously one of his children. 

For those of you that think the whole bible is a fairy tale, explain the evil in the world and idiots above scrappy. 

Scrappy thanks for pointing out this nut is way out of line.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 18:31 | Link to Comment stacking12321
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obviously, you're right.

because some book from 1000s of years ago talks about killing, clearly all jews are guilty of murder.

unlike christianity and islam, which have nothing similar in their histories.

thank you for enlightening me.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 10:39 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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you're right, the whole world worships oil

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 05:28 | Link to Comment PeaceLover
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think about it for a second, they drafted us for viet nam.. the officers knew the body counts where wrong but to keep their, jobs they didn't share it.

Of the millions killed in Viet Nam. as little as 8 per cent where Viet Cong the rest where civilians!

Blows me out when people say Clinton is their hero... he talks a no war game but help pass the laws that lock up most of the harmless drug offenders.
What kind of a sick society lets that go on.
I think I know that answer.
A country that likes to  elect's the stupidest to lead (Ex Military)
Why would anyone do that... oh wait a minute I know  if your rich your body guards can't be smart enough to turn on you.

 

Peace

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:20 | Link to Comment monad
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Well, I guess I better not TP my neighbors' trees at Halloween anymore. 

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 23:53 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 Slingshots "r" Us ?

  Drone stuffing is a new sport!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:04 | Link to Comment stant
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cival war bitchez

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 10:00 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:05 | Link to Comment steelrules
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Total criminal government, what more proof does anyone need?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 02:43 | Link to Comment Nikao7
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But but but them terrorists came after us first....murica...pew pew pew....BOOOOM...Murica

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:06 | Link to Comment frankTHE COIN
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Something's gotta change.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:20 | Link to Comment JR
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It’s the thrust for Empire, by the warmongers; it’s a coming conflict with Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen where the warmongers are operating and the people don’t want them. And we don’t want them, either.

The people of America aren’t interested in pushing our frontiers; it’s this constant drone from our so-called rulers that we have to do this to protect our freedom, of how our servicemen are protecting our freedom...

Get rid of the warmongers who are running the government – the neocons, the communist sympathizers, the empire-building bankers - who’ve installed the current Congress.

And the place to begin is Mitch McConnell, the so-called “opposition” leader…

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:15 | Link to Comment Judge Crater
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The story below from today's Courthouse News Service describes how AG Holder's Justice Department was going to allow states to have only to give their word that the state provided adequate legal representation to convicts challenging death penalty convictions.  No need for stuff like actual proof to back up the claim of providing competent counsel to death row inmates.    Just trust Obama.  Notice also that thanks to the Patriot Act, habeas corpus no longer exists in the Land of the Free. --- New Death-Row Counsel Rule Blocked Indefinitely By ELIZABETH WARMERDAM 
         

  SAN FRANCISCO (CN) - Changing the rule for the appointment and compensation of counsel for death-row prisoners must wait on the resolution of claims that the rule suffers from "fatal defects," a federal judge ruled.
     The final rule regarding Certification of State Capitol Counsel Systems was already delayed from its Oct. 23 effective date with a temporary restraining order issued by U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken.
     Her latest ruling handed down Wednesday delays the rule indefinitely as the Habeas Corpus Resource Center and Public Defender for Arizona pursue their lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Justice and U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder.
     States that guarantee death-sentenced prisoners competent counsel and reasonable litigation resources are provided with procedural incentives in federal review of state capital convictions, under Chapter 154 in Title 28 of the U.S. Code. Incentives include the statute of limitations for federal habeas corpus proceedings to be greatly shortened and expedited.
     In 2005, the Patriot Act amended Chapter 154 by giving the attorney general control over certifying the mechanisms that a state uses to appoint and compensate counsel for inmates scheduled for execution. The change also allegedly holds the attorney general to the regulatory requirements of the Administrative Procedure Act (APA).
     On Sept. 23, 2013, the Justice Department issued a new rule that the Habeas Center alleges does not require a state requesting certification to provide any information as to the state's mechanism for assuring that it will provide competent counsel and adequate compensation and litigation expenses. A state essentially need only assert that it is compliant with the requirements, according to the complaint.
     Wilkin's preliminary injunction prohibits the Justice Department and Holder from putting the rule into effect.
     "Compared to the harm faced by plaintiffs, defendants stand to face little, if any, harm if the Final Rule does not go into effect immediately," she wrote. "The Patriot Act amendments were passed in 2005. After retracting their 2008 proposed rule in 2010, defendants only recently attempted to revive it. An additional delay pending resolution of this lawsuit will not prejudice them. Public interest likewise favors maintaining the status quo while the legality of defendants' rule is determined."  

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:17 | Link to Comment yogibear
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It's what happens when the citizens no longer run the government.

Already they ripped up the constitution and are proposing a new set of rules.

Next the US gets a tyrant or dictator, people are detained (NDAA) and disappear (Stalin) and the government police get brutal.

 

 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:26 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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   The MOAR insidious it is, the MOAR respected it is! Clue # 1 NSA.

  Quit creepin under everyones covers.  You're gonna loose the battle !   Propper women have a problem and such.

  You were warned!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:29 | Link to Comment ReactionToClose...
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but the Rules of Engagement have been materially altered so that more US servicemen are getting killed, or seriously injured

want to blow some steam at that issue?  just askin'   of course they deserve  it, right, as slave merceneries to the 'Rothschilds' or whatever masonic Davinci Code fiction you want to speculate about

I got it, it is to protect Halliburton's profits, of course ... Cheney is not dead yet .... 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 14:03 | Link to Comment 11b40
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Give me twice as many targets, and I will dramtically increase my kill ratio......especailly if you bunch them up.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:36 | Link to Comment Tinky
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I used to scoff at the idea of retreating to some island half way around the world. Now, the idea of living a simple life away from the accelerating madness of contemporary Western society doesn't seem at all stupid.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:37 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 Gentlemen at this unique time we seem to have a general consious.   I've a few ideas. Some other posters have even better thoughts.

 The quorum is open?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:53 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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The 30,000ft drones are coming whether we like it or not. The best thing you can do is unplug. My idea? I'm gonna go have a little farm on an another continent where people don't really give a fuck.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 01:31 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 I've got a neighbor S/B. You don't have the type of home or situation I'm dealing with. I also have property overseas, so I want things fixed before I leave. I'm gonna have some fun though. He He.  I going Caddy Shack on him! LOL.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 01:41 | Link to Comment Uber Vandal
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Do you really think this madness will stop here?

 

 

 

 

 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 01:45 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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Yes.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment scrappy
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I know how you feel, but hate to give up on OUR COUNTRY and run.

 

If I do it will probably be Uruguay in the country a bit inland.

 

Good water, non gmo beef, veggies, poor. but REAL.

 

I do believe they would be VERY HAPPY if my wife and I showed up.

 

Most likely a Fukushima decision GOD FORBID.

 

Turn your face to "the big guy."

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 18:39 | Link to Comment stacking12321
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our country?

haha. you're a funny guy!

 

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