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21st Century - Reality Vs. Storyline

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Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform blog,

I’m baffled by the storyline portrayed by the dying legacy media, sponsored by Wall Street and the CEO executive suites of mega-corps, and supported by the propaganda data agencies of the U.S. government. The BLS, BEA,  CBO, CNBC, CNN, and a myriad of other government sponsored letters present supposedly accurate data that is designed to convince the ignorant masses everything is fine and their lives are improving.

For anyone willing to uncover the facts and think critically about the storyline being presented, an entirely different reality is revealed. The simple chart below obliterates the “official” storyline. Do you have the uncomfortable feeling that your financial situation has been declining for the first 13 years of the 21st Century?

Your beloved government puppets and their Wall Street puppeteers have used their control of the mainstream media to fully utilize Edward Bernays’ propaganda techniques to convince you that your household income has actually risen by 28% since 2000. There is a reason the government run public schools don’t teach children about inflation. They might figure out how badly they are getting screwed by their owners.

In reality, even using the heavily manipulated CPI numbers issued by the BLS, REAL median household income in the United States has FALLEN by 7% since 2000. Most households in the U.S. have less annual income than they did 13 years ago.

But it gets better. Median REAL household income is down 8% since the peak in 2008. Now for the government statistic reality check. According to the government and their media mouthpieces, the economy bottomed in 2009, with 10.3% unemployment and GDP bottoming at $14.34 trillion. Since the “official” end of the recession in 2009, the unemployment rate has plummeted to 7.0% and GDP has surged to $16.9 trillion.

If this government reported data is true, how could REAL median household income still be 4% lower than at the END of the recession in 2009? If all these jobs were created and the economy has truly grown by 18%, REAL median household income must be higher than it was in 2009. But it’s not.


Do you still believe the storyline? Do you still believe in the American Dream of a better tomorrow? If you do, you’d have to be asleep.

Luckily for the ruling class, they have successfully “educated” the masses to not understand inflation or revolution would be on the horizon.

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”Henry Ford



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Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:50 | Link to Comment TeamDepends
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Why do you think they call it programming?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 22:18 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Well it seems that the 1% (or the 0.1%, or the 0.01%) are doing just fine...

DCRB takes a break from the Bitcoin frenzy.

In the latest issue of American Hard Assets are articles on gold coins (four of them) as well as the usual articles on mining and high-end collectables for rich guys!  The magazine is aimed at the very high-end and comes out every two months.

Yet, I wonder if the publisher is following what people like Quinn have to say.  And whether he sees the same stuff I saw in South Carolina recently (it's bad there folks...).


"Review of American Hard Assets -- Issue No. 6"

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 23:30 | Link to Comment Popo
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This chart uses OFFICIAL numbers for CPI. Those numbers don't include things like housing, education, etc. if you were to use John Williams ShadowStats inflation data in the above graph, you'd see that real household income hasn't just declined -- it shit the bed completely and continues to fall.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 01:38 | Link to Comment OutLookingIn
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ShadowStats uses the older, truer methods of economic calculation. Not the present governmental outright lies.

Repeated by the brain dead, talking heads of the 90% controlled media. News at six!

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 09:06 | Link to Comment duo
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Undercount inflation by 7% for 5 years, and you have an economy shrinking 30%, which feels about right.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 16:43 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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If this government reported data is true, how could REAL median household income still be 4% lower than at the END of the recession in 2009? If all these jobs were created and the economy has truly grown by 18%, REAL median household income must be higher than it was in 2009. 

No reason it would need to be, this chart says it all:

Since they ain't shipping a bunch of new product, where might those profits be coming from?

The 'economy' can still be expanding with median household income dropping, y'all have just been cut out is all.

And I'm pretty sure they teach inflation in US math class.. If not, the US must be one of the only western countries that doesn't.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:52 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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We believe what we want to believe.

<Thankfully the TV is here to tell me what I want to believe.>

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 22:17 | Link to Comment DavidPierre
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The United States of Assassinations has been at war with citizens for over 50 years.  You are not even aware of it.

Your beloved government puppets and their Wall Street puppeteers have used their control of the mainstream media to fully utilize Edward Bernays’ propaganda techniques to convince you of the OffaliCIAl 9/11 story line.

For anyone willing to uncover the facts and think critically about the storyline being presented, an entirely different reality is revealed.

What Really Happened on 9-11?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 22:33 | Link to Comment DJ Happy Ending
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The biggest 9/11 secret of all is the hijacker's love of uncircumcised underage cock:

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 22:42 | Link to Comment Jumbotron
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When they are not busy treating their women as chattel....or cattle for that matter....they getting it on the down low.

These people get exactly what they deserve.  When you are get treated like shit.  And then these bastards complain about being shit on by the world.  Fuck you all.  Clean up your own corrupt systems and people....come out of the Age of civilized and then maybe you can be counted as human.

Of course.....this advice can increasingly be sent to America as well.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 22:44 | Link to Comment DavidPierre
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That's just your own PROJECTION DJ!

2 1/2yrs. on ZH and you are still a fucking IDIOT and have learned nothing.

"I want everything done for me. Free choice is a fool's errand for radicals and extremists. No compromise, no negotiation. They're paying for it, you eat it."

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 19:16 | Link to Comment MrButtoMcFarty
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Sun, 12/08/2013 - 12:11 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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But DP, that "official storyline"[9/11] is sacrosanct and must not be questioned! /s




Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:50 | Link to Comment Event Horizon
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Now graph it with REAL inflation adjusted income

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:11 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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It would be too depressing.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:55 | Link to Comment km4
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Bitcoin network is over 256 times more powerful than the top 500 supercomputers combined at over 64 Exaflops via @feedly

Take that Federal Reserve asslcowns ;-)

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:54 | Link to Comment DaddyO
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That's why it tanked and lost almost half its value in a matter of a few hours, right?


Sun, 12/08/2013 - 03:06 | Link to Comment pointer
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he's talking about the network computer power, not the BTC/USD price.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 15:50 | Link to Comment Exponere Mendaces
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Seal Troll Rating: 0

Issues: Confuses network hashing power with fiat pricing, continued lack of understanding of basic computer and technology concepts. Spreads misinformation and other agendas at whim, lack of citation when referring to source materials.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:55 | Link to Comment Dagny Taggart
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So... Mr. Quinn is admitting he is baffled by the bullshit?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:55 | Link to Comment TrustWho
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If times are so good, why is Fed printing $85 billion per month? 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:57 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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To make them even more good.  Duh.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:15 | Link to Comment DavidC
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That made me laugh!


Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:02 | Link to Comment Goldilocks
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The Greater Fool Theory (1:19)

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:02 | Link to Comment NIHILIST CIPHER

Everything is GOOD if you're in the CLUB. Right Lloyd, right Jamie, right Ben? Oh yeah, right Janet?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:03 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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We see power aggregating everywhere, in every business. This is being driven by financial interests as they seek to dominate industries where their competition has been weakened by this economy. Ultimately it benefits our government as it helps to centralize their power. Business has played this role from the start. Without businesses collecting almost all taxes, either from employee withholding or business taxes or sales taxes, government would be forced to going door to door demanding payment. I greatly empowers them to rely on fewer "subcontractors". The news media is key and the fewer of them they need to control, the better. And control they will, even Fox News.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:17 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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John Gault or it is your own fault.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:23 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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I'd like to offer another possible answer to declining household income....  how is "household" defined?  Perhaps the lack of "household" creation is affecting these numbers?  Household creation has been on pretty nasty decline in recent years as well.  More single-parent 'households' would scew the numbers negatively, would it not?  For sure, a 'single-income household' today probably bears little resemblance to the traditional model of the 60s or 70s. 

Don't shoot the messenger.  I'm just asking a question.  I don't know the answer.


Sat, 12/07/2013 - 22:06 | Link to Comment Yenbot
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Deep. Direct hit on target, NoDebt.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 22:29 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Probably the opposite.  In the '60's it was still unusual to have two working parents even among the lower middle classes, and especially in the middle- and upper-middle.  Moms stayed home and vacuumed and raised the kids etc.  That started changing in the '70's, but it really wasn't until the '80's that it became the norm for "traditional" households to have two working parents.  If income were keeping up with inflation, the 2x income for most families should greatly increase the figures over decades before, even factoring in the growing number of single parent households.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:28 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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heres a story for ya Tylers's's's's on a slow weekend.....

'Tesla's Industrial-Grade Solar Power Storage System'

''The purpose of the storage system is twofold. It lets solar customers shift off the grid during times when energy companies charge their highest rates, and it provides a backup system during power outages''

''The energy companies have taken notice of SolarCity’s growing ambitions. The company has been dragged into fights over the rebates people receive in some states for going solar. And politicians such as Jeff Sessions, the junior Republican senator from Alabama, have started offensives against the company, which will leave you shocked by this last sentence. Southern Co. (SO), a utility, is Session’s largest donor''

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:32 | Link to Comment Reaper
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The sheeple were trained in their government schools and in front of the tube to trust and believe in America. Believers in the government and its media are good sheeple. Government apostates are bad sheeple. Follow your government shepherds, stay within the flock and you'll be safe as a good sheeple.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 01:32 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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In other words, you learn to accept being sheared as a good thing for you and yours and everyone else.

And then you and yours and everyone else are slaughtered by those who aren't everyone else, meaning the ones who did the shearing in the first place.

Makes perferct sense if you're the state, which, as always, can kiss my ass.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 14:04 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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Just now seeing this, and for the life of me, I don't believe it.

I mean, when a politician says something like this — in this case a member of the European Parliament — you know the tide has turned.

All in a mere 80 seconds, too, meaning that it's going to be a shot heard 'round the world over and over and over again, until this monster and those who make it up are running for their lives."

And I know my fellow ZHers will do their part to spread the word:

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:57 | Link to Comment Judge Crater
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Look at what happened to the BBC show "The Money Programme," which first aired as a consumer series show in 1966.  In 2006, this show was really doing its job, reporting on the crooked world of payment protection insurance, on the demise of the Northern Rock bank (that show title was "Northern Crock") and generally bashing crooked financial schemes that ripped off consumers.  Very well done shows. In 2008, the BBC pulled "Money Programme" off its schedule, only showing maybe three one-off specials through 2010, when the show vanished.  Since then, the BBC has no consumer show series covering the shennanigans of crooked financial outfits.  After all, the top executives at the BBC come from the same public schools as the grifters who run the financial schemes that the "Money Programme" put under a spotlight.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 17:37 | Link to Comment Seahorse
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You are so right, the BBC has long given up even pretending to be 'balanced', whatever that is. It is there to promote the state. 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 22:30 | Link to Comment DavidPierre
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What Really Happened on 9-11?

The events of 9-11 are seared into the collective psyche of this generation. We have all been affected by the catastrophes of that fateful day, but what really happened on 9-11?

Quinn believes an outlandish conspiracy theory involving 19 Arab hijackers who allegedly:

commandeered four commercial jets with nothing more than their cunning, wit, resolve, hatred of America, and some box cutters;

then proceed to fly these aircraft around US airspace unfettered for a total lapsed time of over an hour;

on three of the planes, pulled stunning flight maneuvers beyond the capability of even expert pilots; and, managed to cause damage to their targets —

one of which just happens to have been the most heavily defended building in the world — so extreme as to be in clear violation of several well understood laws of Physics, Chemistry, and Thermodynamics.

This amazing conspiracy theory is even more suspicious and bizarre in that it is the one proffered by the United States Government (USG) and the 9-11 Cover-Up Omission Commission. In the 9-11 Truth Movement we call it the Official Conspiracy Theory (OCT).

Thankfully, despite the best efforts of the corporate-controlled media and virtually the entire US Congress, there are literally millions of people in this country and millions more around the world who do not believe that these 19 Arabs, as clever as they purportedly were, could have somehow suspended the laws of Physics on 9-11.

9-11... Who really did it?

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 01:14 | Link to Comment Element
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Hey dp, just want to point out that the main image from within your link (on the "Forensic Evidence Reference Page") has obviously been faked and is entirely contrived.
Look at the flaps, they've been fully deployed!
There is no way in hell either of those aircraft hit the WTC at full throttle, in a shallow dive, near to sea level, with barn-door sized  fowler-flaps fully-deployed. Those flaps would have been ripped off, if not the wings also, and the aircraft would have been so massively out of pitch-trim that it probably would have been completely uncontrollable, in the pitch axis. In other words, there's no possibility whatsoever that that isn't a fake image.
This is not a good look for a "Forensic Evidence Reference Page", and I'm sure I'm not the first person to have noticed, so why is such an image still being used, anyway? The webmaster can't possibly not know that it's a completely faked image.

Clearly they've used it for melodramatic effect but when style trumps substance it's done in order to create illusions, lies and bullshit themes. That sort of nonsense does not help the case, it completely undermines it. Maybe if you have a contact within that site you can pass that on.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 02:17 | Link to Comment DavidPierre
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Point taken and agree... questionable graphics!

"please bear with us - site is still under construction"

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 03:02 | Link to Comment Element
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no problem ;-)

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 21:45 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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Gotta wonder if Snowden's sitting on an ace-in-the-hole with a death-by-a-thousand-cuts strategy that ends with the truth about 9/11 (prefaced, penultimately, by the truth about Pearl Harbor and/or JFK).

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 03:52 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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Well, DP, I agreed with Element, that it is extremely difficult to tell which of the electronic "evidence" regarding the alleged planes, supposed to be involved on 9/11/2001, in the form of the various videos, and/or photos, were real, and which were faked.

But nevertheless, the basic common sense concept that a steel frame building can NOT suddenly collapse from ordinary fires is overwhelming. On that basis alone, there is no reasonable doubt that the events on 9/11 must necessarily have been an inside job, false flag attack. (Of course, there too, reasonable doubt exists about what the mechanisms were that caused three World Trade Center buildings to so suddenly collapse on 9/11.)

THAT IS RELEVANT to the general theme of the article above regarding the effort made by the mass media to mislead people regarding "Reality vs. Storyline." However, in the end, the REALITY is trillions of times worse than any politically possible resolutions of the preposterous STORYLINE that I am aware of. In my opinion, there is an advanced plan to deal with the foreseeable future problems which mostly involved mass murdering the majority of people, through almost every means possible. The reasons I think that are not merely that we have a fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting system, and mostly bogus economic statistics, which are dealt with through LYING BY OMISSION about all that by the mass media. The reasons I think that are the basic exponential growth OVERSHOOTING problems.

There's No Tomorrow

(peak oil, energy, growth & the future)

Since our actual governments operate through evil deliberate ignorance which was agreed with by the vast majority of the population, the video above grossly underestimated the degree to which mass murder shall become the actual "solution" to those real problems. Furthermore, deeper analysis indicates that NO genuine solutions are possible which do not have better death controls. BY DEFINITION, ONLY SOME FORM OF DEATH CONTROLS CAN COPE WITH THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF ENDLESS EXPONENTIAL GROWTH.

Since goofballs, spouting their impossible ideals, are worshiped by mass media as "good guys," nothing else is predictably probable, other than mass murder by death insanity situations, since more 'intelligent' forms of artificial selection have been pushed off the agenda, by deceits dominating warfare throughout the past. Meanwhile, the lists of idealized alternatives, mentioned as possible personal solutions, in the video above, appear based on deliberate ignorance of the degrees of deliberate (albeit covert) mass murders "solving" the actual problems of the "unsustainable growth."

9/11 demonstrated how it was possible to get away with mass murders, in ways which were like an investment in more mass murders, not only in foreign affairs, but also by preparing the way for democidal martial law in North America.  While the core may be more protected than the periphery, when one looks at the bigger picture, during the rest of the 21st Century, there do not appear to be any plausible political responses, other than death insanities. It is not just that the mass media and school systems tend to present a partially falsified contrast between "Reality vs. Storyline." RATHER, WE ARE LIVING IN A BIZARRO MIRROR WORLD IN WHICH ALMOST EVERYTHING IS PRESENTED IN WAYS THAT ARE PROPORTIONATELY BACKWARDS AND DISTORTED.

Unless there are some series of basic science breakthroughs, enabling currently unproven energy technologies, that are realistically possible to be developed and scaled up, which would also take even greater political miracles to enable society as a whole to adapt to go through such transitions, then the real world is rushing, faster and faster, towards its exponential growth having seriously overshot whatever might have otherwise been sustainable. I find that most of the people who partially accept those facts regarding the problem of exponential growth having destroying so much natural capital, while resting on the idea that that would always be possible to continue, (which is one of the worst of the worst psychotic disconnections of "Reality vs. Storyline") continue to be irrationally optimistic about how we might be able to adapt to that, in ways which are not primarily the result of insane death controls, in the form of mass murders.

The basic FACT that 9/11 was certainly a successful inside job, false flag attack, where the "Reality vs. Storyline" was demonstrable preposterous absurdities, sold to the public by the mass media, where blatant contradictions of common sense and the laws of physics managed to be covered over, while a ridiculously impossible "official story" was enabled to become dominant, IS WAY BIGGER THAN MERELY HAVING STARTED GENOCIDAL WARS, AND PREPARING THE WAY FOR DEMOCIDAL MARTIAL LAW!

The exponential growth of the human population and total human activities was all based on turning natural capital into garbage and pollution as fast as possible, through deliberately ignoring "Reality" in favour of the "Storyline."  Almost everything was controlled by fundamental fraudulent financial accounting systems, in the context of general systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, with respect to almost everything.

Our whole society is mostly based on presuming that growth could continue, and should return. However, that is basically impossible. There is no admission in the public space of that, because any sane debates would have to address the fundamental issues in the combined money/murder systems, that the debt controls are backed up by the death controls.  When we reach the limits to exponential growth, then, BY DEFINITION, only death controls can deal with that.

Since our social pyramid system is based on lies and violence, keeping people ignorant and afraid, "Reality vs. Storyline" is practically that we are cruising on the autopilot of history, having created a civilization that operates it death controls through the maximum possible deceits, and  its debt controls through the maximum possible frauds. Therefore, we are set to run as fast as we can into a wall, and then bounce off a cliff.

9/11 Truth is paradoxically important, in the sense of symbolically demonstrating the degree to which evidence and logical arguments are IRRELEVANT to well-established systems based on backing up huge lies with lots of violence. In that context, most people are continuing to day dream, like I tend to also do, based on irrational hopes in some series of miracles. However, setting such miracles aside, the most probable futures are going to be utterly insane and irrational death controls, causing mass murders, while any theoretical alternatives are going to have to MAYBE survive through that, in order to MAYBE become relevant.

For several decades I have been worrying that the basic world system was exponential growth, backed up by weapons of mass destruction. After thinking about those problems for several decades, I only found that the more that I learn, the worse that it gets. In that context, this kind of article by Jim Quinn is quite TRIVIAL, except for the ways that most people are engaged in the trivial forms of the disconnections between "Reality vs. Storyline" which makes such trivialities ironically relevant to more people, than the bigger basic problems are.

To understand the world systems, one has to come to terms with the ways that lies, backed by violence, control civilization, in ways which cause it to behave in increasingly insane ways, where the lies are psychotically disconnected from the "Reality" BECAUSE the "Storyline" that dominates society is primarily due to the history of being able to back up lies with violence, which never makes those lies become true, but nevertheless, still controls civilization, in the sense that the biggest bullies' bullshit is promoted by the mass media.

Therefore, this kind of article by Jim Quinn is correct, but otherwise ridiculously trivial, except that ironically is also yet again too trivial to matter. We have a globalized Neolithic Civilization based on triumphs deceits dominating its murder systems, in order to be able to back up triumphant frauds in its monetary systems. However, those basic FACTS are almost totally banished from the public spaces, such as the mass media. Therefore, collectively, we are rushing towards hitting a wall, as hard as we can, and bouncing off a cliff, which is so steep and deep that nobody can see the bottom of that!

The pyramidion people, at the top of the social pyramid system, are not preparing for anything else than more genocidal wars, and democidal martial law. The vast majority of people are not remotely close to starting to think about that in any more realistic ways, since they are almost totally the victims of the bullshit story lines they were buried under their whole lives, by the school systems and mass media. Moreover, the few that do wake up a little to more serious realities, still continue to mostly refuse to actually face them, but, like me, continue to indulge in some irrational hopes for some series of miracles.

However, without some series of miracles, then the 21st Century is most probably going to result in the majority of the human population being murdered, in one way or another, and in that context, none of the nicer creative alternatives are going to emerge unscathed by those conflagrations. The deeper problem is that there must develop some human evolutionary ecology, BUT, the one we have now is based on the maximum possible deceits and frauds, backed by destructive force. The only theoretical solutions to ending the impossible continuation of more exponential growth is some kind of death controls, by definition. However, given that all of the actually existing systems have developed to be based on the maximum possible deceits, breaking through to any better solutions seems widely preposterous, especially since all the covert preparations which have actually been made are for more genocidal wars and democidal martial law.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 04:20 | Link to Comment Element
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" ... In that context, this kind of article by Jim Quinn is quite TRIVIAL, except for the ways that most people are engaged in the trivial forms of the disconnections between "Reality vs. Storyline" which makes such trivialities ironically relevant to more people, than the bigger basic problems are. ..."


I take it you also aren't too bothered by the tide coming in 3 cm higher in ~50 years?

I came to a couple of 'biggie' conclusions some years back;

(1) We already overshot a viable population level mid last century, and we've been along for the ride ever since as that plays itself out. The over shoot will naturally lead to undershoot. How that happens and when that happens is anyone's guess.

(2) I also recognized that the natural geography of our oceans and continents, their arrangements, combined with isolated cultures, and the asymmetric distribution of raw resources, and the unique regional climatic conditions of each area, and the seasonal tilt of earth, meant we were never going to make sufficient global 'connection' between all humans in time to learn enough and decide to prevent a population overshoot.


After realizing this was already the case, and that what was needed to be done was required before I was even born, and hadn't been done, in time, I ceased to worry about it.

So now I enjoy the ride and make the most of this very rare global apex-predator bloom which is an entirely natural event, so what right do I have to feel screwed-up about that process? I'm along for the ride, so is everyone else, the overshoot was set in motion before we were born, we are all a part of the overshoot, thus what we gripe about is almost all due to this wider global process, playing itself out more and more intensely toward the peak.

The process and theme of "death-controls" you speak of is an interim management tool, that is always evolving in operation, but even if that were not there, the death process of the overshoot would be.

It is inevitable that at least 7.2 billion humans will die within 100 years, and the only question is how many will still be alive in 2113? If it is as low as 1.5 billion we may get another window of opportunity to stabilize a global civilization. If not we will begin to fade out, as the planetary cycles again become less conducive to high populations of humans.

Maybe in the next interglacial we'll get another go at it.

But everyone living right now, is watching the arrival of peak-human. And the re-curve of the undershoot will be much more precipitous and abrupt than the rise.

I suppose this is why they're trying to keep everything going today, and hoping for a miracle of technology and energy. Thus they keep using your "death-controls", as essential management tools, until these are no longer effective either.

And you can bet the USSA 'continuity-of-govt' program and its extreme secrecy is all about the state's plan to survive the undershoot (even if they don't call it this).


Blue skies are coming.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 04:57 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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Well, Element, I find it hard to "enjoy the ride" when I think that most of these bad future events will be hurting young people the most. Since I may well be dead of natural causes, before things get bad enough for me to be murdered by civilization collapsing into chaos, and I had a good go of it, when I was younger, I personally do not feel that bad off. However, it bothers me that governments are so arrogantly dishonest, and that their evil deliberate ignorance will hurt young people the most ... I WISH that I could do somthing about that, but after trying for several decades, I have been forced to face the fact that I was apparently wasting my time.

Other than on that emotional note, Element, I agreed with pretty well everthing you wrote. However, as far as possible sea level rise goes, after I spent a lot of effort to try to understand that possible issue, I felt like a dog twirling around chasing its own tail. Again, the emotional response relates to the degree to which one believes Humans blamed for climate change is a justified attitude.

I find it more plausible that, in about 50 years time, sea level will have come up more than 3 meters, rather than 3 cm. However, like I said, the more I tried to research that question, the less sure I became of what to think. But nevertheless, the one thing I have not yet been able to do is stop worrying about it. On the contrary, I continue to find that the more I learn, the worse it gets, and the more I worry, including worry that there appears nothing whatsoever that I can practically do to change any of that.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 07:23 | Link to Comment Element
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Curious that it bothers you, it has the opposite effect on me, I'm very relaxed about it and don't see a 'problem', just a process. The demographics of overshoot means no matter what you do it will play-out the dynamic and it can not be deflected, almost at all. And there will always be a massive final generation of young, who will be attrited no matter which species is involved in the overshoot. Whether a govt decides to use its tools to create and maintain ignorance, to largely hide this from them, or sooth and control their perceptions and concerns is a bit irrelevant anyway, because it's baked-in, and accentuated awareness won't change this much.

Plus we're not responsible for the ignorance of others. We never have been and we never will be. It's their choice, or else their feebleness. They are always responsible for their own mind's awareness and capacity. We can all be instructed about our minds, yes, but we can not be taught about it in reality. We can only teach ourselves about that, so that's our responsibility and no one else's. I was repeatedly encouraged to shutup and go along and that absolutely failed to obtain desired results. I got trained in science and came away with the firm impression that most academic scientists are extremely unoriginal, dull, conservative, inflexible and habituated in thought, as well as mostly consensus directed and axiomatic concept dominated. They had just the wrong type of mind for penetrating inquiry to understand the bigger picture. But that was actually the nature of the staff-selection process of institutions being reflected, not the traits of average scientists. Maybe it takes a certain combination of genes, environment, experience, inclination and persona. Whatever it is, some pay attention and think for themselves but most people are mentally extremely lazy and apparently de-motivated by the very prospect of thinking, and the need for reliable knowledge or data to make it work. Others are just unable to process connections.

So I don't get why you feel responsible for the ignorance of others? For those still too young to help themselves, OK, but that's how it goes, but you know that. You are getting emotionally captured or conflicted by what you can do nothing about. A trauma nurse would move on and focus on what they can do.

The truth is that for many people ignorance really is bliss, they can't deal with it, and that's a choice they are always making. I've seen people do this many times. You can see it yourself. Just observe when something awful occurs and the TV or radio is on, and full of images and sounds of harsh realities, the person who thinks will freely and openly observe, and the person who can't deal with it, or can't process it, will want to watch a music video, or a sitcom.

Well all that is a choice being made about the mind's ability and use, and all these choices NET to maintain ignorance or to dispel it. And these are all evolutionary actions, which is to say, they all have a survival implication, and we are held responsible with our lives, for those choices. And I have no doubt that we're watching the grandest movement of evolutionary processes this planet has probably experienced up until now.

And I'm perfectly OK with it.

That's how it goes, it's not a manageable issue once the overshoot is baked-in. Like I said, the arrangement of the Earth was not conducive to us avoiding an overshoot, it was in-play before we were even born. Maybe I have a much wider-view of it, due to much study of geology and observing fossil and the blooms and die-backs of critters over time. Once you realize you're just a latent fossil among billions of others, that were around vastly longer than humans have been, and now aren't here anymore, all becomes clearer - it's not the earth or the 'environment' that's in any sort of endangered state, it's humanity that's endangered - for real. And the people worried about the 'environment' have basically got the emphasis very wrong. The environment can absorb almost anything we do to it, it will recover, the time it takes is almost irrelevant. Wouldn't even matter if it took fifty million years, the planet would come back healthier, more abundant and more speciated than ever. But humans are very unlikely to survive even a fraction of the more prosaic events this planet comes up with on a routine basis. i.e. Geology shows you that it's us who are the 'endangered-species', we are the ones least likely to continue, when you look at the full-scale geo 'environment', through time.

And after seeing so many fossils and so many critters in them I'm totally OK with this, it's a relief to know it, it's not a problem, and I'm not fatalistic, it's actually just normal. But it seems so abnormal to those who haven't seen this directly in their face each day. They freak out about the 'environment', and 'extinction', and all the actually trivial things (as per your original comment).

That probably doesn't help why you react the way you do to our pending undershoot. Take it easy on yourself, they don't actually give out Sainthoods.  ;-)

I did download and read a selection of your very detailed web pages a while back, you certainly take your topics seriously and burrow into the nitty-gritty. I do that as well I just use a spreadsheet most of the time.


btw, I could show you extensive satellite and air-photo evidence of stable cratonic coastal margins of Australia that shows recent marine sediment deposition over land, due to sea levels being considerably higher than now, at around about the time the Great Pyramid of Giza was built (mostly in the thousand years or so before it actually). We survived and so did the environment, so did all the reefs, and the critters. So don't buy into the absurd tales of sea-level rise doom, it's entirely normal and the entire biota developed around routine grand sea-level fluctuations of +/-60 meters, and numerous smaller fluctuations in between. Any one telling you its the end of the world has sausage meat for brains. It would in fact be extremely unusual if sea level were not either rising or falling by measurable amounts.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 10:38 | Link to Comment Eeyores Enigma
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rad maryjane and ele- you guys rock.

Plug this info into your equations;

Paints a whole new perspective on algae oil and sea level rise, LOL!


Sun, 12/08/2013 - 18:10 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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Thanks for that link, Eeyores Enigma!

I have bookmarked it to watch later.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 18:25 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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Again, Element, I agree with almost everything you wrote, BUT I can not adopt the same emotional attitude towards that. I guess the saying that "despair is the death of dreams" applies. I can not get over the magnitude of the TRAGEDY caused by human beings destroying their future, due to being controlled by lies and violence, resulting in evil deliberate ignorance, especially since the worst aspects of that tragedy will fall on young people who were innocent of making that happen, while those not yet born will suffer the most from the growing grand canyon gap between Reality vs. Storyline, which is headed towards psychotic breakdowns during the 21st Century, as the mass media stories get further and further away from the facts.

As in the power politics in academia that you described, Element:

"I got trained in science and came away with the firm impression that most academic scientists are extremely unoriginal, dull, conservative, inflexible and habituated in thought, as well as mostly consensus directed and axiomatic concept dominated. They had just the wrong type of mind for penetrating inquiry to understand the bigger picture. But that was actually the nature of the staff-selection process of institutions being reflected, not the traits of average scientists."

Everywhere I look, I see the influence of the funding of politics leveraging to be able to take control over everything with lies backed by violence. The worst is the way that we operate fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems, which were the triumph of organized crime controlling the powers of governments. That then was amplified everywhere, throughout all social institutions, so that basic systems of lies, backed by violence, control civilization, in ways which make people who agree with evil deliberate ignorance more personally successful within the short-term, while the longer term consequences are madly self-destructive.

I wish that I was able to entertain a more sublime view of that, but, so far, I have not succeeded in doing so. Therefore, although I agreed with almost all of your points and perspectives, personally, I still can not accept that with any emotional equanimity.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 19:15 | Link to Comment DavidPierre
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A few questions RM.

You ever go to Hangar #5 @ Jericho Beach while the Ni Chi Zu Artist Guild occupied that space (1979-80)?

Knew a crazy guy called something like "Richard the Trool"?  I think he was  Rhino Party guy?

It's been bugging me if I met you way back when.



Mon, 12/09/2013 - 04:42 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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Yeah, DavidPierre, I knew Richard the Troll well back in 1984.

However, I never went to Hanger 5 at Jericho Beach in 1979.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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"I find it more plausible that, in about 50 years time, sea level will have come up more than 3 meters, rather than 3 cm."

May be, RM, but if so, the tiny amount of CO2 we humans pump into the atmosphere can't possibly have anything to do with it: 

"Total human CO2 emissions, primarily from use of coal, oil, and natural gas, and the production of cement, are currently about 5.5 GT C per year (giga tons of carbon per year). A recent update says 8.6 GT.

"To put these figures in perspective, it is estimated that the atmosphere contains 780 Gt C; the surface ocean contains 1,000 Gt C; vegetation, soils, and detritus contain 2,000 Gt C; and the intermediate and deep oceans contain 38,000 Gt C, as CO2 or CO2 hydration products. Each year, the surface ocean and atmosphere exchange an estimated 90 Gt C; vegetation and the atmosphere, 100 Gt C; marine biota and the surface ocean, 50 Gt C; and the surface ocean and the intermediate and deep oceans, 40 Gt C."

Notice that the oceans exchange ten times as much carbon with the atmosphere as humans produce (90GT vs. 8.6 GT). Exchange means regulation. And humans only add 1% as much CO2 to the atmosphere per year as is already in it. If such a miniscule amount were as critical as propagandists claim, all life would have been destroyed long ago. Nature hasn't been sitting on a 1% knife edge for millions of years.

   Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine

As referenced by:


Sun, 12/08/2013 - 18:27 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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Yeah, Dickbuttkiss, like I said before, I have not been able to come to any final conclusions, but rather, the more I learned, the less sure I became.

One source of information that i would recommend is this:

There are a series of C(lie)mate videos there, as well as some that discuss the possibilities that the changes in more cosmic influences could in fact be sending us into another ice age, rather than global warming ???

For instance, his most popular video:

"The REAL Climate Changer"
also now has a 2.0 version ...

The "Show More" area under the daily news videos
always contain an abundance of good links listed ...

How to Watch the Sun: Spaceweather 101

Ice Age Soon?


Anyway, I tend to agree that merely humans producing more carbon dioxide is not enough to explain things, nor are all the greenhouse gases combined. The problem is that the whole picture is overwhelmingingly complicated, especially if one tries to include more cosmic stuff, like the Sun-Earth magnetic fields ...


iF, IF, IF, there was nothing but greenhouse gases due to human activities driving the climate changes, THEN we would surely be on a runaway towards global warming, with sea levels coming up by meters, then tens of meters. HOWEVER, there are lots of other things happening in the solar system, and PERHAPS the human driven climate change is only counterbalancing a natural return to another ice age?

Already, the models based on only greenhouse gases are way off from what has really happened Right now, the world is NOT warming up as predicted, ... Influences such as the Earth's magnetic field were not included in those models. Most of the research that was paid for into climate change had limited terms of reference, serving hidden agendas. I am not aware of any genuinely good science on this topic from anywhere, since it tends to always be that those with most money have the most bias behind what they are doing.

About the only thing that seems certain is that the weather appears to be getting wilder ... while what is causing that is not so sure.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:32 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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"About the only thing that seems certain is that the weather appears to be getting wilder ... while what is causing that is not so sure."

At this point, I've heard quite enough. "It's only called 'SuperStorm' Sandy by places like the BBC and the Guardian and the New York Times for emotive propaganda purposes. And you do realise that it wasn't the strongest category of hurricane. Just a cat 3…" (And only a Cat 1, I should have added, by the time it reached shore). ...

All this is a roundabout way of introducing a new report from the Global Warming Policy Foundation into extreme weather events. What the report shows is that ... there is no more evidence that there has been a recent increase in extreme weather events than there is that we are in the throes of runaway global warming.

In other words, RM, relax, as the propaganda machine continues to wash its dirty laundry with neither water nor soap, just the mud of its collecivist agenda, which is to collect as much as it can, from whoever it can, by whatever means it can, for as long as it can. 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 05:03 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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The one thing that I know for sure, DB is that all the beautiful places which I could enjoy when I was a child have been destroyed. For me personally, it truly has been "They paved paradise, and put up a parking lot."

Other than that, I have no first-hand knowledge, or ability to actually verify all the second and third hand knowledge about how the climate works, or might be changing. However, I am SURE about human nature, and there is no doubt in my mind that the real world is controlled by lies, backed by violence, which works to keep the vast majority of people ignorant and afraid.

I am SURE that all issues with respect to possible climate change, or wilder weather, fit into that bigger picture. Therefore, in the end there is no practical point to learning anything about those issues that I can actually see. The real world will continue to be controlled by lies, backed by violence, while that automatically gets more insane than ever.

I tend to believe that the greenhouse gas theory is basically correct, but it was only a part of the picture. Therefore, so far, the greenhouse gas phenomena have not done what they were expected to do, since other things, like the 10% decrease in the Earth's magnetic field shield, (and who know what else, in whatever proper perspective) have apparently not caused the climate to change as much as most climate models were predicting.

Basically, I am saying the same things now as I was saying decades ago, that the Earth appears to have been headed towards another ice age, while human effects have mitigated that, but not totally reversed it as much as was possible, and which remains possible, and which could happen relatively suddenly, and irreversibly.

Just because the ruling classes lie about almost everything important, almost all the time, does not mean that there is no truth in anything that they say. Since they are excellent liars, there is a lot of truth in what they say, since their lies are more lying by omission, through evil deliberate ignorance, than any other form of more obvious lies, at least when it comes to most basic issues of human nature and natural phenomena generally.

Therefore, I do NOT discount the threat of climate change caused by human beings. I do worry about that, and will probably continue to uselessly worry about that, because IF it is true that we are going to push things towards a change of state in the Earth's climate in an irreversible way, THEN things are going to get way worse than we can imagine now.

Remember, my basic view is that the ruling classes are planning to resolve problems by mass murdering the majority of the world's population, by every possible means. I think that the world is run by criminally insane people, and that the future is probably going to manifest consequences of that criminal insanity more and more ... I have no doubt that human beings are destroying the Earth's natural ecologies.

As I said to Element, I do not have any good ways to emotionally accept that world view, and I wish that I did not believe it, but nevertheless, I do.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 17:26 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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it's not tiny - it's gigantic and includes the loss of co2 absorption from removal of forests (unnatural, we're doing it, burning them down, cutting them down).

The oceans are now becoming more acidic, carbonic acid, due to over-absorption beyond all buffering capacity, leading sea life to die too, and that's our food.

It's game over and we did it.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 12:42 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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Rad M,

You posted a very informative link with a female speaker re: 911. She debunked a lot of info & a lot was centered on the pentagram. For the life of me I cannot find it. Would you mind posting it again so that I might pass it to two people recently awakened?


Sun, 12/08/2013 - 17:45 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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9/11 Pentagon Attack -

Behind the Smoke Curtain

- Barbara Honegger

Honegger's presentation January 12, 2013, on what happened and what didn't happen at the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. After discussing the evidence for a couple hours, Honegger reviews her conclusions regarding who ran the 9/11/2001 inside job, false flag attack. At about the 2:15 mark in that video, she states the 9/11 was not merely an evil plot, it was a diabolical plot, and at about the 2:19 mark, she states that "The Insider 9/11 Plot Was the Highest Evil." THAT is the real background. I REPEAT, that after one fully faces the fact that 9/11 was the kind of inside job, false flag attack that Honegger presents in her video, the conclusions that one is forced to come to should break through the false fundamental dichotomies that many presuppose regarding the basic nature of "government" itself!

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 03:16 | Link to Comment pointer
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yep - and the Real ID act is making everyone born after 1964 get new ID's by December 2014 in the name of 'fighting terrorism' and 'stopping fraud'.  If you don't get one you can't board a flight or enter a Federal buildling.  If you were born before 1964 you have until December 2017.

It's just a national ID card with your state's name on it - because majority was opposed to the national ID card.  So they waited a few years until the majority forgot about it and masked it over a new state issued ID.

The irony of all of this is that the US government is behind the terrorism and the to big to fail banks are behind the fraud...yet it's the people who have to jump through all the hoops in the name of safety.

On February 17, 1950, James Paul Warburg confidently declared to the United States Senate: “We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.”

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 22:57 | Link to Comment starman
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Assets, stock prices, government data, actual unemployment, poverty and the list goes on are so distorted in the US that it has it's own black hole in its own fantasy galaxy! When this shit circus comes tumbling down again I hope you hedged yourself accordingly! ZH = truth

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 23:37 | Link to Comment JR
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Good stuff, Jim. It helps to know, as you've provided here, median nominal (actual) income as well as “real” (inflation-adjusted) income to gain a better perspective of where one personally stands income-wise when comparing current purchasing power with yesterday’s. Here's another perspective on the telling inflation story by The Seniors League regarding America's seniors who are being hit with decreasing purchasing power not only from SS but by ZIRP and other fixed income disparities.

Seniors Lose 31 Percent of Their Buying Power Since 2000: 2013 Annual Survey of Senior Costs Finds Expenses Have Increased More Than Twice as Fast as Social Security COLA

May 15, 2013 (Washington, DC) – Seniors have lost almost one-third of their buying power since 2000, according to the Annual Survey of Senior Costs, released today by The Senior Citizens League (TSCL). TSCL is one of the nation’s largest nonpartisan senior advocacy groups.

In most years, seniors receive a small increase in their Social Security checks, intended to help them keep up with rising costs. But since 2000, the Social Security Cost-of-Living Adjustment (COLA) has increased benefits just 38 percent while typical senior expenses have jumped 81 percent, more than twice as fast.  Inflation has been at historic lows in recent years and seniors received a 1.7 percent COLA this year.

Category: Expense: Cost in 2000: Cost in 2013: Percent Increase, 2000-2013


Ownership costs, N/A, N/A, 37%

Apartment rental, N/A, N/A, 46%

Homeowner’s insurance (annual), $508.00, $993.00, 95%

Real estate tax (annual),$690.00, $1,405.44, 104%

Heating oil (gallon),$1.15, $3.97, 247%

Natural gas (per thousand cubic feet), $6.37, $9.19, 44%

Electricity (per kw hr), $.08, $.11, 38%


Gas, all grades (gallon), $1.31, $3.37, 157%

New & used vehicles, N/A, N/A, (-1%)

Oil change, $23.11, $66.03, 186%

Maintenance/ repair, N/A, N/A, 49%

Medical, Total out-of-pocket medical expenses, $1,074.50, $1,338.94, 25%

Prescription drugs, generic, brand, special, $623.70, $635.05, 2%

Dental, general visits, $377.40, $565.69, 50%

Medicare Part B premiums (monthly), $45.50, $104.90, 131%

Medicare Part D premiums, $25.93, $40.18, 55% (since 2006)[i]


10 lbs. potatoes, $2.98, $5.98, 101%

1 lb. butter, $2.52, $3.50, 39%

Milk (gallon), $2.78, $3.53, 27%

Eggs (dozen), $0.93, $1.93, 108%

Ground chuck (lb.), $1.90, $3.40, 79%

Chicken (lb.), $1.06, $1.50, 42%

Bread, white loaf, $.91 , $1.42, 56%

1 lb. coffee, $3.54, $5.90, 67%

Apples (lb.), $.95, $1.35, 42% 

Oranges (lb.), $.61, $.99, 62%


Recreation, misc., N/A, N/A, 12%


First class postage, $.33, $.45, 33%

Basic phone service, local, $55.37, $73.44, 33%


Clothing, N/A, N/A, (-2%)


Personal care products, N/A, N/A, 5%

Personal care services, N/A, N/A, 36%.

“This survey illustrates why budget proposals that would cut the growth of COLAs would put millions of older and disabled Americans at risk of insufficient income to cover more growing expenses,” says Larry Hyland, TSCL chairman.  “To put it in perspective, for every $100 worth of expenses seniors could afford in 2000, they can afford just $69 today.” Hyland adds.

A senior with the average Social Security benefit in 2000 received $816 per month, a figure that rose to $1,129.80 by 2013.  However, that senior would require a Social Security benefit of $1,477.00 per month in 2013 just to maintain his or her 2000 buying power.

The study examined the increase in costs of 32 key items between 2000 and January 2013. The items were chosen because they are typical of the costs seniors must bear.  Of the 32 costs analyzed, 20 exceeded the COLA.  The selected items represent eight categories, weighted by approximate expenditure.

A majority of the 54 million senior and disabled Americans who receive Social Security depend on it for at least 50 percent of their total income, and one in three beneficiaries rely on it for 90 percent or more of their total income.

To help protect the buying power of earned benefits, The Senior Citizens League is fighting proposals to cut COLAs.  TSCL has developed an online calculator for the public to learn how much a COLA cut would cost in Social Security income.  Visit

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 00:12 | Link to Comment Element
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Things are looking up Jim - proof!



Big Profits in Gulfstream G650 Flipping
By Mark Phelps / Published: Nov 27, 2013
"A London business jet broker reports it has sold a Gulfstream G650 for an owner who took delivery in July. The jet went to a Japanese real estate firm for $70 million, netting a profit of $10 million, according to The Jet Business (despite the fact that list price on the G650 is $64.5 million). /.../ It is not uncommon for new owners to flip a business jet shortly after taking delivery, though the practice is frowned upon by manufacturers for a variety of reasons. /.../ Sometimes demand for the jets skyrockets, production backlogs grow and new buyers are willing to pay millions to get their aircraft sooner rather than later. ..."


Long G700 moonshot

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 01:26 | Link to Comment nostromo17
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It is Interesting that inflation adjusted income is about crossing nominal income so apparently there is no inflation and we are on the cusp of deflation. -Unless nominal income contains inflation in it as it should and inflation adjusted income is improperly adjusted (it would be lower than nominal). Of course doing the TIPS versus nominal bond subtraction doesn't work either because TIPS are purchased as flight to quality bonds after the regular ones. So, hah hah, we can only wait and see if any of this makes any sense by waiting for a delfationary spiral. Good luck too all and Happy Holidays.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 09:50 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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It is crossing because it has to. The "real" numbers are pegged in October 2013 $. Read the upper caption of the graph.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 03:25 | Link to Comment pointer
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2 minutes ago there were 14 tweets and 4 facebook likes on this story.

I post a comment, page refreshes and now there are 83 tweets and 0 facebook likes.

Something fishy going on here...

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 09:58 | Link to Comment trader1
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do you also notice the "comments" and "new comments" stats below the article headlines on the main page?  

shouldn't both stats = same amount if you've never clicked on the article?

things that you make you go hmmmm....

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 14:25 | Link to Comment jonjon831983
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"Norway Poised to Relax Rules to Fight House Price Deflation"


"Norway is moving closer to easing mortgage lending standards as the nation’s deflating property market prompts concern among lawmakers that existing regulations are too tight.

Real estate prices, which have doubled over the past decade and touched a record high this year, are now dropping faster than the central bank had predicted. The Conservative-led government, which won power in September, says it’s now looking into raising the amountbanks can lend to borrowers to 90 percent of a property’s value, from 85 percent previously, in an effort to support first-time buyers."

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