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70% Of Calfornia's Doctors Expected To Boycott Obamacare

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We need some recognition that we’re doing a service to the community. But we can’t do it for free. And we can’t do it at a loss. No other business would do that,” exclaims the president of the California Medical Association, as The Washington Examiner reports, independent insurance brokers estimate 70% of California's 104,000 licensed doctors are boycotting the exchange. “The Covered California board says we have plenty of doctors, and they allege they have 85 percent of doctors participating, but they’ve shown no numbers," and if a large number of doctors either balk at participating in the exchange or retire, the state’s medical system could be overwhelmed. “Enrollment doesn’t mean access, because there aren’t enough doctors to take the low rates of Medicaid,” warns one health director. “There aren’t enough primary care physicians, period.”


Via The Washington Examiner,

An estimated seven out of every 10 physicians in deep-blue California are rebelling against the state's Obamacare health insurance exchange and won't participate, the head of the state's largest medical association said.


“It doesn't surprise me that there's a high rate of nonparticipation,” said Dr. Richard Thorp, president of the California Medical Association.




California offers one of the lowest government reimbursement rates in the country -- 30 percent lower than federal Medicare payments. And reimbursement rates for some procedures are even lower.




“Some physicians have been put in the network and they were included basically without their permission,” Lisa Folberg said. She is a CMA’s vice president of medical and regulatory Policy.


“They may be listed as actually participating, but not of their own volition,”




This is a dirty little secret that is not really talked about as they promote Covered California,” Waters said. He called the exchange's doctors list a “shell game” because “the vast majority” of his doctors are not participating




“The Covered California board says we have plenty of doctors, and they allege they have 85 percent of doctors participating," notes Mazer. "But they’ve shown no numbers."




Enrollment doesn’t mean access, because there aren’t enough doctors to take the low rates of Medicaid,” he said. “There aren’t enough primary care physicians, period.”




Briscoe professed not to be surprised by the refusal of doctors to participate in Covered California. “It rings true. I’ve been kind of wondering in my head, ‘How are they offering such low premiums?’ ”


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Sat, 12/07/2013 - 15:39 | 4224839 TeamDepends
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<  Yes We Can't

<  No We Can

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 15:47 | 4224868 Atlas_shrugging
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but, but, I have a right to healthcare don't I?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 15:59 | 4224895 onewayticket2
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"It's in the Geneva Convention....Look it up!"

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:06 | 4224918 Sudden Debt
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yeah, just after the section "the right to drone people"

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:12 | 4224936 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Isn't working for a loss tantamount to slavery?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:30 | 4224983 MonsterBox
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que Directive 10-289.  To retire is to desert.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:18 | 4225097 Pure Evil
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I guess when the FSA thought that health care would be free, what they actually meant is that the doctors would be providing it free of charge.

Go FSA, Go!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 18:59 | 4225348 johnQpublic
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if you like your doctor, you can keep your ....oh never mind

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 19:25 | 4225408 Double.Eagle.Gold
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my son is entering med school.

he's decided to pursue a Phd + MD & focus on research.

primary care is end-of-life.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 19:36 | 4225425 Bananamerican
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"85% of doctors are participating"

How many are Physician's Assistants?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 19:43 | 4225435 smlbizman
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i think you misread the article...85% of the remaining 30% are going to give 110% and treat 40% of the new illegals and be paid just 25% of the existing 75% that they used to get paid...go team....

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 11:21 | 4226570 mick_richfield
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Yes, it seems difficult to lay people, but you only need to apply the concept of imaginary numbers.

Like 'eleventy-one' and 'thirty-twelve'.

It's a little confusing at first.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:23 | 4228082 Shocker
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So much is messed up with this economy and the new healthcare law, Were do we even begin to fix it.

Economic Job Picture -


Mon, 12/09/2013 - 03:34 | 4228635 buyingsterling
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We're not going to fix it. We're going to muddle through until we pass the point of no return. Then reality will fix everything.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:57 | 4225717 Jeremy Roenick
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Or....   If you like your doctor you can keep him, but that doesn't mean he has to keep you.  

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 09:46 | 4226458 nmewn
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And as we wait for all the Rube Goldberg aspects of the technocratic "progressive" activism of ObamaCare to slap people out of their slumber...lets play ObamaCare, the board game!

"The game highlights actual taxes and penalties of Obamacare, and references specific sections of the law - along with funny exaggerated penalties. Being taxed out of existence has never been so much fun!

The game set consists of (1) 18”x18” Bi fold game board, (6) Player Tokens & Stands, (21) Obamacare Penalty Cards, (4) Private Industry Description cards, (5) Insurance Policy cards, (2) Dice and $5000.00 ObamaBucks play money."

Going broke has never been so much fun!!! ;-)

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 13:27 | 4226792 Miffed Microbio...
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Oh Nmewn, you don't know what is like being in the belly of the beast. I've been playing that hellish game for years now, it's just gotten much nastier and more ruthless now. One wonders when one will land on a square with 4 hotels and be crushed. No get out of jail free card. Every turn of the board one gets less and less money but rents increase. I'm tired of my Sisyphean Life. There's no end in sight. I want to buy that game and shove it up someone's ass. It disheartens me even worse he may get off on that.


Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:10 | 4224927 Gringo Viejo
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I simply can't believe what CHILDREN these people are.
Altogether now
"when you wish upon a star,
makes no difference who you are"..........

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:13 | 4224938 Wyatt Junker
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My GP at Kaiser's been getting fucked ever since this law passed.  Kaiser has him on call 24/7/365.  They own him.  No life.  He gets up at 5:00AM both weekends and weekdays and doesn't get to leave the hospital until 10 or 11 PM.  He's a serf, a slave.

After tapping my patellas with a rubber mallet, he told me he did the calculation and on an hourly basis he only makes $11 an hour.

He fucking despises Obama.

He's only 38 years old, just paid off his student debts and is already thinking of leaving the field.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:58 | 4225061 mjk0259
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He's making a salary. The employer will try to minimize the salary. This happens in every field and was the experience of most doctors who have to work for a salary as a GP. It's when they have their own practice that they get rich. For that they have to work for someone who has one and eventually buy them out.




Sat, 12/07/2013 - 18:36 | 4225297 disabledvet
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gee thanks. I feel so much better now. First the fast food this! the Free Shit Army marches on!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:34 | 4225132 DaveyJones
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the "medical" community has now lost all control of their practice. I don't blame them for standing up. Like every other industry it has been taken over by gigantic criminals who bribe the politicians, destroy competition, and make a second rate even dangerous product.  

This "scheme" is the bastardized version of something that comes from "the other side" proving both of these parties are worse than whores and will hurt their consitutents to make a buck   

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 18:09 | 4225229 Shad_ow
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Thank you.  This is what most Americans do not realize.  The rates for medical care are blamed on the professionals who have given countless hours training and taken on huge debt to get to the point they can make a difference and a good living.  They are demonized for the corruption in politics and the lack of tort reform.

Are they all guiltless?  No, but as a whole, they have little control in this.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:06 | 4225590 DaveyJones
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my mother went back to school after five children and became a pediatric nurse, my father in law has been a radiologist forever, and there are others in the field. I just finished a strange criminal case that had a tremdous amount of brain injury and other severe conditions. It made for intesting issues when the cop jumped the client for little reason. Just about everyone in the industry, at least the honest ones, think it is quickly going down like everything else). They also think the exploding prices and poorer quality are a byproduct of corruption    

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 22:03 | 4225725 TBT or not TBT
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Paging Dr. Galt.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 11:23 | 4226574 mick_richfield
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You know I guess that if we asked Dr. Galt what we can do to help our country get well again, he would say :

"You should walk. Away. "


Sun, 12/08/2013 - 04:10 | 4226297 FreedomGuy
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Who is it that "bribed" the politicians to get what? Let me suggest this is primarily driven by leftist ideology and this is what you get.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 14:37 | 4226954 11b40
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Are you blind, or just ignorant?

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 14:56 | 4227007 FreedomGuy
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I have taken four exams on ACA. How about you? Prove your point.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 19:44 | 4227663 11b40
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If this was driven by leftist ideology, there would be exactly zero private insurance companies involved.

This is the equivelant of a horse designed by a left/right committee....and it looks like a camel.  It was put together by a bunch of corporatist sops masked as servants of the people.

And what, pray tell, does taking a test on the details of a document have to do with the entire philosophy & method behind the docs construct?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:34 | 4228872 Keyser
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The only reason the US is not on a single payer system today is that it would require the dismantling of the entire health insurance industry as we know it. Along with the accompanied layoffs and unemployment, only making the employment situation worse, not better. Heaven help the US should it ever go single payer as the gubbamint will own it, lock, stock and barrel. Nuff said. 

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 04:18 | 4231757 FreedomGuy
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It means I have have actually read large parts of it for actual implementation moron. Maybe you are an expert in metalurgy never having read a book? Perhaps you are qualified for brain surgery with no reading. Was that a serious comment?

Anyway, I will actually agree with the second part of your statement. The healthcare bill is a committee bill. It IS driven by an ideology but limited by what they thought they could pull off. So, it is a Frankenstein of a creature assembled from bits and parts of markets, government power and favors to certain groups...probably not the ones you think.  This Frankenstein will not live, though no matter what they try to do to it, I assure you. It is broken from the get-go. I cannot tell if it is broken by design or ignorance but I still assert ideology is behind it. Why else would you even try to take over healthcare in the first place?

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 12:23 | 4232670 11b40
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FreedomGuy writes, "Why else would you even try to take over healthcare in the first place?"

The use of the words "take over" implies an immediate bias toward the status quo, but the status quo has been on an unsustainable trend line for more than a decade.  The Medical/Industrial complex has been sucking up an ever larger portion of the GDP, and it has goten totally out of control.  The average consumer soon discovers how bad it is soon after needing it for anything serious.  Any small business is reminded how bad it is every year when their policy has to be renewed.  Any individual trying to find a decent, affordable policy on his own quickly finds out how bad it is.  Over 60% of all personal bankruptcies are directly related to medical issues, and in most of those cases, the people had what they thought were good policies.

You can see my opinion of tha actual legislation drafted above.  It sucks, but to question the very need for mandated reform of something that takes up such a big piece of the economy is to bury your head in the sand.

What your your 'solutions'?

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 21:16 | 4238323 FreedomGuy
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You think like a leftist. If you see a result you don't like you accuse then claim the right to take it over. Gas prices have doubled under Obama raising the percentage of GDP it is "sucking up". What controls are there? Should we take it over? Should we take over every industry sector that grows or doesn't do what we wish? Did you know the U.S. government itself is "sucking up" an ever larger percentage of GDP? Makes healthcare look like pikers. We should take control of that to get a decent affordable government. There is no particular specific reason to do a wholesale takeover of healthcare. I assert there is no Constitutional right to do that even though that is laughable these days.

Second, what evidence do you have that the government can and will actually improve things even if you agree it has a right to seize any industry it wishes? Would you agree that the early evidence is that they have royally screwed it up? I assert government does not know how to do anything. It has to learn how from the private sector. I also assert, by it's nature, government cannot do anything efficiently or effectively over time. Name any government programs that is doing well. Name anything the government delivers efficiently besides drone missiles and IRS audits.

My head is not in the sand. I work in healthcare, moron! That's why I take exams.

Let me meet you halfway on solutions. First, Americans make a choice on what they wish to spend money on. Over the last half century the things you can do to and for people in medicine has exploded, from MRI's to Viagra. These things did not exist at the beginning of my life. So, there is more to buy in medicine at any price. Second, America is aging and fat. You are going to spend more GDP with those two things alone. It doesn't matter if all meds are generic and a doctor's trip cost less than a meal. Lots more people will need lots more care and therapy. That is part of your GDP problem. Third, the government raises prices because of many many rules. Everything from the long expensive training needed for doctors to medicine regulation and limitation to liability costs to a third party payor system all raise expenditures. THIS is where government review and intervention is appropriate. Government should look and say "Where do we affect the current situation negatively?" and intervene at those points.

Simple, quick and cheap things would be to make insurance and medical expenditures tax deductible to individuals so we can all buy our own. You could also buy riders like guaranteed insurability similar to life insurance. You could never ever be dropped for any condition, then. Simple, yes! Will it be done? Hell no. No control in that. How much legal/tort reform was in the 2000 page bill? Answer: none, zippo, null set! How is that possible?

The bankruptcy thing is a false stat. Ask yourself this. What is the single biggest expenditure in the lives of all productive people? Hint: It is not medical care or anything in the private market.

In this country we have got to quit be suckered into thinking that the people who actually bring you a product or service or the evil people or problem. It is a sucker play for those who desire power. The Medical/Industrial complex???? Hahaha. That is a good joke. Many parts of it are at odds with each other. There is no central committee for central control of medicine. You have been on leftist sites with those terms.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:30 | 4228380 All Risk No Reward
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"Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder."
~George Washington

It is very simple, the Debt Money Tyrant class, defined money as interest bearing debt in order to systematically and covertly asset strip society.

George Carlin referred to this class as The Owners.

They have always existed and still exist today.  Read a history book and look deeper than "great empire."  Great empire means The Owners enslaved the hell out of everyone and went rampaging raping and pillaging to get more territory.  They never quite make that clear in a way that the students will look for their version of The Owners, though.

Debt Money Tyranny works like this...  PDF contains graphical money flow that shows society outside the Debt Money Tyrants never have enough money to pay back their debts.

Debt Money Tyranny

In addition, these criminals have inserted themselves into the Federal Reserve where they get to trade on insider information all the day long and right in your peasant face.

The process works like this...

The Debt Money Tyrants have the vast majority of the money.  They don't all have to like each other, just like dueling Vice Presidents in a company might not like each other but, like the VPs, THEY WILL WORK TOGETHER TOWARDS THE GREATER GOAL.  If your imagination is stunted and can't fathom it, well, reality isn't circumscribed by your stunted imagination.

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been
introduced into our midst. It rejects even the assumption that human creatures could espouse a philosophy which must ultimately destroy all that is good and decent."
~J. Edgar Hoover, The Elks Magazine (August 1956)

They've used this Money Power to put in place economic incentives throughout society.  Government is not excluded.  In fact, it is a priority, as is the media and every major establishment organization.  Schooling, medicine, you name it.

While the Rockefeller family leaders are in on it, they are not the the totality of it.  They work with others to achieve their objectives.

Rockefellers were directly involved in directing the debt based monetary fraud system, the conversion of eduction to schooling (1) and the promotion of allopathic medicine, an approach that Rockefeller, the Rothschild financiers and the royalty of Europe all REJECTED (2).  They relaized they didn't have to spend all the money, they just had to outspend the 2nd place bidder, then they could leverage that control into using tax payer monety to help impose their private agenda on America and the world.

And ignorant boobs think these people are dumb, not knowing that they've been duped into financing their debt enslavement with their own money...  pretending to be dumb is a Sun Tzu, Art of War tactic to used to fulfill the strategy of destroying your enemy through deception WITHOUT EVER HAVING TO PHSYCIALLY FIGHT ONESELF (read the book)!

What does one need in order to get elected in the first place?

Money, the more the better.  Media attention, the more the better.

GUESS WHO FINANCES THE MEDIA?  Guess why Ron Paul gets bad press?  The feable minded have been duped into believing this is conspiracy theory.  A dumber than door nails dog knows better - you don't bite the hand that feeds you.  IT IS MICROECONOMICS!  If you are a reporter, you aren't going to get a story that destoys the station's financiers past the editors and, if you do, you know you will get fired for airing it.  Cenk got canned.  Judge Nap got canned from his own show.  Dylan Ratigan got canned from his lead position on Fast Money within a week of saying Banksters committed fraud and need to go to jail.  You are paying attention, right?

The Rockefeller Class people went after the media before most people alive today were ever born.

"...the J.P. Morgan [banking] interests.... and their subsidiary organizations got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press of the US.... They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers. editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information...."
--Congressman Oscar Callaway statements were included in the Congressional Record (vol. 54, February 9, 1917, p. 2947)

The point is the media is controlled and so is the debt money system.  Politicians aren't so much as bribed, but they are financed and promoted into office by WHO?

The people with the most money and who finance and control the major media outlets.  WHO is that?  "The Owners."

Now, if you were them, would you finance and promote people who were out to do violence to your agenda?

Are you dumber than door nails?  No, you aren't, so you wouldn't  Neither are these folks.  It isn't that "blank slates" are elected then bribed, IT IS THAT COLD BLOODED OWNER CLASS OPERATIVES ARE PUT INTO POSITIONS OF POWER AND THEN DROP SOME KABUKI THEATER ON THE IGNORATI.

I call this crowd Biggest Finance Capital.  Research WHO is at the very TOP of the MONETARY SYSTEM.  By that, I mean control, not the spokes hole front man (Greenspan and Bernanke) that they put in front of you to take the heat off themselves (3).  They learned from the French Revolution, if you know what I mean.  Too bad the Ignorati has not.

(1) "We want one class of persons to have a liberal education, and we want another class of persons, a very much larger class, of necessity, in every society, to forego the privileges of a liberal education and fit themselves to perform specific difficult manual tasks."
~Woodrow Wilson

(2) Rockefeller Medicine Men

Rockefeller Medicine Men (James Corbett)

"Despite his personal preference for homeopathy (REJECTING what he created for you!), Rockefeller, on Gates's advice, became one of the first great benefactors of medical science."

"In 2002, de Rothschild studied at the College of Naturopathic Medicine, London where he received an advanced Diploma in Natural Medicine, ND"

"In 2001 he bought a 1,100 acre organic farm in New Zealand"

Got that?  I highly recommend you spend some time reviewing the following resources:

In addition to these pragmatic goals, the powers of financial capitalism (The Owners) had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank, in the hands of men like Montagu Norman of the Bank of England, Benjamin Strong of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, Charles Rist of the Bank of France, and Hjalmar Schacht of the Reichsbank, sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:48 | 4225154 ebear
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I met a guy on holidays some 15 years ago who had switched from aerospace to medicine.  I said, that's quite the career change, isn't it?  Not really, was his reply. It's all applied science.  He was practicing in Caifornia at the time.  Bet he's gone back to aerospace, or on to some new challenge.  That was his thing - he liked challenges - but not the kind this sick-care system throws at you.

No doubt there's lots of doctors, especially young ones, considering a career change because of all this, and the kicker is, it won't be that hard to switch.  As my friend said, it's all applied science, and if you've got a PhD on your resume, you're better than half-way to whatever comes next.

Or you could just move to another country. Not that difficult with a degree in medicine.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 18:42 | 4225314 disabledvet
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did he self medicate before or after providing are? or even both? more to point did he call the whole point of care "self medicating"...a kind of mind/body spiritual form of "self-giving" that the end..."heal thyself broken bone! heal thyself!"

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:41 | 4228484 All Risk No Reward
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More like "misapplied science" in many cases.

A major part of medicine is controlled by those who finance Big Pharma and their corporate mandate is to maximize profits.

What do you think happens to science that minimizes their profits?

Let me put it this way, The Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the royalty are all into homeopathic and naturopathic medicine and eating organic food.

They have the science, but their money makes sure you don't get it.

If you can't prove it with cited data and logic that assembles the data in non contradictory way while not relying on logical fallacy(ies), you don't know it.



If it was applied science, we'd see science to back it up, but we don't.  No randomized double blind placebo study to prove ingested fluoride is effective atreduyciing tooth decay in 60 frackin' years?  That's the FIRST THING ONE WOULD DO IN A SCIENCE BASED SYSTEM!  The doctors are indoctrinated, but their pants come off when you actually require them to provide the data and logic to back up their Rockefeller (the guy bankrupting you through fraud debt money, BTW - oh, to be ignorant!) financed false narrative.

Impact of fluoride on neurological development in children

"The average loss in IQ was reported as a standardized weighted mean difference of 0.45, which would be approximately equivalent to seven IQ points for commonly used IQ scores with a standard deviation of 15."

They had to add that clarification because the Rockefeller Media was out lying about the results.

In this way, one could develop a system that would seriously impair the brain performance of very large populations in selected regions over an extended period...."
~Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages (1970), page 57

"The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities."
~Zbigniew Brezinski, Between Two Ages, America's Role in the Technotronic Era 1970

Says the very guy who created the group that would become and al Qaeda and was used as a pretext to set up the authoritarian system he so lusted after.  A Rockefeller Hatchet Man.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:46 | 4225163 StychoKiller
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Dr. Nick:  "Calm yourself, you're going to give yourself skin failure!"

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 18:01 | 4225209 Wage Slave
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"The coroner? I'm sooooo sick of that guy."

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 11:45 | 4226614 mess nonster
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Coroner... now that's a growth position under Obamacare!

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 12:26 | 4226700 mofreedom
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Please provide a link to this quote.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 19:35 | 4225419 Pee Wee
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Your so-called doctor is lying.

GP's make considerbly more than you are being led to believe, even without all the Obama-drama or being on call.

If doctors are so mad they would be at the throats of insurers and big pharma, the authors and benefactors of expensive medicine.   They are not in the least bit.  Doctors and the AMA restricting the number of physicians are just as in bed with the racket of medicine as everyone else.

Has anyone seen a hospital NOT building a new wing or expanding the last few years?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:58 | 4225723 Eugene9876
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Doctors and hospitals paid on completely separate fee schedules, and with different parts of Medicare. Saying that hospitals are building new wings and the physicians are in cahoots (I assure you they are not) is like saying there are new McDonald franchises so the fast food workers must be getting paid bundles.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 23:15 | 4225862 capitallosses
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I have first hand knowledge that KP is pushing their GPs harder and harder, making their lives quite miserable. Yes, they earn pretty good salaries, but nothing extraordinary and not what they should after the extraordinary investment and sacrifice they made in their education. It can only continue to get worse, and the increasing pressures combined with likely lower pay is going to just break the system.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 01:01 | 4226081 vanityvanity
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Hospitals are going tango uniform left and right, at least in our state.

Medicine is too expensive because fees are set by third parties so Dr. Awesome gets the same fee as Dr. Awful. And patients don't really care how much that unnecessary test is because they are completely covered or have an insignificant copay.


Barack Obama isn't the worse thing to happen to medicine. WWII wage controls and LBJ birthed this beast.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 04:15 | 4226299 FreedomGuy
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You don't know squat. Your reasoning sucks and like the people who brought you the national disaster called ACA/Obamacare.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 11:20 | 4226571 FredFlintstone
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I am in a business where we design hospitals. The big systems are getting bigger and buying up smaller hospitals and they are all lining up to compete in a much bigger way with each other. Much like CVS and Rite Aid on every corner. I see it as a lot of malinvestment. We just got paid money to study the upgrade and expansion to a county hospital that is half empty. They think they need to spend the money to keep from losing patients and going out of business.

The Vetrans Administration is spending a shit load of our money right now building and renovating. Not sure why they don't send many of their people to non-gov hospitals instead of building today stuff that won't be needed tomorrow. 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:15 | 4224930 remain calm
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Who fucking needs doctors. You will just have all inclusive health insurance plan. Obama is a fucking genius. Remember Nancy Pelosi said we are going to have to read it to find out what's in it. Apparently, the janitor gets to drive the colonoscope up your ass to rule out if you cancer. What could go wrong with such a well thought out plan

Pelosi's yearly pap test is performed by the welder.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:24 | 4224969 Crash Overide
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More and more small practices are going around the system and working directly with the patient through cash and local credit.

Obamacare is a turd and people will adjust accordingly.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:26 | 4225115 yogibear
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"Pelosi's yearly pap test is performed by the welder" 

A butcher would be more appropriate.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:47 | 4225164 Tom_333
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Yupp..that´s cheap anyway. More money for the insurance companies.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:51 | 4225178 Oldwood
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As you say, we don't need no stinking healthcare, cause we got fucking genius Obama. He doesn't need any doctors to tell us what we need. He's a fucking genius and just automatically knows what we need and he's in the proccess of "giving" it to us. We are blessed to have Him and his apostles ministering to our needs as only They can know the needs of Their flock....bahhhh

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 19:46 | 4225441 RafterManFMJ
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Smart Doctors would be setting out for more hospitable climes ... Before they get tagged and GPS-Collared to ensure they serve the people.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:05 | 4224915 Sudden Debt
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Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:46 | 4225018 Long-John-Silver
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but, but, I have a right to healthcare don't I?


It depends or your expectation of the healthcare you receive.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 22:26 | 4225766 Promethus
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The right to health care is in the US Constitution between the right to an abortion amendment and amendment 69, the right to same sex marriage. Remember, before he was a community organizer but after he was an Indonesian exchange student Obama was a constitutional scholar. Didn't you people learn anything in public school?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 15:59 | 4224893 Sudden Debt
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at least Stalin got to ship protestors to Siberia if they survived the first beatings.

What does Obama have?....

it's just not a fair world....

All those doctors are clearly all racists...

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:12 | 4224934 TeamDepends
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Boy, that Trans-Siberian Orchestra can really kick out the Christmas jams, can't they?  What's that?  We can't say "Christmas" because it might offend some Muslims?  Well, tell Haji he can suck my bone!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:20 | 4224962 Sudden Debt
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it's what pisses me off so much...

we don't put up christmass trees anymore in the cities because of the muslims....

We have Saint Nikolai every year for already hundreds of years...

now his helpers who have always been black can't be black anymore...

it pisses me off beyond belief that they try to change that...

If you ask me: do you hate muslims? he answer is yes but I won't use it against them.

Now I'm starting to get so pissed about those muslims because the constantly want to remove our symbols and we can't say a damned thing about their Mustafa mohamed buddy

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:29 | 4225123 tony wilson
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sudden debt cunt..

the muslims are not your problems you filthy jew it is you you cunt and the satanists and the catholics.

blame your masons and skull and bones men you fucking moaning weak pussy.

saint nick is satan you fucking tool.

everything is saturn controlled so fuck off you satanic masonic catholic jew.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:48 | 4225172 StychoKiller
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Why would a jew want to celebrate Christmas?  Methinks thou hast reeding comprehenshun issuez!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:50 | 4225174 Sudden Debt
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I bet you're a bitcoin nerd who's pissed his pipedream is over :)

And you fit the profile perfectly my ignorant little friend :)



Is that the best you can do? :)

I see you're insulting me in a lot of posts. Are you gay and would you like to suck my dick? You sound gay....
Nitwit :)


Sat, 12/07/2013 - 18:48 | 4225328 disabledvet
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"you, you...sprout of my furry flim flam pile of ham! I flatulate in your terra farma--hardy har har. You will pay for your insomnolence infidel!"

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:30 | 4225538 Harbanger
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"we don't put up christmass trees anymore in the cities because of the muslims...."

You're wrong about that SD.  I call it like it is.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:43 | 4225688 August
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>>You're wrong about that SD.

SD may reside in a different land, perhaps one of the euroweenie nations.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 07:45 | 4226383 Harbanger
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Yikes, that's sad.  They have more problems than I thought.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 11:29 | 4226582 mick_richfield
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Well, yeah.  He's Belgian.  I mean -- look at him!

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 11:29 | 4226581 mick_richfield
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Somebody needs a hug.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 11:54 | 4226634 DosZap
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LOL, just like we knew it would, pre-planned by the gestapo,burn baby, burn baby burn, disco inferno!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:19 | 4224953 G-R-U-N-T
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While many think Obama is brilliant, either for the country or against the country, from my perspective, I have observed one thing is for sure, this man is as dumb as a sack of rocks, which doesn't say much for his electorate.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:27 | 4224976 duo
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He had the plug pulled on Mandela just in time to distract the media for two weeks.  Genius.

Note to O:  you only get to do that once.  Just like you could kill Osama Bin Laden once.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:50 | 4225033 TeamDepends
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Next on the list is Sharpton.  Nobody saw that coming!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 22:08 | 4225736 TBT or not TBT
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That would generate actual emotions of Hope in the populace. Can't have that.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:43 | 4225156 cossack55
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The pure genius is that he killed OSB 6 years before he was annointed President For Life and even more pure genius is giving OSB a kidney disease before he was even born in Kenya.  Gotta give the guy some credit.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 18:08 | 4225225 texas sandman
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While MaoBama may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, I wouldn't call this whole clusterfuck a mistake....the One has everything in place to finish off his greatest coup, a single payor healthcare system.


Understand this; the private health insurance market is now trashed.  Gone, vaporized.  Even if CONgress repealed MaoBamaCare tomorrow, what insurance plans, exactly, are people going to buy?  Only a few companies stayed off the exchanges entirely (mine, Wellmark of South Dakota/Iowa is one), so the only state approved plans available to the public would be the overpriced/underwhelming exchange plans.


 It takes six months or so to create, price and get state insurance commission approval, so quick replacement isn't an option.  The risk pools have been so clusterfucked for the old plans, just "reestablishing" them is not an option either.  Plus, since all of these people have been legally expunged from the jnsured rolls, now what do you do with the cancer patient costing you $100, 000/yr in costs, now that there's no preexisting condition mandate?   Do the Feds step in and require coverage for those dropped, a "one-off"?  


So, here we are.  Millions of people with no coverage, no way to get it.  What's the answer?  Full takeover, single payor.  You think for a moment Republicans want to vote against something that would give those now facing an impossible situatuation at least some ray of hope?  The spectacle of uninsured people with life threatening ailments being denied medical care would dominate the news cycle every day.


Nope, MaoBama may be a narcissistic maroon (H/T to Bugs Bunny), but the way I'm seeing it, he may have actually accomplished what we didn't think possible, a full blown single payor system.  Welcome to The Jungle.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 18:51 | 4225335 disabledvet
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look! sale at Penney's!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 19:32 | 4225416 drstrangelove73
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He's a dumb Marxist-I know,an oxymoron,but nevertheless

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 04:21 | 4226303 FreedomGuy
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People who actually have expertise and know how to do "stuff" can see Obama and actually most all his cabinet are empty suits. My theory is that the low information voter and starry eyed leftists who don't know squat cannot see it. It is a reliable base for the Democrat party.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:14 | 4225093 Pooper Popper
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obama your a little bitch!

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 11:31 | 4226587 mick_richfield
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Sat, 12/07/2013 - 18:15 | 4225249 rubiconsolutions
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"Honey, think you can fit it into your schedule this evening to give me a bleeding? Since I can't get into see a physician for a year it may ward off potential malady."

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 19:56 | 4225451 RafterManFMJ
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Sure thing, let me go out to the garage and get my claw hammer.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 18:27 | 4225276 rubiconsolutions
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"An estimated seven out of every 10 physicians in deep-blue California are rebelling against the state's Obamacare health insurance exchange and won't participate, the head of the state's largest medical association said."

Well of course the next logical step is to enact laws the prohibit physicians from denying service to anyone that has Medicare, Medicaid or any other mandated coverage. That way they will have to treat all patients regardless of their ability pay or insurance coverage. I mean, if the government wants control they have to take total control or the whole thing is a non starter, right? And really, aren't physicians just selfish for wanting to make money?   (yeah, yeah.../s if you are keeping score at home)

On a side note, wouldn't it be ironic if doctors who can't afford insurance have to go on Medicaid and then can't find a doctor to treat them when they get sick because most doctors won't treat Medicaid patients?

We are so screwed in this country.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 19:02 | 4225360 disabledvet
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they don't want control. they want to give the order and have you carry it out. I don't understand why people never get this. "the point of the Government telling the doctor what to do is not to see that he does it but to see if he complies with the order." insofar as anything being done "that's the compliance section whic is a completely serperate division. and no...there is no oversight of that either." if you have a complaint please fill oh form 371-b and submit it "in re of action" to "whom it make concern." be sure to keep a copy for yourself...send two copies via certified mail...return receipt requested...allow for seven to ten WORKING days for request to be accepted. do not...I NOT put your name, telephone number, address...anything that might identify you as the sender of said material as we have great concern for your privacy and quite honestly once we know who you does everyone else. we look forward to getting back to you in a timely fashion and look forward to any further requests you might have with and of the compliance division. Thank you and have a joyful holiday.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 19:25 | 4225406 rubiconsolutions
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"they don't want control. they want to give the order and have you carry it out." You're kidding, right? Of course they want control. This is the whole idea of government - control. When you say they "want to give the order and have you carry it out" there must be some coercion behind that. Government has the tools at its disposal to force people into compliance. As George Washington said - "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action"

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 04:21 | 4226305 FreedomGuy
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They tried that in the past with Medicare. It had to be repealed because it was Unconstitutional on the face of it. It is forced servitude.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 10:20 | 4226481 Eugend66
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Maybe all of them good docs want to take care of Pelosi and Feinstein. May both rot in hell.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 15:41 | 4224847 Seasmoke
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The other 30% are going to become rich. 



Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:03 | 4224904 Sudden Debt
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yeah... it's always a nice sight to see when we callt he doctor for a house visit when he shows up with his porche in the driveway...
at least the doc is always fine..

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:31 | 4224974 G-R-U-N-T
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Mine drives up in a Rolls because he earned it and deserves it! You can take your covetousnes nature and stick it up your ass!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:59 | 4225064 Sudden Debt
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didn't got laid during the weekend he?

must be because you're a complete moron... but it could also be that you look like a dog...
but dog or not... you're a moron.
Work on it. People will hate you less.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:15 | 4225090 G-R-U-N-T
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Cry me a river, putz! Sounds like you have a bone to pick with the productive, a terrible feature of parasitism.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 18:23 | 4225265 Jerome Lester H...
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Oh, the irony...
"'re a moron" posted by the guy that preceded that pronouncement with
"didn't got laid during the weekend he?".

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 01:38 | 4226150 Sudden Debt
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you didn't got laid either he?

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 11:33 | 4226593 mick_richfield
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I didn't either.

In fact ..   Sudden Debt, I've always wanted to tell you how cute you are....


Mon, 12/09/2013 - 10:31 | 4228969 rubiconsolutions
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"yeah... it's always a nice sight to see when we callt he doctor for a house visit when he shows up with his porche in the driveway..."

House call? Where do you live, Mayberry?

Sure, I'd rather have my doctor show up in an AMC Pacer.  /s

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:15 | 4224931 G-R-U-N-T
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“I quit when medicine was placed under State control, some years ago,” said Dr. Hendricks. “Do you know what it takes to perform a brain operation? Do you know the kind of skill it demands, and the years of passionate, merciless, excruciating devotion that go to acquire that skill? That was what I would not place at the disposal of men whose sole qualification to rule me was their capacity to spout the fraudulent generalities that got them elected to the privilege of enforcing their wishes at the point of a gun. I would not let them dictate the purpose for which my years of study had been spent, or the conditions of my work, or my choice of patients, or the amount of my reward. I observed that in all the discussions that preceded the enslavement of medicine, men discussed everything — except the desires of the doctors. Men considered only the ‘welfare’ of the patients, with no thought for those who were to provide it. That a doctor should have any right, desire or choice in the matter was regarded as irrelevant selfishness; his is not to choose, they said, only ‘to serve.’ That a man who’s willing to work under compulsion is too dangerous a brute to entrust with a job in the stockyards never occurred to those who proposed to help the sick by making life impossible for the healthy. I have often wondered at the smugness with which people assert their right to enslave me, to control my work, to force my will, to violate my conscience, to stifle my mind — yet what is it that they expect to depend on, when they lie on an operating table under my hands?”  -Ayn Rand (Dr. Hendricks/Atlas Shrugged)


Clear it up any?????????????????????????????

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:18 | 4224950 Wyatt Junker
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And not just doctors. Any profession that is not pubic sector.  All private businesses are weighed down by the violence of the state and the tribal mobs that demand more shit which is why regulations and wage and price controls are destroying the US.  

You don't have a right to earn a living anymore.  To Obama, its 'not fair'.  He will tell you how to run your business.  

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:24 | 4224967 G-R-U-N-T
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Indeed Mr. Junker,

They're nothing but a leagalized criminal turning the productive into a piece of their property. Most haven't a clue about the reality of what is occuring, however once they feel enough pain, this might motivate them to effect change.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 01:11 | 4226103 vanityvanity
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Bastiat's The Law - legal plunder!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:14 | 4225034 Bangin7GramRocks
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Good. Most of these people have absolutely no other skills in life. No surprise that con artists always target doctors because they are easy marks. When you stop holding your breath Mr. Doctor, enjoy the new job as a WalMart greeter. 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:55 | 4225203 Tom_333
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Have you checked out your latest health coverage statement , yet? How much did it increase? And what do you think it will set you back next year and year after that...? I´m amazed that you don´t realize that insurance is one thing - a rather simple mechanism to basically distribute risk. Now it so much more. A money-spinner for insurance companies and since a couple of months it´s also a tool for redistributing wealth. Basically you will be paying other people to vote for the Dem´s and Obama by paying for a (big) part of their health care cost. Your money will ensure a big turn-out by the free-shit-brigade at next election looking for you to pick up more of the slack. That´s socialism for you.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 18:16 | 4225254 Bangin7GramRocks
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Health insurance has always been about socialism. I have been fortunate to always have good insurance, but I only went to a doctor once in 15 years! Why didn't I get a rebate? Because my good health paid for the unhealthy people on the same corporate policy. What has changed?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 19:26 | 4225405 disabledvet
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health care is about seeing a doctor and being cared for. it's as simple as that. I'd be dead many times over if I did 't have "socialized medicine" (meaning a doctor on the payroll of the Government.) they've made me feel sick, they've made me feel good. they've put the bones back where they're supposed to be, stitched me up when I was bleeding every where, pulled the bullets out of me, told me I was fine and "get back in there." all I can say is don't ever go to an American hospital..they simply electrocute you for the fun of it while the police watch and laugh. and now they have the ACA! hahahahahahahababahahahahahahaha. all this for speculating in land you say! you should see the debt markets! hahahahahahahababahahahahaha. I've been working on a statue of Ben Bernanke that when finished I hope to be over 800 feet high...something to tower over the local State Office Building which has been vacant since the day it was built but still burns electricity like a cross at a clan convention. just trying to send a message as to "who really means business in these here parts" and everywhere else it would seem. you want me to feel sorry that someone mismanaged your pension fund and forgot to tell the taxpayer? "talk to the Sphinxer" bitch. "boy has he got a deal you can't refuse"!

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 11:10 | 4226558 FredFlintstone
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Health insurance in the US was a capitalist construct devised to compensate and retain good employees as the result of Gov control of wages in the 1940s. In the 1960s the Gov implemented some socialized medicine that has mushroomed into a market-distorting behemoth. Now we have the leviathan of ACA that will crush us.

I think true health insurance is a great concept, but it is now illegal it seems with the advent of ACA. Have everyone pay for their own care and if you like, buy a policy to cover catastrophe. Healthcare would get much cheaper if we wen back to this model.

How many enormous blobs are driven by taxi to get dialysis only to go back to their section 8 housing to eat junk and watch trash tv all day all at our cost? This is the end my friend.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 19:21 | 4225393 FredFlintstone
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The doctors that I know are among the smartest and most competent people. They will have no trouble. You sir are an ignoramus.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 23:19 | 4225871 ImReady
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100% spot on. I am met with blank stares when I bring this up to friends and family members. I own a successful sm business for 22 yrs now and we are less successful every day due to excessive govt regulation(violence). If I didn't have mouths to feed I would say fuck it and close the doors...

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 04:29 | 4226308 FreedomGuy
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The private sector is completely dominated by government. Name anything of importance that can be done without government approval and supervision. There is nothing and the lemmings are led off the cliff with terms like, "hope, change, fairness, compassion and equality". Autocracy is poison coated in chocolate.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 15:45 | 4224863 FreedomGuy
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This is what happens when you introduce force and coercion into an economic system. It is the example of a takeover (by force of law) of a huge part of an economy by people who actually do not understand how it works and have an agenda which includes punishing parts of the system. This is central planning at its finest by actual fools who do not have expertise in any part of the system and actually instinctively reject advice from people who work in those areas as "biased" and evil.

I suggest that the government take over all energy production and avoid all biased advice from people who actually know how to find, transport and produce energy. This should be followed by a takeover of all banks and financial institutions while refusing all input from anyone in banking and finance. Next, I think food production as a necessity for human existence should be taken over and please do not listen to farmers, and those involved in producing, transporting and storing food.

And finally make sure no one prospers from producing healthcare, energy, finance or food. Profit is evil and represents wasted resources than only accrue to the rich. Let the superior intellects and moral agents of government run all this more perfectly and efficiently.

Welcome to the USSA. Let us march together toward our happy future, comrades.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 15:53 | 4224882 starfcker
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that is a great post freedomguy.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:41 | 4225152 Mike in GA
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What'd ya do, steal their playbook freedomguy?  The plan looks awfully familiar. 

This is just the beginning of the "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his need."

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 15:56 | 4224888 Toxicosis
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Excellent comment. +1  Communism, socialism, and fascism all rolled into one.  I think the way the USSA is going would make Stalin and Mao blush.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:21 | 4224963 Emergency Ward
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......and Adolph beam with pride.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:29 | 4224981 duo
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Vladmir Ilyich would have been proud of you!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:54 | 4225031 G-R-U-N-T
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It's called "Statism" Toxicosis! Communism, socialism, and fascism...collectivism, welfareism, commuanterianism...It all means the same thing, that government is a legalized criminal that desires to hold power over the individual and will always use force over it's defenseless victims. Your seeing it in Obamacare and the multitude of bureaucracies. It's end result is always evenutal dictatorship and destruction.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:10 | 4225080 Toxicosis
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You are correct sir, my lack of keeping up with the ism's is now noted.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:20 | 4225102 G-R-U-N-T
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LOL, sweet!

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 04:30 | 4226309 FreedomGuy
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Let's call this one Obamunism, shall we?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 15:59 | 4224894 PacOps
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Present Venezuelan model as the most recent tried & tested .. we know the outcome. Our esteemed leaders insulated bubble is functioning quite well.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:29 | 4224980 Calmyourself
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He is not that insulated,  he just hates your honky imperialistic guts and cares not a whit who gets fucked over to get back at you and me.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:22 | 4224966 ILLILLILLI
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"Welcome to the USSA. Let us march together toward our GLORIOUS future, comrades."

Fixed it for you.

Underachievers will be dealt with accordingly....

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:27 | 4225114 Pure Evil
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Just look at what happened in North Korea when Kim Jong Ill died. Those that failed to show the proper amount of grief were hauled off and dealt with accordingly.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 18:31 | 4225284 ebear
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and indeed they should have cried, for look who replaced him!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:31 | 4224989 Freddie
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The thought they already took over banking or was it banking with their Al See Eye Aaa elites and the europoean banksters tribal families took over the govt (a long time ago-around the Civil War). 

See every president killed due to central banking and their threats against fiat money.  This included President McKinley as he was for bimetalism i.e. backing money with gold and silver.

Poppy tried to even whack the actor because he was not a Bonz man Foggy Bootom/Langlee boy.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:51 | 4225038 Colonel Walter ...
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Just let me know when it is time to harvest the crops so I can know when all us serfs are required to do our duty for are benevolent state. Just like the USSR used to do.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:57 | 4225201 G-R-U-N-T
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Colonel Walter,

Before you surrender, I suggest you read an accurate description of our first Thanksgiving. If you want to starve the community then adopt socialism as your makeshift government. I ache for the lack of knowlege about our history so many don't know.

My capitalist father whom I adored, told me before he died, that if Obamacare passes it will be the one of the last nails in the coffin for America, unless completely repealed!


Mon, 12/09/2013 - 19:51 | 4230939 Colonel Walter ...
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Right there with you. Not going to surrender, just reminded me of how a crisis would hit every time it came to harvest the collectives crops!    

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 04:31 | 4226311 John_Coltrane
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Great Post.  How soon people forget that the Soviet Union couldn't feed itself using its collective farms and 5 year plans.  If I recall over 50% of all the food production in the USSR was produced by the 1% of the land allowed to be held privately.

In the case of medicine, the future is concierge care with direct, cash payment to the doctors providing the service.  Doctors are pulling a Galt.  Supply and demand are such a bitch for central control freaks.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 13:58 | 4226862 G-R-U-N-T
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Indeed Mr. Coltrane, your observation is dead on!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 15:50 | 4224867 Arbysauce
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Pass the popcorn. This will be epic.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:46 | 4225167 Mike in GA
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Arbysauce...I get the feeling that we're not gonna be munching popcorn while watching the revolution from our warm and cozy quarters when something this "epic" ignites.   Revolution in America will be nasty, brutal, ugly and not short. 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 18:33 | 4225294 ebear
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"nasty, brutal, ugly and not short. "

Whew... for a moment I thought you were describing my wife!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:04 | 4225479 Miffed Microbio...
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Your wife obviously doesn't read ZH. Lucky you. I have my own personal NSA officer hounding me at every word. Oh to be unfettered and free from these horrid chains!


Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:29 | 4225537 Arbysauce
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Dems will be caving as fast as they can or they will be gone. Obama will de facto cave at last I think. I'd rather do pay-as-you-go health care so this will save me money by driving more doctors to supply that service. More real small-gov types will get into congress. If we're lucky we'll end up in a better place than we started due to this undeniable lesson in reality being hammered into the thick skulls of the hope n change types. The fools-and-knaves party will lose some of their fools. Optimistic? Ya I guess that is. Obama is still a wild card, and there is still a big world beyond our shores.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 04:36 | 4226312 FreedomGuy
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Honest to God, if it comes to that and those allied for Liberty I want exhile and forever ban the collectivists. At 18 you can choose to be citizen of a libertarian state. If you don't like it you are free to leave and live anywhere you please in the rest of the centrally planned world. Help at least one of them make it work over time. There will be plenty of room in those countries, too. All their self sufficient productive members will be flooding the borders to get IN.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 15:50 | 4224875 pipes
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Silly doctors. They think they will have a choice when the time comes.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:21 | 4224959 ILLILLILLI
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Oh, don't worry. They'll come around.

All that is necessary is to have some Vitamin Pb applied extrajudicially behind one ear or the other to a few of the recalcitrant doctors.

The rest will come around...

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:34 | 4224995 Calmyourself
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That would cause overdoses of PB all over the place and no one wants that..

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:49 | 4225169 cossack55
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Some do.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:17 | 4225095 Freddie
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The doctors will get with the Kennedy boys gave Marilyn - a barbiturate enema.

Oh and wait til they have SEIU, La Raza, othe runionize and new black panther nurses and other helpers in their medical practice.  Well they will be running their medical practice.  Well I am sure most of those tribe doctors and their relatives in Calif voted for this. 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:52 | 4225041 Long-John-Silver
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Silly doctors. They think they will have a choice when the time comes.


They do have a choice in the quality of care they provide to the people that force them to work.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 17:49 | 4225173 Mike in GA
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My what a large scalpel you have, Dr.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 15:57 | 4224881 Professor Fate
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But socialism's price and wage controls worked so well under the Dickie Nixon regime.  How can they not work now?  Especially with our "most omnipotent one", setting the insurance actuaries straight once and for all.  The docs just don't know how good they have it. 

Fate the Magnificent
"Push the Button, Max" 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:02 | 4224911 TheFourthStooge-ing
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But socialism's price and wage controls worked so well under the Dickie Nixon regime.  How can they not work now?

All they need to do is give everyone WIN* buttons. It worked in '75, didn't it?


*whip insurance nonparticipation

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 15:54 | 4224884 BanksterSlayer
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So has ObamaCare become somthing like a farm subsidy? Are we paying doctors to NOT practice medicine?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:03 | 4224907 Toxicosis
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Yes, that would be correct sir.  Remember a sure fire way to wipe out much of the middle class is to deprive them of the greatest dependency we have created in the last 60 years, modern medicine.  We addict them, tell them all that their too stupid to look after themselves, leave it all up to us doctors, and drug em like farm animals.  Doctors will quit in droves rather than be a slave to a political fascist system which requires them to work as slave labourers.  Thus many people will panic, many people will die, and untold suffering all mental, emotional and physical will result.  Control freaks and greedy prickish assholes run the 'governments' and corporations as a whole, and thus the frog boils a little hotter every day.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:38 | 4225000 Calmyourself
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B.S. they will open the borders and offer incentives for Pakistani, Kenyan and Nigerian doctors to head on over even give free remedial engrish courses.  My prediction: 6-12 months Bamster announces special immigration rights for medical personnel, its only fair..

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 16:57 | 4225050 Toxicosis
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And what, all these foreign doctors will accept paltry compensation for their work and live where?  The cost of living is up everywhere, eventually nobody wants to work for nothing.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 03:15 | 4226268 Non Passaran
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They could employ people who aren't doctors and don't speak a word of English, I am quite sure those would be cheap.

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