Does the FDA think you're too stupid to have access to your own genetic information?
It sure seems so.
The Food and Drug Administration, which bills itself as "the oldest comprehensive consumer protection agency in the US federal government," probably stirs up more emotion among citizens than any other federal agency (save perhaps for the IRS). For good reason. The range of activities into which the FDA is "mandated" to poke its supervisory fingers is vast and includes most prominently the regulation of most types of foods, dietary supplements, medical devices, human and veterinary drugs, vaccines and other biological products, and cosmetics.
And this time it's really gone too far.
On November 22, 2013, the FDA sent a warning letter to the well-known consumer genomics company 23andMe, ordering it to "immediately discontinue marketing" its only product.
For those of you who are not familiar with 23andMe, the company provides a "DNA Spit Kit" and "Personal Genome Service" (PGS) that supposedly reports on 240+ health conditions and traits and helps clients track their ancestral lineage. Basically, you send a saliva sample in via the "Spit Kit," and the company analyzes the sample using a DNA sequencing machine.
It doesn't give you a full readout of your genome, but tests for a custom panel of what are called single nucleotide polymorphisms in order to determine, for instance, if you're a carrier for certain disease-linked mutations like cystic fibrosis or sickle cell anemia. The panel also tests for the three most common BRCA1 and 2 mutations that are associated with breast cancer, among many other mutations associated with other diseases.
So what we're talking about here with 23andMe is information, not a medical device. It's your personal genetic information. And the FDA wants to put the kibosh on one of the only companies providing this service inexpensively—you get your Spit Kit and readout for just $99—to consumers.
This is really a first amendment issue, and the FDA should not be in the business of regulating freedom of speech and information. But considering what the FDA thinks of your intelligence, I'm not surprised they're trying to reach this far.
Consider some of the language from the FDA's warning letter to 23andMe.
"For instance, if the BRCA-related risk assessment for breast or ovarian cancer reports a false positive, it could lead a patient to undergo prophylactic surgery, chemoprevention, intensive screening, or other morbidity-inducing actions, while a false negative could result in a failure to recognize an actual risk that may exist."
Really? You think that if a woman receives news from a $99 test that she may be at a higher risk for breast cancer due to a genetic mutation that she's going to run out and somehow acquire chemo drugs and start dosing herself, or that she's going to go to some back-alley clinic to have her breasts lopped off? Not to be crude or make light of a very serious situation and condition, but the FDA's implication is insulting, to say the least.
What would actually happen in the real world is that she'd go to a doctor to get herself checked out, perhaps sooner rather than later, which isn't a bad thing even if the 23andMe test showed a false positive. Now, if the test showed a positive for the mutation and she is in fact positive—which would have to be confirmed by a separate test from a doctor anyway before a mastectomy—it is her right to undergo such surgery whether or not it is determined to be "medically necessary." This is precisely what Angelina Jolie recently did.
The false negative argument is maybe a little more plausible, but despite what the FDA might believe, people who are proactive enough about their genetic makeup to seek out a service like the PGS from 23andMe are smart. They know that no test is foolproof or 100% accurate. People receive false negative tests from federally regulated labs and physicians all the time. It's unfortunate, but that's the way these things work. You don't see anybody making a stink that these tests shouldn't be run just because there's a small chance of delivering a patient a false negative result.
In response to the FDA's warning letter, 23andMe has stopped all TV, radio, and online advertising for its PGS, although the service is still being sold on the website. The situation is still unfolding, so whether or not the FDA decides that the company is now in compliance because it's no longer "marketing" the PGS remains to be seen. It could determine that just having the website active is a form of "marketing," which could be the nail in the coffin for the company. We'll have to see. According to the FDA, 23andMe had 15 working days (starting November 22) to notify it of the specific actions the company has taken to address all of the issues raised in the letter.
As expected, an additional consequence of the FDA's warning letter is a class action lawsuit that was filed just five days after the letter was sent. The lawsuit alleges that the test results are "meaningless," and that 23andMe uses false and misleading advertising to promote its services to US consumers. The lawsuit seeks at least $5 million under various California state laws and estimates "tens or hundreds of thousands" of US customers are entitled to damages from the company.
Look, I get that many of you probably think the FDA had every right to do what it did. And I'll admit that its actions probably were legally justified, since 23andMe's advertising campaign did seem to market the PGS "for use in the diagnosis of disease or other conditions or in the cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease," which falls under the FDA's purview.
I also understand why detractors of consumer genomics companies think the FDA should shut down 23andMe and all its peers/competitors—because people engaging the services of these companies don't get the full picture, and what's going on is much more complex. Only part of a person's DNA is tested, and how to properly interpret the results is still uncertain, since many factors other than a mutation in isolation contribute to disease.
But when do we ever get the full picture? Even a readout of our entire genome is only a small part of the story. A key takeaway from what's known as the ENCODE Project is that much of what was previously thought of as "junk DNA" actually performs regulatory functions—which can be thought of as regions that act like switches attached to a particular gene that determine whether or not they'll be expressed. There are millions of such regions throughout the genome, and they're linked to each other (and to the protein-coding genes) in an extremely complicated hierarchical network.
What's more, the linear ordering of the genome provides a further source of confusion: the three-dimensional folding of the chromosomes inside the nucleus allows promoter regions to maintain a close connection to genes that apparently lie far away on the linear sequence. This explains why so much biochemical activity can be found even deep in the deserts of the alleged "junk DNA."
Many of these promoter regions manifest themselves in the cell as "functional RNA" molecules—types of RNA that are an end product in themselves, rather than merely an intermediate step on the way to becoming a protein, and that play a key role in switching genes on and off.
In truth, we never get the full story, no matter whom we turn to, and there's nothing wrong with bits and pieces of information to help us make decisions along the way (or just to satisfy our curious nature).
And that's really the whole point here. I don't really care if what the FDA did was technically legal or that some people think it makes sense in order to keep others from harming themselves in some way. What matters is that this ultimately boils down to information—personal genetic information. And whether 23andMe does a good job of providing that or not, it's our right to seek out such a service and use it if we so desire.
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The FDA says Flouride in your water is both safe and effective. Enuf said..
FDA is conspiracy to deplete man of precious bodily fluid.
I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
Love the Dr. Strangeglove
long term agenda to keep people from taking individual responsibility for their own health. Instead, you MUST trust and LOVE big pharma and big brother to manage your life 'appropriately'.
New Years Special at the Ministry Of Health: Pre-emptive chemo! We'll prevent cancer before it gives you the kiss of death! First zapping gratis!
To our overlords, we are all just tax donkeys to be ridden until we drop; farm animals to be variously milked, sheared, and slaughtered; criminals to be jailed for attempting to see to our own needs; and traitors to be executed for seeking knowledge, to say nothing of enlightenment, outside the razor-thin corridors of Establishment Indoctrination.
If you choose among them at the ballot box, you are merely perpetuating the horrors they daily visit upon us.
If you know what's good for you, then, you won't do it any more.
People should not be getting their genetic profiles through this company with the fancy medical analyzing equipment, they should be going to their friendly neighborhood fortune teller with the crystal ball.
I've had my DNA done by 23andMe and nothing they have told me could be construed as medical advice. I find it suspicious that a couple of months after the CEO, Anne Wojcicki, separated from her husband Sergey Brin, co-founder of the NSA department currently known as 'Google', the FDA decides it needs to roil the waters with such a farcical claim. So if I find out I'm 10% more likely to come down with some form of cancer I'm going to try have elective surgery to preventive it and somehow the surgeons will go along with it? It seems to me like another .GOV selective enforcement of the law, almost like we were living in Chicago or something.
I had mine done earlier this year. Both sides of my family have an average lifespan of about 85 and was curious to see if I had any longevity SNPs.
Nothing much bad and a few pro-longevity.
That just motivated me to improve my health regimen.
Were you ever tested for the good luck gene? I mean you never know WTF can happen from now till you max out your life expectancy. One of my grandmas was 89 and got hit by a car walking to the pharmacy. Not kidding.
Like hit by a car, dead? One of my grandmas drove her car off into the deep woods because she was bringing her (older) sister a pie. She was technically deaf and ravaged by rheumatoid arthritis. So, she noticed that the pie was sliding off the passenger seat. While trying to reach the pie she inadvertently went full throttle and starboard.
The property owner found her, trapped in her car which was wedged between a couple trees.
The reason 23&Me got into trouble is that they basically are offering the test for "entertainment purposes only" but the website makes it sound like they are making health claims. The FDA warned them about making unfounded health claims to which 23&Me ignored. The testing protocol used by 23&Me, at least in terms of testing for BRACA1 and BRACA2 for instance, is also next to useless unless you are an Azkenazi Jew (the specific mutation tested for is mainly found in that population). In other words, the information could be completely misleading (ie 23&me says no mutation, yet you have a different mutation not tested for). Speaking of which, they do not published error rates, either for false positives or negatives. There's a whole slew of problems with their test. If you want to get useful genetic health information, you are better off elsewhere.
Then there's the whole issue that Google keeps all of your genetic info with reservations to do whatever they want with it.
Fuck 23&Me and fuck Google.
Boy I just had my pre-eptive chemo and i feel great. Thanks FDA you make the slave class better:)
You don't mean Dr. Stranglelove, the philosopher just loving it and getting the garotte in return?
yeah, too bad everything the movie said as satire pretty much turned out to be true. would you like some aspertame with that fluoride to wash down those GMO cornchips? funny that the biggest danger isn't the chemicals in the water, it's the textbooks in the classrooms.
Yuri Bezmenov:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj0Id3BLFco&list=PLFF4416BEE5D2ED02&index=15
"FDA is conspiracy to deplete man of precious bodily fluid."
Feeling drained? Tired? Chemtrails got you down? Try some of fonestar's all new high cryptose bit syrup today!
We greened you, the end is nigh.
I guess I'm odd man out on this one. I figured the gubbermint was behind these spit test sites on the internet.They have been uber interested to set up a DNA database of Amerikans for a very long time. Most folks I know won't send in a saliva sample cause word is they are looking for donor matches for organs and other nasty deeds. Insurance agents were pushed into getting saliva samples from new applicants starting about 15 years ago but many refused to oblige. There have been programs to get dna from mouth swabs of children also. If you are a match for some rich asshat looking for a liver you may find yourself disappeared.
Oh yeah I forgot to include in the above post that recently during routine police roadblocks, the vehicle occupants were required to give the police a dna mouth swab sample. Now why would they need that? No it wasn't for alcohol detection.
Well, the spit is analyzed in Canada, which gave me pause.
But since I'm waiting for the price on whole genome sequencing to drop to a thousand, they'll probably get the information eventually anyway.
Quit asking questions. Take some Soma and be happy with who they say that you are.
Boris on far right of short man in black garment but is more heavy with beard and hairy back.
Too much vodka in the blood-surrogate.
Never is too much vodka!
Next time you congratulate yourself for choosing a coffee over a beer, you might want to think again.
Researchers have discovered that caffeine can shorten life expectancy, while alcohol can increase it.
Scientists at Tel Aviv University found that caffeine shortens, and alcohol lengthens, telomeres – the end parts of chromosomal DNA.
Just as the plastics tips of shoelaces prevent fraying, telomeres keep chromosomes stable and prevent deterioration when the cells containing them divide.
Telomeres become shorter as a person gets older as every time a cell duplicates, the chromosomes are copied into the new cell with slightly shorter telomeres.
When the telomeres become too short, the cell dies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2519343/Coffee-beer-Your-choice-affect-lifespan--way-expect.html
My advice to you is to start drinking both heavily.
Oh great.. So I'm either going to die tomorrow or live for another 100 years!
Good news is caffeine is have powerful preservative characteristic. Just before die, have drink of 1000 ml Big Gulp™ and you are save family for embalming cost... or drink Smirnoff and save on incineration cost with flammable accelerant.
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The more you go to the right, the smaller their balls get.
But... how come poor people have so many kids?
I don't think this picture is 100% correct...
Our masters don't want us to be self-reliant, medically, or otherwise.
In Huxley's story, they don't use their balls anymore. Read the book.
Much of it may be our future; Soma is certainly our present.
Huxley's 'soma' is borrowed from Vedic traditions where soma was once a concoction of one or more elixirs that got you a little high. These majestic poets would travel across the lands, load up on soma (Sanskrit-derived languages have Monday as the day of soma...), and sing tales of their gods and journeys.
Soma did not destroy the original Aryans - in fact they were never 'destroyed' in the way most other cultures perished.
However Huxley's 'soma' is indeed where we are at today, and its primary incarnation is bigPharma and bigAgra. They've only touched the tip of killing you softly.
I must admit I was shocked to have been prescribed Soma when I had to go to urgent care for terrible back pain. Was this a joke to name a med as such? I will admit it helped the pain but at a cost of making me a drooling mind numbed idiot for a day. I guess it was aptly named. I can't imagine why people get hooked on that stuff. Scotch is far more pleasurable IMHO.
Miffed;-)
One of my good friends ODd on pills twice, the second time nearly fatal. They have a grip on your life like none other - it's an "I don't think I can exist without this stuff" feeling, I was told. I don't know what that's like, but it's really fucked up shit.
He did agree with me about the general fallacy of quitting stuff, that you gotta go out with a bang and just quit. Just like how those 15 extra pounds didn't show up overnight, and won't go away overnight, neither does a lifestyle incorporation. The great thing about human body resilience + sapience is that with a lot of discipline and a little bit of determination, anyone can change their bodily habits from one lifestyle to another over the course of six months, step by step.
Smoke two packs a day? How about one cigarette less for a week, and one less the week after... surely the day will come when even the one cigarette a day seems nasty to you. Concentrating on the end goal only leaves no room for a journey.
p.s. modern medicine is a disgrace - they named it 'soma' out of mockery.
Yes, this can work. I have done it myself to overcome some personal addictions. First of all I made a decision I wanted to quit. I engage help from a cognitive psycologist who showed me a few techniques to help. I had always gone cold turkey with a eventual hard core binge. She showed me how to slowly reduce my addiction always without personal judgement. If I failed and binged it was ok, just a bump in the road and moved on.
I also explored some skeletons in my personal closet that needed to be buried. That was a painful exercise but it relieved me of inappropriate guilt and lessened the need for binges. She also stressed I needed to ramp up the natural joy in my life as I was eliminating the temporary artificial highs. It worked for me. I'm no prude or try to force myself in abstention. I just enjoy life and all of its pleasures in moderation.
I truly feel sorry for those who are in the clutches of horrible addictions. When you are there, it's as if you are in a deep dark pit with no means to escape. I was fortunate to have found my way out.
Miffed;-)
"What gets me through the tough times? Masturbation." --- Andy Warhol
The person with the longest documented lifespan smoked for 95 years and died at 122 years 5 months.
Didn't smoke a lot, but certainly a long time.
It might have been in the distant past, but it's not correct now.
Hmm, I see the A-man has devolved into the grungie little E-hipster on the right.
This has more to do with the pay to play monopoly game created by govt corruption than health concerns. Today only one company can run the BRAC testing by edict of the FDA. Myriad Genetics has paid to play and now charges $1800 Dollars for the testing by having the monopoly.
My results were perfectly accurate. It read "subject has dick for days, a 10 inch throbbing thrill hammer and a penchant for buggery." Captures me to a T.
Disband the FDA, they have killed enough Americans.
"The FDA says Flouride in your water is both safe and effective."
And radiation from Japan, too:
'EPA now allowing 27,000 times the previous limit of iodine-131 in drinking water'"After years of internal deliberation and controversy, the Obama administration has issued a document suggesting that when dealing with the aftermath of an accident or attack involving radioactive materials, public health guidelines can be made thousands of times less stringent than what the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency would normally allow."
http://optimalprediction.com/wp/epa-now-allowing-27000-times-the-previou...
And now they have.
It's like if in an emergency you could survive more bullets, stronger electroshocks, swallow more water than you normally would - can't make that shit up!
This is outrageous. I have FDA-approval for something very similar:
http://hivstatus.info
The data is kept anonymous - that is the big difference.
Well, the average person is actually stupid.
Just look at the succes of bitcoin and pets.com...
And if you tell them the economie is yet agan going to crash because it's starting to snow all over the planet (I figure winter has something to do with it)
Freedom is just another word...
For nothing left to lose.
So sayeth, me and Bobby Magee.
Bobby Magee is alcoholic drunk with stage 3 syphilis.
The FDA has no authority in this area. The letter should be ignored.
The FDA was one of the agencies who bought up BILLIONS of rounds of ammo.
They will not be ignored.
Sure they can and should be. Why do you fear them? They are only men trying to impose their will on something that is not theirs. The most effective way is to ignore them.
I'm guessing you missed the bit about the bullets...
No Authority? These "regulatory agencies" have grown into their own 4th branch of govt. and can now act independently. They can define and interpret their own jurisdictions and authority.
the government has an unlimited budget for legal fees... fight them and be crushed paying for your own lawyers. they don't have to be 'right'. they will out last most who try to oppose the agenda.
That's why we are not becoming a totalitarian state, we are simply solidifying and closing all the exits of this 100 year socialist shithole experiment.
That is why you ignore them, to stop what is happening. Don't use the courts, that is their game and where they will win every time.
We cannot ignore them any longer, they will use the courts and every means available to bankrupt and destroy you. Who was it that said, "We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
You are too afraid to understand what I'm saying.
We understand you and I'm right there in line with you to ignore them. I'm standing about ten rows back waiting for the first nine rows to go first. IMHO you don't understand that you're too early. When you see evidence of a groundswell of people pissed enough to fight back then they can and will be ignored. Today is not the day.
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT...
There is no other time but NOW. The past is gone and the Future awaits.
If Today is not the Day then when is the day?
If Now is not the time then when is the time?
Drones are rather inexpensive at $600 to $800. They can be armed with explosives. If they were dropped into the Oil Refineries you can make a windfall by going Long Unleaded Gas on the Commodity Futures Market while you Short Oil Companies on the Stock Exchanges. Refinery Fires tend to make those places inoperable. Of course the Distillation Towers, where the Crude Oil is Cracked, are the Primary Targets.
Furthermore you can deprive the Government of sustainable offensives as they will run out of Fuel at the very same time. Without fuel their armies grind to a halt.
I like the idea that Civilian Drones will be blanketing our skies. The 10 Mile Range provides one wide Air Defense (Offense) Zone.
(Thank you Discovery Channel for teaching me about Admiral Nagumo's major tactical error at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. Thank you for teaching me about the importance of the Fuel Dumps at Tobruk. Thank you for teaching me that the German Objective during the Battle of the Bulge was the capture of the Allied Fuel Dumps at Stavelot.)
A concerted attack will serve to paralyze the entire Nation. In turn this will cause Massive Food Shortages within Days as there will be limited fuel to transport food.. It is when the public becomes really hungry that the Main Event unfolds. (Riots, Civil Unrest, Murders, etc.)
An OVERTHROW will cost in the neighborhood of $50,000 to $100,000 wisely spent on equipment. It would take an organization of 100 men willing to carry out the task. I am certain that a small REAL Terrorist Organization can pull this task off. (This is not like the False Flag Bullshit of attacking some buildings. This is the Bleeding Out of a Nation which will kill it.)
Just be sure to route your Stock Market profits and Commodity profits to a friendly Foreign Nation and have your passport ready and have arranged transportation to bail out.
You certainly will not want to experience the effects of the aftermath.
Many years ago, the Ayatollah Khomeini said that the United States was wide open for Terrorist Attacks. WHILE HE WAS A JERK...HE WAS NOT LYING. The United States is extremely FRAGILE with over half of the population Dependent upon the Government for sustinance. When the Government FAILS to provide for them they will turn on their Masters.
NOW...(THE ONLY TIME THAT THERE IS...) I AM NOT GOING TO DO THIS. But...It can be done.
Everybody talks big. But nobody does it as they do not want that.
SO IF YOU REALLY WANT TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT...(You do not.)
I think the FDA has a valid concern about these tests being sold using fear tactics to vulnerable hypochondriacs who will take the ominous test results as a diagnosis of a fatal disease.
Then again, WTF is the FDA thinking when the gubmint NEEDS as many suckers as they can get to sign up for Obamacare!!??
Duhh on the FDA!
I have no problem with people pursuing genetic analysis is they so desire but I question the utility of having such information. Research has shown people have an average of 10-15 mutations in their genome. Obviously people don't die of 10-15 various diseases. So just because you carry a mutation it does not mean it will be expressed.
Cutting edge research in epigenetics has shown environmental forces play an extremely important outcome to disease.In genetics, epigenetics is the study of heritable changes in gene activity which are NOT caused by changes in the DNA sequence. Unlike simple genetics based on changes to the DNA sequence (the genotype), the changes in gene expression or cellular phenotype of epigenetics have other causes. This can be chemical or bacteriological. So much research has shown the bacteria in our own bodies,that are 10x the number of our own cells, have direct influence on our own health. I'd be more inclined to keep myself, including my personal bacteria, healthy, happy and fit rather than obsessing over a genetic test.
Miffed;-)
man the pitchforks !!!!!!!
pitch the manforks !!!!!!!
Fork the pitchman!
Fork the man, pitch!
Err... man the fork, pitch!
Forking man of a pitch!
Man forks the pitch!
You bet this is a first amanedment issue. And how well has this guy been in "...I swear to uphold anddefend the Constitution..."?
I am suspicious of regulatory bodies actions. When they don't seem reasonable, there is usually unseen motivation. Who is the Obama donor who is affected by the 23andme information? Is this a preliminary to restricting some other source of information?
Big pharma uses the regulators when they are coming out with a drug with particular indications. Going to market a hypertension drug with a new indication for hair loss? First, go after all the existing hair loss products being marketed, THEN introduce Rogaine. That is what happened. Sort of like following your blockers. Watch the next attack on some vitamin; some brief time after the attack, bingo! a drug indicated for the problem that the vitamin helps ameliorate.
Regulatory capture does not only happen in the financial markets.
A little back to front there. Minoxidil was initially developed, trialled and marketed as a potent vasodilator, and used for the management of refractory hypertension. ALL the pre-marketing trials were as an antihypertensive. The "follicle stimulant" effects were noticed later on (and to be honest it doesn't work particularly well there!) If your baldness is male-pattern you might get better results using finasteride (but results are definitely NOT guaranteed!).
Many examples of this type of thing happening - e.g. Thalidomide (potent antiangiogenesis agent, but ONLY in Humans) - now being used successfully in the management of multiple myeloma, and of course that very famous PDE-5 inhibitor that was originally intended as a treatment for pulmonary hypertension (and IS used for that purpose too)!!
Unfortunately.....the answer to both questions.....Does the FDA think we're stupid and Are we indeed THAT stupid.....can be both be anwered with.....yes.
This is NOT an endorsement of the FDA's actions......they are most certainly in the wrong for shutting down 23andMe's marketing of this product. But people really are that stupid. Some will go off half cocked and waste money on snake oil to prevent any possible bad outcome based on their or worse yet their kid's DNA profile. People already abuse their kids to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars wasted on all kinds of programs and services and specialized care and drug regimens in order to give Billy a head start or a better position up Darwin's ladder of evolutionary life.
Plus.....just look around you at America and the world in general. And tell me with a straight face that people in general aren't cosmically stupid.
<-- Cosmically Stupid
<-- Comically Stupid
Laughter is crucially preventative of rage and insanity.
And vodka!
Too much though, and you could lose appendage in ice-hole incident.
To the red arrow crew; Ya'll know why you can't take one Baptist fishing? He'll drink all your beer.
< Cosmetically challenged
< Cognitively challenged
take your pick
I rather would say that there's a bunch of pervert SOB with no soul profitting from human innocence, simplicity, naiveness. History of Mankind enhanced by high tech. They control most of the sources (and tools) of knowledge and information though no wonder people is "stupid".
As in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUTBtDUjYDA&feature=share
I doubt many would disagree with the majority of Americans being both cosmically and comically stupid (the two are not mutually exclusive), which is the reason 23's addressable market was fairly limited prior to the FDA's letter.
A typical viewer of Honey Boo-boo's latest exploits doesn't have genetic testing within their realm of existence. The likelihood of a Honey Boo-boo fan paying $99 for a test is about the same as that of a rhesus monkey being afraid of the Large Hadron Collider spawning a mini singularity that will consume our solar system. The concept is just on a different plane of existence - the fan is too busy spending $99 on door buster deals at Wal-Mart.
All that said, I agree with the FDA's technically having legal purview over the marketing of 23's services. I vehemently disagree with the moneyed interests almost certainly operating in the background and influencing the FDA's hand in this matter. Why should the weakest links in a population's chain continually impede others?
Greened you, but the fda having purview over a freely offered, not mandated (like O'care) service is a bridge too far. Go from me in peace. I seek niether your counsel nor your arms. May your chains rest lightly upon you, and may I someday forget that you were my countryman.
Notice I am acknowledging what is rather than what should be.
Regardless of your views on bridge length, the FDA has the authority over this under the current regime of governance in the U.S.
I should be a billionaire. But wishing it so doesn't make me one.
If you could avoid producing a honey boo-boo offspring, it would be well worth the $99 bucks to know. But looking in the mirror might have been a clue.
Or taking a second peek at the face inside the bag you put over her head. And taking off the beer goggles.
Market the test "For Entertainment Purposes Only" .
That was easy.
Smartphones scan best holiday deals
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2010/12/20/exp.am.intv....
NEED MORE FUCKING JUNK
If 23and me guarantees that it will never use or sell your data, but it doesn't. It is just like Twitter, facebook etc.... FDA is right in this case.
They shoulda just advertised it like a $99 cracker jack "check out your genome for fun!" kinda deal.
The cynic would say TPTB feel threatened by cheap testing though.
The FDA would also rather you suffer known health risks associated with tobacco, than for you to use an e-cigarette to quit smoking...
Most probably.
You're right, Jumbo. People are both cosmically and comically stupid. However, if the rules of the game are set so that even the dumbest of the dumb cannot ever harm themselves, the not-so-dumb find themselves hamstrung. I happen to think that sucks.
Besides, people will always believe they need the latest treatment and set about wasting resources in pursuit of the fountain of youth and beauty- especially if it doesn't require any real effort on their part. This happens everyday, inside the "approved" sick-care system.
Did I say I think that sucks? Yeah, I see I did, but it really sucks!
the obama healthcare alliance wants control of this information, doctors are really just insurance claims adjusters you know, the problem arises if there are independent tests which contradict the test the government doctor gives you (or of course no test at all). example your mother and grandmother died of breast cancer, but the test says you dont need a mammogram until age 50, and they wont pay for it. now you get an independent test which says you are at genetic risk. who do you believe? this is clearly a freedom of information issue. what's next? you can't watch the news on Al Jazeera?
Scientific American had story last week raising the question of whether 23andMe is more Big Brother type data gathering, comparing it to Google, whose fundamental purpose is to hoard information. It sucks to not be able to avail ourselves of potentially life saving information, but the oligarchs can't be trusted to do good with it:
"But as the FDA frets about the accuracy of 23andMe’s tests, it is missing their true function, and consequently the agency has no clue about the real dangers they pose. The Personal Genome Service isn’t primarily intended to be a medical device. It is a mechanism meant to be a front end for a massive information-gathering operation against an unwitting public."
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=23andme-is-terrifying-but-not-for-reasons-fda
yes and the way to save the unwitting public from itself is to reduce the number of competing technologies down to one (which meets the approval of big business) and is controlled by a government agency which serves as a front for the alliance. a black football star murders his wife, goes to trial. the judge sequesters the jury in a hotel, manipulates the information the jury can and cannnot see, while out in the world the tv people are showing everything, and let the people decide. in the end the only 11 people who didn't know he was guilty were those sitting on the jury. the purpose of modern governments is to control information. they dont want discussion they want you to buy their product ie the healthcare alliance of obama.
Originally, FDA's charter was food and drug SAFETY. When the Nanny state started in early 60's, drug efficacy was added to its charter. Drug efficacy needs to be removed and 50% of FDA staff terminated.
The professional bureaucracies of Washington DC are stealing our liberties to work and live. Sad, sad state of affairs.
Accreditation for everything, taxes for everything, regulation for everything.
The species that got the golden ticket and flushed it right down the fucking toilet. What a shitshow...
Skate, You are spot-on. I am going to steal from HonestAnn: The psychopaths were unleashed while the good guys masturbated. (I stole her trademarked concept but the words are mine.)
The problem is that a Genetic test for Breast Cancer cost between $2,200. and $4,400. depending on the lab. You also have to have certain Cancer history to get the test paid for by the Insurance Company. They requite a complete family history with names dates of birth, date of diaginosis and death dates. Plus, the results and the family history will be in the Health Care data base forever including the blood used for the test.
They do not want a lab to charge $99. for people to get results that will not be in a Health Care data base. Plus, they want to keep the Monopoly on the tests for the huge premium.
Most of you have no clue as to why the FDA killed this test. 23 and Me was making claims they could not substantiate because there were no clinical trials. THis is now going to become common place. The FDA is going after a ton of these type companies that make claims they have never proven. The women who owns this company is married to one of the Google boys and have deep pockets yet her arrogance told her she dide not need to prove the test valid.
FOr all I know is the test works, but in order to make the claims the company does the FDA will not allow it. They will do a clinical trial and we will see.
Remember the Dalcon Shield..Phen Fen...The FDA is a pain in the ass, but we would be a lot worse without them.
I don't trust anyone in business knowing anything about my genes. Not any Healthcare DB, much less some snatch of a Google founder.
Basically everyone is scum and also their motives are always suspect.
what corporation or/andcompany controls the fda
thats whos behind the letter
http://www.realfarmacy.com/walnuts-are-drugs-says-fda/
They are stupid, not people.
The above inflammatory article is misleading and it really does show that people are stupid.
23andMe was marketed as a disease diagnostic to sell more units. If they just gave you your genetic code without interpretation no one would by it.
The FDA doesn't care if you have you genetic information their gripe is claiming that certian phenotypes are a result of specific genetic infomation.
The discovery of one disease biomarker can cost a pharmaceutical company millions of dollars to discover and often times has tenous correlation with disease because of the sheer complexity of the interplay of many genes interacting with each other and the persons environment.
The FDA is saying if the company wants to be a medical device company then they fall under FDA regulation and are required to have the exact same rigor of science and testing as any FDA approved drug or medical device.
That being said I am in no way in favor of government regulation but in this case it makes sense. 23andMe was of bunch of slick, narcassitic, newly minted tech millionaries who thought they could skirt the law.
Here is an actual thoughtful article on the topic.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bernardmunos/2013/11/29/23andme-a-fumbling-gene-in-its-corporate-dna/
I came across this company while looking for jobs a year and a half ago. The $100 mark is realizable with existing semiconductor technologies.
http://www.geniachip.com/technology/
Would not trust anything named '23andme'...
It's usually the mailman or the UPS guy.
The FDA needed something to distract them from approving various cigarettes and 1,001 assorted poison pharmaceutical pills...
End the FDA (right after the Fed). The FDA is an adjunct to Big Pharma, their ideal is to keep people just barely alive and dependent on their toxic crap while outlawing natural cures and herbs that are more effective and less toxic than the Big Pharma crap. Same business plan as a heroin dealer, except there is a little more competition between heroin dealers even if they buy their stuff ultimately from the CIA Afghan monopoly.
IMHO, the real reason that the FDA doesn't want people to get genome readouts is that the havoc being done to our DNA with increasing wifi and cellular microwave immersion, in particular "smart" meters, and GMO's would be disclosed.
Fuck the FDA and Andrew Cuomo. I couldn't send my sample to 23andMe, so it was up to FamilytreeDNA to reveal that I am a crypto jew. At 48, I am reasonably sure I escaped Tay-Sachs.
Don't lose sight of some of the the things the FDA DOES approve.
http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2012-09-20/fda-system-approves-human-testing-for-nonexistent-product-and-company/
Nothing the criminals of government do is ever dumb, stupid or a mistake, even if those involved happen to have IQs of 60. It's always about money and power--greed. Taking more of your money and utilizing more power t take more from you in the future.
“Ignorance of the Constitution and ‘following orders’ are no excuse.”
War on Health - Gary Null's documentary exposing the FDA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0CQrL5nzwo (1:37:42)
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In the future you will HAVE to have one of these tests in order to qualify for health insurance.
It will be illegal not to do so.
And in the future, when there are XX% of permanently unemployed, unemployeable underclass, they will use genetic testing to stop you defectives, from breeding.
Wow!
That was a big hit, just before I tapped that little bit of BS out! After all, we know that such stuff is the stuff of fantasy, and could never happen, eh?!
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This decision by the FDA might be related to Obamacare. The government, who wants to control costs, can't have people investigating for themselves their own health. The results a person gets from a 23andme test might cause people to demand services that most, if not all Obamacare insurance plans don't cover. When people don't get coverage under Obamacare for services that they want, the Obama Administration will have to deal with another Obamacare headache.
I recently negotiated with 2 physicians for a reasonable self-pay rate for services that were not covered. I think going forward you will see a lot of this and eventually make insurance for primary care obsolete. Health care providers seem more than willing to side-step insurance hastle and allow patients to pay at even at the meager insurance reimbursement rate.
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Fuck the FDA. They give two shits about your health. It's all about the $$$$....
What the FDA is upset about, is that 23AndMe is not handing over DNA information to the Feds to make it easier for them to track us. As soon as they comply, it will be back to business as usual.
At this time, we have suspended our health-related genetic tests to comply with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s directive to discontinue new consumer access during our regulatory review process.
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If you are an existing customer please click the button below and then go to the health page for additional information, including information about refunds.
Practicing Science without a License. Children should know it's for their benefit to be comfortable hearing hackneyed cliches about the World and staying tuned to the up-to-date Schadenfreude News.
See: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/04/anne-wojcicki-speaks-out-about-... Particularly:
So a Chinese Wall is all that separates your genomic data from Google's prediction engine, and seeing as "one account, all of Google" is now a reality, there's a gold mine awaiting in the form of trawling your genomic data against the profile built from your online activities.
Anyone think Google is going to be able to resist monetising genomes? Think of the $$$s to be had selling prediction products to insurance companies, boosted by genomic data.
Screw 23andMe.
Oh, and on a side note, their product is nothing more than a toy because it's primarily based on GWASs. Even the New England Journal of Medicine (the most respected clinical journal in the world) regularly states that, in the vast majority of cases, GWASs are completely useless as predictors of disease state in a clinical environment.
(Here's a fine example of the uselessness of GWAS: http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/05/giant-genome-study-finds-tiny-lin... We've spent over a $billion coming up with pointless crap like this since the first human genome was sequenced in 2000. Look at the pathetic effect size, the lack of predictive power and the enormous author list on the original paper: welcome to GWAS).
All 23andMe had to do was tell the truth and not misrepresent their product when marketing it. Despite repeated warnings and being given every chance to comply, they continued to cross the line, marketing their product as clinically meaningful rather than purely for entertainment purposes which is, honestly, all it is. It's not like this came out of the blue: http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2013/ucm37629...
So again, screw 23andMe.
I can not comment on the FDA decision, but considering their other decisions, I am in no doubt about the stupidity of this one.
Interestingly, there is another thing lurking beneath the facade of 23andMe that no one is talking about. It is about the genetic information 23andMe is COLLECTING and STORING via such testing product. Probably you have heard about Big data, now think what happens when Big data ( think Hadoop - developed by Google) meets 23andMe, which is founded with money from Google, as one of the co-founders of the company Anne Wojcicki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Wojcicki) a former spouse of Sergey Brin. Sound interesting, I bet it is. The test is just a facade ($99 is to cover the expenses, as well as the cost of the electricity in the data center a not a small expense when one keeps exadata of information) that allows Google, via 23andMe to become the biggest holder of genetic pool information, and of course run pattern recognition algorithms on the top of this exabytes of non SQL structured data. Now, much do you think the results of such search analytics algos would save the drug giants in their drug (pardon poison) research.
It is a wonderful new world of massive genetic pooled information combined with Big Data, that will be the next golden egg for the (re)search algorithms. So much for the nice "Don't be evil, for ones you are serving the drug industry no one can avoid that.