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Highest Radiation Level Ever, Lethal In 20 Minutes, Recorded Outside Fukushima Reactor

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With all the excitement about Japan's soaring stock market (if plunging wages), crashing non-digital currency (leading to soaring energy prices), recent passage of an arbitrary secrecy bill ("Designed by Kafka & Inspired By Hitler"), and ongoing territorial spat with China, it is almost as if the Abe administration is desperately doing everything in its power, including some of the most ridiculous decisions taken by a government in recent history, to hide some key development behind the scenes. Such as this one perhaps: NHK reported today that TEPCO said radiation levels are extremely high in an area near a ventilation pipe at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. TEPCO found radiation of 25 sieverts an hour on a duct, which connects reactor buildings and the 120-meter-tall ventilation pipe.

Putting this number in context the estimated radiation level is the highest ever detected outside reactor buildings. People exposed to this level of radiation would die within 20 minutes.

The exhaust pipe in question was used to release radioactive gases following the outbreak of the accident 2 years ago.

TEPCO says radioactive substances could remain inside the pipes. Given TEPCO's safety record, they could also leak outside of the pipes. And given the company's "credibility" the world would be sure to learn about this... anywhere between 2 and 3 years after the fact.

In the meantime, we urge Japan to follow the bouncing, and so pleasantly distracting, Topix and Nikkei 225 balls, while sticking its head in the glow in the dark sand and completely ignore the radioactive monster in the closet.

From NHK:


... Which reminds us: on Thursday the following headline hit the Bloomberg tape:


We are sure it is nothing, and the NRC is telling the truth.


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Sat, 12/07/2013 - 19:40 | 4225430 JustPrintMoreDuh
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All is well.  Resume consumption drones.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 19:49 | 4225449 fonestar
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Oy vey!  I don't know what good Bitcoin will do me if things actually look like Half Life 3?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 19:57 | 4225462 Suisse
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I wish Half Life 3 would actually come out, Half Life 2 came out in 2004.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:02 | 4225470 knukles
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Oh, it's harmless and quite useful for lighting the Olympic Torch.

Somehow this seems odd, this recurring Japan and radiation thingamabobajig.. almost Biblical

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:03 | 4225474 kaiserhoff
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Funny, I always thought the same thing about godzilla.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:08 | 4225487 LetThemEatRand
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I keep waiting for those two tiny Japanese girls who live in a box to appear.  Once they show up, we'll know it's gone full retard.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:35 | 4225549 SilverCoinLover
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Mothra! Mothra! Save us from Fukushima!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:39 | 4225553 LetThemEatRand
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I hear they called the smog monster for a helping tenticle, but he was tied up in Shanghai.  

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:01 | 4225602 Harbanger
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Let me know next time you're tied up and need a helping tenticle, Lola.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:11 | 4225626 kaiserhoff
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Going on three years, and they don't even have a fucking plan for Fuck U shiva.

  But I have to admit, the ice wall was a real hoot.

  So where are all the smartest guys in the room on this???

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:18 | 4225643 DaddyO
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They got sidetracked with BTC...

Real problems in the world pale in comparison to keeping things tuned specifically to all things economic.

Where is the US MSM on this catastrophe?

If I didn't read ZH, I wouldn't know Fukashima from sushimi.


Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:24 | 4225655 Not Too Important
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"If I didn't read ZH, I wouldn't know Fukashima from sushimi."

The best there is. You're welcome.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:29 | 4225663 mjcOH1
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"But I have to admit, the ice wall was a real hoot.

So where are all the smartest guys in the room on this???"

They were smart enough to leave the room.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 22:17 | 4225757 markmotive
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The Fukushima recovery attempt could destroy the world. Think about that for a second.

Now go back to eating iPads.

Risk and Fukushima: David Suzuki on the Terrifying Scenario

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 01:43 | 4226131 Dr. No
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Confucious say, man who not concerned with halflife, not going to life full life.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 02:11 | 4226190 knukles
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The smartest guys in the room now have part time greeter jobs at Wal-Mart.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 09:15 | 4226431 GetZeeGold
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Help wanted.....pays 1 million per 20 minutes. After that much as you can hack.



Sun, 12/08/2013 - 10:46 | 4226500 BaBaBouy
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I Now Have PTSD From The Tsunami Of Mainstream Media Coverage Of Mandela...

I Had To Smash My 3 TV sets...
So Im Immune To This New Radiation Newz...

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 02:50 | 4226231 Element
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You mean this guy?

PS: read the comments in it


PS#2: here's another just for a laugh, not suzuki related, per-sec, but this is how these guys roll.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 08:08 | 4228769 matrix2012
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Watts Up With That? The world's most viewed site on global warming and climate change


WUWT - Watts Up With That is an authoritative climate site to refer to sieve the bogus global warming and climate change issues from the real concerns.


For instance, check this one:

New film puts Al Gore’s ‘climate reality’ nonsense about climate and carbon tax into perspective | Watts Up With That?


Sun, 12/08/2013 - 11:55 | 4226641 Jim in MN
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At the global and US level, it's basically a horrifying corrupt scandal.  There are responsible agencies like the IAEA, WHO and NRC telling bald faced lies which even a casual effort can disprove, while the press does exactly nothing.  Naturally Obama and Co. (a Goldman branch) are fully aware.  Its 'uncool' to get curious, even mildly, about regulatory capture, bribery, or simple malfeasance.

In essence, the health and biological sciences communities, AKA the actual sciencey experty people,  say there is no safe level of exposure and that is why health limits are so low.  Meanwhile the NRC and others, despite the facts and the science, maintain that as long as they can identify ONE standard that MIGHT not be violated based on some other flack's lowball exposure estimate, there cannot be any danger to the public, nor any questions or concern.   I mean, think about it.  It would be insane if it wasn't so flat out greedheaded and evil.


For instance, here is the US EPA's basic radiation information page:

It says the following:

Ionizing Radiation

Higher frequency ultraviolet radiation begins to have enough energy to break chemical bonds. X-ray and gamma ray radiation, which are at the upper end of magnetic radiation, have very high frequencies (in the range of 100 billion billion Hertz) and very short wavelengths of about 1 picometer (1 trillionth of a meter). Radiation in this range has extremely high energy. It has enough energy to strip off electrons or, in the case of very high-energy radiation, break up the nucleus of atoms.

Ionization is the process in which a charged portion of a molecule (usually an electron) is given enough energy to break away from the atom. This process results in the formation of two charged particles or ions: the molecule with a net positive charge and the free electron with a negative charge.

Each ionization releases approximately 33 electron volts (eV) of energy. Material surrounding the atom absorbs the energy. Compared to other types of radiation that may be absorbed, ionizing radiation deposits a large amount of energy into a small area. In fact, the 33 eV from one ionization is more than enough energy to disrupt the chemical bond between two carbon atoms. All ionizing radiation is capable, directly or indirectly, of removing electrons from most molecules.

There are three main kinds of ionizing radiation:

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:57 | 4225716 DaddyO
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Maybe I shoulda added the /s tag.

I do read other blogs and alt news sites, but your point is taken and thanks for thinking of me.


Sat, 12/07/2013 - 23:08 | 4225853 Cassiopia2011
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Thanks for the links. Very austute.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 22:44 | 4225811 Itch
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"  So where are all the smartest guys in the room on this???"

you just mised them, they left 20 minutes ago.


Sat, 12/07/2013 - 23:19 | 4225865 RafterManFMJ
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Ultra Man could whip this Fukashima problem in no time!

Go get it, Ultra Man!! What?! What are you doing rolling around on the ground?! Dammit now your chest indicator light is blinking! QUICK, get closer to the Sun - fly, you fool, FLY!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 23:49 | 4225917 putaipan
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three freaking years! all this joking about superheroes, godzilla and smartest guys in the room... i said to myself right when it happened "where are the robots and guys in space suits?". three years later and they're still not here, no talk of r+d, and g.e. and tepco are still profitting.! and branson is sending justin beiber into space. this shit is fucked up. gives a whole different perspective to meher baba's off handed comment that in his next incarnation he would be a scientist in japan. we're talking 700-1400 years from now.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 00:33 | 4226016 disabledvet
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one guy. Arnie Gunderson. That's it. "and they (Japan and Arnie) reach out to the world and hear nothing." Arnie shouldn't have to be raising need to HIRE that guy! we do do this...our Government. This is an expertise we are we doing? Can we do it better? How can we make this work vis a vis Fukushima? No? "he's a whistleblower"? really? how does that change the "nuclear meltdown problem"? i thought this was why we had the internet? i know that's why i love it...i get to "meet Arnie" and others and see what's actually going on with the world. where is everyone else? how come we're not working with the Russians or vice versa on this? everyone "seeking advantage" relative to the situation? really? at some point "the crickets stop chirping" as well in my view. here's the "pro dump into Ocean" and the argument against: i found the supertanker solution interesting actually. far easier just to release it...although simply releasing it into the Ocean at the surface level according to the pro-dumpers is "total insanity." that would probably kill off all the sea life in that region for a thousand years. i did note the phrase "Japanese fishermen balk at such a strategy." wow...really? ya think? "hey, ma...i'm moving to West Japan."

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 00:08 | 4225958 acetinker
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Hey Rand, was starting to worry.  Hadn't seen you around for a few days.  Some of us bust yer balls now and then- that doesn't mean we don't care... we do.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 23:46 | 4225914 ZH Snob
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you really have to wonder what in the world Japan ever did to deserve all this.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 00:20 | 4225987 BLOTTO
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Maybe the BP Oil Spill will dilute the radiation from Fukushima...?

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 00:55 | 4226057 The Heart
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"Maybe the BP Oil Spill will dilute the radiation from Fukushima...?"

From very very snowy regions...howdy hey Blotto.

And maybe...the seas turn into a hell fire like no one has ever seen.

No mas sea life to eat AT ALL!~

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 09:44 | 4226457 Keyser
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We are well on the way to killing the oceans. Dead zones, overfishing, areas of zero plankton, radiation in the Pacific, etc... It's only a matter of time... 


Sun, 12/08/2013 - 01:04 | 4226091 El Tuco
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What an apathetic race the Japanese are. It will be their undoing.


Sun, 12/08/2013 - 05:14 | 4226327 merizobeach
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What an apathetic [species] the [humans generally] are. It will be [everyone's] undoing.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 13:37 | 4226814 Bananamerican
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i think the operative deadly sin for Japan is not Sloth, but Pride,....which goeth before their (& potentially "our") fall

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 08:23 | 4228796 matrix2012
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"you really have to wonder what in the world Japan ever did to deserve all this."


Good question! Just come down to Asia and ask the Asians (East & SEA), in particular those rather old generations, what kind of attrocities the Japanese had inflicted upon them and/or their parents and/or grandparents from around 1930s till the end of World War II. In Korea's case, the ordeal is much longer.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 11:42 | 4226612 CuttingEdge
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You want surreal? What's the betting in a year or two (when reality actually dawns on the majority that this shit is real) Apple will bring out the "iGeig" - your own personal monitor of all that lovely radiation supplied FOC from Japan via the Pacific food chain. Makes phone calls and takes pictures as well...


Sun, 12/08/2013 - 16:39 | 4227226 Tapeworm
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There are several apps for Apple and Android OS's that will use a Geiger tube or other radiation detectors.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:11 | 4225491 Stackers
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There is no such thing as safe radiation. Exposure is cumulative.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:47 | 4225571 Harbanger
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Radiation exposure? You can pop your own popcorn with the radiation eminating from your cell phones, search it.  There's no excuse for ignorance in the information age.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:55 | 4225592 TeamDepends
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And they laugh at us Luddites.  TeamDepends still uses a land-line, dig it!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:34 | 4225678 JohnnyBriefcase
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"Radiation exposure? You can pop your own popcorn with the radiation eminating from your cell phones, search it.  There's no excuse for ignorance in the information age."


Once you ingest or inhale radioactive particles you no longer have any defense against it like your skin or clothing.

Asshole. Go spread your disinfo elsewhere.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:44 | 4225691 Harbanger
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I'm a little slow, redo the point you're trying to make.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 07:51 | 4226387 Artifice
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"I'm a little slow".


That explains it.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 08:30 | 4228804 matrix2012
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"I'm a little slow, redo the point you're trying to make."


"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt" - Abraham Lincoln


"Even a fish can escape being caught, if it keeps its mouth shut." - Confucius

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:45 | 4225693 TeamDepends
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Now you've gone and hurt our feelings.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 22:23 | 4225764 Boop
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I'm hoping that Harbanger is being facetious.  The video(s) he's referring to, those of popcorn popping with cell phones, are hoaxes or jokes.

Also, Cell phone radiation is low-power non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation, which is a horse of an entirely different color than the ionizing radiation being emitted from Fukushima.  That ionizing shit'll kill ya.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 23:04 | 4225827 Harbanger
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I'm not COMPARING cell phone radiation exposure to Fukushima radiation, Boop.  But don't deny that cell phones placed together don't emit enough energy to pop popcorn and slow cook your melon.  Use your head!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 23:19 | 4225872 LetThemEatRand
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Marketing to gullbile sheep.  It works.  Now back to Rush with you to learn more of your truths.

"The videos are a viral marketing campaign by Cardo, the maker of Bluetooth headsets, as my colleague David Pogue wrote in this post last week. The campaign has clearly caused alarm; several readers of the Well blog have recently submitted links to the videos as evidence that cellphones are a health hazard. Since fessing up to the campaign, Cardo has added its name to the videos."


Sat, 12/07/2013 - 23:33 | 4225892 Harbanger
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Once the cell phones started ringing, the video makers dropped popped kernels into the center of the table, between the phones. They later digitally removed the unpopped kernels you see early in the video, thereby creating the illusion that your cell phone can double as a Jiffy Pop.

Brilliant editing! except there are too many amatuer videos showing the same experiment.  Try it Lola.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 23:40 | 4225901 LetThemEatRand
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There are only about 50 articles on any major search engine that will tell you it's fake and you cannot recreate it.   It doesn't mean that cellphones are 100% safe, but the video is a hoax and your were fooled.  Just admit it or go back to baaahhhhhh.  Baaahhhahhahhhaa.

Here's one if your hooves are tired.  "YouTube videos showing three people popping corn with their cell phones have taken the Internet by storm, but apparently aren’t for real, Wired reports: A physics professor says the feat just isn’t possible. Instead, the videos look like a viral marketing campaign. The phones seem to be the same make and model, and two YouTube users posted French, Japanese and two American versions.  The physicist said if cell phones worked like microwave ovens, which heat the water in popcorn kernels, your fingers would get hot every time you held one and “would hurt like crazy." And while it’s possible to heat with sound, he said the phones’ volume is too low. Editing tricks or a hidden heat source are probably behind the popping, he suggested."

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 00:00 | 4225937 Harbanger
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50 Articles? There are 35,000 videos on youtube.  Whether it's factual or not? I'm not certain, I haven't tested it myself, but I know low frequency microwaves held that close to your head are never a good idea.  I suspect we won't know for sure until we see the effects over time.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 00:20 | 4225980 LetThemEatRand
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It is an illness to be unable to admit you are wrong.  Even Einstein admitted to making mistakes.  It makes you more credible -- not less -- to admit to mistakes.  Otherwise, you are just a guy with a keyboard who forms an opinion and will not allow any facts to change it.  

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 09:19 | 4226434 tooktheredpill
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ha both sides of the argument are guilty of posting absolute shite to sell their shite. Phones, base stations etc are all different so the only way you will know is to buy your own microwave meter. Long story short, you can live a lot closer to some base stations than what you might be told and your phone does emit a decent amount of radiation at times.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 09:26 | 4226442 Svendblaaskaeg
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"..Brilliant editing! except there are too many amatuer videos showing the same experiment. Try it Lola..."

..are they using the new free energy? 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 11:11 | 4226561 ManWithaPlan
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Yes that video is retarded but I tend not to listen to what people tell me. I dont care what they say having signals, frequencies, wifi, cellphones and everything else constantly going through your body cannot be good for you. Especially when it's right next to your frickin brain...where a bluetooth device is located....

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 00:01 | 4225943 Kirk2NCC1701
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Send in Mr. Spock.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 22:19 | 4225760 KnightTakesKing
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TeamDepends still using that rotary dial phone?

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 07:47 | 4226384 greatbeard
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>> still uses a land-line

Luddite? I know Luddites and you're no Luddite.  Luddites lean over the fence to talk to the neighbors.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:59 | 4225597 cossack55
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Sure, but talking, texting, sexting, buying equities, downloading porn on your iphone is so much more important than things like, oh, I don't know, bees, bats, birds.  I hope all these 24/7 EMF phone freak motherfuckers are ready to go out and start doing a little polinization soon.  Fuckin' tech freaks are too stupid to live.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:04 | 4225615 Cognitive Dissonance
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I can download porn on my iPhone?

<Please...........don't tell Mrs Cog.>

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:13 | 4225634 knukles
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The NSA's probably all ready done the kiddie and animal for ya'
Drive carefully....
The phone searched may be your own.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 23:52 | 4225923 logicalman
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The phone searched would not be mine....

don't have one.


Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:16 | 4225642 Mrs. Cog
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Um no. We put you on MY wireless plan. Remember? House rulez.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:19 | 4225645 DaddyO
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CD, becareful out there, things could get dicey, just sayin...


Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:32 | 4225666 Cognitive Dissonance
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All good here dog.

<I have Mrs Cog right where she wants me.> :)

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:34 | 4225674 DaddyO
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Sounds like my house, you can be right or you can be happy, your choice.


Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:23 | 4225656 Cognitive Dissonance
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I am so busted.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:45 | 4225694 Miffed Microbio...
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Welcome to my world. I have my own personal NSA agent tailing my ass all the time. At least he's sexy and fun to be with. ;-)


Sun, 12/08/2013 - 00:55 | 4226073 The Heart
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Sat, 12/07/2013 - 23:28 | 4225882 williambanzai7
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The slippery slope to Fascism is coated with radioactive wasabi...

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 00:43 | 4226037 PeaceMonger
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This revalation is a Dictator's dream... but it also means near-free energy for the world.  Would you hold it back?


Energy from Thorium!  Safe, abundant, clean, cannot weaponize... wonder why it's been buried?

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 01:02 | 4226086 disabledvet
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i understand if nobody finds my sense of humor funny ("his last words were tell them i said something.") but I always found it funny that of all the scientists "fooling around with nuclear material" (and no...they didn't call it "no different from eating a banana" back then either)...of all those original folks who didn't die of radiation poisoning (and there were very few): of course the irony (what i found "funny" i guess) is that while the entire scientific community hated Teller...he never phucked around with the chemistry...and lived into his 90's because of that. Everything had to have proper controls...and that meant top of line measurement techniques, tools and gauges...and a safe distance when dealing with the "issue at hand." when Chernobyl literally exploded "it blew the 30 ton containment dome right off the top." this stuff is not to be messed around ironic that not even in the "frenzied 50's" did we treat nuclear power like this. can we just dump it in the Ocean? absolutely. do you just "turn on the spigot and away she goes"? only someone crazy would do that. it's not that this cannot be done...this cannot be ALLOWED to be done.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:05 | 4225617 MayIMommaDogFac...
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The fact that TPTB are telling you it is safe, should tell you everything you need to know.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:18 | 4225513 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Just stay away from the pipe. I remember people saying pipes were bad for your. Just say no!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:36 | 4225545 Cognitive Dissonance
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Bongs are much safer than pipes. My dealer told me so. Something to do with water filtration. :)

<Which explains why TEPCO is filtering all that radiation thru the Pacific Ocean.>

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:39 | 4225551 Dagny Taggart
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The problem arises when it's time to change the (Pacific) bong water. ;-)

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:40 | 4225554 LetThemEatRand
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Don't ever drink the Pacific bong water.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:47 | 4225561 Cognitive Dissonance
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TEPCO says that's what the Southern Hemisphere is for.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:41 | 4225558 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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I have to tell you CD that I can not imagine you smoking weed. You are very aware and resourceful. Weed has a tendency to curb both.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:45 | 4225563 LetThemEatRand
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Hold on there one minute.  Our current President used to choom it up pretty fierce from what I've read and... Wait.  Nevermind.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:46 | 4225565 Cognitive Dissonance
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I have been clean and sober since Jan of 1990. However I still haven't changed the bong water.

<Mrs Cog just delivered an ultimatum. Either the bong goes or she goes. Tough decision here folks.>  :)


Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:50 | 4225572 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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funny CD

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:55 | 4225584 Cognitive Dissonance
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Ms Cog just explained your ID to me. FREEDOM

<All that pot smoking way back when killed (more than) a few of my brain cells.> :)

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:56 | 4225587 DaddyO
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I find it very interesting in the fact that there are many in recovery here on ZH.

What is the correlation?

I've been clean and sober since Dec of 1982.

Maybe some correlating factor linked to reality and responsibility for one's own actions?



Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:57 | 4225595 fonzannoon
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agreed. I quit binge drinking a while back and hold myself to 3 drinks a night now. Except nights that end in a "Y" in which case I give myself some leeway to have a few more if I feel it's necessary.

It's important to set an example.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:07 | 4225604 Cognitive Dissonance
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Mrs Cog just explained your ID to me. I am so out of tune with popular culture.

<But happily I do know something about farting in the tub and partaking of the bubbles.>  :)

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:09 | 4225621 fonzannoon
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LOL I am glad you understand the inner fonzanoon in us all. (I used to spell it with one "n" but Tyler put me in timeout a few years ago)

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 10:33 | 4226496 greatbeard
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>> Tyler put me in timeout

So I'm not the only phoenix posting here.  Nothing like a little unplanned time out to make one realize just how addicted they are to the irreverent jawboning that goes on here.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 08:51 | 4226416 Snoopy the Economist
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Cog - I had no clue either. Though now I realize I wasted 3 minutes googling it to find out its a caddyshack 2 reference - that's 3 minutes wasted.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 11:28 | 4226579 greatbeard
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Thanks for saving me the three minutes.  I was wondering but not willing to investigate, although I did care enough to investigate fonzanoon.  So you saved me three minutes, allowing me to reply, making this post a zero sum posting in terms of my life.  But I need to STFU before I run over the three minutes there-by running my account into negative territory. 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 12:02 | 4226631 fonzannoon
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I like your posts so I am just going to go ahead and guess that you have a great beard and leave it at that.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 12:14 | 4226686 drdolittle
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I don't get it.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:02 | 4225609 DaddyO
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Ya, with me, I found out I was allergic to alcohol.

Whenever I drink I break out in spots all over...

Tampa, Atlanta, San Juan...


Sun, 12/08/2013 - 00:24 | 4225995 IridiumRebel
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I used to break out into handcuffs. 11/25/06 and the only thing I had to pay was attention. Now my only problem is that I have procreated and my chillrens are inheriting a shit storm. Long Uninhabited Japanese Sex SlaveBot Island.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 01:49 | 4226166 DoChenRollingBearing
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September 29, 2012.  So far so good.  


"Thy will be done, not mine."

"You are not alone."

"Take it easy."

"One day at a time."


Trite sayings, but there is truth behind each one.


Sun, 12/08/2013 - 08:46 | 4226414 IridiumRebel
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I took the "Think" plaque on one of my first meetings that was upside down and turned it rightside up "thinking" I was helping. Three old timers sat and watched and laughed....then they explained my thinking and said I was in the right place. The sayings are cliche'd but work. 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:57 | 4225596 Cognitive Dissonance
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Having dealt (and still dealing) with our own inner demons we are more prepared (and capable) of recognizing and facing external ones.

Just a thought.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:07 | 4225620 DaddyO
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More humility, more awareness, bigger toolbox...

I had a dear friend (sponsor) tell me early on that I seemed to have all the answers, but that I didn't know many of the questions.

Hit me squarely where I lived.

He also told me it must be tough living in a world I didn't create. OUCH!

Defining moments, both...


Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:13 | 4225631 Cognitive Dissonance
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Thankfully sponsors tell us what we need to hear. It helps counter us telling ourselves what we want to hear. :)

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:18 | 4225647 fonzannoon
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In all seriousness I tip my hat to you guys. I had an immediate family member that could never gain control over that demon.  I watched them blame everyone around them (I was a kid at the time). I went to those meetings when they were in rehab and did the whole deal. It never took. They ultimately blamed my sister and I for their problems and left. They tried touching base about 15 years later but still were not sober. That was the end of that. Now I have kids and they missed the chance of at least having a relationship with them. The ultimate waste of a life. 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:33 | 4225662 DaddyO
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Thanks, I watched my own father spiral slowly down the whirlpool of chronic addiction.

He smoked and drank himself into an early grave at 64.

I was many years sober before I realized I was as powerless of his addiction as I was over my own.

I insulated my children from his insanity as much as possible, The maddness had to stop somewhere.

None of my children have chemical addiction problems, thankfully.

That has been the primary focus of my child rearing efforts, to stop the familial/generational transfer, the buck stopped here.

So far any way...



Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:33 | 4225673 fonzannoon
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You know Daddy0 what has taken me down? Coffee. I swear I know it sounds trivial and stupid. But if I don't have a cup of coffer by 8am I get a headache that ends up as a day ending migrane. All the stupid shit I did (gambling, drinking etc) and freaking coffee absolutely owns me. I never saw it coming.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:41 | 4225686 DaddyO
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Ah, coffee the life blood of my early morning adventures.

Honestly, while I understand the addictive elements of coffee, I don't think I'll drive into a school bus full of chillrens if I have too much.

Unlike alcohol and the BLACKOUTS!!

That said, anything that has the power to alter our behavior is troubling.

BTW, my coffee machine is set for 0645...


Sun, 12/08/2013 - 06:15 | 4226350 rationaldemocracy
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a coffee addiction is a horrible addiction to have. Coffee will make you deaf and will destroy your adrenaline gland.



Sun, 12/08/2013 - 07:58 | 4226391 Element
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You wouldn't be LDS by any chance?

There's very little evidence coffee has those effects, and it's highly-disputed that there's any effect of that sort at all.

Yes it stimulates glands, and yes it increases metabolic rates and energy burn, but no, it does not appear to do any long-term damage, or impair people almost at all while affected, and the positive effects are generally judged highly worth the virtually non-existent risk.

By the way, if you are LDS, you might want to note that during the Westward trail to Utah the LDS settlers took coffee with them and drank it on the trail for energy.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 11:50 | 4226624 Miffed Microbio...
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It's sad to see coffee vilified. I have drunk 2-4 cups a day for 35 years and have no adrenal fatigue ( my cortisol, thyroid, other hormones are fine). It has given me a much appreciated mental boost when I needed it ( believe me, we in the medical field need this as I'm sure other fields do as well). Of note, my husband does have adrenal fatigue and takes glutathione to get through his day. He shunned coffee and preferred diet coke and drank several cans a day. I'm convinced the chemicals in that horrendous brew damaged his health and am thankful he has given it up and now drinks coffee.

Maybe, if one drinks massive amounts, adrenal fatigue could occur. It is like anything in this world, moderation is key. Besides, I love the smell of it brewing and the complexity of its taste. Because I only drink it black, I like to enjoy good quality beans. Starsucks gets away with shitty, over roasted yak piss because they hide it in mounds of sugar and cream.


Sun, 12/08/2013 - 17:11 | 4227297 DaddyO
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Miffed, thanks for the post, I too deplore Starbucks and DD and find their products just gastly.

I am a longtime coffee drinker as well, Ms. DaddyO like diet colas and has allergies, won't listen to reason so I extend her the grace to be wrong.

I have nephews that think SB is the best thing since sliced bread, yuck.

I have a local bagel bakery in the next town down and they roast their own beans, very good but pricey.

I also buy several different brands of commercially available beans, mix and grind them myself. Very mellow and full bodied, yum.

BTW, the yak piss comment made me laugh out loud...


Sun, 12/08/2013 - 19:23 | 4227612 Miffed Microbio...
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DaddyO, I tried for years begging Mr Miffed to get off diet coke. He did try a few times but was horribly hooked. Literally couldnt function without it. Finally when he started to have health problems (2 autoimmune diseases) he listened. There is so much research out there showing how damaging diet coke is to your health. Just google Equal and Splenda to get a lifetime of reading. It damages your brain and colon bacteria. That your wife has allergies is a sure sign of a toxic body. I had extreme allergies and asthma so I know first hand what it's like. Tell your wife you love her to death and wish her to quit. Of course, this is her decision and there really isn't any way to get her to if she refuses. Slip her some articles to read. has quite a compilation. If she does try, be prepares for a tough go. Poor mr miffed went through bloody hell, as if he was withdrawing from cocaine. I tried to get him to use coffee as a substitute but it didn't work. He said Diet Coke gave him a mental alertness that coffee didn't. There are Excitotoxins in Diet Coke. I've often wondered with all the MSG and artificial sweeteners found in food today that there is a link to the increase in Alzheimers and brain cancer seen today.

My absolutely favorite coffee is from Mountain Thunder Coffee Plantation found on the big Island of Hawaii. Extremely expensive. We order for Xmas a couple of pounds for our yearly treat. I'm sipping some now. Simply out of this world orgasmic. If you ever get to the Big Island you must check it out ( and the sea horse farm which mr had to drag me out absolutely googly-eyed... I get fascinated by the strangest things!)


Sun, 12/08/2013 - 17:33 | 4227341 emersonreturn
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dry drunk or stewed, the work comes from understanding and accepting we are the cause of our dilemma.  when we've injured or maimed any part of us below our eyes and ears we are willing to admit we've broken our wrist, or we've cancer of the bowel but with drugs, alcohol and gambling the brain flattens and obliterates the ability to see ourselves and that the break was in the case of an arm or leg the result of slipping on ice but with drugs and or the other our minds say...hey, it's not us, we're cool, it's them---it's all their fault.  



Sat, 12/07/2013 - 23:31 | 4225889 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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I know all of the answers but nobody ever listens to me. It is a rather difficult situation.

FYI without NA I would have been dead in the 90's.

Opiates are a one hell of a drug!

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:55 | 4225581 Global Hunter
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fxrxexdxoxmex, Sweeping generalization, 20 years before the internet gained widespread appeal, Peter Tosh The Day the Dollar Die (singing about shit we read about and comment on ZH), he was aware and ahead of his time as one small example.


Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:57 | 4225591 LetThemEatRand
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Jah Seh No to the Fed. 

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:21 | 4225649 The Persistent ...
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+100 for linking the greatest rock n regger of all time on Zero Hedge, not exactly a site i would picture as a hotbed of reggae lovers.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:49 | 4225700 Skateboarder
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The best rendition of Johnny B. Goode.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 00:24 | 4225996 Wen_Dat
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Sun, 12/08/2013 - 00:43 | 4226041 The Persistent ...
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From Captured Live, the greatest reggae album of all time. Bob Marley wasnt worthy to smoke Peter Toshes joint.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:15 | 4225640 Not Too Important
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"Somehow this seems odd, this recurring Japan and radiation thingamabobajig.. almost Biblical"

Armegeddon is a drop in the bucket compared to this. 


“For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed;
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!”

? George Gordon Byron

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 00:19 | 4225985 PeaceMonger
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Energy from Thorium!  Safe, abundant, clean, cannot weaponize... wonder why it's been buried?

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 09:20 | 4226436 Svendblaaskaeg
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"I wish Half Life 3 would actually come out, Half Life 2 came out in 2004."

Half Life 3 Forever??

"Duke Nukem Forever, was in development hell for over a decade after the initial announcement in April 1997. Promotional information for the game was released in 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2007, 2008 and 2009. As a result, the title was subject to intense speculation and won several vaporware awards."

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 02:15 | 4226197 Seer
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Great, this is actually some pretty REAL, life-threatening shit and you HAVE to chime in with your Bitcoin shtick.  Fucking tasteless...

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 04:16 | 4226300 dark pools of soros
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you mised playing Fallout 3???    brilliant.. and all the blown up radiated D.C. buildings are a ZH'er favorite!


Sun, 12/08/2013 - 14:00 | 4226870 robobbob
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wasn't "Fallout" going to do a sequal set in San Francisco?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 19:50 | 4225450 Wile-E-Coyote
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Radioactive consumption is that similar to TB, coughing up blood.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:17 | 4225511 CheapBastard
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Most radiation-induced Deaths will be slow and painful, not fast and easy. Here's what Wiki says:


Exposure to ionizing radiation is known to increase the future incidence of cancer, particularly leukemia. The mechanism by which this occurs is well understood, but quantitative models predicting the level of risk remain controversial. The most widely accepted model posits that the incidence of cancers due to ionizing radiation increases linearly with effective radiation dose at a rate of 5.5% per sievert. 


Radiation can cause cancer in most parts of the body, in all animals, and at any age, although radiation-induced solid tumors usually take 10–15 years, and can take up to 40 years, to become clinically manifest, and radiation-induced leukemias typically require 2–10 years to appear.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:31 | 4225664 Not Too Important
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The immediate result for all of us is radiogenic leukopenia. Watch your white blood cell counts. Whether we get cancer or something else, Fukushima is bringing us all RAIDS - Radiogenic Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome. Our immune systems are all going to hell, and then we get sick. This is what's causing the biocollapse across North America.

Just in time for Obamacare to destroy healthcare in the US. Not that it's any better anywhere else . . .

It isn't just because of the pay cuts that doctors are retiring en masse. They're going to spend what time is left with their families. They see what is happening from Fukushima daily in their waiting rooms, and it isn't good.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 01:19 | 4226118 TradingTroll
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Life on earth exists because our atmosphere has protected us from the harmful effects of ionising radiation. (98% of ionising radiation's deformities in humans aren't productive.)


So what did humans do? We took the one thing that was kept out of our atmosphere, that allowed us to live, and we recreated it inside our atmosphere.



Sun, 12/08/2013 - 02:18 | 4226200 Seer
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Pandora's fault!

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 14:10 | 4226894 robobbob
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at 2500 rads, it would be painful, extremely messy, and nowhere quick enough for the victim. its equivalent to being near the blast zone of a nuetron bahm.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:56 | 4225713 Miffed Microbio...
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True. But at least TB can be cured. Well, mostly, until those nasty XDR strains make it around the world thanks to idiots who abused antibiotics handing them out like M&Ms. What a glorious world we live in.


Sat, 12/07/2013 - 22:25 | 4225769 Lost Word
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Not to mention all the other XDR bacterial diseases that can kill faster than TB.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 02:44 | 4226236 Parrotile
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There's no money making the antibiotics that no-one wants to use. "Saving them for use as drug of last resort" does not help the "Innovation" side of the Industry's bottom line, and the only ones who will benefit will be the generic manufacturers once the patents run out.

XXDR (or TDR) TB is the one to watch, especially in the poorer / more populated parts of the World.  Really no effective treatment (save surgery), and spreads just as well as the non-resistant variants.

I notice Winters here, and almost on cue, we have reports of H7N9 surfacing in China - and the usual "Pandemic Panic" . The problem with the current fad for "OTT Reporting" is similar to the story of the boy who cried wolf - eventually (i.e. now) "everyone" is starting to ignore the WHO, etc, and not bother with vaccination. So, when "The Big One" DOES arrive, we will be caught napping (and "everyone" will then blame the WHO for not alerting us, although they had!).


Sun, 12/08/2013 - 10:46 | 4226514 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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You ever think the reptile people want a pandemic to remove some useless breathers as part of the plan. That and they can make a fortune on it later on selling vaccines once it starts infecting their class..

Back to your regularly scheduled programming 'cue twilight zone music'

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 15:03 | 4226680 Miffed Microbio...
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Border Control nabbed one last month trying to sneak across the border here 2 months back. 3+ smear positive and completely resistant. Haven't seen that in a few years and was hoping things were looking better. Now, once again I'm scared shitless. This guy was a flight risk so he was put under house arrest.

People are so clueless about the potential public health nightmare this will be if these strains break out. I was fortunate to have been on medical leave when we isolated it. The last TDR TB we isolated I was subbing to an LJ slant to send to the state for pyrosequencing when engineering turned off the circuit running my laminar flow hood. Someone complained the popcorn machine wasn't working. So here I was with a loop full of a TDR organism and the air now had reversed and was flowing towards me! That was the scariest 6 months of my life. Thank god I didn't seroconvert. That poor engineer was more freaked out than I was. He apologized for a year. It was an accident and I forgave him. It was funny to watch him train his replacement when he retired. " don't EVER touch the circuit box without first talking to Micro... someone may fucking DIE!"


Sat, 12/07/2013 - 23:13 | 4225859 jerry_theking_lawler
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like my micro grad avisor used to tell me...its just a matter of time and for them their time is FAST.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 19:59 | 4225465 The man with po...
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In THX 1138 style.

And don't forget your sedatives...

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:25 | 4225528 frankTHE COIN
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Baghdad Bob. " we have annihilated the enemy....What tanks ? "

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:49 | 4225575 Pooper Popper
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Good times man,Good times!

Fawk you whale,,,Fawk yu dolphin

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:50 | 4225579 Uber Vandal
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Soon, any information about Fukushima may be very difficult to come by.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:56 | 4225718 Millivanilli
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Kinda cool they are hosting the olympics for the most genetically gifted humans on the planet.   

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 19:40 | 4225431 Occident Mortal
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25 sieverts an hour?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 19:47 | 4225443 Wile-E-Coyote
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Yeah you will be fucking glowing forever.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 19:48 | 4225445 tawse57
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How many sieverts in a litecoin?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:04 | 4225477 knukles
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About two bits...


Sat, 12/07/2013 - 22:25 | 4225768 WmMcK
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Same as the # of seconds in 4 light years.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:00 | 4225467 JustObserving
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You have to live 10417 years to get 25 sieverts from natural sources ( The worldwide average natural dose to humans is about 2.4millisievert (mSv) per year   Wiki).

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:15 | 4225504 Race Car Driver
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Not anymore, Sunshine.

With Fukushima belching out radiation for the next ever, the new 'natural' dose now has a new normal ... and it's gonna be higher than ... normal.

Man ... WTF is normal, these days?

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 20:20 | 4225520 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Male cats having sex with male cats and female cats having sex with female cats, believing Obama, and thinking the NSA has got your back.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 21:00 | 4225599 DaddyO
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Stand at the crossroads and look;
    ask for the ancient paths,
ask where the good way is, and walk in it,
    and you will find rest for your souls.

Ancient Paths anyone?


Sun, 12/08/2013 - 15:29 | 4227071 Kobe Beef
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The Greek Stoics and Marcus Aurelius are pretty solid ancient paths. For everything else, there's Julius Evola and Thomas Carlyle.

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