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    The US, in its own decline, is showing this same self-destructive tendency. The worse things get, the greater the inclination of the citizenry to say, “Carry on, everything’s fine.”

Guest Post: The Triumph Of "Ron Paul"-ism

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Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform blog,

The American people are coming to the realization that everything Ron Paul has stood for in the last 40 years is true. He has been proven right regarding the Federal Reserve, the Military Industrial Complex, and the Warfare/Welfare Surveillance State. The American people have grown weary of inflation, wars of choice and being spied upon. Ron Paul’s consistently right message is finally making headway. He is a true American patriot.

 

America's Place In The World...

 

We Are All Non-Interventionists Now!

We are witnessing the triumph of Ron Paulism in the United States. The corporate media will avoid reporting it. They try their best to ignore Ron Paul’s 30 plus year intellectual march through our institutions.

But the facts in Pew Research’s 50 year survey of US views of “America’s place in the world” do not lie: This year the highest percentage of Americans ever — 53 percent — agree with the statement that “the US should mind its own business internationally and let other countries get along the best they can on their own.” (See illustration below)

Intervention

 

This means that despite the Mephistophelian temptations of the neoconservatives, offering war, interventionism, “responsibility to protect,” and humanitarian bombs, Americans are behind Ron Paul and the peacemakers — more than ever.

There is no major political figure in the United States who has more clearly identified himself with the cause of non-interventionism both at home and abroad.

When the Georgia/Russia war broke out in 2008, arch-neocon Senator John McCain incomprehensibly said that “we are all Georgians now.” He meant that we should go to war with Russia to back up a Georgian provocation. His slogan is laughable now, particularly as the facts have come out about the war.

But we can say this with all the facts to back us up: “We are (mostly) non-interventionists now!” We are in the growing majority, but still we have to fight the powers-that-be to get our message heard. The censorship and propaganda against our message is strong. The war machine does not give up easily.

Please continue to support the Ron Paul Institute’s efforts to advance Ron Paul’s important work. Read our website, share the articles, follow us on Facebook and Twitter, and if you can please financially support our efforts. Ron Paul is winning. Let’s help him!

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Sun, 12/08/2013 - 21:48 | 4228001 A Lunatic
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I am Ron Paul.....

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 21:59 | 4228032 Pladizow
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Bring all guns home and point them outward!

“In earlier times it was easier to control a million people, then to physically kill a million people, today it is infinitely easier to kill a million people then to control a million people.’  - Zbigniew Brzezinski 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:14 | 4228076 22winmag
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I've always said machine guns nests at the border are the way to go!

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:20 | 4228093 SafelyGraze
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great article.

totally love it that people are agreeing with rp about wars n the fed n stuff.

of course, we have kinda moved on a little bit, so it's harmless now when people are all 'metal is real money' and 'debts will never be paid' and 'war is just a way to increase debt'

meanwhile, we have moved forward to step n+1 in the enslavement/depop game

hugs,
tptb

ps eat your vegetables 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:04 | 4228212 MSimon
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On Dec 6, 1941 America had similar sentiments. Something changed that. It can't happen again. Why? Because we have faith in non-intervention.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:44 | 4228405 boogerbently
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But, he's a "libtard teabagger neocon" according to the MSM and the sheep that believe them.

The BERST man for America is unelectable here.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:24 | 4228563 artless
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Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've sen written in a while.

Dec 7, 1941 WAS CAUSED BY OUR INTERVENTIONALSIT FOREIGN POLICY YOU FuCKING MORON.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:14 | 4228837 MSimon
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I know that. We should have continued selling oil to Japan. And given them Hawii and Midway had they asked.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:18 | 4228845 MSimon
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A world run by the Chinese and Russians where America has no say will be so much better. I expet America to get nuked in the next five years. Maybe less. And then it is off to the races. And the cemetaries.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 10:04 | 4228921 Zero Debt
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On what grounds do you say that China or Russia can run the world?

They can't even run their own countries.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 17:23 | 4230508 MSimon
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There will be a power vacuum when America retreats. Some one will try to fill it. The post WW1 history all over again.

 

Now maybe it will be different - we will get a lot of little somethings trying to fill it. With lots of local wars. Maybe similar to the break up of Pax Romana. But we could get WW3.5 (counting the Cold War as WW3.0).

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 08:30 | 4228805 Offthebeach
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Wilson and later his Sec. of Navy, Roosevelt both ran on keeping America out of war. They were both lying.
LBJ too.
doesn't matter what the sheeple might fancy. They don't count.
Not 1in 50 Walmartians know who RP is.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:32 | 4228868 Dangertime
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There have been hundreds and hundreds of conflicts this last century that did NOT erupt into Global Wars.  Bringing up one means that it is a good idea to get involved less than 1% of the time.

 

The odds are not in your favor MSimon.  Nobody buys your "boogeyman bull$hit" anymore, nor should they.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:16 | 4228549 Chuck Walla
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This means that despite the Mephistophelian temptations of the neoconservatives, offering war, interventionism, “responsibility to protect,” and humanitarian bombs,

So Obama is a Neo-con? WW II, Korea and Nam were caused by Neo cons? Or by good Democrats who needed to feed their egos, ease economic problems or get paid by MIC?

FORWARD SOVIET WAR MACHINE!

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:00 | 4228033 DoChenRollingBearing
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And it's nice to see America waking up.

But, I think that the dream is pretty much gone now...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:00 | 4228523 EscapingProgress
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Global gov't here we come!!!

When do I get to start using my IMFbux?

This loss of faith in American global hegemony will be spun as support for more international governance.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:03 | 4228048 Pareto
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Dream is never gone.  Just the dreamer.  My favorite:

 

"Speak up, speak often
and don't worry about those that
at this point cannot understand,
as they can never un-hear
what we tell them."

~ Ron Paul ~

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:10 | 4228228 kchrisc
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I call this "brain squatting." One cannot convince the sheeple, as they want, need, to believe the lies. I figure that if I can give them some factual info on what is happening and, more importantly, what is going to happen along with what they need to do--Gold, guns and grub--they may wake up sooner and have a better chance.

As for firearms and those that are "anti" or "no guns for me" types, I always remind them that they WON'T be able to acquire them if bad things do come, so better to have them locked up and unused in the basement than need one day but be SOL.

A few have actually woken up and taken action. One in particular was "no guns for me thanks," but now goes to the owns several "combat" types and goes to the range frequently. He has also begun to prep some, but more importantly he is pursuing his own info on what is happening.

Remember, you CANNOT convince them, but you can inform them.

So keep on "brain squatting," as you may just save a life or two.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:51 | 4228171 rubiconsolutions
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"I am Ron Paul....."

Okay......so what now? Sure, Ron Paul has been right about a lot of things but that and $4.50 will get you a cup of coffee at SBUX. Then there's the real work to undo it all. How is that gonna be done now that everyone has been inculcated into passivity?

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:54 | 4228187 A Lunatic
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Everyone......? I don't think that word means what you think it means.......

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:45 | 4228303 rubiconsolutions
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Yeah, you're right. Most everyone but there are a few enlightened folks. A very few.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:01 | 4228328 JacksNight
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CFR?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 10:12 | 4228937 doctor10
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America doesn't go forward until Washington backs out of other peoples'-including our own-lives

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 21:50 | 4228006 holdbuysell
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Buying time is the name of the game for TPTB.

The (few) unwashed masses get it and are spreading the message.

 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 21:55 | 4228027 Ignatius
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" ... — 53 percent — agree with the statement that “the US should mind its own business internationally and let other countries get along the best they can on their own.”

And people wonder 'why 9/11 and why the police state?'

 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:01 | 4228031 LetThemEatRand
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You rock, Ron.  Do us all a favor and bitch slap your corporatist drone-loving son.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:01 | 4228037 DoChenRollingBearing
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By definition very few are saints.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:03 | 4228043 Pladizow
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@LetThemEatRand - Perhaps Rand is temporarily playing a part, to later be elected president?

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:09 | 4228063 Ignatius
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JFK thought he was President.  Boy, did he learn the hard way.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:36 | 4228488 A Nanny Moose
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JFK was simply the son of a prohibition era mobster, who won the grand beauty contest.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 06:58 | 4228713 Ignatius
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I'm speaking to 'why' JFK was killed.  He went off the reservation.

 

Would not attack Cuba at Bay of Pigs failure

Wanted to stop CIA covert actions

Negotiated back door with Kruschev during '62 missile crisis

Negotiated nuclear test ban

Said 'no' to Operation Northwoods (signed off by entire Joint Chiefs)

Issued US debt free silver dollars

Plan to end 'oil depletion allowance' (huge tax break for big oil)

Prosecuted the mob

Planned withdrawl from Vietnam

American University peace speech in June of '63

 

He was 'going his own way and as he saw fit' and was killed for it by TPTB

 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 08:45 | 4228817 Disenchanted
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and...Told Israel to terminate their developing nukes for weapons program.

Funny how that one is rarely mentioned.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:43 | 4228883 frenzic
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Close to never actually. This is the first I've heard of it.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 11:35 | 4229121 Disenchanted
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see:  The Hollywood Spy

Also look for a book titled Final Judgment by Michael Collins Piper

 

The main stream status quo denounces the latter roundly. Read it for yourself if you're truly interested in this subject.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:04 | 4228049 NidStyles
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Yet earlier today you were telling the rest of us how the principles that Ron Paul represents were the same that created this mess that is the present reality, and how they were the same principles that supported Oligarchial rule.

 

You are a populist Fabian, and an idiot for not knowing anything.

 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:47 | 4228157 LetThemEatRand
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I said no such thing.  Show me.  Of course you got confused because I don't see things in black and white and have a simple mind like you.   Here's an example of what I really said:

LetThemEatRand

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Vote up!

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That is not all that Mises is pushing.  I agree we need to end the Fed.   I voted for RP because he wanted to end the Fed, the MIC (which exists because of the Fed), and many other things I agree with.  But that's where my agreement with Mises ends.  It is simply not a solution to put all the power in the hands of the giant corporations by completely deregulating them and eliminating worker protection laws, which is the other paradigm that Mises advocates.    As usual when these debates surface on ZH, it seems that everyone must go into an all or nothing camp, or assume that anyone who disagrees with them is in the "other" camp.  That type of binary thinking is exactly what is wrong with the world today and why these guys remain in power.  No one can agree to meet in the middle on anything.

 

How about this.  Let's end the Fed.  First order of business.  Then, after the Fed is gone, let's debate what to do with the issue of globalist corporations and the right of workers to bargain collectively.  But if we can only agree to End the Fed if it means everything else Mises is pushing, we'll never get there and we'll be ... here.  Right where they want us.

 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:29 | 4228265 Anusocracy
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I think you are slowly catching on, which is good.

But corporations are CREATURES OF THE STATE.

That's today's lesson.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:48 | 4228307 LetThemEatRand
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And your lesson for today is that corporations pre-existed elected government.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:23 | 4228564 A Nanny Moose
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Evidence please?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:59 | 4228612 WOAR
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LTER is right. Which came first, the East India Company or Britain's excursions into India?

Obviously, the British government only went after the spice AFTER it had the taste...provided by a corporation willing to sell it.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:12 | 4228827 Disenchanted
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Queen Elizabeth I granted the corporate charter(aka Royal Charter) to the East India Company in 1600.

So yes Corporations are creations of the State...and specifically in the case of the East India Co.

 

I think you'll find the same was the case for the Dutch East India Co. in 1602 as well.

 

edit: LTER said: "corporations pre-existed elected government."

 

I doubt that Queen Elizabeth I was elected...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:17 | 4228846 Disenchanted
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-1 for facts...really?

December 31, 1600

 

 

1600 ROYAL CHARTER

The Company of merchants of London trading into The East Indies is granted a royal charter by Queen Elizabeth I, established with 125 shareholders and £72,000 of capital.  Sir Thomas Smythe is The Company’s first Governor. Elizabeth also limited the liability of the EIC’s investors as well as her liabilities in granting a Royal Charter. This made The Company the world’s first limited liability corporation.

http://www.theeastindiacompany.com/index.php/24/timeline/

 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 10:13 | 4228869 falak pema
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Nope not true historically. The company of Merchant adventurers, first corporate structure created by royal charter of king Henry IV, whose origins go back to Magna Carta days ( 1216 fraternity of St Thomas of Canterbury), was a guild of feudal land owners with sheep holdings. This charter allowed the merchant barons to import from Bruges and Ghent the cloth made from their own english wool that they produced, for the benefit of the English market.

It is therefore debatable in the making of this guild who held more power; the sheep barons or the king. Keeping in mind that we are in the middle of the 100 years war, which started in Flanders precisely for reasons of France blocking England's access to Flemish cloth (the Artevelds); true casus belli, whereas the more political one officially used was legitimacy of Edward III's claim to french Capetian crown, where he should have had privilege of first blood over rival Valois cousin. 

A similar situation existed with the East India Company, the Dutch Each indies company (where the state trappings, not those of the rebellious guild, were in fact in the hands of the rival Habsburgs); as is true for the Venetian example of 1204 Crusade above; more fait accompli executed by private corporates than royal initiative and decree.

Very often the State or King just "rubber stamped" the pirate or merchant venture as it was in its longer term interest; without putting any royal "skin" into the venture; until the merchant had shown a "full house" to king...

So we are more in a situation of entrepreneurial power sharing than subserviency to king/state; a bit like Google or Exxon or JPM today! 

In my book its feudal "crony capitalism" to a T ! And today we have resuscitated it bigtime. And we know WHO wears the SHOE in current Congress.

PS : For those who would have us believe that State and Private corporates are the same thing : Private Law in West was invented under Lex Romana (emperor Augustus saw its true spawning from Republican Rome days, where the divide between private property and public property was clearly defined. An Emperor put it into indeliblle print and imperial Law.

The purpose of private enterprise and public enterprise have different OBJECTIVES but often USE identical MEANS (alas). When there is CRONY power sharing in capital or social programs then the objectives and means get truly mixed up, often by people who move freely from state to private sector (ex : Bush/Cheney).

Thats where Montesquieu's separation of power LOGIC MUST triumph over the Machiavellian, crony, corrupt mephisto like incestuosity to clean out those stables of accumulated dumps from hubristic bowel pumps.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:38 | 4228490 A Nanny Moose
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Do NOT make me repeat myself again LTER. CORPORATION ARE A LEGAL FICTION, created by government. As government grows, so does corporate power.

Corporations require government. In the free market, corporations DO NOT EXIST until government legislates the corporation into existence...at which point there is not longer a free market.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 04:15 | 4228656 Ghordius
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how about the Buccaneers? companies of pirates who had no state or government, yet arguably a sterling example of corporations imbued with that kind of "slash-and-grab spirit" LTER and I rail against

sorry, the "In the free market, corporations do not exist until government legislates them into existence..." is a bit of a Misean Clubber Legend

based on a quite vast archeological evidence and history in general I could put forward the opposite theory: corporations of enterprising gentlemen intent on making unexpected visits on others - in form of a raid, horde or pirate ship company - were first, and the city-state evolved in order to protect a population from their visits as a response to them

Vikings raids, for example, transformed several landscapes from England to Russia to what is Turkey today. The Vandals set the standards for Med Piracy for centuries from their Northern African bases, up to the point where even the US Navy intervened, as still commemorated by the Marine's hymn "...to the shores of Tripoli"

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imo it's simple: at a certain point in history, US debate on policy acquired a peculiar connotation: either you are pro-biz, i.e. corporations are holy, or you are a leftoid. and so entrenching this dichtonomy of free corporations vs. tyrannical state

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 08:30 | 4228803 falak pema
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The birth of Venice as Mediterranean super power : Doge Dandolo and how he channeled the Crusader army to Constantinople in 1204 all for Venice's benefit under the very nose of Pope Innocent III and Kings and Holy Emperors (who loved it in fact) as it made West master of Eastern Empire.

The State loves a Pirate who brings it wealth when he succeeds, like Cortez and Pizarro! 

Our Corporates today play the same role for the same reasons : State is bankrupt as were France and Holy Emperor in middle ages to PAY for passage of Crusader armies to Holy Land! 

Money talks! And has no smell! 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:45 | 4228887 BigJim
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People get too hung up on this false corporations/government divide.

The East India companies were indeed granted charters by their respective governments to act as extensions of the governmemnt - ie, to do business by using methods that included violence. Today, this kind of charter is really only extended to companies that are directly involved in our imperialism (like 'military contractors', ie, mercenaries). But it's no coincidence that people in government are often directors in 'private companies' and vice versa.

You people need to remember what government is - it's the exclusive claim to the right to initiate violence within a certain geographical boundary; to force people to do things against their will. It seems to me virtually all governments are descended from two forks of predation - either the sort of roaming bands of conquerors (like the Normans) who have absolutely no respect for rights of property or life, until they conquer an area and decide to settle it, at which point they get all 'righteous' and pronounce laws protecting both... so they don't lose what they've just stolen.

Or, you have groups who voluntarily merge to protect themselves from the above... and whose polities get hijacked by the same sort of sociopaths that lead the aforementioned roving bands.

Now, in a 'democracy', the electorate have - in theory - at least some method of limiting the predations of their 'leaders'. Which is why governments lie, distort statistics, propagandise, etc. It's also why they set up 'legal' entities like companies - to protect themselves and their cronies from the laws that limit the common folk.

Which is why it's so baffling to see people like LTER excoriate corporations, without her realising that ALL their power currently stems from the protections extended them by the chief monopolists of coercion -'our' governments.

There are people and groups who make their way through life by producing things of value which they trade peacefully with others. And there are people and groups who make their way through life by fraud, deception, theft and murder. Whether the latter are labelled 'governments' or 'corporations' is irrelevant. Look at their actions, not their labels.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:31 | 4228272 silverserfer
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fuck off nid, you are snive troll that NEVER contributes more to this site than condecending comments and barnyard superiority. 

Sniveling weasel. 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 21:59 | 4228035 casfoto
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The push to go into other countries is the Corporate American Plan to expand their world market share....they utilize our troops and state dept to establish a foot hold and the next thing you know....Viola there is a Kentucky Fried Chicken, Burger King and Mac Ds on every street in Kazakastan. The CIA NSA work for corporate America. Ron Paul is right. We should but out.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:38 | 4228292 Anusocracy
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It is not possible to have a world government without a world culture.

They have to undo the ingroup-outgroup morality.

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