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Guest Post: The Triumph Of "Ron Paul"-ism

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Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform blog,

The American people are coming to the realization that everything Ron Paul has stood for in the last 40 years is true. He has been proven right regarding the Federal Reserve, the Military Industrial Complex, and the Warfare/Welfare Surveillance State. The American people have grown weary of inflation, wars of choice and being spied upon. Ron Paul’s consistently right message is finally making headway. He is a true American patriot.

 

America's Place In The World...

 

We Are All Non-Interventionists Now!

We are witnessing the triumph of Ron Paulism in the United States. The corporate media will avoid reporting it. They try their best to ignore Ron Paul’s 30 plus year intellectual march through our institutions.

But the facts in Pew Research’s 50 year survey of US views of “America’s place in the world” do not lie: This year the highest percentage of Americans ever — 53 percent — agree with the statement that “the US should mind its own business internationally and let other countries get along the best they can on their own.” (See illustration below)

Intervention

 

This means that despite the Mephistophelian temptations of the neoconservatives, offering war, interventionism, “responsibility to protect,” and humanitarian bombs, Americans are behind Ron Paul and the peacemakers — more than ever.

There is no major political figure in the United States who has more clearly identified himself with the cause of non-interventionism both at home and abroad.

When the Georgia/Russia war broke out in 2008, arch-neocon Senator John McCain incomprehensibly said that “we are all Georgians now.” He meant that we should go to war with Russia to back up a Georgian provocation. His slogan is laughable now, particularly as the facts have come out about the war.

But we can say this with all the facts to back us up: “We are (mostly) non-interventionists now!” We are in the growing majority, but still we have to fight the powers-that-be to get our message heard. The censorship and propaganda against our message is strong. The war machine does not give up easily.

Please continue to support the Ron Paul Institute’s efforts to advance Ron Paul’s important work. Read our website, share the articles, follow us on Facebook and Twitter, and if you can please financially support our efforts. Ron Paul is winning. Let’s help him!

 

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Sun, 12/08/2013 - 21:48 | 4228001 A Lunatic
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I am Ron Paul.....

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 21:59 | 4228032 Pladizow
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Bring all guns home and point them outward!

“In earlier times it was easier to control a million people, then to physically kill a million people, today it is infinitely easier to kill a million people then to control a million people.’  - Zbigniew Brzezinski 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:14 | 4228076 22winmag
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I've always said machine guns nests at the border are the way to go!

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:20 | 4228093 SafelyGraze
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great article.

totally love it that people are agreeing with rp about wars n the fed n stuff.

of course, we have kinda moved on a little bit, so it's harmless now when people are all 'metal is real money' and 'debts will never be paid' and 'war is just a way to increase debt'

meanwhile, we have moved forward to step n+1 in the enslavement/depop game

hugs,
tptb

ps eat your vegetables 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:04 | 4228212 MSimon
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On Dec 6, 1941 America had similar sentiments. Something changed that. It can't happen again. Why? Because we have faith in non-intervention.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:44 | 4228405 boogerbently
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But, he's a "libtard teabagger neocon" according to the MSM and the sheep that believe them.

The BERST man for America is unelectable here.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:24 | 4228563 artless
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Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've sen written in a while.

Dec 7, 1941 WAS CAUSED BY OUR INTERVENTIONALSIT FOREIGN POLICY YOU FuCKING MORON.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:14 | 4228837 MSimon
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I know that. We should have continued selling oil to Japan. And given them Hawii and Midway had they asked.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:18 | 4228845 MSimon
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A world run by the Chinese and Russians where America has no say will be so much better. I expet America to get nuked in the next five years. Maybe less. And then it is off to the races. And the cemetaries.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 10:04 | 4228921 Zero Debt
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On what grounds do you say that China or Russia can run the world?

They can't even run their own countries.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 17:23 | 4230508 MSimon
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There will be a power vacuum when America retreats. Some one will try to fill it. The post WW1 history all over again.

 

Now maybe it will be different - we will get a lot of little somethings trying to fill it. With lots of local wars. Maybe similar to the break up of Pax Romana. But we could get WW3.5 (counting the Cold War as WW3.0).

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 08:30 | 4228805 Offthebeach
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Wilson and later his Sec. of Navy, Roosevelt both ran on keeping America out of war. They were both lying.
LBJ too.
doesn't matter what the sheeple might fancy. They don't count.
Not 1in 50 Walmartians know who RP is.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:32 | 4228868 Dangertime
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There have been hundreds and hundreds of conflicts this last century that did NOT erupt into Global Wars.  Bringing up one means that it is a good idea to get involved less than 1% of the time.

 

The odds are not in your favor MSimon.  Nobody buys your "boogeyman bull$hit" anymore, nor should they.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:16 | 4228549 Chuck Walla
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This means that despite the Mephistophelian temptations of the neoconservatives, offering war, interventionism, “responsibility to protect,” and humanitarian bombs,

So Obama is a Neo-con? WW II, Korea and Nam were caused by Neo cons? Or by good Democrats who needed to feed their egos, ease economic problems or get paid by MIC?

FORWARD SOVIET WAR MACHINE!

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:00 | 4228033 DoChenRollingBearing
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And it's nice to see America waking up.

But, I think that the dream is pretty much gone now...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:00 | 4228523 EscapingProgress
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Global gov't here we come!!!

When do I get to start using my IMFbux?

This loss of faith in American global hegemony will be spun as support for more international governance.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:03 | 4228048 Pareto
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Dream is never gone.  Just the dreamer.  My favorite:

 

"Speak up, speak often
and don't worry about those that
at this point cannot understand,
as they can never un-hear
what we tell them."

~ Ron Paul ~

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:10 | 4228228 kchrisc
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I call this "brain squatting." One cannot convince the sheeple, as they want, need, to believe the lies. I figure that if I can give them some factual info on what is happening and, more importantly, what is going to happen along with what they need to do--Gold, guns and grub--they may wake up sooner and have a better chance.

As for firearms and those that are "anti" or "no guns for me" types, I always remind them that they WON'T be able to acquire them if bad things do come, so better to have them locked up and unused in the basement than need one day but be SOL.

A few have actually woken up and taken action. One in particular was "no guns for me thanks," but now goes to the owns several "combat" types and goes to the range frequently. He has also begun to prep some, but more importantly he is pursuing his own info on what is happening.

Remember, you CANNOT convince them, but you can inform them.

So keep on "brain squatting," as you may just save a life or two.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:51 | 4228171 rubiconsolutions
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"I am Ron Paul....."

Okay......so what now? Sure, Ron Paul has been right about a lot of things but that and $4.50 will get you a cup of coffee at SBUX. Then there's the real work to undo it all. How is that gonna be done now that everyone has been inculcated into passivity?

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:54 | 4228187 A Lunatic
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Everyone......? I don't think that word means what you think it means.......

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:45 | 4228303 rubiconsolutions
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Yeah, you're right. Most everyone but there are a few enlightened folks. A very few.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:01 | 4228328 JacksNight
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CFR?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 10:12 | 4228937 doctor10
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America doesn't go forward until Washington backs out of other peoples'-including our own-lives

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 21:50 | 4228006 holdbuysell
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Buying time is the name of the game for TPTB.

The (few) unwashed masses get it and are spreading the message.

 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 21:55 | 4228027 Ignatius
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" ... — 53 percent — agree with the statement that “the US should mind its own business internationally and let other countries get along the best they can on their own.”

And people wonder 'why 9/11 and why the police state?'

 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:01 | 4228031 LetThemEatRand
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You rock, Ron.  Do us all a favor and bitch slap your corporatist drone-loving son.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:01 | 4228037 DoChenRollingBearing
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By definition very few are saints.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:03 | 4228043 Pladizow
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@LetThemEatRand - Perhaps Rand is temporarily playing a part, to later be elected president?

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:09 | 4228063 Ignatius
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JFK thought he was President.  Boy, did he learn the hard way.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:36 | 4228488 A Nanny Moose
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JFK was simply the son of a prohibition era mobster, who won the grand beauty contest.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 06:58 | 4228713 Ignatius
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I'm speaking to 'why' JFK was killed.  He went off the reservation.

 

Would not attack Cuba at Bay of Pigs failure

Wanted to stop CIA covert actions

Negotiated back door with Kruschev during '62 missile crisis

Negotiated nuclear test ban

Said 'no' to Operation Northwoods (signed off by entire Joint Chiefs)

Issued US debt free silver dollars

Plan to end 'oil depletion allowance' (huge tax break for big oil)

Prosecuted the mob

Planned withdrawl from Vietnam

American University peace speech in June of '63

 

He was 'going his own way and as he saw fit' and was killed for it by TPTB

 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 08:45 | 4228817 Disenchanted
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and...Told Israel to terminate their developing nukes for weapons program.

Funny how that one is rarely mentioned.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:43 | 4228883 frenzic
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Close to never actually. This is the first I've heard of it.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 11:35 | 4229121 Disenchanted
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see:  The Hollywood Spy

Also look for a book titled Final Judgment by Michael Collins Piper

 

The main stream status quo denounces the latter roundly. Read it for yourself if you're truly interested in this subject.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:04 | 4228049 NidStyles
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Yet earlier today you were telling the rest of us how the principles that Ron Paul represents were the same that created this mess that is the present reality, and how they were the same principles that supported Oligarchial rule.

 

You are a populist Fabian, and an idiot for not knowing anything.

 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:47 | 4228157 LetThemEatRand
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I said no such thing.  Show me.  Of course you got confused because I don't see things in black and white and have a simple mind like you.   Here's an example of what I really said:

LetThemEatRand

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Vote up!

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Vote down!

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That is not all that Mises is pushing.  I agree we need to end the Fed.   I voted for RP because he wanted to end the Fed, the MIC (which exists because of the Fed), and many other things I agree with.  But that's where my agreement with Mises ends.  It is simply not a solution to put all the power in the hands of the giant corporations by completely deregulating them and eliminating worker protection laws, which is the other paradigm that Mises advocates.    As usual when these debates surface on ZH, it seems that everyone must go into an all or nothing camp, or assume that anyone who disagrees with them is in the "other" camp.  That type of binary thinking is exactly what is wrong with the world today and why these guys remain in power.  No one can agree to meet in the middle on anything.

 

How about this.  Let's end the Fed.  First order of business.  Then, after the Fed is gone, let's debate what to do with the issue of globalist corporations and the right of workers to bargain collectively.  But if we can only agree to End the Fed if it means everything else Mises is pushing, we'll never get there and we'll be ... here.  Right where they want us.

 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:29 | 4228265 Anusocracy
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I think you are slowly catching on, which is good.

But corporations are CREATURES OF THE STATE.

That's today's lesson.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:48 | 4228307 LetThemEatRand
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And your lesson for today is that corporations pre-existed elected government.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:23 | 4228564 A Nanny Moose
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Evidence please?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:59 | 4228612 WOAR
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LTER is right. Which came first, the East India Company or Britain's excursions into India?

Obviously, the British government only went after the spice AFTER it had the taste...provided by a corporation willing to sell it.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:12 | 4228827 Disenchanted
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Queen Elizabeth I granted the corporate charter(aka Royal Charter) to the East India Company in 1600.

So yes Corporations are creations of the State...and specifically in the case of the East India Co.

 

I think you'll find the same was the case for the Dutch East India Co. in 1602 as well.

 

edit: LTER said: "corporations pre-existed elected government."

 

I doubt that Queen Elizabeth I was elected...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:17 | 4228846 Disenchanted
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-1 for facts...really?

December 31, 1600

 

 

1600 ROYAL CHARTER

The Company of merchants of London trading into The East Indies is granted a royal charter by Queen Elizabeth I, established with 125 shareholders and £72,000 of capital.  Sir Thomas Smythe is The Company’s first Governor. Elizabeth also limited the liability of the EIC’s investors as well as her liabilities in granting a Royal Charter. This made The Company the world’s first limited liability corporation.

http://www.theeastindiacompany.com/index.php/24/timeline/

 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 10:13 | 4228869 falak pema
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Nope not true historically. The company of Merchant adventurers, first corporate structure created by royal charter of king Henry IV, whose origins go back to Magna Carta days ( 1216 fraternity of St Thomas of Canterbury), was a guild of feudal land owners with sheep holdings. This charter allowed the merchant barons to import from Bruges and Ghent the cloth made from their own english wool that they produced, for the benefit of the English market.

It is therefore debatable in the making of this guild who held more power; the sheep barons or the king. Keeping in mind that we are in the middle of the 100 years war, which started in Flanders precisely for reasons of France blocking England's access to Flemish cloth (the Artevelds); true casus belli, whereas the more political one officially used was legitimacy of Edward III's claim to french Capetian crown, where he should have had privilege of first blood over rival Valois cousin. 

A similar situation existed with the East India Company, the Dutch Each indies company (where the state trappings, not those of the rebellious guild, were in fact in the hands of the rival Habsburgs); as is true for the Venetian example of 1204 Crusade above; more fait accompli executed by private corporates than royal initiative and decree.

Very often the State or King just "rubber stamped" the pirate or merchant venture as it was in its longer term interest; without putting any royal "skin" into the venture; until the merchant had shown a "full house" to king...

So we are more in a situation of entrepreneurial power sharing than subserviency to king/state; a bit like Google or Exxon or JPM today! 

In my book its feudal "crony capitalism" to a T ! And today we have resuscitated it bigtime. And we know WHO wears the SHOE in current Congress.

PS : For those who would have us believe that State and Private corporates are the same thing : Private Law in West was invented under Lex Romana (emperor Augustus saw its true spawning from Republican Rome days, where the divide between private property and public property was clearly defined. An Emperor put it into indeliblle print and imperial Law.

The purpose of private enterprise and public enterprise have different OBJECTIVES but often USE identical MEANS (alas). When there is CRONY power sharing in capital or social programs then the objectives and means get truly mixed up, often by people who move freely from state to private sector (ex : Bush/Cheney).

Thats where Montesquieu's separation of power LOGIC MUST triumph over the Machiavellian, crony, corrupt mephisto like incestuosity to clean out those stables of accumulated dumps from hubristic bowel pumps.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:38 | 4228490 A Nanny Moose
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Do NOT make me repeat myself again LTER. CORPORATION ARE A LEGAL FICTION, created by government. As government grows, so does corporate power.

Corporations require government. In the free market, corporations DO NOT EXIST until government legislates the corporation into existence...at which point there is not longer a free market.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 04:15 | 4228656 Ghordius
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how about the Buccaneers? companies of pirates who had no state or government, yet arguably a sterling example of corporations imbued with that kind of "slash-and-grab spirit" LTER and I rail against

sorry, the "In the free market, corporations do not exist until government legislates them into existence..." is a bit of a Misean Clubber Legend

based on a quite vast archeological evidence and history in general I could put forward the opposite theory: corporations of enterprising gentlemen intent on making unexpected visits on others - in form of a raid, horde or pirate ship company - were first, and the city-state evolved in order to protect a population from their visits as a response to them

Vikings raids, for example, transformed several landscapes from England to Russia to what is Turkey today. The Vandals set the standards for Med Piracy for centuries from their Northern African bases, up to the point where even the US Navy intervened, as still commemorated by the Marine's hymn "...to the shores of Tripoli"

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imo it's simple: at a certain point in history, US debate on policy acquired a peculiar connotation: either you are pro-biz, i.e. corporations are holy, or you are a leftoid. and so entrenching this dichtonomy of free corporations vs. tyrannical state

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 08:30 | 4228803 falak pema
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The birth of Venice as Mediterranean super power : Doge Dandolo and how he channeled the Crusader army to Constantinople in 1204 all for Venice's benefit under the very nose of Pope Innocent III and Kings and Holy Emperors (who loved it in fact) as it made West master of Eastern Empire.

The State loves a Pirate who brings it wealth when he succeeds, like Cortez and Pizarro! 

Our Corporates today play the same role for the same reasons : State is bankrupt as were France and Holy Emperor in middle ages to PAY for passage of Crusader armies to Holy Land! 

Money talks! And has no smell! 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:45 | 4228887 BigJim
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People get too hung up on this false corporations/government divide.

The East India companies were indeed granted charters by their respective governments to act as extensions of the governmemnt - ie, to do business by using methods that included violence. Today, this kind of charter is really only extended to companies that are directly involved in our imperialism (like 'military contractors', ie, mercenaries). But it's no coincidence that people in government are often directors in 'private companies' and vice versa.

You people need to remember what government is - it's the exclusive claim to the right to initiate violence within a certain geographical boundary; to force people to do things against their will. It seems to me virtually all governments are descended from two forks of predation - either the sort of roaming bands of conquerors (like the Normans) who have absolutely no respect for rights of property or life, until they conquer an area and decide to settle it, at which point they get all 'righteous' and pronounce laws protecting both... so they don't lose what they've just stolen.

Or, you have groups who voluntarily merge to protect themselves from the above... and whose polities get hijacked by the same sort of sociopaths that lead the aforementioned roving bands.

Now, in a 'democracy', the electorate have - in theory - at least some method of limiting the predations of their 'leaders'. Which is why governments lie, distort statistics, propagandise, etc. It's also why they set up 'legal' entities like companies - to protect themselves and their cronies from the laws that limit the common folk.

Which is why it's so baffling to see people like LTER excoriate corporations, without her realising that ALL their power currently stems from the protections extended them by the chief monopolists of coercion -'our' governments.

There are people and groups who make their way through life by producing things of value which they trade peacefully with others. And there are people and groups who make their way through life by fraud, deception, theft and murder. Whether the latter are labelled 'governments' or 'corporations' is irrelevant. Look at their actions, not their labels.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:31 | 4228272 silverserfer
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fuck off nid, you are snive troll that NEVER contributes more to this site than condecending comments and barnyard superiority. 

Sniveling weasel. 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 21:59 | 4228035 casfoto
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The push to go into other countries is the Corporate American Plan to expand their world market share....they utilize our troops and state dept to establish a foot hold and the next thing you know....Viola there is a Kentucky Fried Chicken, Burger King and Mac Ds on every street in Kazakastan. The CIA NSA work for corporate America. Ron Paul is right. We should but out.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:38 | 4228292 Anusocracy
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It is not possible to have a world government without a world culture.

They have to undo the ingroup-outgroup morality.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:02 | 4228045 Clueless1
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I'm not 'Murican, but this quote seemed relevant.

"This country has been sick, this country needs healing, this country needs medicine - in fact I'd go so far as to say that, what this country really needs, right now, is a Doctor."

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:25 | 4228110 knukles
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               gagging sounds

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:27 | 4228112 razorthin
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Be careful what you wish for.  Howard Dean is still lurking.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:07 | 4228338 quasimodo
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Howard Dean cannot lurk with a gurlish squeal like he owns

 

YEEAHHHHH!!!!!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5FzCeV0ZFc

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:34 | 4228130 Kirk2NCC1701
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This country doesn't need an Enemy.
This country needs an Enema. Cause it's so full of it.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:18 | 4228245 WillyGroper
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Doc, I think you're a little late.

It needs a mortician.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 03:05 | 4228619 Freddie
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The US needs Doctor Detroit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_A8Xe9M0NY

What a horrible movie. The Devo music video was better and kinda like the chubby Asian girl.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:07 | 4228062 DaddyO
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But the facts in Pew Research’s 50 year survey of US views of “America’s place in the world” do not lie: This year the highest percentage of Americans ever — 53 percent — agree with the statement that “the US should mind its own business internationally and let other countries get along the best they can on their own.”

What a novel idea whose time has come...

I wish Ron Paul was thirty years younger, he would make such a great presidential candidate.

DaddyO

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:44 | 4228160 Theta_Burn
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I wish Ron Paul was thirty years younger..

Yep, RP a tad to late and Ross Perot, way to early.

Perot's running mate Admiral James Stockdale, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Stockdale a man with more bravery, and integrity in his little finger than all of the sewer urchins currently in office, then and now, including the king chode himself John McCain.

They mocked Stockdale because he couldn't hear.

Perot was our first hope, Ron Paul was our last....

 

 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:37 | 4228288 stormsailor
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i personally knew james stockdale, he was everything you said above and then some.  it upsets me when i hear others that only saw him in the presidential debates speak of him.  why is ignorance so loud?  

 

he would kick mcstain right in the knutts, if he were here today.

 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:10 | 4228350 Theta_Burn
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Awesome

And I totally agree, a mans lifetime of achivements, his character assassinated in mere minutes. I don't think it ignorance, these true Americans are real threats to the status-hoes.

They weren't listening to Ron Paul, they were busy making headlines about the guys fucking eyebrow

 America got what it deserves, a man who came from nowhere, who has accomplished nothing...but the destruction of whats left of America

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 03:25 | 4228626 Freddie
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I am not sure if you guys remember this.  James Stockdale came out and talked about the night he was flying on patrol over the Gulf of Tonkin.  He said the whole thing was a lie and N Vietnam never attacked.  The Admiral in charge was George Morrison.    Morrison later redemed himself somewhat in saying Israel intentionally attacked the USS Liberty.  Who's dad was in charge of that one?  Admiral McCain. 

Who was the first navy to come to the aid of the USS Liberty?  The Russians or Soviets.  The US Navy did not get there for a while.

Some speculate Jim Morrison's death had something to do with it.  Jim's Paris apt was in or near the jewish section of Paris.

http://hugequestions.com/Eric/TFC/FromOthers/Death-of-Jim-Morrison.html

Anyway - the Gulf of Tonkin is what really started LBJ's Vietnam War. 

Trivia: Who christened Adm Morrison's ship the USS Bon Homme Richard when it was commissioned/launched?  McCain's grandmother.

 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 03:09 | 4228623 WOAR
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They mocked Stockdale because he couldn't hear...

But Franklin D. Roosevelt couldn't walk, and nobody said jack shit.

I wonder why.

(No, I don't. The answer rhymes with "Wanker Funny")

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:15 | 4228075 NoDebt
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If I've learned anything in my time on this planet it's this:  being right doesn't mean shit.

We can all agree that Ron is right on MANY issues.  Let's see any of it happen, though.

End the Fed?  Good luck.  

Withdrawl troops stationed abroad/end foreign wars?  Never going to happen.

Return to Constitutional principles?  We're running 180* the other way and have been for decades, in case you haven't noticed.

I agree with Ron all the way.... but I know it's never going down like that.  Go ahead and down-arrow the shit out of me, if you feel you must.  I don't count the down arrows anyway (little trick I learned from the BLS).

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:43 | 4228161 OneTinSoldier66
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Right is Might

Might is Right

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:15 | 4228085 razorthin
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Let's just hope my son doesn't piss on all of it.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:22 | 4228098 TheRideNeverEnds
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If only they had listened while we still had a chance.

 

You can't change the channel now.

 

 

 

 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:42 | 4228156 NoDebt
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My comment exactly.  Stated more effectively and in fewer words.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:20 | 4228099 Captain Willard
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What Americans want is sadly irrelevant.

Both Team Red and Team Blue have a flawless record since the Berlin Wall fell of finding new international entanglements. It is just too profitable for the oligarchy to defer to the wish of the People and find peace. Those of my generation can recall the lost, cynical promise of the "Peace Dividend".

We can all argue about immigration, health insurance, budget sequester, gay marriage, pot legalization, blah blah......but the war/surveillance machine is a bi-partisan effort funded by the richest people in the world. It is now a permanent feature of the American landscape, Eisenhower's parting warning nothwithstanding. 

I would fear for any poltician who advocated Dr. Paul's policy and got close enough to power to be taken seriously.

 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:38 | 4228491 r00t61
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"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

- Hermann Goering, April 18, 1945

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:23 | 4228105 OldPhart
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And here I thought the Council on Foreign Relations was the antithesis of Ron Paul.

I'm so confused...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 07:41 | 4228765 yepyep
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they are, this horseshit is using brand association with ron paul to push a globalist "free trade" agenda.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:26 | 4228109 22winmag
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When is this great triumph gonna manifest itself in the real world?

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:29 | 4228120 loveyajimbo
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The military-industrial complex already owns the media and the totally corrupt shitbags in the congress... they own the soldiers, and the chem and nuke weapons ready to be deployed in false flags... they own Buckwheat Obunghole too, who is itching to declare marshall law and end the few outlets reporting on his corruption, incompetence, cowardice and treason.  Ron Paul is a good man... but it is probably too late, we have gone over the cliff... waiting for the impact... soon.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:50 | 4228167 Kirk2NCC1701
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So the choices are: Assimilate/Ignore, Resist, Prepare, or Leave.

BTW, what's happened to McMolotov? He was funny, witty and concisely insightful. Did he leave for Canada, like he talked about?

Seems that some others have left ZH also; e.g., Francis, Otto S, MDB, Krugman. Fonestar seems to be the current champ in attracting responses (with interesting and provocative comments).

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 22:38 | 4228140 akak
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US 'american' Ron Paulism is the future mattering thing, more than just the crustiest bit of the anti-statist thing.

Alas, alas, three times alas, Demoncrats and Rethuglicans just have to bear with it (to the grave).

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:11 | 4228229 linniepar
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Commence project mayhem. 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:13 | 4228236 SonOfSoros
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“The US should mind its own business internationally and let other countries get along the best they can on their own.”

Sure, only because majority of Americans aren't getting their foodstamps, social security and welfare programs. If people really thought that way, Ron Paul would have faired better at the Presidential elections but nope, people were more concerned with getting "free healthcare" courtesy of Obama.


The sentiment hasn't changed, people now are "anti-intervention" on foreign issues but are still very much demanding Uncle Sam to intervene domestically.

 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:25 | 4228257 TahoeBilly2012
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As sheepled as the peeps are, they fear the Ron Paul movement. These people did not come to rule the world without a healthy dose of fear, its what got them there. They seem to very stoic in dealing with it.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:29 | 4228267 brown_hornet
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Project Mayhem...Now you are going back a few years.

http://www.zerohedge.com/blog/2112

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:38 | 4228290 silverserfer
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 start minding our own business, hmm a thats a  joke. start being pro choice at home for starters and then our warmongering conservative base can start to have some creditability. beign up in other peoples business is a conservative core value so far.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:33 | 4228383 SilverFish
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Bullshit.

 

I like Ron Paul just as much as the next guy that believes in liberty and free markets, but the masses are still pretty much asleep for the most part. Sure, they know something is wrong, but they have no idea what the cause is or how to fix it. Ron could run for prez in the next 5 elections, if age permitted, and he would still lose. People dont like hearing the truth about things. They want sleek packaging and a nice smile to go along with the canned answers in debates. The majority of americans are pretty much hypnotized dumbfucks that swoon when you dangle shiny stuff in front of their faces, aside from the small percentage of people that already knew RP was right all along. I don't think that percentage has changed much in the last few years.

 

Things remain pretty much the same. Hunker down, folks. It's gonna get shitty out there fairly soon.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:53 | 4228415 reader2010
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Ron Paul is there for them to believe they still live in a democracy and all they need to do is to keep showing up at elections.

Let me quote Robert E. Lee here:

The march of Providence is so slow, and our desires so impatient; the work of progress is so immense and our means of aiding it so feeble; the life of humanity is so long, that of the individual so brief, that we often see only the ebb of the advancing wave and are thus discouraged. It is history that teaches us to hope.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:31 | 4228867 JoBob
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@reader2010:

Bobby Lee had that right! Think about it before giving a down arrow. 

People look at the tailing aftermath of discomfort and ignore the impact of the coming wave.

Ignore it and it will go away.

The Scarlett O'hara approach to solving problems - "I'll think about that tomorrow!"

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:19 | 4228454 DavidPierre
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Quinn:

The United States of Assassinations has been at war with citizens for over 50 years.  You are not even aware of it.

Your beloved government puppets and their Wall Street puppeteers have used their control of the mainstream media to fully utilize Edward Bernays’ propaganda techniques to convince you of the OffaliCIAl 9/11 story line.

For anyone willing to uncover the facts and think critically about the storyline being presented, an entirely different reality is revealed.

What Really Happened on 9-11?

http://www.whodidit.org/index.html

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:19 | 4228455 NIHILIST CIPHER
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I liked the article til they started asking for money. Got a letter from Glenn Beck last week asking for 1000USD. Went online to buy a birthday gift on Amazon this weekend and there was fukkin tribute to Mandela right there on the homepage, so I shopped somewhere else. It/they all seem so hollow, like a televangalist thumping the bible for money. No real point, just venting.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:00 | 4228525 Oldwood
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I feel the same about most things but unfortunately we see how the game is played and know that money IS the game. We don't want to think that anyone is profitting from our beliefs, but we must also recognize that any message must be marketed through media and that costs big bucks. Watch any of our recent elections and you will see that those who raised the most money, won. True conservatives are so handicapped by our current system it is a miracle ANY ever win. Things will be bleak indeed before conservatives will cough up the winning numbers in cash.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 03:44 | 4228644 zebrasquid
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If Ron Paul only had a granddaughter that thought like he did, and had a booty like Kim K....

Rock that vote!

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 03:53 | 4228651 Loophole
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We can intervene over there, or they will intervene here. One Iranian nuke detonated in an American city will refute the non-interventionists of the left and the right. That's the reality of it. People sticking their heads in the sand aren't going to change that.

Statists here use the threat of Islam as an excuse to turn us into a police state with the TSA, the NSA, and everything else, just as the War on Drugs has been a war by the Right on the Constitution. We should have destroyed the mullah regime in Iran long ago.

Of course, leftists here are fine with the Islamists. They share the same anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-life outlook. Wasn't it the World TRADE Center the Islamists attacked, one of the premier symbols of capitalism in the world? And it wasn't their first effort.

Ron Paul is a slightly radical religious conservative and not really a champion of freedom or the American way. There was a reason Ayn Rand despised libertarians.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 08:31 | 4228808 yepyep
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who gives a fuck what ayn rand despised.

what the fuck are u even talking about.

 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 03:59 | 4228653 fukidontknow
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"We are witnessing the triumph of Ron Paulism in the United States. The corporate media will avoid reporting it."

Lucky for us the good people from Pew Research at the Council on Foreign Relations will report it. 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 06:06 | 4228710 ivars
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Minding own business will reduce influence of international capital and gold. The same will happen with obvious reduction of globalization due to decooperation and hostility of nations as financial crisis cooperation mode disappears. 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 06:12 | 4228712 daemon
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 " The Triumph Of "Ron Paul"-ism "

One year too late .

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 06:30 | 4228720 falak pema
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I don't know about Messiah Ron PAul; but instead of chasing shadows of the past we'd better concentrate on the REALITY of today's corrupt leadership; aka the Corporate Presidency like here :

Obama Faces Backlash Over New Corporate Powers In Secret Trade Deal

Leaked Documents: Obama Administration Seeking Radical New Political Powers For Corporations

Corporate Man down to his toe nails! NSA NSA all the way! 

And, as a bitter sweetner to this line of thought ...who do you think is behind the Japan-China stand off in South China Sea, if it isn't the current US Administration; running from pillar to post from ME Syrian and Libyan botch up to new MIC drum beating in China's back yard?

ZH is right to highlight those rumours! 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 07:31 | 4228757 Oldwood
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Its about aggregation of power. Government can't do it with their bare hands, as that would leave fingerprints too obvious. They must use corporations to do this, but corporations understand that government holds their reins as they only exist through LAW. It is all centralization of power and those who think they can fight corruption by backing one form over another are paving the road to hell.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 07:35 | 4228762 yepyep
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yes definately US needs to mind its own fkn business and contract and quit this empire building war machine bullshit.

 

but what the fuck is with the council on foreign relations globalist propaganda we need to open up international trade bullshit video.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 08:28 | 4228801 Unstable Condition
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Wow, the CFR using Ron Paul to push moar globalization.

Now that's some class A propaganda right there...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 08:46 | 4228819 yepyep
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shit makes me sick, zerohedge obviously cannot be trusted in anyway shape or form.

 

be critical of everything people or you are going to wake up one day as a slave to a world government with a world central bank.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:09 | 4228835 Eugend66
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May God give him many more years ... and don`t forget, Rand IS NOT Ron!

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 11:05 | 4229056 nagano dave
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I wonder why he feels it necessary to use euphemisms for "let 'em die on the sidewalks?"  I wonder why his theories continue to die in the free market place of ideas?  

 

He might be able to help his cause if he could cite a single country/economy success story where they use his libertarian principles.  I don't think small government country/economies like Angola or Somalia would be useful to "prove" his theories.  

 

Austrian School isn't real economics.  It's political and economic philosophy.  There are no free markets.  Without rules, markets don't function.  Ron Paul makes up his non existent theoretical world, to which he ascribes perfection, then compares real life with his theoretical world.  Let's find a real economy running Austrian School and THEN compare.  Until then, AS needs to STFU. 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 11:27 | 4229102 Pareto
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You won't find one ass clown thats the point.  Its true, however, that you say markets don't function without rules.  Find me a functioning market that doesn't have broken rules and government interference written all over it.  The Austrian school is the only school that turns on the only rules that matter - that production and exchange be voluntary and unfettered - that failure is good and that having a central authority robbing from Peter to pay for Paul invokes incentive distortions arising from asinine redistribution policies.

 

QE, price fixing of interest rates destroys capital.  That you do not understand that suggests to me only that you are the one that needs to STFU.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 17:35 | 4230548 Ruger556
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Dave, there is no free market place of ideas. It is controlled by state run media, even Foxnews didn't give RP the coverage.   Ron Paul is not against the use of force, if we are attacked, we go by the constitution, Congress declares war, we don't tie our troops hands behind their back with these ridiculous rules of engagment, we let them blow things up like they are supposed to.  When the threat is thoroughly neutrilzed, bring em home, and let the sorry ass country rebuild itself. 

The greatest growth our nation has seen, in the 1800's was very close to a free market and liberterian principles. There wasn't a large gov't presence, and not many regulations or laws which created barriers for people or small companies to enter an industry. Now, if you wanted to set up shop, you have to spend a lot of money up front due to regulations, so it favors large businesses.   So yes, when we, the US gained the most wealth, we were very close to libertarian principles, once the fed was created in 1913.. well then came the reign of big business, big media and big govt.. and we have had large boom bust cycles ever since.. and these have been created and controlled by the fed and the govt as they try to plan the economy. 

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 15:50 | 4233407 The Laughing Man
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While I agree with Ron Paul on many things, this has always been my point of divergence with him -- the notion that we can simply remove ourselves from the global platform and live in blissful isolation. The last time we adhered to that belief we got ourselves something we like to call World War II.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 16:05 | 4233464 akak
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Ah, the old "isolationist" canard.  It simply never grows old, does it?

You miss the point completely, stuck in your statist mental paradigm.  "We" do NOT need, or desire, to "remove ourselves from the global platform", but simply need to end our offensive and aggressively militaristic interventionism around the world. 

Are you an "isolationist" because you (presumably) do not actively and aggressively interfere in your neighbor's personal lives?  Are the Chinese, or the Germans, or the Russians, or ANYONE else, "isolationist" for not actively pursuing an aggressively militaristic foreign policy?

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 16:31 | 4233571 The Laughing Man
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You miss the point completely, stuck in your statist mental paradigm.  "We" do NOT need, or desire, to "remove ourselves from the global platform", but simply need to end our offensive and aggressively militaristic interventionism around the world.

And therein lies the problem. What you propose is simply not possible. The neverending advancement of technology and communications have seen to that.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 16:38 | 4233601 akak
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You response is a complete non sequitur --- it makes no sense whatsoever.

How does the advancement of technology have anything to do with ending an offensively militaristic and immoral foreign policy of aggression?

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