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South Korea Unveils It's Own Air Defense Zone, Overlapping China's And Japan's

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As fear and nationalism rise in Japan (and Abe's grip on the people founders amid falling approval ratings and underperforming economic indicators such as GDP tonight), so another party has joined the debacle in the East China Sea. As NHK World reports, South Korea has officially announced that it will expand its air defense identification zone, making it partially overlap those of Japan and China. The game of chicken over small islands (and submerged rocks!) in the middle of nowhere continues...

 

 

 

The 'triangle' of doom in the East China Sea...

 

As NHK World notes,

South Korea has officially announced that it will expand its air defense identification zone, making it partially overlap those of Japan and China.

 

South Korea's Defense Ministry said on Sunday that the expansion will go into effect on December 15th.

 

The move comes after China established its air defense zone over a wide area of the East China Sea last month.

 

The zone includes the Senkaku Islands, which are controlled by Japan and claimed by China and Taiwan.

 

Seoul has been demanding that Beijing redraw the zone because it partially overlaps the one set by South Korea and includes a submerged rock called Ieodo claimed by both nations. The Chinese call the rock Suyan.

 

The South Korean Defense Ministry said the expanded zone will also cover 2 small islands whose airspace partially overlaps Japan's defense zone.

 

The ministry said it briefed Japan, the United States and China on the matter beforehand and the 3 countries suggested that the expansion is in line with international rules and is not an excessive measure.

 


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Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:31 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Don't mess with S Korea!

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:42 | Link to Comment UP Forester
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So, does the US protect S Korea or Japanese interests, or go with the country that can tank the USD?

JENGA, BICHEZ!

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:53 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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South Korea, by themselves, could beat the North even if attacked by the Norks first.  They would win, but a grievous cost (starting with a destroyed Seoul of 25,000,000 in the metro area).  But, the South would win. The question then becomes: "What would China do?"

My guess is that there will be no general war in East Asia, but my guesses are often wrong as many of you already know.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:45 | Link to Comment PhilB
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I feel safe knowing the Obama has pivoted to Asia early thus securing the status quo in the region while moving towards a strategic resolution of the long standing unresolved claims. <Deer in Headlights>

As for war, folks Asia went to war with Abenomics. If you havent figured out that Japan and China are at economic war with each other (and consequently South Korea), then you have been missing the prelude to this tension and fail to understnad why it must intensify. 

China has referred to the Cold War specifically, and we know that the US fought mainly an economic war with Russia instead of an outright military one. With US and European consumer consumption permanently altered, Japan and China can nolonger mutually prosper with their current economic systems. Someone has to eat the other guy's lunch.

 The Geniuses (Genii) at the helms have suceeded in bringing us the real and overhanging threats of The Great Depression, the 70's stagflation, Japanese Zombification, and the revival of the Cold War all at once.

WTF folks?? This is our future? If any one of these materialize for any lengthy period of time it will be horrible. If we get a confluence of all 4, we will waste a generation just trying to untangle the mess before we can even start fixing it.

 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:54 | Link to Comment Colonel
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+1

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:30 | Link to Comment SilverIsKing
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I think there's only one man who can bring all of these countries together to work out an agreement that is satisfactory to all parties.

His name.............................Dennis "The Worm" Rodman

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:00 | Link to Comment Manthong
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The fun will start when NORTH Korea expands its ADIZ.

Don't fly any EC-121's in that area.

For some reason that little "incident" with 31 American deaths was not as important as the Pueblo or Liberty.

 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:24 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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Boris is predict hot spot is Ieodo. Is popcorn and soda drink ready?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 04:59 | Link to Comment Eeyores Enigma
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This whole thing is such a fitting analogy for where the world is at this moment.

Not more slices of the pie but multiple claims on the same slice of pie.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 06:20 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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Yes, I was just looking at 'their' map and can clearly see that they've crossed a few of my lines.

Someone hand me a marker...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:34 | Link to Comment petolo
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A red one, Ignatius?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 07:42 | Link to Comment JoBob
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They have COMEX'ed the ADIZs!

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:24 | Link to Comment MSimon
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Ron Paul knows what to do. Let them nuke each other. We can stay out of it.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 04:29 | Link to Comment fonestar
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"I think there's only one man who can bring all of these countries together to work out an agreement that is satisfactory to all parties."

 

I wholeheartedly agree with you SilverIsKing.  The world has been divided for far too long by elite oligarchs that play on people's differences in order to divide and conquer and thus cement their rule.  Part of this inequity is the biproduct of unfair trade sanctions, currency manipulation, taxes, tariffs and worse still.  I once didn't believe that there was a better way, a more fair and just way for the world to work.  Then I accepted Satoshi Nakamoto into my life and into my heart.  It is truly inspiring to see the way one anonymous genius can change our world for the better and he is a role model to all.  It is my hope that you too will download his QT client and begin to spread the word to your own friends and relatives that we need no longer languish in fiat bondage.  Satoshi has coded a better world for all of us to share together.  While many of us have enjoyed undue privilige under the legacy system, more still have suffered bitter repression and poverty.  This holiday season, give the gift of hope to those in other nations, give the gift of freedom, give the effervescent gift of Bitcoin.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 04:36 | Link to Comment akak
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L. Ron would be proud of you.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 04:41 | Link to Comment fonestar
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Ron Paul?  He wrote that book on Dianetics didn't he?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 04:54 | Link to Comment akak
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Mon, 12/09/2013 - 10:22 | Link to Comment TeamDepends
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kak, it is best to stay away from this guy.  By his own admission, he worships an "anonymous genius".

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 10:56 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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I'm beginning to think that Fonestar is a "Meeliondollarbonus-type" sarcasm-troll.  Nobody could sincerely be this ridiculous. 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 12:01 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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akak, it's hilarious that you mention that...  literally in the first few pages of his alleged master work, he's begging the readers to tell everyone they know to go and buy the book...  it was as far as I could read (thankfully he put that shit in the front so I could leave the POS in the store).  This process coincides nicely with my general theory that good products sell themselves, bad products require salesmen, and terrible products require a conjuring of demand...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:57 | Link to Comment Carpenter1
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So, keep those JPY shorts in place with a few long options just in case. Great analysis, but missing one ingredient. Japan is playing the straight forward debase the currency game, while China is trying to play that game and simultaneously garner global recognition of and respect for its renmimbi. There must be a whole lot of stressed, anxiety ridden Chinese economists in government right now. Just like our politicians are now learning, you can't have your cake and eat it too boys. Choose your prize and go after it, forget the other prizes, someone else is dedicating everything to those.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:47 | Link to Comment TheReplacement
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If they all go at it and literally kill everyone over there (important distinction) then how exactly does that hurt us?  Besides cheap plastic crap and weird asian porn what will we miss? 

If we are smart, we sell them guns all day long and get our friggin' gold back. 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:52 | Link to Comment ronaldawg
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Wait.... There is weird Asian porn?   Where.????

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:53 | Link to Comment Seer
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WTF does Noth Korea have to do with this?

Is this some subliminal attack on NK? (no, I'm not defending NK, it's just that I find your comment totally off the radar)

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 07:03 | Link to Comment Apostate2
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I have posted elsewhere, there will be no war.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:27 | Link to Comment MSimon
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Peace for our time if we stay out of it. Ron Paul told me so.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:02 | Link to Comment Seer
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That's the question that came to mind when I'd read the heading.  I thought: "Boy, this is really going to complicate things for the US."

I'd figured that Japan's state secrets law was to aid in joint military action with the US (against China).  It appears that SK has thrown a wrench into things; unless, that is, there's a signficant concern with NK supporting China (in which case I appologize to DoChen for my remark made below), and that it'll be Japan+SK+US pushing back against China.

"Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world." - George Washington

There's a good reason for slippery slopes being called that...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 05:56 | Link to Comment Squid-puppets a...
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all sk is doing is expanding airspace to provide support to japanese units 'in the event'. So they can claim to be only taking 'defensive action' when its clear to all that they are sticking their big noses in

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:43 | Link to Comment Rory_Breaker
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What are they planning to do about subs?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:03 | Link to Comment Seer
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Only going with the primary players...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:13 | Link to Comment Uber Vandal
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All we are missing is an Arch-Duke somewhere to really get this going.

Federal Reserve 100 year Bday this year.

WW1 100 year Bday next year.

Imagine that.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:16 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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Start the countdown for WWIII..... If we can't get it going in the Middle East with Iran et. al. (despite multiple attempts) we may be going for an Asian war.  Only problem is that the US has no long term prodictive capacity without stuff produced in China.... it's a real bitch when you can't build any more cruise missles because of some 79 cent part you can't get from China.... Hell, China might welcome a conflict - put all those single males to some use and whittle the population down.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:50 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Don't forget that both SK and Japan are proxies for the Fed and our MIC.

The sabre-rattling on our side is designed to elicit INFO and Capabilities of China's military. You don't just "Go Rambo" on them, w/o knowing what they're really capable of.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:03 | Link to Comment Seer
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The other thing is to continue to paint "China, Bad!"  You know, those commie bastards who fucked up the US by helping fund it's bad behaviors!

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:33 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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No worries. South Korean males will make the seamless transition from Starcraft to aircraft.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:20 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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Starcraft 1 or 2? We need to know!

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:03 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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Starcraft 1 of course. I saw video clips of 2 and it was all flashy and stuff - not to my taste. Starcraft 1 and the Tony Hawk Pro Skater games was the last time I played video games. Nowadays the market looks dominated by first-person killing... *sigh*

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:28 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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Double!

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:55 | Link to Comment Zero Debt
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How about a nice game of DEFCON, Professor Falken?

http://www.introversion.co.uk/defcon/

 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:32 | Link to Comment HoofHearted
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As WB7 might say, "Jump, fuckers."

Probably more sabre rattling and nobody has the "giant American penis" to really be bastards about all of this. But then again, maybe Kyle Bass will be proven right...

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:34 | Link to Comment Theta_Burn
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Imagine the fun if a viable oil or gas find is made

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:39 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Watch out for the 3-D laser maids.  They are a bitch.  Sorry, S. Korea.  You lost your credibility a few decades ago when you sucked on American cock and liked it.  You remember that whole thing about how we'll protect you?  We'll "we" was bankers.  And they fucking lie.  Got some shit they want?  They're coming.  

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:48 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Koreans do not like us all that much.  Some do, some don't.  It's hard to generalize as I only went once and know just a few.

But, what that country has accomplished, more-or-less on its own since the Korean War, is simply amazing.  ALL of the city of Seoul has free wifi, even outside.  Nice metro.  Supermodern bearing factories. And the men all know Tae Kwon Do.  They average some 4" taller than Nork men...

S Korea could defeat N Korea on their own.  True!  But, their capital of Seoul would be destroyed as it is within artillery range of the Norks, and the Norks have a lot of artillery.  S Korea would win, but at huge cost.

Better for S Korea to wait until the Norks collapse, and then work out a deal with China.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:50 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Thanks for the insight as always.

Interesting how the asian nations are starting to be relevant again, other than as a source of cheap labor/trading partners.  It's hard for all of us to think beyond our own experience.  

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:53 | Link to Comment Colonel
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"Better for S Korea to wait until the Norks collapse..."

Like we did with the Soviets. Eventually leftards collapse economically. It's too bad nations have to wait until leftardism is again proven a failure.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:33 | Link to Comment Jam Akin
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You are certainly on the right track in your comments DoChen.  The country has built an amazing society out of nothing but sheer hard effort since the Korean war.  I'd like to add that Koreans are very hard working people, very resilient and at the same time have a fairly violent cuture - proud descendents of the Mongols many of them will tell you.  When you drive around the country it is amazing to an American with military training to see how extensive the preparations for conflict are all over the country - preplanned barricades, highways prepped to use as air strips, etc etc etc.

My wife is Korean (who disagrees with my violent culture observation and is a sweetheart yet I told my son if he ever gets into the military he will have no tougher drill sergeant than his Umma).  I go to Korea often enough on business.  On one trip went for a stroll in the park across from the Seoul Hilton where one guy was beating another over the head with a 2 x 4 near some gaming tables with a crowd gathered to watch.  

Those who made the observation that Korea and Japan are in direct economic competition are right on the money.  Korean economy benefitted greatly after the big 2011 earthquake in Japan and now the shoe is firmly on the other foot with Abe-nomics and this  must be reversed in the Korean view.  The relatively strong won has put a lot of pressure on Korean exports this year compared with Japan.  

Another factor to keep in mind is that Koreans (my wife told me this) at least in earlier generations were/are specifically indoctrinated in the schools about the history of the Japanese occupation.  There is a strong anti-Japan feeling in Korea as in China.    

Many Koreans in past held to a conspiracy theory that the US military was actually running their country.  Given all the crap the CIA was working during the Cold War and the large US militry force there, probably had a good bit of truth to it.  This is a source of some of the resentment you described.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:42 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Jam, all your observations match my own, only you know the place better.  YES, the ones I dealt with are hard workin' mofos -- 60 hours + per week (export guys).

Yes, Korea and Japan are direct competitors in many industries (inc. of course bearings).  The Koreans are suffering at least some from the lower Japanese Yen.

Yes again re disliking the Japanese.  My feeling was that the Koreans trust the Chinese more.  How that works is beyond me.  I do not know the Korean mind-set and USED to know only four words in Korean, LOL (it is a hard language).

Also, the US Army's presence has occasionally added to frictions, whenever a Korean girl is hassled or worse by one of our soldiers...

***

I hope your wife makes some Korean food (mmm, yum...) for you from time-to-time..., but don't get fat!

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 13:35 | Link to Comment Jam Akin
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Thanks DoChen. My wife was trained at cooking school in Korea. Food is excellent at our place and fortunately it is not easy to get fat on a traditional Korean diet.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:47 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Man these people are heavily amped up history of being fighters.  Koreans - Mongols. Japanese - Ninjas, Samuris and ShoGuns. 

Not sure what bad ass thing the Chinese did but I think they invented gunpowder and pizza or spaghetti.  China supposedly did not have a warrior class but the Samuri code came from China.

They can all kick ass in Tae Kwon Do, Kung Fu, and other types of fighting. 

They all have fought each other before.   Somebody is looking to start a war and it is probably The AL See Eye AAA Duh.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 04:56 | Link to Comment ebear
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Genki Sudo will kick all their asses!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNqQTR_koCg

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 07:34 | Link to Comment Serenity Now
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Jam Akin,

Japan and South Korea are totally in direct competition with one another.  When I lived in Japan and traveled to Korea, I realized that "free trade" was a lie.  There are no American cars in Japan or SK.  Maybe a BMW or Mercedes here and there. But in Japan, it's 99% Japanese cars.  In SK, it's 99% SK cars.  

And they both hate China.  

Anyway, that was just my observation a few years ago.  I don't live in Japan now.  So, I might be wrong.  But I doubt it.  ;)

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 13:47 | Link to Comment Jam Akin
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You are right SN. And it goes beyond what one might think at a basic level in some ways. For example import duties for protected products are very high which permits domestic producers to subsidize their export competitiveness with high domestic profit margins.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:06 | Link to Comment Seer
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"Koreans do not like us all that much."

It's never that at the people level that's the issue.  It's TPTB club, and those at the top of the food chain there ARE members.  It's not people-vs-people, it's TPTB-vs-people.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 07:23 | Link to Comment Serenity Now
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My experience was that Korea is way more Americanized than Japan.  They speak English more often, wear bright colored sportswear like Americans (you never see that in Japan), and have a more "friendly" attitude (I mean that as being less stoic than the Japanese).  That's an observation, not a judgment.

When I lived in Japan and visited Korea in 2006-2008, I found that they both liked Americans and were very friendly to me.  In fact, they were far more interested in which of the two countries I preferred!  They don't like each other.  

Anyway, that's not the point.  I love both South Korea and Japan.  South Korea is the quintessential example of freedom vs. North Korea and their example of oppression and non-freedom.  SK might be a little smoggy, but Seoul is a first world city, whereas the people of NK routinely eat bark.

The sad fact of NK is that neither China nor SK wants to deal with the NK starving people.  They don't want the refugees.  I've been to the border of SK and NK, and it's pretty startling for an American.  You are in total modernity in SK, and then you reach a border into a wasteland.  I've been to the DMZ.  I've been in one of the tunnels.  Yes, Seoul is very close to the NK border, which is very dangerous.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:37 | Link to Comment Josh Randall
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Outstanding - a Global Game of risk has broken out - starring Kramer and Newman as the Masterminds

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:11 | Link to Comment akak
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Blobbing-up: it's not just for dim sum anymore.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:24 | Link to Comment UP Forester
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WTF happened to AnAnonymous?  Died of rung infection due to porruted air?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:41 | Link to Comment akak
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I think he finally drowned in the rising sea of his own tired and stale anti-American propaganda bits.

Make me laugh.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:10 | Link to Comment Seer
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Actually, maybe that's the SIGN that he was trying to give us?  Rather, his ABSENCE signals that things in China are deteriorating (can't fund him anymore)?  If China goes into the shitter then the whole game is off/over: China has been used to prop things up.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 10:00 | Link to Comment Zero Debt
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Not easy to bike to work in Shanghai these days. He must have been hit by a truck in the smog.

Probably one of those trucks shipping crappisms to American citizens.

 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 07:55 | Link to Comment Vice
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The Ukraine is weak. It is feeble! 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 16:34 | Link to Comment akak
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Who say Ukraine weak?  Ukraine not weak!  BAM!!

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:18 | Link to Comment bingo was his name
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First to county to radiate wins

 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:38 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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Waiting for Taiwan to announce its own overlapping air defense zone.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:46 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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they could ask for a chance to speak before the General Assembly. As i've said before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32iCWzpDpKs

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 10:24 | Link to Comment BandGap
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SK, Japan, Taiwan, Viet Nam, India, Afghanistan. China is surrounded by countries itching to take them out, all for various reasons.

Russia is going to remain neutral.

Cage match. 

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:42 | Link to Comment Hubbs
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Shades of the Falklands.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:10 | Link to Comment Seer
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If we're lucky...  Hamburger Hill if not...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:53 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Nobody knew, at the time,  that the Falklands has supposedly about 80 billion barrels of oil in the waters around the islands.  The UK knew and Argentina probably knew as well. 

I wonder how much oil is off those islands in Asia.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:51 | Link to Comment Freddie
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LOL!  If you want hatred, racism and thousands of years old blood feuds - these people are hard to beat.   I am talking all three countries.   They take this shit seriously.  Loads of scores to settle.  They make white folk look like pikers.

How does SK air defense zone extend over the DMZ into NK?  How does that work?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:02 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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I can verify that the South Koreans do not like the Japanese, I am sure it is true in the North as well.

The Japanese don't like just about ANYBODY else, true.

And the Chinese?  ALL the different "Chinese" (many languages and cultures, they are NOT a monolith) think THEY are the best.

(Of course the above is over-generalized, but still true)

***

Re ADZ over NK, that of course is rhetoric.  Lots of that over there as well.

***

Freddie, did you ever see that pair of photos showing (left photo) Kim Jong Un peering through his binocs, and (right photo) Chuck Norris crossinga river with his rifle?  To die for, I regret I have no easy way to find that pair of photos/joke, priceless.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:22 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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NO ONE will ever credibly tell me that ZH-ers aren't some of the brightest and quickest bulbs on the planet!

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:25 | Link to Comment Freddie
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LOL!   Just for the record - I do not dislike all these people in Asia.  It is just that they are like the Hatfields and McCoys on steroids with Ninja swords and shit.   I wish I knew more of Asia's history but it goes back how far? A good 4,000 years or more.  Even the Cliff Notes would take a lifetime.  How many dynasties in China before my eyes would glaze over.

The US MIC was trying to get SK to buy weapons to defend against NK.  The SK's only wanted to buy weapons to start a war and defend themselves from Japan. 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 03:28 | Link to Comment Dr. Bonzo
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Nah, not even. Here are the main themes that run through all Asian histories...

-- theyr'e all peace-loving victims of someone else's brutal naked unprovoked aggression.

-- all your own historical records always prove this. When someone else's historical records disprove yours, theyr'e lying and they're records are fake. You never lie. "They" always do.

-- Your government has always been benevolent and deeply, deeply concerned about the well-being of its people. Accordingly, you never, ever, ever, need to question your government, or stand up to it, or perish the thought--overthrow it. Confucius say so.

There you go. Asian History Cliff Notes. The whos, hows, whens etcetera of all those tens of millions of mutilated corpses spanning the millenia... footnotes.

Glad to be of service.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 04:35 | Link to Comment Colonel
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Look at all the Kung Fu movies they have. The only way to deal with them is with a big can of whup ass. Forgive and forget is a Western/Christian concept. It doesn't even apply with them.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 03:04 | Link to Comment ConfederateH
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"NO ONE will ever credibly tell me that ZH-ers aren't some of the brightest and quickest bulbs on the planet!"

What about you pals over at Fofoa, and Fofoa in particular?  They seem to think ZH is little better than hangout for ingoramuses.

 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:24 | Link to Comment Son of Loki
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Nearly 80 percent of South Koreans have a negative impression of Japan, while about 40 percent of Japanese have an unfavorable image of South Korea, according to the results of a bilateral poll released Tuesday.

 

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/05/08/national/bad-feelings-domina...

 

Both countries are super beautiful but SK does not have the radiation saturation so I would prefer to live there.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:28 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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S Korea has better food too.

(That ought to start a fight, hah!)

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:26 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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I side with the garlic eaters! You know who that is ;)

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 07:28 | Link to Comment mvsjcl
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The Italians?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:35 | Link to Comment Itgoestoeleven
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well that leaves me out

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:17 | Link to Comment chump666
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old wounds...never knew the region had such complex dysfunctions

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-19/s-korea-criticizes-japan-over-r...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 11:43 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I would imagine they have a long memory and the collective memory makes sure people remember both the both Sino-Japanese Wars and being under Japanese rule from 1910 to 1945.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:20 | Link to Comment Seer
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"They make white folk look like pikers."

Perhaps on a daily basis, but...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pONZTOvx9iY/TlNGH6_UutI/AAAAAAAAAM4/XfFApqKU5n...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhK65Ac0nyg

And I suppose I could point out what the Nazi did... (and, well, if you've been over to Europe you know that all that shit is still there, waiting to come out of the cracks)

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:28 | Link to Comment Freddie
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No I agree.  I guess the point was this has been going on in Asia for a lot longer than Europe. 

I think a lot of Europeans get on okay today but you are right that it can change very quickly.

I was not dissing Asians just that this stuff has been going on for many centuries in Asia.  It seems like the Japanese have created a lot more enemies.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 03:16 | Link to Comment Seer
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OK, thanks for clarifying, Freddie.

It's about competition, struggles for resources.  And since ALL wars are about resources memory tends to readily conjure up past wars (which is why militarism is so fucking tough to kick).

But, to be complete here, there's a LOT of mixing in Asia.  No place is as "pure" as many might think/claim.  I suspect it's more about nationalism shit (TPTB playing their "teams").

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 10:26 | Link to Comment BandGap
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Don't forget Viet Nam, who went to war with China in the late 70s/early 80s. The Vietnamese do not like the Chinese at all.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:48 | Link to Comment Big Brother
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Wow... it looks to me like that "leodo" rock is going to be really well defended.  

Just playin' devils advocate here, but what if the US went in with one of its F22s and tomahawk'ed the shit out of that rock (like they did with that tree on the north-south border of Korea); and reminded S-Korea, China, and Japan who defends the sea lanes of the world.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:22 | Link to Comment Seer
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You might have something there!

Maybe the rock could be totally obliterated.  What's to fight over then?

(OK, the "prize" is really stuff that's to be found under the sea floor, but it kind of sounded like a keen diplomatic solution)

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:49 | Link to Comment wisehiney
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Frere Jong-un, Frere Jong-un, dor-mez vous? dor-mez vous?

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:58 | Link to Comment seek
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Sucks to be a pilot in that area -- three different controlling authorities claimed.

Long transponders.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:30 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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"Three gets you five" most pilots there speak passable Engrish...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:26 | Link to Comment Seer
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But isn't it China that's the real concern here?  Maybe Jim Rogers will have a new gig (cockpit translator- Mandarin/English)?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 05:57 | Link to Comment Mitzibitzi
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Nearly all of them, I imagine. You're not allowed in controlled airspace (except in your own territory) unless you speak enough English to respond to ATC messages; it's the international aviation language. Even the French and Russians (traditionally the most resistent to using any language other than their own in official comms) teach their people enough English to get by.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 12:04 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I thought it was mandatory that all pilots for commercial airlines have to speak english as a primary or secondary language? My understanding is that English is the language universally used for planes in foreign airspace to communicate with the local air traffic controllers globally.

Sun, 12/08/2013 - 23:57 | Link to Comment OwnSilverPlayMusic
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Talk about going into a gunfight with nothing but your pud in your hand

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 03:21 | Link to Comment Seer
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In the Marines they tought me that my rifle is for fighting and my "gun" is for fun...  So, if they're going to a gunfight then a pud in the hand is appropriate...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:02 | Link to Comment Make_Mine_A_Double
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Another diplomatic and strategic triumph for Joe 'Shit 4 Brains' Biden.

Between him and Kerry they have screwed the pooch and been wrong on every - every god damn one - historic decision for last 50 years.

In fact with Biden just there to unbalance an unbalanced situation I'd say war is probably inevitable.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:21 | Link to Comment atm0sphere
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I think you think Biden is more powerful than he really is.

Long Heinz.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:27 | Link to Comment Seer
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False dichotomy.

"Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world." - George Washington

The US has NO business being fucking anywhere other than in the US.  Only party pussies don't get this.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:45 | Link to Comment MSimon
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"Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world." - George Washington

 

As long as the British Navy guards the sea lanes or we have enough money to pay tribute.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:04 | Link to Comment vincent
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Some quality misdirection...

I wonder what else is going on

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:30 | Link to Comment Seer
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Yeah, but that banking shit is just boring, no murders, no bombs, nothing... (except rape of "those people")

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 10:01 | Link to Comment Zero Debt
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What's wrong, still got a few trillion to print

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:07 | Link to Comment Bunga Bunga
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... and then North Korea, and then Russia, and then United States, and then get the fuck out of there as quick as you can.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:07 | Link to Comment pragmatic hobo
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of course, south korean military wouldn't even fart without the permission of usa ...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:12 | Link to Comment vincent
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I get the impression EU and US are working to keep Russia 'focused' on the current "skirmishes" amongst the satellites.

Let's not forget Iran and Syria either.

I'll be watching these developments

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:33 | Link to Comment Seer
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Yes, keep your eye on the ball...  It's ALWAYS been about Russia.  Recall that it was Nixon travelling to China, not Russia (then U.S.S.R.).  China is just being used (and the poor folks there think it's really about Them).

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:18 | Link to Comment Son of Loki
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My Air Defense Zone extends out from my Bedroom to the Kitchen and Living room and overlaps my wife's zone (the Bathroom)...and that's about it.

 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:36 | Link to Comment Seer
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Here's my Air Defencse System (my LGD):

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5338/9526246746_483a7dc999_b_d.jpg (I think that you have to download for the pic- sorry)

It's never been defeated.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:19 | Link to Comment Make_Mine_A_Double
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From Global Policeman to Global Arsonist - Murika! Fuck Yeah!

Maybe the WalMart untermenschen knew this was last call for cheap flat screens?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:23 | Link to Comment jonjon831983
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Hmmm who supplies the bulk of military materiel and support for these three countries that "encircle" China?

I doubt anything will really happen, but the positioning allows for greater optionality for the proper opportunity.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:38 | Link to Comment Seer
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And often times it's about providing cover for increasing control over one's own populace...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:25 | Link to Comment QQQBall
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North Korea's Air Zone will be drawn with crayons

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:29 | Link to Comment nomorebuyins
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No, they ate them.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:34 | Link to Comment jonjon831983
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If KJU is truly in power then yea, he'll make noise, but won't bother team USA.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/19/world/asia/kim-jong-un-profile/

 

Needs his BBall fix.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:41 | Link to Comment Seer
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And it really does make all the ruckus over their "nuke" ambitions look pretty silly.  All an Edward Bernays approach to stiffing the US populace for more "defense" dollars...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:31 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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the dishonor is infinate.  

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:37 | Link to Comment hmmmstrange
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Can anyone declare an air defense zone? If so, I declare my own air defense zone over those sunken rocks. I'll get back to you on the terms of the zone once I get a boat and my sling shot dialed in.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:41 | Link to Comment ltsgt1
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This is what happen when the US lead from behind. When the world police is weak and timid, the little rascals will play.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:47 | Link to Comment nomorebuyins
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Just an excuse to invade the Philippines.

 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:43 | Link to Comment Seer
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Some of the best peoples to ever inhabit this planet.  And others continue to fuck them up.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 04:43 | Link to Comment Colonel
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No they're not. Parasites and criminals is all most of them are. Kipling had them pegged. Also very leftist, so no surprise.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 10:15 | Link to Comment Seer
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Clearly you're a pile of shit.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:50 | Link to Comment nomorebuyins
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Pinoy power will destroy the Chinese!

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:47 | Link to Comment Seer
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The Chinese could only benefit from being exposed to Pinays.  I know I have, I married one (Filipina).

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 04:43 | Link to Comment Colonel
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Sorry to hear that.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 10:15 | Link to Comment Seer
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Fucking piker, pussy. (and I don't even have to bother down-voting you- everyone else sufficiently smells your stink)

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 00:50 | Link to Comment chump666
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Awaiting China's play now. 

Popcorn time

WTF was that a-hole Biden doing?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:05 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Biden?  Perhaps he's pulling his plug now...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:01 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Someone's gonna get that god damn oil. I'm glad there isn't any under my house.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:49 | Link to Comment Seer
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And the "winner" gets to become more addicted to it!

If ever there was an apt example of "insanity"...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 04:08 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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Post of the day, dood.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:07 | Link to Comment magnetic_silver...
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Whatever happened to the Delta-Quadrant and the Neutral zone?

 

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:17 | Link to Comment Beam Me Up Scotty
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Nice tit. Can we see the other one?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:23 | Link to Comment magnetic_silver...
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Yeah, put it photoshop and use the flip image function. They're nice feeling and naturally symmetrical.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 03:12 | Link to Comment Seer
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Titcoin! :-)

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 07:41 | Link to Comment negative rates
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How much is the bra?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 10:32 | Link to Comment RaceToTheBottom
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Looks like some serious high tensile steel there.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:24 | Link to Comment magnetic_silver...
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Kirk always got the ladies anyways.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:10 | Link to Comment TahoeBilly2012
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It's depopulation time. The earth has peaked, time for reversion to the mean. In a sense, we make actually be reaching that lemming point.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:39 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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If by stating "lemming point" you mean the herded hoards being pushed over a cliff by a metaphoric rotating platform, owned by an evil corporate entity, then I thoroughly agree with you.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:49 | Link to Comment Seer
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In my best Valley Girl voice: "Well, duh!" :-)

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:23 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Probably the massive rise of China in the last two decades has scared the hell out of all neighboring nations. China has it's hands full at home, they hardly need a war. Korea has no use for any war. Japan neither. The USA on the other hand and NATO? I would say , yes, war is a huge attraction to them to try and stop their huge decline and that decline is ongoing.

Imagine folks, just a few weeks ago Obama and NATO were inches from launching a war on Syria. Only Putin by his quick actions stopped it and saved the insane war mongering NATO alliance from a fatal error. Mark my word, had the USA tried to do to Syria what it had done to Libya then it would have been game on, the Russians and Chinese whould have helped Syria and have moved with lighting speed to reinforce Iran.

Face it, the days of Iraq and Libyan Turkey shoots are over. Putin called Obama is his hide out lair in the White House bunker and told him, "times have changed". "You are not the world community, you are a bankrupt money printer with your bankrupt pals at NATO, printing money and making threats."

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:57 | Link to Comment Seer
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Jack, check these out:

http://breakingenergy.com/2013/04/26/china-to-remain-free-rider-on-us-le...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/spratly-ship.htm

The first one suggests that China might be seeing a need to step up as enforcer of oil shipping.  Japan, I'd think, is getting all sorts of nervous, as it relies on the US's military to do this job; and, Japan is teetering on becoming China's bitch, and, well, that Nanking thing and all...

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 09:35 | Link to Comment kurt
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sometimes you wear lair du temps, but not today.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 01:32 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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It's shit or get off the pot time for the old U.S.S.A.

Cheap T.V.'s and smart phones or our Allies.

Which is it pussy's in the N.S.A. and .gov?

Which is it mother fucker's?

Who will you sell out?

You already sold me.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 02:59 | Link to Comment Seer
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False dichotomy.

"Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world." - George Washington

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