South Korea Unveils It's Own Air Defense Zone, Overlapping China's And Japan's

Tyler Durden's picture

As fear and nationalism rise in Japan (and Abe's grip on the people founders amid falling approval ratings and underperforming economic indicators such as GDP tonight), so another party has joined the debacle in the East China Sea. As NHK World reports, South Korea has officially announced that it will expand its air defense identification zone, making it partially overlap those of Japan and China. The game of chicken over small islands (and submerged rocks!) in the middle of nowhere continues...




The 'triangle' of doom in the East China Sea...


As NHK World notes,

South Korea has officially announced that it will expand its air defense identification zone, making it partially overlap those of Japan and China.


South Korea's Defense Ministry said on Sunday that the expansion will go into effect on December 15th.


The move comes after China established its air defense zone over a wide area of the East China Sea last month.


The zone includes the Senkaku Islands, which are controlled by Japan and claimed by China and Taiwan.


Seoul has been demanding that Beijing redraw the zone because it partially overlaps the one set by South Korea and includes a submerged rock called Ieodo claimed by both nations. The Chinese call the rock Suyan.


The South Korean Defense Ministry said the expanded zone will also cover 2 small islands whose airspace partially overlaps Japan's defense zone.


The ministry said it briefed Japan, the United States and China on the matter beforehand and the 3 countries suggested that the expansion is in line with international rules and is not an excessive measure.

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DoChenRollingBearing's picture

Don't mess with S Korea!

UP Forester's picture

So, does the US protect S Korea or Japanese interests, or go with the country that can tank the USD?


DoChenRollingBearing's picture

South Korea, by themselves, could beat the North even if attacked by the Norks first.  They would win, but a grievous cost (starting with a destroyed Seoul of 25,000,000 in the metro area).  But, the South would win. The question then becomes: "What would China do?"

My guess is that there will be no general war in East Asia, but my guesses are often wrong as many of you already know.

PhilB's picture

I feel safe knowing the Obama has pivoted to Asia early thus securing the status quo in the region while moving towards a strategic resolution of the long standing unresolved claims. <Deer in Headlights>

As for war, folks Asia went to war with Abenomics. If you havent figured out that Japan and China are at economic war with each other (and consequently South Korea), then you have been missing the prelude to this tension and fail to understnad why it must intensify. 

China has referred to the Cold War specifically, and we know that the US fought mainly an economic war with Russia instead of an outright military one. With US and European consumer consumption permanently altered, Japan and China can nolonger mutually prosper with their current economic systems. Someone has to eat the other guy's lunch.

 The Geniuses (Genii) at the helms have suceeded in bringing us the real and overhanging threats of The Great Depression, the 70's stagflation, Japanese Zombification, and the revival of the Cold War all at once.

WTF folks?? This is our future? If any one of these materialize for any lengthy period of time it will be horrible. If we get a confluence of all 4, we will waste a generation just trying to untangle the mess before we can even start fixing it.


SilverIsKing's picture

I think there's only one man who can bring all of these countries together to work out an agreement that is satisfactory to all parties.

His name.............................Dennis "The Worm" Rodman

Manthong's picture

The fun will start when NORTH Korea expands its ADIZ.

Don't fly any EC-121's in that area.

For some reason that little "incident" with 31 American deaths was not as important as the Pueblo or Liberty.


Boris Alatovkrap's picture

Boris is predict hot spot is Ieodo. Is popcorn and soda drink ready?

Eeyores Enigma's picture

This whole thing is such a fitting analogy for where the world is at this moment.

Not more slices of the pie but multiple claims on the same slice of pie.

Ignatius's picture

Yes, I was just looking at 'their' map and can clearly see that they've crossed a few of my lines.

Someone hand me a marker...

JoBob's picture

They have COMEX'ed the ADIZs!

MSimon's picture

Ron Paul knows what to do. Let them nuke each other. We can stay out of it.

fonestar's picture

"I think there's only one man who can bring all of these countries together to work out an agreement that is satisfactory to all parties."


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akak's picture

L. Ron would be proud of you.

fonestar's picture

Ron Paul?  He wrote that book on Dianetics didn't he?

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TeamDepends's picture

kak, it is best to stay away from this guy.  By his own admission, he worships an "anonymous genius".

Citxmech's picture

I'm beginning to think that Fonestar is a "Meeliondollarbonus-type" sarcasm-troll.  Nobody could sincerely be this ridiculous. 

MachoMan's picture

akak, it's hilarious that you mention that...  literally in the first few pages of his alleged master work, he's begging the readers to tell everyone they know to go and buy the book...  it was as far as I could read (thankfully he put that shit in the front so I could leave the POS in the store).  This process coincides nicely with my general theory that good products sell themselves, bad products require salesmen, and terrible products require a conjuring of demand...

Carpenter1's picture

So, keep those JPY shorts in place with a few long options just in case. Great analysis, but missing one ingredient. Japan is playing the straight forward debase the currency game, while China is trying to play that game and simultaneously garner global recognition of and respect for its renmimbi. There must be a whole lot of stressed, anxiety ridden Chinese economists in government right now. Just like our politicians are now learning, you can't have your cake and eat it too boys. Choose your prize and go after it, forget the other prizes, someone else is dedicating everything to those.

TheReplacement's picture

If they all go at it and literally kill everyone over there (important distinction) then how exactly does that hurt us?  Besides cheap plastic crap and weird asian porn what will we miss? 

If we are smart, we sell them guns all day long and get our friggin' gold back. 

ronaldawg's picture

Wait.... There is weird Asian porn?   Where.????

Seer's picture

WTF does Noth Korea have to do with this?

Is this some subliminal attack on NK? (no, I'm not defending NK, it's just that I find your comment totally off the radar)

Apostate2's picture

I have posted elsewhere, there will be no war.

MSimon's picture

Peace for our time if we stay out of it. Ron Paul told me so.

Seer's picture

That's the question that came to mind when I'd read the heading.  I thought: "Boy, this is really going to complicate things for the US."

I'd figured that Japan's state secrets law was to aid in joint military action with the US (against China).  It appears that SK has thrown a wrench into things; unless, that is, there's a signficant concern with NK supporting China (in which case I appologize to DoChen for my remark made below), and that it'll be Japan+SK+US pushing back against China.

"Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world." - George Washington

There's a good reason for slippery slopes being called that...

Squid-puppets a-go-go's picture

all sk is doing is expanding airspace to provide support to japanese units 'in the event'. So they can claim to be only taking 'defensive action' when its clear to all that they are sticking their big noses in

Rory_Breaker's picture

What are they planning to do about subs?

Seer's picture

Only going with the primary players...

Uber Vandal's picture

All we are missing is an Arch-Duke somewhere to really get this going.

Federal Reserve 100 year Bday this year.

WW1 100 year Bday next year.

Imagine that.

cynicalskeptic's picture

Start the countdown for WWIII..... If we can't get it going in the Middle East with Iran et. al. (despite multiple attempts) we may be going for an Asian war.  Only problem is that the US has no long term prodictive capacity without stuff produced in China.... it's a real bitch when you can't build any more cruise missles because of some 79 cent part you can't get from China.... Hell, China might welcome a conflict - put all those single males to some use and whittle the population down.

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Don't forget that both SK and Japan are proxies for the Fed and our MIC.

The sabre-rattling on our side is designed to elicit INFO and Capabilities of China's military. You don't just "Go Rambo" on them, w/o knowing what they're really capable of.

Seer's picture

The other thing is to continue to paint "China, Bad!"  You know, those commie bastards who fucked up the US by helping fund it's bad behaviors!

Skateboarder's picture

No worries. South Korean males will make the seamless transition from Starcraft to aircraft.

Tijuana Donkey Show's picture

Starcraft 1 or 2? We need to know!

Skateboarder's picture

Starcraft 1 of course. I saw video clips of 2 and it was all flashy and stuff - not to my taste. Starcraft 1 and the Tony Hawk Pro Skater games was the last time I played video games. Nowadays the market looks dominated by first-person killing... *sigh*

Zero Debt's picture

How about a nice game of DEFCON, Professor Falken?


HoofHearted's picture

As WB7 might say, "Jump, fuckers."

Probably more sabre rattling and nobody has the "giant American penis" to really be bastards about all of this. But then again, maybe Kyle Bass will be proven right...

Theta_Burn's picture

Imagine the fun if a viable oil or gas find is made

LetThemEatRand's picture

Watch out for the 3-D laser maids.  They are a bitch.  Sorry, S. Korea.  You lost your credibility a few decades ago when you sucked on American cock and liked it.  You remember that whole thing about how we'll protect you?  We'll "we" was bankers.  And they fucking lie.  Got some shit they want?  They're coming.  

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

Koreans do not like us all that much.  Some do, some don't.  It's hard to generalize as I only went once and know just a few.

But, what that country has accomplished, more-or-less on its own since the Korean War, is simply amazing.  ALL of the city of Seoul has free wifi, even outside.  Nice metro.  Supermodern bearing factories. And the men all know Tae Kwon Do.  They average some 4" taller than Nork men...

S Korea could defeat N Korea on their own.  True!  But, their capital of Seoul would be destroyed as it is within artillery range of the Norks, and the Norks have a lot of artillery.  S Korea would win, but at huge cost.

Better for S Korea to wait until the Norks collapse, and then work out a deal with China.

LetThemEatRand's picture

Thanks for the insight as always.

Interesting how the asian nations are starting to be relevant again, other than as a source of cheap labor/trading partners.  It's hard for all of us to think beyond our own experience.  

Colonel's picture

"Better for S Korea to wait until the Norks collapse..."

Like we did with the Soviets. Eventually leftards collapse economically. It's too bad nations have to wait until leftardism is again proven a failure.

Jam Akin's picture

You are certainly on the right track in your comments DoChen.  The country has built an amazing society out of nothing but sheer hard effort since the Korean war.  I'd like to add that Koreans are very hard working people, very resilient and at the same time have a fairly violent cuture - proud descendents of the Mongols many of them will tell you.  When you drive around the country it is amazing to an American with military training to see how extensive the preparations for conflict are all over the country - preplanned barricades, highways prepped to use as air strips, etc etc etc.

My wife is Korean (who disagrees with my violent culture observation and is a sweetheart yet I told my son if he ever gets into the military he will have no tougher drill sergeant than his Umma).  I go to Korea often enough on business.  On one trip went for a stroll in the park across from the Seoul Hilton where one guy was beating another over the head with a 2 x 4 near some gaming tables with a crowd gathered to watch.  

Those who made the observation that Korea and Japan are in direct economic competition are right on the money.  Korean economy benefitted greatly after the big 2011 earthquake in Japan and now the shoe is firmly on the other foot with Abe-nomics and this  must be reversed in the Korean view.  The relatively strong won has put a lot of pressure on Korean exports this year compared with Japan.  

Another factor to keep in mind is that Koreans (my wife told me this) at least in earlier generations were/are specifically indoctrinated in the schools about the history of the Japanese occupation.  There is a strong anti-Japan feeling in Korea as in China.    

Many Koreans in past held to a conspiracy theory that the US military was actually running their country.  Given all the crap the CIA was working during the Cold War and the large US militry force there, probably had a good bit of truth to it.  This is a source of some of the resentment you described.

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

Jam, all your observations match my own, only you know the place better.  YES, the ones I dealt with are hard workin' mofos -- 60 hours + per week (export guys).

Yes, Korea and Japan are direct competitors in many industries (inc. of course bearings).  The Koreans are suffering at least some from the lower Japanese Yen.

Yes again re disliking the Japanese.  My feeling was that the Koreans trust the Chinese more.  How that works is beyond me.  I do not know the Korean mind-set and USED to know only four words in Korean, LOL (it is a hard language).

Also, the US Army's presence has occasionally added to frictions, whenever a Korean girl is hassled or worse by one of our soldiers...


I hope your wife makes some Korean food (mmm, yum...) for you from time-to-time..., but don't get fat!

Jam Akin's picture

Thanks DoChen. My wife was trained at cooking school in Korea. Food is excellent at our place and fortunately it is not easy to get fat on a traditional Korean diet.

Freddie's picture

Man these people are heavily amped up history of being fighters.  Koreans - Mongols. Japanese - Ninjas, Samuris and ShoGuns. 

Not sure what bad ass thing the Chinese did but I think they invented gunpowder and pizza or spaghetti.  China supposedly did not have a warrior class but the Samuri code came from China.

They can all kick ass in Tae Kwon Do, Kung Fu, and other types of fighting. 

They all have fought each other before.   Somebody is looking to start a war and it is probably The AL See Eye AAA Duh.