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South Korea Unveils It's Own Air Defense Zone, Overlapping China's And Japan's
As fear and nationalism rise in Japan (and Abe's grip on the people founders amid falling approval ratings and underperforming economic indicators such as GDP tonight), so another party has joined the debacle in the East China Sea. As NHK World reports, South Korea has officially announced that it will expand its air defense identification zone, making it partially overlap those of Japan and China. The game of chicken over small islands (and submerged rocks!) in the middle of nowhere continues...
The 'triangle' of doom in the East China Sea...
South Korea has officially announced that it will expand its air defense identification zone, making it partially overlap those of Japan and China.
South Korea's Defense Ministry said on Sunday that the expansion will go into effect on December 15th.
The move comes after China established its air defense zone over a wide area of the East China Sea last month.
The zone includes the Senkaku Islands, which are controlled by Japan and claimed by China and Taiwan.
Seoul has been demanding that Beijing redraw the zone because it partially overlaps the one set by South Korea and includes a submerged rock called Ieodo claimed by both nations. The Chinese call the rock Suyan.
The South Korean Defense Ministry said the expanded zone will also cover 2 small islands whose airspace partially overlaps Japan's defense zone.
The ministry said it briefed Japan, the United States and China on the matter beforehand and the 3 countries suggested that the expansion is in line with international rules and is not an excessive measure.
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ebworthen: Your logic is defective, and
All of your apostrophes are wrong.
Does anyone notice that South Korea claims half of north Korea in its airspace. Kim Jung Un of North Korea should make a pompous claim soon. It is not like him to be quiet on such things.
Yellowknife and Whitehorse are looking pretty good these days.
China = 1.361.500.000!
The common wisdom is that china will use the threat of dumping usd if the US starts threatening. But couldn't the US also use war as an excuse to stop paying or just cancel its debt to china? Also wouldn't the US have to borrow money from china in order to attack it militarily?
"But couldn't the US also use war as an excuse to stop paying or just cancel its debt to china?"
Yup.
There's another HUGE angle here:
http://breakingenergy.com/2013/04/26/china-to-remain-free-rider-on-us-le...
The US will, undoubtedly, cease to be the world's policeman one day. TPTB have to have a successor. TPTB like govts over mobsters, so China would seem to get the nod over Russia: recall that Nixon travelled to China and not to Russia.
There might be some low-level skirmish to consumate this transition and in the process the U.S. managed to weasel out of its debts, but I doubt there's going to be any full-blown WWII-like war.
Indeed ... LOL ... SOP in the ongoing theatre of the absurd.
I've decided to claim a couple submerged rocks. Your move, China.
"I" am God. Checkmate!
What about Great Leader's defense zone? Flying unicorns monitoring their airspace.
Cool, this is a like a threesome. Only remaining question is what position will each side assume and who's going to watch.
Caboose on the man train?
"The Ministry said it briefed Japan, the United States and China on the matter beforehand and the 3 countries suggested that the expansion is in line with international rules and is not an excessive measure."
If this is true, isn't it an attempt to defuse the situation? Having a third party come in and claim space that two others claim, can give the two original parties a chance to back off while saving face.
Another possibility. Good to see lots of people thinking here...
Urgh... no. My friend... these are Koreans. These are people who played "my chair-is-taller-than-your-chair" at Panmunjom, or "our flag is bigger than your flag," and other silly penis measuring contests.
The terms one-upmanship or brinkmanship mean anything to you? I think the Koreans invented that shit. Anyone who spends any amount of time "on the economy" in Korea, meaning, free from the comfy constraints of a military base or corporate-sponsored sojourn, down in the gutter bumping heads and elbows in the daily grind of Korean life quickly realizes that everything... and I do mean... everything... in Korea... is about getting an edge on someone. In matters large, and small. From the career-determining job interview to cutting in front of you in a line, all of life is one long brutal, merciless competition to edge your way ahead of everyone else, one merciless increment at a time.
Koreans been playing that shit now for 60+ years with some degree of success. You think they gonna let the Johnny Wong-Come-Lately Commie Chinese best that at the game they invented? In their own waters?
Nope. Not gonna happen.
The fact that our fiesty Korean friends could get away with much of it because it was on our dime is of course frequently lost on them... but they'll figure it out. Probably just about when its too late... but, oh well.
Aaaaah the human condition... will we ever learn. I seriously doubt it.
"everything... in Korea... is about getting an edge on someone"
Oh, my, That IS unique! </sarc>
Dr. Bonzo, I know enough Koreans to be able to agree with you re what you say about their brutally competitive culture. I'm not saying that they would defuse things to be nice. I just don't think that they are batshit crazy like those Japanese who are militaristic, and those Chinese who are wildly Japan-hating. I think they would rather live than not, and if China and Japan go to war Korea will not survive. Besides, this would be a braggart way for the Koreans to defuse the situation: win-win.
And I'm really not seeing the value here for SK. Either this is a complete suprise to the US (I could make that argument), or it's entirely dictated by the US.
It's ALWAYS about resources, either direct access to them or shipping/transport of them.
I think you've got it. These 3 countries haven't agreed on territorial issues since time began. The fact that all of them have apparently agreed with South Korea's ADIZ expansion says volumes.
There's a lot of history involved in the background too, both recent 20th century and ancient. Outside of unis that still teach classics, the West cannot begin to understand the mindset of people whose languages refer to events that happened a thousand years ago in every day speech as though it happened yesterday.
My own thoughts reflect yours - that SK just defused the matter to save it for another year. The only truly desperate party to start a shooting war is Japan, and I am not sure whether they are that suicidal considering the high probability that SK will side with China if push comes to shove. History and current economic ties indicate it strongly.
I've known the Japanese as both friends and rivals. Its current situation reminds me of an incident a long time ago when a Japanese man quite deliberately and unusually started a fight with me by making false accusations about me ogling his sister. If you saw the both of us together you'd see it was ridiculous from the disparities in our size and he was clearly doomed from the start. Once I beat him, it was all smiles, handshakes and introductions. To say I was confused is the understatement of the year, but the gist of his behaviour was that he needed me to beat him in order to ask a favour from me. I would have gladly helped if he'd only asked, but that was not his way. Do the Japanese want to get beaten by the Chinese in order to receive their help? Well, it wouldn't be the first time that has happened.
interesting first hand perspective. that's why i come here. thanks...
Up-arrow.
"If you saw the both of us together you'd see it was ridiculous from the disparities in our size and he was clearly doomed from the start."
Obviously he wasn't a Bruce Lee. Careful, speed kills.
+1 absolutely. I don't mind admitting that I have been beaten in the Do by much smaller and skilful opponents. Anyway, that weird (to me) incident reminded of the present. Whether it has any merit, time will only tell.
There is no way SK sides with China, they will stay neutral or join in a fray with Japan. SK and Japan are US arsenals right now. And while the SKs might hate the Japanese, given all that has transpired in the past 40 years, the SK do not see the Japanese to be as big a threat as the Chinese.
Keep in mind the Chinese INVADED SK during the Korean War. There is no love lost between the two countries.
The Korean war was fought as a proxy between the then new super powers, Russia and the US, who sliced up the country after WWII without any good reasons for doing so, unlike West and East Germany which was punitive.
One could argue that China invaded Korea in the same way the US invaded Korea, since up until the US involvement, it was essentially a civil war to reunify the nation. If you think any South Korean would be grateful to the US (& others involved) for first slicing up his country, murdering his relatives, and flattening his country, destroying everything the Japanese hadn't already destroyed or stolen during the occupation, then you've been sucking too hard on the propaganda pipe. Here's a frightening factoid: More tonnage of munitions were dropped on the small peninsula of Korea by the US/UN than in both the world wars combined. It was a miracle the Koreans survived at all.
You should factor in the huge ethnic Korean communities in China and the SK investments that have been made there. There is almost zero chance that the SK govt will side with Japan in a shooting war with China. I'd suggest you find one and ask for yourself.
Without the U.S. growing a spine, the South Korean edict is meanigless, unless they have a nuke to let loose.
Again, why is it the the US has to do anything anywhere else?
As soon as you start into this "mine is bigger than yours" thing you're fully immersed in foreign entanglements via back-door.
I as a human being extend my air defense zone over the entire globe.
Anyone violating my air-defense zone must pull over and pay a 1000$ fine.
Okay, we'll smell ya.
Just so longs as you stay away from the moon.
THE MOON IS MINE!
I own the moon and all those remote control rovers, satellites, science projects, and secret Nazi UFO bases hiding on it. I also own the image of the moon, so a bunch of you owe me for infringement.
North Korea will set up their zone and be light the spark.
This about one thing only now, N Korea.
Its time that abortion and the fat ugly incestuous pedophile cretin fatboy was brought down.
Perfect excuse for Korea now .
China will be too busy with Japan, and S Korea will do a deal to keep out of the sea if China keeps out of N Korea
My guess is that the PTB are wanting to cull the herd. Too many mouths eating their food and shitting all over their planet. Their problem is getting the right people in position, so the war doesnt escalate and involve weapons that fuck up their playground.
Food shortages, energy shortages etc. will trigger lots of upheaval. If anything, TPTB are trying to make this all orderly: it's always about trying to hold on to stability. In the end we're ALL beholden to Mother Nature.
rubbish my advice to you son is sign up.
join the marine corpse.
fight for freedom we wons before we wins again no matter who or what we fightin for.
sign up son do it for your betters.
we need this horror show bad.
quite funny how the west view S Korea, N Korea, China, Japan. Quite funny indeed. Seeding was from China and the Chinese have thousand year history in dealing with them considering they are cousins.
S Korea is US puppet so is Japan. Everything you read is engineered to really show that the world needs the US as the global cop. Sorry, but we really don't as this so called global cop has failed miserably. All it does is create bloody conflicts. The middle east is a prime example. Just chaos over there thanks to the US and its allies (namely Isreal - actually the House of Rothschild who own 80% of Isreal)
I pretty much agree, but... As oil is still readily flowing I'd have to say that it's not such a total failure. Again, if you view things with respect to resources there's more clarity to be had.
"we really don't as this so called global cop has failed miserably"
The global cop role has NOTHING to do with stopping the fighting or even keeping the fighting from starting.
Global cop or Israel's bully?
Same difference?
I know exactly how this all plays out.
I've watched Asian movies.
So, you're saying Mothra loses?
Waitaminute, everyone.
I don't know why everyone is so pessimistic about this announcement.
With all these countries protecting the airspace over the East China Sea, that should be the safest stretch of ocean in the world. I feel safer already!
Grreeaat, it is an increasingly a WTF world...
Conrad, "Knock this battery off my shoulder, go ahead!"
this is all building up to a negotiated settlement. Phillipines will not be invited.
Actually, the US has been pretty busy shoring up things with the Filipinos of late.
Those Asians best be real careful about playing chicken with each other. The tribe been itching for a big war any way they can get it and they'll stick a false flag into that airspace mess and set off the keg.
I've decided to create a new air defense zone of my own, that I will pesonally enforce. It consists of the intersection of the air defense zones of Japan, China, and South Korea. Please let me know if you want to fly in that area, and please file a flight plan with me, before entering tha airspace.
k,thnx,bye
Unveils Its Own--no apostrophe
Your grammar mistakes continue to degrade the site. You need an editor.
Sign up! It'll be the buddy system :-)
If any gramatical errors from folks whose English is not their primary language, well, I am more than easy about it: English is about as fucked up as you can get.
I'm waiting for Nam to place their order on the zone. Good times, gooood times...
India and China have traded artillary shots with each other for the past couple of years.
Wild Card.
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der war is needed cos fuckishima is to sloww
Looks like Ieodo is screwed.
Hey, you got peanut butter on my air defense zone. Hey, you got chocolate on my air defense zone...
OK, so it looks like I can take China, then Korea, then hop to Japan. If I can hold the borders with Africa, Europe, and Australia, I get 7 bonus armies per turn. You're screwed, North America!
They took RISK seriously: Never start a land war in Asia.
russia could be the next nation to set up her own air defense identification zone. it is interesting to see how japan would react, since japan is the first one set up the largest area of adiz. every one now just follow japan's suit. japan has so many enemies aroud her. The us was her enemy too sometime ago, remember dec.7. how did a nation like japan with a small area to managed that. amazing!!! Japan should befriend everyone peacefully. however, she is doing exactly the opposit even now and would like to drag the us into the conflict. Japan has long way to go.
Looks like we have a threesome!