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Meanwhile, Russia Casually Announces It Will Use Nukes If Attacked
With the Ukraine situation increasingly precarious, and now even the US state department getting involved with the occasional unexpected harsh warning...
- U.S. MAY CONSIDER SANCTIONS ON UKRAINE: STATE DEPT
... into what Putin has made very clear is his brand new sphere of influence (it is unclear just why the US is responding in such a way: did the pro-Europe protesters not use Made in the US tear gas or chemical weapons?), Russia casually threw it out there earlier today that it would use nuclear weapons if it comes under an attack. As vice prime minister and defense industry chief made clear, "One can experiment as long as one wishes by deploying non-nuclear warheads on strategic missile carriers. But one should keep in mind that if there is an attack against us, we will certainly resort to using nuclear weapons in certain situations to defend our territory and state interests." Just in case it wasn't quite clear...
Rogozin pointed out that this principle is enshrined in Russia’s military doctrine. Any aggressor or group of aggressors should be aware of that, he said. “We have never diminished the importance of nuclear weapons – the weapon of requital – as the great balancer of chances,” Rogozin said.
More from RT:
Russia’s Fund of Perspective Researches (FPI) will develop a military response to the American Conventional Prompt Global Strike (PGS) strategy, Dmitry Rogozin told the State Duma.
So far, the FPI has already looked at over a thousand proposed ideas and plans to work on 60 projects, eight of which are top priority, the politician said. He refused to disclose any details, but said that one of those projects is focused on preparing a response to the PGS, which is the “main strategy” that the Pentagon is nurturing.
PGS would allow the United States to strike targets anywhere on the planet, with conventional weapons in as little as an hour.
As Rogozin explained earlier, the strategy would give America an advantage over a nuclear state, thanks to their better technical capabilities with weaponry, including the speed, RIA Novosti cited.
So if nothing else, at least the primary deterrence strategy of the cold war has just made a roaring comeback. We can only hope that with such skilled heads of the State Department as John Kerry, that the nuclear exchange that was avoided for the duration of the first cold war doesn't somehow become a GDP-boosting reality.
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That's pretty clear.
it is an absolute shame that i hope someone, anyone sticks us in the ass...
That Escalated Quickly
FOURTEEN SIGNPOSTS TO SLAVERY
1. Restrictions on taking money out of the country and on the establishment or retention of a foreign bank account by an American citizen.
2. Abolition of private ownership of hand guns.
3. Detention of individuals without judicial process.
4. Requirements that private financial transactions be keyed to social security numbers or other government identification so that government records of these transactions can be kept and fed into a computer.
5. Use of compulsory education laws to forbid attendance at presently existing private schools.
6. Compulsory non-military service.
7. Compulsory psychological treatment for non-government workers or public school children.
8. An official declaration that anti-Communist organizations are subversive and subsequent legal action taken to suppress them.
9. Laws limiting the number of people allowed to meet in a private home.
10. Any significant change in passport regulations to make passports more difficult to obtain or use.
11. Wage and price controls, especially in a non-wartime situation
12. Any kind of compulsory registration with the government of where individuals work.
13. Any attempt to restrict freedom of movement within the United States.
14. Any attempt to make a new major law by executive decree (that is, actually put into effect, not merely authorized as by existing executive orders.)
This was compiled many years ago, and I think we can check most off the list....
Just another confirmation of a coming depopulating nuclear WWIII with USA vs. China/Russia.
Thank you oligarchs for setting up the murder of billions of regular people like me, so we don't use up YOUR resources.
If you like our nukes... you can keep them
Nuclear weapons are cool again?
Most countries talk about using their nukes right before they do some kind of covert incursion.
FSB must have a busy December in Syria.
Somebody in the WH is getting aroused by that photo and it ain't Mooch.
No one in the WH is in charge.
We still live under the threat of mutually-assured-destruction.
Imagine living in the UK at the height of MAD fear...Now THAT was propaganda!
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2013/12/the-war-game-1965-terrifying-nucle...
Looks like the Vlad finally got around to using that big red reset button Obama's first brilliant Sec'y of State gave them.
anyone old enough to remember Logans Run?
The danger is if they decide to couple this strategy with the Bush Doctrine of the pre-emptive War.
power abhors a vacuum. after the United States back down in the Pacific the Russians decide to up the ante. America will non-respond. It over. Act accordingly. USD crumble cant be far away.
Then the question for me is: Is it by design or incompetence? I'm going with design, despite the man-child's narcissistic incompetence...but only his bosses know for sure.
It's by design. If you look at everything these fugnuts have written in the past, and their actions, then it becomes clear: They hate the US. Now they are in a position where they don't care if the country self-implodes economically or gets melted in a huge nuclear fireball... They have the means now to escape with their lives, even if it's only temporary, as I'm sure someone will hunt them down no matter where they go...
i read a piece a year or 2 ago that detailed how there would be no war, just a bunch of threats from a neutered congress and military, as china and russia just go about their business and ignore them.
What's another 25 bombs going off in every major city. ? They have already dropped thousands. I would not rule out a nuke war. In fact, I think it will happen. Once they proliferate enough, someone will start it.
Armageddon Days are here again!
In other news, FUD is making a comeback...
Nuclear War, according to Krugman, would lead to a miraculous economic recovery. Bullish.
I might believe there still is a god if it turns out Krugman's house is ground zero.
Actually I want him 5 miles from ground zero, but with no escape route. Cook slowly biotch!.
Think of nuclear war as a gigantic broken window.
It would be horrible if Washington DC was taken out in a nuclear exchange.
Dozens of innocent lives could be snuffed out.
Dozens? I think you're exaggerating a bit there, don't you think?
-It's just another Cold War phase. Glasnost really was just a 'regroup' one. Now,... There back!
We will Barry you!!!!!! (spittle flying everywhere)
Barry's student card :https://www.facebook.com/michel.duchaine/posts/10152074494654605
Fake ?
Compression artifacts around Barry that do not appear in other places. The artifacts are not usually seen in real pictures on real cards, so it is not compression prior to card production. It also looks as if the face had a background removed in potatoeslop. He may well have attended as an Indonesian, but this card is almost certainly a potatoeslop effort.
In particular, check out the ear on your right. Whoever erased the background there was sloppy.
TY for your expertise
Good one, TD.
I hope we attack Russia...
"I hope we attack Russia..."
And I hope you and your children are the first to go.
The USA is a joke. The sad thing is the Ukraine is stuck in teh middle. The EU-SSR is probably worse than Russia. Just ask Greece, Spain and Ireland.
Has anyone spotted John McCain in any of the Kiev videos. I just know that sick, psycho fuck is over there somewhere.
"Peace is only a sanction away....."
McCann is a hero in Vietnam.
What did you think would happen when we elected the most incompetent half-negro as President?
Shhh!.... But did you know that Barbara Bush had a half black love child after Dora?
Keep that one under wraps.
McCain is bought and paid for.
"McCann is a hero in Vietnam."
This John McCain? The “war hero” candidate buried information about POWs left behind in Vietnam.
Didn't think most of you would get it. The Vietcong/Charlie erected a memorial to the traitor but spelled his name wrong.
Is he the one with his hands up?
This is the response I was waiting for in reply to Kerry - who was ALL over the European airwaves yesterday stridently condemning the Ukrainian government for evicting protesters from government buildings.
What I wonder would Mr Kerry say if NSA headquarters were occupied by protesting US citizens?
Let's sit down and talk about this calmly? I think not.
What was Kerry complaining about? That the Ukrainian government police didn't shoot any confused young women with their babies? Wahington knows how to handle the rowdy.
Kerry should ram a croquet post up his rectum, and put a sock in his big mouth. How anyone that lives here in the US can handle that tool is beyond me.
he would say "open fire".
or "fire when ready"
or "launch the drones".
Good, cause I thought you were gonna dump those spent rods in fukushima and build a containor around it all.
What a CRAZZZY WORLD we're in!
Yeah that's for sure. But only because we collectively tolerate it.
"Monkey with a hand grenade"
Um, Tannerite...but close.
Unfortunately, you're much better off using them first ... well, except for versus one counterparty.
exactly. I mean "go ahead...take on the Perisan Empire"...believe me the USA is on your side. This President needs a win and I get the feeling Game of Chicken Kiev is on the menu.
Roger That...
Do you Copy?!!!
I think the folks at Langley simultaneously let out a 'little trickle' and tiny 'brown curd' with this news.
Hope the lucky boyz and girlz working covert for the U.S. Government in the Ukraine will be getting double overtime hazardous duty pay for what they are putting into this "disturbance package"? Better be in something other than USD.
I'm sure the clause in the contract before heading over to start this second operation included a living will with an arrangement that should you disappear "nobody has seen you since"...
P.S.
Does anyone know if the Russians torture "enemy non-combatants" like the U.S. does?
AHEM.
Russia does NOT torture.
they "encourage".
its a form of speech therapy.
is most good not also see FSB for tendonitis.
Speech therapy is be harsh enough.
Paging Boris. Paging Boris. Only Boris can translate what they really mean.
Let me try.. Putin SS-25 ride slim pickinsky style into DC organizers house.
Don't mess with Russia!! Their chicks are hot!!
...until they turn 35.
Pretty much that way for all women IMHO.
If you think old dudes are any more attractive than old women, you're living in a delusional fairyland.
Ever hear of MILFs?
Prefer not to.
One may find lots of MILFs in torrent :-)
Is it cold in here?
Now with the military purge well along, I suppose we will soon find out if the right people are in place to make this happen.
the Castro handshake was a surprise...but the yuk-yuk with Cameron and the Dutch PM I think the bigger deal. "bad news is still news for a reason." Especially when your wife is really angry at you.
disabledvet,
down arrow you for being ignorant, the leggy blond to flirt with is Danish PM not Dutch!
I'll have to start practicing getting under my desk again.
Don't forget the mantra this is sure to protect you from all harm, Duck and Cover. A lot easier to do at 10 years of age than in the 60's :-)
The Original.
Updated
LOL! Yeah, "duck" now means pull my head down into my collar!
"Russia casually threw it out there earlier today that it would use nuclear weapons"
I bet it's in response to the 1+T pentagon budget being passed.
It's the Mafia on a larger scale being played out. US and her Banker interests as the Corleone Family, Russia and Big Oil as the Tattaglia's etc..the Brics and Narco.. as Sollozzo muscling in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvKXt3Surlk
Smoke 'em if ya got 'em, honey!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prompt_Global_Strike
If Russia's early warning system detects an ICBM, how do they know whether it contains nuclear warheads or conventional warheads?
Obama initiated this. Even Bush considered this a bad idea.
Better yet, how do we launch on Afghanistan from the US without overflying Russian airspace at any altitude? The stupidity of our "leaders" would be hilarious if it couldn't kill us all in a couple hours.
Though that's the rub. I think Russia is beginning to realize that they are a huge contender once again, this is incredibly true in the event of a global financial collapse, they're going to be one of those "last nations standing." Still have a huge export market (oil!), have virtually no debt, and they... you know... still manufacture things.
Also, how kindly will that whole "demilitarization of space" thing hold up if we're routinely lobbing weapons through the atmosphere at some random Snidely Whiplashes in foreign countries?
having burn through all the credible threats, bin-laden, al-ciada, boggy-man, they have been reduced to hunting cartoon characters.
+1 for snidley whiplash.
The multi-spectrum radar bounceback off the high-density (big atomic number elements) nuclear device gives it away as would the launch site, say a mid-ocean submarine...
Perhaps the tough talk is in response to Chinese war games along China-N.Korean border where purges in NK have recently kicked up.. When you span 17 times zone like Rodinia, there are always enemies to be repulsed.
Obama should never have punted on nuclear non-proliferation with Iran...
The multi-spectrum radar bounceback off the high-density (big atomic number elements) nuclear device gives it away
Horseshit.
As a former military radar engineer, I whole-heartedly concur. As far as long range radar frequencies are concerned, a lump of metal is a lump of fucking metal. Could be a scrap Volvo mounted on the missile re-entry buss and the radar wouldn't be any the wiser.
really? Even viewing straight down from space?
We can even see WATER moving underground with gravimetric readings. From satellites.
I guess that would mean the end of the joint space program and the international space station would be vacated.
Russia should let 3 or 4 of them fly out into the Pacific and detonate them in the ocean water, fun is fun. A 100 megaton hydrogen bomb explosion in the middle of the Pacific would be a sight not soon to be forgotten. Have satellite video of the mushroom cloud above the calm Pacific waters.
Learn to love the bomb.
Cell phone video would be cooler.
its not likely an icbm could pepetrate the nuclear plume created by fukishima, that is currently squatting the pacific.
When you launch the nukes, please download a selfie with the launching nuke.
We will have 43 minutes to enjoy it.
The MIC got what it wanted....
Bullish!!!
Has George Soros announce what color the new Ukraine revolution is? If I remember correctly, his last one was orange.
Not running out of colors, just have to get creative with names. Years of spontaneous revolutioneering here.
I like Tyler Durden. On a sidenote I will point to the fact that Israel and Pakistan have also nukes and:
According to the Quran, non-believers...
Eat like beasts 47:12
Are apes 7:166, 5:60, 2:65
Are swines 5:60
Are asses 74:50
The vilest of animals in Allah's sight 8:55
Losers 2:27, 2:121, 3:85
Have a disease in their hearts 2:10, 5:52, 24:50
Are hard-hearted 39:22, 57:16
Impure of hearts 5:41
Are deaf 2:171, 6:25
Are blind 2:171, 6:25
Are dumb 2:171, 6:35, 11:29
Are niggardly 4:37, 70:21
Works shall be rendered ineffective 2:217, 47:1, 47:8
Are impure 8:37
Are scum 13:17
Are inordinate 5:68, 78:22
Are transgressors 2:26, 9:8, 46:20
Are unjust 29:49
Make mischief 16:88
Are the worst of men 98:6
Are in a state of confusion 50:5
Are the lowest of the low 95:5
Focus only on outward appearance 19:73-74
Are guilty 30:12, 77:46
Sinful liar 45:7
Follow falsehood 47:3
Deeds are like the mirage in a desert 24:39
also...
Allah does not love them 3:32, 22:38
Allah forsakes them 32:14, 45:34
Allah brought down destruction upon them 47:10
Allah has cursed them 2:88, 48:6
Allah despises them 17:18
Allah abases them 22:18
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Illuminating-Islamic-Quotes/4765381957767...
Yep that about covers everyone, well except Obama!
You skipped the ones where it was ok to lie to non-belivers and kill them. I think that those quotes are majority of the Koran.
allah is a pimp and muslims suck .
And that's why I can only promote atheism as being moral.
Religion is a vicious poison.
The title is misleading. It's old news. Russia's current military doctrine was announced over 13 years ago:
Putin Signs New Military Doctrine, Fleshing Out Security Concept
Philipp C. Bleek
THE RUSSIAN SECURITY Council approved and President Vladimir Putin signed a new military doctrine April 21 that replaces the doctrine adopted in 1993 and "fleshes out" the military policy elaborated in Russia's 2000 national security concept, formally adopted in January. (See ACT, January/February 2000.) Like the security concept, the new doctrine appears to lower Russia's threshold for using nuclear weapons when attacked with conventional weapons. It also explicitly states that Russia's nuclear deterrent can be used to respond to all "weapons of mass destruction" attacks and reaffirms Russia's negative security assurances to non-nuclear- weapon states. (See document.)
...cut...
Yeah, this is really old news. It's just a continuation of policy from the time the USSR was in existence. Way back then, they said the same thing and even added a bit of color, namely that they would respond to attacks with nukes, but that they wouldn't initiate an attack with nukes.
Anyone thinking that this is either 1) a new policy or 2) particularly hostile has a fairly short memory in terms of foreign policy. Though neither side really discusses it much, the details behind nuke use were essentially hashed out collectively betweent the US and USSR decades ago, and there really hasn't been any issue about there.
(There have been a lot of issues over delivery systems, ABMs, and theatre-defense missles over the years, with missile defense in Poland being one of the more recent points of sensitivity.)
I think the news people must have gotten orders to sex this up, probably to take attention of the laundry list of failures of this admin and give the POTUS a chance to look tough in order to life his poll numbers from the "peasants about to revolt" range.
They shoiuld reactivate The Arm of Death system from 70s. It's a kind of SkyNet system that launches itself in case all russians are killed by the first strike. I think it was disabled under Gorbachev... System would launch missles automatically if communication between command centers is lost... Good thing they didn't have Windows OS back then :)
Still fully functional: http://www.wired.com/politics/security/magazine/17-10/mf_deadhand?curren...
It's all Russia has. It's military is made up of a bunch of alcoholic has beens. Just look at the last 20 years. 2000 Chechen fighters brought the whole Russian army to it's knees. They had to regroup and practically carpet bomb the entire country because they couldn't take it mano to mano.
Then there was the Georgian conflict. I was surprised it worked out for them. I guess it helps when all the Russians you have living in Georgia give you a hand.
Anyone who thinks that the Russians are a professional fighting force has no clue. Bunch of drunks is what they are all paid with mafia money. How else can you get them to attack their own brothers and sisters.
So the nuclear option is all they have because they wouldn't stand a chance against any decent fighting force, i.e. Britain, US, Germany, etc.....
Better watch out, you have entered the Putin man-crush zone.
You might be..... down arrowed.
I know they worship him here. Westerners, they just don't understand who he is....oh well....
The truth is never popular with the stupid....
I guess we're not speaking of the same Russians who fought the Whermacht to a standstill in the grimmest, most brutal battles of human history. Those must have been some other Russians...
And they're going to what... shuffle in formation?
The first division into Germany (Berlin was a Ukrainian Division). The Russians never send their own children into battle just everyone else's.
The truth is never popular with the stupid....
"Ukraine devision" this is s.t. new! And by your logic this "ukraine division" probably was full of ukranians. Dude, you should write history books! :-)))
Never read anything funnier!
Red Army 1943 by nationality...Here it is:
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/pyhalov/31027164/76004/76004_original.jpg
Russians: 65% Ukranians:11% everyone else substantially less...
So, "Russians never send their own children into battle just everyone else's" you should shove it ... back where it came from.
..any decent fight force? The West has had decency since the Seven Years War.
If you were shooting for the "most clueless" prize. It's your's hands down!;-)
Capitol of Chechnya 'lost by Russians' stunned!:-) you finally brought truth to the serfice!
http://www.touringo.ru/system/images/3234/post/13-pic3-700x467-74201.jpe...
Germany? Britain? Try reading s.t. on the subject before embarrassing yourself.
P.S. when was last tank or ICBM was produced in US? hmmm...;-)
We can probablly retaliate with Bagdad Bob's "Line of Death".
I hear Bagdad Bob is available and very reasonably priced....
Why would Putin be threatened by US sanctions?
What country needs to strike anywhere in the world within an hour?
Amazon Prime Air...
It's all fun and games till someone uses the "N" word.
Duplicate
Lol rarely really means lol. This did it.
I don't see this as news. We have never dared attack Russian territory nor Russia attack us territory.
Worry is some psycho in the armed forces running with the preemptive strike.
I gotta be a little nihilistic here. But we f*cking deserve annihilation if we allow that stupid, grinning, f*cking disgusting a-hole strolling around the world. Wake up American for f*cks sake!
On Russia. Putin knows the whole county wants him out, he will look for a distraction...as will China, Japan etc etc etc.
FTW
This is why states desire nukes, because you can say this (as lunatic as it sounds)
But only *one* state has ever used it.
And that's why we print the world's money #murica
Because it sure as hell ain't freedom or growth!
The whole point of contention about which side Ukraine should belong rests solemly on the calculated time for Russian tank armies to reach Paris. Swaying Ukraine to the West gives extra few hours to set up those Blue Peacock nuclear mines along Elbe (or is it now Oder?). Either way the tanks are comming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZxXp689Grw
putin is out of contral this is crazy talk.
he is like a bear with a sore head or a wounded siberian wild dog.
he is a direct threat to are way of life.
he threatens the dreams of are fathers the hopes of are mothers.
thank god for david cammoron,holland of france,barry obarma and king bibi netanyahoo of is rahell.
we jewish folks cannot allow bulwarks to rothschild progress.
we will prevail the goy will be enslaved.
feel free to neg you nazis.
and state interests.
key words there. Looks like Syria might be coming to the forefront again.
I'm pretty sure the US would use nuclear weapons if attacked also. As long as it weren't themselves doing it.
Russia, please send nukes to the following addresses: 1) Jew York City, 2) the District of Criminals, 2) Hollyweird, and 4) icago, home of the Immanuel Jewish mafia.
So what do the non-"True Torah" Jews have on there list?
What up with the pending Japan China war?
The global shit show is really picking up momentum.
The elites will have us running around killing each other very soon - much like they did in 1917 and 1939.
Ok Russia. Would you like to play a game?
All we need is nuke, nuke is all we need...
"Attorney Charles Bonner, one of the team representing sailors from the USS Ronald Reagan: They are not only going to the rescue by jumping into the water and rescuing people out of the water, but they were drinking desalinated sea water, bathing in it, until finally the captain of the USS Ronald Reagan alarmed people that they were encountering high levels of radiation. As a result of this exposure, the 51 sailors that we represent right now have come down with a host of medical problems, including cancers and leukemias, all kinds of gynecological problems [...] people who are going blind, pilots who had perfect eyesight but now have tumors on the brain. These service men and women are young people 21, 22, 23 years old and no one in their family had ever (inaudible) any of these kinds of illnesses before. The only causal link for these kinds of illnesses is this exposure to radiation, high levels of radiation when they responded to this Operation Tomadachi."
Study: Dead sea creatures covered 98% of seafloor last year about 150 miles off California coast; Unprecedented, had been below 1% prior to event — ‘Major’ changes began in spring 2011enenews.com
what are you excited about? rogozin's statements are for internal use, putin is heavilly exploiting external enemy to consolidate support from russians in condition of worsening economic situation. russian elite including government members have their money in western banks, their families live there their children studyvat western universities. there cannot be any war, don't be stupid
Zbigniew Brzezinski will make sure that any nucelar war will be fought between Russia and China. Thats the game he is playing since 2008 when they started to push the Mid-East-crazy Neocons aside.
By starving China of resources, sea access, and finally turning it against Russia he will be a worthy successor of the old imperial schemers Earl Grey, LLoyd George, George Buchanan, Averell Harrimann, Prescott Bush, Clarence Dillon and Montagu Norman who brought us full spectrum Anglo-US dominance V1 (through WW1 + red & brown dictators + WW2). All wars take place in Eurasia where they belong. If only they can replace the chess players in Moscow with another stooge ...
http://tarpley.net/2008/07/20/us-policy-shift-on-iran-iraq-again-shows-b...
Sanctions? Let me get this right:
1. The Ukranian people want to be part of the European trading block. Check!
2. THe US State Dept. wants to hit the Ukraine with sanctions to punish the government for joining the Russian block. Check!
3. Are the politicians going to suffer from the sanctions? Or will it be the little guy in street? My guess is the guy in the street. Check.
You know what? I was feeling pretty good this morning until I read Tyler's last paragraph. Especially the part about cooler heads in the State Dept like John Kerry.
In conclusion: "WE ARE DOOMED!" (quote attributed to Peter Lorre, pic a film, he said it in most of them.)
The reason the world did not have a full scale nuclear war during the cold war was due to the fact that the world was governed by people that lived through the horrors of WWII. These people are gone now and now we are stuck with people that are willing to chance everything.