This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.

Obamacare Is Supposed To Sign Up 7 Million By March - 365,000 So Far

Tyler Durden's picture




 

Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform blog,

The MSM  is trying to spin the 110,000 sign ups in November as a fantastic result. When a “free” new entitlement is announced and rolled out in this country, they would normally be knocking down the doors to sign up. Anyone who really wants Obamacare has already signed up. The first two months should generate the biggest numbers. When you have only achieved 5% of your goal after two months, you’ve failed miserably. Obamacare is a disaster before it even gets off the ground and bankrupts the country. Young healthy people will never sign up for Obamacare. They know it’s a scam. They also know that Obama and his IRS minions are so incompetent, they’ll never figure out how to collect the fines from people who don’t sign up. Have you ever met an IRS employee?

But, the MSM will do their darndest to mislead the public about Obamacare success.

 

Behind Obamacare figures

The latest figures on Obamacare enrollment are out, and they have better but not great news for the White House. The stats show that Obamacare enrollees who have selected insurance plans through the federal HealthCare.gov website quadrupled from October to November, but other figures don’t show growth that rosy.

HHS figures show that HealthCare.gov enrolled 110,410 new consumers in health plans last month, more than four times that of the 26,794 signed up during October, as the troubled website started to work out the troubles it experienced from its inception Oct. 1.

Growth in the number of people processed through the system wasn’t as sharp. HHS figures indicate that 822,789 consumers were deemed eligible for health plans last month, up 17% from the 702,619 reported for October. The pace of those who completed applications for health coverage was slightly better, with November postings of 1.23 million, up 19% from the 993,635 reported for October.

Further, activity slowed significantly on both the federal and state marketplaces, though some of that wane can be attributed to initial heavy interest. After nearly 27 million unique users clamored to HealthCare.gov and the state websites in October, that slowed down to roughly 12.2 million in November, a drop of 54%. Calls to the various service centers dropped to 2.1 million from 3.2 million, falling by a third.

HHS officials said nearly 365,000 people have selected health plans from state and federal marketplaces since Oct. 1, with nearly two-thirds of that coming from the states. The number of federal marketplace enrollees deemed eligible for coverage is twice that of the state-run exchanges — at 1.5 million vs. the states’ 780,000.

In addition to the 365,000 nationwide sign-ups, more than 800,000 were deemed eligible for Medicaid or the federal Children’s Health Insurance Program. HealthCare.gov serves 36 states, while the 14 other states and the District of Columbia run their own exchanges.

HHS hopes to enroll 7 million people in health plans by March 31. It has been hampered severely by troubles with HealthCare.gov, which it says is operating smoothly for the bulk of consumers visiting the site.

 

- advertisements -

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Wed, 12/11/2013 - 11:48 | 4236127 Bay of Pigs
Bay of Pigs's picture

ACA is DOA

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 11:56 | 4236162 NoDebt
NoDebt's picture

It's not dead.  It's going nowhere.  It's just going to change form.

In case you hadn't noticed, far and away the most popular helathcare plan option under Obamacare is the "dirt level" plan- Medicaid.

Which is what we'll all be on one of these days when they finally shove through single-payer.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 11:56 | 4236178 Newsboy
Newsboy's picture

I didn't sign up yet.

I guess that means I don't really want to.

Nice to know about myself.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 11:59 | 4236196 Meat Hammer
Meat Hammer's picture

You're just simply not smart enough to know what you want.  Your Lord & Savior, Barry Soetoro, will save you from yourself.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:08 | 4236474 zaphod
zaphod's picture

Just  wait till the insurance companies find out the majority of people who sign up are in the "expensive needs" pool, and they lose a ton of money.

Rates for 2015 & 2016 will be interesting.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:31 | 4236560 Ignatius
Ignatius's picture

Melissa Harris-Perry on ObamaCare

This has to be seen to be believed.  http://xrepublic.tv/node/6525

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:34 | 4236582 NemoDeNovo
NemoDeNovo's picture

She is 'Queen' of the Kooks, some of the chit that cums out of her mouth is amazing.....

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 16:04 | 4237266 JoeSexPack
JoeSexPack's picture

Lisps too.

 

Only on air due to PC.

 

& she's the best Leftists can find.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:36 | 4236586 smlbizman
smlbizman's picture

if that niggerette would cut her hair and eat pussy, im sure there is a high level cabinet position waiting for her....

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 14:09 | 4236735 A Nanny Moose
A Nanny Moose's picture

Sadly, that doesn't even qualify as bad sophistry. It's plain old desparation.

Does anybody still listen to these people anymore? Why would you pay a cable provider to broadcast this horseshit?

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 14:17 | 4236783 Ignatius
Ignatius's picture

One more reason - as if I needed one - of why I dumped cable.

"Desperation", absolutely.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 14:34 | 4236882 barliman
barliman's picture

 

HHS figures show that HealthCare.gov enrolled 110,410 new consumers in health plans last month, more than four times that of the 26,794 signed up during October, as the troubled website started to work out the troubles it experienced from its inception Oct. 1.

And even the critic does not point out that HHS is ACTUALLY reporting the number of Healthcare.gov accounts created ... NOT the number of health insurance plans PAID FOR

In addition to 1999 website technology, Healthcare.gov is using "Dot Com Bubble" accounting methodologies!!!

The only way the SCOAMF administration could be MORE corrupt is if the SCOAMF starts PIMPING his daughters out on Penssylvania Avenue.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:34 | 4236571 MachoMan
MachoMan's picture

or the people who don't sign up realize they don't need it...

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:01 | 4236201 NoDebt
NoDebt's picture

What are you waiting for?  Have at it, son.  Hackers are looking forward to extracting all your personal information while you think you are signing up for a healthcare plan (maybe you are, maybe you aren't.... it's just so EXCITING not knowing if it's going to work or not!).

Oh, and do the community a favor- let us know what the rates and deductibles look like.  And if any of the medical facilities in your area are even part of the network.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 11:56 | 4236179 Occident Mortal
Occident Mortal's picture

ACA is a huge flop.

 

It's the half baked bastard solution to a very real problem that goes unresolved.

 

 

All the ACA represents is the fact that all the political capital for healthcare reform has been wasted. US will have to wait for a real manifestation of crisis before healthcare reform is back on the political agenda. In the mean time 17% of GDP will go to healthcare v's <9% in every other industrialised country in the world.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:04 | 4236442 MachoMan
MachoMan's picture

The solution is incredibly obvious...  government can get the fuck out of it, doctors/health providers/hospitals can see what people can actually pay for services (a minimal co-pay is about the extent of it), doctors can go bankrupt, the american economy can begin the process of price discovery, and doctors can once again be wealthy, albeit after receiving less nominal pay, the populace can rejoice as a medical calamity no longer means bankruptcy.  Throughout this entire process, health services will magically be provided...  and probably at or around the same level previously seen, but with dramatically reduced fraud.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:17 | 4236499 thecoloredsky
thecoloredsky's picture

I had to get stitches recently. Total bill was $448.00. I didn't have my insurance info so paid out of pocket. They dropped it to $228.00 (50% off). I go afterwards to submit my claim to get reimbursed and find out my insurance company (BCBS) was billed $237.00. 

So long story short, the health insurance company was charged more than myself paying out of pocket. That was their pre-negociated rates. What I want to know is, what is the REAL cost of my stitches?

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:43 | 4236629 smlbizman
smlbizman's picture

 

why do i need a forced middleman to purchase services?

so the ceo of health services makes 101 mil a year and cant do 1 thing medically related, except fuck us up the ass....so i for 1 do not think i need a middle man for me to go to a doctor...the reasons things cost sooo much has little to do with the "care"we receive...im old enough to remember how it was....and it wasnt ike this...

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 16:20 | 4237321 MachoMan
MachoMan's picture

Exactly...  this is moral hazard.  Where there is cheap money, people will fill in the gaps...  same with any bureaucracy anywhere...  e.g. academia, government, etc.  How is it that there has been top line deterioration for corporate america, but yet we're having record profits?  Easy, nothing but fat to cut...  everywhere.  Granted, the poor schlub at the bottom of the totem pole doesn't quite have as much political sway as the many at the top...  but it takes a whole bunch of indians to make one chief's salary.

The government creates these jobs...  pays their salary essentially (by requiring us to pay it)...  and then they turn around and lobby for the same assholes to stay in charge or their like minded successors.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:32 | 4236561 Dull Care
Dull Care's picture

I'm astounded that people can't understand such an obvious truth. Same thing applies to everything the government involves itself in.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:03 | 4236213 Oldwood
Oldwood's picture

It walking dead. A zombie that wil not die and eats everything living in its path. Got to cut its head off.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:55 | 4236682 SkottFree
SkottFree's picture

When you give the IRS total access to all your checking, savings and 401K's there is no how to collect payments. They just take the money. So they took 12 payments monthly instead of 1 monthly payment, well bless your little heart were sorry all your checks are bouncing and they are foreclosing on your home repoing your car because of what we did! We will be back next month cause we can just do what we want!

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 15:30 | 4237139 DosZap
DosZap's picture

ROTS O RUCK!!!!!!!!!!!,ROTLMAO,never happen G.I..

Only humor I can see in this is VOTERS are going to REALLY remember this come 2014, and unless the ENTIRE mess is dropped like a hot rock, in 2016.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 11:48 | 4236129 Pladizow
Pladizow's picture

365K terminally ill patients who never would have otherwise been insured!

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:24 | 4236284 Oldwood
Oldwood's picture

I can't help but think of Edward G Robinson in Soylent green. If we accept government subsidies for healthcare, do we surrender our reamins to the state for "recycling"? Even now if you go onto state supported healthcare for an extended peron of time they claim all of your assets against payment of services, and it seems you "clock out" about on pace with your asset depletion.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:00 | 4236438 HerrDoktor
HerrDoktor's picture

going home

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:08 | 4236468 MachoMan
MachoMan's picture

The state thinks so...  you think that when the state is paying for your healthcare, it won't attempt to dictate what you put in your body?  Who cares after you're dead...

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 11:50 | 4236137 Meat Hammer
Meat Hammer's picture

This number will be revised upward to 7 million on or around March 30th, then revised back down sometime after the November elections.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:20 | 4236267 krispkritter
krispkritter's picture

From the BLS: Bureau of Lying Statistics.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:59 | 4236434 CuttingEdge
CuttingEdge's picture

And there's me thinking BLS was shorthand for Bullshit

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:49 | 4236643 Blano
Blano's picture

How much of this number is people who just put something in their cart and never actually followed through?

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:57 | 4236686 SkottFree
SkottFree's picture

They never claimed March of 2014!

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 11:49 | 4236142 gafgroocK
gafgroocK's picture

 

 

Like Obama actually gives a shit?

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:25 | 4236289 Oldwood
Oldwood's picture

You know he loves us all equally, just some more equally than others.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:35 | 4236335 RSloane
RSloane's picture

Yeah, like the Prime Minister of Denmark.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:48 | 4236397 john39
john39's picture

stop. you are making reggie love jealous.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 11:53 | 4236165 Everybodys All ...
Everybodys All American's picture

How do you describe Obama's signature achievement as anything but a disaster unless you actually hoped this fails miserably so that all are forced into the Marxist's single payer system?

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:07 | 4236229 pods
pods's picture

The guy is too stupid NOT to take a fucking self pic at a funeral.  

There ain't no grand plan. Just oodles of leaches buying slimy politicians to rape us some more.

pods

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:31 | 4236312 pods
pods's picture

SOMEONE might be planning single payer, but is sure as fuck ain't chalkie.  

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:07 | 4236462 Husk-Erzulie
Husk-Erzulie's picture

Pretty sure Chalkie don't do much plannin' more complicated than which driver to use, or how many sheets when he takes a dump.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 11:55 | 4236171 Yen Cross
Yen Cross's picture

     Nothing giving away a few million free Spiderman Towels can't fix...

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 11:56 | 4236174 pods
pods's picture

360k versus 800k for medicaid?  Oh this is going to end quite well.

We are now moving the dead body from room to room to say we made them smell better because it's gone.

We are flat ass broke, and there ain't nobody out on Main Street who is going to afford $10k out of pocket for this shit. FFS, people lose their minds when gas goes up a quarter.

I say we pour another brandy and have them play that waltz for us again.  I like that. Ship sinking, poppycock!

pods

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:15 | 4236490 MachoMan
MachoMan's picture

I just look at the problem a little differently I guess...  I understand that there are some major risks in letting the bubble deflate, but I sincerely doubt that medical practitioners the world over are going to take their ball and go home when prices come down to something affordable...  They'll provide services and we'll buy those services...  it might look a little different...  "old" perhaps...  maybe a quarter pig for a small surgery...  a little cash between friends...  but medical services will continue regardless of what happens.  Maybe that new hiv drug isn't available, but the vast majority of things will be, regardless of what happens...  and, even then, we can probably find a way to get any meds needed via informal arrangements.  These things always have a way of working out...  I trust everyone's self interest to be there and see this thing through, as it always does.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:40 | 4236606 pods
pods's picture

I see changes starting. Conscierege doctors and cash based clinics are popping up. Way better model. I have not been to the doctor in years.  Last one I saw I he ended up writing down what I did to solve the issue.  The AMA handcuffs these doctors and limits what they can do. Every now and again you can find one who swims up river (Dr. Fuhrman for one), but the majority seem to accept the allopathic way and none other.  For them, good riddance. At least they are entertaining nutrition in cancer clinics now.  

Our trauma care is tops in the history of the world. Chronic care is like a sick herd of cattle being milked until death, and that is 90% of what we have today.

pods

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 16:22 | 4237338 MachoMan
MachoMan's picture

Cash clinics are starting to get long in the tooth...  most of the folks who broke away early got established with the top shelf clients...  the remainder of the patient pool ain't so hot...

The other aspect is that with such high deductibles, every clinic is basically forced to be a cash clinic...  so, it's going to happen regardless.  No one will have met their deductible and they'll be asked to pay the entirety of their bill before leaving...  for what few insurance companies will be left...  for out of network stuff, the patients will get to send their own claims...  good luck with that.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 18:31 | 4237775 Hongcha
Hongcha's picture

pods, I was on a plane 1 hour out over the Pacific last Nov. when a guy going to the loo crashed straight back like he was poleaxed and fell into me, out cold.  He missed the leading edge of my tray table by 1" or he would have been in much worse condition. 

There was no gauging the man's condition and we were too far out to return in good time if it was critical.  The Captain asked for an MD on board and there was a female American E.R. doc who was just outstanding.  We did not dare move him and I practically had the guy in my lap and held his head up while she ran her checks.  It was a blood sugar problem and he walked away 15 minutes later.

This lady had her shit totally wired together, let me tell you. It was a display of professionalism.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 11:56 | 4236177 ebworthen
ebworthen's picture

Fuck you people.

I'm not paying for an Insurance executive's new BMW or some skank's birth control/abortion.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:17 | 4236255 PrecipiceWatching
PrecipiceWatching's picture

Are you down with financing the "treatment" of the huge, and I mean HUGE, manufacturing of "mental health" conditions.

 

Think unending "counseling", medications and other assorted bullshit for what is, in the absolute vast majority of cases, simply normal variances in human behavior and mood.   

You know, the stuff far superior past generations simply toughened up and worked through.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:19 | 4236266 pods
pods's picture

Create drug>Create disorder.

pods

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:00 | 4236333 TruthInSunshine
TruthInSunshine's picture

RSD* = Restless Legs Syndrome, bitchez!

*Sponsored by Mirapex.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:02 | 4236439 Skateboarder
Skateboarder's picture

Steve Martin calls it "Happy Feet":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnksquL557s

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:26 | 4236538 MachoMan
MachoMan's picture

I realize that it's incredibly romantic to throw psychology away as junk science, but I enjoy being the bearer of bad news...  most of it isn't...  hence the mental health parity act...  among others.

And all those "adjustment disorder" diagnoses people have previously been given are probably going to go away in the new DSM.  Prepare yourself for a diagnosis that won't ever go away...

The problem isn't with mental health practitioners in particular, it's a general problem with all persons who bill insurance...  if you're going to bill insurance then you must have a diagnosis...  and some pay more than others...  and whatever you can tack on while you're at it, then fire away.  Patients are just pinballs in a number generating machine...  bouncing off all the bumpers to rack up a cash score.  The real money on the mental health side is with medicaid and medicare...  private insurance doesn't take as kindly to ancillary fees (e.g. case workers) nor sessions away from your office (tends to increase fraud)...  and often pays much less.

If you go to a good practitioner, then they'll likely turn you away or only take a couple sessions to work through a simple issue (further, you'll likely be paying out of pocket as they probably won't take insurance)...  if you go to a bad practitioner, then you'll be there forever...  or so long as your insurance company will pay. 

I'm also not sure that previous generations "worked through" these things so much as suffered through...  big difference.  We know a lot more about why humans do things now...  and much of it requires culpability to be placed on the parties to improve.  Aside from the fact that today's generations aren't the same, so I'm not sure what the point is...  more ancestor worship I suppose...

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 14:42 | 4236946 BidnessMan
BidnessMan's picture

Until two generations ago, it was work or don't eat.  The average person two generations ago was a lot healthier except for all the smoking.  Life expectancy was lower because of infectious diseases.  The average person today would not be able to do a normal day's work from back then.   

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 15:12 | 4237058 SokPOTUS
SokPOTUS's picture

Agreed.  However, I could be persuaded to change my mind if said skanks made it worth my while...

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 11:57 | 4236185 Lendo
Lendo's picture

Not to mention they count anyone "enrolled" as long as they put a plan in their online basket and don't end up enrolling or purchasing anything.  Hell of a metric I tell ya.

It's amusing that even after moving the goal posts on enrollment, the numbers are still abysmal.

 

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:49 | 4236651 Blano
Blano's picture

That's what I was wondering, how many of those are still just sitting in the cart.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 11:57 | 4236186 all-priced-in
all-priced-in's picture

So what we now have is  -

A person signs up for a plan - that gets subsidized to the point they don't pay anything - and when they  "use" the insurance can't pay the deductible or copay.

We are so much better off now.

 

/sarc/ 

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:25 | 4236288 youngman
youngman's picture

You will see a push by the lefties for a subsidy of the Youth...so they will sign up....costs to the moon

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 15:30 | 4237150 earnyermoney
earnyermoney's picture

Since when is a 26 year old a youth?

with the crappy job market, most graduates are probably on thier parents plan.

 

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 11:57 | 4236189 thewayitis
thewayitis's picture

 

  Sign-up for this and you sign your life away .....If your really hard pressed to sign on, you may wanna read the 4000 pages first...

 

 

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:15 | 4236242 KCMLO
KCMLO's picture

You don't even need to sign up, just create a profile on that website and you send all your current information to DHS and Experian.  You'll then be easily traceable by our lovely federal government AND every creditor you've had.  Look forward also to getting more junkmail than you've had in decades as Experian sells your information to whomever wants to pay for it.  Got my first credit solicitation in over 10 years one month after filling out half of a profile for this fucking thing.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:14 | 4236493 Husk-Erzulie
Husk-Erzulie's picture

Fucking hilarious and Oh so true.  Talk about sticking your head above the parapet...  Who the fuck looks at something like this and doesn't see bullshit and trouble of all kinds? 

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 11:56 | 4236191 djsmps
djsmps's picture

And, of course, The Huffington Post headline is:

1 MILLION ENROLLED IN OBAMACARE

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:12 | 4236237 Meat Hammer
Meat Hammer's picture

Yeah, but read the comments section...even HuffPo readers are starting to wake up.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:33 | 4236318 Everybodys All ...
Everybodys All American's picture

even HuffPo readers, that is really telling.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:37 | 4236346 Meat Hammer
Meat Hammer's picture

They're figuring out that they're the "other guy" who was going to pay for everything. Remember, statist liberals are only generous with your money.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:48 | 4236393 malek
malek's picture

I mostly see bots and trolls in that comment section...

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:39 | 4236354 Meat Hammer
Meat Hammer's picture

Oh, and did you notice the headline looked a little Drudge Report-ish?  Big, bold caps with a picture underneath.  Very telling.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 11:57 | 4236192 PrecipiceWatching
PrecipiceWatching's picture

Not to worry.

 

Just as is the case with the ongoing propaganda regarding economic statistics, the Commie Regime will crap out whatever puffed up numbers it wants, and the racially intimidated, weak Regressives in the Media will report it as a solid fact, and the emerging success of ParasiteCare.

 

See the Nelson Mandela as Liberating Hero horseshit.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 11:57 | 4236195 bankonzhongguo
bankonzhongguo's picture

What the good fairies that never ran a business or met a payroll, but seemingly populate the so-called government fail to understand is that families have to actually have MONEY and hence JOBS (meaning a career-type employment - not burger flipping Wal-mart pie-in-sky sales commission underemployment) to afford any of this fascist nonsense.

The US economy is structurally changed and opening the flood gates to more immigration only drive wages down more.

The elites that destroyed this country HAVE to hand out free food, free medical care and weed to avert a bloody revolution.

 

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:07 | 4236222 James-Morrison
James-Morrison's picture

Which states hand out free weed?

I didn't see that choice on healthcare.gov... (yet)

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:02 | 4236202 1stepcloser
1stepcloser's picture

Man this Ponzi needs madoff...

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:00 | 4236203 papaswamp
papaswamp's picture

So Medicaid v regular plans is running 3:1? Am I reading this correctly? Expect a big spike in Medicaid taxes as well as premiums to make up the increase in Medicaid folks and lack of people paying premiums. Of course technically the exchange people dont have coverage until they actually pay which is one stat we have yet to see.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:05 | 4236219 TrustWho
TrustWho's picture

ObamaCare is a RACIST term according to MSNBC.

Fuck MSNBC, what a minute, maybe that is what is wrong with Melissa Harris-Perry. With her being a Man-Hater, she probably agrees it is James (her husband) fault.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:16 | 4236254 pods
pods's picture

I am thankful that I do not know what channel that is, or any of them for that matter.

pods

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 14:58 | 4237007 redux2redux
redux2redux's picture

It's just the spin-meisters trying to disassociate Obama's name from this train wreck.

 

If for some strange reason, this had been a success, they would be touting the ObamaCare label.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:06 | 4236220 youngman
youngman's picture

The CBO is working overtime as they see all the new medicare enrollees....costs are going way up....they were wrong....and now they have to change their numbers as to what this Obamacarre is going to cost....trillions....and lives too...I feel sorry for the cancer patients in the middle of treatment right now....they are probably deadmen walking right now...

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:11 | 4236233 El Vaquero
El Vaquero's picture

My state is one of the few that was dumb enough to create its own exchange.  I went to check it out back in October, just to see prices and how things were working, and got to the point where I had to register.  I saw that it wanted all of my personal info, and said "Fuck this shit," and quit looking around.  You cannot just browse to see what is going on, which is complete BS.  I will not be signing up, and will instead be waiting to see this train wreck unfold.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:49 | 4236404 chubbar
chubbar's picture

Sorry that I didn't keep the link to my comment but there was software built to allow you to browse without entering your information. That software was taken down on purpose by the administration so that they could advertise more people signing up, which is what you would have been counted as doing if you gave your information only but didn't select any insurance. This decision precludes people from doing what you were trying to do, which is to locate and price available ACA healthcare insurance. These fuckers are the most vile assholes in the world.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:05 | 4236457 El Vaquero
El Vaquero's picture

It's all so fucked up.  I was planning on not getting an Obamacare plan from the start.  I was disgusted with the whole bill before it was even passed.  I was just curious to see what was what.  Putting my personal information in and then not buying is also a giant red flag for those who would wish to fine me for not buying their bullshit approved plans.  I don't need fucking maternity insurance, so I am not going to purchase it. 

Fuck you Obama, you lying scrotum weasel. 

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:22 | 4236527 Husk-Erzulie
Husk-Erzulie's picture

How were the optics on the Mandela funeral?  Did he get a bounce?  Oh wait a minute, alternative media pointing out that Mandela was actually a terrorist and not the second coming of Christ?  We have got to get a handle on this internet thingy, like yesterday...

oh yeah and,  Fuck you Obama, you lying scrotum weasel.

LOL at "scrotum weasel"

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:15 | 4236235 TWSceptic
TWSceptic's picture

Only government can create a product that is supposedly better, mandatory, got all the funding and publicity you can dream, and yet still fail miserably convincing people to use it.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:16 | 4236247 Trimmed Hedge
Trimmed Hedge's picture

"HHS officials said nearly 365,000 people have selected health plans from state and federal marketplaces since Oct. 1..."

Selected -- not purchased...

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:24 | 4236292 OldE_Ant
OldE_Ant's picture

Warm up the 100 monkeys and be sure to get a few truckloads of banannas!

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:28 | 4236299 Doubleth1nker
Doubleth1nker's picture

Don't worry, single payer is coming!  Signups will be mandatory assholes! Putting a gun to people's heads will fix the enrollment numbers!  And if you think its expensive now, just wait 'till its free!  Forward Soviet!

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:58 | 4236431 HerrDoktor
HerrDoktor's picture

single provider is the ultimate goal

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 14:35 | 4236898 BidnessMan
BidnessMan's picture

Single provider was always the goal - have to go through this failure to get there.  "We tried, but it just did not work out.  Gosh darn " .....   the path to HillaryCare v2.0.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 16:38 | 4237383 hidingfromhelis
hidingfromhelis's picture

Funny (not so much) thing, there will pretty much only be a single primary care physician left willing to do the work under the shitty conditions and for the shitty pay when all is said and done.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:28 | 4236301 Freewheelin Franklin
Freewheelin Franklin's picture

You know people like to put things off 'til the last minute. You'll have everybody and their grandmother trying to sign up the last week in Feb. and the website will crash again, and they will have to extend the deadline to August. Then, everyone will try to sign up the last week in July......

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:52 | 4236413 James-Morrison
James-Morrison's picture

Definition: Obamacare Infinite Loop.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:26 | 4236302 FubarNation
FubarNation's picture

IMO the ACA was nothing more than signing folks up for the the FSA.  Medicaid, medicare, SNAP.

When I tried to get infor on health plans the State site wanted me to make 'sure' i wasn't eligible for any freebies.  And until I did it wouldn't let me go any futher.

 

Sign up FSA voters to keep the progressives in power.

 

Mission almost accomplished.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:34 | 4236309 PrecipiceWatching
PrecipiceWatching's picture

This is going to be an incredible mess.  For everyone.

I am a doctor and we are already seeing patients absolutely lose their minds when they are educated (unfortunately by us, in clinic), about their now new high deductible coverage.

Additionally, this is only the environment, PRE-RACIST CARE, as struggling companies under the Communist economic desert have cut back on their employee health care coverages.

As ALWAYS, this behemoth government intervention is only going to make things incredibly worse.

Even us in the professsion have a hard time grasping the full repercussions of this sea change in the delivery of medical care.

My advice: Go black market with your Rxs and to the extent possible, your medical care.  The concierge thing has possiblilities but what makes people think that the thieving Marxists are going to let successful, self-responsible people enjoy superior medical care just because they are willing to pay for it with their own money?

 

 

 

 

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:31 | 4236563 Blood Spattered...
Blood Spattered Banner's picture

I read an article a few days back saying that in order to combat the re-admittance penalty (If someone is re-admitted for same condition, no Medicare/Medicaid payment to provider), some doctors are now refusing to admit some patients due to their ailments having a higher chance of re-admittance.  Have you experienced anything like that or heard similar?

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 14:32 | 4236869 BidnessMan
BidnessMan's picture

Medical Tourism.  A $1,000 plane ticket and $500 for hotels and meals, and save 50% - 80% of the cost of medical care.  Anyone quoted more than $3,000 for a test or elective procedure is money ahead.  I was in South America for other reasons, and spent a day getting a full physical.  US trained doc who practiced in the US for 10 years, modern medical equipment, plenty of nurses and support staff.  Full spectrum of blood tests, cardiac stress test performed by a real doctor, abdominal ultrasound, X-Ray of an old high school football neck injury, and full physical exam - all done in one day with a pre and post exam consultation with the doc.  $410 cash money total.  

No insurance forms, pre-requisites, sign your legal rights away, or permissions from other docs or insurance companies needed.  And nothing ever shows up in any US Medical Database. God forbid a doc in the US finds something - blacklisted for life for life insurance and medical insurance for a "pre-existing" condition.

Will never go to a US-based doc again if i can possibly avoid it.  Plus a nice vacation in a nice city with a negative net cost compared to US health care.  

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:36 | 4236320 Pig Circus
Pig Circus's picture

This may help the economy short term. Hear me out..

We know 6 million plans have been canceled and that's with just 29 states and DC reporting so the real number is like 10 million plans. ( still waiting for a report why 41% haven't reported including Texas). Most plans have multiple people so guesstimate is 20 million people. I suspect maybe half at best will sign up for O'CommieCare. So we will have like 5 million plans eliminated at say a savings of $500 per month or $6 grand a year times 5 million equals $3 billion annual increase in personal income. Offset by the few dopes that sign up for O'DummieCare whose rates have doubled.

That's winning is a country ruled by Commie, Ball Washing, Marxists.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:35 | 4236328 starman
starman's picture

OBAZOMBIE CARE.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:35 | 4236330 overexposed
overexposed's picture

Wow, Birinyi's Ruler can be used to estimate ACA enrollment, too?  We're taking this sucker TO THE MOON, baby.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 12:44 | 4236367 NoTTD
NoTTD's picture

The most important question, which is never addressed in the 'official' numbers, is what % of the 'enrollees' signed up for Medicaid as opposed to a paid policy?

 

Early numbers from some states put this in the 80 to 90% range.    

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:04 | 4236448 The Carbonator
The Carbonator's picture

I would like to know how many have actually PAID.  Signing up is one thing, but who has been stupid enough to drop down a Credit Card on that scam.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 14:04 | 4236707 Boiling Frogs
Boiling Frogs's picture

Likely no one. The word is that as of two weeks ago the software hadn't even been written that deals with getting payments from enrollees to insurers.
It appears the only thing .gov has done is created a billion dollar sign-up sheet.

Never send a boy to do a man's job.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:10 | 4236478 holmes
holmes's picture

I hope, nay I pray that that O'Care is the biggest disaster since the Hindenburg.

Does that make me a racist? Well so be it.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:13 | 4236489 Seasmoke
Seasmoke's picture

Patience. Nothing a few drones over 7million kitchen tables, can't solve. 

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:20 | 4236519 Catullus
Catullus's picture

Or maybe that 45 Million uninsured Americans number has been bullshit for well over 25 years when Hillary Clinton spewed it during the first Clinton term.

And just to show I hate both gaggles of thieves, Obamacare is essentially what the republicans proposed as an alternative in early 1990s.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 14:21 | 4236804 Boiling Frogs
Boiling Frogs's picture

I hate to defend the otherwise indefensible, but just because a few republicans proposed a plan that included an individual mandate in 1993, doesn't mean they proposed Obamacare.
The proposal never made it out of committee. From what I gather that most republicans didn't support it even 20 years ago.
I have a hard time believing that anyone could have fucked this up more than our half-assed man child, POTUS.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:33 | 4236577 Joebloinvestor
Joebloinvestor's picture

The Obama administration is just expanding the lies.

Like the US gold "holdings" which the US counts "in reserve" the UNMINED gold on federal land.

 

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:38 | 4236595 Hongcha
Hongcha's picture

I keep trying to sign up but I get bumped off the library computer.

Is there a form I can download?

Then I will mail it in Return Receipt Requested, on Security Paper.

I hope they can read my handwriting.

Is there a Navigator who can speak in the Shanxi Province dialect?

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:37 | 4236597 SKY85hawk
SKY85hawk's picture

What's all the fussin about the Debt?

If all 7 million people get coverage and the full Tax credit they're giving out 1.15 month's QE-x. 

That's $98 billion directly into the economy.  Isn't that better than giving the money to insolvent banks?

 

I leave it to smarter people than myself to discuss how much Tapering could be used to fund THIS increase in the economy.

 

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:51 | 4236652 Catullus
Catullus's picture

Touché.

Those are tax credits given to insurance companies (padding their profits and corporate bonuses). Since the govt is running a deficit, they have to issue new debt, created out of thin air by those insolvent banks and used as collateral to leverage even more.

Long sports cars and expensive ivy league educations to brat children of corporate executives.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:51 | 4236653 f16hoser
f16hoser's picture

365,000! Is that a lot? TEE HEE HEE.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 13:59 | 4236693 SkottFree
SkottFree's picture

The MSM is trying to spin the 110,000 sign ups in November as a fantastic result.

So that would bring the total up to 110,015!

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 14:13 | 4236773 joego1
joego1's picture

Fuck this shit! I'm going someplace with better health care like Swaziland.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 14:32 | 4236874 ItsDanger
ItsDanger's picture

Well its the holiday season, time to recruit Santa.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 14:50 | 4236970 TPTB_r_TBTF
TPTB_r_TBTF's picture

everything is going "better" than planned!

 

"Their" plan (for state-mandated health insurance) is going much better than even "they" would have expected.

 

Yawl do realize(?),

"They" have to completely ruin the health-care industry, so that "they" can provide "their" solution.

Which the sheeple will beg "them" for.

 

everything is going "better" than planned!

 

just not better for you.  but that was never part of "their" plan.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!