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The IMF Wants You To Pay 71% Income Tax

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Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,

The IMF just dropped another bombshell.

After it recently suggested a “one-off capital levy” – a one-time tax on private wealth as an exceptional measure to restore debt sustainability across insolvent countries – it has now called for “revenue-maximizing top income tax rates”.

The IMF’s team of monkeys has been working around the clock on this one, figuring that developed nations can increase their overall tax revenue by increasing tax rates.

They’ve singled out the US, suggesting that the US government could maximize its tax revenue by increasing tax brackets to as high as 71%.

Coming from one of the grand wizards of the global financial system, this might be the clearest sign yet that the whole house of cards is dangerously close to being swept away.

Think about it– solvent governments with healthy economies don’t go looking to steal 71% of people’s wealth. They’re raising this point because these governments are desperate. And flat broke.

The ratio of public debt to GDP across advanced economies will reach a historic peak of 110% next year, compared to 75% in 2007.

That’s a staggering increase. Most of the ‘wealithest’ nations in the West now have to borrow money just to pay interest on the money they’ve already borrowed.

This is why we can only expect more financial repression from desperate governments and established institutions.

This means more onerous taxation. More regulation. More controls over credit and capital flows.

And that’s only the financial aspect; the deterioration of our freedom and liberty will continue at an accelerated pace.

Can a person still be considered “free” when 71% of what s/he earns is taken away at the point of a gun by a bankrupt, bullying government? Or are you merely a serf then, existing only to feed the system?

This is why we often stress having a global outlook and considering all options that are on the table.

Because the other side of the coin is that while some countries are tightening the screws and making life more difficult, others are taking a different approach.

Whether out of necessity or because they recognize the trend, many nations around the world are launching new programs to attract international talent and capital.

I’ve mentioned a few of these already– economic citizenship programs in places like Cyprus, Malta, and Antigua (I met a lot of these programs’ principals at a recent global citizenship conference that I spoke at in Miami).

Then there are places like Chile and Colombia which have great programs for entrepreneurs and investors. Other places like Georgia and Panama have opened their doors to nearly all foreigners for residency.

Bottom line– there are options. Some countries are really great places to hold money. Others are great to do business. Others are great places to reside.

The era we’re living in– that of global communications and modern transport– means that you can live in one place, your money can live somewhere else, and you can generate your income in a third location.

Your savings and livelihood need not be enslaved by corrupt politicians bent on stealing your wealth… all to keep their destructive party going just a little bit longer.

The world can truly be your playground. You just need to know the rules of the game.


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Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:13 | 4241944 LetThemEatRand
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Why are these proposed increases in taxes always tied to income instead of capital gains realized during polo matches by guys that never worked a day in their lives?  Oh, right.

And now, for some Polo trivia:

What are all the people doing out on the field at halftime?

It’s customary at polo matches to invite the public onto the field at halftime to tread in the divots kicked up by the horses.  The custom has a practical as well as a public-relations value: the field is repaired for the teams by the time they begin the second half of play.  It’s not clear who was the first enterprising club manager to realize he had an abundant and cheap grounds-keeping crew at his disposal, but old-timers will tell you the job used to be done by hired help.  In the 1920s, for example, laborers at the polo clubs tapped in the divots after every period with a tool resembling an oversized croquet mallet.  Between games, wives of the polo grooms, many of whom were immigrants, could be found on hands and knees cutting dandelions and other weeds from the field.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:12 | 4241952 rbg81
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Oh, well, no problemo--as long as its just ONE time.  [/s]

Seriously, these assclowns can eat shit and die.   Of course, they'll probably try to do it by other means.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:16 | 4241960 LetThemEatRand
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Official IMF (and Fed) slogan:   "su casa en mi casa"

Translation:  "your house is my house"


Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:25 | 4242001 Boris Alatovkrap
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In poor countryside village, "su casita est mi casita". ("You are shack is my shack")

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:25 | 4242004 Boris Alatovkrap
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In Washington, "casa blanca est casa de crack addict chief executivo"

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:30 | 4242024 Anusocracy
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Job of the useless idiots at the IMF: fixing the world's economies until they all are totally destroyed.

On schedule as of 2013.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:45 | 4242065 edotabin
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Not until a law is passed that says the government can only spend 80% of what it collects in taxes. The 20% goes to pay down debt until it is zero.  Once zeroed out, the law will allow only for surpluses to be run by the government from now and in perpetuity.


Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:56 | 4242114 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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edotabin says: "Not until a law is passed that says the government can only spend 80% of what it collects in taxes. The 20% goes to pay down debt until it is zero."


You need to understand that America generates a HUGE amount of wealth. There is plenty of money to keep everyone healthy, clothed, sheltered and well fed, with plenty of money left over.


But you forget one thing: most of the money confiscated, either through taxes or inflation, goes straight into the pockets of government bigwigs and government employees. So you are asking them to voluntarily cut down on what they've been taking from us.


... Do you see the problem there?



Thu, 12/12/2013 - 23:05 | 4242138 dick cheneys ghost
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most of our 'so called wealth' is stolen from the ROW thru the reserve currency Dollar and the petro-dollar........we'll see how 'exceptional' we are when the dollar dies.........

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 03:04 | 4242648 Manthong
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There might be some merit to this strategy as it should produce a 99% reduction in the existence of bankers, state deciders and functionaries.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 05:05 | 4242726 zhandax
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Simon is starting to sound like Ronnie Ray-gun.  I guess you have to be over 40 to remember that Carter had a top tax rate of 79%.  It had been on up there since WW2.  Ronny came in while the guy Carter told to get inflation under control (Volker) was sticking it to everyone (but savers) with high interest rates.  When Ronnie cut taxes, it created the 80's boom.  It is impossible to repeat that performance due to 1). top tax rate now is only 39%. 2). Top 1% didn't make almost 20% of income in 1980.  3)  Regulatory capture to enrich the top .01% didn't blossom until Glass Stegal repealed.  4) government spending wasn't responsible for 40% of GDP.  5). There were a few thousand less federal regulations on businesses.  6). There were still people who hadn't recognized the Ponzi and were still willing to create new businesses.

Hey Simon, come on down on the floor with the rest of us and realize that the last thing .guv will do before the implosion is to soak the wallet fags.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 05:41 | 4242766 Occident Mortal
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The author has confused wealth and income.

Let's be clear. There are 2 kinds of 'rich people' there are people with a lot of wealth (lots of assets), and there are people with high incomes.

These people are NOT the same.

Historically governments have taxed income much more aggressively than they have taxed wealth. This makes it far harder for average people to accumulate any wealth and it protects people who already have wealth.

Also it slows the velocity of money as it allows considerable wealth to stagnate.

The other crucial thing to understand about the tax system is that individuals pay tax on their GROSS EARNINGS. Whereas corporations pay tax on their NET EARNINGS.

So individuals pay large income taxes on their gross income, making it difficult for them to save and invest.

Wealth is not taxed at all and can be invested in corporations where again the wealth is not taxed and income taxes (corporation tax) is only paid on the net income, making it very easy to retain the wealth.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 06:13 | 4242783 zhandax
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I will take one exception to your claim, at least in the US; wealth is taxed at death.  But there are planning techniques to avoid the brunt of the effect if, with a sufficient estate, one is aware and employs good attorneys; and there are ample tax-advantaged opportunities to transfer wealth prior to death.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 06:44 | 4242806 GetZeeGold
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IMF<----- who says America doesn't support terrorism?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 07:46 | 4242851 negative rates
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Convince your money manager of that, he'll want you to get your fix somewhere else, and once you are dead and gone it is too late to abide by your wishes, the probate ponzification then takes over because, we went to school and got a doctorite just to take your money when you die and manage it for your kids. Because they don't have a high level finance or psychiatrist degree either and so someone needs to help them with their finances, or we got a miserable medication for them if they disagree. 

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 07:03 | 4242827 Serenity Now
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Occident Mortal,

Every sentence in your post is wrong.  Start over.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:17 | 4242900 j0nx
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I see nothing wrong with his post other than your comment stinking it up.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 10:22 | 4243127 zerozulu
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Very soon discussion will be, "how much sheeple should be allowed to take."

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:43 | 4242933 Bangin7GramRocks
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So hypothetically, let's make it all wealth across the board. And for shits and giggles let's say it was iron clad without any loopholes. Many of the poor dummies on here would still be against it. I call it Joe the Plumber syndrome. Every poor dummy thinks that some day he will be filthy rich and he will want it all to himself. Simpletons.....

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 19:00 | 4247095 Blankenstein
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Don't forget about all of the write-offs that were available back then, especially to the very wealthy. 

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 02:54 | 4242635 edotabin
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Love it or hate it a government is necessary and some taxes need to be collected. The fact that this has been warped, distorted and ballooned into a 17 T nightmare is strictly based on mismanagement, misdirection, outright theft and a rigged system of money creation.

I am not expecting them to voluntarily do anything. They haven't done so for so many years, why would I think they will start now? Love him or hate him Ron Paul has been spoken about currency debasement in congress multiple times. There is ZERO chance they don't know what they are doing.

I am hoping that through knowledge and awareness their tricks will no longer fly. Progress is slow but awareness is reaching critical mass.

On the other hand, it just may be a ploy to scare off more companies or make America even less competitive so as to provide the final blow and send the country into chaos. Between the way Obamacare is going and a 71% tax bracket, businesses would probably favor Zimbabwe.


Fri, 12/13/2013 - 05:11 | 4242741 zhandax
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When you understand the difference in a tax and a tariff, please come back.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 06:46 | 4242807 GetZeeGold
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Is there an option C?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 07:11 | 4242825 zhandax
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Sure.  Grab your ankles.  O prommised.   Just close your eyes first.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 13:35 | 4243762 edotabin
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When you can get past quips, let's talk.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 16:29 | 4244388 Parrotile
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Taxes, Tariffs, Duties, Levies, "Adjustments" - all "different words" for the SAME Thing - removal of EARNED income / Profits under duress.

HOWEVER, someone has to fund all the "Invisible Services" which are of no interest to the Private sector (too little profit perhaps??) and that "someone" is usually the Government.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 09:45 | 4243050 Sean7k
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Your first paragraph is a perfect example of cognitive dissonance. You recognize the effects of government and taxes, but remain ignorant of the cause. Worse, your blanket statement has zero basis in fact. Prove that government and taxes are necessary. Then progress to your solution. Unfortunately, since government and taxes are the problem, your solution will always be composed of caveats. 


Fri, 12/13/2013 - 13:03 | 4243624 edotabin
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Understanding something and understanding its chances of implementation are two different things. I think to go to a zero tax / small government environment quickly will not happen without major, major upheaval and change in the way this country is run.

 The government will not end the fed without many election cycles and us voting in peple that clearly want to do it. Besides, assuming they end the FED, there is a crooked culture in Washington. Their spending habits revolve around concentration of power and not necessarily facilitating the daily needs of the economy and the people. Removing the debt associated with each dollar would be a huge benefit but they will find a way to screw it up. As the power of central banks increases around the world and the foundations for a global currency qre being laid, how much value would this newly created, debt-free dollar have? If for nothing else but spite, you will have trouble buying bubble gum from another country. They will claim, that the Fed was dumped because we ran deficits so as to reduce credibility. They will claim we defaulted.

This has to be backed up and unraveled slowly. That's why I proposed balancing the budget and running only surpluses in government, legally bind them to that.  Over time this will weed out the crooks and crooked culture. There will be no room for play.  Once you establish this and the crooks are weeded out, you can go to honest money creation.



Fri, 12/13/2013 - 13:21 | 4243731 robertocarlos
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Well then, just shoot the fuckers dead.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:51 | 4245332 XitSam
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You didn't answer the question, why is government necessary?

And why does it have to be unravelled slowly?

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 00:18 | 4245821 ManOfBliss
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False. The government is not necessary.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 02:05 | 4242582 i-dog
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So, if they increase taxes by 50% [each year], they can increase spending by 50% [each year]? I think they'll go for your 'plan'.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:46 | 4242071 Boris Alatovkrap
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On other side of coin,... never is mind, taxation rate excess of 50% is leave no other side.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 01:04 | 4242493 BlackChicken
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71% will be considered a good rate, once our guns are taken away after the "Great Crash of 2014".

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 01:23 | 4242519 DoChenRollingBearing
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Want to keep your liberty?  Gold and gunz, fishez!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 10:50 | 4243195 Citxmech
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Hell, they're already up to about 50% if you factor in both income tax and add in the 'inflation' tax. . . 

What's another 20%?


Fri, 12/13/2013 - 00:26 | 4242389 KickIce
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Boris on roll in ZH casa.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 07:49 | 4242873 GetZeeGold
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Boris has diplomatic immunity....he can do stuff we can only dream of.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:30 | 4242010 mofreedom
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I'm sorry, I'm not of this planet and thus am an illegal alien, alien and thus not bound by your earthly international rules and you owe me asylum because I am a poor alien.

Where is that turn-coat Paul Ryan when I need him.


No Paul Ryan!!!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:37 | 4242043 Anusocracy
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My brother denies being related to me and claims that I am from a parallel universe - the Analverse.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:45 | 4242075 mofreedom
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Christ, bless His Holy Name, knows we can use this crap in the court of law because the court of law loves illegals and there's plenty of precendence for all of us to claim we are illegals and get a free pass.

Oh, I'm sorry, I was brought here to the US by the CIA from communist East Germany (which I was) and given to a family that had just lost their baby child.  I have been using his ID since I was two months old.

Have Havoc?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 03:12 | 4242645 edotabin
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You are capable of interstellar travel... and you chose to deal with humans? We have got to be the some of the most backward beings in the universe. Trade your food stamps  and other government goodies for star fuel (or whatever you use) and go find a decent, properly-evolved species 2-3 light years away. Run while you still can.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 07:09 | 4242832 StandardDeviant
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Yes; in fact, we're "so amazingly primitive that [we] still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea".

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 16:37 | 4244430 Parrotile
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Two to three ly places you towards the (presumed) outer edge of the Oort cloud. Our nearest star (Proxima Centauri) is 4.2 ly and to the best of our current knowledge, has no obvious planetary system, within its "goldilocks zone".

Any "evolved Species" living in the Oort cloud will certainly come under the "It's Life, Jim, but NOT as we know it" classification!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:32 | 4242027 philipat
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IMF staffers of course are exempt from paying Income tax. The hypocracy is quite staggering.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:37 | 4242048 Anusocracy
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All of those asswipes should be paid in lead.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 23:04 | 4242137 The Gooch
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And that right fucking soon.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 00:17 | 4242369 post turtle saver
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... and the lead should be delivered by air

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 00:46 | 4242439 SnobGobbler
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...and righteous intent!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 00:32 | 4242407 MrButtoMcFarty
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I hear tell that lead cures this affluenza bug quite quickly....

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 04:41 | 4242718 Kirk2NCC1701
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Does MF in IMF stand for Mutter Fickers?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 11:38 | 4243366 STP
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And add "Idiot" for the "I" and you've got a pretty good description of these guys: "IMF" = "Idiot Mutter Fickers"!

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 18:56 | 4247080 Blankenstein
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Stupid ideas abound when the IMF is run by a lawyer. Mr. Christine Legarde was trained in law - not business, economics or math, but law.  Even if the govenments weren't full of cheating, thieving, lying snakes, a pack of lawyers isn't going to know shit about running an economy.  

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 00:19 | 4242096 Ignatius
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"Translation:  "your house is my house" " -- LTER

This is exactly right.  The problem is never the money and banking system, the problem is presented as us...

"See, if you pay us all your excess capital to us as interest, above bare necessities, the system will work great."   -- the club.

Michael Hudson pointed out that periodically in history the sovereign would forgive the debts (a reset) and life would go on.  But the oligarchs don't want to forgive the debts, hence QE, bail-ins, high taxes and such.  In other words, we got a better deal from the Kings of antiquity than we get from these modern, 'progressive' oligarchic fucks.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 16:47 | 4244469 Parrotile
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Historically, the number of days one has had to work "for the King" or their equivalent has gradually crept upwards, and is now far removed from the 1/10th of income (tithing) which was the accepted rate through much of the Middle Ages.

This is an interesting site -, and you can modify the "Tax Freedom" chart (which dates back to 1929) to show the breakdown of taxes.

It is interesting to note the direction in which Corporate taxation has beed heading since 1951 . . . . .

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 06:53 | 4242814 Svendblaaskaeg
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71% - the "Gimme half Your shit" + VAT

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:49 | 4242087 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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A ONE time tax??


As if.


Show us a tax that has been only ONE time.  For that matter, show us a tax that hasn't ratcheted up over time.


What was the income tax supposed to be capped at? And Social Security? How'd that work out?


These gov't jamokes created this problem. Let them fix the problem. On their own!  We can eat popcorn and watch.



Thu, 12/12/2013 - 23:10 | 4242159 bonin006
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Income tax was supposed to be a maximum of 3%, and that would only apply to millionares.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 04:50 | 4242723 Kirk2NCC1701
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Time out, guys. Who really cares how high the tax rate gets for the 0.1-1.0%?

You think THEY get worked up about YOUR tax rates? Dumb Sheeple!

Stop being the "Useful Fool": This is only of relevance to the Top 0.1%-1%. IOW, "Friends of Simon".

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 06:20 | 4242757 zhandax
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Ever heard of project creep?  The fed douchebags invented it long before IT.  The income tax was originally only supposed to affect the .01%.  Amazing the (un)??intended consequences of the planned 2% per year inflation.  Reference the exponential equation.  Ronnie Ray-gun's tax rate modifications along the way appear intended to stave off the inevitable collapse for another 30 years.  Time's about up.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:52 | 4245346 XitSam
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Why should the government get the Federal Reserve Notes, no matter what the source?  You're saying that to steal from high income people is ok, a populist argument, but not a moral one.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 23:04 | 4242136 Groundhog Day
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71% tax for the wealthy, yet the man running the show, Christine laggard has a 500k salary TAX FREE along with all kinds of perks that go with the job.  Fuckin hypocrites.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 00:45 | 4242442 Meat Hammer
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You're far too kind.  These people are the most vile form of carbon-based lifeform on earth, complete sociopaths, and deserve nothing less than unspeakable suffering.

There...that's better.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 07:25 | 4242850 spankfish
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"yet the man running the show, Christine laggard"... I like what you have done there.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 14:16 | 4243948 Zero Debt
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If only the transgender were in charge.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 23:28 | 4242216 VD
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make it 100% even and let's get this fucking party started! REVOLT against all these venal bureaucrats, IRS thugs and gov scum....

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:39 | 4242926 Seer
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"All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State." - Albert Camus

Sigh...  Better:

“You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” - Buckminster Fuller

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 16:53 | 4244494 Parrotile
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I don't think the current Global Hierarchy are keen on competition.

Remember they (and they alone) have the "tools" to enforce their will on us, not vice versa.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 09:50 | 4243065 Watauga
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71%   What do we believe it to be in the U.S. today?  I can tell you that by the time I plug in all the taxes, fees, and wealth redistribution characterized as something other than taxes and fees, I pay DAMN NEAR 71% of my income to some government or another (even if I pay it directly to a school (e.g., a state university) or a company (e.g., EXXON) to benefit someone else).

Federal and State income taxes.  Social Security and Medicare.  Increased premiums of Obamacare (yes folks, THIS IS A TAX).  State PERSONAL PROPERTY tax on all cars, boats, etc.  Real estate taxes.  Nearly 10% sales tax.  Gasoline, alcohol, and other excise taxes.  Redistributive college tuitions for two children (I pay for all students at State U through State taxes, then pay 100% of my own kids' tuitions, and, by paying MORE than the cost of my kids' own educations, I am paying about another 100% for the educations of other kids (statewide)).  Hidden taxes and fees (check your cable tv, internet, cell phone, hotel, airfare, and other bills).  

The problem is that here, the monied interests want to steal massive amounts of your money in Federal (i.e., GLOBAL) income taxes alone, and that added to that amount will be all of the other theft, above.  We are talking about a real tax rate of about 99%.

If my taxes go up much more--or if my Obamacare tax goes up much more--I am simply quitting work.  Right now, I am working about 2/3 to 3/4 of the year so the government can steal my money and give it to Wall Street, Capitol Hill, and the masses of easily-bought, uninformed voters who suck the life blood from working Americans.  We are damn near the tipping point.  The horrors that follow will be all too real.  It is not WALKING DEAD and it is not "Wolverines!"  It is mass slaughter in the streets using the surveillance and weapons technology hoarded over the last five to ten years.  

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:31 | 4242020 mofreedom
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Beauce Cap Gains have already been taxed at the corporate income level.

You like doublin up with men from the IRS I see.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:34 | 4242034 philipat
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In theory. I suggest you check out how much income tax US Corporations like GE actually pay.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:37 | 4242051 mofreedom
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I hate GE since Welch left and I don't give an F about how much they pay in tax...the principle of doudle-taxation is the issue not whether the tax rules are "fair".


Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:46 | 4242072 Anusocracy
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The only fair tax is a voluntary tax.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:48 | 4242082 mofreedom
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That doesn't even make any sense.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 23:44 | 4242260 philipat
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GE has paid precisely ZERO US Corporate tax for the last 5 years. So where is this double taxation you are refrring to?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 00:52 | 4242460 OneTinSoldier66
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"That doesn't even make any sense."


You've probably never even heard of anarcho-captialism. But to a statist, it would never make sense.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 01:07 | 4245899 ManOfBliss
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No dipshit.

Actually he's correct.

There is no such thing as a "voluntary tax". It's a contradiction in terms.

Tax implies force. Therefore it can't be voluntary.

The end.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 16:49 | 4246911 Anusocracy
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It was meant as no fair tax exist - because it would be based on force.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 01:04 | 4242484 Anusocracy
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You support whatever you want, I support whatever I want.

Nothing could be fairer than that.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 01:17 | 4242511 Dantzler
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Makes perfect sense to me. I support public radio in Seattle (kexp) so I have other than shit commercial options to listen to.  I didn't consent to support the free toilets for hookers & druggies that we took a staggering loss on though. Let people pay for what they value. Crowdsourcing government anyone? 

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 01:08 | 4245902 ManOfBliss
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it's not a tax if it's voluntary. It's a donation to a charity.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:57 | 4242116 RaceToTheBottom
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Welch is, was, and will be a dickhead.

A man has got to know his limitations....

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 23:05 | 4242139 mofreedom
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The earliest thing I remember about him was him saying that, after his emps should cross-train accross the company, 10% were untrainable, worthless drones that needed to get there butts kicked to the curb, and were thusly kicked square in the arse.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 00:27 | 4242394 RaceToTheBottom
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Neutron Jack....

Management by the numbers, and get paid billions for it.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 04:13 | 4242692 tvdog
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the principle of doudle-taxation is the issue not whether the tax rules are "fair"

This "double taxation" argument is how corporate taxes ended up so low. Now the fact that corporate taxes are so low compared to individual taxes is one reason why small business is disappearing - which was the goal all along, of course.

Corporations should not even exist, let alone be privileged above real people. In addition to tax advantages, corporations have advantages over people with respect to liability, bankruptcy, and patents and copyrights.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:47 | 4242936 Seer
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I agree, though the notion of "corporation" is OK (as much as it leaves a bad taste in my mouth).  The Founders (US that is), expected that corporations have to renew themselves on a yearly basis and that they have to demonstrate utility to their communities/nation: someone else might be more capable of providing more concrete wording on this.  Corporations can allow groups of people to pass along something whereas as individuals they wouldn't have much to pass on, not like, that is, families of dynasty.

Again, I offer no "solution," especially given that things WILL change dramatically- basing "solutions" on/against what exists now is kind of like shooting at a moving target, with blindfolds on...  Just, more or less, wanting to pass along that family dynasties can be every bit as bad as corporations, and the very wealthy families are able to manage laws in their favor.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 23:08 | 4242150 The Gooch
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Slightly on topic and just because: Shannon Watts (founder of moms demand action) was former G.E. Healthcare and Monsanto propaganda spout.  


Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:57 | 4242110 FredFlintstone
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You beat me to this point. I make a buck, get taxed by all levels of government and then buy a stock with what is left. Now I can be prepared to be taxed all over again.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 23:07 | 4242147 mofreedom
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If you even know what a stock is you should be taxed at 91%.

God bless us all to Mars.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:46 | 4242053 TomGa
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Oh yeah, the halftime Clod Stomping.  The challenge is to not spill your drink on the field while running around stomping the clods.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 23:00 | 4242122 greenbear
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The IMF can kiss my Bitcoins, Bitchez!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 23:20 | 4242191 williambanzai7
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Thu, 12/12/2013 - 23:46 | 4242262 LetThemEatRand
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Fuck.   LeatherfaceClaus got me a chainsaw for Christmas.  Again!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 10:58 | 4243210 putaipan
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is that a ukrainian riot control or horror show reference? have it clockwork oranged and you can both ways.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 02:17 | 4242601 holgerdanske
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And the head of the IMF, pays,   tah taaahhh, NO TAXES!


Lagarde is not just a synchronized olympic swimmer, she is also a slippery eel.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 05:24 | 4242750 Serenity Now
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"Why are these proposed increases in taxes always tied to income instead of capital gains realized during polo matches by guys that never worked a day in their lives?"


Your class envy is so unattractive.  Do you truly believe what you just wrote?  The overwhelming majority of capital gains are from working people's investments.  Not the polo boys (an insignificant minority).  

Who cares if they've never worked a day in their lives?  That's none of your business.  You are the worst kind of statist.  You think stealing from the rich is virtuous, even though most of the rich have worked very hard for their money.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:49 | 4242944 Seer
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Thanks for protecting the silver-spoon gene pool! (you can further help by railing against "Death Taxes")

NOTE: I'm only pointing out FACTS, I'm not supporting "govt" or anything/anyone else.  If the facts are uncomfortable then I've done my job (made people think).

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:03 | 4244551 Parrotile
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I think you will find that many of the "Not so Rich" and "Borderline Poor" have had to work equally hard for what's left of their money too.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:04 | 4242886 Nothing but the...
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Along with all the other world monetary authorities, the IMF is a failed organization. Where the fuck were they when all the economic shit was happening around the world, that gave rise to the current global  troubles. Such an organization needs visionaries - not a bunch of useless reactionaries. FUCK EM!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:52 | 4242945 Seer
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"Such an organization needs visionaries"

Why do I need ANYONE giving ME visions?

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:09 | 4241945 Possible Impact
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No thanks.


Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:26 | 4241998 ArkansasAngie
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I'm good with taxing Bailoutees and tarpsters.  Warren Buffet was the single largest receipient of tarp funds.  He would be bankrupt without the handout.  So ... by all means tax his ass -- 99.9% would be a good place to start.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:29 | 4242011 Boris Alatovkrap
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But, but, but, when Mr. Buffet is play self in bath tub, he is save AmeriKa (and world) from financial collapse! Please give Mr. Buffet for more tax break!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:29 | 4242015 asteroids
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The IMF is full of morons that can't add/subtract. You could tax everyone to 100% and you STILL wouldn't balance the budget. Amerika spends FAR more than it takes in every year, and it gets worse. One year, inflation will take off and then it'll be game over for the G10.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:44 | 4242069 RaceToTheBottom
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Doesn't have to make sense and certainly doesn't mean balancing the budget. 

All they are trying to do is convince the peons that they are riding tough on those evil rich people, the ones that make more than 40K. 

They they will print the shit out of the dollar and sell their souls to every fucking lobbyist that ever thought of asking for a favor.

You didn't think they were trying to find a solution did you?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 10:31 | 4243155 zerozulu
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Concept of TAX makes no sense when wealth is created by Ctrl-P.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 12:59 | 4243660 harposox
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Regardless of the IMF's rhetoric, this has nothing to do with balancing budgets. It's about wealth extraction and permanently cratering wages.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:10 | 4241946 Stockmonger
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Simon Black, International Man of Mystery

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:12 | 4241949 mayhem_korner
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Should 5% appear to small, be thankful I don't take it all.  'Cuz I'm the Taxman.  I'm the Taxman.

(G. Harrison, R.I.P.)

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:12 | 4241954 Truther
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Lagarde.... Fuck you and your looney tunes.

That bitch is praying for something to go right up her skirt.... The frenchie.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:33 | 4241974 LetThemEatRand
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She has a dual purpose.  I heard that the Ukrainian police needed chainsaw training, so they called in Leatherface Legarde and voila.  Crowd control extraordinare!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:14 | 4241955 gafgroocK
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I will agree, but only if the IMF people who thought this up are in line ahead of everyone else, first.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:15 | 4241958 steelhead23
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Why not simply have the government issue the money it spends?  Taxes would then be used to take money out of circulation to control inflation.  Besides, if they wish to tax all of my income in excess of $250,000 at 71%, I'm absolutely fine with it.  Let Warren pay it.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:15 | 4241967 jamesbbkk
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These IMF guys and gals are exempted from income tax and grossed up on FICA?

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:19 | 4241978 nmewn
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Molon labe, Lagarde.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:20 | 4241981 401-Kulak
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If 70% is good, wouldnt 100% be better ... on a semiannual basis?

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 23:02 | 4242134 Oldwood
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Exactly! Why can't the cowards just say it....they own our asses and all money is theirs, and what we earn, what we think we possess, is simply on loan or rented to us so as to allow us the delusion of liberty, of some childish fucking dream that if we work hard and play by the rules of honesty and integrity we have a shot, not at a big house or other trapping of wealth, but simple liberty and the sense of freedom and independence.


Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:23 | 4241984 seek
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Tax rates mean nothing. It's all in how income is defined. All at 71% rate would do it make small businesses -- the few that are left -- collapse in a heap of dust while larger corporations keep buying Gulfstream Vs for corporate travel that just happens to include billionaire shareholders; those planes are expenses, mind you, so no tax is paid.

God am I growing tired of this raise-the-rates scam.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:53 | 4242099 tsuki
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I read where the banks want to change the tax code for credit unions because they are "unfair" competition. 

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:39 | 4242925 Oldwood
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Competition is always unfair when the "wrong" people win.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 07:14 | 4242841 Serenity Now
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I'm growing tired of the class warfare BS.

Those planes are JOBS.  Corporations PAY for those planes whether you like to admit it or not.  And they certainly pay taxes along the way. 

You anti-corporate people are idiots.  You have no idea what you are talking about.  

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:53 | 4242947 Oldwood
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The thing that is bad about corporations is their ability to dominate a market and suppress competition. This is mostly due to their influence on our government to perpetuate the too big to fail mentality. The fact that these oversize players largely fund the political process is not a small factor either. Basic free trade competition was largely embraced by our founders but as with anything that could be perceived as fair, there are always those who seek to circumvent the rules or find specific advantage in them to otherwise unintended outcomes. Lawyers fit this description pretty well and it is no small coincidence that they dominate our government. No big shock that Obama is a constitutional scholar. Who better to understand how to manipulate and bend it to his will? Corporations are not necessarily evil anymore than a politician, its just that the power they wield makes corruption a much greater risk than the population at large. Centralized power is to be resisted in all forms, government, corporations and especially finance, and those who claim the superiority of powerful organizations for the sake of efficiency and moral justice are ultimately the greatest enablers of corruption that exists.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:56 | 4242955 WillyGroper
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Who bought all three branches of .gov?

I junked ya, Moron.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:59 | 4245353 XitSam
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"the US government could maximize its tax revenue"

What I'm tired of is this concept that government should maximize its revenue.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:22 | 4241988 sixsigma cygnus...
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Well I'm certainly going to re-examine my choice of candidates at the next IMF elec...oh, right.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:24 | 4241989 michael_engineer
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"The IMF Wants You To Pay 71% Income Tax"

That might be grounds for new terminology.  The "Wage In".  And isn't the IMF part of the push on the "Bail In" mindset?

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:29 | 4242013 NoDebt
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They are, indeed.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 00:20 | 4242366 michael_engineer
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Maybe the grand plan is to do Bail In and Wage In at the same time, with a side order of Bail Out.  It may come down to something like that or the Executive Order.  Or maybe the Executive Order is on board with all of it at the same time.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:23 | 4241991 Smegley Wanxalot
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Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:27 | 4241995 NoDebt
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You know what?  TRY IT, motherfuckers.  Just TRY IT.  Keep shoving people hard enough against the wall and they WILL eventually fight.  No matter how lazy, stupid or "indocrinated" into what you think is your control wheelhouse.

My greatest hope is that criminal front organizations like the IMF have to push their agenda, by financial necessity, faster than people will slowly acclimate to it and make the one big mistake that all total-control regimes always seem to make: over-playing their hand and causing rebellion.  

Make them do it, Simon.  We know you're an international super-spy.  You can pull this off.



Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:45 | 4242077 22winmag
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I agree... the index fingers of just .01% of armed Americans could force every government thug to crawl face down in the dirt or risk getting their heads shot off.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:15 | 4244622 Parrotile
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Those "Government Thugs" all have priority access to very significant Military backup (which you have kindly paid for!). Their heads will be the last to depart by a wide margin.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 23:17 | 4242183 Oldwood
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They keep pounding at us, killing off our economy and sources of income, all the while threatening us with higher taxes, healthcare bills, fuel costs and restrictions on what we can even eat, so ultimately we will be thankfull for what little they let us keep. They will continue to wage war on the wealthy but as with any war, it is the privates who suffer the brunt of the battles while the generals and their aids sit safely in their command centers. We are and have been in retreat for many years. we are nearing the point where our backs are against the wall. We are reaching the point where it doesn't make much difference in what we do. Our only threat is to hold a gun to our own head and threaten to shoot if they don't back off. As their goal is domination, it might work.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:12 | 4244600 Parrotile
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Since the clearly stated goal of the likes of the Gates Foundation (and others) is "Global Population Management", it mght not be such a great idea to offer them this opportunity!

"Shoot? Go Ahead (one less "useless Eater" to pollute "our" Planet!)"

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 05:38 | 4242762 Gold Eyed Cat
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Yep.  I am finding it almost impossible to even give a rat's ass anymore.  They are all lying pieces of crap, hell bent on draining every last drop of blood out of the working class.  And when it's no longer worth it, we'll just quit... and go fishing. 

I just wish my grandmom was still around.  Jeeze, there are so many old skills I could have learned from her.   In my thirties now and I can't even make decent bread from scratch.  I can however, filet bass like a pro.  And everyone knows catfish are better whole.  So when the ponzi collapses, the bread here will suck but the fish should be delicious.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 05:51 | 4242774 Adahy
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Many of the old skills can still be found online by people who refuse to let the knowledge die.  Seek them out.

And keep at it with the bread.  A strong, active yeast culture is vital.  Keep it well fed.  Other than that, patience + attention + experience = good bread.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:59 | 4242961 WillyGroper
Fri, 12/13/2013 - 12:17 | 4243496 Gold Eyed Cat
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Adahy and WillyG,

I do enjoy searching out guides on survival and cooking skills, but sometimes its hard wading through the million pages of crazy to find the really useful info.  Your reply and link are much appreciated!  Thank you.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:20 | 4244647 Parrotile
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Secondhand Bookshops, and classics such as Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.

So should "it all collapse" you can still read how to do it - if necessary by candlelight (making candles is also included in this fabulous text - a "Survival in Comfort" Manual from the Victorian Era!!)

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:28 | 4242016 Yen Cross
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    I say we lock all the IMF and UN delegates/degenerates in that empty JPM gold vault with a lifetime supply of Brawndo® and the newest version of Monopoly to play for eternity.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:30 | 4242017 Randoom Thought
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Maybe the IMF should go back to debt enslaving and corrupting small countries with uneducated people. It is what they do best.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:50 | 4242090 tsuki
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That is why they are afte the USA.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 02:18 | 4242606 holgerdanske
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Good one! hat off.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:30 | 4242023 Hail Spode
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Genesis 47 "23 Then Joseph said to the people, “Indeed I have bought you and your land this day for Pharaoh. Look, here is seed for you, and you shall sow the land.  24 And it shall come to pass in the harvest that you shall give one-fifth to Pharaoh. Four-fifths shall be your own, as seed for the field and for your food, for those of your households and as food for your little ones.”


The Bible classifies a 20% tax rate as a condition of "servitude" or slavery" in Genesis 47.   In America, we are taxed 36% and we call it "freedom".   The IMF wants to take 71% and call it freedom.  

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:35 | 4242045 mofreedom
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Back then Jews were content with GOD....D.

That's GOD'D

God Bless God!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 23:01 | 4242124 FredFlintstone
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Back then the temple was the house of government so that 10% was basically the tax of the day.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:34 | 4242033 RaceToTheBottom
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Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:35 | 4242039 q99x2
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F them. If they don't get Yellen to up my FASFA I'm leading a student march on the Hamptons.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:35 | 4242042 Billy Shears
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Yes, but only if your principle function is printing little pieces of paper with green ink on them; and all Wall St. investment or other types of TBTF banks.

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