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South Carolina Is About To Pass A Bill To Nullify Obamacare

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

While we all know that the disaster that is Obamacare is extremely unpopular throughout the country, South Carolina is leading the charge to actually nullify the legislation. House Bill 3101 already passed the state House back in April by a wide margin, and is set to be voted on in the state Senate in January. It is widely expected to pass and then be signed into law by Governor Nikki Haley.

If that happens, it would set up a huge states rights victory and likely encourage other states to follow suit. It will be extremely interesting to see how the feds respond to this…

From the Daily Caller:

A bill set for fast-track passage in the South Carolina Senate in January aims to eliminate Obamacare in the state. The law could become a model for other states fed up with the federal health-care law.


House Bill 3101, titled the “South Carolina Freedom of Health Care Protection Act,” passed the state House of Representatives last April by a 65-34 vote. The bill now heads to the GOP-controlled Senate with special-order priority, setting up the likelihood that South Carolina will become the first state to exempt citizens and businesses from all participation in the Affordable Care Act.


The bill’s main component prohibits agencies, officers and employees of the state of South Carolina from implementing any provisions of the Affordable Care Act, leaving implementation of the national health-care law entirely in the hands of a federal government that lacks the resources or personnel to carry out the programs it mandates.


This provision, according to Davis, comes from the anti-commandeering doctrine established in case law that says feds can’t compel states to enforce federal laws.


Additional provisions of H3101 further neuter the Affordable Care Act by outlawing state exchanges, issuing tax deductions to individuals equal to the tax penalties levied by the federal government, and directing the state attorney general to sue over whimsical enforcement of the law. Taken together, the provisions effectively repeal the federal law for the people of South Carolina.


Given the sizable majority of Republicans in the South Carolina Senate — along with moderate Democrats who may support the bill out of fear of voter wrath — H3101 is likely to pass in short order and be signed into law by Gov. Nikki Haley, who has led the Palmetto State’s resistance against nationalized health care.


On the other side are opponents of H3101, whose main efforts consist of calling lawmakers racists and questioning the authority of states to oppose federal laws. Such attacks are likely to ring hollow in light of the dozens of state and local governments that have recently rejected federal marijuana laws, the Real ID Act, provisions of National Defense Authorization Act, federal gun control, and even U.S. immigration law. State and local governments governed from both sides of the political spectrum are increasingly flexing their Tenth Amendment muscles against perceived federal overreach.

Strong argument. Someone disagrees with you and all you can yell back is “racist!” Sad.

Full article here.


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Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:05 | 4239683 So Close
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The states will be shown to have no rights.   The federal government is all powerful.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:07 | 4239700 Boris Alatovkrap
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Sovereign right of individual state... hmmm, maybe is write document to protect such concept!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:09 | 4239706 Skateboarder
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Wow, that's worlds away from Colorado's utopian Brosurance and Slutsurance.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:14 | 4239719 Pladizow
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Subject on Fox:

If passed - Say bye-bye to any and all South Carolina Federal Funding!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:20 | 4239757 Sonic the porcupine
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Fox news, a bunch of warmongering statists. The loss federal funding could sting (since the South Carolinians are getting back less of what was taken from them), but as bad as Obamacare is, it might be worth it?

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:25 | 4239771 Landotfree
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And SC can withdraw from all the agreements Medicare, Medicad, and SS... which would in turn make it impossible for the federal government to collect taxes in the state.

Go look into your State code, your state has voluntarily entered into those programs, they can just as easily get out of the programs... first State to withdraw their agreements will be the biggest winner.


Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:46 | 4239897 Colonel Klink
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Yep, and watch the population of SC skyrocket as everyone flees there to avoid the Feral Federal Government draconian abuses. 

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:55 | 4239939 NIHILIST CIPHER

"South Carolina is about to pass a bill to nullify Obamacare" ............ How many of these nullify articles have you read and NOTHING ever changes? Don't get too excited about this one either, just sayin.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:58 | 4239949 jbvtme
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with fort sumpter now a national park, any one want to guess what gets nuked in south carolina?

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:10 | 4240014 Joe Davola
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This law will stand about as long as it takes for the 4th circuit to issue a stay on it.

state law stands as an obstacle to the accomplishment and execution of the full purposes and objectives of Congress


Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:14 | 4240049 Landotfree
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It has nothing to do with Federal law.   There is nothing stopping anything.  I have no idea why States have not dropped their SS agreements... I mean the federal government would still be obligated in sending out payments but it could no longer collect.   What you fail to understand is most of this is done by agreement from the States... without an agrement than the Federal government is mostly sitting at the border.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:19 | 4240069 Steve in Greensboro
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As the divine Florence King wrote, "if at first you don't secede, try, try again."

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 14:00 | 4240279 Husk-Erzulie
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An entire generation of American youth  will enter their productive majority years as Libertarian Constitutionalists, Agorists, and flat out Anarchists all with a conservative, individualist, sovereign citizen orientation.  ALL BECAUSE OF THIS MAN AND HIS UNBELIEVABLY INEPT AND CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION!

This wanker is single handedly setting the socialist agenda back at least a generation.  He is burying the Democratic party, AND THEY SEEM POWERLESS TO STOP HIM:-))))


Best thing that could have happened...

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 15:50 | 4240484 dracos_ghost
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And yet he was elected -- TWICE by the American Youth in resounding numbers. No one cares in the the United States of Solipcism.

Who needs enemies when the Dems have the Repubs(aka John "Cry me a river" Boehner and Paul "I'm a fucking RINO bitchez" Ryan). 2014 sees Nancy Pelosi back as Speaker of the House and Obama as Der Fuhrer II.

Where's a collision course asteroid when you need one.


Case in point.

Jeezuz, I need a drink.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:25 | 4240120 SilverIsKing
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Other states that are contemplating something similar should move quickly and join SC.  An SC failure will prevent other states from attempting to extricate themselves from Obozocare but if several states join forces, they have a better chance of success.


Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:45 | 4240218 Headbanger
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Oh say like...   Texas maybe!!?   Alaska too!  And I bet Georgia and North Carolina are right behind em too.

In fact, I think Nebraska,  Iowa and Rhode Island already did this.. But nobody noticed.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 15:54 | 4240688 All_Your_Base
Thu, 12/12/2013 - 15:57 | 4240693 SilverIsKing
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That's before anyone knew what it was.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 15:59 | 4240695 halfawake
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Didn't TX have the most signups?

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 14:36 | 4240405 Crash Overide
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The people have spoken and they don't want Obamacare.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 16:15 | 4240746 odatruf
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Most of the most recent election outcomes would dispute that level of clear thinking (or speaking) by the people,..

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:35 | 4240162 Quantum Nucleonics
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Stop this silliness.  FICA taxes collected by businesses are sent directly to the Treasury.  The states can't block the cash flows, even if they wanted.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 14:13 | 4240322 XitSam
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 I have no idea why States have not dropped their SS agreements... I mean the federal government would still be obligated in sending out payments but it could no longer collect. 

Good grief. SS was a law passed by congress, it can be changed by congress.  Watch how 49 other state's legislators jump on the bandwagon to "defend" SS.  And since SS is a pay as you go program, they will justify cutting off benefits to SC because SC isn't paying! SC isn't ready to make SS payments on their own. This will force the people not getting benefits to storm the statehouse and get it changed.  

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 16:24 | 4240779 odatruf
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SC (the State) has zero ability to stop payments to SS other than those they collect themselves as an employer. All of the employers in the state, however, could chose to defy the IRS and federal law and stop withholding and remitting those payments.

Since SC (the State) isn't really going to be able to do much to protect the citizens who do defy the Feds, don't hold your breath. This does not mean that SC (the State) can't put a significant roadbloack up for the ACA via nullification and other obstructions; they can.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:29 | 4240141 Headbanger
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The Republic of South Carolina returns??

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 15:39 | 4240647 BeansMcGreens
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Let us hope it is Myrtle Beach during Atlantic Beach Bikefest. Two birds with one stone you know.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 14:09 | 4240274 Hal n back
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watch Texas and some other states follow in SC footsteps--


we will have choices


I was CFO of a company years ago and ideas for benefits etc. were run thru me for logic, payback (in a real organization you do not do a thing unless there is a payback-even benefits are designed and implemented to retain good employees).

But payback and cost are paramount in a real organization and obviously the federal govt does not utilize the term payback unless its in the political sense, not the financial sense.

I also guess payback shall not be used in terms of paying back the US debt (unless inflated away)





Thu, 12/12/2013 - 14:34 | 4240391 toxic8
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Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:47 | 4239900 Landotfree
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Federal government turns off funding.   Imagine this, SC:

- Withdraws from SS

- Withdraws from Medicare

- Withdraws from Medicaid

- State banks no longer require SSNs

- Driver's license no longer comply nor share data

- Shutdown water, electricity, and basic services to any federal government operation

- Cut off all other agreements including law enforcement

- Tell all Medicare patients to seek medical help across the border

- SS payments would still have to go to SC SS beneficiaries.

- Jack up toll roads for non-SC drivers and for rail, good luck getting something from Florida to New York.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:12 | 4240022 JoBob
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Landotfree:  I dunno 'bout all that. Seems like the last time SC did something akin to blocking the roads, the Feds sent General Sherman and his Blue Boys down for a long tour through the state.

On the other hand, it might set an example for the more timid.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:21 | 4240087 Landotfree
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You don't block roads, who said that?  Not me.  NYC is charging $100s for trucks to go across bridges.   No different. 

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 15:50 | 4240191 dick cheneys ghost
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Altho trucks should be charged.

Knowing how much damage they do to the roads

O......what the hell do I know

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 14:33 | 4240385 Dangertime
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I wouldn't doubt some of the "red boys" stuck up in blue land might havve South Carolina's backs if such an event were to occur.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 14:55 | 4240476 JoBob
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@Dangertime:  One can hope friends are on standby! Most people would be surprised how many of those Good 'ol Boys in the South have those black, funny-lookin' guns and actually think they might come in handy someday.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:10 | 4240024 odatruf
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SC cannot withdraw from SS and Medicare.  Medicaid, perhaps.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:21 | 4240094 Landotfree
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SS payments go to individuals not States.   I have no idea why States continue to contribute to SS, they should withdraw.   

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:43 | 4240208 dick cheneys ghost
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landoffree..............your thoughts are very interesting.........thanks for contributing........the comment section has been kind of stale since 2010 and since francis was banned

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 16:40 | 4240833 odatruf
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The only contribution the states make to SS is for their employees, just like any other employer. And some staff who were working for many of the states before the 1986 reform might still be exempt from SS and in a similar state or country run system.



Thu, 12/12/2013 - 18:24 | 4241260 Parrotile
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"Dear Recipient.

Your State has unilaterally elected to no longer support Federal Financial Support Programmes (such as Social Security / Medicaid); as a consequence of this decision, the Federal Government has elected to suspend payments to individuals registered as residing within your State, until such time as your State renegotiates support of such Federal Programmes.

For further information on your State's plans to offset this individual funding change, may we suggest you initially contact the offices of your State Administration.

Best regards,

Your Federal Government"

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:19 | 4240080 kill switch
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Shut down all I.R.S. offices and tell them to stick the 1040 up their ass!!!! NO MORE MONEY DC!!! That should spread....

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 16:57 | 4240918 Neo
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There is a way..just follow the written.


Wed, 12/18/2013 - 09:55 | 4256791 kill switch
Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:23 | 4240104 Grinder74
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I would just love for some state governor or secretary of state to exercise eminent domain on any buildings or land occupied by the feds.  

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 18:35 | 4241300 Parrotile
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Well, the "next step" could be the deployment of the National Guard "to restore Law and Order". Assuming that the rebels didn't just crumble (which they probably will), then the Federal Government might choose to escalate further (full blown Military action, with the full, blanket - coverage "assistance" of the mainstream Media depicting the "rebel State" as just that - a "rebel" movement that "severely threatens stability Country-wide"), or maybe the choice will be to shut off all Federal services (including all infrastructure services, and all services provided by adjacent States) thus imposing significant hardships at the individual level, as a means of "encouraging to locals to return to the fold".



Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:27 | 4240118 patb
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Okay.  What happens.

1) The Feds shutdown all the military bases and federal buildings.

2) The Post office closes and ceases delivering mail to SC.

3) With the Federal Reserve office in Savannah closed, the Local Banks are cutoff from FedWire.

4) South Carolina Drivers are now prohibited from driving in the 49 states without an international drivers license, a

passport, a visa.  

5) Trucks entering South Carolina need a border inspection.

6) Oil Pipelines to SC are stopped.

Some significant new highway construction starts around SC


Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:38 | 4240189 disabledvet
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why would oil pipelines stop?

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 15:03 | 4240507 dracos_ghost
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Regulation of interstate commerce. No ticky no oily shirty.

16th ammendment cock blocks the states. SCOTUS pretty much classified Obamacare as a federal Tax.

Obamacare is here to stay, God help us.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 17:24 | 4240953 TuesdayBen
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If parts of OCare have been illegally postponed by Odoofus, then why can't states postpone the whole putrid mess... If top federal executive can flout and fail to enforce the law, why can't top state executives - governors...

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 17:46 | 4241108 Neo
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Dred Scott

'nuff said

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:42 | 4242929 Pumpkin
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Wow!  Someone who actually reads and comprehends what that 'dredful' case was all about.  Tip of the hat to ya buddy.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:39 | 4240195 Headbanger
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Let's see now..


!)  So what and good riddance

2) FedEx, UPS, e-mail

3) Bitcoin

4) Not true as drivers' licenses are issued by each state.

5) Stupid idea

6) Oil pipelines  are privately owned.

7) Welcome to the Republic of South Carolina.  $1000 fine for littering.  $2000 fine for lack of carrying firearm.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 17:54 | 4241137 unrulian
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-1 for bitcoin ...+1 for stupid idea... + 100 for firearm- lack of carry fine... gives you a net of +100

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 18:50 | 4241371 Parrotile
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Republic of South Carolina deemed to be a "Rogue State", especially in view of the freely available weapons issue.

Effective border controls imposed (so effective delays on ALL road movements into and out of the State).

The pipelines may be privately owned, but the "owners"  will be well in the pockets of the Federal Government, so the pipelines WILL be shut down - unless the Owners fancy jail time for "various charges" - one of the main useful features of the NSA I believe . . . .

Republic deemed "hotbed of terrorism and fomenting insurrection" - so THE No 1 destination for the Domestic Drone programme. ("Killing off the problem population is a price worth paying", or so we're told by the "Good and the Great"!).

Effective and complete control of ALL information emerging from the State. Internet, telephony and wireless traffic ALL either jammed, or deliberately suppressed / real-time edited.

Nationwide disinformation campaign - just like the ones run by the US to "manage" public opinion on Russia, Iran, Iraq, China, North Korea . . . . .

Your move . .

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 18:57 | 4241409 Esculent 69
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have to go to work. but ill part with this. we as free people will find ways around this. are you going to give up and go down the road of the orwellian shithole that is the rest of the world. or are we going to fight these attempt at our liberties with every ounce of breath we have? 

Live free or......yeah you know.


esculent 69

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 19:23 | 4241499 Parrotile
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"Free People"??

Tried boarding a 'Plane or Train in the US recently??

Live within 100 miles of any "Border", i.e. in the "Constitution-free" zones??

Tried ordering any pressure cookers or backpacks from EBay or Amazon of late??

I strongly suspect this Carolina event is an "Allowed distraction", specifically targeting those who might be a "problem" to the Federal system in the future. No easier nor better way to "shake out the insurgents" than to deliberately provoke them, as has been shown to be the case many, many times in the past.

Incidentally, "the rest of the World" is far from an Orwellian shithole. It is worse than it need be (thanks to US Government mandated spying) but life elsewhere is pretty good. We all look forward to more juicy revelations of unwanted and unwarranted US interference, courtesy of one Edward Snowden . . . . .

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 14:17 | 4240328 Hal n back
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caution needs to be exercisd--cause if this moves from a targeted action on Obamacare to be broader then SC pulls out of the Union

The message though is there are decent federal programs but not all programs.IMO most everyting s/b done at local level--as it goes higher layers of incompetant uncaring overhead gets added to cost more and screw up the process.


Again, if people were in business you understand the value of small business units getting their jobs done.Just following general rules like when monthly financial reorting is due in and in what formant-Otherwise go off and run a profitable business and you will not hear from Corporate.




Thu, 12/12/2013 - 14:29 | 4240381 Sean7k
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LOF, as much as I love your enthusiasm, SS and medicare are federal programs and affect individuals as taxpayers. There are no state banks, all banks are part of the Federal Reserve system, a private corporation. The bank contract you sign to open an account is designed to abridge your rights as a non-resident alien citizen of the State of South Carolina and allow the Federal government to force you to pay taxes. Further, the currency is theirs, if the banks withdraw, what currency would they use? 

Federal government operations are part of the federal zone. Any action to restrict their access to utilities would be considered an act of rebellion. Raising toll fees would be a restiction against interstate commerce. 

This action by SC is within its' possible range of legal actions. While I woud applaude any and all attempts at secessation by a state(s), there would be consequences that may be beyond what most people would tolerate. 


Fri, 12/13/2013 - 01:51 | 4242557 Tapeworm
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The centgoo has it covered. The sheriff of any county is the top law enforfement guy of that domain. That is why the centgoo has militarized the cops.

 A real sheriff can tell the Feds to disarm and forget about their usurpations, but that has only happened in a tiny number of counties in flyover country.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:25 | 4239775 SafelyGraze
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what's the worst that could happen?

it isn't like the federal government would carry out a military operation against an individual state, duh


Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:32 | 4239816 maskone909
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could be the swan we have been looking for. 

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:32 | 4239818 DaveyJones
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Are insurance and drug companies on the terrorist watch list yet?

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:41 | 4239876 nevadan
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"what's the worst that could happen?

it isn't like the federal government would carry out a military operation against an individual state, duh"


Hmm....  It looks like S.C. has forgotton Sherman's lesson.  May be time for a refresher course.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:51 | 4239911 Landotfree
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It is well within the Rights of the State to control State issues.   The Agreement is still being followed.   SC could start turning off basic services to Federal government buildings and installations.  Tax federal government employees at 90%.  :)

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:08 | 4240009 LawsofPhysics
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Thu, 12/12/2013 - 14:35 | 4240402 Max Cynical
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Thu, 12/12/2013 - 18:57 | 4241411 Parrotile
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So the Feds will provide their own security, and will have free rein to decide on the appropriate level.

With the idea that ALL the State Resident will be obliged to follow an "Open Carry" policy, then the Feds may well deem an enhanced level of security and readiness will be called for, which translates to a "Shoot first, ask questions later" policy.

Remember just who has been buying up ALL that hollow-point ammunition of late ? ?  . . . . . .

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 15:13 | 4240546 nevadan
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Hmm again.  Apparently my sarcasm was a little to subtle judging from all the down arrows.  The  point being, the Federal government has waged war on states.  South Carolina was especially singled out since they fired the first shots.  As far as the states controlling state issues, those issues are all things not expressly given to the Federal government in the Constitution.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:54 | 4239934 Fedaykinx
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the south will rise again



Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:04 | 4239985 Motorhead
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Long The South...LOL.

P.S. - Bitchez!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 19:08 | 4241438 Parrotile
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Another Civil War is what America does NOT need right now.  Bearing in mind that there is a good consensus that the "Official" casualty toll was a significant under-estimate, , any war today resulting in a similar percentage of casualties would see 6.2 million dead.

That's 6.2 million working-age individuals who have family responsibilities.

Hmm - what a "convenient" was to "improve" the employment statistics . . . . .

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:53 | 4239938 stant
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that would be great for us treasuery bonds

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:06 | 4240007 Cow
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Great point.  If a few tax producing states decide not to send their hard earned Fed bucks to DC, those bond rates will take off like the 4th of July.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:16 | 4240048 odatruf
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By what mechanism is SC going to withhold payments to the Feds? State revenue departments don't collect and remit for the IRS, it is done directly.


Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:34 | 4240170 Mike in GA
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Individual business owners collect and remit state and federal income taxes through payroll withholding. 

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:54 | 4240254 odatruf
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True, but then it is the business owners and not the state doing the heavy work. And it is their heads on the chopping block.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:05 | 4239999 mumcard
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I guess instead of hordes of European immigrants to put straight into a blue uniform, it'll be Mexicans and Somalians.  I like our chances.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:12 | 4240039 El Vaquero
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Many of the Mexicans who are willing to fight are the type who might just fight really fucking hard.  It's not the in your face machismo for the sake of machismo types that will do that.  It's the reserved type who are cool and have strong family values.  Trust me on this one, we want those types on our side. 

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:25 | 4240108 mumcard
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So then White southerners will be fighting everyone that doesn't look like them.  Maybe the gov can promise La Raza a chunk of the southwest for their help.  The balkanization of America can get started in earnest.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:31 | 4240144 LFMayor
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I find your terms agreeable, sir.

Lets get started, shall we?

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:27 | 4240132 patb
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Somalis with AK-47s vs Good Old Boys with Shotguns.  Guess the good part is both can build Technicals

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:59 | 4240272 tenpanhandle
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Good Old Boys have much more than shotguns.  Shotguns are just their side arms.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 19:28 | 4241515 Parrotile
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The Somalis have real battlefield experience. And there are a LOT of them.

Add in other "African-trained" potential Guerilla combatants and "The Good Old Boys" are in for a very nasty awakening.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 23:26 | 4242169 August
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>>what's the worst that could happen?

The worst "easy" thing that could happen to an uppity State would be to lose all its electrical substations. Selective drone attacks would have little in the way of direct human casualties, yet would be extremely persuasive to all residents who didn't look forward to a permanent 19th Century lifestyle, and economy.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:23 | 4239765 WhyDoesItHurtWh...
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If you like your "anti-commandeering doctrine" you can keep your "anti-commandeering doctrine".

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:30 | 4239817 Gringo Viejo
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I'm reminded of Shelby Foote's story about the fleeing Union private during the 1st Battle of Bull Run. In a headlong, panic he was confronted by a Union officer on horseback. The officer pulled his pistol and said "Stop son. Don't you love your Country?" To which the private replied "Yes sir. And I'm tryin' to get back to it just as fast as I can."

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:39 | 4239856 mumcard
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If SC couldn't fund welfare and food stamp programs all the parasites would be forced to leave.  SC could blossom.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:47 | 4240231 mumcard
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Think of the hordes loading up and spilling into the neighboring states.  Overloading them.  Just like the Katrina refugees.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:11 | 4239714 nope-1004
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Osamacare is nothing but a tax grab - the largest tax increase in US history!  It is sold as "care", but the reality is quite different.



Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:22 | 4239761 JohnnyBriefcase
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We have increased your Care ration up from 30 to 25!
Rejoice, citizen! Prosperity for all!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:42 | 4239878 jbvtme
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Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:49 | 4240237 Boris Alatovkrap
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You are government mathematician.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:36 | 4239845 DaveyJones
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did you steal that from the Supreme Court?

sick isn't it

call me crazy but I don't mind paying some taxes for necessary things that don't give criminals money and fuck up the economy more 

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:45 | 4239873 jbvtme
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Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:50 | 4239913 Colonel Klink
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Yep, another way to try to increase taxes today to prop up things before they collapse.  Applies to the Federal government coffers as well as the insurance and medical industry looting.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 15:43 | 4240655 NeedtoSecede
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Nailed it @nope.  This "law" added 17,000 IRS agents, but not a single doctor or nurse.  Healthcare my ass.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:33 | 4239826 kralizec
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Sounds familiar...but I think the Statists have a new game plan - do what they want to do how they want to do it any time anywhere...seems to be working because nobody is stopping them.

Look for the Fedcoats to punish South Carloina immediately...all Fedcoat aid to be cut off, Fedcoat/State coordination to cease...then Erica the Holder will run to Fedcoat courts and demand a swift hammer to come down on this uppity state that still foolishly believes it is living in a Republic...

Pick a side people...and like most things there is only one right moral ethical sensible answer!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:11 | 4240023 t0mmyBerg
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Fedcoats.  I like that alot.  I will be using that in my own writings if you do not mind

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 16:52 | 4240894 seek
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Surprisingly the term was coined in 2001 in a rap lyric, then suddenly reappeared leading to heavy use by Lew Rockwell at the start of the year.

It's a great turn of phrase, I suspect we'll be hearing it a lot more in the future.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:41 | 4239867 ZH Snob
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any grief the states can give the feds is a move in the right direction.  the feds usurped states rights as outlined in the constitution long ago.  now that they've become a lawlessly brazen gang of tyrants the states are rising up one by one and opposing them.  this trend will only increase with time as their fake money becomes worth less and less.  then the real value of things and the enforced laws will become increasingly more local as they should.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 14:38 | 4240412 fallout11
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Yes, but South Carolina attempted to exercise such a right previously (twice, if you count the aborted 1836 attempt), and it sadly did not work out too well for either the state, the people, or the nation as a whole.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 17:44 | 4241098 shiftless
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Third time's the charm.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:09 | 4239704 Newsboy
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Can I have a pack of KOOL filters and a lottery ticket with that?

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:12 | 4239713 TeamDepends
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Nope, that's when the lead starts flying.  The Barry train is coming off its rails.  With the revelation that Bill Ayers wrote "Dreams From My Father" yesterday, Valerie and co. are in panic mode and we're lovin' it!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:32 | 4239820 Ignatius
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"With the revelation that Bill Ayers wrote "Dreams From My Father"..."

Could of got that one right with the eyes closed.  One gets the sense that there is little, if any, core principles with Obummer.  In other words, the consumate modern politician.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:45 | 4240225 Boris Alatovkrap
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Bill Ayers maybe is disembodied spirit author, but who is finance book... Manchuria Global.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 14:44 | 4240427 Herd Redirectio...
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Frank Marshall Davis, the true father of Obama.

Bill Ayers, the true author of Obama's biography. 

Whats next, people will say he is well known in Chicago bath-houses?

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:59 | 4239931 Colonel Klink
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I'll repeat again, my schadenfreude has been really acting up lately.  And I'm lovin' it!

It couldn't be happening to a nicer bunch of federalists!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:37 | 4239851 AGuy
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Interesting! South Carolina was the first state to Sucede from the Union in Dec 1860! Will SC again be the first to leave the Union again?


Thu, 12/12/2013 - 15:59 | 4240704 stormsailor
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and chesterfield county sc was the first county to send a letter of secession to columbia.  i have the gavel from the county convention that drafted and sent the letter.  my family were farmers there from 1768.


a diary from dixie by mary chestnut boykin, describes my relatives as "sand hill tackys" because they didn't build huge houses and dress up in the latest fashions nor have servants or fancy carriages.  very frugal people.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:38 | 4239853 azzhatter
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Good, now please nullify that Lindsey Fucking Graham asshole

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:59 | 4239963 Fail2Deliver
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Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:28 | 4240127 Overfed
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Just need to repeal the 17th amendment.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 15:17 | 4240553 NeedtoSecede
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Don't forget to repeal the 16th while you are at it...

Ya'll know I am loving this shit!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 14:13 | 4240316 Husk-Erzulie
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Yeah, good point.  That statist piece of shit might be in kind of a pickle if SC starts kicking off the .gov traces.

...he hasn’t faced re-election since the Tea Party brought principled conservatives and libertarians to the forefront...


Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:42 | 4239869 LawsofPhysics
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"The federal government is all powerful." -  Last time I checked marijuana was "illegal" in the Fed's eyes, how's that working out?

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:11 | 4240019 Jumbotron
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South Carolina will be defeated in the courts just as they and the entire South were defeated in the Civil War.

If you want to nullify Obamacare the only way to do it is with armed force.

Nothing else will succeed.  And even then......they would lose.

Welcome to Prison Planet.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:20 | 4240071 mumcard
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With that defeatist attitude why do you even continue living?

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 14:47 | 4240436 Herd Redirectio...
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Bugs Bunny educated us all as kids, "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em"

No, thanks, Bugs.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:30 | 4240140 LawsofPhysics
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That might be the case for SC, not for a state like Texas, with a booming economy, numerous natural resources, and many military instillations controlled by Texans.  The Feds can be the bully only as long as the resources (human or otherwise) are available to do so.  Tick tock motherfuckers.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 14:39 | 4240416 Blano
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Texas folded like a cheap suit over the TSA.  Just sayin'.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 15:49 | 4240677 Blues Traveler
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Blano, you are correct.  Perry is a RHINO

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:16 | 4240051 tempo
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It takes a village. I am sorry for posting the same info on my grandson. Some think its my daughter who is responsible for his entitlement attitude but I think its the village.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 15:19 | 4240568 doctor10
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IMHO the states have let Fed.Gov continue its orgy in DC far longer that anyone could have imagined;

'bout time to shut it down


Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:04 | 4239685 Ignatius
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First to secede again?

What's the news from Fort Sumter?

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:21 | 4239755 Zymurguy
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That's what I was thinking too... "this means war!"

I think it would only take one state to do it and others would follow fast... secede that is.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:48 | 4239903 chunga
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Oh man...please let me live long enough to see that day.

Then I'd have at least a little hope for my kids.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 14:19 | 4240336 Husk-Erzulie
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Would that I had more than just one greenie

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 14:48 | 4240441 Herd Redirectio...
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I've held the view for some time now that the US will be balkanized.  The NE, the Midwest, the South, the Pacific Northwest, and Calimexico will all be sovereign states within 20 years.  Fingers crossed.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 16:33 | 4240803 machineh
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Balkanized = liberated

Off to buy chocolate bars and rose petals to welcome the militia ...

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 18:13 | 4241196 chunga
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Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:05 | 4239991 Colonel Klink
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And come to the defense of a fellow state being attacked by the Federal govt.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:19 | 4239756 dick cheneys ghost
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plenty of DRONES overhead

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:24 | 4240101 mumcard
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NC has First in Flight, SC can be First to GTFO

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:04 | 4239686 Occident Mortal
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Federal Government to ban states.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:10 | 4239711 B2u
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Obama will issue an Executive Order on this... 

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:12 | 4239723 Dolus
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If you like your state, you can keep your state. 

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:23 | 4239766 Bay of Pigs
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You didn't build that state.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:37 | 4239842 Keyser
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If he pulls that shit, it's on like donkey kong. 

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:21 | 4239763 V in PA
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States were banned on May 13, 1912, with the pasage of the 17th amendment.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:31 | 4239812 pods
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You should probably write "passage" in quotes:


Thu, 12/12/2013 - 16:36 | 4240012 NIHILIST CIPHER

OM   I up arrowed you but please don't give Ozero and his leftist cohorts any ideas. It would have taken them a couple more years to come up with that on their own.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:06 | 4239687 Stoploss
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Barry better be lubed up...

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:11 | 4239705 NoDebt
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Don't worry, he's the greased pig of the Democratic Party.  Nobody can get a handle on him.  Just runs around squealing at the top of his lungs and knocking over expensive things.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:11 | 4239715 Iriestx
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Best. Analogy. Ever.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 14:19 | 4240347 Husk-Erzulie
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Thu, 12/12/2013 - 14:38 | 4240406 Blano
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ZH has the best insults.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 13:35 | 4240163 JungleJim
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That's a lie ! He is not running around, he's rubbing himself on Chris's leg ....

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 12:05 | 4239690 NoDebt
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This one will end up in the Supreme Court for sure.  Where Roberts will likely show his true colors once again.

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