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Are We Headed For Class Warfare?

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Over the course of the last few years we have vociferously exposed the growing inequalities and divergences between various elements of the status quo society.



With even the President now seemingly inciting class warfare (which as we discussed here and here is becoming an increasingly  new normal "age warfare" issues); we roll out the wayback machine for 150 seconds of clarity from Doug Casey. With roughly half the American people net recipients of government support in some way (and work punished), Casey explains what happens when the entitled elect themselves (as Michael Burry so aptly noted "the party accelerates, and the brutal hangover is inevitable,") and the social and political consequences.



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Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:20 | 4245073 The Limerick King
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A class war's about to begin

Elites are embracing their sin

The contract is void

They're getting annoyed

They counted the votes and they win

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:23 | 4245080 NemoDeNovo
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Its arguable we have always been at "Class War", just now its quite dire, more so then in the past 50-100 yrs.  And the cycle goes on............

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:28 | 4245099 Stackers
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1000 Sundays.


Obama is not a Muslim

Obama is a Black Liberation Christian (sarc.)

Black Liberation Theology is the brain child of Dr. James Cone.


In order for white people to find true redemption they have to give back what they took

And white people took a lot from black people

~James Cone


Obama is class warfare. He eats, breathes and craps class warfare

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:36 | 4245118 Buckaroo Banzai
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You can call Obama anything you want, but he sure doesn't ACT anything like a Christian.

What he DOES act like is a Muslim, but then again, he also acts like a Marxist, and nobody seems to notice that either.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:47 | 4245158 max2205
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Fuck you Lincoln! 

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:34 | 4245284 PrecipiceWatching
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Fuck you Triangle Trade.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:36 | 4245297 InjectTheVenom
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Obama is all smoke & mirrors  ...  He elicits both loud boos & cheers  ...  He acts rather strange  And  screams Hope & Change , While ramming it way up our rears .

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:55 | 4245175 BigJim
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Obama acts like a Muslim? I know some Muslims... I can't think of a single one that would drone a wedding party.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:01 | 4245207 mofreedom
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Do you know any of the Muslims on this site?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:26 | 4245421 BigJim
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No... but DO I know that our beloved Prezidents Obama and BUsh are responsible for killing many times as many people as any of them. And guess what? They both profess to be... Christians!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:28 | 4245429 mofreedom
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I never voted for either of them and am gravley disapointed in both of their actions both on the domestic and the international front, but when faced with reality...war is a bitch...and I like women.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:32 | 4245440 BigJim
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And exactly what 'reality' is that? That if we go around propping up hated dictators, or invading countries, there's going to be some blowback? Not to mention the deaths of hundreds of thousands of the very women you profess to like?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:46 | 4245467 mofreedom
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We carpet bombed Germany and nuked Japan and I guarantee you the one's letting those bombs drop had a tear in their eye for the innocent humanity they were killing in the name of their country and for the freedom of future mankind, and if not immediate later on.  Ask a soldier how it feels to suck the life out of one of their targets, if you can get them to talk at all.

Ask a liberal or statist republican how it feels to be a party to sucking the life-blood out of this country and they will reply:  I'm feelin pretty darn good with what I got.  How you doin?

We hate war, because we have been to war!!!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:09 | 4245480 BigJim
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 We carpet bombed Germany and nuked Japan and I guarantee you the one's letting those bombs drop had a tear in their eye for the innocent humanity they were killing in the name of their cuntry and freedom for future mankind, and if not immediate, later on.  Ask a soldier how it feels to suck the life out of one of their targets.

I'm not sure what point you're making here... Japan and Germany were aggressors (I might add that most of the top brass didn't think nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary; and Dresden, for that matter).

In this war on terrrrrr, we're the aggressors... so I'm guessing what you're saying is that you feel the Al-Qaeda operatives are probably full of regrets when they kill innocent people in their war against us, the aggressor? Interesting! I hadn't thought of that, well done for empathising with and humanising the enemy. Yeah, maybe you're right.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:24 | 4245562 mofreedom
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A "coked" up Jap or a Hitler lovin Jew killer or a vagina mutiliating muslim could never cry over their acts, as per their God, beacuse they are uber-religious, the irreligious who forget about the individual.

American religious always say:  forgive me for my sins...and try to do better...but we are being constantly in we are the bear...just fucking leav us started it we finish it.

We didn't start the damn fight!!!

But qwe must end it!!!!!!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:48 | 4245633 BigJim
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 We didn't start the damn fight

Lulz. I suggest you look up Operation Ajax as an example of something we didn't start... or the sanctions on Iraq that led to the deaths of some 500,000 Arab kids... or our endless material and diplomatic support for Israel as they wipe out the rightful claimants to Palestine... or our support for our various OPEC satraps across the Middle East so they'll keep demanding USD for oil...

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:53 | 4245646 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Lulz. I suggest you look up Operation Ajax as an example of something we didn't start...

Aaaaaagh, help me! The truth, it burns! It burns!

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:43 | 4246688 Prince Eugene o...
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The U.S. bought the allegiance of the Iranian military for $1 million. The Mosaddegh coup resulted in a few hundred casualties. The Shah got the backing of the clergy because he reverted from his father's western modernizations, i.e., the women went back under the veil.

The Iraq War has killed under 150,000 civilians. The Paki's and Afghani's are not Arab.

The wrongs above pale in comparison to those hundreds of millions killed in Muslim conquest in the last 1400 years — devoured by political jihad.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:57 | 4246718 jimmytorpedo
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I would say Japan and Germany were responding to aggression.

Ie. strangling trade sanctions and the Treaty of Versaille

US had foreknowledge of Pearl Harbour attack and Germany had a strong central bank and industry trying to get out from under the impossible treaty of Versailles.

I'm not saying Hitler was a good guy, but he was financed largely by Wall Street.

Watch "All wars are bankers wars" for a brief synopsis.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 18:38 | 4247053 bh2
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"The aggressor is always a man of peace." -- Clauswitz

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:12 | 4245236 NoTTD
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I understand the comment is a joke ... and a good one.


On the other hand, bullshit.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:19 | 4245252 AynRandFan
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Maybe there were no weddings on 9/11 in the towers, just 15,000 innocent people.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:27 | 4245428 BigJim
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15,000 innocent people, huh? Did you know that according to OUR rules of engagement, because there were militarily-related organisations in those towers, those innocent people are all just acceptable collateral damage? Like the hundreds of thousands of innocent people 'Christians' have killed in the last decade, fighting terrism?

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 16:52 | 4246915 Ident 7777 economy
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Just so you know, BJ. I down-voted everyone of your 'truther' posts, as did a few other clear-thinking individuals  ...

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:47 | 4245630 akarc
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Just thought I would interject with WTC Building 7. Google it!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:49 | 4245635 BigJim
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Yeah, WT7 is a real eye-opener... but for the sake of clarity I'm sticking to the official script with these bozos.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 11:15 | 4246342 Keyser
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Then for the sake of clarity, the official 9/11 story has as many holes in it as the Warren Commission findings. In other words, we can't trust anything that comes from our own government. We have met the enemy and he is us. 

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:36 | 4246564 TBT or not TBT
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Yeah. How could anyone believe a communist would shoot a rabidly anti communist JFK? Certainly not the left in the USA. They thought communism was a ok and that tax cutting, pro American, JFK was somehow one of theirs. They lost their minds over it. Unpossible that communists killed their guy.

Unpossible that designated victims of US arrogant imperialist earth raping blah blah blah could have hijacked airliners with box cutters and flew them into buildings. Victims of America are good, ergo it had to be false flag operators, illooneynaughties, rothschilds etc.

The left are delusional.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 21:29 | 4247331 All_Your_Base
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Yeah. Oops. I left my stove on too long and it turned into grey dust.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:30 | 4245278 PrecipiceWatching
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Only because their dead-end, murderous death cult does not allow for progress beyond the 6th century, including the development of drones.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:38 | 4245459 BigJim
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Every polity gets hijacked by sociopathic scumbags. If the dominant civilisation (I use that word loosely) happened to be Muslim, then yes, I can see a Muslim-branded jackboot doing exactly what our 'Christian'-branded jackboot is doing now - crushing anyone who dares resist its global march. And if an atheist civilisation happened to be dominant (say, the Soviet Union) then it would be an atheist jackboot.

This Islamophobia is fucking stupid. YOU are fucking stupid. Have you read the Bible lately? Most of it is eye-for-an-eye Hebrew warmongering.

Do I want to live in a Muslim country? No. Does the corollary mean that if we don't prop up their dictators and drone their wedding parties, they're gonna invade us, and you won't be allowed to sink a brewski? No, diskhead, it does not.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 23:23 | 4245699 Buckaroo Banzai
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You would really do yourself a favor if you would stop believing all the pro-Muslim propaganda and actually take a hard look at Islam for what it is: a bloodthirsty, nihilistic political cult wrapped in the clothing of religion.

This is a great place to start, assuming you actually want to inform yourself:

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 00:28 | 4245831 my_nym
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believing all the pro-Muslim propaganda and actually take a hard look at Islam for what it is: a bloodthirsty, nihilistic political cult wrapped in the clothing of religion.

Sounds like Talmudism and the political cult of Zionism.  

Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition and Deceit

But with one key difference, Islamists don't own a controlling interest in the American Talmudic/Masonic banking system located on 33rd Liberty Street.  Nor do they have dual citizens in Congress that can work to send Team America, World Police off to try to find WMDs in everyone's underpants.  (But not the Israelis.. i.e. the people that actually have an illegal nuclear weapons program and so forth.)     

It's true, Muslim peasants want to cut people's heads off and Islam justifies* open forms of violence.  (As opposed to the Talmud, where it's usually cloaked.)  That's why they're useful to the intelligence services that serve our oligarchs.  At least until something goes wrong, as with the Boston boys... the Russians finally caught on and did something about Operation Cyclone redux.  Only took them 30 years or so.  A little slow there.  A little slow with their penetration of the media too.

*Islamic and Talmudic interpretations vary... yet people incorporated in those traditions keep doing the same thigns over and over again.  So apparently they don't vary much.  Apparently it's kind of hard to interpret "cut their heads off" or "lend to each other without interest but to the goyim, with interest" away. 

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 00:35 | 4245848 lewy14
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Hey - buckaroo - me to you - 

I lost a decade of my life arguing with trolls of his ilk on the interwebs.

Don't make my mistake.

(Unless you really, really enjoy it.)

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 08:43 | 4246207 BigJim
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You mean that after an entire decade of having your ass handed to you on a plate, you still didn't change your mind?


Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:45 | 4245316 Buckaroo Banzai
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Are you kidding? Muslims love killing other Muslims. It's what they do when they aren't killing Christians, or Hindus, or Buddhists, get the idea.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:50 | 4245336 mofreedom
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A sad, sad, sad, fact of life that we gotta deal with lest they deal with us first.

Religion of Peace my tukis!!!

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 02:06 | 4245976 Adahy
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"A sad, sad, sad, fact of life that we gotta deal with lest they deal with us first."

Get them fefore they get us...very Christian behavior.  /sarc

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:55 | 4245351 Bangin7GramRocks
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Christians are even more bloodthirsty. Lest we not forget the crusades and every century forward where Christians slaughtered in the name of their silly god.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:01 | 4245364 mofreedom
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How long ago was that???  And frankly they were fighting a hell of a lot of Muslims back then who were slicing the heads of little girls who liked to fly kites.

Keep running west until you fall into the ocean and sink like a stone.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:37 | 4245455 Bangin7GramRocks
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I included every century after the crusades because they never run out of people to kill in the name of Jesus. Now go back to rubbing your small cock with a worn copy of the constitution.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:51 | 4245486 mofreedom
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I wish I was as up to snuff on the Constitution as you make me out to be.

Peace be with you.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 23:16 | 4245690 Buckaroo Banzai
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Wow, you don't know the first thing about history or Christianity. U mad bro?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:24 | 4245413 BigJim
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You're confused, B7GRs! When Christians kill people, they're not really Christians! Or... maybe they are... but they're killing people despite their professed religion! Or the people who get killed really, REALLY deserve it. So it doesn't count.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:33 | 4245446 mofreedom
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Big Jim, are you from Minnesota?

I believe in self-defense.

I love me, and my family and my countrymen.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:41 | 4245469 BigJim
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Let me see now... the invasion of Iraq was... self defense? Or Afghanistan? Or Viet Nam?

BTW - it's quite possible to love yourself, your family, and your 'country' - whatever the hell that means - without supporting our empire.

PS - I'm not from Minnesota. Why? Do people from Minnesota dislike warmongering?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:56 | 4245499 mofreedom
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I believe so, but I would have turned their deserts into glass factories and not played with Barbies there like Bush did, unnecessarily risking the lives of US treasure.

MN is full of Muslims who hate gays (in here: and spit all over our sidewalks and not to mention rich white libs who brag about wanting to pay for a better MN but never do.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:11 | 4245522 BigJim
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You 'believe so'? But you wish Bush had incinerated tens of millions of Iraqis??? Is this because you're i) a 'Christian'? ii) a psychopath?, or iii) one of those credulous souls who think Saddam 'had something to do with 911'?

If it's the latter, you are woefully misinformed. But even if Saddam had somehow been behind 911... why would it be OK to kill millions of the people unfortunate to be born within the boundaries of his police state, who had absolutely nothing to do with it? Is it because the religion of peace - Christianity - told you it's all an eye-for-an-eye? If that's the case... seeing as 2,977 Americans died on 911... shouldn't we kill 'just' 2,977 of them? And who is 'them' exactly? Given that all 19 of the attackers died on the day, who are the other 2,956 we need to kill? Will any old Muslim do?

BTW - I would NEVER offer to 'pay for a better MN', irrespective of how much money I had, so no worries for you there.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:47 | 4245623 mofreedom
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None of the above.

We'll have to agree to agree that we're all gonna die some day by some hand, so let's have fun while we're alive.

No Bama.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:53 | 4245643 BigJim
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Wow, I can't think of a single counter-argument to that one; you got me.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 00:40 | 4245855 my_nym
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Let me see now... the invasion of Iraq was... self defense?

The invasion of Iraq was created by the "dancing Israeli" Zionist false flag attack of 911 that had to be followed up with "Al Qaeda gave the Iraqis anthrax in Prague... death to America, death to Israel... uh, or somethin'" anthrax attacks to get Team America moving.

So yes, it was framed as self-defense.  Are Americans incredibly stupid and dumb enough to believe that they were defending themselves from Colon Powell's vial of anthrax threat, etc.?  Yes.  But they're not blood thirsty people that want to go to war or want to have Talmudic Chertoff Inc. begin herding them along like cattle to check their underpants for WMDs for no reason.  Like the underwear bomber scam and even with the pet scape goat in the White House, Iraq still took a lot of "convincing."  Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if the American sheeple believed that they were defending themselves from something.  Does it count as self defense, if you're too dumb to know that you're not defending yourself from anything?  Not guilty by reason of stupidity...

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 09:00 | 4246213 BigJim
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 Does it count as self defense, if you're too dumb to know that you're not defending yourself from anything?  Not guilty by reason of stupidity...

Good point. But of course then any aggressor can make the same claim.... we invaded Czechoslavakia to protect ourselves from International Jewry! etc.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:25 | 4246657 my_nym
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True.  That's what people do when they go tribal and begin making statements about "protecting" themselves from millions of other peasants by incorporating themselves in War Inc. instead of focusing on their own corrupt and degenerate leaders.  It's always the same.  Always easy.  Little wonder that the Nazis had the idea of the lesser races, the Islamists have their ideas about the dhimmi and the Talmudists have their ideas about the goyim... while Team America has its "soft bigotry" version of exceptionalism.

The leaders are usually the same... whether it's an Islamic cleric, a Talmudic cleric, a Nazi reacting to the tribalism and racism that typifies Judaism in spades, the leaders of the Golden Dawn, a "mad dog" Christian Zionist pastor/cleric fantasizing about apocalyptic events... or whoever.  Apparently we might as well go back to the Aztec version, where the leaders decide on a "shared sacrifice" closer to the top of the pyramid scheme of their empire.  The "most high," at the top of the tower of babble... 

Anyway, there's one huge difference between Talmudists and pretty much everyone else.  And that is that few seem to have any idea what the rabbinic ruling class of that species are doing or what factions  like Chabad have been up to.  Most higher information content people in the West seem to be able to see other religious factions, the Shia and the Sunni and so forth... yet not the abject tribalism and racism of the rabbinic sort of Talmudic clerics and so forth.  E.g. Alex Jones, with his "Globalists Inc." and the way he keeps 911 truth kosher...  apparently he can't deal with the topic for fear of harming his brand.  Yet, I don't really blame people.  There's only so much they can do.  Compared to average sheeple being led like lambs to the slaughter... even Alex Jonestown has down more than most.

Shrug.  Ramble of the day.       

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:45 | 4245620 akarc
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I'm thinking God would have a hard time recognizing "Christians".

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 23:41 | 4245743 Calmyourself
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And the Crusades were underaken as a response to what?  You fucking shallow numbnut ignorant leftist savage.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 10:17 | 4246272 BKbroiler
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Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:42 | 4246576 TBT or not TBT
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The crusades were about oil, and gas pipelines. It was in the middle east.

Sun, 12/15/2013 - 00:38 | 4247685 SmackDaddy
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difference between christains and muslims = about 700 years

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 23:35 | 4245711 Buckaroo Banzai
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The Buddhists are fighting back. Good for them. Muslims are trying to infiltrate Myanmar, and the natives understand what happens when Muslims get a foothold in a country. Every place you find Muslims, you find death, terror, and insanity.

That's just a plain fact.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 00:43 | 4245862 my_nym
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Every place you find Muslims, you find death, terror, and insanity.

That's just a plain fact.


I'm beginning to think that's the case with respect to wherever you find people. 

But I get it.  They are often pretty barbaric.  And by "they"... I mean a group containing millions of people.  I.e...  I don't really mean it.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 02:08 | 4245977 Redhotfill
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Spanish society became increasingly complex under Muslim rule. This is partly because Islamic conquest did not involve the systematic conversion of the conquered population to Islam. Islam restricted the ability of Muslim rulers to tax other Muslims, making it financially advantageous for a ruler to have non-Muslim subjects. At the same time, Christians and Jews were recognized under Islam as “peoples of the book.” Christianity and Judaism shared with Islam the tradition of the Old Testament, and Islam considered Jesus Christ a major prophet. Thus, Christians and Jews were free to practice their religion, but they had to pay a prescribed poll tax. Conversion to Islam therefore proceeded slowly

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 09:01 | 4246216 BigJim
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Interesting... I guess now we have a different kind of poll tax - if you actually make something and earn a living, you get taxed at higher rates than if you 'earn' from being a rentier or controller of capital.

As usual, the overlords design the system to confer benefits to their cronies or power base, and everyone else gets fucked.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:17 | 4245403 A Nanny Moose
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Is that because they have no drones, and are not running the monopoly crime ring of they world's largest superpower?

Power corrupts.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 15:57 | 4246817 Wyatt Junker
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Obama acts like a Muslim? I know some Muslims... I can't think of a single one that would drone a wedding party.


Or bomb a S'Barro's, or half a dozen cafes, or wedding parties, or a hotel in Bali, or shooting down people in malls, or ramming planes into buildings, or squash the heads of women who were raped *ahem* I mean 'unfaithful' *ahem* I mean 'head not covered in public'(better), or throw acid into the face of an unchaperoned woman, or chop the head off a reporter, or slit their throat, or the throat of a goat after fucking it...

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 16:10 | 4246837 Watauga
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Only because they have neither the drones nor the power to use them.  If they possessed both, you can bet that as many American/Western/Christian wedding parties as there are would be "droned."  Of course ALL people, Jew, Christian, Muslim, Pagan, atheist are SINNERS.  ALL are evil.  At the invididual level, ALL are miserable and wretched and deserving of eternal damnation.  The difference is at the tribal or cultural or nation-state level.  ONLY those tribes, cultures, and nation-states in which Judeo-Christian-Classical ideals prevail respect liberty, private property, and equal opportunity.  ALL others ATTACK these goods.  Unfortunately, those goods, having withstood evil from the outside for over a thousand years, is now succumbing to evil from within.  

Sun, 12/15/2013 - 00:38 | 4247683 SmackDaddy
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of course not.  they would just strap a bomb to some dumb kid's back 

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:39 | 4245591 rbg81
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I think Obama is a Marxist Atheist who is sympathetic to anything anti-Western (including anything Islamic).  

I also think that since the fall of the Soviet Union, a lot of Elites have become defacto Marxist.  They used to be closed Marxist, but they are become ever more open about it. That includes a lot of people on Wall Street and in the MSM.  But they are a new, hybrid breed of Marxists.  They may appear outwardly Capitalist, they may wear nice suits and even work for corporations, but they are ideological Marxists nontheless.  The key difference is that they grew up in the West and still have Western expectations.  They really believe their affluence and success comes from Government--they have completely lost sight of the fact that they are affluent because of Capitalism, not in spite of it.  This new breed think they can have their Marxism and their Starbucks and iPads too.  It won't work out that way though.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:43 | 4245614 akarc
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"They may appear Capitalist, they may even work for corporations, but they are Marxists nontheless. "

Somebody please look up kleptocracy. My God the permutations people will go through here to describe something as marxist.

"That includes a lot of people on Wall Street and in the MSM.  They may appear Capitalist, they may even work for corporations, but they are Marxists nontheless. "


Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:52 | 4245648 Oldwood
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A turd by any other name, stills smells of shit.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 23:00 | 4245658 BigJim
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'Fascists' is probably the nearest a commonly-used term comes to describe them.

But they're not rascist (certainly not anti-Semitic, except in the true sense of hating actual Semites like Palestinians), and not especially nationalistic, so it's an imperfect label at best.

The problem with 'kleptocracy' as a label is that most *cracies either start or eventually devolve into kleptocracies.... we need to identify the uniquely semi-capitalist element of the current dynamic. I vote for 'crony capitalism' but I wish we could come up with a better one-word zinger to brand them with.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 23:33 | 4245719 Buckaroo Banzai
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Wrong. Fascists are National socialists. Communists are international socialists.

Corporations and banks are all international entities now, and as such, fascism is mostly obsolete.

Obama is an international socialist.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 00:48 | 4245870 my_nym
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Communist or the heretical wing of socialism, the fascists...   it's usually banksterism above all that.

Check the financing of these movements from the bowels of the body politic... because they usually can't get much moving without "money."     

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:05 | 4246205 BigJim
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Sat, 12/14/2013 - 08:39 | 4246206 BigJim
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The principle difference between socialism and fascism isn't their putative national/international character; fascists were more than happy to help out their fellow fascsists in other countries. The biggest difference is that in socialism, the government outright nationalises industry; in fascism, control of industry is (to varying degrees) still nominally in the hands of private owners, but what they can produce, whom they can employ, what they can charge, etc, is tightly controlled by government.

ie, there's very little difference between the two. But as Obama isn't advocating the outright nationalisation of industry, he's more of a fascist than a socialist.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 16:01 | 4246827 Wyatt Junker
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Wrong. Fascists are National socialists. Communists are international socialists.

Corporations and banks are all international entities now, and as such, fascism is mostly obsolete.

Obama is an international socialist.


well put

thumbs up

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 11:17 | 4246344 EINSILVERGUY

IL Duce is a Marxist that governs as a Fascist. much as the liberals were first in love with Mussolini they eventually moved on to being infatuated with Stalin and the great utopian cult philosophy of Marxism. 

Obama first has to get really good at being a fascist before he can attempt to transition to a dictator in the same category as Stalin. Personally I think he is too lazy to reach that pinnacle of ruthlessness and cunning.

I beleive in the end he will fail and actually be a more incompetent and less benevolent version of 

 President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:36 | 4245126 mofreedom
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I didn't take shit from anybody, and you gonna make me pay for bringing slaves to this country and by far giving them a better life than they had in Africa.  Did they have chitlins in Africa, no, no they didn't, but I guess they did lose their lip rings and for that I must pay.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:57 | 4245180 BigJim
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You just don't get it, do you? You have white skin. People with white skin exploited people with black skin, ergo, YOU exploited people with black skin.

It's pretty simple, really!

Now, obviously, if (and here I really mean, 'because') you exploited black people, you should make reparations.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:01 | 4245199 mofreedom
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No, I actually may be Mongolian, I have no idea and don't frankly care.  I was raised by Irish and their family was forced to come to this country to escape the brutality of the king of England and while here were treated worse than the Polish and were spit on by the Polish and again, they didn't give a shit cause it was better here than there.

No Color!!!

Just People!!!!!!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:11 | 4245234 BigJim
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OK, I admit it, I'm confused. You're Mongolian??? I just looked in my copy of Rawls' Encyclopedia of Historic Injustice (ethnic section) and it appears you, Sir!, you, owe reparations to the Chinese, for the terrible destruction wrought by your forebear, Mr Khan.

If you are also Irish, then the King of England (or his representatives) should make reparations to you. And then you can make reparations to the Chinese, as well as black people, as a way of apologising for being (at least partly) a white Mongoloid person.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:14 | 4245242 mofreedom
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The only thing I want is to leave others alone and be left alone.

I love my family and my neighbors and the poor on the streets.

Charity with a gun knows no love.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:31 | 4245438 BigJim
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Well, if the only thing you want is to 'leave others alone', you should have thought of that before people of your skin colour made Africans slaves!

Now pay up.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:01 | 4245518 mofreedom
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my color, who for making them slaves, as in capitalism, first there must be a OFFER and who made the OFFER?  The OFFER was made by some rich African who saw his native people as perfect BIDS and swiftly put them on boats heading west.

No mercy for the SLAVE SELLER!!!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:39 | 4245601 akarc
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Are you advocating then, mercy for the slave purchaser and owner? You truly do understand Amerika don't you?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:51 | 4245636 mofreedom
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Mercy for both seller and buyer of slaves, yes, if that is what you meant.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:42 | 4245611 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The only thing I want is to leave others alone and be left alone...

...oh, yeah, and to incinerate tens of millions of innocent brown people. With love.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:54 | 4245649 mofreedom
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You start it, I'll finish it, guaranteed.

F my government, but long live the sovereignty of the individual against all forms of tiranny, foreigh and domestic.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:52 | 4245650 nmewn
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Doesn't that make O'Barry a razzzist or sumpin?

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 08:21 | 4246195 BigJim
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Lulz, 12 down arrows... looks like the current crop of ZHers need /sarc tags to be able to identify it

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 08:28 | 4246199 rbg81
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I would really like to see an objective analysis of how much net wealth White people have made off Black people.  My own personal guess is zilch.  I could say more, but I'd really like to see the people making these outrageous claims to put up or STFU.  From my own personal perspective, I feel like I AM paying reparations in terms of excess taxes to keep the underclass (of all races) afloat.  In the context of modern society, anyone in the upper 40% is an exploited slave.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:35 | 4245596 akarc
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 find it fascinating that you got 16 up votees for that little rant. Obviously a dissconect between the intelligence of Zero Hedge posts and the intelligence of Zero Hedge comments.  But then hey, clcik rates count. 

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:55 | 4245655 mofreedom
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Right, class is a great thing to go to war against.

Muslims, let them be to slit the vaginas of little girls lo the world over.

No vagina slitting!!!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 23:11 | 4245677 BigJim
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You may be interested to know that i) it's the clit they slit, not the 'vagina', and ii) it's also practised by non-Muslim people in North Africa. ie, it's cultural, and existed long before Islam.

Furthermore, it's not advocated in the Koran, so there's nothing 'Muslim' about it, and plenty of Muslims - there are more than a billion of them, remember - think it's barbaric too.

But if you really care about the health of little Muslim girls, perhaps you should not be advocating incinerating tens of millions of them in other posts, or people will think you're i) a bit forgetful, or ii) a sanctimonious hypocrite.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 23:37 | 4245736 Buckaroo Banzai
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Really? That's a pathetic attempt to apologize for the filthy savage Muslims.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 08:21 | 4246194 BigJim
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 the filthy savage Muslims

Lulz. Most of the Muslims I know wash a lot more often then 'Christians' do, in fact, to my way of thinking, they're almost OCD about cleanliness.... so 'filthy' doesn't really describe them.

Of course, if you're living in an arid land, washing gets a bit tricky... but compare Muslims with the Christians or Animists or Jews they live alongside, and they're generally cleaner.

As for savage, I look around and see 'Christians' incinerating shepherds and wedding parties, 'Buddhists' slaughtering tens of thousands of Tamils to stop them seceding, Hindus going on rampages and killing Muslims, Jews dropping white phosphorus on schools and killing Palestinian children... yeah, 'Muslims' are especially savage, aren't they?

They're only a danger to us because we're so much more of a danger to them. Blowback is a bitch, isn't it, Buckaroo Talmudist?

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 16:10 | 4246833 Wyatt Junker
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Lulz. Most of the Muslims I know wash a lot more often then 'Christians' do, in fact, to my way of thinking, they're almost OCD about cleanliness.... so 'filthy' doesn't really describe them.

Motherfuckers are definitely OCD about not looking at a chick's ass, which is why its easier to just club the bitch to death for the sin of having as ass in the first place.

Which is why Atta was making it rain at a strip club the night before boxcutting stewardess throat, he was just getting ready to rape 72 virgins in the sky.  A very pleasant religion.


Sat, 12/14/2013 - 02:14 | 4245989 Adahy
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I'm not sure if you know this, but here in Amerika, there is a tradition passed down from....somewhere.....where the male penis is mutilated while still a baby by religious leaders.

No penis cutting!!!

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 19:33 | 4247139 starfcker
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that's a religeous tradition??!! my mom swore it was so i didn't bruise my knees when i ran.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 09:00 | 4246097 ConfederateH
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"Obama is class warfare. He eats, breathes and craps class warfare"

Let me fix that for you:

"Obama is race warfare. He eats, breathes and craps race warfare"

Doug Casey is one of those typical Libertarians, like Lew Rockwell or even Ron Paul, that insists on stripping race from all objective analysis.

Is it ignorance, willful blindness or cowardice?  I think it is the last one but can't be certain.

After the house of cards that is the USSA finally collapses Obama, Jarret, Holder et al are going to release their orc army on white middle class suburbia.  They will be the hordes at the tip of the spear.  DHS will mop things up and the middle class whites will face the same fate as those in South Africa.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 08:35 | 4246203 BidnessMan
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All my grandparents came to the US 50 years after the Civil War, so I am exempt from any slavery reparation payments.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:30 | 4246451 DeadFinks
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Only if you're not black.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:52 | 4245343 Bangin7GramRocks
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You missed it. The war is over and the rich won in a route. They have the money, land, industry, government and access to public and private armies.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:17 | 4245250 midtowng
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We've had class war for years. It's only recently that the working class have started to push back.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:22 | 4245260 mofreedom
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Throw the Boner into the Potomac.

Give Ted Cruz my best wishes.

If the best tact doesn't work, the next best tact will.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:32 | 4245583 akarc
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God I hate ROTFLMAO, but you so earned it.  

"It's only recently that the working class have started to push back."

Was it on the news and I missed it?  JUst where is the working class pushing back. By demanding higher wages from walmart?  oh God hang on while I get a grip.

THe working class has been and continues to surrender daily. 

When the working class was actually fighting when it formed these things called Unions. Google  it and read about them. Why they came about and how the corporatiions used the government to crush them. And how the working class was convinced, oh but that was good for you.

Oh my bad. Like the many on here you probably believed the bullshit. Oh well, ya get what ya believe I reckon. Or not!

Oh my God. Im still laughing. 

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:50 | 4245632 Anusocracy
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Every two years the working class votes to renew its slavery contract.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 23:10 | 4245681 BigJim
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Yup, and push for the minimum wages that make them unemployable. Genius!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:24 | 4245079 ZerOhead
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If class warfare occurs 50 bucks says the Main Event will feature the Soon-to-be-poor vs. the Already poor with the Uber-Rich cheering from the sidelines...

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:28 | 4245096 Being Free
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+1  very insightful

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:36 | 4245235 Steel_Preacher
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Don't know about you folks, but here the gated communities of the wealthy will be the first to burn.

Followed very quickly by the housing projects.


Keep them off the sidelines. There will be no cheering this time around.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:25 | 4245572 akarc
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"Don't know about you folks, but here the gated communities of the wealthy will be the first to burn."

You forgot to add /sarc. Or are you the one to become the first martyr? See ya on the news. Not.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 09:05 | 4246217 ConfederateH
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There are different classes of gated communities.  Most of the McMansion type ones with a card system or occasional security gaurd (of the upper middle classes) will be looted, that is for sure.   But what about Kennebunkport, Martha's Vinyard, Montecito, etc where the .1% are?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:34 | 4245594 FredFlintstone
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Where is "here"? I was recently mulling over the pros/cons of moving to a gated community vs moving to a hovel and living below the prole radar. I think it all depends on the rate of economic descent.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:42 | 4245315 KickIce
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All rhey need to do is shut off the EBT cards and grab some popcorn.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:23 | 4245081 darteaus
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"Are We Headed For Class Warfare?"

Already underway my friend.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:38 | 4245130 Oldwood
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Given that I have never had any class, does that make me exempt?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:24 | 4245567 akarc
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it's not really warafe when ya lay down and let the corporate/government alliance rape, plunder and pillage your ass.  Thats known as surrender.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:23 | 4245086 no more banksters
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Middle class civil war in Greece: latest update and conclusions

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:25 | 4245087 buzzsaw99
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the upper crust maggots started this war but the proles will finish it

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:03 | 4245368 Bangin7GramRocks
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Don't bet on it.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:20 | 4245559 akarc
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I only wish. But "proles" abdicated their power long ago when they decided to cede power to those who fooled them and decided to find sport in blaming blacks, hispanics, jews, gays, muslims, as reason for not taking responsibility for their own selves, families and freedoms!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:25 | 4245090 Dr. Engali
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Are we headed for class warfare? Where the fuck has this guy been? The elites have declared war years ago. If there isn't a response soon the police state will have the lock down in place. It's one thing to build wealth, it's quite another to steal the rest.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:29 | 4245102 Shadow750
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Are we headed for class warfare?  The short answer may be yes.  The longer answer is that we are facing a conflict between the "savers" and the "takers". 

Being a saver will be punished by the takers.

The Savers: Those with a savings account, a personal retirement fund, a pension fund, equity in their homes or other cash assets.

The Takers:  Governments with unreasonably high debt levels, supra-international institutions such as the EU, Central Banks, and financial institutions

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 08:27 | 4246201 BidnessMan
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Interesting that your Saver list is almost all paper/electronic promises to pay -- except home equity which is the easiest hard asset to seize since it is unmovable.

Savers believing in promises to pay will be punished - lots of promises are not going to be fulfilled in the future.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:29 | 4245103 Buckaroo Banzai
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About to begin??? Shit, the class war has been going on since 1933.

I'm more worried that the class SHOOTING war is about to begin.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 05:04 | 4246105 Parrotile
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With over 300 million guns in private hands in the USA, and jaw-dropping private stockpiles of ammo, any "Shooting War" will be copious and spectacular.

Mind you the DHS is obviously planning to join in the fun - 1.6 BILLION rounds to be bought over the next few years, ( to add to the 1.2 BILLION rounds already purchased (including 360.000 hollow point rounds). Add in all the other "Three-Letter Agency" purchases and someone is certainly planning to "go out with a bang".

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:32 | 4245105 firstdivision
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If history is any indication of the future, yes we are.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:35 | 4245112 Kinskian
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It will be a race war, or a surrender with no war at all. Same as what's happened to the cities...

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:18 | 4245548 akarc
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and your desire to have a race war will accomplish what?  In what way will it reinstate the working man to illusionary wealth equality?

That is the thinking the elites depend on to keep them in power. With great success too, I might add.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 00:10 | 4245806 Kinskian
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Marxist theory said that when the general European war came (as it did come in Europe in 1914), the working class throughout Europe would rise up and overthrow their governments – the bourgeois governments – because the workers had more in common with each other across the national boundaries than they had in common with the bourgeoisie and the ruling class in their own country. Well, 1914 came and it didn’t happen....

So the Marxists’ had a problem. And two Marxist theorists went to work on it: Antonio Gramsci in Italy and Georg Lukacs in Hungary. Gramsci said the workers will never see their true class interests, as defined by Marxism, until they are freed from Western culture, and particularly from the Christian religion – that they are blinded by culture and religion to their true class interests. Lukacs, who was considered the most brilliant Marxist theorist since Marx himself, said in 1919, “Who will save us from Western Civilization?” He also theorized that the great obstacle to the creation of a Marxist paradise was the culture: Western civilization itself....

Economic Marxism says that all of history is determined by ownership of means of production. Cultural Marxism, or Political Correctness, says that all history is determined by power, by which groups defined in terms of race, sex, etc., have power over which other groups. Nothing else matters.

The Origins of Political Correctness

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 01:36 | 4245941 dexter_morgan
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These guys philosophized about the fundamental change being wrought upon us now.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:37 | 4245131 jomama
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. - JFK

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:44 | 4245134 22winmag
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Class warfare arrived some time ago. Today it is fought with social engineering, presidential decrees, and harsh language. Tomorrow it is fought with rifles and molotov cocktails.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:29 | 4245272 GoldRulesPaperDrools
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`I got a molotov cocktail and a match to go ... I smoke my cigarette with style!` - Nighttrain, Appetite for Destruction, Guns & Roses

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:28 | 4245273 GoldRulesPaperDrools
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`I got a molotov cocktail and a match to go ... I smoke my cigarette with style!` - Nighttrain, Appetite for Destruction, Guns & Roses

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:14 | 4245537 akarc
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And "tomorrow" never comes. What excuse does the American populace need to finally hit the streets? Are you to tell me that there have not been enough egregious actions to date to justify a revolt?  While you have been waiting for the "right time" your enemy has rendered your rifles and molotov cocktails meaningless.

Yeah there are still ways to do it. But judging by the constant references to guns on this site my guess is that they have not yet been figured out. Even at that drones, gps technology and surviellance have prob rendered many of those ways unworkable. But hey keep threatening to use your rifle. Threaten until you reach old age and die with a rusty rifle in the closet.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:41 | 4245138 alien-IQ
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Are we "headed" to class warfare? How can anyone seriously ask this question?

I hate to break the news to you but it's been going on for quite some time now. Quite nakedly since 2009...but it started well before that.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:39 | 4245141 Obamananke
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Part of me wants the war because I am really getting tired of working my ass off. I know I am consuming way less than I produce.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:51 | 4245162 css1971
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All warfare is class warfare. It is just the leadership getting rid of their local sources of discontent.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:56 | 4245178 dick cheneys ghost
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you gotta 'win' the peace too......

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:51 | 4245165 Seasmoke
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I amazed how most don't realize what happened when Hank Paulson stood in front of America with his TARP plan on a napkin. 

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:52 | 4245171 dick cheneys ghost
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the elites will false flag us into WW3 before any real class war starts

the elites (the fed and their masters) have been at war againt the ROW for 100 yrs now.........imagine that

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:53 | 4245172 Oldwood
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Its been going on for years. It has happened under the guise of women's rights, worker's rights, minority rights, gay and lesbian rights, rights for the poor, rights to healthcare and Muslim rights (note I did not say religious rights), virtually rights for everyone but the white male, predominately Christian. This has all been about division and demonization of others. Affirmative action with racial and sexual preference quotas and set asides have been in place for years yet whites are still the blue eyed devil. We will experience the same as post apartheid SA. Social justice tribunes esptablished to reconcile past preceived injustices through wealth redistribution. We have continually capitulated to this in much the same way as the Republicans live in absolute fear of being called haters. We have relinquished power in the name of equality and atonement, only to find with each step more is needed and DEMANDED. The white male guilt may be justified or not, but it does not matter becasue we cannot buy salvation. We weaken our positions voluntarily seeking some peace and harmony only to find that that power which we surrendered is now being amassed against us with ever greater force. My God, we have a black radical president yet it is not enough now, is it? Will we have to march ourselves into guarded camps before we say enough? Many people here may hate the Jews but at least they learned. They may be hated and reviled but they are still alive. They will not go quitely again. We could learn form them instead of finding another group to demonize because they are doing what they think is in their best interest. Freedom says we all should.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:01 | 4245195 22winmag
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I agree. Artifically elevating certain classes of people is dead wrong. The Civil Rights Act, the Americans with Disabilities Act, and the Violence Against Women Act are three huge stinking piles of horseshit that have done more to divide the country than just about anything else.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:13 | 4245239 mofreedom
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I agree.

There's never an act for a working white man.

Discrimination against working white males is cool!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:06 | 4245523 akarc
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There were unions who stood up for the working man. But then the white man bought the "right wing" propaganda convincing them that unions were evil thus paving the road for the rule of corporate unions, i.e. lobbyists. Don't blame that one on what you refer to as your enemies. Blame that one on yer dumbass self!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:10 | 4245532 Bangin7GramRocks
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Right on. White christian males have been voting against their economic interests for 40 years. You get all wrapped up in guns and abortion while the people you vote for close your factory and foreclose your home.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:35 | 4245590 Oldwood
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I'm not suggesting that supporting anyone's rights are necessarily evil, only when the progressive agenda, placed into law by our government does it and then sells it through divisive rhetoric to simply advance their unaccountable power. And where the hell were you with Jimmy Hoffa and all the rest of the criminal underworld running most of the nation's unions? And how did that work out for them? I suppose you believe that Detroit is the result of evil conservative propaganda. Unions were let run wild by our government. They were exempted from the  monopoly laws that everyone else must abide. Workers rights are a great idea. Not the corruption that government enabling creates. We see its destruction everywhere, yet government is enabled even by its own corruptive powers to employ even greater numbers of people to fight the very corruption that they are responsible for.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 23:18 | 4245696 akarc
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In order to save space I will again encourage those who rave against unions to google as to why they came about and were needed. And the corporate governmental war against them.

But then I would also encourage people to google why we have an FDA or EPA and why we have to have them.

Because people are all to easily corrupted when it comes to money. And as evidenced by the SEC and attorney Generals reluctance/failure to hold the biggest crooks accountable we have sent the message that corruption pays.

Almost every organization, left or right, i have watched from birth to maturity eventually corrupts itself.  And no one will speak up and say foul. Because as so often demonstrated, those who blow the whistle are punished. The inmate code of being a "narc" or a "rat" has successfully infected society as a whole.

Unions were not allowed to run wild by the government. Nor were they the demise of Detroit.  The government waged war on them and killed them. The Unions just made it easier by corrupting themselves. In both side, supposed good people stand on the sidelines with their mouths shut because they profit by doing so.

As I so  often say. We are the enemy. Look in the mirror.  


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