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Two Injured In Colorado School Shooting, Shooter Deceased - Live Webcast

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Update: the shooter, who was a student at the highschool, is reported to have been killed as a result of a self-inflicted shot. Additionally according to the Sheriff, the student was interested in confronting specific teacher in Arapahoe High School

Another day, another school shooting. In a flashback to the Columbine tragedy, moments ago news broke that there were two people injured during an incident at Arapahoe High School in the 2200 block of East Dry Creek Road in Centennial, Colorado. According to Colorado's 9news, Police are calling it an "active shooter situation." No one is in custody at this time. The identity of the victims is not being released at this time. Arapahoe High School is a part of Littleton Public Schools. There are 70 different classrooms in the high school which covers a 254,000-square-foot area. There are 2,229 students that attend the high school. The school was built in 1964.

More from RT:

 The Denver Post reported at around 1:00 p.m. local time on Friday afternoon that the Arapahoe County dispatched confirmed that a shooting occurred at the Arapahoe High School.


Students heard multiple shots coming from the cafeteria, Post reporter Ryan Parker posted on Twitter from the scene shortly after. “Everyone ran out of the school,” he said, and the shooter — allegedly another student — may have also been shot.  

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Fri, 12/13/2013 - 16:22 | 4244373 SWRichmond
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Colorado anti-gun legislators were under intense pressure and needed some help.  My sincere sympathy for any innocent victims.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 16:34 | 4244420 mkkby
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Yep, and the kenyan in chief will make one of his useless speeches in... 3-2-1

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 16:41 | 4244438 Fortunate Fool
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When was the last time we heard about a school shooting in another country again?

I guess this is happening because there is not enough guns around. If everybody had a gun, including students at school, everybody would be safe, right?

If only they had guns, those grade 1 from Newton would have been able to defend themselves... /s

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 16:45 | 4244459 InjectTheVenom
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WHAT A COINCIDENCE that this happens a day before the Newtown anniversary !

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 16:49 | 4244472 Skateboarder
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It's like an annual ritual at this piont.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 16:51 | 4244489 Stackers
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J-Cool was skeeze'n on T-Dawg's girl and had to be taught some respect ?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 16:55 | 4244512 InjectTheVenom
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what a perfectly-timed distraction from (phony scandal) Selfie-gate !

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:19 | 4244585 Lore
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The question every reporter needs to ask is: "What psychotropic medication was prescribed for the shooter?"

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:34 | 4244700 mkkby
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Quick, be the first reporter to find out what video games he played, or how he was bullied by someone.

It can't possibly be that kids are being brought up in a degenerate society...  /sarc:

- No parents at home

- Rule of law a sick joke

- Everything you've been told is a lie

- Spying and militarization of police

- Corp/banker take over of everything with no hope of a decent job.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:48 | 4244749 TeamDepends
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He shot himself, just like Fuddy did.  Wait....

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:06 | 4244820 formadesika3
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I live about 1/2 mile from 'Rape a Hoe'. Tons of helicopters overhead. So far no drones.

Pray for the victims.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:14 | 4244843 jbvtme
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keep your eyes peeled for the sandy hook/boston marathon crisis acting team members...

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:44 | 4244963 johnQpublic
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600,000 folks went hunting in my state this year

all hunters had guns

no one was killed

its not the fault of the guns, its certain individual people

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:09 | 4245194 Manthong
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·         What meds was he on?

·         What kind of “up-bringing” did he get?

·         At least he was considerate enough to use a weapon of Joe Biden’s preferred caliber (but likely not a two-shot)..-- wait for the calls to ban any pump or semi-auto shotgun.

(People don’t kill people – guns knives, bats, meat cleavers and autonomous drones kill people)


Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:04 | 4244815 Citxmech
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What's the reason the NSA trolls "World of Warcraft" again?

(grooming the next shooter perhaps?)

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:10 | 4244829 fonestar
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Where is Gene Rosen?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:18 | 4244596 SMG
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OOO look another another coincidence, oh and surprise he was set up by the FBI who had him under constant surveilence.

The NSA was right any one of us could be a lone wolf, they need to spy on all of us, all the time.

Thanks goodness for the all seeing eye of love.



Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:18 | 4244631 BLOTTO
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The City of Centennial is a Home Rule City located in Arapahoe County, Colorado, United States, and part of the Denver-Aurora metropolitan area. The city had a total population of 100,377 in 2010 census.[3] Centennial is the tenth-most populous municipality in the state of Colorado and its 2001 incorporation was the largest in U.S. history. Centennial is ranked as the 15th safest[5] city in the country.


Colorado is a heavy occult State...among other things, look inside their ariport and the bizzare paintings, the state crests/seals/flags, etc...


Look at the State seal...'see' anything familiar, any occult symbols?



Remember, 'they' symbolize with dates/numerology, astrology and sacred geometry.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:31 | 4244691 The Merovingian
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Are you drunk?  Oh wait, never mind ... 

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:37 | 4244712 BLOTTO
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Nope, just reading the Colorado State motto, "Nothing without the Deity"


'A marker stone in the terminal reads the airport was funded by The New World Airport Commission.'


Have a cup of coffee and do some research, watch out for the rabbit hole...

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:44 | 4244741 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Blotto, I would junk you twice if I could.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:09 | 4245224 The Merovingian
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No worries here Blotto .. O'Blunder says if you like your conspiracy theories, you can keep them ...

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:38 | 4245453 Husk-Erzulie
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Yeah man,

I, for one, think it's complete coincidence that The Eye of Horus appears frikking everywhere in US pop culture, state institutions and religion.  It's just decoration, like polka dots or plaid.  Random, means nothing.  Go back to sleep.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 02:15 | 4245991 Jam
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Wow, never noticed the wacky murals and such. That is weird, thanks for posting.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:01 | 4244537 Billy Sol Estes
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Might as well make it a national holiday and create a tradition of gifting loved ones to go with it.That will create buying oppurtunities for retail and JOBS JOBS JOBSSSS

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:17 | 4244632 Skateboarder
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We can call it CIDay.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 16:47 | 4244460 icanhasbailout
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Or it could be happening because the last FUD injection is wearing off...

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 16:47 | 4244470 nmewn
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Government schools are a free kill zone by law.

But I can tell you, in my little town, his first shot would be his last, despite the law.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 16:49 | 4244476 WOAR
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Since when do we hear about crimes in a foreign country, period? It may seem odd, but Americans don't follow the crazy stabbings that go on in other countries as much as those other countries follow our shootings.

I guess guns are just more exciting once they've been taken away.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 16:54 | 4244498 Fortunate Fool
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Or maybe it's because school shootings happen only in the US? coincidence?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:05 | 4244558 Fedaykinx
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you're either a troll, or a moron.  maybe both.  either way, go fuck yourself.  dipshit.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:08 | 4244577 Fortunate Fool
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Your very articulated and well argumented comment has greatly contributed to this discussion. Thank you.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:16 | 4244614 Lore
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You did ask for it.  The post was ignorant.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:26 | 4244670 Fortunate Fool
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Exaggerated, maybe, ignorant, surely not.

When it comes to school shootings, the US is in its own league...

For the world:

And for the US:


But hey, why let the facts get in the way? I've heard guns don't kill people. I've also heard bread-makers don't bake breads.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:32 | 4244683 SunRise
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Why are you so angry at an inanimate instrument while ignoring the 20+ children killed in scary auto accidents this past week?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:32 | 4244701 Fortunate Fool
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Well, imagine if that Adam Lanza only had a knife at his disposal (or anything that is not primarly designed to kill), how many grade one kids do you think he would have been able to kill? Same rethorical question about that fucked up guy from Virginia Tech?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:42 | 4244734 pods
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So you are angry with the number?  Shouldn't ONE life be worth something?

If so, then hammers, scissors, golf clubs, cars, axes, forks, and a host of other things should be banned.

Want to ban guns?  Go ahead and repeal the 2nd amendment, THEN make a law that does so.

If not, STFU.


Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:07 | 4244822 OneTinSoldier66
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If it is guns that kill people, then it is pens, pencils, and keyboards that misspell words.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:14 | 4244942 Citxmech
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Imagine if the Cambodians/Jews/Native Americans/Chinese/Armenians/Gypsies etc. etc. were well-armed around the time they were being murdered by the millions.

Yes - the 2nd Amendment has a collateral cost - but it's protection is a net benefit to society - or so the Founders believed.

If you don't like it - get to work on amending the fucking Constitution.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:03 | 4245021 nmewn
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"Well, imagine if that Adam Lanza only had a knife at his disposal..."

Adam Lanza was insane and on prescribed medication.

And Columbine, have you looked at those kids mental history and what "legal" drugs they were on? I didn't think so. In fact, most school shootings are committed by people either seeing a shrink or on mind altering (prescribed) drugs...or both.

Here ya go, since you've obviously wandered over here from HuffPo in search of enlightement:

31 School shooters/school related violence committed by those under the influence of psychiatric drugs

Take it back over there and spread it among the "progressive" one trick ponies, maybe they'll quit shooting themselves in the foot on this topic.

You're welcome...but this is the only time I'll work for freeee!..from here on, out it'll cost you ;-)

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:54 | 4245496 Tall Tom
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No problem. I will teach the Children how to make Hand Grenades. Besides they are far more lethal. They are easy to make and do not require registration.


Look at the FRAGGUcino Mark II


I like the Diethyl Ether and Petroleum Distillates in the Automotive Starting Fluid much better than Axe Deodorant. It makes for a much more impactful event.


Furthermore I can teach them to use a Double Jacketed PVC Pipe with Buckshot in between the two walls as they are not restricted to the items available after the TSA Molestation before boarding the Aircraft.



Tell me...Just who needs a Gun. Hell those types of devices are a lot cheaper than a gun.


Keep on posting your Anti-Gun rhetoric. It inspires me, Government Troll. It is not against the law to teach.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:07 | 4245525 Husk-Erzulie
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Woodpecker!  That you man?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 23:22 | 4245702 Tall Tom
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Nope. But thanks for the compliment.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:58 | 4245513 Husk-Erzulie
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Fer cryin' out loud dude.  If Adam Lanza wanted to kill and maim a bunch of people so badly he could have done a very efficient job wielding his mothers Camry in the parking lot.  Was, or was not, the AR used in the shooting anyway?  The GE corporatized war shills at MSNBS are still pitching it as an asault rifle shooting yet it seems the weapon in question was in the trunk of the car?  Therefore the kid really exhibited expert shooting by taking out 26 people with two medium caliber handguns?  It still seems unclear.  Meanwhile, the cynical attempt to politicize whatever did actually happen failed miserably anyway... yet another O-bongwater success (thank God, and those citizens who got off their asses and wrote and called their congress creatures, that idiot was not allowed to lead us into ww3).

</minor rant>

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 09:59 | 4246256 Agstacker
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How many kids were killed by government drones last year around the world?  I'll give you a hint, it's more than Adam Lanza, and I don't even believe the MSM story about him.  Google crisis actors.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:43 | 4246468 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Imagine if Hitler only had a knife and the Jews were armed ...

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:40 | 4244725 pods
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Well technically it is the bullet that kills a person, not the gun.

And ovens bake bread, bakers merely put the dough in there.


Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:54 | 4244770 FeralSerf
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Technically it's the cardiac arrest that kills a person.

Outlaw cardiac arrest (except possibly for bankers and politicians).

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:58 | 4244788 pods
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Very true.  I always wondered why there are all these other causes of death when basically every dies due to cardiac arrest.


Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:32 | 4244920 FeralSerf
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Like many other so-called "answers" in these troubled times, it's to confuse and distract.

Many death certificates state "cardiac arrest" as the cause of death. Why do the need an expensive MD to say that? We (or a rubber stamp) could do just as well and maybe cheaper too.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:16 | 4244619 Fedaykinx
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glad i could help, dipshit.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:18 | 4244638 drB
Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:47 | 4244746 pods
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You will not win by playing his/her game. 
His arguments are emotional ones.  So any type of logic you use can be dismissed by his/her emotion.

Simply tell them if they would like to government to regulate firearms, pass an amendment to specifically nullify the 2nd and give the Feds the authority to make law in this area.

And any and all laws made up until this point need to be repealed because they are ALL unconstitutional.



Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:01 | 4244795 Fedaykinx
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"any and all laws made up until this point need to be repealed because they are ALL unconstitutional"

this is the crux of the issue as far as i'm concerned.  every single one of them is an illegal law. 

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:34 | 4245115 Citxmech
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Well - at least the Federal laws (as well as the existance of the BATFE) are all unconstitutional.  It's a little less clear on State Restrictions. . . 

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:05 | 4244817 Fortunate Fool
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"Oh my god FF wants to take my guns..." Yet I'm the one being emotional...

I'm just stating the obvious fact that more guns lead to more shootings and more death. I just don't get why any person would need to own, for example, an assault weapon. I get even less why mentally ill people can put their hands on them and discussing about restrictions and any form of control triggers so much hate and emotions. 

I guess NRA's brainwashing has been extremely effective, I don't see any other reason since only in the US are people so emotional about their guns.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:15 | 4244854 Overfed
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Do us all a favor and die in a fuckin' fire, will ya'.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 23:03 | 4245667 pods
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(This is a response to FF above. )

Your idea of need has no bearing on my rights.

And your ideas of mentally ill people are a construct of the collective, and again, this has no bearing on my rights.

I am not being emotional at all.  You collective bastards have usurped most all of my individual rights, so if I am vehement in my disagreement with you do not take that as being emotional.

I am being firm.  

If you go through life emotionally, you will find out that there are no rules, as emotion is fleeting and can change with the wind.

How about a valid argument, say, why we have compulsive public education?  Now that is an actual argument.

Why not be able to send your kids wherever you can afford and not be penalized for it?  Then you could send your kids to some feel good utopia and wait for the next predator to come along and shatter your fake view of life.

In short, life it tough, people die and there isn't anything you can do about it.

If you try and protect everyone from cradle to grave, we end up as canaries in a cage, with all our needs met, and we die without having really lived.

Good luck with that,


Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:18 | 4244866 formadesika3
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This was another 'gun-free' zone where this happened. A 'gun-free' zone is an open invitation to the mentally deranged to invade such perimeter and play havoc.

It would help if all school personnel were armed and trained in the use of firearms. Children reaching the age of twelve are capable of rational thought. Certainly all high-schoolers are capable of such unless mentally deranged. Therefore, all high-schoolers should be allowed to bring firearms to school. An active offense is the best defense.

Even those mentally deranged who choose to invade a school with a firearm can understand that they would find waiting for them many people capable of returning fire.

Problem solved.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:33 | 4244910 Fortunate Fool
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"Children reaching the age of twelve are capable of rational thought. Certainly all high-schoolers are capable of such unless mentally deranged. Therefore, all high-schoolers should be allowed to bring firearms to school. An active offense is the best defense."


That's the most reasonable and appropriate measure I have read here, thank you. But why stop at 12? My son is very well behaved and obedient. I'm sure if I train him properly, he could carry a gun at school. The problem is, I don't know if there are guns for preschoolers yet. Nothing that can't be figured out I believe.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:52 | 4244987 formadesika3
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If he's younger than about twelve (YMMV), he is incapable of the judgement required no matter how well behaved and obedient he is.

For those in the younger grades, protection can be provided by school personnel. No one should be allowed to work in a school without firearms training. A sufficient number to be armed.

Younger children are vulnerable, period. Maybe the consolidation of schools is part of the problem? Maybe so many vulnerables shouldn't be concentrated in such large groupiings? Remember, a committed wacko could (and has done) as much damage with a large knife in such settings as with a gun. Then are we to consider the banning of large knives from the environment as Britain has done or is seriiously considering (I can't keep up with the social engineering)?

Only vigilance and preparedness is the answer in a world gone mad.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:51 | 4244988 Meat Hammer
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The caliber of troll around here has really dropped off lately.  It must be due to the sequester.  During the govt shutdown, were you considered essential or non-essential?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:36 | 4245117 bunzbunzbunz
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I don't want to talk about it.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 06:27 | 4246148 zhandax
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Bunz, we know how you were categorized.  He was asking about the other new trolls. 

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:26 | 4244889 OneTinSoldier66
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It wouldn't hurt my feelings if all long-range weapons were tossed into the ocean never to be seen again. But for that to happen, you'd have to able to convince everyone we should do away with ALL of them. If I'm not mistaken, the Government has the vast majority of the weapons capable of mass destruction. And people in the Government, like Mr. Executive Order Obama, would like for the Government to have 100% of them.


If we had a totally free society, would everyone have an Iron Man suit? I can't say they would, but no one can tell me they wouldn't. I have no problem with self-defense. Anyone initiating/committing an act of violence should be held accountable, of course. Just saying that is not going to stop violent acts from occurring before the perpetrator can be stopped. What I'm saying is there is no perfect solution, there is no utopia.


The thought of a world where only the Government has weapons capable of initiating lethal force, which are also capable of giving a person a chance of defending him/herself, were only in the hands of counterfeiting Governments, is a very scary thought to me. In order for power to be evenly distributed among the masses...

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 06:36 | 4246155 zhandax
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The requirement to fight for liberty is a scary task, grasshopper.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:52 | 4244978 Meat Hammer
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A-ha!  You said the magic term - assault rifle!  Your cover is blown, Trolly Trollerson. 

How much does trolling pay and where do I apply?  I know all of your tactics.  I tried but got nuthin.

I have a favor to ask of you, cocksucker.  Could you please provide us with a comparison between the number of unarmed citizens killed by their own government in countries where firearms are outlawed and the number of people killed by fellow citizens in countries where firearms are legal?  I would venture to guess that it's tens of millions for the former and not nearly as much for the latter.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:09 | 4245230 bunzbunzbunz
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Holy crap. Why do you assume everyone with a different opinion than you is a troll. Some people just want to discuss thoughts.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 06:40 | 4246158 zhandax
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Sounds great.  You have any you didn't pirate from HuPo?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:41 | 4245027 XitSam
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Thought experiment: Imagine that 10,000 people have just arrived on an uninhabited island to colonize it. Would they then decide to give the Johnson family all their weapons and let the Johnson family have the exclusive right to violence? How long before the Johnson family declares themselves Island Boss?  

First, get the government to give up the exclusive right to violence. 

Update: Hat tip to Murray Rothbard for the example.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:35 | 4245589 formadesika3
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Is the head of that Johnson family by any chance named Percy? ('Pussy' in South Carolina).

Then in that case, NO, they cannot have all of my weapons.

Hell NO!!!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:17 | 4245064 SgtShaftoe
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Well, for one, the NRA are a bunch of establishement pussies that roll over every time someone wants to put forth some bizzarely goofy firearm law.  American Gun Owners is a more representative grass roots organization. 

If you've spent any amount of time here, you'd understand that by "normalizing" a complex system, you increase the tail risk of a "dragon king" event.  Besides the fact that Governments are the biggest murderer for the last century, firearms are a basic human right.  People need the tools to defend themselves against genocide. 

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:37 | 4245132 Citxmech
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"I'm just stating the obvious fact that more guns lead to more shootings and more death."

Er, look up the death toll of the very under-gunned folks who died during Cultural Revolution in China, or of Russians under Stalin, or Cambodians under Pol Pot, Native Americans under the Europeans post-Columbus, Armenians in Turkey, etc. etc. etc., then get back to us on which causes "more death" - too many guns, or the lack of guns.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 06:45 | 4246160 zhandax
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Hell, look up the under-gunned people who worked for Bill Clinton.  /sarc

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:07 | 4244824 Stoploss
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All this in a state where they felonize a six year old for kissing a girl on the hand...

When that child is old enough to understand what was done to him by that school, how would you expect him to react later when he is older?

So, take the guns. That will not stop the killing, only, THE NEWS COVERAGE WILL STOP... The killing would be expected to continue, bexause it continues in the countries that have disarmed their people, it just takes a large event now to make it on the local news.


The question is:

With all the high tech surveillance, not to mention GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT AND INTERVENTION, and after everything else done by the school....


Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:33 | 4245114 Parrotile
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Easy: just print yourself a fake ID card. The logos of ALL the US Agencies / Departments are there on the Internet and there are plenty of image manipulation packages that you can employ to "do the deed" - such as the excellent GIMP suite.

How many times have YOU actually checked an "Official" ID by contacting the Issuer? Especially if the carrier was supposed to be from, e.g. the EPA (plenty of EPA Logos right here -, or would you prefer the TSA? ( or maybe the FBI -

People tend to have blind faith (TRUST) in officialdom, and that certainly includes people working in Schools, just as everwhere else. In Military establshments, they WILL check with the source (and in the UK that meant contacting the "Issuing Authority" directly, not via any "contact information" on the ID Card!); In the Civilian world - the conditioning that "Officialdom is Always Right" is very strong indeed, so acceptance of "Official ID" at face value is almost an absolute certainty, and the global army of con-men certainly know this.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 07:27 | 4246170 zhandax
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You want the simple reply?  I can cite an example from work.  Our new 'minimum wage' security staff has just moved the metal detectors to the front entrance and everyone has to enter there so we are more 'secure'.  The years we were a free trade zone, they were at the entrance to the factory rather than the building.  The second day the front door started jamming.  The third day someone cut himself on the artwork in the entrance hall (next to the new metal detectors) and bled for six hours.  Meanwhile, about 12 years ago, some country boy found out his wife was cheating and came in with a shotgun looking for her.  We had a name brand security force then who were paid more than minimum wage, but unarmed, and they didn't do jack to stop him.  I have great confidence that people making less than Mac Donald's fry-cooks are going to stop someone with a gun.  This is just one more example of some sawed-off napoleon-complex fuck on a power trip who sold a mirage to the corporatocracy.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:18 | 4244635 WOAR
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Look up "School shootings Europe Wikipedia"

They have recent school shootings...and I've never heard of them.

Also, I remember talking to one of my Homestuck friends overseas, and they discussed a huge riot...also, one I never heard of.

I wonder why all these foreign countries don't tell me about their crimes, and yet the US broadcasts it's own to the world?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:46 | 4244747 Vampyroteuthis ...
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You have to keep the sheeple scared. Convince them their guns are the problem and not our degenerate society.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:52 | 4244768 WOAR
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And give a scapegoat.

It isn't our kids in Italy that are the problem, it's the US and Hollywood, and all of the "Americanization" that's occurring around the world.

It certainly isn't economics, or immigration, or any real issue that has an impact on people's lives.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:29 | 4244678 Wyatt Junker
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'Or maybe it's because school shootings happen only in the US? coincidence?'


Of Course they only happen in the US.  As has already been said up above, the US is the only country stupid enough to enforce 'gun free zones' to the detriment of all our children.  Its like shooting fish in a barrel. 



Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:21 | 4245075 Meat Hammer
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Boom!  I love critical thinkers.

When one side has the guns, millions die.  When both sides have the guns....well, you get it.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:50 | 4244760 ChanceIs
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Several years back there was a totally psycho killer in Norway.  As I recall he figured out that there was some sort of school retreat on an island.  He took his high powered rifle out there and started shooting from some sort of snipers nest.  He got caught.  I think the Norwegians gave him six months probation because he was misunderstood as a child.  (I am serious - he plead something silly and got a slap on the wrist.)

Separately, I see that the Thais are about to execute a criminal banker.  Criminal bankers  - in the long term - end up killing many more than these tragic psychotic high schoolers.

Separately yet again, I see that the current ruler of North Korea executed his uncle.  You see.  We do get to see other countries' dirty laundry.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:55 | 4244773 WOAR
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We get to see the dirty laundry of other countries only when it makes us look better. Hence, North Korea being in the news all the time.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:07 | 4244816 Wyatt Junker
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I like the bottom pic. 

'Everyone, its time to Walk Like An Egyptian out into wide open spaces where there is no cover, stat!'

My sons' school did an active shooter training scenario.  I told my sons to ignore all that.  Instead, whatever the teachers are doing with their lawsuit avoidance meme, do the opposite.  You have a brain.  Both of you play COD & GTA enough on the console.  Use your head and avoid being shot.  Do whatever's necessary even if it means telling the principal to go fuck himself.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:53 | 4245498 ChanceIs
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Way down deep I love life.  Day by day it can sometimes become harrowing.

Having said that, one wonders why with these 2,000 student, box type high schools (processing plants) and constant shooting awareness drills, more students don't become the shooters as opposed to the shootees.  I would never have saurvived that and retain much hope for the future.  What did Bob Dylan say: 'twenty years of schooling and they put you on the day shift?'

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:09 | 4245530 Withdrawn Sanction
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"Do whatever's necessary even if it means telling the principal to go fuck himself."

Amen, Wyatt.  And A+

Anytime something remotely dangerous happens near a school the media gushes "such-and-such a school is lock down."  As if schools were some sort of prison or something.  Oh wait, what?

The frog marches are designed to inculcate passivity and helplessness among students (and their parents).  

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 07:59 | 4246182 zhandax
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"Both of you play COD & GTA enough on the console."

While I personally think computer games are part of the problem, I realize their inevitability and applaud you for using them to advantage.

What would happen if you said "Hey kids, let's go out in the woods this weekend with some real guns and waste some squirrels?"

Amazing what happens to a kid when he sees that he shoots something and it stops breathing.  The understanding happens when he sees it as food.  Substitute wild turkey or whatever your choice.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 16:51 | 4244491 TeamDepends
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My advice to you is to keep your head in the sand.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:01 | 4244547 Fortunate Fool
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For some reason, when it comes to discussions about guns, logic seems to disappear. It's not so difficult to understand that more guns leads to more shooting, since the purpose of a gun is to, well, shoot...

"A study by two New York City cardiologists found that the U.S. has 88 guns per 100 people and 10 gun-related deaths per 100,000 people — more than any of the other 27 developed countries they studied."



Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:07 | 4244570 Fedaykinx
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that's funny, especially since gun sales are generally up and violent crime is generally down.

again, go fuck yourself.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:12 | 4244590 Fortunate Fool
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I guess you just pulled that out of your ass? Thanks again for your immensely valuable contribution to this discussion.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:17 | 4244625 Fedaykinx
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fbi crime stats and industry sales numbers.  it's called google, you should look into it.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:18 | 4244639 JP McManus
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For a 0.01% chance of dying by a gun, I'm in favor of keeping the 2nd amendment.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:49 | 4244658 drB
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Murder rate:

Gun ownership rate:

Anyone with at least 1 brain cell can see that those are not correlated. Compare Scandinavian and Russian rates.

Edit: if you bother to look at the maps, you can see that countries with most guns often have very low murder rates.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:58 | 4244787 Poundsand
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I know I shouldn't get pulled into the trolling but...

Per Bloomberg guns sells are not just up, they use the term "gun-buying frenzy" to describe 2013. It "surged" 54% from 2008 to 2012 before that.  Not only that, but gun patents set a 35 year high as well.  The article was 12/2/2013.

As for gun violence, the FBI says that homocides committed with firearms peaked in 1993 at 17,075 and have been falling steadily, down to 10,869 in 2008.  Nonfatal firearm crime has also fallen from 1.3 million incidents in 1994, to 414,562 in 2011.  Hmmmm.  For the mathmatically challenged that is a 2/3 drop.

Victims?  1,529,742 in 1993 down to 467,562 in 2011. 

So much for pulling it out of his ass...

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:34 | 4244914 Blano
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Subtract out the gang bangers in the ghettos and the number and percentages get even smaller.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:58 | 4245190 Parrotile
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Remington Outdoor predicting $1.2 BILLION in sales for 2013 Seems a LOT of people are buying a LOT of guns in the USA (interesting and revealing comments!!) Ammo sales are up there too - y'all are buying so much that there's none left over for the rest of us!, even with 24 hour operation by many Manufacturers!

As for "US Bulk Ammo" Google returns 14,500,000 pages; "Ammo by the container-load" yields 190,000 pages! What's gong on Chaps?? Expecting WW3 to start on your back doorstep??

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:00 | 4245200 Meat Hammer
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I just sold my SWHC stock for a 42% profit.  Thanks, Barack - 2013 gun salesman of the year!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:23 | 4245259 TeamDepends
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Meat, we just finished installing the gun turrets on the paradigm-shifting RV.  Of course, we had to sand "Love Machine" off the side but it's worth it, right?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:15 | 4244621 Blano
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More cars lead to more deaths by car accidents, you wanna ban cars too dipshit?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:27 | 4244676 Fortunate Fool
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I believe the primary function of a car is not to kill people. Guns, on the other hand...

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:31 | 4244688 Fedaykinx
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and yet if my intent is to mow down pedestrians with my SUV i turn an otherwise inanimate object into a weapon, all the same.  ffs you're dumb.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:36 | 4244716 Fortunate Fool
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Let say you are in a crowded place and you decide to go on a killing spree. How many people do you think you'll be able to kill with your SUV before you are stopped. Now same question if you have the same guns Adam Lanza used to kill those Grade 1 kids?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:38 | 4244723 Fedaykinx
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first of all, i have yet to see any actual proof of what he used or didn't use.

second of all, fuck you.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:46 | 4244742 Fortunate Fool
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Yeah, that's what I thought.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:57 | 4244783 Fedaykinx
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thought? nothing you're saying is based on rational thought.

i call bullshit.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:39 | 4244728 General Decline
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The primary function of a gun is to defend people. But, like a car, can be used to kill people. A gun is simply a tool. It's amazing how emotional people get over this subject.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:50 | 4244759 Fortunate Fool
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It's amazing how facts can be twisted. No, a gun's primary function is not to defend a person. It is to kill or injure a person. A bulletproof vest, a shield, etc. are protection equipments. 

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:02 | 4244804 NotApplicable
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Worse yet, it's amazing how opinions can be twisted into facts.

Fortunately you're a fool, so there's little danger of anyone taking you seriously.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:18 | 4244860 Fortunate Fool
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So since you are so smart, explain me which of my "opinion" I turned into "facts"... I really hope nobody takes me seriously, cause, you know, I don't matter. Just like you.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:07 | 4245187 TimmyM
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Just go read the Harvard law review study from a few months back.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:12 | 4244834 TeamDepends
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Spoken like a true bird.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:17 | 4244856 General Decline
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Fact: guns are tools

Fact: a gun can be used for defensive or offensive purposes.

Fact: a gun has no motivations; good nor evil

Opinion: leave emotions out of the gun control debate and things should become more clear for you.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:21 | 4244875 Fortunate Fool
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"Fact: guns are tools"

So is the rice cooker

"Fact: a gun can be used for defensive or offensive purposes"

Offensive yes, but if you try to use your gun as a shield, good luck...

"Fact: a gun has no motivations; good nor evil"

So does anything on earth that is not a living thing, which include human beings and some commenters on ZH.

"Opinion: leave emotions out of the gun control debate and things should become more clear for you."

Please point me to my oh so emotional messages. It seems to me that many here have a hard time controlling their emotions as soon as they hear "gun control". That's actually pretty untertaining to witness this predictible behaviour.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:34 | 4244912 OneTinSoldier66
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"...but if you try to use your gun as a shield, good luck"


Fact: Many a would-be rapist have been known to be deterred/thwarted by a woman carrying a gun.


Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:16 | 4245056 XitSam
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"are protection equipments."

You're not a native English speaker are you? Or will you claim a typo?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:42 | 4245146 Citxmech
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If a gun is not an instrument of defense/protection, why do cops carry guns?  Seems kind of strange if the folks that are supposed to "serve and protect" would be armed with instruments of strictly offensive mass-murder/mayhem. . . 

As a matter of fact, the only reason that I have an AR is because they are endorsed as the go-to means of protection when an active shooter is detected.  What's good for them, is good for me. 

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:39 | 4245139 bunzbunzbunz
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Correction: the primary function of a gun is to give people an enhanced ability to kill people (or animals). Said primary function is provided for the theoretical purpose of defense. A gun is not a defense until it threatens to or indeed does kill someone. 

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:41 | 4244731 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Disarm the cops then, they're dangerous.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:30 | 4244684 Overfed
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More people die from medical mistakes and adverse reactions to prescription drugs than from "gun violence", by about an order of magnitude.


Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:38 | 4244718 Fortunate Fool
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And? using a strawman argument doesn't make you smart.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:18 | 4244865 Overfed
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Actually, it's quite factual, and thus not a strawman. Fool.

Like I said earlier, go die in a fire.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:26 | 4244883 Fortunate Fool
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Then maybe you should go to wikipedia and look at the definiton of "strawman argument". Then you can come back here and we can argue about the best bbq sauce.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:33 | 4244911 drB
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Where is murder rate higher, in Switzerland with 46 guns/100 people, or Russia, with 9 guns/100 people?

After you answer that we can talk about straw-man arguments.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:11 | 4245506 ChanceIs
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Go ask Rahm Emanuel about the ratio of murders to guns in Chicago.

I think it is something like 1/x^2.  Or is it x^3? What's that...x^8. You're kidding me.  I be packing heat next time I go to the Windy City.

I like to go there.  You can look up Marilyn's skirt.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:05 | 4245521 ChanceIs
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My advice to you is to not let the boys in.

R. Zimmerman

No sense here.  Just felt like relating that.

Hey.  He was rap before rap was cool - or there was rap.

The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.


Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:07 | 4244571 mkkby
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Yep, and like clockwork out come the cock suckers like @fortunate fool,  who pretend not to notice all the other countries with high gun ownership who have very little crime.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:14 | 4244602 Fortunate Fool
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If you don't see the correlation between gun ownership rate and gun-related death, maybe that one could help you. Scroll below to see the table:

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:23 | 4244651 Fedaykinx
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you need a foot correlated with your ass.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:13 | 4245053 BlackChicken
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There is already an anal cranial collocation.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:44 | 4244735 Squirrelmonkey
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Not intended to flame Fortunate Fool....just stating the statistics.


According to National Underwriter magazine Nov. 2013:

-Homicides with Firearms decreased 39% since 1993 (source DOJ)

-Other crime with firearm decreased 69% since 1993 (source DOJ)

-Cumulative firearm to market increased 100,000,000 (source ATF AFMER  & USTIC)

-56% of Americans think crime has increased even though it has plummeted since the 1990's (Source Pew Research Center)

-Unintentional Firearm Fatalities down 58% (from 1,441 in 1991 to 600 in 2011) (source National Safety Council)

-43% of americans have firearms in their homes.


These are not Pro Firearms organizations making up numbers. The actual chart I am quoting can be found on page 22 of the November 2013 National Underwriter Magazine.





Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:43 | 4244738 bunzbunzbunz
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From your own link: South Africa has about the same gun deaths per capita, but 1/6 of the guns per capita. I've looked pretty hard for any correlation. There seems to been none pro or against guns.

Guns per capita has doubled, while percentage of murders committed with a gun remains pretty steady.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:17 | 4245545 Withdrawn Sanction
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"correlation between gun ownership rate and gun-related death"

Ever hear the one about correlation is NOT causation?  Didn't think so.  

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:27 | 4244672 Headbanger
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Dear Fortunate Fool:

How about if the teachers at Newtown were armed?? Or if there were armed security at that school instead of this la la land liberal bullshit that it;s the number of guns that's the problem??

Fact is the Newtown massacre could have and would have been stopped or at least lessened by a single 22LR shot to the perpetrator's skull had one of the teachers been so armed.


Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:43 | 4244732 Fortunate Fool
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1- there is no guarantee that the teacher or any other guard would have been able to stop him.

2- a significant number of kids would probably have been killed before this guy was shot down.


No matter how you look at the issue, more guns would inevitably lead to more shootings. The problem is that guns are too easily available and are too often in the wrong hands (i.e. mentally ill or unstable).

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:42 | 4244957 Lin S
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Run your country however you want to, pea brain, and please STFU and GTFO of ours.



Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:42 | 4245148 bunzbunzbunz
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What is the Tea party MEME?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 23:13 | 4245668 Tall Tom
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Fortunate Fool...

I just posted the following on YouTube as a direct result of your Trolling...

You have done a fine job for your cause...

It is funny. I like the fact that they hand you aluminum cans after you board.

Rip them into two and they are as sharp and deadly as any Box Cutter.

Of course the next time that you fly you must get ready for your strip search.

I published that fact on a National Association of Rocketry Comment Section so that is how the Government retaliated..

Of course Rockets can deliver devices like these into Oil Refineries...starting Fires. And as you are not restricted to Axe Deodorant,  Automotive Starting Fluid is a much better Charge. Add to that you are not restricted to a Coffee Thermos. A plunger at the top of the pipe can serve to break the Glass on impact.

(Rockets are always Top Heavy as that helps provide for the Aerodynamic Equilibrium. The Center of Gravity must be at least one Diameter of the Rocket Body ahead of the Center of Pressure.)

Pipes with grooves cut into the sides will allow for a more symmetrical charge. (Think about the Pineapple Grenade.)

If the Oil Refineries are shut down for any substantial period, due to fires, it will immobilize the large Coastal Megapolises as there will be a lack of refined fuels..

The lack of refined fuel will lead to Food Transportation problems. As the cities starve they will riot.

Who in their right mind will board an aircraft with a Bomb? It just ensures their demise. Besides much more damage can be done with what I just exposed. Why bother with Airplanes when one can starve Tens of Millions? The system is so much more fragile than the Government wants anyone to know.

Someone can short sell the Oil Companies and take a Long Position in Unleaded Gas. and become very rich doing just that.

Now I am NOT SUGGESTING THAT ANYBODY DOES THIS. But I am letting you know that it can be done. War really is a very bad thing. We haven't a clue in the USA.

Keep up the good work. I am tired of the TSA molesting children and abusing the disabled. The TSA protects nobody and serves to create the Police State. It needs to be abolished.

And then they think that Guns are a problem?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:57 | 4244780 FeralSerf
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There is lack of credible evidence to suggest that the "Newtown Massacre" was not a covert government operation. The accused "shooter" is an unlikely suspect.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:38 | 4244931 FeralSerf
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It's comforting to know that our public servants are on the job to promptly down vote any posts that might suggest official malfeasance.

I wonder what GS level sock puppet is and if it varies depending on the site that's being monitored.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 10:08 | 4246262 The Chief
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Somewhere in the US right now are several very sick fucks that work with one or more alphabet agencies and are responsible for the planning and execution of several of these massacres. It should be all of our responsibility to find these fucks, even if you just heavily suspect them, and do what is necessary.

Think about the insane minds that have spent millions upon millions of our tax dollars to develop the programs and develop the monsters that carry out these orders. Think about the sick minds that issue the orders.

Nothing will shield them, nothing, when the SHTF. My guess is that the same program(s) that created these fuckers provided these beasts with the mental tools required to live with themselves. That said, they still need to go with predjudice...even if they couldn't care less whether they lived or died. Rooting them out should be our top priority. We can start with their apologists and go from there. Just a thought.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 10:10 | 4246263 The Chief
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Double post. Sorry.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:15 | 4244846 tony wilson
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some folks called this woman mad well they would.

sometimes truth sounds insane.





Sandy Hook Hoax Ultimate (Case Closed)

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:39 | 4244726 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Mayor Mike B., is that you?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:38 | 4245136 Papasmurf
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Was this shooting in a gun-free zone?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:05 | 4244569 666
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Well, this won't happen anymore starting next year because ObummerCare kicks in and has mental illness covered.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 16:40 | 4244432 Overfed
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The false-flag attacks will continue 'til you fuckers give up your guns.-----Sincerly TPTB.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:01 | 4244480 Headbanger
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What the fuck is with Colorado!!?? 

I live in one of the most heavily armed (yet liberal by most standards) states in what was once called the USA and this shit doesn't happen!

Nor does this shit happen in Texas which is often condemned as a "gun state"

It happens in "white bread" states like Connecticut and Colorado.  WTF!?

So don't go blaming gun possession as the problem but something fucked up in the culture.

Point being, If you live in a heavily armed state like Texas, Alabama or my neck of the woods, you know everybody is armed and a good shot.

Go ahead.  Rage on my heavily armed, reloading, yet neighborly, lawful, respectable ass!


It isn't the guns but the people and their lack of real socialization with their 30-06, 270, 308, 7.62 x whatever, 8x57, 9mm, 45 ACP, 40 S&W, 32 auto, 25 auto, 22LR, 17 HMR, pellet, long & cross bow shooting brethren & sister shooters!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:03 | 4244549 TeamDepends
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"White bread"?  Nigga, please!

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