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Russia Stations Tactical, Nuclear-Capable Missiles Along Polish Border

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"Russia will deploy Iskander missile systems in its enclave in Kaliningrad to neutralize, if necessary, the anti-ballistic missile system in Europe."

      - Dmitry Medvedev, former Russian president, November 2008 in his first presidential address to the Russian people

2013 was a year when Europe tried to reallign its primary source of natgas energy, from Gazpromia to Qatar, and failed. More importantly, it was a year in which Russia's Vladimir Putin undisputedly won every foreign relations conflict that involved Russian national interests, to the sheer humiliation of both John Kerry and Francois Hollande. However, it seems the former KGB spy had a Plan B in case things escalated out of control, one that fits with what we wrote a few days ago when we reported that "Russia casually announces it will use nukes if attacked." Namely, as Bloomberg reports citing Bild, Russia quietly stationed a double-digit number of SS-26 Stone, aka Iskander, tactical, nuclear-capable short-range missiles near the Polish border in a dramatic escalation to merely verbal threats issued as recently as a year ago.

The range of the Iskander rockets:

From Bloomberg:

  • Russia has stationed missiles with a range of about 500 kilometers in its Kaliningrad enclave and along its border with the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, Germany’s Bild-Zeitung reports, citing defense officials it didn’t identify.
  • Satellite images show a “double-digit” amount of mobile units identified as SS-26 Stone in NATO code
  • Missiles were stationed within the past 12 months
  • SS-26 can carry conventional as well as nuclear warheads

In other words, Russia quietly has come through on its threat issued in April 2012, when it warned it would deploy Iskander missiles that could target US missile defense systems in Poland. From RIA at the time:

Moscow reiterated on Tuesday it may deploy Iskander theater ballistic missiles in the Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad that will be capable of effectively engaging elements of the U.S. missile defense system in Poland.

 

NATO members agreed to create a missile shield over Europe to protect it against ballistic missiles launched by so-called rogue states, for example Iran and North Korea, at a summit in Lisbon, Portugal, in 2010.

 

The missile defense system in Poland does not jeopardize Russia’s nuclear forces, Army General Nikolai Makarov, chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, said. 

 

“However, if it is modernized…it could affect our nuclear capability and in that case a political decision may be made to deploy Iskander systems in the Kaliningrad region,” he said in an interview with RT television.

 

But that will be a political decision,” he stressed. “So far there is no such need.”

Looks like a little over a year later, the "political decision" was taken as the need is there. But why does Russia need to send a very clear message of escalation at a time when the Cold War is long over, when globalization and free trade, promote game theoretic world peace (or "piece" as the Obama administration wouldsay), oh, and when Russia quietly has decided to reestablish the former USSR starting with the Ukraine.

We'll leave the rhetorical question logically unanswered.

 


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Sat, 12/14/2013 - 11:33 | Link to Comment JamesBond
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first strike bitchez

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 11:45 | Link to Comment SilverIsKing
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That's just Vlad being the big ole jokester he is.

Has he tried the 'pull my finger' gag yet?

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 11:49 | Link to Comment cossack55
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...Kerry. Hollande......

They forgot John Graham and Lindsey McCain

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:18 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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To whomever wrote this article, Russia is most likely staging these missiles because the US has never stopped fighting the Cold War.

The US staged tactical nukes in Turkey and caused the Cuban Missile Crisis and they haven't changed.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:42 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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What! The USA stop fighting the cold war? Do you realize the cost to corporate America if the cold war military spending had stopped by a significant percentage? Profits and stocks would have tumbled, share holders would have been hit, portfolio and hedge funders would have seen a decline in year on year profits. No, the American tax payer is a cash cow and corporate America has proven time and again that by influencing congress they can ram through aggressive military policies to push Russia into the needed defense outlays, thus the USA can scream THREAT, and build more. It worked every time, and every time the US tax payer pays more and corporate profit soar. It is an economic model in practice since the end of WWII.

Russia has, if you read the history since the cold war ended, offered a number of good deals to end the arms race, instead, NATO has expanded to Russia's borders, put radar and missile systems in former East Block countries. and gone the color revolution route. NATO issues daily threats that the existence of Russia is a danger to peaceful NATO.

Putin had no choice. The US arms build up in the East is aimed at nuclear superiority and first strike capability. Islkander in Kaliningrad is a defensive range of missile and radar systems. In that role, it is a perfect weapon. It can use EMP, or cluster bomb air field killers, or high explosives. If NATO goes nuts, which seems probable, tactical nukes can be put on Iskander. Looking at the military superiority of NATO, a Russian leader who did not put Iskander in Kaliningrad would be a fool.

I suggest also that many of the units the west counted with their intelligence are simply decoys. The real Iskander launchers are, for the most part, carefully hidden. That way the NATO strike hits worthless sheetmetal decoys, or rubber decoys. See the NATO war against Serbia to witness how this works, as Serbia used Russian Army decoy doctrine in that war.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:23 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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"Puti Poot" knew exactly what he was dealing with after the events of 9/11 unfolded. 

The U.S. stock market bubble -yeah remember the first one of the new Century? had already gotten underway and pressure was continuing to build to extract as much remaining wealth and influence through the oligarchs for the oil and other resources put in place nearly ten years earlier under Yeltsin.  Systematically and to Putin's credit, he managed to kick out all of the most important ones and threw the biggest threats in jail.  Guidance  and the appearance of support in the early stages of the U.S. "war on terror" was the smartest move and only thing he could do at that point.

Pro Russian nationalists would have had to have had a frontal lobotomy or been financially influenced from outside to run after the idea of joining the NATO alliance.  After reading that red herring which was so blatantly obvious along with participation in a missile defense shield with the ex-iron curtain countries it became abundantly clear the clock was ticking and that it was just a matter of time before the Western banks would slowly be choking themselves to death and Putin has been more than accomodating in giving them plenty of rope to hang themselves.

Now here we are the moment is fast approaching and the Western banks aren't getting their way including China.  Is it worth World War III?  I believe these guys are so fucking greedy that for them having anything less than "all of it" is unthinkable.

We know we can't expect the American people to be intelligent enough and  introspective in making value decisions about there own future in the worst economic crisis of our times that they refuse to acknowledge, so it's up to the guys on those submarines and in the missile silos to do it for us I guess?

Let's spend the rest of our time calculating the statisical probability that nothing with that will go wrong!

Merry Xmas & Happy New Year!

 

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:06 | Link to Comment knukles
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On a long enough time horizon....

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 15:13 | Link to Comment mjcOH1
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"To whomever wrote this article, Russia is most likely staging these missiles because the US has never stopped fighting the Cold War.

The US staged tactical nukes in Turkey and caused the Cuban Missile Crisis and they haven't changed."

 

But on a positive note, we can now deliver B61 nuclear gravity bombs to those launch crews while flying the plane from a desk in Langly with a fresh Frappachino and McRib in the 'cockpit'.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 15:49 | Link to Comment gallistic
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+1 Anusocracy

It is very refreshing to see someone who knows their history. The Cuban missiles were indeed, a countermeasure, just like the Iskanders are today.

The US had installed Jupiter missiles right on the Turkish border with Russia. When the Russians turned around and did the same thing the US had done to Russia, Kennedy's panties wadded up and he hysterically panicked, probably because they did it under our very nose.

The only difference was that at the time, the US had been conducting covert warfare and sabotage against Cuba. We had already invaded Cuba with a proxy army that was US funded, trained, and supplied. Operation Mongoose, Northwoods, and several others were also underway.

In the end, the US missiles in Turkey (and Italy) were very quietly removed as part of the final agreement. That part never made it into the news.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 17:44 | Link to Comment mjcOH1
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"In the end, the US missiles in Turkey (and Italy) were very quietly removed as part of the final agreement. That part never made it into the news."

No more nor less so than Oswald's trips to the USSR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

nor Jack Ruby's trips to and organized crime ties with Cuba
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ruby

And purely coincidental to the US economic embargo against Cuba which stands to this day, while allowing trade with China, Vietnam, and a host of other communist countries or countries which have a declared foreign policy hostile to the United States.

Sometimes payback's a bitch for everyone involved.  

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 15:14 | Link to Comment trader1
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Vasili Alexandrovich Arkhipov (Russian:) (30 January 1926 – 19 August 1998) was a Soviet Navyofficer. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, he prevented the launch of a nuclear torpedo and thereby prevented a nuclear war. Thomas Blanton (then director of the National Security Archive) said in 2002 that "a guy called Vasili Arkhipov saved the world".[1]

 

Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov (Russian:; born c. 1939) is a retired lieutenant colonel of the Soviet Air Defence Forces. On September 26, 1983, he was the duty officer at the command center for the Oko nuclear early-warning system when the system reported that a missile was being launched from the United States. Petrov judged the report to be a false alarm,[1] and his decision is credited with having prevented an erroneous retaliatory nuclear attack on the United States and its NATO allies that could have resulted in large-scale nuclear war. Investigation later confirmed that the satellite warning system had indeed malfunctioned.[2]

 

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/featured/the-man-who-saved-the-world-abo...

http://www.logtv.com/films/redbutton/video.htm

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 20:44 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Thanks for posting these two, they are the "silent heroes" of history the West will never talk about.

Lets hope we have men and women in uniform still left in this Country that will be brave and resolute enough to live in there shadows when they are asked to do the unthinkable.

Going on 13 years of this shit and the lies that have killed millions for USD supremacy and oil, I'm not so optimistic about the thinking capacity of any of them.

Let's hope they prove us all wrong.

 

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 22:18 | Link to Comment JR
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Well said, and the hope you’ve expressed reminds me of the great poem:

God, Give Us Men!

GOD, give us men!
A time like this demands
Strong minds, great hearts, true faith and ready hands;
Men whom the lust of office does not kill;
Men whom the spoils of office can not buy;
Men who possess opinions and a will;
Men who have honor; men who will not lie;
Men who can stand before a demagogue
And damn his treacherous flatteries without winking!
Tall men, sun-crowned, who live above the fog
In public duty, and in private thinking;
For while the rabble, with their thumb-worn creeds,
Their large professions and their little deeds,
Mingle in selfish strife, lo! Freedom weeps,
Wrong rules the land and waiting Justice sleeps.

Josiah Gilbert Holland

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 22:58 | Link to Comment Crash Overide
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...and all this talk in Russia about getting rid of the USD lately, and the timing of this recent development.

Didn't something similar happen in Libya? Would bankers be dumb enough to pick a fight with USSR?

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 15:40 | Link to Comment Joe A
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Because of clever tactics used by the Serbs, NATO did not hit sufficient number of military targets. So what did NATO do? Hit civilian targets. The Serbian government released a statement the last days saying that they expect a surge in cancer cases next year due to the effects of bombing a civilian infrastructure to bits.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment saveUSsavers
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Thank you Russia! SOMEONE NEEDS TO PUT THE BOOT ON THE NECK of the US of Arsewholes!

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:53 | Link to Comment Headbanger
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No...  The real reason Putin is placing these missiles there is because he knows Obama is a lying goof ball ass-hat leader of the Free (Shit) World.

China sees Obozo the same way and sees us as a nation of self absorbed neurotic douche bags who elected such an imbecile!

 

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:39 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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Agree. Obama is weak, compromised, and/or maybe even a foreign agent in Russian or Chinese employ. Don't think this is really that complicated.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:07 | Link to Comment knukles
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Who down-voted that comment?
Wake and grow the fuck up!

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:52 | Link to Comment john39
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in Russian or Chinese employ? that part doesn't make any sense.  Obama is a zionist puppet.  they go through quite a bit of trouble trying to hide that fact, including by setting up obama to appear muslim.  but this should be transparent for anyone who looks at actions, rather than words.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 19:21 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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Did you ever consider that the Zionist/Illuminati/powers-that-be are happy to have the US run by a Russian or Chinese agent? I agree that he's a puppet, but sometimes the puppet masters have puppet masters...

Wheels within wheels. If you want to destroy the USA, maybe it serves their interests to have Chinese or Russian fingerprints left at the scene of the crime.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 15:01 | Link to Comment assistedliving
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to be like you?

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 15:26 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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I, for one. All conjecture.

If anybody has shit on Obonobo it is the NSA/CIA.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment Husk-Erzulie
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Or, O bong-water is in the putative employ of the self same interests which employed Vladimir Illyich, Uncle Joe, and Adolph.  In which case of course we are as well and truly fucked as the Germans, Ukranians etc. were, ca. 1930 or so...  perhaps 'the employers' have a plan which involves China and perhaps it is executing perfectly.  A certain H. Paulson character has been spending an awful lot of time in China recently... sight seeing?  I think not.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 15:55 | Link to Comment gallistic
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"a foreign agent in Russian or Chinese employ"

That is a monster assertion that would justify storming the Bastille and deposing the puppet Russian or Chinese rule in the United States.

Before we go, I have to ask-

Do you have any, you know... evidence for that?

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 19:24 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
Sat, 12/14/2013 - 21:38 | Link to Comment gallistic
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It is an impossible stretch and the worst kind of crap.

I think we can put away the pitchforks now...

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 22:48 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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If you think about it, it sort of seems obvious he plays for the other team.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 22:53 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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No because it is the only geopolitical card that Putin has left to play right now in Eastern Europe.  It is also the only part of the Russian military that has received consistent and high dollar value funding since the end of the Cold War (Russian Strategic Rocket Forces).

This is much ado about nothing really.  Just some saber rattling by the Russians to distract some attention away from the Ukraine events.  That's all.   

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:28 | Link to Comment caShOnlY
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I think we're going to see some "small" country get smoked sacrificially, maybe poland.  This will send a message Russia is not joking.  The cold war is just heating up again.  The alliances will be those with real money against those with paper promise debt coupons.   If your caught holding gold in the USSA when this happens you will be called a traitor and sent to camp.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:12 | Link to Comment knukles
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The serious betting at the "in the know levels of Patriarchy" is that there will soon be a troika of Russia, China and Iran offering their most fervent services to spread freedom and democracy, happiness, peace and prosperity across the face of the entire plant.

Faced off by a Western alliance, soft, self-absorbed, comatose, indoctrinated, socialist cradle to grave, corporate welfare system in which nobody works nor is responsible for a fucking thing that happens or doesn't happen, all bounded by the monied elite milking the entirety of society under a condition of complete lawlessness.

Awesome!
Would make one hell of a Massive Multiple Player On-line Game.

(which it is, giggle)

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:32 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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"I think we're going to see some "small" country get smoked sacrificially,"

There is one in the Middle East that deserves a close look.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:26 | Link to Comment Freddie
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No one ever mentions the Atlas missiles in Turkey when they lionize JFL for handling the Cuban missile crisis which was a fiasco.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 16:02 | Link to Comment gallistic
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I am not trying to second-guess history, but in my humble opinion, JFK's hysterical reaction actually escalated and aggravated an already tense situation.

I am glad rational grown-ups settled both missile issues without incinerating the planet.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:42 | Link to Comment holgerdanske
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Not to forget the O$AMA himself. Didn't get his little war on Syria.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:37 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Fact: Russia has tried for years to...

- become part of NATO
- have NATO's missile shield installed closer to Iran, I.e. on the Russia/Iran border.

They were rebuffed on both counts. As they knew they would be. Heck, they couldn't even get the basic specs on the ABMs, e.g. speed data. But it exposed the US-driven lie about the shield's alleged purpose.

The Neocons and Zionist, who do nothing but steal, enslave and kill, and who have the ultimate "entitlement" mentality (as neo-feudal overlords), are the diabolical enemy of all humanity, and they MUST go.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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spot on Kirk, spot on

~~~

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:48 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Indeed Captain Kirk! The history is clear and it is fact that Russia asked for negotiations to bring Russia into the NATO treaty system. Though this did happen at a time of extreme Russian weakness, still, it was offered in a serious manner and the response from the US military, congress and media was panic and an immediate campaign to kill even the thought of it. Like I posted above, if Russia became a friendly treaty nation, the corporate profit stream in American military industry would dry up. Not to mention thousands of military careers ruined by peace. Perhaps 300 thousand career military would have had to join the private sector, and you know that was not going to happen.

Instead of peace, NATO began a drive to the East, and now seeks Georgia and Ukraine as NATO bases. This will lead to conflict, because Russia is feeling much stronger now and unwilling to be rolled over. Even better for Russia, is the USA is making noise about an armed conflict with China. This means Russia's East will have a friendly nation to guard the rear. The USA and NATO are seeking a return to the Cold war world, and it is happening. This is bullish for stocks and for all those shares connected to the military. Go long these stocks.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:30 | Link to Comment caShOnlY
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"ruined by peace"

War is dead.  Long live war!

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:12 | Link to Comment Pseudo Anonym
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hmm,

...(as neo-feudal overlords), are the diabolical enemy of all humanity, and they MUST go.

they have faces, names and addresses.  you know?  it's the fear of naming them and pointing a finger at every single individual involved is what keeps them safely doing what they're doing and is the sole reason why  they will not go!  i presume it was your terminal fear of being called anti-semite that kept you from being specific and that was the reason why you chose the totally non descriptive, non actionable and vague label "diabolical overlords".  who are these mighty overlords and how does one prosecute them?  that's what i want to know.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Ocean22
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Well, we know WHO they are, (zionists) how do we stop them? good question.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 23:27 | Link to Comment Drifter
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"it's the fear of naming them and pointing a finger at every single individual involved is what keeps them safely doing what they're doing and is the sole reason why  they will not go!"

You've lost your mind if you think naming and pointing at them will accomplish anything.

Other nations know what Americans refuse to accept.  "They" are too numerous to to identify and "take out" one by one. 

The disease has spread thru the enitre organism.  It has infected not only those at the top, but has also infected 90% of the American population.  America has become the greediest nation on the planet.   It cannot be saved.  It must be terminated to kil the disease, and that's what will end up happening, America will be taken out, not by plan or desire, but by necessity.

 

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment CPL
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Bingo. 

Top to bottom of the real powers that be, everyone is point blank sick of it and I'm sure Santa's got a list of them causing it that will be dealt with by the end of the Solstace.  The world doesn't need kings or hedgimonic leaders, it needs community and future together that the people of this planet are very capable of doing by their own cooperation in sciences, organisation and imagination.  It is 'this' close.  Everything from engineering, architecture, distribution chains, processes, food production, communications, art, faith, cool movies, all of it from Earth by people from Earth.  It's all here.

Yet here we all are watching a tiny percentage of people on Earth completely forget that there is no uHaul behind the hearse.  At least this time there won't be for them, unless they smarten up.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:51 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Unfortunately, the stupidsters of the world will want to protect themselves from the evil ongoings of government with...

government.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:50 | Link to Comment fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Stalin was the leader of the USSR and killed tens of millions. Attempting to defend Russian aggression as blameless is a lie.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 22:10 | Link to Comment YHC-FTSE
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No point for me to post a long one because Kirk & Jack did a superb job.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, I watched in disbelief as opportunities for a lasting peace and cooperation were squandered by "our side" with old cold war paranoia, schadenfreude and smug satisfaction as the Russians reached out with both arms on every levels of security and economic concerns.  Professional analysts will tell you that there has been a concerted and deliberate effort during the last decade to turn the world back to the height of the cold war. We now know that there were at least two occasions when the world was minutes away from nuclear Armageddon during the early Reagan era, but by the grace of God or chance it was averted by men of conscience.  I doubt we will be that lucky again. 

Sun, 12/15/2013 - 02:22 | Link to Comment scrappy
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Very good comment.

My Mgt. Prof, ended up going there as a "Widrow Wilson" Scholar to "help rebuild institutions"

Seeing any irony above?

She seemed to be sincere, but of course us.gov was not.

Sad, the opportunity was missed.

I hope your last sentence proves to be wrong, but it would take a miracle and a lot of effort by many to achieve what most of us desire regarding this escalating dangerous situation.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 22:49 | Link to Comment Crash Overide
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Like Vlad or not he plays the game well.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Doubtful. None of TPTB wants to risk their own lives by starting a nuke attack. At least not the ones who possess a modicum of common sense.

Crap! We're screwed.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 17:21 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Always remember Nanny Moose (boy, if I had a dollar for every time I said that !!! (thanks go to fonz for the steal)), TPTB want the Earth's population to be about 500 million. Nucs could get us there real fast, before the important resources run low...

Sun, 12/15/2013 - 00:50 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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What good is having all the resources, when everything is irradiated, including the water? What more precious resource is there, than water?

 

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:25 | Link to Comment XAU XAG
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they are there to make sure Europe pays it's Gas bill!

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 23:56 | Link to Comment TheLoveArtist
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LOL Right on the money baby.  And that is why the Chinese are also putting out that aircraft carrier to sea.  Let's see those African nations try to pull the rug out on the Chinese and default on their loans.  That projection of power is necessary to make sure nobody around the world screws you over financially.  The Chinese play the game well as do the Russians.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 11:40 | Link to Comment Nikao7
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The Kings of The East are fed up with the Fed and America....bitchez

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 11:49 | Link to Comment Ayr Rand
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Russia's first strike was defaulting on its debt. When the US does the same (but only for Russia and China-owned Treasuries) the bill will be settled. 

A single US submarine can destroy hundreds of Russian or Chinese cities within minutes. This tactical nuke operation is just comical. 

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 11:49 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Calling William Banzai......  nuke cloud withe smiley face, please.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 11:49 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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"A single US submarine can destroy hundreds of Russian or Chinese cities within minutes."

Is that your idea of a winning solution?

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 11:58 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Notice the user name.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:03 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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It's always those who will not fight that demand an escalation to the violence. For them, it's not war with all it's horror, it's entertainment like a football game or a Kathryn Bigelow movie.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:05 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Seems to have something in common with yours...

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:34 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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They were separated at birth.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:01 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Rand, I posted below for Alien IQ, he seems to not have kept pace with Naval History or modern naval developments. Even a google search would have turned up Russia's newest class of Fleet Ballistic Missile Submarine. The first boat is deployed and the others are now in production. 1 of these boats is all that is needed to toast Alien's city and a few dozen more. Basically 1 boat could end the American century.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:26 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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He probably imagines himself surviving in a bunker with 100 fertile women.  Always the same with these guys.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:41 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Obama is ending America's Century.  Putin on RT, video on youtube, joked about the USA after the USSR fell apart.  There is real hatred for how the USSA treated Russia afterwards.  Putin roughly joked that the USA let us play with our weapons systems because they thought we had rusted junk.  He than turned more serious and said - we no longer have junk.

The Russians are excellent in math and programming.  You can pretty much bet that their defense companies can match or exceed the West now.  USA defense companies are so corrupt.  Putin bet the bank on really good missiles and the bet has paid off.

Sun, 12/15/2013 - 06:34 | Link to Comment silvermail
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Deliver a nuclear warhead to the target is not easy. But quietly put of a nuclear warhead on the bottom, can any vessel.
Russian scientists have long possess the technology of directed underwater nuclear explosion.
With this explosion, there is a waves height of several miles. Such a wave, will just wash away all the cities on the all coasts.
How many of these nuclear weapons lies in the ocean around the U.S. and waiting for the signal to start? No one knows. And no one knows exactly where they are .

We must understand that Russia - this is not Vietnam, Afghanistan, Serbia or Libya.
A minute after Russia realizes that U.S. attacked them, all the military and civilians satellites in space, will be destroyed. And will follow riposte from all directions.
Will be no winners. And those who accidentally will remain alive, will envy the dead.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:36 | Link to Comment Lumberjack
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I would assume that both sides have similar capabilities ( including others). Nothing will come of this.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:44 | Link to Comment caShOnlY
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Is that your idea of a winning solution?

Let him go , he's on a roll.  I am sure his idea of money is one of the 7 credit cards in his wallet. 

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 11:59 | Link to Comment omi
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Dafuq, please get your facts right.
Russia repaid its debts. On top of that, they went as far back as clearing all the debts to France from long ago, in what I assume a good faith step to establish better relations with European countries. Putin is one smart dude!

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:32 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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'Russia forgives WHOPPING $29 Billion of Cuban debt'

''Russia and Cuba have quietly signed an agreement to write off 90 percent of Cuba’s $32 billion debt to the defunct Soviet Union, a deal that ends a 20-year squabble and opens the way for more investment and trade, Russian and European diplomats said.

THE SOVIET UNION “LOANED” CUBA BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR MANY DECADES AND BOUGHT SUGAR AT INFLATED PRICES. FIDEL SAID RUSSIA BROKE TRADE AGREEMENTS AFTER THE COLLAPSE OF THE USSR SO FIDEL DECIDED TO STOP PAYING ALL RUSSIAN DEBTS.''

http://havanajournal.com/business/entry/russia-forgives-whopping-29-bill...

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Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Thanks for that story Dick! I had heard of this problem. By clearing away the debt, a cash rich Russia and an even cash richer China can begin investment in Cuba. Imagine the right wingers in Miami, they will be going fucking nuts when billions of investment dollars go into Cuba. Cuba has potential in it's educated population once some investment capital flows in. ANd the health care costs would nit be carried by employers either. Thus Cuba would be an attractive investment destination. The Neo-Cons will be filling out in Washington when they hear this!

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:54 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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It's smart of Putin to keep Cuba on his good side, but I sincerely doubt he's going to "invest" any money into this communist shithole. After all, Putin has first hand experience in communist shitholes.

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/michael-j-totten/once-great-city...

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:26 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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Despite your "sincere doubt", you are wrong.

Russia-Cuba ties are seeing a renaissance, Valentina Matviyenko, chairwoman of Russia’s Federation Council stated during her visit to Cuba where she met with the country’s leader Raul Castro and President of Cuba’s National Assembly Esteban Lazo.

0Matviyenko has also praised the expansion of bilateral partnership, trade, economic, scientific and humanitarian cooperation between the countries.

Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_05_19/Russia-Cuba-ties-are-seeing-renaissa...

Russia to inject $3 billion into Cuban projects
http://rbth.co.uk/articles/2012/07/16/russia_to_inject_3_billion_into_cu...

Russian Oil Company to Drill off Cuba

HAVANA – Russian oil company Zarubezhneft plans to continue drilling in deepwater areas off Cuba “in the next few days,” using a Norwegian rig that is on the island, state media reported, citing state-owned Cubapetroleo.

http://laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=657065&CategoryId=14510

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 19:17 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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Oh, it's about oil. Well, that makes sense. At least the Russians are going to get something out of it.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 15:37 | Link to Comment RSDallas
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Ready yourself for the Bay of Pigs II.  Don't screw it up this time Obammy.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 11:59 | Link to Comment greatbeard
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>> only for Russia and China-owned Treasuries

You seem to ignore the biggest open secret, they have already defaulted on the SS treasuries.  They always start with the least able to defend themselves, like any good bully.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:07 | Link to Comment El Vaquero
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Yeah, a boomer can destroy all sorts of shit.  But that's nuclear war, which is bad. 

 

IMO, this is just Russia trying to do what we did to the USSR in the cold war:  Get us to spend money that we don't have to break us. 

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:38 | Link to Comment NoClueSneaker
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... anything is better than a million of angry rednecks with their guns and ropes in NY od DC ....

Even an GlobalThermonuclearKeynesianUltimativeLeverageBoost

is walk in the park in comparison. Shoot Vlad, shoot, and please hurry ....

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:49 | Link to Comment caShOnlY
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IMO, this is just Russia trying to do what we did to the USSR in the cold war:  Get us to spend money that we don't have to break us.

aren't you confusing Russia with Dubya Bush?.  Mission Accomplished!!

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:53 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Obviously you never served in the NAvy and had at sometimes the mission of tracking Soviet [Russian] Fleet Ballistic Missile Submarines. These now can operate in home waters due to the long range of their missiles. These waters are covered by surface ships and Russian Naval Air Craft. If you are feeling all powerful, I suggest you even buy a book on the Submarine confrontation between the USN and the USSR. The Russian Navy has just launched a new class of FBM and it is very capable of doing to the USA what we can do to them with one boat, as you pointed out.

What has changed since my day is that we tracked the USSR boats out in the open sea, the longer range missile mounted in the new Russian boats allow for launch from inside friendly waters under Naval and Air cover.

There are two sides to every war. You think a Russian FBM is a toy, because it didn't come from an American ship yard. Best think again.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:09 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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JB -- don't we also have SLBMs with 8000-mile range?

Why don't we put boomers in Lake Michigan?

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 22:50 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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I think you are lubricating a little obscenely, given the nature of the government that operates those boats. Russia is a hot mess in civilisation ending demographic implosion and they're doing this their resources. They're dangerous to humanity. Deadenders with thousands of megatons pointed at everybody else.

Sun, 12/15/2013 - 06:57 | Link to Comment silvermail
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And if so: USA is a hot mess in civilisation ending demographic implosion and they're doing this their FRN. They're dangerous to humanity.  Deadenders with thousands of megatons pointed at everybody else.

During the period from 1798 to 2002, the U.S. used military force abroad 238 times.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment skifff
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I'm interested if you know when was newest US ICBM was produced? developed?;-)

Russian nuclear TRIAD is ready at any point, including sub's, newest hardware at this point at 45% of total stratigic force and should get to 90% by 2020.;-)

In US at this point it's dream like "we choose to go to the Moon..."

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:14 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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Holy crap - I hadn't thought of that.

Trident-II is freaking 30 years old!  It's frikking steampunk!

We're doomed.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:21 | Link to Comment skifff
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yeah, Trident... what about ICBMs..;-)

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:29 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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But we have the Empire-projecting F-35 and lots of nice carrier groups.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:46 | Link to Comment skifff
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There is a story about carier groups. When USSR broke up US managed to buy some russian untiship missliles called X-31 in their training varaints to be exact 6 of them... tested... none of them were shut down by US NAVY in tests... you could google it.

Russia is a continental power it's strenth in ground forces carieres, simply, do not bear any potential harm to Russian Federation... Range of their weapons simply do not pose any threat to RF. 

In any case, russian sub's project 949A exist to destroy any carrier groups... from over 500km with F-14s gone "Vikings"-gone and so on carrier group is a large target, especially if you remember that Russia maintans tactical nuclear arsenal that covers rest of the world twice.

F-35 yeah! When you look at Jak-41 from which F-35 derived, looks like dying soviet empire managed to put it's pig in to glorious US AF;-)

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 17:49 | Link to Comment NoClueSneaker
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F-35 guarantees Global Air Demention . How about stuffing George McCain in dat peace of technology to win us a war against those chinese and russian llamas singlehandedly ....

 

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 19:37 | Link to Comment Karl von Bahnhof
Sat, 12/14/2013 - 20:32 | Link to Comment NoClueSneaker
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Me likes 35, especially Su-35S, but that's sum crapy legacy hardware :-P

No one, I'll tell you, no one can outscam LOCK*MART .

F-35 is an winner ... won 400 Bns. of Muppets money, still winning, and it will fly some day .... for sure.

 

 

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 21:39 | Link to Comment skifff
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Love today's tech;-) 

McCane was shot down in vietnam by guy who appiered in one of the russian documentaries about Vietnam 

he started his tale as "yeah funny story"...

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 15:04 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Carrier's are a naval albatross now.  The Russians could sink them in any engagement.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 15:43 | Link to Comment thestarl
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The recently launched Gerald Ford with a hefty 13 billion price tag, yeah imagine the worthwhile infrastructure that could've been built.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 17:59 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Oh God, I missed that.  What a waste.  For anyone who thinks the Russians are a joke in technology, think about this.   Who is essentially running and servicing the Space Station?   "Genius" Elon Musk is the wrong answer.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 17:36 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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The battle groups are dead boats floating.

Sun, 12/15/2013 - 07:05 | Link to Comment silvermail
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Oh yeah, for savages F-35 - it is a very dangerous weapon. But for Russian Defense, F-35 - it's just the usual open target.
For this reason, in the Russian army, the F-35 called as "flying irons."

Sun, 12/15/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment silvermail
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we have the Empire-projecting F-35?

Only gave more ratings to powerrossiya ch but the F-22 production still cancelled and the F-35 project does not receive funds plus not change the fact both aircraft are a waste of time and money for America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27qdB1D0s9M

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 11:49 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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Blowback is a bitch huh?

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 11:48 | Link to Comment Pooper Popper
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What the hell Boris????

Go EEAASY brother!

a little vodka,a little whiskey,a couple of fat bottomed girls for both,,,we can work this out.

Have a little talk with Putin,Ill call Jarret...its all good.

 

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 11:49 | Link to Comment ConfederateH
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They are protecting their flank from the international banking cartel.  They are sending a message to all of eastern europe and the ex Soviet Union that they are not standing alone, that Russia has their backs, that they can just say no to western debt slavery.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 11:51 | Link to Comment toady
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It's funny how the Russian moves all make sense to me, while I can't figure out what the US is doing.

If those Euros don't want to pay for nat gas they damn sure aren't going to take it.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 19:15 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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It's almost like Obama is working for the Russians, or something.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 22:38 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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You Win!

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 11:53 | Link to Comment Hubbs
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More bluffing. For good measure, we should drive a whole fleet of Wal-Mart 18 wheelers to the border to show them we mean business!

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:55 | Link to Comment saveUSsavers
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what a dumbarehead post, idiots make up most of the US of Arsewholes

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:11 | Link to Comment Hubbs
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Precisely the point. We have dumb airheads (politicians) making these kinds of threats.  Not as bad as Obama threatening to attack Syria though.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 11:59 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Someone ask Poland how well the Allies looked after Poland in WWII. Sold them down the river. Since Russia (land of the zionists) and the US (land controlled by the zionists) are used to enrich Europe(land of the illuminati) I would say all this crap is just exactly that. 

The puppet putin will dance with obama, cameron and hollande as china provides the treats for intermission. Sell your NWO garbage somewhere else.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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I would think that Russia has a visceral hatred for the US.

The West, led by the US, did nothing but screw over Russia in the 20th century.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:02 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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Really ? Might want to have a talk with Dodge Motor Company about that first. Lend Lease went to Russia too. We've never fought a war (directly at least. There have been rumors of Russian crews manning anti-aircraft missile batteries in Vietnam and Russian pilots being used in Korea) with Russia ever. Where is Czar Pointless? Stationing nukes aimed at Poland? And then what?

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:25 | Link to Comment skifff
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disabledvet, it's nor rumors it's a fact.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 20:15 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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The zionists had FDR and Truman shipping whole factories to Russia, there was lend lease, we GAVE them the nuclear bomb, then prceeded to stage a spend fest on mlitary goods for the banks. The US zionists paid for the bolshevik revolution and if you are really paying attention, people are starting to wish for Russian style freedom. That is because we have adopted soviet communism. We are best trading partners with COMMUNIST china. The list is endless. Wake up!

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment blindman
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it is just natural that some people will never see the forest
for the trees or even the little twigs. these make up the forest
but to pick them apart doesn't give a definitive picture or
view of the forest. it is a problem of narrative, plausible
deniability, and story.
there is an intent and a goal for any operation undertaken by
people so organized. it comes as no surprise that these are not,
generally, publicly stated and are frequently private matters
often with great public consequences. sounds like power doing
it's thing with little minds doing their part in support for
a reward of some kind, either financial, emotional, mental
or even spiritual if the participants are so oriented.
.
so we have these events that are not spontaneous or random that
result in shifts of power or that leave impressions on the minds
of the masses. they are planned and executed, they happen, people
see them and absorb the impressions, those being direct experience
or through word of mouth or the media. the event.
.
then there is the context and the story or narrative which is
the important part for power. this comes out over time as do the
twigs of narrative by the witnesses and reporters that will reveal
the trees and the forest in good time. one dynamic along these lines
seems to be revealing and that is how the narrative and characters
involved in the initial description of events can have a corrupting
influence on the truthful unfolding of further narratives, evidence and
investigation. the technique of power threatening honest and good
key players in the process to lie under oath and otherwise and for
good reason or for the greater good but under the influence of power
and it's false initial narrative and concerns.
think lbj and l.h.oswald. one a vice president the other a russian defector
at the time of the "cold war"; both characters with deep historic intrigue
and private motivations but the public sees little beyond the titles or
given description such as "defector".
the greater treason in this case hinged on the cover up of the crime,
the negation of investigation, by implying to the participants that
if the investigation were to continue the soviets would be implicated
and wwIII would ensue. do you see the diabolical similarity to 9/11.
so the honest and good had their minds controlled and went to sleep
and lied for the greater good. this kind of thinking comes from the top,
a man with a pipe.
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?5802-Lyndon-Johnson-...
.
you have to examine your top crime fighters in moments like this i say!
sherlock himself!
.
The Gary Null Show – JFK and the Secret Service – 11/20/13
http://prn.fm/gary-null-show-jfk-secret-service-112013/
.
"Vince Palamara became interested..."
is that plausible? is it parallel to the 9/11 dynamic regarding
the fake investigation?
.
minute 39 here vince palamara explains what needs
to be heard and understood if we would like to know.
minute 33-40 ....!
http://archive.wbai.org/#ankor15
Friday December 13 1:00pm 1 hour
Public Affairs
.
13 DECEMBER 2013

JP Morgan Stood 'At the Very Center of Madoff's Fraud for Over 20 Years'
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2013/12/jp-morgan-stood-at-very...
.
"NOT BY MIGHT, NOR BY POWER, BUT BY MY SPIRIT, SAYS THE LORD OF HOSTS. SUCH IS THE
RULE OF OUR WARFARE. WE ADVANCE BY YIELDING; WE RISE BY FALLING; WE CONQUER BY SUFFERING;
WE PERSUADE BY SILENCE; WE BECOME RICH BY BOUNTIFULNESS; WE INHERIT THE EARTH THROUGH
MEEKNESS; WE GAIN COMFORT THROUGH MOURNING; WE EARN GLORY BY PENITENCE AND PRAYER. HEAVEN
AND EARTH SHALL SOONER FALL THAN THIS RULE BE REVERSED; IT IS THE LAW OF CHRIST'S
KINGDOM, AND NOTHING CAN REVERSE IT BUT SIN." JOHN HENRY NEWMAN
.
"...Why speak out? Why attempt to do anything? Because someday we may wish, at the
very least, to be able to look our grandchildren and great-grandchildren in their eyes
and say, "I did what I could. I was not silent. I am sorry that I could not have
done more. But I did not forget you." And for me my poor parents, both gone now
these many years, will know, wherever they may be, that I did not dishonor their memory.

And we may now reread history and discover that this is the challenge of every generation
and the rule of our cause, to be in the world, but not of its worst elements. Not to shun
the world, but to be a comfort, and a shield, and a source of hope to our friends, our
families, and so importantly, to its victims." ...jca

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:00 | Link to Comment JenkinsLane
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The Russian political elite just plain won't get with the New World Order program and join the class of

post-national global overlords, preferring, shock, horror, nationalism, hence the hatred from Western [sic] elites.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 11:58 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Gee...

I wonder if it's approriate for President Obama to put on another delusional shit eating grin and request a "selfie" with Putin, Rogozin and Lovrov?

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:40 | Link to Comment thatthingcanfly
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...while holding a stuffed monkey with a hand grenade in its hand.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:33 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Another group of "selfies" with an AK-47.  I couldn't resist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNW30bLTP0Y

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:09 | Link to Comment logicalman
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The problem is that humans still have the mentality of spear throwing hunter-gatherers but now have nuke tipped spears.

We're fucked.

Enjoy each day - you never know if you will have another one.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:11 | Link to Comment Seize Mars
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What? Defending their borders? How hostile and aggressive!

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:10 | Link to Comment Toxicosis
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All we need is Chevy Chase and Dan Aykroyd to help diffuse the situation.  They did back in the 80's, and you never know we might get an appendix or two thrown in for good measure.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:13 | Link to Comment Karl von Bahnhof
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Polish establihment still pulled by Brzezinskis strings is screwed. I hope real polish patriots will hang them and finally normalize relations with russia.

In this light US false flag crashing polish government plane in Smolensk ( by changing GPS coordinates by 50 meters) did not succeeded.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:14 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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Enough foreplay already. Time for some hope bitchezz. Nothing like sayin Peace on Earth - The Christmas Special. and having a fucking war and building more things that looks like penis. 

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:19 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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I think it is strategically clever for Russia and China to play a very strong defensive game, while doing nation and wealth building.

The West resembles a Latter Day Rome: arrogant, corrupt and broke. What goeth before the Fall?

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:11 | Link to Comment Diet Coke and F...
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"What goeth before the Fall?"

 

EROEI of Oil goeth before the Fall.

Sun, 12/15/2013 - 02:49 | Link to Comment ebear
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 "What goeth before the Fall?'

Summer?

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:17 | Link to Comment LeisureSmith
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And there is this...Russia deploys radar able to track military jets across whole of eastern Europe

The Ruskies are on the lookout, can't say i blame them for being vigilante. The missile shield is for rogue missiles from Iran and N.korea....Yeah right.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:21 | Link to Comment gallistic
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Exactly! Iran does not have missiles with enough range to launch them toward Europe, and even if they did, would they do it?

Of course not. Russia is not fooled for a second.

Sun, 12/15/2013 - 04:42 | Link to Comment mkkby
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The Russians are in a position to let the US bankrupt itself, just like what happened to them in the 80s. 

The US is the one maintaining bases everywhere and a trillion $ budget.  All they have to do is pop up and say "boo" every once in a while and the US will spend even more.

All they have to do is wait for the reset and the tide turns in their favor.  Obama care and the phoney budget cuts are helping sink the US faster.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:20 | Link to Comment gallistic
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Guys, I think we are all missing the point here.

Russia has been very concerned about the anti-ballistic missile system We have installed on their doorstep. They have come out and bluntly stated that this changes the balance of power and that is unacceptable to them. The Russians publicly stated years ago that this could be one of their counters.

This is a Russian counter-move to a destabilizing move by the US/NATO. For years also, US/NATO has insisted the ABM is not directed at Russia, but the Russians do not buy it and are not fooled one bit.

There is no plausible purpose whatsoever for the ABMs if you take Russia out of the picture.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:33 | Link to Comment gallistic
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And even further- If the current negotitations with Iran succeed, then there REALLY be no pretext for the ABM system.

I will bet you a nickel that the ABMs stay even if the talks succeed.

Russia knows it too, hence the Iskanders.

 

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 21:26 | Link to Comment caustixoid
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As written in Foreign Affairs of all places, the baliistic missile shield doesn't make any sense to stop a Russian attack (it would be easily overwhelmed) but DOES make sense for a NATO first-strike, to mop up the few counter-attack missiles not taken out in the first strike.  Those missiles were a declaration of war on Russia, who is acting accordingly.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 21:24 | Link to Comment gallistic
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Doggone it!

If someone would have bet me that nickel, I would be five cents richer.

17 December- US to deploy ABM systems in Europe despite P5+1 deal with Iran

http://rt.com/news/hagel-shoigu-missile-defense-356/

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:54 | Link to Comment skifff
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We should mension that, at this point, and in forseeble future anti balistic systems developed in US has zero capabilities against Russian ICBMs... At the same time Russian forces have operational anti ballistic misle systems for 30 years now. And newest S-500 is due to be fielded by 2015.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:21 | Link to Comment starman
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yes lets end the fucked up human race after all we sure diserve it!!!!

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:23 | Link to Comment 22winmag
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NOD vs. GDI

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:24 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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All these comments and no mention of the only thing that matters, oil.

Think all thoughts in the context of oil or you'll be thinking in the wrong direction.

Wars of the future won't be fought nuking cities.  They will be fought cutting off oil supplies.  Russia is immune to that.  The US import centers along the gulf coast are not.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:25 | Link to Comment loveyajimbo
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Lucky we have the 3 stooges covering our national security ass... Obongo, Kerry and Hagel... backed up by the lyin' bitch from hell Rice.  Three more years is going to be a Looooooong time.  Kerry has already tried to surrender unilaterally to several countries... but they didn't want to assume our debt.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:37 | Link to Comment Tinky
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While your cynicism is, of course, warranted, your implication that a different (read: Republican) set of politicians in high office will make a meaningful difference is deeply misguided.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:10 | Link to Comment el Gallinazo
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Indeed, the Republican Party was the original home of the neocons and the "new American century."  I would say this NAC will last less than two more years.  Our "patriots," both Democrat and Republican have been systematically destroying the USA economically for decades while diverting scant funds to the MIC which are now simply the enforcer thugs of the NWO banksters.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 14:53 | Link to Comment chemystical
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"Our "patriots," both Democrat and Republican have been systematically destroying the USA economically for decades"

Where have you been?  Patriotism was outsourced long ago.

Sun, 12/15/2013 - 07:35 | Link to Comment silvermail
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The main problem for the U.S. - it's a one-party system of government. I mean the one-party system of government of big capital, that is the real power in the United States.
And I do not mean the visibility of power in the form of theatrical farce between Democrats and Republicans, with regular changes puppets, in the role of presidents.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 22:33 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Under normal conditions, I would say we would not have a conflict. However, with the 3 named above, the odds go up.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:32 | Link to Comment bh2
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After systematically lying to the Russians with assurances NATO would not be expanded into former Soviet nation states (e.g. Poland), the West proceeded to do just that at warp speed and thereby further crowded territorial borders of Russia. It has been an incredibly dangerous and short-sighted policy.

Given limited range of the newly installed mobile missiles, this counter-move by the Kremlin is therefore hardly an unprovoked response -- nor one aggressively implemented without prior warning.

 

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:38 | Link to Comment Tinky
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Succinct and correct.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment El Vaquero
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I don't know the full capabilities of the missiles, but short range, single stage and conventional warhead capable tells me that they might just be able to deploy a bunch of them.  It seems like something that could be used to launch a shitload simply to overwhelm our defenses, even if no nukes are used, or if the nukes are randomly placed on different missiles while most are conventional.  Of course, given our stealth capabilities, they would likely have to strike first for this to be effective, but, I see single stage and conventional, and my mind translates that to "comparatively cheap."  As I said above, this looks like the Russkies trying to get us to spend money we don't have so that we break. 

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:02 | Link to Comment cossack55
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I thought we were already broke.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:05 | Link to Comment el Gallinazo
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It seems like something that could be used to launch a shitload simply to overwhelm our offenses

Fixed it for you.

Russia has warned about this for years regarding the so-called "shield" in Poland which would give NATO highly enhanced first strike capabilities against Russia. Everyone who has three synapses to rub together knows that the NATO Polish installations have nothing to do with very distant "rogue" states unless one includes the USSA in that category, as most of the world is starting to do.

 

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 13:21 | Link to Comment gallistic
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Vaquero, the Iskanders were deliberately designed to comply with nuclear treaty range requirements. They may be single-stage, but do not let their relatively short range fool you. They are completely mobile and very accurate (+-5 meters). They have been extensively tested and proven effective.

They are pretty bad-ass and completely change the calculus of any confrontation. You are probably correct when you assume that it is a relatively cost effective way to counter the ABMs, and can make US/NATO spend gazillion bucks to deal with them.

They move at Mach 7 with many different types of warheads- among them are conventional, fuel-air, nuclear, and importantly, EMP. They cannot be easily stopped, and in this situation, combination attacks could be a way to employ them, with "rolling" EMP blasts first to disable countermeasures, and god knows what next. They perform violent evasive maneuvers in the terminal phase of flight and release decoys in order to penetrate missile defense systems.

Look 'em up in Wikipedia; there is a pretty good write-up on them. Iskanders are nothing to be sneezed at, and were designed for such situations.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 16:35 | Link to Comment asierguti
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Nuclear capable doesn't mean it necessarily has a nuclear warhead. In fact, Iskanders have conventional warheads by default.

 

Why deploy Iskanders? The reason is very simple. Iskander ballistic missiles follow a quasi-balistic trajectory with extreme moves in its terminal phase. This means that it can evade any current air defense system.

 

If you want to take down an air defense system, which is your threat, this would be the weapon you would use. Few launches and you can take the entire defense system down.

Sun, 12/15/2013 - 07:47 | Link to Comment silvermail
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Stealth capabilities - this is for savages. For the Russian army does not exist stealth targets. Everything targets, what used in the title the word "Stealth", will be guaranteed destroyed from the S-300 and TOR m2-e.

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