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Russia Stations Tactical, Nuclear-Capable Missiles Along Polish Border
"Russia will deploy Iskander missile systems in its enclave in Kaliningrad to neutralize, if necessary, the anti-ballistic missile system in Europe."
- Dmitry Medvedev, former Russian president, November 2008 in his first presidential address to the Russian people
2013 was a year when Europe tried to reallign its primary source of natgas energy, from Gazpromia to Qatar, and failed. More importantly, it was a year in which Russia's Vladimir Putin undisputedly won every foreign relations conflict that involved Russian national interests, to the sheer humiliation of both John Kerry and Francois Hollande. However, it seems the former KGB spy had a Plan B in case things escalated out of control, one that fits with what we wrote a few days ago when we reported that "Russia casually announces it will use nukes if attacked." Namely, as Bloomberg reports citing Bild, Russia quietly stationed a double-digit number of SS-26 Stone, aka Iskander, tactical, nuclear-capable short-range missiles near the Polish border in a dramatic escalation to merely verbal threats issued as recently as a year ago.
The range of the Iskander rockets:
From Bloomberg:
- Russia has stationed missiles with a range of about 500 kilometers in its Kaliningrad enclave and along its border with the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, Germany’s Bild-Zeitung reports, citing defense officials it didn’t identify.
- Satellite images show a “double-digit” amount of mobile units identified as SS-26 Stone in NATO code
- Missiles were stationed within the past 12 months
- SS-26 can carry conventional as well as nuclear warheads
In other words, Russia quietly has come through on its threat issued in April 2012, when it warned it would deploy Iskander missiles that could target US missile defense systems in Poland. From RIA at the time:
Moscow reiterated on Tuesday it may deploy Iskander theater ballistic missiles in the Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad that will be capable of effectively engaging elements of the U.S. missile defense system in Poland.
NATO members agreed to create a missile shield over Europe to protect it against ballistic missiles launched by so-called rogue states, for example Iran and North Korea, at a summit in Lisbon, Portugal, in 2010.
The missile defense system in Poland does not jeopardize Russia’s nuclear forces, Army General Nikolai Makarov, chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, said.
“However, if it is modernized…it could affect our nuclear capability and in that case a political decision may be made to deploy Iskander systems in the Kaliningrad region,” he said in an interview with RT television.
“But that will be a political decision,” he stressed. “So far there is no such need.”
Looks like a little over a year later, the "political decision" was taken as the need is there. But why does Russia need to send a very clear message of escalation at a time when the Cold War is long over, when globalization and free trade, promote game theoretic world peace (or "piece" as the Obama administration wouldsay), oh, and when Russia quietly has decided to reestablish the former USSR starting with the Ukraine.
We'll leave the rhetorical question logically unanswered.
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A big F**K YOU to you pal from all the Baltic people. We would choose anything over the terror of Russia. Death is better than being in the Russian zone of influence. How ironic that you share the views of you so called ''overlords'' by not giving a shit about smaller countries. Kremlin can go eat a dick. It is OUR choice if we want to be a part of NATO or not..
Not to put too fine a point on it, but it becomes the treaty obligation of NATO countries to provide defense against aggression to new members who come aboard. Given historically deep Russian sensitivity about vulnerability of their borders to invasion (remember Napoleon), poking them in the eye with a sharp stick hasn't necessarily been the wisest defense strategy.
The message from Russia and China are clear... if the U.S. continues to destablize the world by supporting Islamic terrorist groups (a greater threat to Russia, Europe, and China than to the U.S.), removing the national leaders who had suppressed Islamic terrorism (in Egypt, Libya, Iraq), if the U.S. continues to play the role of interloper in areas of the world that do not properly concern them (i.e. Poland), the result will be war. The U.S. game has tired the world. Even the European states grow weary of the America´s bizarre foreign policy, meddling in nearly everything globally, and generally acting the drunken fool on the world stage. I would remind all that there has been a history of devastating surprise attacks against the U.S. (with and-or without help from U.S. intelligence agencies). Someday, Russia and maybe China may decide that a partial nuclear winter is preferable to living in a world where the U.S. is a akin to a drunken belligerent idiot run amuck.
I wouldn't be surprised if the US would also stir a Chinese-India feud. Considering it's not a friendly border, both sides have nukes and LOTS of potential soldiers and not a lot of love for each other.
Throw in a bunch of Muslims in the mix, you'd have a Chinese vs Hindu vs Muslim war simmering. That would divert a lot of Russian resources from the Europe neightborhood to the Eastern area where the borders meet. It would also tie up a lot of Chinese resources too.
This is simply one more trigger point waiting for a 'mistake' to happen somewhere in the world. In itself it doesn't add much to the threat level. But as these trigger points accumulate, the consequences of a single small mistake multiply exponentially. And one of the main lessons of history is that people do fuck up, regularly.
Putin smells pussy in the White House.
Same with the Chinese.
They know a weak president when they see one.
Well, you cannot blame them.
They are going to grab what they can if we cannot protect our stuff.
But things would be better all the way 'round if the big 3 teamed up and knocked off the banksters.
None of you have mentioned the word "Ukraine"...
I have a feeling that Russian power play along this region has a triple motivation :
1° Tell the USA its Nato shield to Poland is now questionable; especially if the Iran denuclear is a serious option that Obammy and Kerry are considering as that is a MAJOR reversal of US ME policy. Putin is saying very clearly its ONE or the other. Either you want to denuclearise the ME and also by richochet Europe or you don't. They have upped the ante in East Europe to show they are calling US hand on Iran and what SHOULD follow. The Neo cons in Congress will now have to stand tall or balk challenging Potus/Kerry on Iran.
2° Tell Europe that Ukraine divide won't be without a fight and sabre rattling. Putin apparently wants Ukraine to stay in his Rusian influenced zone.
3° For future arctic Oil plays this move also makes sense. That arctic find is supposed to be game changer oil wise, ten years down the road. And that region is very porous to US submarines if they want to counter Russian takeover of Arctic where they have a de facto lead.
The Eurozone will have to consider their gas tie-up with Gazprom, if this sabre rattling gets hotter. Russia is energy wise and MIC wise strong but financially very weak; no growth, ageing population and Putin Brinkmanship could have negative backlash internally if his grand designs bring Russia to the brink of financial internal collapse, and hardship for its people. The economic divide between Oligarch and plebe is HUGe in Russia today!
Tipping times indeed. Who can blame the Russians to take advantage of PAx Americana decay ?
Kalingrad is German not Russian...that's who this message is being sent to. I agree this is all about Ukraine...the Heart of Mother Russia. Meh. "What is to be done?" to quote Lenin. This President of Ukraine is a total dope and Putin knows it. Putin just doesn't want this thing to get out of hand. Insofar as NATO is concerned it was "Boris" (Yeltsin) who wanted Russia to join NATO after a catastrophic incursion into the South Caucuses. "That was the end for President Yeltsin" (who had as his hand picked successor Putin replace him.) As far as I know we didn't turn Russia down when the offer was made...and if was an extraordinary offer. (1991-92 I believe.) Cwrtainly was never offered again though...nor does it appear in the offing right now.
It's not Russian?
Then why isn't it still called Konigsberg?
Because we stole it from them and forceably moved out all the ethnic Germans like we were Hitler himself. If anyone other than the Germans should have it then let it be the Poles and not the Russians.
Jeff explains that the Cold War never ended and that today the West is very much on the losing side.
By J.R. Nyquist
During the Cold War the stated strategic goal of Russian and Chinese Communist leaders, and the primary objective of Communist international strategy, was to neutralize the United States as a military and economic power. This, in fact, was the only way to put down capitalism in favor of universal socialism. Looking at the big picture today, what is most disturbing about Russian and Chinese behavior, is the way present-day behavior fits perfectly with the old objective. Consider Russia and China’s ongoing arms buildup, ongoing anti-American propaganda, and ongoing support for revolutionary Communist regimes in Africa and Latin America.
There is a large and growing body of evidence that — for Russia and China — the old Communist goals remain in effect, and that the Cold War did not end in 1991.
If we consider the strategic problem confronting the Communist Bloc in 1960, we may ask how they could possibly have hoped to overturn the economic and military dominance of an overwhelmingly superior United States. Such would have undoubtedly required a series of successful overt and covert actions, including massive infiltration, disinformation and deception operations. Would anyone be surprised to learn that the last half century is the history of such operations, though the West knows almost nothing about them?
The success of Russian and Chinese deception may be judged by results. First, China’s newfound industrial and financial might, accomplished at the expense of American industry by way of unfair trading practices. Through it all the Chinese Communist Party maintains control, and uses its economic position to damage the United States economy at every turn. Could this be part of a Communist strategy? And why hasn’t anyone in politics raised this as a possible danger?
Ideologically we must admit what has happened; namely, the neutralization of anti-Communists by designating them “McCarthyist. Also there is the curious disinformation lie alleging the defeat of Communism in the Cold War despite subsequent Communist victories in South Africa, Congo, Angola, Venezuela, Brazil, and Nicaragua — not to mention the United States itself, where stealth Communism advances under a variety of misleading banners.
The ongoing expansion of the Socialist Bloc cannot be purely accidental. Somebody has done it, and they have done it in concert with Moscow and/or Beijing. The fact that Lenin’s statue in Kiev Ukraine was only toppled a few days ago, begs the question: Why has there been a statue of Lenin in the heart of Ukraine’s capital city these past 22 years? Surely there must be some misunderstanding with regard to the actual political situation in Eastern Europe.
In fact, it seems quite obvious that the supposed collapse of the Soviet Union was indeed part of a game, a conscious and devious policy which has enabled secret Communist structures here in the United States to take control of the administrative branch of the federal government.
This assertion, seemingly out of step with prevailing opinion, is nonetheless obvious to a careful strategic observer. It is not obvious to the typical media consumer. But even those who are unschooled may yet acquire a degree of certainty about what is happening if they read the writings of high-level Socialist Bloc defectors.
According to high-level Czech Communist defector Maj. Gen. Jan Sejna, writing in 1982, the Soviet long range strategy always envisioned the advent of a “progressive” president in the USA whose term would coincide with an economic crisis. I also heard this plan described by American Communist activists during meetings in the early 1980s. The idea was to take over the Democratic Party through its Left Wing and elect a stealth Communist president. Given the research discoveries of Trevor Loudon, which clearly identify Obama as the creature of a Marxist milieu, there is little reason to doubt that the Communists have successfully set up a president who can further their strategy.
Russian and Chinese analysts expect the present economic crisis to worsen, and there is little doubt the Russians and Chinese are working toward the US dollar’s demise. At the same time the Left has increased domestic social spending in the United States to such an extent that military spending is now being choked off. This play is so obvious, and so in keeping with stated long-term Soviet strategy, that what we’re seeing cannot be an accident. It is something the far Left is consciously working toward.
To understand their policy it is important to remember the revolutionary ideology of the Communists. They are agents of radical change who threaten to upset the lives and well-being of countless millions of people. They fully realize that their project is likely to inspire a violent backlash. And that is why the nuclear disarmament of the United States is such an important part of Obama’s program. If he doesn’t dare order the elimination of the remaining United States arsenal he can nonetheless degrade the arsenal’s reliability through administrative strangulation. If he succeeds, he will enjoy long-range fire support from Russian or Chinese missiles.
I believe a close investigation of our strategic nuclear posture will show the alarming extent to which the Communists have already achieved their goals.
There is one further thought that everyone should keep in mind. Even the United States, with all its moral idealism in foreign policy, could not resist using nuclear weapons against enemy cities during the Second World War. Japan could not retaliate, which is what forced them to surrender. Given the fact that Russia and China are run by gangster dictatorships, nothing on earth will prevent them from bombing the United States or any other country once the American nuclear arsenal is shown to be entirely defunct. The various puppy-sized nuclear powers in the world have too few weapons, with inadequate delivery systems for penetrating Russian ABM defenses. Their deterrent value is dubious, and they will be forced to disarm if the United States collapses.
The Russian and Chinese leaders, distinct from the people they rule over, hate and fear the United States. It is the one and only country on earth capable of checking their aggression. If not for the United States, Europe would be under total Russian domination along with the Middle East. The same can be said with regard to Asia and Australia/New Zealand, which would quickly fall under Chinese Communist domination if America collapsed. Such are the strategic realities of our time.
It is therefore easy to see what kind of game is being played — strategically — both inside the United States and around the world. The fact that 110,000 Cuban agents, troops and police have infiltrated Venezuela and are used against indigenous protesters, or that Nicaragua is constructing advanced military bases for Russian use, or that President Obama shook hands with Raul Castro at the funeral of Nelson Mandela, provide data points which are but the tip of a larger strategic iceberg.
Readers may deny the truth at their own peril. And the peril is great indeed. We haven’t many years left before the enemy’s hold proves fatal. The blindness of the West is due, in part, to the success of a massive deception strategy. While this brief essay attempts to make a few general points about the true state of affairs, it seems unlikely that the deluded many have the time or inclination to question the mountain of nonsense that has been spoon-fed to them in recent decades. We can only hope that the unfolding calamity of the present will trigger that glimmer of curiosity and patriotism which has so far been absent.
http://www.trevorloudon.com/2013/12/the-big-picture/#comments
http://www.nowpublic.com/politics/collapse-soviet-union-was-staged-0
There is one word too many in your exposé : Communism.
Nobody, but NOBODY, is a communist today. China is a ONE PARTY capitalist oligarchy and Russia an ARISTOCRATIC Czarist type monarchy where the elections are just a facade for the ruling clique.
Everybody has now bought into the Capitalist Oligarchy meme and the geo-political game in NOT about this NEW fangled marxist ideology that died in 1991, its about OLD empires and rule and capture games.
So forget the Communist lens it adds nothing to the discussion and just shows you up to be a Maltese Templar, in the days when God was no longer on the Menu in Europe; aka Post 1648 nation state aboliton of Theological ideology as motivating force in Western world. They ended up selling banking trusts; much more lucrative.
Its the sign of Tipping times; these are new post Englightenment, return to neofeudality and Aristocratic times.
If communism is reborn it will be WEST as knee jerk to corrupt, crony capitalism and it will just be a populist rash that will scar the social tissue in metamorphosis to OTHER things, but it wont gather momentum especially not in EAST and Asia.
There, they have spilt too much blood and regressed too far in trying to make it work!
They have learned! Statism yes, based on capital construct; but not Communism.
They love the vertical construct too much. China rising is France in 1800s wanting to be Britannia in twenty to fifty years.
I guess all the Chinese Communist Party needs is for you to tell them how to be Communists. You should send them an email.
your enamourment for the word Commie matches those of Templars for God.
Hey, do you think the big boss of China today acts and thinks like Mao or Stalin?
THink again, look inside the wrapping. Those guys think and act like the HEADS of a US transnational corporation.
Do you think the Jamie Dimon or the head of GM is a Commie?
They want total State support yes! but as crony capitalists!
Know yourself to know your enemy.
Do you know yourself?
Its a question the world asks PAx Americana today ! WHat have YOU BECOME?
It is because I understand dialectical materialism and Marxism-Leninism that I am able to call a Communist a Communist, and it is because you lack that understanding that you would not know a Communist from a crab.
God loves you as a true Templar; Believing is ALL, reasoning is treason especially if it makes you say : Aristotle makes moar sense than the Bible...Yikes. Time for Torquemada.
Dialectical materialism is now replaced by Itunes in China and Russia. They don't use magnetic tapes ya know! Let alone PVC 45 discs like in the old days.
You over estimate both Mao and Stalin, they are nothing more or less than any other type of oligarch an "ism" will get you.
Your link with Trevor Loudon and your misdirection for who represents Communism in the world neutralize your points.
Loudon’s New Zeal Blog site can easily be identified by the use of columnists such as Terresa Monroe-Hamilton who, when Iran and Western powers reached an interim deal on Iran’s nuclear program in late November, said as “my friend Maggie Thornton so aptly put it, 'Obama and the European leaders have just given the green light to Iran to kill the Jews and I might add, attack the US. This will be war in our time, count on it.'”
This warmongering and push by the Zionists is exactly the reason we have Obama as president instead of Mitt Romney - whose complete capitulation to American Jews was to garner Florida votes and Adelson’s campaign money. He actually even staged a fundraiser in Tel Aviv.
Was there any doubt that a President Romney not only would provide strategic and tactical support for an Israeli attack on Iran – kindling the hope of neocon Norman Podhoretz for WWIII – but, as many potential voters actually suspected, as President Romney would lead the attack on Iran.
All you need to know about Romney’s Zionists pals is to realize that his potential Secretary of State was John Bolton who lives in the pocket of Netanyahu. And, with all his barnacles, Obama did not appear to be planning an attack at that moment, and in fact had distanced himself from the world’s warmonger-in chief, Benjamin Netanyahu.
Make no mistake, this is not to judge who was going to war, but who the voters believed was not going to war; many will remember that Obama defeated Hillary because she voted for Iraq war support and he did not.
By way of answer to you I submit this quote by former Romanian intelligence chief Ion Mahai Pacepa. It is both a reply to you and an explanation to others as to how you became so twisted.
by Ion Mihai Pacepa, Romanian intelligence
History always repeats itself, and if you can live two lives, you have an even greater chance of seeing that repetition with your own eyes. During the last six years of my other life, as a Romanian intelligence general, the main task of the Soviet bloc espionage community was to transform Yasser Arafat?s war against Israel and its main supporter, the United States, into an armed doctrine of the whole Islamic world. America was our main enemy, and a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on it than could a mere one million. Islamic anti-Semitism ran deep. Our task was to convert its historical hatred of the Jews into a new hatred of the United States, by portraying this land of freedom as an 'imperial Zionist country' financed by Jewish money and run by a rapacious 'Council of the Elders of Zion,' the Kremlin's epithet for the US Congress.
According to KGB theorists, the Islamic world was a petri dish in which we could nurture a virulent strain of America-hate. Islamic cultures had a taste for nationalism, jingoism and victimology. Their illiterate, oppressed mobs could be whipped up to a fever pitch. Terrorism and violence against America would flow naturally from their religious fervor. We had only to keep repeating, over and over, that the United States was a 'Zionist country' bankrolled by rich Jews. Islam was obsessed with preventing the infidel's occupation of its territory, and it would be highly receptive to our dogma that American imperialism wanted to transform the rest of the world into a Jewish fiefdom. "
They not only convinced the illiterate mobs in the middle east, but even have had success in the West against people like you, JR. You believe the exact same vicious, ficticious anti-Jewish propaganda as the Muslims. Think about that.
Sadly, most of the propaganda against the Satanic Tribe is true!
nyquist might follow the money and go beyond
the nationalist dialectic. i would like to lose
him to the philosophical question "what is money
and where does it come from", and then hear from him
when or after he has thought about that.
what are the chances that the great wealth of russia
and china is the same great wealth of zionists?
that is ...
the show for the masses.
there is no difference on some important levels
between the usa, china or russia; they are all
partially
just deceptions , brands and tools of power,
international power and marketers creaming it
and laughing all the way to the bank where they
work, servicing their biggest clients all day
everyday. of course they are not sold that way
to the polity. i suspect
nyquist is a janitor looking for a holiday bonus
predicated on the death of the young who will fill
their hearts with murder for his bonus and then
fall off the face of the earth having done his dirty
work.
ongoing.....
it doesn't have to be this way. without having studied
his volumes and other publications he seems to be
tilling in the field of libertarian idealism and
tribal dominance through bankster and fed ass kissing.
they don't care about your philosophy, ethics, environment
or your life and family, they want your money and property.
they work with communists, socialists, capitalists, satanists
... it makes no difference to them as long as they own the part
they need to own and get paid first.
.
every so often they eliminate a generation here
or there.
wolf of wall street internet version QuickTime H 264
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSU1GUD-NF4
.
"there is no thinking outside the box, thinking
is the box." gabor monte ?
The “illiterate mobs in the Middle East” you describe are struggling to keep the American-made bombs from falling on their villages and they see the superpower backed expansion of Israel as the source of this aggression. And you condemn those who “ believe the exact same vicious, fictitious anti-Jewish propaganda as the Muslims”?
Well, truth has strange bedfellows.
At the same time, the Zionist John Podesta -- member of the 'Jewish mafia' that controls the central banks with corporate ties to the defense, energy, and pharmaceutical industries who has his own team of lobbyists pushing their agendas in the Congress, and coordinator of Obama's Zionist transition teams that selected his cabinet members in 2008 and 20013 -- has been named a senior adviser to President Obama.
Perhaps that should give you an additional hint as to who is going to profit from this nation-destroying Israeli-US war machine.
As such, RT reports the following as to what the entire world is up against:
"Vice Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin has warned that Russia will use nuclear weapons if it comes under an attack, adding that this possibility serves as the main deterrent to potential provocateurs and aggressors…
"Russia to develop response to US Prompt Global Strike
"Russia’s Fund of Perspective Researches (FPI) will develop a military response to the American Conventional Prompt Global Strike (PGS) strategy, Dmitry Rogozin told the State Duma.
"So far, the FPI has already looked at over a thousand proposed ideas and plans to work on 60 projects, eight of which are top priority, the politician said. He refused to disclose any details, but said that one of those projects is focused on preparing a response to the PGS, which is the 'main strategy' that the Pentagon is nurturing.
"PGS would allow the United States to strike targets anywhere on the planet, with conventional weapons in as little as an hour.
"As Rogozin explained earlier, the strategy would give America an advantage over a nuclear state, thanks to their better technical capabilities with weaponry, including the speed, RIA Novosti cited."
http://rt.com/politics/nuclear-strike-attack-rogozin-053/
Adelson backed Romney and CFR Gingrich. Gingrich was there to siphon off votes from Santorum who was beating Romney in the Midwest. Santorum was winning but Romney enagged in vote fraud in the cities. Santorum won Iowa but the Romney team stole it then later it was found Santorum won. Santorum then came back and started winning states and kicked Romney's ass in Florida debates.
Adelson said he liked Santorum but he was "too Christian" for him. This is a fact.
Ron Paul was the best choice. Perry would have been better than Romney but they sabotaged him. The others never had a chance. This left Rick Santorum who had enthusiastic support from many Christian voters. Obama then used massive vote fraud to beat Romney. I think many Christians stayed home bacause they knew Romney stole the primary.
Hillary was sabotaged and had it stolen from her at the caucuses. Hillary had lots of women including older women at the caucuses. Obama bused in his thugs. When these older ladies went to the bathroom - the thugs blocked them from going back into the caucus room.
RP was our best choice because he will not bow to the Israeli-Bankster Complex.
Let's look at the world through the eyes of not propaganda, but through the eyes of Russia and the eyes of reality.
What is the U.S. foreign policy?
It is the policy of double standards, continuous lies and provocations.
It is the policy of intervention in the internal affairs of other sovereign countries.
It is the policy of military aggression around the world.
U.S. wants from Russia to quite a bit - they wants, that Russia was not in the world.
But Russians understand this and they have to defend themselves against the aggressive parasite, which is the United States.
What a dangerous word: escalation.
When the banker-based American Empire (read European Union) tries to draw a line of offense around Russia, using CIA and NATO spies, then the Russian “spy” prepares a defense. Seems that "escalation" is the banker strategy.
Since when are potential battle fields produced within the Russian sphere of influence called Russian saber rattling? Everywhere on earth the plan for world government (and, no, it is no longer a disputed conspiracy theory but a fact) has involved offense and when sovereign nations (Iraq) try to protect their own, the banker media (Bloomberg) fans the winds of war and frames the debate.
Where, pray tell, did the man who blew the whistle on these “spies” hanging out in the United States (NSA) go to find protection?
Hint: Under the “spy,” Putin.
US and EU are not gaining any favor with Vlad by pushing these "color" revolutiions to install NWO Banksters in former Soviet Republix.
Don't worry, kids. The thing is, that Iskanders almost never hit the intended targets. Most of the time these f*&^ers just flop on the ground a fem miles from launch site. The Russkies had much more reliable missiles in 1960s than now.
The only thing that is wildly inaccurate is your ridiculous assertion.
"Iskander-M improved version adopted by the Russian Army. It's estimated maximum range is 400 km. It is worth mentioning that this range can be extended, however this will violate INF Treaty. This ballistic missile is also fitted with both internal and optical guidance and has significantly improved firing accuracy. It has a claimed CEP of only 2 m. Optical seeker provides self-homing capability."
source: Military Today
It's more comfortable to think this way isn't it?;-) Russians would prefer you to think this way;-)))
b_t
Then if what you say is true, we should have finished it like we did Iraq, Afghanistan, (Georgia 2008) and everyplace else we happen to be with a dominant military presence in the last 6 decades. The U.S. military are cowards and always have been when they don't possess clear numerical advantage and force dominance conventional or otherwise?
If "Georgia" and Syria are the "lessons learned", then we know we won't be messing with Russia or China without the nuclear option because after 12 years and 3 going on 5 wars in the Middle East we will get our ears boxed.
The U.S. understands the risks in this game of "chicken" they are forcing the Russians to play.
You "talk the talk"... Now "walk the walk" partner!
Yes, it's great that other nations (the Great powers of Russia and China as well as Regional powers) are calling the US out on it's bluffs. Remember before Iraq when the US military was a mystery and no one was really sure what we were capable of?
Now the world knows. And they're not scared. The US government (I say government because it truly was politics fucking the military over in both of last decade's wars) couldn't even hold down Afghanistan. How the hell to the presume to hold down Idaho?
That's what they want you to think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxEjah7X0sg
Hey NATO...
FUCK YOU!
http://ricochet.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/media/images/putinbe...
For the win.
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/3468406_700b.jpg
Not
AlTogether
Organized.
Nukes mounted on a truck- what could go wrong?
XM satellite subsciption could expire?
There is a rassian saying:
"If you smell hint of sulfur... you have to assume that davil is arround and start production of holly water on industrial scale!"
I'm taking German in the upcoming Spring semester. Fuck modernism--again. And, the gay and lesbian homeland too. I'm headed to the Fatherland to celebrate my ancestors 12th century overthrow of the Kaiser's tax collectors in a town named after me.
Then into the crusades against the oligarchs. I'll keep a terrible towel in the bottom of my backpack.
All is lost when destruction comes to a civilization that destroys what it seeks to achieve.
Even as a Pole I'll admit that Germanics/Nordics are the greatest people to have ever graced the surface of the Earth.
do they stand as tall as a Masai?
Do they lie as low as an Apache?
Do they dance as naked as a Caledonian?
Do they ride as hard as a Mongol?
Do they recite poetry on their death bed like the beggarman Sadhu?
You could walk the world and never stop wondering where the best, the Areté of the Greeks, the Perfectus of the Cathars, live !
I guess I'll have to go to the Munich beer fest again! Burp!
Can they do hand signs for the deaf as well as that African guy?
Hey b_thunder,
tell that to the Georgians who were on the receiving end of the rain in 2008!
No brother, you are sorely mistaken. Perhaps you are confusing the Iskander with the Bulava missiles which have had many failed tests and the Russians are still trying to fix. Now those are some flying turds!
Their experience with the Bulavas has been almost as bad as our disastrous F-35 JSF adventure.
Western government unclassified assessments of the Iskander are available online. The federation of American scientists also has some very good resources.
incorrect... "Bulava" has about same test track record as most powerful russian stratigic weapon SS-18 "Satan"
Really? Do tell...
What do you mean "about the same test track record?" Have you compared the original R36(M) data with the Bulava's?
The Bulava has had numerous and very public failures. Do you have a good source for Bulava test data, or do you rely on the same shitty sources I do?
As you know, Satan was developed and tested in the mid 1960s- early 1970s. It may be apples and oranges here. Do you have any original test data?
Dear gallistic,
Test data is openly avalable in wiki and bunch of other websites...
S.t. i wonder if ZH is russian creation where russians confront russians...;-)
Oh Boy!
I have edited numerous wikipedia articles to hilarious and absurd extremes for amusement, to laugh at people who will swallow it, hook, line, and sinker (including wiki editors).
I thought you might be a missile geek, but now I see you have no access to primary and credible sources. I am sorry to have bothered you with a request. Now I know who I an interacting with, and it will never happen again.
Cheers.
Somewhere there's an ethnic joke trying to be born. "Why did the Russians move nuclear missiles to the Polish border?..............."
As much as I love the Russians and as much as I consider Putin to be a badass....I have to side with my own people.
Anyone ever meet Polish soldiers? Hands down far superior to American fat asses. Of course that was back when they still had conscription. Poland doesn't anymore but only because of Iraq and internal political fallout from that.
Ironically, people living east of Poland still consider them as brothers...
Irony of the history...;-)
I'm sure it'll change in our lifetime
If you're referring to Belarus (or Beylo - Rus; literally White Rus) then that's a whole other animal. I've met some escaped Belarussians here in the Baltimore area and they tell me it's not a pleasant country to have lived in.
The regime and leadership truly is crazy. Keep in mind that the country lost a third of it's population during WWII and didn't recover the loss until the 80s. Think about that.
There are hundreds of thousands of Soviet veterans of the Velikaya Otchestvanaya Voyna (literally Great of the Fatherland War; or more commonly Great Patriotic War) ilving in Belarus who overwhelmingly support the regime and Russia as well.
People misunderstand the Veteran vote in some countries: Russia, Belarus, Iran, Iraq....those who live through war know the stakes for better or for (usually) worse.
By all means, just go there! Most beutiful wemen... still harmfull balance of wemen to men in Belorus about 60-40.
Escaped belorussians seem funny to me;-)) you buy airplaine ticket and .... you escaped;-)
GROM
Anyone remember the fall of communism in Eastern Europe and specifically in Poland? General Zarazelski (sp?) was in-charge in Poland. The Soviets had been telling him to hang tough and crack down. He knew it was game over. Why? He knew that the Polish army would never go against the Polish people.
Don't forget that the Poles also saved Western Europe from Islam.
Sadly, three of the most famous American generals went against their own veterans with the Bonus Army. This was before they became generals. In addition, the military could have stopped the european bankster family sponsored US Civil War but did not. The union soldiers and leaders admired Robert E. Lee as the best American general.
Yep, they kept trying to help Lee, while Abe was wondering why they were not fighting.
Hahaha.
That whole civil war deal was to split up the US for the prototype fabian socialists bastards.
Good catch, Freddie. You the man.
A: Russians hate polish freedom .... :-P
Tyler were you from? My bet is you from one of the soviet republics! Good job dude!
Is it me, is it global warming or is the world warming up due to geopolitics?
Poland is fucked again, as always. Why the fuck can't big powers leave strategically positioned countries the fuck alone? oh wait, geopolitics.
Russia is doing what any nation would do in its situation. It is taking advantage of a weak USA, AKA Obamaville, to re-establish its previously held positions.
To state that Russia will respond with nuclear weapons to an attack is normal for those who have them. No nation is going to say: "We will wait until you kill millions of our population and our ability to respond before we respond"
Frankly, I am glad to see Russia, a potential enemy, being run by sane people ... unlike some other regimes.
Remember, Mutually Assured Distruction (MAD) worked. But the n the competitors were rational.
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Sanity gone due to the productivity of CIA* as a global producer & retailer .
* Cocaine Import Agency - now diversified to heroin, MDM, Crystal Meth and anything else needed to eliminate the cognitive abilities of primates .
For those that are saying that Putin had no choice. That the USA is the one responsible for Russian action based upon the cuban missle crisis due to the missles the US had in turkey and we are the agressors. That we perpetuated the cold war. You may want to read all of the hisory between russia and the US.
In 1943 Great Britain, the USA and Russia signed the Tehran declaration that would remove all foreign troops from Irans land. The russians didn't leave as promised. The soviets under stalin tried to annex Iran or at least break it up into smaller, harmless states. Under the communist Tudeh party created by the soviets tried to stir up seperatist movement to accomplish this.
US president Harry S Truman threatened military action if they didn't leave. The soviets left in May 1946. To believe the Russians about anything is to be ignorant and blind to who and what they are and always will be. One world government like Marx wrote about. No towns or cities or borders. this is the Russian/Chinese/Islamic theocracies model and plan. Planners plan.
The cold war is a war that is not military. Subversion, infiltration of institutions of education, economic, military, government and religion of the target countries.
These are their tactics to achieve their goals. to not take into account of the russians in the middle east before the world wars, and yes the cuban missle crisis, is ignorance on the scale worthy of a public education.
know your enemy
True, but Russia has been holding hegemony over these areas since the time of the Tsars. They always will, especially after Napoleon and Hitler.
People forget Russia at its largest time of expansion was about what the Tsars wanted for buffer areas. That's why we had the Cold War, as they wanted back the territory Germany took from them.
The Russian is like a Big Bear. He will wander down a row of cabins, finding one locked, he moves on until he finds one open.
If we had left their sphere of influence alone and let them know we were going to lock and guard all our other doors, we could have avoided a lot of bullshit.
I am as USA as they come, but I do not want to fuck with any Russians, as most of them do not want to be buggered any more than we do. They are a great people and we should be co-operating, but no commie stuff.
John F Kenedy - April 27, 1961
Today no war has been declared—and however fierce the struggle may be—it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired.
If the press is awaiting a declaration of war before it imposes the self-discipline of combat conditions, then I can only say that no war ever posed a greater threat to our security. If you are awaiting a finding of "clear and present danger," then I can only say that the danger has never been more clear and its presence has never been more imminent.
It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions—by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence—on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.
Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.
Nevertheless, every democracy recognizes the necessary restraints of national security—and the question remains whether those restraints need to be more strictly observed if we are to oppose this kind of attack as well as outright invasion.
http://millercenter.org/president/speeches/detail/3677
Egads!
Please tell me that you understand that what a President says and does are two very different things.
Pretty please tell me you can differentiate between the public face of JFK (or any President for that matter) and his actions behind the scenes.
We could endlessly post the flowery speeches of leaders who turned around and disavowed their own rhetoric with their actions.
If you cannot see the difference, then you are living in the land of rainbows and unicorns.
Gallastic- I do understand that there is public consumption then political consumption of speeches and events. Like when the G8/G7/G20/ GEE wizz get together to talk about the world economies but never thell the public what they are really doing.
Like the threats by Iraq/Libya/Iran and all the others who try to go outside the USD. You do realize the russians and the chinese and various other players use the banking system as well as the markets to attack us in ways that go un-noticed or reported. Why do you think hedge funds are allowed not to publish who owns and operates them. the chinese have thousands that create economic chaos to our system. The federal reserve is a problem, but ii is also a way to engage in economic warfare.
That being said name me the last time a president made a statement so profound and alarming to the nature of our enemies that he warned the national newspaper publishers and editors about this danger regarding how they report the news. telling them to be more aware and honest about the informaion that the public needs to know.
If kennedy was alive today he would be considered a conservative republcan due to his ideas of entrepenuerial enterprises, low taxes and liberty for all of us. todays democrats would call him a tea party extremist who believes in the "fairytale" of free market captialism. Democrats of today are progressive socialist/communists.
Kennedy called out the enemy as a ruthless and monolithic conspiracy that uses subverssion in our education, economic, government, military, science and journalism fields both here and worldwide.
If you cannot see the difference in speaking in newspeak and genuine concern to alert the american people then you are living in the land of ignorance of what your enemy is. government that wishes to run your life and punish you if you step out of line.
Put as many pieces of the puzzles together to get the fullest understanding of the events. even if the president has to look like a hypocrite.
Esculent,
I revisited a previous post and read your reply. I am glad and relieved that you know the difference, and I am grateful for the well-thought out reply. I think you and I probably have more in common than in contrast.
All presidents use the language of their time. Unfortunately, in this know-nothing era the language is quite different. You are correct to say that Kennedy would be the equivalent of a true conservative; not of the silly "Republican" brand mind you, but of the true historical kind.
I completely disagree however, with the statement that "todays democrats would call him a tea party extremist who believes in the "fairytale" of free market captialism. Democrats of today are progressive socialist/communists."
I am convinced absolute Laissez Faire does not work. Kennedy himself did not believe it, and I am of the belief that our "progressive era" (1890s to the 1920s or so) saved us from its excesses. Laissez Faire is skewed to those who can impose themselves without any restraint; bad things inevitably follow.
I believe Democrats and Republicans are two wings on the same bird, designed to present a false choice to an ignorant electorate, and we are so deeply indoctrinated with a weird, bastard form of capitalism, that the will of "we the people" is not implemented.
I will leave the rest for another day. I will be on the lookout for your posts, and we will discuss many things, I am sure.
Cheers
I forgot to add-
"Put as many pieces of the puzzles together to get the fullest understanding of the events. even if the president has to look like a hypocrite."
Very true, and I concur.
2014 is shaping up to be very exciting. I thought all I had to look forward to was the economic collapse of the US, europe, and Japan, but now we get a naval war with China and Nuclear war with the Russians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmSSVt7Mfkk
Well, unlike others we know, Vlad is NOT dicking around.
It baffles me how on ZH Putin is some kind of hero. He's no different than any other Russian autocrat since the time of the Golden Horde who acts unilaterally, steals from the Russian people/lives opulently, and tolerates little/no organized dissension politically.
The only thing Putin disagrees with people in the West is that it will be him and his Russian cronies who will largely f@ck over the Russian people and not Western banking interests and outsiders. Same general activity, different reamer.
Irony is... there are people in Russia who think like you, elections showed that they can't get even 5%...
70% of Russians are voting for Vladimir Putin. So dude, you loose;-)
NATO has been sticking Russia's nose in it ever since the fall of the Berlin Wall. A crucial element of the agreement to grant Eastern European independence was that such countries would not be allowed to join NATO. The ink was hardly dry before the promise was reneged on. It's been provocation after provocation since then. This is not to say that Russia isn't run by crooks, but crooks with a considerable commitment to their own country.
the next step will be carribean crisis 2.0 with strategic nuclear bombers in cuba or venesuela