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Camden, New Jersey: One Of Hundreds Of U.S. Cities That Are Turning Into Rotting, Decaying Hellholes

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Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,

All over America, formerly prosperous communities are being transformed into crime-infested wastelands of poverty and despair.  Of course the most famous example of this is Detroit.  At one time, Detroit was the greatest manufacturing city that the world had ever seen and it had the highest per capita income in the entire country.  But now it has become a rotting, decaying hellhole that the rest of the planet laughs at.  And of course Detroit is far from alone.  There are hundreds of other U.S. cities that are suffering a similar fate.  In this article, the focus is going to be on Camden, New Jersey, but the truth is that there are lots of other "Detroits" and "Camdens" all over the nation.  Jobs and businesses are leaving our cities at a staggering rate, and what is being left behind is poverty, crime and extreme desperation.

Earlier this month, Rolling Stone published an article that took a hard look at the nightmare conditions that exist in Camden.  A city that once made Campbell's soup and some of this nation's most famous warships is now a national disgrace.  The following are six of the best quotes out of that article...

-"In September, its last supermarket closed, and the city has been declared a "food desert" by the USDA. The place is literally dying, its population having plummeted from above 120,000 in the Fifties to less than 80,000 today."

 

-"Their home is a city with thousands of abandoned houses but no money to demolish them, leaving whole blocks full of Ninth Ward-style wreckage to gather waste and rats."

 

-"With legal business mostly gone, illegal business took hold. Those hundreds of industries have been replaced by about 175 open-air drug markets, through which some quarter of a billion dollars in dope moves every year."

 

-"On January 18th, 2011, the city laid off 168 of its 368 police officers, kicking off a dramatic, years-long, cops-versus-locals, house-to-house battle over a few square miles of North American territory that should have been national news, but has not been, likely because it took place in an isolated black and Hispanic ghost town."

 

-"After the 2011 layoffs, police went into almost total retreat. Drug dealers cheerfully gave interviews to local reporters while slinging in broad daylight."

 

-"The carnage left Camden's crime rate on par with places like Haiti after its 2010 earthquake, and with other infamous Third World hot spots, as police officials later noticed to their dismay when they studied U.N. statistics."

You can read the rest of the article right here.  But as bad as things have become in Camden, this should not be a surprise to most of you.  The reality is that this kind of rot and decay is happening in communities all over the United States.

Over in Detroit, crime has gotten so bad that even the police are telling people to "enter Detroit at your own risk".  When you call the police in Detroit it takes them an average of 58 minutes to respond, and more than 90 percent of the crimes committed in the city end up as unsolved mysteries.

At this point, 60 percent of all children in Detroit are living in poverty, and there are approximately 78,000 abandoned homes in the city.

For much more on all this, check out the statistics in this article, and you can find some great photos of the "ruins of Detroit" right here.

So why is all of this happening?

Well, there are lots of factors involved of course, but the biggest one is the lack of good jobs in these cities.

At one time, Detroit had the largest and most prosperous middle class in the entire nation.  But now those days are long gone.

And what is happening to Detroit is precisely what is happening to America as a whole.  Our good jobs are disappearing and the middle class is being systematically destroyed.

In order to have a middle class, you have got to have middle class jobs.

There is no way around that.

And right now, hordes of young people are graduating from college and discovering that the middle class jobs that they were promised simply are not there.

CNN recently profiled a 37-year-old college graduate named Bobby Bingham.  Because he cannot find a good job, he is forced to work four low paying jobs...

Bobby Bingham works four jobs in Kansas City, Missouri, yet he has very little to show for it.

Bingham is 37 years old and has a college degree, but like many Americans, is stuck working many hours in low wage, part-time jobs.

Each week, he works a total of about 60 hours in his jobs as a massage therapist, a waiter at a Mexican restaurant, a delivery man for sandwich chain Jimmy John's and a receptionist at his massage school.

Bingham makes approximately $400 a week, which works out to about $20,000 a year.  He has come to the conclusion that he may never be able to make enough to support a family...

"I've come to the point in my life where I wonder if I can ever support a family," he said. "I have no idea how that's ever going to logically happen."

That deeply saddened my heart when I read that.  Here is a young man that wants to get married, have a family and do all the right things, but the economy is so bad that he fears that this may never be possible for him.

As I have written about previously, the economic downturn that we are experiencing right now has hit men particularly hard.  The number of men in their prime working years that do not make enough money to support a family is rising with each passing year, and this is causing massive problems in this country.

And when our politicians proclaim that all we need is "more education", I feel like vomiting.  The U.S. population as a whole has more "education" today than it ever has had before.

If you think that "more education" is the answer, then check out the following excerpt from a recent interview with a law school graduate that is making about $40,000 a year and that has about $200,000 in law school debt...

Yes, it's extremely hard to get by. I can't afford rent or a car and can barely afford food. Anything extra like enjoying myself with friends, going to a movie, traveling, etc. — that's all out the window for the foreseeable future and possibly for the rest of my life thanks to law school. I live with my parents. I don't have a car. I don't go out to socialize. I don't date. I don't buy new clothes. I don't buy electronics. I don't buy much of anything. I spend my free time working other jobs to put more money toward my debt. I do contract work for other lawyers, but the pay is very low and payment is sporadic.

Why did this happen to him?  Well, the truth is that there are way, way too many law school graduates.  There are not nearly enough good jobs for all of them.  In fact, this particular law school graduate deeply regrets ever going to law school and considers it "an extraordinary waste of money"...

I consider law school a waste of my life and an extraordinary waste of money. I feel like I was duped and tricked. At the end of the day, it's my own fault for being a sucker and I learned an extremely hard lesson. Because I went to law school, I don't see myself having a family, earning a comfortable wage, or having an enjoyable lifestyle.

But at least he has a job.  There are millions of college graduates that do not.  And there are hundreds of thousands of other college graduates that are currently working as waiters and waitresses.  Large numbers are also working temp jobs or standing behind registers in retail stores.

Over the past decade, tens of thousands of businesses and millions of good jobs have left this country.  The quality of the jobs that remain continues to decline at a frightening pace, and most of the new jobs that are being "created" these days are part-time jobs.

But you won't hear the mainstream media or our most prominent politicians talk about these things much.  You won't hear them talk about the fact that median household income in the United States has fallen for five years in a row or about the fact that the rate of homeownership in the United States has fallen for eight years in a row.

The middle class is dying.

Wake up America.

And even as millions of our jobs have been shipped to the other side of the planet, some of the most prominent "American companies" have been bought up by foreigners.  The following list comes from a recent Economy In Crisis article...

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Here are some of America’s most famous brands currently held in foreign hands:

  • Budweiser, now owned by Anheuser-Busch InBev N.V., which is based in Leuven, Belgium
  • Alka-Seltzer, now owned by German company Bayer Schering Pharma AG
  • Ben & Jerrys, now owned by British-Dutch Unilever
  • AMC theaters, now owned by the Chinese
  • 7-Eleven, now owned by the Japanese company, Seven & I Holdings
  • Woman’s Day Magazine, now owned by the French company,  Hachette Filipacchi Médias, S.A
  • Purina, now owned by the Swiss company, Nestle
  • Gerber, now owned by the Swiss pharmaceutical giant, Novartis
  • Firestone, now owned by the Japanese Bridgestone Corporation
  • Citgo, now owned by the government of Venezuela
  • French’s Mustard, now owned by Reckitt Benckiser, a British conglomerate
  • Frigidaire, now owned by Sweden’s AB Electrolux
  • The Plaza Hotel in New York City, now owned by Israeli billionaire Yitzhak Tshuva’s El-Ad Group
  • Trader Joes, now owned by German billionaires Karl and Theo Albrecht
  • Dial soap, now owned by Henkel KGaA, based in Dusseldorf, Germany
  • Sunglass Hut, now owned by Italian eyewear seller Luxottica Group

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Are you starting to get the picture?

Our economic infrastructure is being absolutely gutted and more than 46 million Americans are now living in poverty.

And if you are waiting for the jokers in Washington D.C. to fix things, you are going to be waiting for a very, very long time.

Over the past several years, both the Democrats and the Republicans have proven again and again that they are basically completely and totally useless.  In fact, just about everything that they try to do actually makes our problems even worse.

In just a few days, Barack Obama leaves for a 17 day holiday vacation in Hawaii.  Many have criticized him and the members of Congress for taking so much time off, but perhaps that is the best thing that they can do at this point.  As long as they are away from Washington D.C., at least they won't be making things even worse for all the rest of us.

 

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Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:16 | 4252444 algol_dog
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I have a solution for all who live in these fucked up locations. Just Move!

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:18 | 4252448 ACP
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The article didn't have to say Camden, New Jersey. Just New Jersey.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:35 | 4252505 El Tuco
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We're going to send you to the worst fucking place imaginable!

 

Where Hell?

 

No a place even worse then that...New Jersey....

 

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:43 | 4252536 Stackers
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Fuck Bobby Bingham

 

http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/12/news/economy/4-low-wage-part-time-jobs/i...

he finally graduated in 2008 with a bachelor's degree in liberal arts from University of Missouri, Kansas City.

 

Another moron with a degree in art history that took 12 years of being a "full time student" and now moans that he has no job skills to sell for decent wages

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:06 | 4252782 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Ya it's my dream job to go sit in the park and paint trees all day too, and make you pay me for them. Even though no one wants what I produce, you should still pay me for my work!!!! Because it's my dream!!!!!!!

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 10:05 | 4253719 Pig Circus
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Ya it's my dream job to go sit in the park and paint trees all day too,

That's subsidized by many governments. You want a laugh read this:

http://www.twincities.com/soucheray/ci_23856476/joe-soucheray-your-tax-dollars-buy-art-10

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:11 | 4252803 ACP
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Agreed. Basically he's saying "I fucked up and now I want someone else to pay for it."

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 03:56 | 4253274 AldousHuxley
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just like bankers took the comissions on Alt-A liar loan mortgages and university staff took the money and now blaming kids

 

kids are now paying the debt off, but what about the institutions that failed? 

 

Solution is to eliminate bottom half of "universities" which just suck up tax deductions and redistribute to middle of nowhere towns.

 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 07:57 | 4253434 blackbeardz
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THATS A COMPLAINT, not a solution to the dwindling midle class bucko. nice try though, u must be a politician.

 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 09:16 | 4253567 clymer
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Hey Michael - I just read your book on Kindle. Jeeesh, was that cheezy.

..just sayin

 

(love you man)

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 13:06 | 4254321 czardas
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Basically he's saying "I fucked up and now I want someone else to pay for it."   It's like the sub-prime folks who whined they had no idea that buying a home with 1% down and interest rates half of the going prime was anything out of the ordinary.   As one woman interviewe for our morning paper said, "We could afford it back then."  She and hubby had income in the "good six figure range" and had no savings so she lost her "dream" home. 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 22:07 | 4255694 mkkby
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"So why is all of this happening?

Well, there are lots of factors involved of course, but the biggest one is the lack of good jobs in these cities."

Obviously one of those good jobs is being a cop.  58 minute response???  They don't even bother trying to put down the donut and help someone.

Lay off EVERY ONE OF THE FUCKERS and replace them with privatized cops.  Half the cost without the 20 year full pension scam, plus maybe they'll even try to help a person in distress.

Wed, 12/18/2013 - 00:01 | 4255714 mkkby
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Hello 911 -- I'm being raped. 

Answer -- Pour him a drink and tell him to stay for seconds...  We'll be there in an hour.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:47 | 4252543 flacon
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I lived in New Jersey for 6 years, not too far from Camden. I'd say anything along Route 130 is a hell hole, Palmyra, Cinnaminson, Camden, Cherry Hill, Maple Shade, Pennsauken... it all sucks, but Camden definitely takes the cake. 

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:52 | 4252566 ToNYC
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"....it all sucks, but Camden definitely takes the cake. "

Urinal cake?

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:03 | 4252583 booboo
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a girl once asked me to kiss her where it stinks so I drove her to Camden.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:03 | 4252587 flacon
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Not a bad choice. The other one is 'Fishtown' Philadelphia across from the septic plant. 

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:55 | 4252729 NoDebt
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Flacon- you hit the nail on the head with the towns along Rt. 130.  They're all dead.

Medco has a facility in that area (Willingboro).  I used to go there often- they were my client.  It's one of their 3 huge "automated mail-order pharmacies" in the US (Vegas and Indy being the other two main locations).  Big facility, no sign out front.  Just a big, nondesctript building with no windows.  Employs thousands from the local area.  I used to play a game where I would count how many of the cars had visible bullet holes in their body panels as I walked in and out of the facility.

And they were the lucky ones who had jobs there.

100 ft. off the property is basically a demilitarized zone.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:35 | 4252861 hungrydweller
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When the real collapse finally comes this is where it will be most real.  Look for military forces to be deployed across the NE seaboard.  The Midwest and West still have (excepting the clueless coastal Californians) a sense of self worth and self reliance.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 00:51 | 4253020 AngelEyes00
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hungrydweller, maybe it's been a while since you've been to CA.  It's thriving!  Sure, in 08/09 there were a lot of real estate reposessions and bankrupt companies, but it has pieced itself back together again.  The malls, sporting events, you name it, it's jammed with people shelling out money for anything and everything.  The roads are packed with traffic (yech) again.

CA is like it's own country.  We set our own rules and for whatever reason it works.  At least until the USD hyperventilates and we all suffer the consequences, but for now it's party on.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 02:26 | 4253163 IREN Colorado
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"CA is like it's own country.  We set our own rules and for whatever reason it works."

As long as the rest of the country covers the tab for your really cool rules! With 12% of the nation's population you have over 34% of the welfare recipients. You have more crime, more illegal immigration, more destruction of private property rights. The list of your dysfunctions is endless. IF we cut California, New York, and New Joiseee off the tit of the rest of US we could balance our budget and you all can just stay in your hell holes. 

Aparently "it works" for you. So you have that going for you at the malls and sporting events....

Colorado


Tue, 12/17/2013 - 02:55 | 4253200 ronaldawg
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But other than Richmond, we really don't have this type of decay in California.  No drug marts or evenrostitution on the streets in SoCal.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 02:37 | 4253173 piliage
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Well, hate to piss on your joy parade, but my father will be one of the list of 100,000 entrepeneurs and growing who is moving his business out of California this year. Orange County California was the birthplace of the global aviation engineering/aerospace sector. Now, it is a scene out of mike judge's idiocracy.

...but the weather sure as hell is nice.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 04:02 | 4253279 AldousHuxley
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warm weather makes people lazy and live for today as they don't have to worry about storing for winter

 

go to any country, most times northern states have education and industry while southern places have tourism and agriculture.

 

on idiocracy, sorry to say it applies to ALL of USA.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 07:57 | 4253435 Headbanger
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That has to be one of the most intelligent posts I've read here by someone who understands human nature and isn't blaming everything on the elites.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 10:09 | 4253728 SilverRhino
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Funny but Texas is an exception to that rule.   I think you can correct that with harsh environments produce more and/or stronger people. 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 13:11 | 4254341 czardas
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North vs South efficiency.  It's a matter of human evolutionary biology.  In one study, Pakistanis were over twice as productive in the UK as in Pakistan doing the exact same job.  The difference?  The tremendous work required for the body to stay cool.  It's one of the better explanations as to why the Industrial Revolution happened in the UK & Scotland vs Arabia or China or Africa.  It also explains the mechancially-oriented cold folks vs agrarian warm folks. The answers are there is we know where to look. 

Wed, 12/18/2013 - 02:30 | 4256220 Kobe Beef
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Human bio-diversity is real. Just not in the way the multikult has conditioned people to believe.

Different gene pools code for different physical attributes, different cognitive capacities, different behavior, and ultimately, different societies based on the aggregate contributions of those pools' members.

You don't have to have an advanced degree in biology. You don't even have to leave the USSA. Just look.

Chinatown looks like China, because that's what Chinese people make.

Camden looks like Africa, because that's what African people make.

Chinatown isn't Chinatown because of "White Privilege", discrimination, or da terrble, terrble, legacy of slabery. Neither is Camden.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 03:07 | 4253213 Canoe Driver
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Imbecile, California has jumped, once again, head-first into the debt-hole, because the people there fell for the government BS that the economy is recovering (again), so get "it" while you can, at low interest rates, and pay for it later with the money you will make in the inflationary boom. This is not to mention what is happening to the Pacific, now a poisonous, increasingly radioactive plastic depository.  I can believe that's your idea of "thriving," but you are obviously a booger-eater.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 03:19 | 4253229 kareninca
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I can't believe that I just up-arrowed someone who called someone else a booger-eater.  But I did.  Because it was apt.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 03:29 | 4253239 Freddie
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Well brother - let's not sell out some of are east coast brothers who may be more rural.  Those boys have quite a few hunters in their midst. Many have scoped .308 too.  Pennsylvania could probably kick most countries asses with 943,000 hunters and 786,000 CCW licenses.

PA 943,000 licensed hunters

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=596054&mode=2

NY 700,000 + hunters  (yes that NY)

http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/hunting.html

Michigan 700,000

Wisconsin 600,000

Texas is over 500,000

http://patriotupdate.com/articles/your-gun-our-army/

Here is the CCW counts by state:

http://legallyarmed.com/ccw_statistics.htm

Alabama 350,000

Conn 176,000 (yes that Conn)

Florida 1.15 million but it is probably closer to 1.2 millon by now

GA 600,000

Ohio 323,000

PA 786,000

TN 449,000 (small state too)

Check the numbers you will be surprised.  WV 92,000.

 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 05:01 | 4253307 dunce
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Philadelphia must have several hundred thousand predator/democrats. These formerly nice places to live and "work" had mostly white populations. There is a tipping point where regular social mobility becomes white flight leaving their agressive neighbhors to prey on each other.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 05:25 | 4253325 dunce
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Philadelphia must have several hundred thousand predator/democrats. These formerly nice places to live and "work" had mostly white populations. There is a tipping point where regular social mobility becomes white flight leaving their agressive neighbhors to prey on each other.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 06:37 | 4253377 NoDebt
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Philadelphia is a one party town.  Chicago's got nothing on Philly when it come to graft and corruption.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 08:09 | 4253454 Headbanger
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.308 is a good round for hunting dear in more wooded areas where it's rare to have a 300 yard shot.  But it's still medium power.

270 has a nice flat trajectory but gets expensive to shoot.  I'm liking my 8mm Mauser more (now that it's bedded and tuned in a newer stock)cause the ammo isn't that costly.. yet

But for more urban environments I'd go with either the AR in .556 or the VZ-58 in 7.62x39.  Although there is an AR in 7.62

http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=10A4CBF

So many guns. So little time.. and money

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 11:01 | 4253895 SilverRhino
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8mm (7.92mm / .323) 198gr or 150gr is pretty brutal on unarmored targets.    It's the father of the 30-06 (my own favorite) as well.

 

 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 00:04 | 4252942 Anusocracy
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Detroit, Camden, whatever the name, the Government Reaper's touch is bringing desolation to the land.

It destroys livelihoods and lives, and yet the fools ask for more.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 04:10 | 4253282 AldousHuxley
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big government is a symptom of a decaying economy not the cause.

owners of industry turn to government to protect their unprofitable operations and government passes all unfavorable laws as long as they protect the asset values of the largest donors.

 

wall st. put money on hillary, UAW/GM put money on obama

 

government  has to be liberal because in the absence of liberalism that municipality would be unlivable due to various reasons.

 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 13:20 | 4254370 czardas
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Great points andn so true about the symptom/cause.   Liberalism as a cover for failure is analogous to the phenomenon of "people of color" overwhelming supporting Obama despite having fared worse under him than any other president.  Or Arab nations bashing Israel to cover for famines, high prices and lack of opportunity.  Or Congress "saving" folks from medical bankruptcy even as they push debt to $20T. 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 13:31 | 4254400 Anusocracy
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You are looking at the symptoms. Government created the corporations, laws, and economic conditions. You have it completely ass-backwards.

The first cause is government - always has been.

Wed, 12/18/2013 - 02:32 | 4256227 Kobe Beef
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Government is made of people. People are made by genes. The first cause is genes. Always has been.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 16:50 | 4254994 fallout11
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Right you are. Crony capitalism at its finest, private profits/public loses, barriers to entry, weilding "enforcement" and coersion to maintain profitability and extract economic rents.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 07:23 | 4253404 Wahooo
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Why is it okay for big banks to fail, but not okay for big cities to fail?  Let 'em die. MOAR rebirth.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 01:22 | 4253071 mjk0259
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How high can you count?

130 is still mostly farms and woods by NJ standards. I live at the other end and it's one of the most expensive parts of the country.

 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 03:09 | 4253218 Canoe Driver
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All on ZH: Next time you're on the morning evac detail, flush twice, 'cause it's a long way to mjk's house. 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 03:12 | 4253220 Colonel Klink
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Apparently they'll take anything they can get to eat.

Let them eat urinal cake. -The Obamas

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:00 | 4252760 n8dawg84
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That's my stomping ground, born and raised. Can't take to much exception with the remark, tho. Yeah, that about sums it up.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:19 | 4252813 kchrisc
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I lived in NJ as a teenager. I actually enjoyed it. Got the hell out of dodge as soon as I became an adult though.

Anyways, it was there that I first saw what blacks could do to a community. It was one thing to see it in Philly, Camden and Trenton, but Willingboro was a shock.

Willingboro was/is a kind of edge city that the blacks just decimated. Two kids I knew moved there during middle school. One was black and the other white. They were both racially tormented to no end. The black for not being like them--too uncle Tom. The white for being a "honky." Big eye opener.

 

The question: "Name one town, city or community in the US that is predominantly black and not a cesspool?!"

 

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:34 | 4252854 Freddie
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Tyler mentioned:

Trader Joes, now owned by German billionaires Karl and Theo Albrecht

Trader Joes before it was bought by the Albrechts aka Aldi was a fairly small regional chain in Calif.   They improved the chain and it has a cult following plus they are growing nationwide.

A relative goes to their local one all the time.  They asked the employees if they like that company and said they reated the employees well plus they had good benefits.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 01:25 | 4253076 mjk0259
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Right on topic as always. Surely if Trader Joe's is good, it's because they have no unions - no?

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 03:30 | 4253246 Freddie
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Well probably.  I think Tyler was pointing out companies bought by foreign corps.  My point is the Albrechts do a good job, have really low prices, no steroids in milk cows.  I am not sure if they are no GMO but the Germans are pretty good about keeping that out of their food.  They treat the employees well too.   Believe me , I hate big business too. 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 14:19 | 4254538 WillyGroper
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You apparently missed the ground "beef" horse meat scandal. 

You don't get to be the third richest family in the world doing an honest business.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 03:13 | 4253222 Canoe Driver
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Yo mama's back room?

 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 06:33 | 4253369 dark pools of soros
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yeah, but the chicks party on the cheap!!  woohoo!!

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:38 | 4252867 rbg81
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Western NJ, especially the central and northern regions, are actually very nice.  The property taxes are a killer though.  

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 01:17 | 4253066 mjk0259
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NJ has the highest per household income in the US, or close to it most years.

1/4 of the population is minority and living somewhat like described in this article.

If you have some reasoning ability, you should be able to deduce how much better it must be for whites/asians.

If not, just compare the house prices in Jersey City, Hoboken, Princeton, Edison, etc to where you live.

 

 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 10:40 | 4253838 Foul Harold
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High income and high property values do not necessarily translate into high net worth, especially when the cost of living is also very high as is the case in overregulated and corrupt New Joisey. The high net worth areas in that state which do exist tend to be very cloistered.

 

As much grief as southerners get for past trangressions the dirty little secret is that the urban northeast contains the most racially segregated regions in the entire United States.

Wed, 12/18/2013 - 02:37 | 4256233 Kobe Beef
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How do you think they maintain their high property values? But it's soo much more PC to bash "rednecks" so have at it.

"Diversity for thee, but not for me." Let's Section 8 the Hamptons, shall we?

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 13:25 | 4254384 czardas
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And I say, "So what?"  My state (TN) has the lowest cost of living in the nation and few are complaining.  No income tax, low property taxes, state surplus.  (It helps that both parties are fiscally conservatives and we are "right to work".)  I am not sure the benefits of a greater income are all that much when you compare their terrible property and car taxes, tolls, public unions, inome tax, etc 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 21:24 | 4255612 Obchelli
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Alpine NJ is not that bad

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:39 | 4252513 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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But the black community is damn proud to have Obama as a President.  They don't mind if Detroit or Camden burns!!!  A black man in the White House is their pride.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:42 | 4252524 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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Obama is the worst President in the history of the USA.  Driving the country to the ground.  Almost an african nation when you see cities like detroit and Camden NJ.  You'd think you were in Zimbabwe or Kenya!

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:06 | 4252589 john39
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no Obama fan here. but face it, Detroit didn't happen overnight. it all has to do with global financial terrorism.  and planet earth is nothing but a people farm.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:21 | 4252644 Herodotus
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Walter Reuther wrecked Detroit.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:21 | 4252814 Promethus
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Blacks wrecked Detroit.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:54 | 4252918 PrecipiceWatching
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Corrupt, self-serving Democrat mayors and city governments, enabling generationally entrenched, uncivilized black parasites destroyed not just Detroit , but dozens of other American cities.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 03:02 | 4253208 ronaldawg
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UAW wrecked Detroit.

Wed, 12/18/2013 - 01:04 | 4256081 mkkby
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Yep, name one predominantly black city/neighborhood that hasn't been ruined by their uncivilized behavior.  Go back in history as far as you care to.  Anywhere in the world.

Conversely, if you want to find a decent place to live - check the demographics first.

 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 13:42 | 4254429 czardas
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No, politicians and the democratization of global industry did Detroit in.  The fall of Northern cities parallels the fall of unions and their refusal to adjust despite years of warnings.  Attitudes of low expectation, loss of long-tern planning, acceptance of a welfare lifestyle as normal, collapse of education, refusal to condemn dangerous societal behavior - all contributed.  Inner city folks suffer from Stockholm Syndrome - they identify with those responsible for their plight.  Like masochists, they keep coming back for more.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:27 | 4252668 Ident 7777 economy
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Can I just say it?

A. Series. Of. Democrat. Mayors.

Starting with that progressive Jerome Cavanaugh.

There.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:23 | 4252656 NihilistZero
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Bullshit.  Without Housing Bubble cheerleader #1 George Washington Bush and his overlord at the FED Greenspan we might have what we had in the late 90's, a country that didn't totally sucks for working people.  There all puppets but GWB was disgustingly incompetent.  Without him Bronco Bama doesn't even sniff the presidency.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:03 | 4252774 Beam Me Up Scotty
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You are right about one thing, GW Bush was an idiot.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:24 | 4252664 Freddie
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When he was "elected" - I predicted he would be another Mugabe and was hoping I was wrong.  I also predicted we would see an implosion like the old USSR where old people became beggars along with all ages.   We are not there yet but soon.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:41 | 4252699 Ident 7777 economy
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Were you the one Rush quoted when he said "I hope he fails."?

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:46 | 4252722 Suisse
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I really miss Bush.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 00:32 | 4252987 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

Obama is the worst President in the history of the USA.

[Current President] is the worst President in the history of the USA.

Get used to it, because that's how it will be for the rest of the time that the USA has left.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 02:46 | 4253187 piliage
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Just wait until Hillary....

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 06:43 | 4253384 dreadnaught
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which will be the day i move to..........anyplace but here

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 00:47 | 4253015 kchrisc
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Sorry, Obamie hasn't yet killed as many of his countrymen as Lincoln. Though he does have 3 more years to try.

 

And the puppet Obamie is just another in a long line of puppets to commit treason for the banksters from the "oval-room" in DC. (or from the golf course...)

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 01:36 | 4253093 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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You accuse Lincoln as if he had a choice.   He didn't.   We would have already been returned to a feudal state if he hadn't and then Obama wouldn't be able to do this as he is now. 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 16:21 | 4254878 kchrisc
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That's funny.

Lincoln was a corporate stooge lawyer for the same interests that put him in power and ran him once he was in power.

Wed, 12/18/2013 - 02:39 | 4256234 Kobe Beef
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And killed him when he printed Greenbacks.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 01:28 | 4253081 mjk0259
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Camden was collapsing before Obama was born. It certainly hasn't changed significantly since he was elected.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 03:05 | 4253211 ronaldawg
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Just burn it and bulldoze it and start over with a modern day Homested act.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:55 | 4252567 max2205
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I've been around and this whole country is a festering shithole along with the tattooed idiots living there...what a dump....

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:01 | 4252769 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Yup, can't afford to put their own food on the table but they can afford the $1500 tattoo.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 00:00 | 4252935 PrecipiceWatching
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I see lots of tattooed idiots infesting Socialist shitholes ACROSS THE GLOBE.

 

Start with Europe.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:20 | 4252640 cougar_w
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And your point was?

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 00:28 | 4252911 All Risk No Reward
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"The black community" doesn't exist.  INDIVIDUALS EXIST AND NOBODY IS ALIKE.

If you allow yourself to stew in the "group 'em and flog 'em" divide and conquer dynamic then you are chump.

On the other hand, if you understand the reality and reject the false narrative, then you are a wise person.

We all make choices - some good, some bad.

I know black people that can't stand Obama...  especially vets that learn he's trying to gut their pension.  Lots of issues cross color lines.  They are informed people with an active intellectual self-defense mechanism.  They know it is all bullchit.

I know black folks who like Obama, too - they are completely clueless INDIVIDUALS.

I talk to people about Debt Money Tyranny all the time and guess what?  If you line up ten random black folks and ten random of whatever background you want to bring to the table, I bet that more of those black folks "get it" than any other group - and they will get it faster than the fewer people in the other groups who did "get it."

I showed this chart at to an underemployed black guy who instantly said, "we need to tax those guys..." (meaning criminal international banking cartel represented by the top portion of the flow chart)...

Debt Money Tyranny
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77

He also understood that this was the group that pay ALMOST NO TAX AT ALL.

I've probably sent 500+ emails to a retired physician AND HE CAN'T GRASP WHAT THE UNDEREMPLOYED GUY UNDERSTOOD IN LESS THAN 10 SECONDS.

We are all individuals.  We stand or fall based on CONTENT OF CHARACTER.  People tied into the system tend to be emotionally corrupt - they will lie, even to themselves, to avoid admitting the evil in which they are immersed...  It is the people outside the system who are most open to this message.

Black folks were the criminal banking cartel's beta test.  While all the ignorant people are kicking dirt on the black victims of the oligarchs' diabolical plan, THE OLIGARCHS WERE BUSY PLOTTING HOW TO F* YOU UP.

GOT THAT?

Man... people are so darn primitive (my eye see different, must make fun...) and the sociopath oligarchs use this primitive behavior to hurt us all and hurt us all very badly.

Time to elevate our game or get run over as a primitive galactic chump.  Yeah, I'm probably gonna get run over, too, but I will get run over BECAUSE OTHERS CHOSE TO BE CHUMPS AND FALL FOR DIVIDE AND CONQUER IN UTTER IGNORANCE.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 03:06 | 4253214 ronaldawg
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Moronic series of comments.  In Philly most black parts of the city voted 95%+ for Obama.  Black people are more racist than whites.  PERIOD.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 09:18 | 4253573 newdoobie
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I probably shouldn't bother but... Blacks, since the 50's have been told (and continued to be told) that they are victims of Racism, and if they haven't been overtly oppressed then they have been covertly oppressed. That means an entire generation of people have been raised as victims. They have been given a "slave mentality" that can't be talked out of. There is no hope for someone with a victim (slave) mentality. The next generation must be raised with a new idea of self worth. All the blacks who believed in themselves (a small minority of the minority) left the "ghettos" and made a life for themselves and their families.

Oh and BTW you can't group blacks because "INDIVIDUALS EXIST AND NOBODY IS ALIKE." but you can group oligarchs because "THE OLIGARCHS WERE BUSY PLOTTING" Your lack of reasoning is astounding!

 

Doobie

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 00:14 | 4269973 All Risk No Reward
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>>Oh and BTW you can't group blacks because "INDIVIDUALS EXIST AND NOBODY IS ALIKE." but you can group oligarchs because "THE OLIGARCHS WERE BUSY PLOTTING" Your lack of reasoning is astounding!<<

You can't grasp the destinction between millions of people who, have nothing to do with 99.99% of other people in the group, and a small group of tightly knit people working together in order to screw over humanity's masses?

I believe your analysis is too superficial.

You made a good point about the establishment doing everything it can to hit every hot buttoon they can to inflame African Americans and those people who are in this country illegally.

The tightly knit oligarchy wants division.  The "black people," just like "white people" and "all other people" lack a systematic method of intellectual self-defense to fend off the propaganda...

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”
  -Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:40 | 4252515 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Live within your means comes to mind. During the good times, instead of saving for a rainy day, they had to spend money on every this and that they could think of. And it was debt money to boot, they just had to take out a loan. What ever happened to saving up to buy something? Instant gratification got them what they deserved, a rotting hell hole.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:45 | 4252719 cougar_w
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We are on the entropic down slope into sustainability as 200 years of manic growth wind down to nothing. There is no opposing force in the known universe can reverse our course now. The world that could for the previous 2,000 years support at most 2 billion living humans on the output of the Sun will now shed 5 billion excess stomachs, and contract rapidly through a living hell of death, decay, war and mutual annihilation.

Personal debt had exactly zero to do with any of this.

Living an entire lifetime within personal means would have averted exactly nothing, for anyone, and we are all going down.

Being debt-free will not ensure anybody's survival. Nothing will because nothing can. It is now down to luck and skill, and the future most likely belongs to the swift.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:08 | 4252754 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Ahh baloney. Detroit and Camden aren't shitholes today because there are 7 billion people on the planet. Maybe next week or next year or in 2050 or sometime in the future your statement will be true. There is currently no shortage of resources, I can still buy all the gas and food I want or need. Mainly because I have lived within my means. I know lots of people that have lived way beyond their means and they are the ones struggling, because they had to become debt slaves because they couldn't wait to have the brand new big red big boy truck and way more house than they could afford. And now they can't make ends meet because interest eats up too much of their disposable income. Boo hoo.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 03:24 | 4253236 NickVegas
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You know pre WWII, almost nobody had a mortgage. I make a fine living, and saving up to buy a house is not possible because of the Bernanke bucks floating around. Blame the victim. No one benefits from this system, the thrifty get their savings stolen, so why save. You don't get any of those newly ledger created free fractionally reserved, multiply rehypothecated Beranake bucks, so you can't afford anything, a car, a house, you have to have a loan, all by design. There are ways out, but it is a cage, starting from almost day one with the TV and educational system programming the slaves. Keep the love, that's all we will really have when this edificie of parasites collapses. 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 03:16 | 4253226 John_Coltrane
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The article and your comment mistake correlation for causation.  The cause of Camden's (and America's) problem isn't lack of jobs, good paying or otherwise,. it is a lack of imporrtant cultural VALUES instilled from a young age.

Values like:

1)Self-discripline.

2)Personal Responsility

3)Independence

4)Delayed gratification (saving rather than debt, production rather than consumption)

5)Respect for the family unit and its critical role in propagating the above characteristics from one generation to the next.

The result of this decay in values is lack of jobs.  These people could "earn" $100K/year and they'd still be hopeless welfare state parasites lacking any of the above characteristics necessary to generate true wealth (i.e. self confidence based upon competence and ability-the real store of value)

Oh, and debt is still "the road to serfdom" (see characteristic #4) and failure to understand that will always result in blaming someone else for your problems.  Always, look in the mirror first.

 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 03:29 | 4253243 NickVegas
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I'm serious, all this is old fashion thinking. None of this applies if there are no jobs to delay gratification. There is no family unit because Daddy couldn't get a job. Self-disicpline, fuck that, I save up for my red bike, and every fucking month they raise the price. It breaks all the rules, full World fiat flood transferring wealth for as long as the ponzi runs. Grow up loser. This is the age of fiat. Resistance is futile.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 09:02 | 4253525 backwaterdogs
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This is on the right track....had enough American's possessed these values, perhaps we wouldn't be in this mess....and not just us serfs, a good dose of these values instilled in corporate leaders, gov. officials, etc would have helped.  But, alas, that is a wet dream since turned to a crusty yellowish stain.  I guess we're just screwed!

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:53 | 4252733 ElvisDog
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Yeah, I'm willing to bet that those people quoted in the article who don't have enough money to buy food or start a family probably own an iPhone and spend $100 per month on their data plan. And own a 52 inch plasma TV back home with DirectTV, etc., etc.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 02:05 | 4253125 A Nanny Moose
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Couple years ago, I got lost in Newark after my flight into EWR landed at 12:30 AM. In my travels, I've seen many couches and other furnishings abandoned on the sidewalks of Amerika...just not on fire. Then there were the brothas on their stoops, mad doggin' me at every stop sign, as I tried to navigate outta that "Escape from New York" shithole.

Prior to that, dduring a biz trip to DT Philly, I expressed an interest in visiting NJ since it was nearby, and was one of the few states I had yet to visit. I remember being explicitly advise that I was not allowed to travel to/through Camden until my project was completed.

Don't get me started on the Jughandles.

 

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:21 | 4252459 RafterManFMJ
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Just move? How my sexion 8 and dem fud stamps get me then, yo? Naw imma hang here wit da homies, max that purple drank and tap sum Jersey hos, yo!

Damn it feels good to be a gangster!

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:37 | 4252504 krispkritter
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So long as Section 8 includes Jennifer Anniston.... http://vimeo.com/56886652

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:09 | 4252606 knukles
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She got a bat shit crazy discharge, too?

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 01:08 | 4253060 spdrdr
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Well, as the RollingStone story cited says:

"The first drive-in movie was shown here, in 1933, and one of the country's first planned communities was built here by the federal government for shipyard workers nearly a century ago."

You can clearly join the dots.  Drive-ins, and "planned communities".  Now coming back to bite you on the arse.


Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:28 | 4252483 bunzbunzbunz
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No, it's easier to pander to people if you pretend there is no solution to their problems. Most people just want to complain.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:57 | 4252738 e.blair
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You're not getting many up arrows.  I think that hit a little too close to home for the ZH crowd.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:30 | 4252488 krispkritter
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For most of those people, the only chance to move comes when a hurricane hits and .Gov gives them an extra credit card and sends them off to St. Louis or Cleveland, etc. and puts them up in Section 8 housing or an empty sports dome.  Everyone who had the means to leave, already skeedaddled...

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:45 | 4252522 BLOTTO
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They don't give a shit about us.

Imo, America was an experiment for them to maybe expand and try some new shit on a new group of people, in part, by creating new religions, (i.e., Mormons, Witnesses) products, etc...and turn us into another type of slave that likes to consume.

Anything of any real great importance to them is across the pond - where important texts were dug up out of the ground, ancient monuments exist - basically where civilization started. Thats where the rub is at.

 

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:02 | 4252579 Uber Vandal
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You don't suppose that is why the US was called "the Great Experiment" do you?

http://www.nccs.net/will-the-great-american-experiment-succeed.php

Toynbee observed that 19 of the world's 21 significant civilizations disappeared from the face of the earth - not from assault by outside forces, but from deterioration within the society.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 15:31 | 4254704 Kobe Beef
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Toynbee also observed "When we classify mankind by color, the only one of the primary races . . . which has not made a single creative contribution of value to any of our 21 civilizations is the black race."

oops. das raysist. Banish this heretic to the outer darkness.

But quick, check the changing demographic profiles of the rotting, decaying hellholes of America...See a pattern? Compare it to post-1994 South Africa...Do we have correlation? Compare it to post-1979 Rhodesia... Compare it to post-1803 Haiti... demography is destiny. And Idiocracy is the future, should our little post-modern experiment in State-Sponsored Dysgenic Diversity not be ended forthwith.

Perhaps the urban insurrections of the 60's (nee ethnic cleansing) in these latter-day hellholes fed the capital flight and brain drain. But that would be raysist to point out, too. So let's spin about democrats and unions instead.

The author states "You can't have a middle class without middle class jobs." I agree-- with the addendum:

You can't have Western Civilization without Western Peoples.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 17:53 | 4255175 starfcker
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kobe, that last sentence really is the crux of the matter, isn't it? brilliant.

Wed, 12/18/2013 - 02:13 | 4256191 Kobe Beef
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Yep, that's the crux. And we have 50 years of Marxist propaganda to overcome, and the full weight of the institutions they've hijacked to overthrow.

Nobody said it would be easy, but only the difficult is worth doing anyway. Easy is a great attribute for dishwashers and escalators, not for human excellence. We shall overcome, hahaha

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:04 | 4252591 Raynja
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They don't give a fuck about us, but when we choose to rise, a hero in their childrens eyes, now they give a fuck about us

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 00:55 | 4253034 Diet Coke and F...
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I figure TBTP figured out that capitalism was the best way to pull the resources from the earth. Here is your debt money, thanks for the oil, gold, silver, lead, iron ore, coal, etc...

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:43 | 4252531 doctor10
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"...but the biggest one is the lack of good jobs in these cities."

 

Not quite. A coupla steps shy. The real "reason" is the failure of the American Oligarchy-a leadership class that has run out of minds, and consequently, ideas. That failure has created a sequence of decision-making over decades, the consequences of which were inevitable.

The "Common App" college application is a prime symptom of the mindset that has resulted in American Leaders devoid of ideas and originality.

 

 

 

 

 

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:52 | 4252912 Icantstopthinki...
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""...but the biggest one is the lack of good jobs in these cities.""

 

That's a total cop-out.  Please stop repeating it.  The only thing lacking is effort, personal responsibility to your family and a work ethic.  The government needs to STOP. SUBSIDIZING. BAD. BEHAVIOR.

 

 

This is the reality:

http://goo.gl/maps/ierk7

 

 

Nearby Home prices

http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Camden-NJ/list/pmf,pf_pt/10676_rid/...

 

 

Nearby Available Jobs:

http://www.indeed.com/jobs?l=camden,+NJ&jt=fulltime

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 00:17 | 4252940 Icantstopthinki...
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Camden, NJ apparently doesn't need grocery stores, there is a government subsidy work-around:

http://www.camden.k12.nj.us/departments/food.jsp

 

More to the point:

http://www.endhungernj.org/faq_provider.htm

 

 

There are so, so many STATE LEVEL benefits programs...

 

http://www.state.nj.us/humanservices/dfd/programs/assistance/

 

And yet the neighborhood is STILL the way it is.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:55 | 4252744 zappelscreech
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the unions are to blame

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 08:14 | 4253460 The Shape
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Your town ain't truly fucked until Snake Plissken arrives.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:22 | 4252450 walküre
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If the Chinese are buying Detroit, they will possibly love Camden. What's the alternative to Chinese buyers and investors? Aliens?

Population dropped from 120,000 to 80,000 who are still there despite the fact that all supermarkets have closed?

WTF? What are these 80,000 people eating? Rubbel and dirt? I mean they can drive to the next town to shop but how can not one grocery store survive in a town of 80,000? Have they run out of SNAP already?

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:29 | 4252486 Overfed
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They were probably all flash-mobbed out of business.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 03:09 | 4253219 ronaldawg
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And the county next to Detroit, Wayne County is one of the richest in the nation...

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:09 | 4252600 mumcard
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Probably whatever junk they can get from convenience stores.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:15 | 4252615 knukles
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Most Twinkies sold are on EBT cards.
So much for Mooch's Eat Healthy and Exercise Your Butt Away Campaign.

Go to school
Get a good salad lunch
I know people who pay $25 for a salad at noon...

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:54 | 4252741 Tijuana Donkey Show
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For $25, it better be served by a topless woman.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:29 | 4252835 Promethus
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For $25 you should be serviced  by a topless woman.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 09:12 | 4253551 Big Corked Boots
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For $25 on Admiral Wilson Boulevard, you will be serviced by 5 of them.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:04 | 4252783 Legolas
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Doesn't the MWAG like a good "tossed salad"?

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:15 | 4252618 StateofFraud
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80 thousand people living out of the corner convenience store -- beer, cigs, lotto tickets, and hot pockets. 

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:33 | 4252679 Freddie
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Most of these people live at McDonalds, Churchs/Popeye Chicken.

I remember going into a McDonalds in a local upscale town less than two years ago for lunch.  I will not eat their fake "food" anymore.  The place was filled with baby mommas w/baby(ies) watching TV and on their cell phones.

This town was light years from Camden, NJ too.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:17 | 4252619 bonin006
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They are paying 2 times as much at the corner store.

Damn - 3 people jumped ahead of me while I was typing.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:19 | 4252649 mumcard
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No worries, trickle down actually works here.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:37 | 4252686 ironsky
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Some of the shoppers in that last grocery got whole tenderloins down their pants without anyone noticing. Shrinkage met expansion.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:17 | 4252451 RafterManFMJ
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Turning? Was this originally written in 1988?

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:20 | 4252452 Stanley Lord
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Christie could save Camden if he went there to have diner.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:41 | 4252521 booboo
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Chris Chistie comments on article

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GdzbCIxkzo

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:59 | 4252926 Frostfan1
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No one can save Camden. They tried with the aquarium which is really nice to get people to go, forget it, now no one goes.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:18 | 4252453 q99x2
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Big Fat Dude ate them out of house and home.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:19 | 4252458 kliguy38
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Its a designed implosion........most still live the illusion this is a cyclical/inventory recession.....sorry the news is you were duped and the only trickle down you're gonna get is already "got"............its over unless you wake up 

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:23 | 4252461 krispkritter
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Philly should just annex Camden.  Then the Philly cops will have more people to beat the shit out of and the New Black Panthers will increase their voter rolls.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:37 | 4252512 Freewheelin Franklin
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Please. Philly doesn't want nothing to do with Camden. Kensingtion isn't even half as bad as Camden. 

Now, if Willie B Goode was still Mayor of Philly, he coupld drop a bomb on it and burn half of it down, and no one would even notice.  

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:19 | 4252632 knukles
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Betcha betcha betcha ain't many of us left who remember that.
Was a new advance in race relations.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:29 | 4252669 Big Corked Boots
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Either of you a Frank Rizzo fan?

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:53 | 4252730 Freddie
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Frank Rizzo the mayor or Frank Rizzo the Jerky Boys character?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXWo6jXmRO8

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 00:51 | 4253022 Freewheelin Franklin
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The only good thing to come from Rizzo is that if you get caught by the cops you have a choice. You can either get a good beating in the alley or they can take you in and book you and send you to the Roundhouse.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:04 | 4252785 NuckingFuts
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for those who don't I believe there is a new documentary out about it, titled:  "let the fire burn".... NO KIDDING.  I can't comment about the political bent of the film or it's quality but it is out there.

 

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:02 | 4252770 Legolas
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M O V E.  First time I ever saw dredlocks.  Scared the pee out of me!

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 00:56 | 4253030 Freewheelin Franklin
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That's what started the whole Mumia thing. He had a radio show that supported MOVE and Ramona. 

 

He killed a cop. He got bad avice form his lawyer and decided to fight the charge. Either he or his brother shot that cop and his brother ain't talking. If he was smart, he would have worked out a plea and been out in 5 years. 

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:24 | 4252468 MichiganMilitiaMan
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Actually I hope they stay where they are, and maybe we can wall off the place to prevent the idiot ideas which ruined New Jersey, Detroit et. al. from spreading.  You just have to look at Colorado to see how insane things are as the same people who ruined California, and now do not want to live there, move to Colorado and F*ck up that state.

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