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Europe Officially Loses Fight For Ukraine, Russia Wins
Over the past month, an interesting conflict emerged between Putin's Russia and, well, some unelected person's Europe. The conflict was over who would be the Ukraine's big brother, and strategic ally for the future, and whether the Ukraine would snub Europe, i.e. the West, and reorient to its Soviet Union roots, by aligning with Russia. Moments ago, the fight over Ukraine ended. Russia won, and not only pledged $15 billion in future Ukraine investments, but de facto became the lender of last resort for the troubled nation.
- PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA-UKRAINE TALKS IN MOSCOW WERE CONSTRUCTIVE
- PUTIN SAYS GAZPROM TO SELL GAS TO UKRAINE AT $268.50
- PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE BENEFITING FROM DISCOUNT ON RUSSIAN GAS
- PUTIN: RUSSIA TO USE SOVEREIGN WEALTH FUND TO INVEST IN UKRAINE
- PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA TO INVEST $15B IN UKRAINIAN SECURITIES
- PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE'S MEMBERSHIP IN CUSTOMS UNION NOT DISCUSSED
- SILUANOV SAYS UKRAINE TO SELL $15B BONDS TO RUSSIA IN 2013-14
Europe, like a jilted lover, was sad but understood it had been bested.
- GERMANY’S STEINMEIER: EU’S OVERTURE TO UKRAINE FELL SHORT
- STEINMEIER: EU MAY HAVE UNDERESTIMATED RUSSIA DETERMINATION
Notably, this is the second major geopolitical gambit that Europe has lost this year: first the Syrian escapade, where it tried aggressively to replace Gazprom with Qatar (and failed), and now it has lost Europe's "bread basket."
Ukraine bonds welcomed the clarity, and that the nation is now officially once again under Russia's sphere of influence:
And now, with Ukraine firmly in the pocket of Russia, it remains to be seen how the local opposition and the pro-European protesters will react. They will hardly be enthused.
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NWO Fail.
When Vladimir Putin dies, the Russians are going to put his huge balls in a jar, just like they did with Rasputin's giant cock.
13 inches long when pointing skywards and as thick as most men's wrists..
http://www.local-life.com/st-petersburg/pages/m.1162_rasputins-penis.jpg
TMI = Too Much Information
13" is more than 7 standard deviations above the mean
Over 8" is more than 2 standard deviations -- 2 standard deviations above average is 7.7" -- above the normal average size (aka, less than ~5% of adult male population would even have 8", and less than ~1-2% would be over 8", and only 0.15% [15/10,000] men would have a penis longer than 8.8"
Now that is TMI!
Knowing stats helps to know when women lie. When women talk to each other, they tend to exaggerate the size of other guys they've been with.
It could be like the weather lol. "Currently 7. Feels like 7.2"
The more a woman is attracted to a man, the longer his penis is perceived to be (she thinks it is over 8", but it is an average 5.5").
Vaginal orgasms are NOT penis size dependent. If a woman is vaginally orgasmic, a ~3" finger will do it (it will even reach deeper that the "G-spot" for most women). If a woman is NOT vaginally orgasmic (only ~30% of women have vaginal orgasms during intercourse, according to The Hite Report; and two European studies), it does not matter how big or small the thing is. The only time when it might matter is for psychological reasons (low self-esteem and/or low intellect characteristic of "size queens")
3" finger ... yep that sounds about right.
there's no way Merkel can compete with anything that big
FWIW, a very 'well travelled' lady once informed me that length doesn't matter, only thickness.
It depends on what you mean by "matter". Also, the key question is she vaginally orgasmic?
Girth "matters" (but there is a way around this too, by pressing downward and producing the same feeling) for feeling of fullness (many women like the feeling of fullness inside them), but it will not make a lot of difference for having a vaginal orgasm for majority of women (as only ~30% of women can have vaginal orgasms). The outer 1/3 part of the vagina has the majority of vaginal sensory pleasure nerve endings (most sensitive part); therefore, stimulation of this outer 1/3 area (e.g. girth or move around more using wider strokes) would produce the most pleasure and not so much the stimulation of relatively insensitive inner 1/3 cervical part of the vagina with deep penetration (long penis).
An average normal vagina size is 3-4", and 5-6" when a woman is aroused (even a normal average size 5.5" long penis could be hitting the cervix and causing pain for majority of normal woman [most women do not like when you hit their cervix because it is painful]).
Women are attracted to men with long (piano) fingers.
The length of the nose or thumb also correlates to length of penis. Hence, "Under my thumb"...
I thought that the richer a nice man is, the moar she is attracted to him, and the more likely she is to... Go Long on him.
And the more likely he is to issue dividends and shareholder equity.
Woman have no fucking clue what they have to take up with no matter what hole.
Get real, seize and get real action done.
Size is overrated by those who are frigid or taking advantage off of sickening multicultural propaganda.
Frigging frigid exchanging a good dick for a bigger dick
is a soul destructing game for lesser souls.
Have a merry and non-interbreeding Christmas .
What the fuck are you saying?
I was reminded that women are just as good at lying/lie-ing as men are, when I saw an episode of Seinfeld, where Elaine informed Jerry that she had faked it many times: "Fake, fake, fake, fake, fake. Fake."
He must have had some long ass fingers as well.
Texas Affordable Penis Measuring Kit:
1) Stick out your hands
2) Make a gun shape with your thumb and pointer finger (check for TSA, NSA, and CNN in your area first to avoid being arrested)
3) Put your two pointer fingers together end to end in front of you.
4) The inside distance between the base of both your pointer fingers is the length of your dong.
Have a good day.
Actually, you want the great span (thumb to little finger). :)
No, no, no...it is wrist crease to elbow crease, or is that for the foot?
Let's be careful, we don't want to scare any of the young ladies.
Like your Raputin picture wouldn't scare a bull dyke straight!
Wait... what was this article about again? Ah, forget it. Couldn't have been anything important.
More likely it would scare a straight woman gay.
It is rumored to have healing properties if you take it out of the jar and slurp on it...
Ick. I think I've been traumatized.
Not so sure I buy the legend about Rasputin's wingdangdoodle, but there is no question in my mind about the size of Putin's balls. They are enormous, and they fukkin' clank.
Message From RINGO To Europe...
Peace And Love, Peace And Love.
There lives a dude in Russia now not long ago
He was big and strong in his eyes a flaming glow
Most people looked at him with terror and with fear
But to Moscow chicks he was such a lovely dear
He could preach the bible like a preacher, full of ecstasy and fire
But he also was the kind of teacher women would desire
ra ra ras putin russia's greatest love machine...
Except that they didn't. The early accounts of Rasputin's member say that it was dried out. The item on display in the "Museum of Exotica" is a hoax, just like the many skulls of St. John the Baptist. Which shouldn't detract from the Putin metaphor in the least.
That ain't so big...
Who is going to get stuck putting Janet Yellens in a jar when he dies?
Mrs. HH?
So far indeed. I see the US dispatched their gold star senile mongoloid John Walnuts McCain. With the destruction of Libya complete, him being a persona non grata factually in Egypt now ( http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/08/06/Egyptian-Govt-to-McCain-He... ), his cavorting with radical islamists in syria ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/27/john-mccain-syria_n_3342897.html ) I'm not sure anyone can have any doubts as to what this asshole's motives are.
They'll keep going.. They are 1 trick ponies in that regard.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/washingtons-dirty-game-in-ukraine/5361882
p.s. speaking of walnuts, did you hear a while ago he actually hired the petulant virago elizabeth obagy, digraced liar and supposed expert on syria? LMAONADE anyone?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/27/john-mccain-elizabeth-obagy_n_4...
boy did I fuck up. I brought some links to a dick measuring contest BWAHAHAHA!
Can we please have immigration deny McCain reentry?
Wow: I'm not sure I've seen a balder piece of doublespeak even from Obama. The choice belongs to Ukraine, so McCain tells them what to choose. It's like he's managed to summarize a century of American diplomacy in two sentences.
It's just business.
As Kubla Krauss used to say: "A Kaputnik saved is a Kaputnik earned". Ukraine just saved a bunch of Kaputniks.
Listen, Jack, things are bound to get Frosty now... as we get 6 moar weeks of QE Winter.
PUTINWINSLOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsC2ETsZL0g
Yeah, I know it's Soviet not Russian, but don't you still feel the tingle?
Good and the sooner the EU fails and falls apart completely the better.
As a native Ukranian (long a US citizen) this is nothing short of a disaster and the ironic thing is that the majority of ethnic Russians did not want to "join" the Russian empire again. Russia seems gripped with a historical contempt for individual freedom, eonomic freedom, social freedom, innovation or progress. Her oil and gas will run dry as her population shrinks below Turkey's. This will hopefully affect her biggest industry - arms exporting. RIA reports that she will surpass the US this year despite a tiny GDP. The joke is that Putin's slogan is BACKWARDS,
Agreed with this. I am not from Ukraine, but Moldova, so I have some similar background in this. Not even Russians like Russia. Give any average Russian peasant a visa to any European country and they'll take it instantly.
my symphathy to both of you. let's hope that Russia itself becomes a better place and so reflect this in it's relationship to the old/new satellites
don't be mad at me if I also express some relief at this news. I fervently hope it ends all peacefully and amicably
You might also mention that for 500 years central europe and eastern europe were culturally aligned with western europe, particularly France and Italy. The Russian influence only goes back less than 100 years.
We sponsor two kids in Modova since 1/3 of the adults have left the country. There is no better (worse?) example of what happens when dogmatic central planners destroy a beautiful country and nice people. Ukraine suffered but Moldova was practically obliterated. What's hard to fathom are the down arrows from those who not only apologize but (inconceivably) praise Putin and Russia. It's like a bad genetic mutation that turns thugishness, loss of rights, bullying and violence into things to be admired.
Well, as an American, the US seems to be waging war on on individual freedom, economic freedom, privacy, and the Constitution.
Her world reserve currency sanity pass will likely expire before Russia's oil and gas will.
Yeah, this makes lots of sense. In response to the dwindling human rights situation in Russia let's....slam the US.
Putin and Russia remain rather weak overall, but it is clear that a weak hand well played will beat a strong hand that is fumbled. Having visited Russia a few times, I would not want to live there, but I am starting to develop a grudging respect for Putin and his abililty to outplay his opponents (Syria, Ukraine, EU, etc)
One side is playing chess, the other, checkers.
McCain' useless poker skills are no match for the russian chess grandmasters.
Putin's jus' raised ya $15B............Hey McCain,shove that weak two pair hand up yer ass!.
Putin is playing chess, Obama is playing Bingo.
What has Europe and America done since the end of the cold war? Nothing really...Squandered time and resources. Russia and China have clawed their way to where they are now. Sure America and Europe are still much more wealthy and the standard of living is definitely superior yet that is the point. They are obese and lazy while Russia and China are rabid and starving. Kinda like in Rocky III when Mr. T has nothing to lose and everything to gain while Stallone's luxurious surroundings made him forget who he really was. America just needs a training montage. Europe...ya, no amount of training will fix that.
America needs Carl Weathers. </strongblack>
Both America and Europe are led by sociopathic theives and charlatans who are only focused on raiding their sovereign treasuries. Pukes and assholes, that's what we keep being served up by the banker & multi-nationals that have captured the entire political system. The political class is totally corrupted, and the Supreme Court is stacked with toady idealogues.
"Corporations are people, too, my friend."
It's a joke, but the joke is on us.
Putin, on the other hand, is smart, tough, and savvy -- but he also seems to be a patriot with the drive to build and shape Mother Russia. In other words, he is everything our Western leadership is not.
Europe is old and corrupt, and still somehow under the sway of the old aristocracy and royalty. You can tell by the way they still defer and lionize the old ruling families, allowing them to retain ostensibly meaningless hereditary titles. They still mostly marry amongst themselves. Russian and China rightly killed theirs off root and branch to make way for the new. The US, oddly, seems to be in the process of creating royals. The rest of us are just plain-belly sneetches without stars upon thars.
I have to note that you are referring to a very tiny portion of the old aristocracy, the one that still has some vestigial power. the way bigger rest lead quite ordinary lifes, and many have probably more financial troubles than quite a lot of ZHer
further, as far as I know the Founding Fathers debated for quite a while if the new republic would not be better served by an hereditary or open aristocracy. I think they debated the Venetian nobility system too, but of course Shakespeare's Othello is bad PR for that
and no, knowing your ancestors is not the same as marrying "among themselves". in fact, knowing precisisly if a couple shares a great-great-grandfather is actually much, much safer, from a genetic point of view, than the situation many in smaller cities and villages have
old, yes. corrupt? I find with astonishment this general US-ZH notion that the rest of the world can't be less corrupt than...
To say Europe is corrupt, doesn't mean the US isn't, but it's corruption is more mature, sophisticated and probably debauched. There have always been poor aristocracts. They're still star-belly sneetches. Good grief, the remnants of the Romanovs are still feuding over the succession.
I used to read that to my kids.
There was a lesson there and I think the kids learned it.
Stack On
Good. I'm afraid we won't be invited to any of their frankfurter roasts. One of the current crop of Romanov pretenders styles himself His Imperial Royal Highness no less. Princes, Grand Dukes and Grand Dutchesses abound. Apparently, they are nurturing a delusion that they will be invited back. Not that there isn't precendence for that, but after nearly 100 years? Personally, I think the only way they are going to get back into the Winter Palace is as a tourist, but I suspect that in another 100 years they will still be nurturing that delusion and still consider themselves entitled. Too bad the Bolsheviks didn't get them all.
China is on the moon, literally laying the groundwork for their military bases on the moon, Russia continues to restructure the global economic landscape, and our fearless leader takes "selfies" with the Euro frat boys!!
What could possibly go wrong??
Whoever wins, Ukraine loses. EU puppet Timoshenko or Russian puppet Yanukovych? Both don't give a rat's ass about the people.
The country itself is a buffer zone between the East and the West with no economic strength whatsoever. Either they move gas out of Russia, hoping to collect some tax and siphon a few cubic meters, or they build Nato bases, radar stations and deploy anti-missile defenses hoping to collect rent. The loss is greater than the gain due to sanctions coming from whichever neighbor feels disadvantaged.
Whoever dominates the political regime pays for the riot police. The other side organizes protests and takes care of anti-government propaganda. Doesn't even matter which is which.
The end result is that the people starve and get the shit kicked out of them without moving an inch from where they've started.
I'm American and I'm ROOTING for the RUSSIANS, what the HECK?!
Maybe its having watched episode of Real Russia Vidoe Blog on Youtube by a two guys from Ufa in Russia, they show what life is like in Russia with a a little peek once in a while of nice looking Russian ladies.
Hey Maybe that is all Putin needs to station in Kaliningrand instead of the missiles, just some hot Russian Babes on the Border.
Here is the link, very interesting view of life in Russia from the perspective of more the average folks....
https://www.youtube.com/user/realrussiablog
Couldn't have happened to a nice bunch of banker scumbags!
NOW KICK OUT ALL OF THOSE CHEAP LABOR WORKING UKRAINIANS OUT OF EUROPE!!
NOW!!!
...What did Russia win?
Ukraine HATES Mother Russia.
Will take the $$$, then run.
Run away...?
When you deal with the devil, there is no running away.
The way I heard it, Polish Ukraine hates Russia, and Russian Ukraine hates the EU.
Both say they want to be "independent" but both want to be a voluntary bitch to their master of choice...until they say "fuck off" to the EU and Russia they will never be free and independent.
Just so stupid, sad and frustrating...but it applies to just about every nation on this rock!
The Ukraine wouldn't be able to out run Russia's tanks...
Here is why you must owe a gun! If the people of Ukraine were armed, they would have overthrown this fraud in office.
Yeah, so they could then be once again ruled by some germans and nazi symapthizers in brussels all under the control of the MoneyChangers...
now thats "CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN".....
>> If the people of Ukraine were armed, they would have overthrown this fraud in office.
The experience here in the US kind of flies in the face of that hypothesis.
The only thing "happening" right now in America, is the people with the guns have been bought off momentarily with "helicopters of cash", people only "rise up" when they have nothing left and hunger and desperation overcome the fear of consequences!!
It's just human nature, same as anywhere and at anytime in history!
The only difference is, when your armed and desperate, TPTB have much less power to crush you without consequences to THEM!!
You must be talking about McCain as your name is MFL Tucson. Yeah McCain is an (evil) old fraud.
HEY MCCAIN -
THE WORLD WOULD HAVE BEEN A MUCH BETTER PLACE IF "CHARLIE" HAD STUCK A PUNJI STICK UP UR ASS AND YOU HAD DIED A PAINFUL AND LONG (NOT TOOOOOOOOOOOOO LONG) DEATH...
GO AWAY U WAR MONGERING PIECE OF NOT EVEN GOOD ENOUGH TO B CALLED DOG SHIT MOTHER FUCKER...............
Germany's Steinmeier: "We knew we had lost when McCain showed up."
Did he really say that? When McCain showed up it would be like having the devil show up.
Obama's biggest and earlier supporter was Lester Crown who made General Dynamics (huge defense contractor). The Crowns are in Chicago. One of the biggest contractors in Arizona is General Dynamics.
Crown owns Obama, McCain and Jeff Flake. McCain's family of Admiral fathera dn grandfather has been selling out America to MIC and the NWO for decades. Pappy Admiral McCain sold out the sailors of the USS Liberty to Israel.
McCain is as evil as Obama is. Friend of Al Qeada, Qatar and Saudi Arabia as well. Human POS.
Don't forget pappy McStain's role in hushing up the younger McStain's role in burning down the USS Forrestal. Muffugger shoulda been court-martialed and hung from a yardarm.
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Not in public. Yet.
I moved to Arizona in June and I can't wait to vote against the clown known as John McCain. All four of AZ's house Republicans would be a substantial improvement. Hopefully David Schweikert runs as Ron Paul has endorsed him int he past.
Now Vlad needs to clean house, the Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. Heavily run and owned by Jewish (NOT "Russian") mafiya kingpins.
Go Vlad!
I can laud Vlad all you'd like for his strategic gumption, and be amused by the bony irony of his most-interesting-KGB-comrade-in-the-world PR campaign, but one thing I can't do is rejoice in Vlad's victories. I hold Vlad in the same esteem as a man-eating tiger. Admiration is an elaboration of filial fear. This is not a man who trifles nor should be trifled with. He - and whatever is the name of the real party of bosses he presides over - is schooling the west in resource management. How does Vlad feel about Chinese aggression? No one knows. How does Vlad feel about African natural resources? No one knows. He is just waiting at the fringes of the frenzy for his opportunities. I would admire the man if I didn't fear him.
When Vlad's victories (or anyone else's for that matter) come at the expense of the worst form of garbage on the planet, all of us can feel free to rejoice.
Never said he was perfect. But judge Putin objectively on the same scale you'd use for any other influential global figure, and he'd not rank anywhere near the worst. Those positions are locked up by global crime syndicate kingppins and their gentile whoreboys, sometimes referred to as presidents, prime ministers and EU leaders.
Don't know how Vlad feels about African resources? Me neither, but to illustrate the point above, here's West's outlook: let's loot 'em and buy off or murder anyone who gets in the way!
Well said! To me, he represents a complete 180-degree turnaround in Russian power positioning. They don't seem the initiative-taking aggressor, they are moving reactively according to discipline and plan.
How is he any different any almost any Russian autocratic who squashes, imprisons, and/or kills his domestic rivals, lives extravangently along with his inner circle, portrays a very careful and deliberate image to the Russian people through approved communications, and is looking to lock-up neighboring countries under the heel of the Russian boot either through outright invasion (see Georgia and other areas where Russian troops haven't left) and/or economic influence through energy politics?
Sorry mate but this isn't the Netanyahu / Israel thread.
Are you taking a moral high ground regarding his tactics? There is no moral high ground. In this country, it is the witness who is murdered, or at least hunted. Political rivals are not actually rivals, simply polar opposites according to a very specific program of brand positioning.
Vlad is not destroying America from the inside like McCain and his bosses are.
The NWO/EUSSR is flooding Europe with Muslims, Africans and other third worlders to destroy those countries like they are in the USSA. Putin is not doing that in Russia or the Ukraine. Putin is far from ideal but he is much better than the scum running America.
Puin has spoken out many times on how the West is destroying itself with mass immigration of unassimable people and general degeneracy. He has openly stated that this won't happen in Russia. I admire the guy.
Putin is a borderline dictator. It's pretty sad when I say that I respect him far more than I do any other "world leader", by a wide margin. Sad indeed.
If you have to have a govt, a benevolent dictatorship is th best. Fuck democracy.
We don''t have a democracy in the USA.
Take it easy Park , he tries to get to the reasoning of
the tribe that haunts his nation ever since and the deception
caused by not being your own race and perception at all :
Russian dilemma.
Russian race got raped three times over by mongols.
Hence, parasites attacked this big hurt nation and still have a feast as we speak.
That also applies to the USA
Couldn't agree more with you there.
That is what always happens when you let the MONEY CHANGERS stay in the country....
Leolom Tickach = Always Take!! (Jewish Proverb)
Brings to mind some famous words of one of Europe's Greatest Statesmen:
FREDERICK THE GREAT OF PRUSSIA wrote in his Testament politique that: We have too many Jews in the towns. As soon as you get away from the frontier, the Jews become a disadvantage, they form cliques, they deal in contraband and get up to all manner of rascally tricks which are detrimental to Christian burghers and merchants. I have never persecuted anyone from this or any other sect; I think, however, it would be prudent to pay attention, so that their numbers do not increase.....
Their chief rabbi Ovadia Yosef called gentiles 'goyim jackass slaves meant to serve their JEW masters'
All the oligarchs in Ukraine are JEWS, no wonder there is no money in the state budget, the JEWS are bagging all the cash in off shore accounts.
All the oligarchs in Ukraine are JEWS, no wonder there is no money in the state budget, the JEWS are bagging all the cash in off shore accounts.
We sent our best rabble-rouser, McCain, and yet Putin wins?
Voltairenet.org covers this issue well:
Ukraine: NATO’s Eastern Prize
by Wayne MadsenEver since the democracy manipulation efforts of international hedge fund brigand George Soros were joined with the artificial street revolution tactics of CIA tactician Gene Sharp to form the core strategy of the U.S. neo-conservative goal of imposing a «New American Century» on the entire world, Ukraine has served as the prize of America’s interventionist foreign policy. And the neocons are still alive and active as ever inside Secretary of State John Kerry’s State Department.
In the wake of what has been called the «Orange Revolution II» [1] in Ukraine, Kerry’s Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, Victoria Nuland, who previously served as Hillary Clinton’s State Department mouthpiece, threatened sanctions against Ukraine’s government led by President Viktor Yanukovych. Gazing over protesters in central Kyiv from his hotel window, Arizona’s fanatical Republican Senator John McCain was licking his chops over the prospect of an anti-Russian Ukraine coming into being. McCain is a Cold War throwback and someone who remains mentally-unbalanced between flashbacks from a prisoner of war cell in Hanoi and to present-day reality.
Ukraine, which resisted efforts by the European Union to integrate it into Europe’s banker-led federation of austerity and poverty, came into the EU’s cross hairs after it abandoned an «Association Agreement» pact with the EU. Instead, Kyiv opted for a more lucrative economic union with Russia. That move triggered off a mass street uprising in Kyiv’s Maidan (Independence) Square that demanded the resignation of Ukraine’s democratically-elected President and government.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article181535.html
Vlad Vs. McShame was never a contest...
McCain is an NWO stooge for Soros, Rockefellers, Saudis, Qatar, Israel, AIPAC, MIC, et al. He is a disgusting person and Putin just laughs at him, Obama and Hillary.
I don't think McStain has any particlarly strong views either way. He has so much baggage in his life to date and thus so thoroughly compromised that he's putty in the hands of TPTB, the men behind the curtain. Same with the Lovely Lindsey Graham.
Here's an interesting take from an outfit that reported the ass kicking of the Islamic Front in Syria 2 - 3 months prior to the propoganda outlests in West having to admit reality.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article181535.html
Soros, the Democrats version of the Koch brothers.
I do not like the Koch Brothers but Soros is far worse.
The should of had a sniper take the Assistant secretary of state Victoria Nuland out while she was handing out those treason cookies to the Ukrainians. Hey there would of been no big deal look at Benghazi, I am sure Hillary could of chimed in and said 'So What' just another dead American citizen in a place where they shouldn't be.
There are probably many people in the Ukraine who had dreams of a bounty via the EU who will now have to get a proper job in order to survive.
The EU doesn't work, will never work.
What was their pitch to you?
"SIGN UP, YOU TOO CAN BE AS COMFORTABLE AS GREECE, ITALY, PORTUGAL, CYPRUS and SPAIN.
After all a problem shared is a problem halved
I'm half way through Bernard Connolly's book The Rotten Heart of Europe. He was an economist working for the EU who predicted the shit storm the European Monetary Union would cause. If the Ukraine joins the EU they will be the new Greece. Connolly rightly calls the EU the New Soviet Union NSU and a champion of the NWO.
Ukraine had to find money to avoid default next year. If Europe didn't provide loans, with no help from IMF and China, Ukraine had to go to Russia. Now real question is what Russia gets out of this deal? I don't see any benefits.
Russia gets gas customer when gas prices can be very volitile...
Russia gets access to navy ports...
Russia gets to add to its buffer and sphere of influence...
Russia gets to flip bird at EU and (indirectly) to US...
The list could go on and on, but Obama, no doubt, will share your opinion.
Do they still grow wheat in the Ukraine? They get that too. Oh, I'm sorry China, were you going to finish that?
http://rt.com/business/china-ukraine-agriculture-lease-267/
Bingo...
Russia gets cheap bread for the sheeps...
(knew there was another biggie..., I have the memory span of a puppy. oh.., wait)
I doubt this fight for Ukraine is over.
Newsflash, the fight for the EU isn't over either, they have much bigger problems than deciding which Socialist party gets to loot the citizenry dujour, Islam is a much bigger problem, demographics are destiny.
When "them" are outbreeding "us" by 8 to 2 its only a matter of time before we are them.
How was Putin not the Man of the Year. I demand a revote.
To qualify for the Peace Price you need to represent a country that has nuked at least one other nation... at least twice.
Given that the EU is the new Soviet Union here, Ukraine appears to once again have taken a step away from Communism.
Putin is slapping the the clown faces right off of the Europeans and Obama. Obama told Medevev to tell Vlad that he would be moar flexible after the elections.
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin .... a most fascinating person.
Ukranians officially escape the clutches of Europe.
There.. I corrected that for you.
For now. The vermin like Soros, McCain, the USSA, NWO, EUSSR are parasites who do not give up easily.
Yeah that's pretty fucking hilarious. Ukraine fucked up BIG TIME. There is nothing worse in this world than living under Russian power. Time for a civil war..
It's a no-brainer. Ukraine gets pretty damn cold in the winter.
Europe: No energy resources whatsoever. Massive unelected bureaucracy and high taxes.
Russia: Abundant natural gas. Strong, competent leader.
" and, well, some unelected person's Europe."
did you mean .. NOT elected by the Ukrainians ... or ... NOT elected by the Europeans ?
Me thinks both !
Apparently one Super Bowl ring wasn't enough.
STEINMEIER: EU MAY HAVE UNDERESTIMATED RUSSIA DETERMINATION
The truth is, the IMF underestimated Russia’s determination. Because when it comes to capturing a whole people and putting them under the hammer of the international bankers (like Greece), the people try every way they can to wriggle free. At least working with Russia will give the Ukrainian people a chance for independence eventually.
With the IMF, as many have learned, there is no return.
This hammer lock can easily be recognized in the United States this week where six Republican Senators —Hatch, McCain, Flake, Burr, Collins and Johnson— have agreed to vote with the Democrats to cut off debate on the sell-out budget bill which passed the House earlier.
Orin Hatch, John McCain and others dramatically represent the surrender of Republicans to the international bankers; for it is the bankers and their special corporate lobbyists who control Establishment Republicans and create the one-party system in Washington, DC.
Hard to believe John McCain will be back for the cutoff debate vote since he only recently represented the international bankers on the streets of Kiev. When it comes to delivering the goods, this turncoat (and we don’t just mean in civilian life) is perhaps America’s greatest example of complete corruption.
Oh, wait. We forgot Senator Orin Hatch who has delivered (from his position on the Senate Judiciary Committee) several of the key Supreme Court justice positions who consistently vote against free enterprise America . And lest we forget, Hatch, McCain and others are the men who have delivered Obamacare, fully funded in the surrender bill now before the Senate.
Not sure independence is a sustainable option especially for Ukraine, the EU and US banker/looter interest are a big monster-with all the currency in the world to loot
The US used to pull off the "independence gig", and they fixed our wagon with mass immigration and we have oceans on 2 sides and Canadians above.
Well at least the Ukrianians can see that McCain will sell you out like he sells out Americans with the NWO RINOs and Democrats. The Senate is so evil like McCain.
TPTB have all the dirt they need on McCain, none which gets into the media or is ever introduced by his political opponents. If he even looks like stepping out line it's open season pn him and he's destroyrd. His offences were so great that he should have been tried for treason. They all know the rules so the game gets played accordingly.
http://irishsavant.blogspot.ie/2008/05/real-mccoy-mccain.html.
I can't believe my fuckin eyes. THIS IS RUSSIA PEOPLE ? Take it from someone who has lived under USSR (Yeah it was a 100% RUSSIAN THING!). There is nothing worse. Hitler was a boyscout compared to Russians..
EU is a paradise compared to Russia..Ukraine got fucked. It's a sad day..
Really paradise? Crowded cities, rampant unemployment, people going to bed hungry, I have realtives there, the stories are pretty bad.
Who wants to live in those conditions and as slaves to the money changers ...
Leolom Tickach = Always Take!! (Jewish Proverb)
Their chief rabbi Ovadia Yosef calls us "gentiles are goyim jackasses meant to serve their JEW Masters"
Things are hard enough as it is who wants a bunch of parasites sucking the economic life out of their country so that they can live the good life while their slaves life like crap.
You have relatives there ? Dude I live in Estonia. It's hard, but compared to the Russians this is kindergarten..
Vitali Klitschko will turn things around! That is, if he doesn't get whacked.
Was thinking the very same thing myself... Vlad & Vitali- - a new V2 rocket aimed straight at the heart of the City of London.
And Ukraine could not be defeated in Chess, Judo, or Boxing :-)
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the klitch brothers are soros fuck puppets jew hired muscle.
Really, or are they just playing rope-a-dope?
Local color and motion lotion can't be beat.
I wonder when Putin is going to start asking the EU for those gas payments to be made in the barbaric relic?
Western Europe has been and will always be a zest pool. Most of the Worlds problems orginate from the pointy heads there. F'em...
Apparently when TPTB 'let' Russia become more capitalist the one thing they didnt bank on was the creation of FSU states. They contended, however, that Russia could get thosse FSU states back anytime it wanted. This outcome is a warning to all FSU states. You are still considered part of Russia.
Thing is, what TPTB counted on was a Jewish drunk named Yeltsin. What they wound up with was a steely-eyed Russian Orthodox Nationalist. History is not so easily arranged...
God I love Chaos Theory.
Putin is de man
So Rumpy and Co LOSE again. I guess we can all be surprised about that ...NOT...
Between a rock and a hard place.
The incumbent president of Ukraine Victor Yanukovich was booted out in 2004 after the Orange revolution. Which reminds me of this comment within text of the article by Terry Hallman, originally posted in 2005, related to the then Ukraine Prime Minister , after the Orange revolution.
quote : Terry Hallman: Really Betraying a Revolution. 2005-05-27
Now moving on to 2013 . . . .
Putin doesn't like to sit still does he? unlike our TOTUS who is only interested in dominating the golf course, Vlad obviously has much larger ambitions. He locked down the Ukraine, punked the west in the med over Syria, is in the process of essentially militarily conquering the Arctic, parked nukes right on the Polish border with the expressed purpose of knocking out NATO missile defense systems and gave asylum to Eward Snowden simply to hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth from Washington which is apparently music to his ears cause he has been hearing a lot of it this year.
and downtime? he doesn't go out and conquer 18 holes or invade Marthas Vineyard to the tune of 10 million in taxpayer money, no he sits in front of a TV camera for hours on end answering questions from the serfs without a teleprompter. of course on those rare moments when the planet earth is to quiet for is liking and therefor not providing sufficient stimulation, he buzzes Canada with Strategic nuclear bombers or Japan and China with fighter jets at the same time.
yeah, the EU really never had a chance.
Yeah because Putin cares about the common Russian in rural parts of Russia. Yeah sure. Just look at the economic development and demographics statistics of the population. Whole parts of Russia that are disappearing and crumbling.
Maybe you can say Putin is a realpolitik kind of ruler who recognizes what Russia is and where its future is at (St. Petersburg, Moscow, and a few other large cities) but he is also a the classic Russian autocratic ruler.
Guess they didn't like that 71% IMF tax eh?
No problemo, there's plenty of other asset pools for the Socialist mobs in the EU to raid, all of South America, Africa and Brazil, they still believe in Socialism in Brazil and Venezuela, they want to believe in Socialism.
It's beyond me why any country would ally itself with those who starved literally millions of their own citizens into early graves!
Another example of how global financial leadership was forfeited to the east.
God bless them, maybe this will lead to a long needed domestic purge of corruption.