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NSA Official: "I Have Some 'Reforms' For The First Amendment"

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Here’s an article by Daniel Drezner, a professor of international politics at Tufts University and a contributing editor to Foreign Policy. He recently spent a day at the NSA’s headquarters in Fort Meade, Maryland. As you might expect, some interesting tidbits came from the mouths of some of these control-freak statists. One truly unenlightened official seemed to hold the press in particular disregard and stated: “I have some reforms for the First Amendment.”  I’m quite certain he has some reforms in mind for the 4th Amendment as well…

Once again I ask, if they hold the U.S. Constitution and civil rights in such disdain; what exactly are they protecting us from?

From Foreign Policy:

For an organization that is so efficient at amassing data intended to be kept secret, the National Security Agency seemed surprisingly clumsy in accepting data that was volunteered to them. I’d emailed the bits and pieces of my personal data necessary to be cleared for access to the agency’s headquarters in Fort Meade a week before the scheduled visit, with zero response. As it turns out, an NSA server has crashed, they told me, creating havoc with some email accounts. This sort of hiccup humanizes the agency, though it also raises questions about their vulnerability.


The NSA’s biggest strategic communications problem, however, is that they’ve been so walled off from the American body politic that they have no idea when they’re saying things that sound tone-deaf. Like expats returning from a long overseas tour, NSA staffers don’t quite comprehend how much perceptions of the agency have changed. The NSA stresses in its mission statement and corporate culture that it “protects privacy rights.” Indeed, there were faded banners proclaiming that goal in our briefing room. Of course, NSAers see this as protecting Americans from foreign cyber-intrusions. In a post-Snowden era, however, it’s impossible to read that statement without suppressing a laugh.


The NSA’s attitude toward the press is, well, disturbing. There were repeated complaints about the ways in which recent reportage of the NSA was warped or lacking context. To be fair, this kind of griping is a staple of officials across the entire federal government. Some of the NSA folks went further, however. One official accused some media outlets of “intentionally misleading the American people,” which is a pretty serious accusation. This official also hoped that the Obama administration would crack down on these reporters, saying, “I have some reforms for the First Amendment.” I honestly do not know whether that last statement was a joke or not. Either way, it’s not funny.

If that’s what they are willing to say when a professor is around, just imagine what they say behind closed doors…

Full article here.


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Thu, 12/19/2013 - 00:48 | Link to Comment holdbuysell
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"I Have Some 'Reforms' For The First Amendment"

And that's exactly why the second amendment backs up the first.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 00:52 | Link to Comment Indian_Goldsmith
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They're here to protect all of us, of course.And protect the children from their parents. The wives from their husbands, the students from their teachers, and protect all americans from working hard

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 00:57 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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But most of all, to protect you from yourself (because who knows what kind of crazy evil terrorist you are or might be in the future!).

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:13 | Link to Comment JohnnyBriefcase
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People never tire of imposing their will on others.


Until they are ventilated, that is.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:31 | Link to Comment rehypothecator
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On the other hand, I have nothing but contempt for the mass media, propaganda mouthpieces for statism that they are.  So it's tough to decide who to root for.  

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:00 | Link to Comment prains
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cheer for the guy who can forge steel into something sharp and pointy

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:50 | Link to Comment Motorhead
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NSA is part of the Department of Defense (DoD):

I, [name] do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic....

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 03:17 | Link to Comment economics9698
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Fuck the NSA, here is my number MFer.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 05:18 | Link to Comment BringOnTheAsteroid
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Is it illegal to ask for the targetted killing of the heads of the NSA?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 06:31 | Link to Comment negative rates
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@just imagine what they say behind closed doors…

Hey, hows about you and me go in the other room and do a couple lines.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:21 | Link to Comment markmotive
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Rule #1: Keep your population living in fear and they will give up their rights.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:34 | Link to Comment Ying-Yang
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Wake up Sartosi401... NSA thread

Is the NSA working for us or to control us?

Give us a litlle Snowden type wisdom on your experience inside the NSA

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:49 | Link to Comment El Oregonian
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Abolish the Act of 1871 and the Reconstruction Act of 1867, where the United States for America was changed from a Republic to a corporation known since as the UNITED STATES of AMERICA. Unfamiliar with the current farce known as today's U.S.S. of A? If not, you have a pretty steep learning curve because now you don't have much time left.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 06:52 | Link to Comment giggler321
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Why stop there?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 07:11 | Link to Comment BringOnTheAsteroid
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It's getting way past stopping there.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:02 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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The court has ruled the data mining unconstitutional.....but they've put the ruling to the side.....cause those guys scare the hell out of them.


"When the people fear the government you have tyranny. When the government fears the people you have liberty."

- Thomas Jefferson

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:35 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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"The First Amendment ensures that “if there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein,” as Justice Robert Jackson wrote in the 1943 case West Virginia v. Barnette."

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:40 | Link to Comment kralizec
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As stated above the 2nd Amendment is the authority that gives the people the final tool to redress grievances, of which we have more than just a shitload, and it also is intended not just to deal with the tyranny of one but the tyranny of many.  Since the Congress is incapable of exercising control over itself it is highly unlikely it is going to perform its constitutional function of impeachment and conviction.  Thus, the people need to end their tyranny as well.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:56 | Link to Comment negative rates
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You're a bit out manned and out gunned there, man of the people.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 09:01 | Link to Comment kralizec
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Thanks for the reminder.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:22 | Link to Comment fightthepower
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George Washington, Viet Cong and Mugahideen

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 09:51 | Link to Comment Bendromeda Strain
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Out gunned surely, but out manned? That is becoming arguable.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:32 | Link to Comment Patriot Eke
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Should we only fight for the cause of liberty when the odds are in our favor?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:38 | Link to Comment Overfed
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You're an idiot. It's not that the people lack the guns or the numbers, which they don't. What they lack, for now, is the will to use their guns. Should enough people start feeling like they don't have much left to lose, then look out.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 14:39 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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And do what exactly?  Attack random gov't buildings and starting shooting gov't employees?  It isn't that I don't think the federal gov't has vastly overreached.  It is that the tards who advocate such a standoffish and extreme technique have no idea on how and where to proceed next. 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 06:05 | Link to Comment Fred C Dobbs
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Well said economics9698.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 06:22 | Link to Comment malikai
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Speaking of "the good guys"..

Tylers, are you going to update the jQuery you're distributing any time soon? It's been vulnerable to a particularly easy XSS known for at least three years.. In a normal (non click generator) site, this wouldn't be an issue because you'd controll all the js. But here I've counted about 7 or so foreign js scripts that you're loading (from various ad/spy networks like doubleclick, GA, etc).

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:39 | Link to Comment Spanky
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Does not POTUS take the same oath?

"President Bush was also quoted by three White House sources of exploding in a meeting with Republican leadership over the Constitutionality of the Patriot Act, shouting, “I don't give a goddamn. I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way. Stop throwing the Constitution in my face, it's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:31 | Link to Comment NeedtoSecede
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And for the guy/gal who knows how to turn the common piece of rope into the hangman's knot.


Secession anyone?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:49 | Link to Comment falak pema
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a wine bottle cork screw opener that doesn't break in your hands half way up the pull! 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 03:38 | Link to Comment edotabin
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My legal background is zero. That being said, I humbly propose a reform concerning the First Amendment:

It must be observed, followed and obeyed at all times and in an unwavering fashion.

In the past we had freedom of speech but we could not project our voice. This importance of this amendment has grown significantly since the web became ubiquitous and must be defended even more vigorously than before.



Thu, 12/19/2013 - 04:01 | Link to Comment Wyatt Junker
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Freedom of speech?  The media's been propping up presidents for over 50 years as 'relevant'.  They are mostly just hemmoroidal men fed verbal salad through a plate of glass like a branch through a woodchipper, usually poorly written word documents by college kids.  

If you want to know the real story about these sociopaths called 'presidents' read Ethyl, or better, start with this very short primer.

Click link.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 09:35 | Link to Comment Keyser
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The media have taken sides in the past, but in my 6 decades on this planet I have never seen the blatant ass kissing by the majority of the MSM for Obama. It is shameless and the people are finally starting to catch on. Check the ratings for evidence thereof. 


Thu, 12/19/2013 - 16:42 | Link to Comment Wyatt Junker
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I was ahead of the pack.   I caught on to Barry in 2004 when he read prompter for Kerry, the other glorywhore, when he was running for prez.  

He read decent woodchipper. 

But when he started in on 'Selma' and 'one people' and 'rise above' and went pentacostal twang, I knew the fraud I saw then firsthand. 

I was surprised the next day when the entire media began giving him 24/7/365 blowjobs.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:39 | Link to Comment JohnG
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Goddamn right.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:11 | Link to Comment bankrun
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If only local militarized police could wake up and smell the tyranny… and that is why you cannot become a cop if you are too smart.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:17 | Link to Comment Keyser
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Most police forces are now manned by a lot of ex-military. So you now have that mindset dealing with joe sixpack. The concept of "serve and protect" went out the window a long time ago. Today's motto should be to "harass and incarcerate". 


Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:33 | Link to Comment Patriot Eke
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It's already "Comply or else."

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 07:05 | Link to Comment Jannn
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New Chairman SGE: Huge Potential For Gold Investment

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:17 | Link to Comment Ban KKiller
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Death to fascists....know any?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 16:24 | Link to Comment ToNYC
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As soon as the Allies entered the Eternal City, in a few days all the Fascists and collaborationists disappeared, never to return. The Corporations however lived on, and learned a lot  from those weasels that peta understands on another level.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:54 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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No it doesn't and it never has in the US but that will get me endless red thumbs down.  There is still a notable contigent (and sizable contigency) who think that some group of people with semi-automatic weapons can stand up a modern military equipped with armor and close ground-to-air support despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary since WW2. 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 13:18 | Link to Comment rotagen
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Vote from the rooftops.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 00:50 | Link to Comment HedgeAccordingly
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  1. thats why you move your work offshore - away from these creeps. oh wait.. that does not matter.... 
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 00:49 | Link to Comment gafgroocK
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"I Have Some 'Reforms' For Tenured Professors I'd like to implement"

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:34 | Link to Comment Tall Tom
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The Tenured Professor was not the one who suggested the reforms. It was the NSA jerks that did.


You want to shoot the Messinger? Oh...YOU, AND FIVE OTHER PEOPLE, DID NOT READ THE ARTICLE.



Thu, 12/19/2013 - 09:15 | Link to Comment gafgroocK
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Hey, its "MISTER Typical FUCKING *RICH* AMERICAN"  to you, ya filthy foreigner.


Thu, 12/19/2013 - 09:32 | Link to Comment CH1
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The Tenured Professor was not the one who suggested the reforms. It was the NSA jerks that did.

Who the fuck cares? They're all part of one big, fascist system of theft and war. The inner distinctions are minor details.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:39 | Link to Comment l8apex
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Murf, you win the internet idiot award today.  Congrats!

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 09:09 | Link to Comment gafgroocK
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opps, in my haste for witty-ness, my ADD kicked in and I failed to read the article.

"I am sorry".. I exclaim as I fall on my Sword with my last thoughts of the Ritalan I failed to take............

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 00:50 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:01 | Link to Comment threeputting
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Fuck the NSA.

Snowden absolutely owning these dbags.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:59 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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"The lone wolf" theory. And "that includes you too Doogie Howser!"

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 04:55 | Link to Comment CuttingEdge
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A nice polite fuck you from Brazil, facilitated by that gift that will hopefully keep on giving, a true American patriot (unlike the quasistasicunts at the NSA).

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:05 | Link to Comment Rukeysers Ghost
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The NSA stresses in its mission statement and corporate culture that it "protects privacy rights."


Right. These Stazi acolytes sure do seem like they are all about protecting rights, especially the dude who has issues with the 1st Amendment. After the Fed is audited, if ever, the NSA should be next on the list.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:20 | Link to Comment zhandax
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After the Fed is abolished, the NSA should be next on the list.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 09:37 | Link to Comment CH1
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First.... we should walk away from all these pigs, call them pigs, and start building new lives outside their system.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:05 | Link to Comment NOZZLE
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I vote that we reform the right to trial clause and kill this  

NSAHOLE immediately. 


Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:06 | Link to Comment Bobbyrib
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NSA Official: "I Have Some 'Reforms' For The First Amendment"

That's nice, but to change the Constitution you would need to have an amendment passed (or have a Supreme Court full of judicial activists [which is the truth]).

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:45 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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I submit that when you look at these debates they always come from a place that presumes the government has the right to do most anything and our purpose is to be ruled.

When you think like a free person and not a subject or one of the ruled you look at it differently. I kind of look at this and say, "Hey, NSA (assholes). We decided we don't want to listening and saving all our conversations and movements no matter how good you think it is for us! It's our decision, our lives OUR country, not yours and this is how we want to do it. So find other ways to catch terrorists. BTW, how are the Tsarnev brothers?"

I aslo submt that the Left has no standing in this argument. They fundamentally DO believe in an enlightened elite who know what's best for us. This is an integral part of it.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 03:08 | Link to Comment Zero Point
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Ah horseshit.

The right to keep and bear arms has become the right to own rifles thanks to supreme court interpretation.

By my reading, US citizens in a militia, should be allowed to own and maintain SAM systems, armoured vehicles, and anti tank systems.

In fact militias should be the backbone of the US defense forces by my interpretation of the second amendment.

In fact, my reading of the second implies that citizens have a duty to serve in militias.

Federal forces should be tiny, if not non existent.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 03:27 | Link to Comment duckandcover
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Wouldn't that be cool for the neighborhood to have a destroyer tied up down at the Marina?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 03:32 | Link to Comment Zero Point
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I actually have a friend that owns an ex Canadian navy mine sweaper, moored in his back yard.

They made him take off the guns o' course, but damn it looks cool.

Not quite a destroyer, but if you squint a little....

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 06:51 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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A boomer would be better.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:38 | Link to Comment Patriot Eke
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Virginia's Bill or Rights, Article 13 reads:

That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

Before some asshat previous general tries to suggest otherwise too, "civil power" is We the People, not the Executive Branch.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:07 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Cue the slow motion eagle.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:18 | Link to Comment Overfed
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And get some rope.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:38 | Link to Comment JohnG
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:sharpens hatchet:

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:11 | Link to Comment Seize Mars
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I have some "reforms" for the NSA.

They involve the NSA...fucking off.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:17 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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I have some reforms for the NSA I have in mind like disbanding them and a shitload of other worthless liberty killing three letter agencies.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:47 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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Let's publish all their conversations, locations and internet searches shall we? If this stuff is really good for us, let's start with the government drones. BTW, it includes all those three letter agencies. Let's see what they have been up to. I do think that is actually good for our country.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:15 | Link to Comment pragmatic hobo
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their job is to protect the top 0.001% from the unwashed mass ...

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 03:42 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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Their job is to divide populace into "good" and "evil" and have "good" pay protection fee to uncle sam against "evil"

of course the elites are the ones to determine the sides

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:21 | Link to Comment Kina
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Wow these people really are the scum of the earth. 


The world exists for them..they don't see themselves as employees of the State and thus of the people. ...they see themselves as The State. 


They represent a danger to the USA. ..they are a danger to US  liberty and rights and well being than any crim

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:27 | Link to Comment Brit_Abroad
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A clear and present danger, me thinks

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:44 | Link to Comment Tall Tom
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The NSA has been subverted by a Dictatorial Element. This is the problem with the current Military Junta ruling the United States.


I was not drafted. I am not in the Military. I have not surrendered or forfeited any Constitutional Rights. I am not subject to Admiralty Law.


The problem is that the people in the NSA ARE MILITARY. They have willingly abdicated their Rights and Liberties to that Command Structure and Justice Code. They, likewise, believe that all need to be subject to that code, whether or not they have willingly abdicated..


This is the reason that the Founders were dead set aganist having a Standing Army. They are a threat to Liberty, not a protector thereof.


He who will trade their Liberty for safety deserve neither. That is what we have done by allowing a Standing keep us "safe" from external threats.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 03:49 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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everything government is military beginning with your first president general george washington


Thu, 12/19/2013 - 05:24 | Link to Comment Spanky
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Been wondering for some time now, since awakening in the 1980s, when our greedy bankers and their power-mad politicians would attempt to turn their war machine upon us.

Our first coup occurred in 1945, immediately after FDR's death. Harry signed everything put in front of him. Look it up. NSC, CIA, NSA all sprang from his pen... straight from his advisors' lips. And where did those advisors come from? Where did State's Policy and Planning Dept. come from in 1939 (adopted whole cloth from what organization endowed by both JD Rockefeller and JP Morgan in 1921)? Who wrote the UN charter? And negotiated Bretton Woods.

The second happened when John was murdered in his car. Why not remove a sitting president? The company, esp. under Allen's direction with his brother John Foster's assistance at State, was overthrowing governments and installing corrupt, brutal dictators to serve US banking and corporate interests since its founding in 1947. But John stood up to the brothers, unlike Ike. Right off the bat, he said no to US airpower at the Bay of Pigs... and then all those other exciting events from Berlin to Cuba and back again.

Odd, isn't it, that after John sacked Allen, and said he wanted to smash the company into a thousand shards, that Allen wound up sitting on the inquiry into his death. And of course there are no unanswered questions about what happened that fall day in Dallas. Or whom might have been in attendance... just ask Poppy.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 07:56 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Where does JFK's command to station nukes in Turkey fit into your t fantasy  history.

It was that deployment that caused the Cuban crisis as a response from the Soviets.

Just as JFK backing down on the Turkish deployment ended it.

You are a victim of exceptional revisionism.I

You deiscredit some of the correct narrative thru' disinformation.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 09:48 | Link to Comment falak pema
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Kennedy when he came to PAris on his first foreign country visit asked De Gaulle to tone down his neutral third way stance vis a vis Russia; as De Gaulle having been snubbed at Yalta, had started his own bliateral relationship with Soviets as equals as soon as he had the nuclear capability in 1960; all outside Nato.

Kennedy wanted to be firm to Soviets and was balked by de Gaulle's refusal. The Berlin crisis began just after and obviously it influenced Kennedy's Turkish play.

This has nothing to do and is incidental to the Kennedy-MIC standoff, a domain of internal politics. The MIC and the CIA wanted more independence from Potus. Bay of Pigs was that conclusionary compromise which ended  in disaster when he gave them the go ahead which he bitterly regretted subsequently.

What was posted above in no way is incompatible with this cold war strategy that Kennedy firmly defended.

Kennedy knew how to separate USA's internal problems from its geopolitical challenges. Something his successors MANIFESTLY compounded as their mindset was not ethical but hubristic.  

Thats the point our friend made. His time line of US policy decision reorientation seems totally valid.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:46 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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"What is the state? I AM the state."

-Louis XIV

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:29 | Link to Comment Manipuflation
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Women... such creatures as they are.  You have to love the slender nature of her middle finger here.  I like girls.:-)  The more these assholes try to do the more they piss off women and make it easier for us.  The last fucking thing you want is a bunch of pissed off women of any national origin. 

We need to turn our women against these assholes.(plus that will take some of the pressure off of us)

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:33 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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Happy Bill of Rights Day, earlier this week...

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:18 | Link to Comment Manipuflation
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Hey then, lets all tip one back.  I blame all of my drinking on the holidays you know.:-)  It's probably some holiday today too so double up.  In another 20 minutes it will be another holiday here, or there, what does it matter?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:39 | Link to Comment Duc888
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Don't these fucktards at NSA have to swear an oath or something...regarding the Constitution?  Is it an Oath to ignore the Constitution?


Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:41 | Link to Comment sixsigma cygnus...
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Well at least, now we know how hard the NSA is working to protect us.  Especially if you work for the press -- now you should feel "extra special" protected

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:37 | Link to Comment BullyBearish
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Giving up your liberty for "security" will guarantee you neither

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:39 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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The NSA does in fact respect the right to privacy.........but only its own privacy.

The puppets in Washington will surely clamp down on the NSA and produce something similar to the new 1000 page Volcker rule legislation.

In other words loopholes will close and trap doors (escape hatches) will open.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:40 | Link to Comment darteaus
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"Once again I ask, if they hold the U.S. Constitution and civil rights in such disdain; what exactly are they protecting us from?"


Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:08 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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They are actually protecting us from the truth.

Knowing the truth is more important than freedom because it will eventually set you free.

To the contrary we have a nation full of free people that are oblivious to some of the greatest truths either because those truths are hidden or because their brains have turned to mush watching the Kardashians and other trash.

So if the NSA and its pals can hide the truth, subvert it and demonise it, they will succeed beyond our greatest fears and beyond their wildest hopes.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:56 | Link to Comment Tall Tom
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We have NSA Trolls openly working this Website. satoshi401 is one of those Trolls. They are not even hiding it anymore.


satoshi401 wrote. "Most of my bud's  such as myself are ex-NSA, they're in the know, and they know if that once you don't have a phone ( mobile tracking device ), then your invisble. Internet use is optional, but preferred not, I stay amused by visiting forums such as these."


There is no such thing as being ex-NSA. Once a spy always a spy.


Fortunately Military Intelligence is an OXYMORON.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:46 | Link to Comment Sizzurp
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The top priority of any bureaucracy is to grow. Never mind that what they are doing might be unconstitutional, trample on people's rights, or whatever, it's about staying employed and getting that pension.  If this collecting of phone calls and emails gets the judicial thumbs down, a lot of NSA folks are going to be looking for work.  That's what really scares them. That's why Alexander was on 60 minutes trying to spin this any way he could. They already spent billions on all the computers and facilities to do this snooping, but now it might all get flushed.  Who is going to be accountable for the bad decisions and waste if it all has to be abandoned?  I'll be shocked if scotus does the right thing and shuts them down.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:49 | Link to Comment FreudianSlip
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Most people do not understand what the NSA really does and what they have done for years and years.  That's kill people.  All over the USA.  Who at NSA decides who gets killed and why?  Have no idea who decides, but suspect part of it is corporate cronyism.  Guys with good research or patents that need to be disappeared for future corporate profits.  Remember when all those research microbiologists died in strange ways?  There are plenty of retired military with civilian/psudo-government jobs on call and they work outside of the state they live in.  Sometimes they even interview the person on tape first, as if they're doing an interview for a government agency and then kill them.


Time to take our country back.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:13 | Link to Comment Andre
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I have a few reforms of my own - for the NSA

First domestic surveillance is in direct violation of their charter, which specifically restricts them to spying on foreign nationals. The threat of blackmail using real or forged evidence is much to great to ignore. The problem with digital systems is, forgery as such is child's play.

Second, their charter also makes them responsible for the communication security of the US. By deliberately compromising the Dual_EC_DRBG random number generator for the AES set of cryptographic standards the NSA has placed banking (via the SP 800-90 standard), economic (think cloud, patents in progress and trade secrets), and potentially even military operational security at risk by relying on (at best) "security through obscurity". I'll ignore the other issues, such as deliberate backdoors in the OS, for now.

Not that anything will be done, bur this is treason, in a very real and legally actionable sense, since it seems reasonable to assume they knew the effects of their actions - whether the press reported them or not. At the very least, this is negligence so gross as to merit the dismissal of the entire command structure on grounds of dereliction of duty.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 03:30 | Link to Comment Tall Tom
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It is possible that there are still elements in the Military Command Structure that have Ethics and will affect arrests upon the rougue elements of the US Military for Treason upon the final Economic Collapse and dissolution of the current criminal regime.


But...with that as a caveat...I WILL NOT HOLD MY BREATH. Too many are too greedy and Power Hungry. I foresee the dissolution of the United States happening as a result of a Military initiated coup d'etat.


Sieg heil!


Of course that is far from the ideal. But it will be bloody. That is whom is behind the Gun Seizure...the Military. The Ops at Sandy Hook and Boston have Military Fingerprints all over them. So does 9-11.


No jets intercepted the Hijacks? No jets? That is against every SOP when dealing with any hijack over US Airspace.


Where were those fucking fighter jets? Too busy playing a war game to deal with the real thing?


Yeah. Right. I am so stupid that I will buy that bullshit.



Thu, 12/19/2013 - 05:22 | Link to Comment fiftybagger
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There were no jets.  It was all theater and media hoaxery.  Your premise is flawed.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:00 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Somebody call the police. Arrest them. They are hated by the United States of America.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:49 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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Hahaha! Good stuff. They ARE the police.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:04 | Link to Comment Harry Dong
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Don't you love it when the cia and NSA have their cat fights in public?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:14 | Link to Comment Bunga Bunga
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“I have some reforms for the constitution.”

~Adolf Hitler, 1933

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:13 | Link to Comment jack stephan
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This block of states is "The last house on the block" that's I read a while back. I'm not even religious, but I think seven lean years just kicked in recently, you booga bandits. Looks like 11:11 was Fukushima not an hour of the day. Crazy Mayans.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:18 | Link to Comment El Vaquero
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To be fair, this kind of griping is a staple of officials across the entire federal government. Some of the NSA folks went further, however.

Tyler, to be fair, the federal government can go fuck itself.  All I hear form them is "Waa waa waa, we don't have enough power."  Nowadays when they get caught doing something they are not supposed to is bullshit, lies and how "it's unfair" because they're doing their patriotic duty or how it is somebody else's fault that they fornicated the canine. 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 04:16 | Link to Comment starfcker
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sorry i'm late to the party. is this where i sign up for FEMA camp?                                                                                                                                                  edit:    they aren't really watching you, but they can make you think they are......... er, wait, maybe they really are. fuck you NSA traitorous pieces of shit. and thank you mr. snowden. don't ever let it be said one man can't make a difference.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 04:22 | Link to Comment Tall Tom
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Yeah...If you are stupid enough to allow your capture...yeah. You are signed up. You are not too late to the party.


Are you really afraid of those fucks? They already know that they will have to kill me.


I am not afraid to die. I pray for Death every single day during every waking moment.


There is NOTHING on this Planet that I want. It is one big fucking LIE. Most of it is a fucking lie straight from the depths of Hell.


No. I do not have any fear of Death. I embrace it. I crave it.


After you get to this state of mind then you are truly free. You just do not care all that much for living.


So you can take risks and live instead of exist to give service on your knees, or, bend over and invite them to shove it in. That is not life but a Hellish existence.


Perhaps I ought to publish the U.S. AEC's "Obsevered Data on High Density Plutonium Cores in Extreme Geometry"??? LMAO


The afterlife will be much better for those whom Jesus knows. You do not choose. He makes the choice. I have the Blind Faith that I am one of the chosen. But that is where I am exercising "Religion"


While I can prove God's existence I cannot prove that I am one of those whom are chosen. In fact I can more easily demonstrate that I am NOT one of the chosen as I am a horrible sinner.


But then there is the concept of Grace.


I'd be damned if I were God. I would damn myself to Hell because I do not deserve all.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:22 | Link to Comment Judge Crater
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The sad part is that most of these NSA drones think they have a career there for the rest of their lives, unable to read the handwriting on the wall.  Just as with the jobs space scientists working for NASA had at Cape Canaveral, the NSA jobs will be going poof in the near future.  NASA is out of the space race, with no more shuttles or launch facilities in Florida.  Most of the NSA drones will see their jobs replaced by computers and algorithms.  For reference purposes, in 1926 Warner Bros. introduced a synchronized music sound track (on Vitaphone discs) for its release of the movie "Don Juan."  Within 5 years, almost all the 25,000 musicians who had jobs providing musical accompaniment in movie theaters permanently lost their jobs.  In the 1970s, ADP automated a lot of the payroll work for small businesses, so that the businesses no longer needed the part time bookkeepers they all used to employ. New technology that cuts costs wipes out many jobs.  The massive hiring of computer personnel by contractors working for the NSA is relatively new, something that occurred in the past 15 years.  Most of those new hires would have been laid off in the next few years as the U.S. government runs out of money, the national credit card has been maxed out by the thieves in Washington, D.C.  Thanks to Snowden, the RIFs will take place sooner.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 07:17 | Link to Comment Metal Minded
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....the national credit card has been maxed out by the 'bought and paid for' in Washington, D.C., on behalf of the thieves in the Wall St Banks, Brokerage Houses, and Fortune 500 Transnational Corporations.

Identify the real problem or you will never solve it.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 09:04 | Link to Comment sethstorm
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That is precisely why Snowden's own existence is likely to be RIF'd. 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:38 | Link to Comment rp1
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I have some reforms for the first amendment too.  It must be reaffirmed and made absolute.  No state secrets.  The NSA can kiss my ass.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:45 | Link to Comment monad
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Damn straight the media is criminal. Don't reform the 1st amendment, use it. Start NSA Leaks - Remedial News on the nsa home page. The truth will set you free.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:48 | Link to Comment The Heart
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Good ol Dave Hodges is does a really cool radio show on some network somewhere.

He should do a -tube channel to get is word out also.

Here are a few reforming articles to peruse...just for fun.


Thu, 12/19/2013 - 05:19 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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I have a reform for his worthless head, as in separated from his body.

"Give me Liberty or give me death."

That's for you m'fuckin' NSA.

Terrorists?  Yeah right.


p.s. - Second Amendment, backpack, pressure cooker, Super Bowl, Abdul, package, C4, AK 47, rounds, explosives, evade, American Imperialists, White House, Congress, Capitol, Wall Street, Stock Market, crash.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 05:18 | Link to Comment MarcusLCrassus
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Call your congressman and tell them to de-fund the NSA.


Maybe about 10-20% per year, each year, in perpetuity.  It doesn't matter how big that secret data center they have in Utah is if they can't even pay the power bills. 


THIS is the NSA's achilles heel.  Hit them where it hurts. 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:01 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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The budget already passed. 

In a couple of years, you can try this strategy.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 05:31 | Link to Comment fiftybagger
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Too bad you people can't comprehend the implications of strong crypto.  FYI Bitcoin 650.

The Bitcoin Channel

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 06:48 | Link to Comment Kina
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I wish Bitcoin all the best, and when it has been through its proving process will happily use it.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 06:44 | Link to Comment Kina
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The Military and NSA will not be satisified until there are no people in the USA except soldiers under their command and subject to their orders.


To be a civilian in the USA is to be an enemy of the NSA and of the Military.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:19 | Link to Comment falak pema
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A walk through history and why the Matrix has to adapt the new constitutional Normal to the new global REALPOLITIK meme. 

What is the vision of the new socio-political frontier that US INCEPTION bequeathed to the world ?

It is this : We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

It is this uniquely novel principle that heralded the emergence of a bottom up democratic world construct; giving it its universal  legitimacy in the west; a dated vision that is now INCOMPATIBLE with the new global Oligarchy normal. The hugely financialised  and outsourced capitalist leveraged NWO, scions of the new aristocracy, want to impose on humanity a new set of rules.

Simple as that :  "All men are not created equal...they have no unalienable rights..." Period. This has to be the starting point : undoing the Jeffersonian declaration of Independence right from its foundation! As GWB said : Its just a piece of paper! 

As the game is played globally, all humanity cannot benefit from a constitutional suit taylored for a small coherent community of 13 fledgling states. 

How do we move the consensus view to this new normal which will guide the global village age?

That is the new political adventure of this new age! And the spin doctors will be hard at it now to define in an amended constitution the contours of this new normal!  Reality calls and paper virtuality, even seemingly sacred, has to follow!

So how does this new world Oligarchy set about changing that reality?

A walk through history shows us how a real politik construct works ever since Machiavelli wrote his treatise "The PRince". He showed it to the world, in the midst of a cataclysmic value change : the demise of feudality and catholic church, the rise of nation state rulers.

 "The end justifies the means" realpolitik meme that he annunciated will henceforth prevail and pervade; making political honesty a thing of the past.

"Read my lips" will become a sick joke, as each Prince will do exactly the opposite of what he spoke to achieve his temporal aims. Two trends inherent in Humanistic Renaissance will facilitate this reset :

a) The intemporal constraint of divine consequence for one's acts having died with the demise of Pope's unquestioned spiritual hegemony in the West, man's ego is liberated from afterlife fear.

b) Gutenberg's press generalised dissemination of knowledge and the enlightenment meme of Renaissance contributing to this awesome cultural change of moral mindset that will shake western civilization to its roots.

"We truly are what we do" as Aristotle said, and now we can do what we like provided we use REASON of STATE to justify it. We hide behind the Grand scheme of things to justify compatibility of 'exceptionnal usage' of controlling top down state logic for the glory of its elites with hypocritically avowed and 'inalterable' "bottom up", "we the people" meme. As the American revolution and the French revolution; in an interval of ten years;  will cast in stone stated in their respective constitutions, enacted by their social fermentation, that people's democracy and nation state republic are the way to go towards the future. As follow up to the velvet revolution of Oligarchical and royalist Britain of the previous century. What is cast in stone can be circumvented by elitist sleight of hand! 

Here again the Machivellian principle has taught the silversmiths of nation state logic to hammer in the construct of how a double agenda is ALWAYS used : one to present to the people, one to present to the elites; the latter the true agenda of power sharing which makes reason of state work! 

How is this power construct articulated?   Wait and see in my next post as I'm out of breath! 
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:00 | Link to Comment Czar of Defenes...
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The article has tin-foil conspiracy wrapped around it.

"One official accused some media outlets of “intentionally misleading the American people,” which is a pretty serious accusation."

Well...yeah...but I make the same "accusation" about the so-called mainstream media every day.

Either stick to facts, or go with science fiction, Mr. Krieger and Prof. Drezner.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:02 | Link to Comment steveo77
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Activism --- Do whatever it takes

NRC is forced by a court to accept public comment on how they are handling spent fuel.    It is simple to comment on this.   The direct link to the comment form is right here.   No searching around, no tricky Docket numbers.

Do it today.   Deadline is the 20th Dec.   And drop a comment here and your confirmation number.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:31 | Link to Comment 22winmag
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Freedom of Speech. Yeah... just watch what you say.


"Freedom Of Speech" (1989)

A-yo Ice, man. I'm working on this term paper for college. What's the First Amendment?

[Verse 1]
Freedom of Speech, that's some motherfuckin' bullshit
You say the wrong thing, they'll lock your ass up quick
The FCC says "Profanity - No Airplay"?
They can suck my dick while I take a shit all day
Think I give a fuck about some silly bitch named Gore?
Yo PMRC, here we go, raw
Yo Tip, what's the matter? You ain't gettin' no dick?
You're bitchin' about rock'n'roll, that's censorship, dumb bitch
The Constitution says we all got a right to speak
Say what we want Tip, your argument is weak
Censor records, TV, school books too
And who decides what's right to hear? You?
Hey PMRC, you stupid fuckin' assholes
The sticker on the record is what makes 'em sell gold
Can't you see, you alcoholic idiots
The more you try to suppress us, the larger we get

[Verse 2]
(You have the right to remain silent)
Fuck that right! I want the right to talk
I want the right to speak, I want the right to walk
Where I wanna, yell and I'm gonna
Tell and rebel every time I'm on a
Microphone on the stage cold illin'
The knowledge I drop will be heard by millions
We ain't the problems, we ain't the villains
It's the suckers deprivin' the truth from our children
You can't hide the fact, Jack
There's violence in the streets every day, any fool can recognise that
But you try to lie and lie
And say America's some motherfuckin' apple pie Yo, you gotta be high to believe that
You're gonna change the world by a sticker on a record sleeve
Cos once you take away my right to speak
Everybody in the world's up shit creek

[Verse 3]
Let me tell you about down south
Where a motherfucker might as well not even have a mouth
Columbus, Georgia, said they'd lock me up
If I got on the stage in my show and said "Fuck"
So I thought for a minute and said "No,
I wasn't even gonna do a damned show"
Cos for me to change my words from my rhymes
Is never gonna happen cos there's no sell outs on mine
But I vowed to get those motherfuckers one day
They even arrested Bobby Brown and Cool J
Yo, they got their's comin', cos I'm mad and I'm gunnin'
Homeboys, and there's no runnin'
I'm gonna tell you how I feel about you
No bull, no lies, no slack, just straight fact
Columbus, Georgia, you can suck my dick
You ain't nothin' but a piece of fuckin' shit on the damned map

[Verse 4]
Freedom of Speech, let 'em take it from me
Next they'll take it from you, then what you gonna do?
Let 'em censor books, let 'em censor art
PMRC, this is where the witch hunt starts
You'll censor what we see, we read, we hear, we learn
The books will burn
You better think it out
We should be able to say anything, our lungs were meant to shout
Say what we feel, yell out what's real
Even though it may not bring mass appeal
Your opinion is yours, my opinion is mine
If you don't like what I'm sayin'? Fine
But don't close it, always keep an open mind
A man who fails to listen is blind
We only got one right left in the world today
Let me have it or throw The Constitution away

[Outro (Jello Biafra)]
What they're trying to do with radio, with this, uh, McCarran-Walter
Act and a lot of other ways, is start by saying that they're
protecting the public from wicked rock bands, or girlie magazines, or
whatever. But, if you follow the chain of dominoes that falls down,
what they're really trying to do is shut off our access to information itself.

If they can't do it by law they know there's other ways to do it.
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 09:18 | Link to Comment kill switch
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Freedom of Speech. Yeah... just watch what you say.


Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:05 | Link to Comment steveo77
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Activism --- Do whatever it takes

NRC is forced by a court to accept public comment on how they are handling spent fuel.    It is simple to comment on this.   The direct link to the comment form is right here.   No searching around, no tricky Docket numbers.

Do it today.   Deadline is the 20th Dec.   And drop a comment here and your confirmation number.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:11 | Link to Comment firstdivision
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While we rail against the NSA, how come no one is grabbing pitchforks and torches to head down to the ISP/Telecom's companies that have been collecting and storing the data for the NSA?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:23 | Link to Comment steveo77
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Because they would shut off your Iphone

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:31 | Link to Comment Jethro
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Valid question. And, just like the Nazi concentration camp guard's argument, they are "just doing their job".   It didn't keep the camp guards from swinging from a rope at the end of the day, and the outcome will be no different this time. That is why I keep saying that this will all end in bloodshed.  

Once the path is laid bare, and who collaborated with whom is exposed, the very infrastructure the government set in place to spy on the citizens will be used to track down the people running the show now.  An angry mob will not care, or make the distinction between a bank teller, and CEO, or between and IRS bureaucrat and a political appointee. There is no army, no police force large enough to protect the personnel and infrastructure from a population bent on protecting what remains of their civil liberties, and setting the ship aright once more. All it will take is a spark. Kipling's poem was right, when this giant awakens again, there will be no remorse, no pity and no quarter given.

It was not part of their blood, it came to them very late, with long arrears to make good, when the Saxon began to hate.

They were not easily moved, they were icy – willing to wait til every count should be proved, ere the Saxon began to hate.

Their voices were even and low.  Their eyes were level and straight.  There was neither sign nor show, when the Saxon began to hate.

It was not preached to the crowd.  It was not taught by the state.  No man spoke it aloud when the Saxon began to hate.

It was not suddenly bred.  It will not swiftly abate.  Through the chilled years ahead, when time shall count from the date that the Saxon began to hate."

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 09:47 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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So, ... we are waiting for mob rule to fix things?


Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:01 | Link to Comment Jethro
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The ballot box isn't working, the soap box isn't working either, so that just leaves the ammo box. The last thing in the world I want is for that to happen, but this is the writing on the wall I see. I'm no advocate of violence or overthrowing the government, but the government is taking away civil liberties of a free people by one bureaucratic decree at a time. The process is broken, we won't be allowed the luxury of the 10th amendment and self rule. We will be pushed into a corner, our meager wealth, and eventually our will to work and succeed will be withered away until there is nothing left to lose, then a spark will ignite an inferno. I have kids, I was also an infantryman in a line unit in the USMC. I know the hell that just a few infantrymen can unleash, and I fear for the safety of my kids in such an environment. I fear a dictatorship more.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:11 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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You get both.


First comes the dictatorship, then the revolution.  There will be no revolution without much more oppression.

Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty.


It sucks to be your kids.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:32 | Link to Comment sethstorm
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In a post-Snowden era, however, it’s impossible to read that statement without suppressing a laugh.

The problem is that the NSA is right.   Until we have a mass of Snowdens that uncover for all the despotic countries, the current one is only doing harm to the US by giving other intelligence agencies a chance to catch up.


Thu, 12/19/2013 - 09:00 | Link to Comment negative rates
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Long Heinz.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 09:48 | Link to Comment el Gallinazo
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Did you get your Christmas bonus from AIPAC yet?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:56 | Link to Comment muleskinner
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The most aggressive baboons never mate, all they do is guard against incursions from other baboons outside the tribe. Baboon NSA.

Why so much angst and vitriol towards an agency that acts like a bunch of idiotic baboons?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 16:07 | Link to Comment ToNYC
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"Why so much angst and vitriol..."

Doomed as they are needing to hire schooled bonobos who re-mediate their own poisoned meat to eat.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 09:04 | Link to Comment dontgoforit
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It's too bad.  In principle good men do good deeds for good reasons.  In practice good men do bad deeds for bad reasons.  That's why the Constitution; that's why the 'checks and balances.'  Well, things are out of balance, but that doesn't mean there aren't still good men there doing good deeds for good reasons.  Not all is bad.  Like a youngster with a new toy, they will sometimes do the wrong thing with that toy.  I understand the fear of this, because I sense it too; however, with adjustments this thing (PRISM) can work.  In any event, you can't put the Genie back in the bottle.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 09:07 | Link to Comment Jethro
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We were safer (and more free) without the NSA.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 09:17 | Link to Comment kill switch
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The NSA guy is a product of neocon ideology,,,,Samuel P. Huntington and Strauss, so that’s to be expected, maniacs. However to have the good professor state the following:

One official accused some media outlets of “intentionally misleading the American people,” which is a pretty serious accusation


I don't believe that this NSA guy was off base on that statement, the media does intentionally mislead the public, we all know that...nothing serious about that accusation.. It's all one big clusterfuck. I think he's referring to the left right media montra bullshit.


Thu, 12/19/2013 - 09:18 | Link to Comment redwater
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No asylum, amnesty or immunity for those in the NSA.


Thu, 12/19/2013 - 09:59 | Link to Comment cheetahbaby
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Without a robust 2nd Amendment, no other Amendments are possible.....

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:06 | Link to Comment d edwards
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The Big Brother gov't has created a monster here that it cannot control. As stated in previous articles at ZH the monster can turn on it's so-called master, tool

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:32 | Link to Comment El
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The courts have already ruled that news agencies have a First Amendment right to lie. If they started telling the truth, the government would REALLY be in trouble.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:35 | Link to Comment deerhunter
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Long live Duck Dynasty and the power of the Vagina,

We don't just hunt ducks in the lands of Carolina,

In the swamps where there's still men who love to hunt duck

And the sounds the waders make when pulling from the muck

Is the only thing they mean  when they say the word suck.


Long live Phil Roberson

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:37 | Link to Comment tvdog
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"U.S. Cyber Command." There you go. The United States is officially at war, and the enemy is the Internet. Fortunately, Amerika's Cyber Commandos stand (or sit, with a basket of nachos) in the breach.

Well, at least now we know why the founding fathers were so dead set against a standing army. It turns out that an army doesn't like just standing around. They want to go fight wars. If there aren't any wars, or not enough to keep the Commandos busy, well, they will just start some.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:58 | Link to Comment Kulafarmer
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I have some reforms for these tyrannical pricks in government,
It involves 3 million armed patriots and a lot of hemp neckties,
The NSA and all the other alphabet soup agencies can go fuck themselves and take their idiot politicians with them!

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:04 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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He is right about the media misleading the public especially the MSM state media. They do it all the time by framing news to fit a certain agenda. They leave out key facts, mininize certain ones they can't ignore, create false dichotomies, go out of their way to not criticially approach news by answering the who, what, where, when, why and how behind something. They only which ever of those questions are convenient for the propaganda they are pushing at that particular moment and time.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:13 | Link to Comment esum
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Fire the clown in the costume and impose strict congressional and court supervision AND ENFORCE THE LAW....... these muthafukers can t be trusted. Again NO ACCOUNTABILITY AND NO PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND NO ONE GOES TO JAIL... we live with a LAWLESS GOVERNMENT... LETS PLAY BY THE CONSTITUTIOIN... it got us pretty far... Libs and lawlessness have sucked the vibrancy and life out of the system... capital is mobile but people aren't... CHANGE IT BACK...

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:33 | Link to Comment optimator
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"Knowledge is Power"

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:10 | Link to Comment ToNYC
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if they hold the U.S. Constitution and civil rights in such disdain; what exactly are they protecting us from?

Protecting us from Freedom of Speech.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:34 | Link to Comment Dustin de Wynde
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Any sort of Resistance Movement in our United States to our Coprporate State Règime simply does not exist.

It is a complete and utter joke.

Especially the dip shit morons and retards of Anonymous who are the most ridiculous political entity in this country of ours today.

Those idiots and creeps know just enough to be dangerous, especially to themselves.

Revolutionaries they are not, not by any stretch the imagination.

Two months after the Berlin Wall came down the general population, (to include my relatives on my mothers side of the family), of the former East Germany stormed and raided the Stasi headquarters and dismantle the fucker by hand, brick by brick.

I covered an anti-NSA rally here in Washington in late October and barely 3,000 people showed up on our National Mall.

In order for anything at all to happen or change that number needs to be at least 300,000 if not 3 million.

Here is my interview with the NSA whistleblower Thomas Drake where we talk about this dismal state of affairs:

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:36 | Link to Comment honestann
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The NSA guy is correct.

The media does intentionally mislead the public!!!

Of course, it misleads the public in exactly the opposite way the NSA jerk implies.  Almost everyone in the mainstream media justifies every atrocity the predators-that-be practice, which most definitely misleads the public.

What a bunch of morons.

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