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JPM's Quiet Scramble To Refill Its Gold Vault

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As we repoted consistently, at times on a daily basis, one of the more memorable stories of the summer of 2013, was the rampant and furious depletion of gold (both eligible and - mostly - registered) stored deep in the gold vault of JPMorgan located under 1 Chase Manhattan Plaza, since sold to a Chinese conglomerate (understandable considering China's insatiable appetite for the yellow metal in physical, not paper form). This culminated with some truly impressive multi-way vault rearrangements in which the other 4 Comex members would provide gold to JPM on an almost daily basis (see here and here). But while Chinese demand may explain the outflow of physical, what is head-scratching is the just as furious scramble by JPM to obtain gold in the past few weeks.

As persistent trackers of the CME's daily depository statistics update are well aware, over the past week, JPM has been accumulating an impressive amount of gold, and what is more curious, it has been precisely in increments of 64,300 ounces of eligible gold on a daily basis. Putting this scramble in context, two months ago JPM had only 181K ounces of eliglble gold. And yet, just today, the Comex announced that JPM's eliglble vault gold rose by almost that amount, increasing by 125K to a reputable 1.2 million eligible ounces.

JPM's total eligible holdings, and especially the recent surge, are shown below:

It bears pointing out that while eligible gold has been surging higher, JPM's registered gold has once again contracted, and as of today, it closed at its lowest ever: just 87K ounces of gold!

So with gold plunging to multi-year lows, is JPM just taking advantage of the "blood on the streets" and becoming the helpful bidder of last (or first) resort and replenishing its record low depleted inventory by taking advantage of below production cost fire sales, or... is something else going on here?

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

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Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:06 | 4261965 FieldingMellish
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Building up inventory for the next plunge down.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:09 | 4261977 Xibalba
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panic sell to me

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:33 | 4262047 DoChenRollingBearing
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Does JPMorgue really have the gold?

DoChenRollingBearing has his.*

 

*But, you cannot come see mine either!

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:44 | 4262062 nope-1004
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I don't care what JPM does.  BRICS are buying hand over fist, so NOPE is following the BRICS.  And, of course, just out of coincidence JPM is adding to their physical stash at a time when it's "the worst time to buy"... lol.

They are buying (stealing it from the GLD).  You should be too.

Or do y'all honestly believe the big corrupt banks are going to lose?

 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:45 | 4262079 JohnnyBriefcase
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I just can't believe that they would manipulate the gold price lower so that they could buy it cheap. They wouldn't do that. What if they got caught? The penalties would be serious I'm sure.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:00 | 4262113 Big Corked Boots
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Well, based on the government's track record on enforcement, bankers jailed, and restitution made to injured parties, the penalties would be... nonexistent.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:09 | 4262130 cro_maat
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I think you missed Johnny's dripping sarcasm. I know there wasn't a /sarc tag but it was pretty slobbery!

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:17 | 4262146 dryam
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The Fed is buying gold via JPM.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:49 | 4262380 Stuart
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64,300???  real physical gold is never that precise not to be without at least 2-3 decimals....I call BS on those...  It would totally fit though that even this reporting is total and utter fraudulent crap...

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 21:52 | 4262523 Payable on Death
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Not sure, but I'd guess there's rounding. 64.3K

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 00:36 | 4262916 SafelyGraze
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.. and we would buy even more of the junk, if only we could source it

-jimmie diman

 

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 06:55 | 4263253 GetZeeGold
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Paging Gordon Brown........your contract with you know who.......has just come due.

 

Don't keep him waiting......you know how cranky he gets.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 03:59 | 4263143 mick_richfield
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They round to the thousandth of an ounce.

A transfer of precisely 2 tonnes is not possible.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 22:44 | 4262635 lasvegaspersona
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a ton is 32,150 troy ounces so were talking 2 tons exact.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 00:38 | 4262920 Central Wanker
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No. That means that the bars are one kilo bars whose weight is reported a bit differently.  Those bars are primarily meant for the chinese markets, but for some reason, some of them are now showing up at the JPM vault.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 01:10 | 4262975 KickIce
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For some reason tungsten keeps coming to mind.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 02:05 | 4263032 Crash Overide
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JPM is the accounting department of the FED and DOJ is the legal department, all the same scumbags, all the same fraud...

 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 22:20 | 4262582 BringOnTheAsteroid
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when you say "governments track record" I assume you mean JP Morgans and Goldmans track record.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:26 | 4262307 Papasmurf
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What if they got caught? The penalties would be serious I'm sure

LOL.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:24 | 4262308 Papasmurf
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What if they got caught? The penalties would be serious I'm sure

LOL.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:29 | 4262317 El Hosel
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"They" get caught.... LOL

Untouchable career criminals don't get in trouble, they make the rules for the "regular people".

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:36 | 4262335 nwowatcher911
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30+ ups ? 31+ paid trolls..... trolololololololol!!!!!!!

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 21:55 | 4262526 heron
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Indeed.  Blythe said that would be wrong and they don't do it.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 10:03 | 4263500 drdolittle
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At least like five figures

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:48 | 4262082 kliguy38
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correct.......

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:51 | 4262088 cro_maat
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My bullion dealer in NYC (Chinese BTW) is routinely sold out of physical gold by lunch time each day. I stop by most days at lunch. I have been told that JPM private clients are coming in and buying physical at the suggestion of JPM brokers. Now why would the JPM Private Client Group recommend to their best clients to buy physical from a Chinese coin and bullion dealer when JPM can put them in their vaults as eligible or registered? Somethings fishy in Denmark.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:00 | 4262114 DoChenRollingBearing
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Hmm, indeed...

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:07 | 4262119 cro_maat
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Last Friday a JPM client bought 55 American Eagles with a bag of cash ($70k). It took them most of the afternoon to count. Today when I went by at lunch not only had all of their stocks in the back been sold but even the display cases fronting on Wall Street were empty. I keep ordering my piddly amounts of silver and the price slamdown continues but I know that one day soon I will walk in to place an order and will be told that there is none to be had.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:39 | 4262199 Au_Ag_CuPbCu
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The problem I have trying to buy silver eagles on these dips at my local coin store is that the price never really drops, the premiums just go up.  Frustrating!

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:57 | 4262242 cro_maat
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Your dealer doesn't have a good source then. I deal through a large Chinese dealer that recently set up shop in the U.S. The refiners all want access to the insatiable demand in the East and so are giving them very good terms here in the U.S. in order to get access to China. I routinely buy good quantities for myself and friends and as a regular customer have been given a preferential premium over Ask.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:44 | 4262360 BigJim
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Beware! Is there a dumpster out back full of broken incandescents?

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 11:27 | 4263765 ParkAveFlasher
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Yo cro_maat, buddy, ol' pal, what's the place called?  Might have to make a visit...

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 21:22 | 4262459 Boston
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Skip the local coin store. Buy online----lots of inventory and far lower premiums.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 22:55 | 4262667 DirkDiggler11
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Boston:
When I drop in my LCS to purchase ASE's, I hand over fiat FRN's that are worth less each day, and they hand me shiny coins that actually retain value and have never been worthless. You know, I normally just walk out of the store, no receipt or anything, just like the transaction never took place ....

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 22:58 | 4262675 Papasmurf
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Skip the local coin store. Buy online----lots of inventory and far lower premiums.

There's no risk there, is there?

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 11:02 | 4263703 Sonic the porcupine
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Do they ship for free?

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 13:05 | 4264139 Jeepers Creepers
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Fortunately, i finally found a good local dealer, but if it wasn't for him, I'd probably buy more online as well.

I know some areas, it's almost like a cartel where they charge unrealistic premiums or have no inventory.  What I hear some people paying is absurd.

I understand the appeal of an all cash transaction, but at the same time, I think you're better off taking your chances online if it means more stacking.  Most of the reputable places have the same views we do when it comes to privacy.  And if there ever was some sort of stormtrooper "gold roundup" there's always boating accidents.  Or you could just say you sold it all to one of those out of business "Cash for Gold" places.

 

I just wouldn't let myself get shut out by shady, local coin dealers

 

 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 23:15 | 4262739 LapseOfReason
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End of the year the mint stops production, keeps premiums high. Jan/feb they should go down. A registered dealer gets them for Two dollars over spot. I think they have to buy 25k ounces though.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:28 | 4262311 juggalo1
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It took them most of the afternoon to count 700 dollar bills, or 70 coins?  Why would it take so long?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:43 | 4262364 BigJim
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They paid the $70k using dimes, obviously.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:53 | 4262394 El Oregonian
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Dime bags of what might I ask? LOL

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 07:26 | 4263260 new game
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exactly-lol, had to count over and over as dimes and eight balls were gone-but we sure had a good time-hehe; oh the good ole days- blow all nighter pussy and sun rise to a bottoms up fucking i don't give a shit - oh yea - rock on as rock will never die in my head...

thanks neil and mick...

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 22:02 | 4262542 Tim_
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:05 | 4262115 Arius
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if thats true then gold has no role to play in the next monetary system .... i doubt it though to be true. 

the last ones to know the truth are the clients, and the JPM account managers right before them by multiseconds...

 

or do you really believe on what they teach in school about clients, their money etc.... and how JPM managers are the best .... that is the books my friend...

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:26 | 4262168 Four chan
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then a chink the armor may be shown, you cant hft your way into physical,

that takes direct and slow purchases with the worthless stuff.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:52 | 4262232 cro_maat
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I believe that JPM cares not one whit about their clients except where they can fleece them. All I am reporting is what my dealer (who has never lied to me before) has conveyed to me and what I what I have seen with my own eyes (empty showcases because their back vault was emptyed and the customers didn't want to wait until the next delivery and so took all of the display case gold). Maybe these clients have gold stored at JPM, have demanded delivery and JPM has cash settled them so that they have to walk down the street to buy in their physical. I don't know the back story but what broker / FA would tell their client to buy physical gold outside of JPM when they could sell them GLD or a Comex futures contract or a vault contract? Unless...

You can write this off if you like and consider me naive but I have been working in finance for 25 years and have not seen such strange occurances. Since you value gold so little you should sell it to the many stackers on this site. The more I see of this manipulated madness the more physical insurance I want to load up on.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:45 | 4262372 BigJim
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Every time I look around and wonder if I was a fool to load up on PMs over the last 5 years, I ask myself - what should you buy now instead?

And wind up buying more...

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 21:17 | 4262453 Spitzer
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You got fooled into buying the most marketable good on earth. /sarc

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 21:34 | 4262490 Four chan
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amen big jim.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 23:26 | 4262773 chindit13
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JPM Private Wealth's real "best clients" do not buy at retail coin shops.  $70K is chump change.  If you've "been working in finance for 25 years", then you know that.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 05:18 | 4263199 just-my-opinion
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No....70K is pocket change and they got drunk at a bar down the street and made a bet with another whale

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:33 | 4262181 JerseyJoe
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JPM orchestrated the collapse so they could basically defraud the world out of their gold.  

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:29 | 4262323 juggalo1
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???  It's supply and demand.  If paper gold was such a poor reflection of the physical market it certainly has proven accurate thus far, and now you whiners are whining about JPM buying physical.  A commodity bank is selling high then buying low.  Does that sound like fraud to you?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:47 | 4262373 James_Cole
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Look juggalo1, you're ruinin' the fun. We gon buy all der silver and crash jp morgue, den we all gon be billionaires and live in deh mansions and people gon come and worship us!

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:52 | 4262384 BigJim
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Isn't there a spider in your dorm that needs eating?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 22:26 | 4262601 Odin
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James, you're speaking kind of funny. Try pulling that wall street cock out of your mouth and try again.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 22:46 | 4262646 buyingsterling
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boring

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 10:08 | 4263510 Agstacker
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James Cole gets shot at the end of the movie.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:51 | 4262382 BigJim
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 If paper gold was such a poor reflection of the physical market it certainly has proven accurate thus far

Er, what? I see your clothes are red... are they made out of herrings?

The price of spot is determined by the fuures markets.

If the futures' markets' price of gold represented the real supply/demand balance for physical, then you'd expect all the futures warehouses and bullion banks' deposits to be roughly static. But - at least until recently - we're seeing gold draining out.

But, perhaps you're as dumb as you look. Carry on.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:54 | 4262391 James_Cole
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If the futures' markets' price of gold represented the real supply/demand balance for physical, then you'd expect all the futures warehouses and bullion banks' deposits to be roughly static.

*head explodes

Seriously, you guys gotta research this shit better. 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 21:17 | 4262452 BigJim
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And you're going to have to do more than just make condescending but totally unsubstantiated or reasoned-out remarks if you're ever going to be taken seriously around here.

So I guess you're just never going to be taken seriously around here, James.

Now go eat your spider.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 21:22 | 4262460 Spitzer
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Jeff Cristian of the CME group said it himself Jim, you fucking fool. 100 to 1.

 

100 ounces of paper flating around for every 1 real once.

 

Gold does not get consumed so it cannot be on a commodities market because there can be infinate cash speculation

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 00:04 | 4262864 James_Cole
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Jeff Cristian of the CME group said it himself Jim, you fucking fool.

Be nicer to BigJim - he's awfully sensitive.

Gold does not get consumed so it cannot be on a commodities market because there can be infinate cash speculation

Yep, no holes in this theory. 

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 14:06 | 4264476 BigJim
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LOL, Spitzer's comment went right over your head, didn't it?

Quelle fucking suprise.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 23:07 | 4262695 quasimodo
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Please tell me you don't actually think that there is no fraud with JPM. Your really that ignorant to think that all they do is buy low and sell high? Jamie, is that you? Even Bloomberg had an op ed the other day about the shit that goes on.

 

ps,  mommy left the milk and cookies on the counter.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 23:57 | 4262846 FreedomGuy
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I wonder exactly where they are getting this much gold this quickly with no visible effects on price? Is it real gold, paper gold, future delivery gold? Presuming all current gold is spoken for you cannot simplyl come up with a million ounces overnight in new gold. If you buy existing gold I would expect prices to rise unless there is a huge counterforce dumping gold. Who knows the real story?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:34 | 4262048 DoChenRollingBearing
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Duplicate, sorry

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:40 | 4262065 Squid-puppets a...
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dont be sorry, ur comment bears repeating

 

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 09:35 | 4263422 Lewshine
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Isn't it amazing that everything from antique cars, art, jewlery, and high end real estate are currently through the roof in value and demand. The 1% can't buy enough and are bidding these "hard assets"way up....Just NOT the asset that has history on its side - GOLD! go figure...

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:10 | 4261984 Charles Nelson ...
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yes!!!! fucking brilliant post dude.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:20 | 4262009 ForWhomTheTollBuilds
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Well, when you can capture the whole truth in one line, why not go for it?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:22 | 4262026 fonzannoon
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This was well timed red meat for starving lions.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:24 | 4262028 synergize
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This guy tracks COMEX gold on a weekly basis and is a must-read for those following the COMEX default...

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1898731-weekly-comex-gold-inventories-jpmorgan-registered-gold-inventories-hit-new-lows

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:05 | 4261968 Stackers
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Sell high, manipulate lower, buy with both hands, rinse and repeat

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:08 | 4261973 OnceandForever
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Not likely...the metal is not useful for anything save for jewelry...since 1980 peak of $800, gold has underperformed long term U.S. T-bonds.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:12 | 4261982 unwashedmass
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Useless, yes, except for every other government in the world, other than our own, values it highly......

and now the the USD is not the only game in town.....

something one might want to have on hand for when the dollar implodes. 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:15 | 4261999 notadouche
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Try stealing US gold.  That would determine how highly/lowly the US values it's gold.  I don't think they are in the mood to let anyone walk in to Ft Knox or the underground Manhattan vault and let anyone take what they want like it was confetti.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:52 | 4262093 JohnnyBriefcase
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Lol. Fort Knox.

This is why you put an obvious liftable safe filled with junk in your bedroom or office labeled "valuables" or "gold" and hide the real stuff in a more unexpected location.

Fort Knox.

Right...

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:17 | 4262007 giggler321
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just say, bitcoin...

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:45 | 4262080 Squid-puppets a...
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glad you mentioned it

if every one of those dickheads who bought bitcoin sold now and bought physical, we would crack comex and kill the beast

then they'll have enough spare wealth to buy whatever digital currency becomes the facebook to bitcoin's myspace

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:54 | 4262390 BigJim
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If 'every one of those dickheads who bought bitcoin sold now', surely the price would go to zero before they'd all cashed out?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:10 | 4261983 Spitzer
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Central banks must like their jewelry.

 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:33 | 4262054 HoofHearted
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Somebody cue the Indian guy in the gold shirt. 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:44 | 4262073 Indian_Goldsmith
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Yes, and i have a messaage for JPM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWouI-vVfi8

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:13 | 4261993 angel_of_joy
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Bollocks !

Its perfect as Insurance & Wealth Preservation.

Only in its physical form though...

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:16 | 4262003 eXMachina
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Did you forget the sarc/ tag or are you just plain retarded?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:56 | 4262105 supermaxedout
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Gold hits its golden age as a high-tech material

https://www.llnl.gov/news/aroundthelab/2012/Aug/ATL-082212_gold.html

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:11 | 4261978 Spitzer
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FOFOA believes that falling paper gold means its ready to blow more so then rising paper gold.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:37 | 4262059 DoChenRollingBearing
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That is true.  But, is THIS the paper price decline or another one to come?  We wait, like watching and waiting on a pot of water to boil...

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:11 | 4261979 Pooper Popper
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Does anyone else wonder what Drawn ,stabbed,smashed ,runover,and drug behind a Rendering truck,used for a urinal cake Baked banker would Taste like????

Im thinking the rendering truck and urinal cake would get some of the bad taste out of your mouth,,,,But!

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:11 | 4261980 walküre
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Exploration < 0

New mine projects = 0

Current mining ops < 100%

Time is on my side.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:11 | 4261985 Spitzer
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Bond bubble- still intact

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:13 | 4261991 FieldingMellish
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Above ground gold supply = 100X annual mine supply.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:36 | 4262051 superflex
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Trollolololol

Time for a juice box and animal crackers kiddo?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:37 | 4262057 Quinvarius
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They mine 17 million tons of copper every year.  It is all above ground still.  Are you saying copper should be free?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:46 | 4262083 nope-1004
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lmao. +1

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:05 | 4262254 FieldingMellish
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Not all of it. Much of the copper has been used in chemicals which can never be recovered. The rest is being put to productive use, unlike gold.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:32 | 4262331 greatbeard
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>> unlike gold.

I can turn gold into pussy.  Try that with copper.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:50 | 4262377 Al Huxley
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And yet so many pinheads say there's no use for it!

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 22:06 | 4262549 SolarSystem1932
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"And yet so many pinheads say there's no use for it!"

That's because they have pinheads.

hahahahahaha

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 06:28 | 4263231 samcontrol
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I have turned pussy into gold a couple of times.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 06:44 | 4263241 Svendblaaskaeg
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"I can turn gold into pussy. Try that with copper"

save in gold, convert to 70'er pussy, shave, convert to gold, repeat, - winning!

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:57 | 4262404 BigJim
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 Not all of it. Much of the copper has been used in chemicals which can never be recovered. The rest is being put to productive use, unlike gold.

Troll he might be, but he's fundamentally correct. Every other 'commodity' is just that - it gets used up. Even silver, though obviously the stock:flow ratio of silver is probably higher than anything else (apart from gold).

What Tr. Mellish fails to understand is that i) its almost perfect 'moneyness', and ii) its very uselessness for everything else, mean that gold has value as money.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:21 | 4261987 NoDebt
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I think Sufiy should get a little tip-of-the-hat on this subject, too.  He posted up some interesting articles earlier today in another thread.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:15 | 4262001 RiverRoad
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Silly Rabbit:  They took it down in order to buy it, as usual.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:18 | 4262011 Sudden Debt
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2,7 tons of gold.... so where does Hong Kong get's it gold from?

not from the comex, that's pretty much clear now. So most probably directly from the miners.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:10 | 4262090 nope-1004
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Story released last week (Koos Jansen) about a Swiss refiner who, in his 37 years, has not seen the physical gold market this tight.  He said that the gold they are having come in to be recast is 400 oz bars .995 purity, recast into 1 KG bars .999 for Asia and the ME.  Said it is coming "from the back corners of bank vaults, because much of it is stamped dated from the 1960's and .995 purity".

JPM is stealing the Comex / GLD gold.

 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:53 | 4262387 Al Huxley
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Stealing's such strong language.  Look at it this way, if there's an excess supply of paper gold, such that it exceeds demand, then the price for paper gold drops.  Well, since GLD is basically paper gold, people naturally sell it, which then leaves the participant banks holding the gold that nominally backed the shares.  What are they going to do with it?  Might as well sell it to the Asians at a premium, right?  So it's all above board, just happens to work out pretty good for the bullion banks, and pretty shitty for everyone else in the west in the long run.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:56 | 4262403 Papasmurf
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Story released last week (Koos Jansen) about a Swiss refiner who, in his 37 years, has not seen the physical gold market this tight.  He said that the gold they are having come in to be recast is 400 oz bars .995 purity, recast into 1 KG bars .999 for Asia and the ME.  Said it is coming "from the back corners of bank vaults, because much of it is stamped dated from the 1960's and .995 purity".

JPM is stealing the Comex / GLD gold.

This is inconsistent with the price action.  Where is the proof.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 10:45 | 4263626 Mesquite
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nope:

Just a way to (quietly) weed out the Tungsten...

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:19 | 4262014 Sufiy
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Bloomberg: London Gold Vaults Are Virtually Empty

Bloomberg quite suddenly provides some really interesting information about the state of the gold market and ongoing manipulations around it these days. Could the reports about JPMorgan being Net Long Gold now be correct in the end?

http://sufiy.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/bloomberg-london-gold-vaults-are.html

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 21:02 | 4262414 BigJim
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Maybe they've been reading King World News? I've been dropping in on them occasionally for the last 5 years, and they have consistently said supplies had virtually run out, and the gold market was sputtering along on fumes.

FIVE YEARS! So they must be right by now, surely?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:22 | 4262015 kill switch
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Spot price is shit,  all paper, just keep this in mind...5000 years and 600 fiat currencies shit the bed and we didn't even get through the letter B GOLD/SILVER IS MONEY not currency know the difference.... KEEP STACKING WITH THIS VERY LOVLY GIFT FROM THE MORONS THAT THINK THEY ARE IN CONTROL....

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:23 | 4262021 Carpenter1
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I stopped believing anything reported by the likes of JPM, the US govt., anybody associated with the real estate industry, any politician, banker, or Keynesian economist has to say, long ago.

Though we think we're onto these criminals, we still accept at face value their claims. Why? They've proven themselves to be compulsive liars.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:34 | 4262052 fonzannoon
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stop making sense.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:31 | 4262049 supermaxedout
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Gold hits its golden age as a high-tech material

https://www.llnl.gov/news/aroundthelab/2012/Aug/ATL-082212_gold.html

 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:36 | 4262056 q99x2
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Ancient Chinese Proverb: Wise man buy gold when he cannot buy Bitcoin.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:46 | 4262067 DoChenRollingBearing
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Last night China was back in business buying BTC!  It is early AM (before dawn) there now, they are buying, but it is subdued (which is typical of US afternoons).

 

http://btccast.com/

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:57 | 4262107 Martel
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Bitcoin is dead in China. They won't be "back in business", as there is currently no way for them to fund their accounts. There is some buying going on, but it is done by those who sold before the collapse, and have renmimbis on their accounts.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:24 | 4262123 DoChenRollingBearing
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As I am no expert on BTC nor (especially) China, your explanation makes sense.  The movements I see at btccast.com might just reflect exactly what you are saying.  Last night there was a LOT of BTC/Yuan traded at the Chinese exchanges, but I cannot comment well on what exactly I was looking at.

 

Follow up edit:

At some 40 minutes of btccast scrolling by, I note that the USA accounted for approx. 1456 BTC traded via exchanges vs. some 775 BTC traded at Chinese exchanges.  The ratio of US BTC / Chinese BTC traded has been typical of what I have seen in the past during US weekday late afternoons.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:47 | 4262216 stacking12321
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this is like saying, pot is illegal in the us, so there's no way for americans to obtain pot.

where there's a will, there's a way.

 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:56 | 4262397 eXMachina
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Bitcoin is alive and will continue kicking on. The Chinese government stated that citizens cannot fund their crypto accounts with Renminbi. They didn't say anything about USD or any other currency for that matter. ie. speculate with someone else's currency if you wish to do so.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:43 | 4262068 GNandGL
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Looks like JPM has a large physical delivery to make on Dec. 31 (just like the last slamdown below $1200 led up to June 30).

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:44 | 4262069 CHX
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After a run from ~250 to 1900 in ~11 years, the physical market was close to break, so *some entity/etities* papershorted the crap out of the market, in well organized drive-by shooting style, and as frustrated weak hands / late-comers dropped dead or threw in the towels, the strong PAPER shorts broke the goldbugs euphoric sentiment. We've been cascading down for over a year now, and are now in the accumulation zone for physical. Previous shorts are covering (with much fiat gains) and pass them to the new shorts and momentum chasers (the late bears, and future bag holders). The physical metal is your/our insurence to what's in the cards, it's real money with no counterparty risk. Rejoice the pull back, it will not last. Do as the Chinese, the Russians, the Indians (that's ~ a thrid of the human population on the plant) and JPM do. The bull is not dead. We are witnessing a PAPER BEAR and a run on the metal, a physical bull in 2013 and beyond. If things continue like that, the divergence between the two will eventually break the current market place (LBMA/COMEX) due to some sort of default, kill the miners, and then the shortages in physical metal cannot be hidden anymore, and it's game over. We're getting close to free gold. Good luck to all.  

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:54 | 4262101 Arius
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i am not sure how successful they were in breaking the "weak hands" ... what does that mean anyway?  the people, banks, institutions countries who wanted to buy it, they were not going to buy it because it was at 1900 ... there are other reasons.

if they want to sell this as a victory so be it ... who cares.  the players who have sold actual gold know pretty well this is not a victory.  they have sold the same amount, my guess would be even more than what would have been in the years when gold was 1400, 1500, 1600, 1700 or 1800.

thats how you calculate if this was a victory on "weak hands"  how much gold they sold per year?  my guess would be much higher ... good luck with the "weak hand" theory.  that is for people like Jamie to justify their mistakes .... if they had left gold around 1700-1800 the amount of gold sold would have been lower, but we would never know that would we?  so, let jamie at al claim victory over the "weak hands"  .... yeah right ... how much gold did they collect from the weak hands??? nada

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:01 | 4262109 giggler321
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2/3 of the world's people won't exist when things go pop so who's left to care about gold?  and they've been mining it for years so anyone with it dug into the ground for safe keeping will find some future miner has dug it up.

 

traditionally december is top for the yellow metal but ofcourse it's different this time right?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:39 | 4262196 AllThatGlitters
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Do you even know what you typed?  You sarcastically stated:

"traditionally december is top for the yellow metal but ofcourse it's different this time right?"

The implication being that it is NOT different this time.  

Well, if December is to be "the top" as you imply, and given that gold is now at a low for the year, then it looks like we have a moonshot ahead of us in the next couple of weeks.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:57 | 4262399 Al Huxley
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Short miners, buy physical and hide it - I like it, good plan.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 04:53 | 4263179 CHX
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Bcs of what's to come for gold, good miners (i.e. the ones that will not go bankrupt, that have good reserves in ground, low/no debt and mostly financed their projects, i.e. won't have to further sell/dilute their stock) are probably the most undervalued companies out there right now. When gold turns, it will be violent, and the miners will explode, and you'll wish you'd had bought some. If you don't own any, do your research, nibble a bit, and average down, should they go still lower. I think most of the gold decline is already price in here. Some are down >90% from their tops in 2011, projects are being halted/suspended/put on ice etc.. Ultimately/eventually, the gold price will be reset, in all fiat currencies, sometimes in the next few months to years, either by edict (IMF/TPTB), some other violent market or black swan event. A reset scenario would likely happen over a weekend, or else be so quick and violent that whoever is "out", won't be able to get back "in" (go try chasing them algos !) , but that's just IMHO. 

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 06:36 | 4263233 samcontrol
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al, do you back up what you say? are you actually shorting miners for 2014.

They are sure to double. i like it good plan. Fixed it for ya.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:50 | 4262092 fijisailor
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Keep bringing the price on down baby.  I'll keep buying until the LCS won't sell.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:54 | 4262104 TooBearish
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The jpmorgue killed it. o i miss the bear cartoons telling us that the morgue is going down because of its massive short silver position.  with silver down over 50% from its highz and gold down 30% one can only conclude there is no beating these guys. yeah I get that physical premiums r at their widest but it cannot be ognored that jamie and his crimnal syndicate r #winning. I'm with the stackers not so much about the price just the amount you can collect.  howeve blythe and her hinchmen have made so major fiat for the morgue distroying the paper markets...and that's all I gots to saaay about thaat

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:55 | 4262106 chump666
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They know a crisis is about to hit.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:04 | 4262117 FranSix
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They must be behind the 'volatility smile.' (light grey curves)  It would explain a great deal.  Anyone shorting here is probably just rolling the dice, whereas long bets are less likely to be wrong:

http://scharts.co/18tFEEK

 

 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:11 | 4262136 WTFUD
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Get me 'beaks' on the trombone.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:15 | 4262141 Archetype
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Who the fuck cares about gold? All the gold in the world would barely pay the Cyprus deficit. Get it? NOT. WORTH. ANYTHING.

 

Everything is a scam. Pay for stuff you actually need. Simple as that.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:19 | 4262150 Seeking Beta
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True Story

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 22:19 | 4262575 jimmytorpedo
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My two car garage is full of toilet paper and a 1984 Mercedes 300d

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 06:36 | 4263235 samcontrol
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i stash toilet paper also mixed with 30 year old. scotch.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:16 | 4262147 semperfi
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its headed to Germany

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:18 | 4262152 NoWayJose
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There are two things you always have to be careful of when you see numbers like this.  First, as in another post - do you believe the numbers, and Second - no matter what JPM has in physical gold, their leveraged paper gold position is likely to be many multiples higher.

I used to think that a trader for JPM (or other big bank) would simply place their leveraged bets on one position.  It is far more believable today to think that JPM has both leveraged short term bearish position in paper gold (hence the desire to see the price drop in the next few months), and they also have longer term bullish positions in paper gold.  Depending on how those bullish positions are set up, JPM may want physical gold so that they don't have to cancel out every buy/sell pair of paper contracts.

 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:20 | 4262153 Archetype
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Who needs gold? Tell me please!

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:49 | 4262218 A. Magnus
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Ask the Chinese, Indians, Turkish and Russians, fuckmook...

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 19:55 | 4262236 Archetype
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Its fucking pennys for them they might aswell buy it. AGIAN who cares in the end? Why is gold such a sensitive subject? Why not oil, lumber, gasoline, food, whatever?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:22 | 4262295 cro_maat
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All of those commodities are PERISHABLE. Gold that was dug up 5,000 years ago is still sitting in the same gold buddha at a temple in the East. It doesn't rust, corrode or deteriate. It is a store of value. Hell you can even flaunt it as jewelry. And before you say oil is a store of value then why don't the Chinese, Indians, Russians, etc. all have oil storage tanks out back for their wealth accumulation?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 21:56 | 4262531 Archetype
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"And before you say oil is a store of value then why don't the Chinese, Indians, Russians, etc. all have oil storage tanks out back for their wealth accumulation?"

 

They DO have!

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:32 | 4262329 WTFUD
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Nope fuckwit, those are not leveraged 1000/1.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 21:08 | 4262433 BigJim
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 AGIAN who cares in the end? Why is gold such a sensitive subject?

Here! Let me give you some clues:

1913. 97%. 1971. $4Trillion. IRS. Endless fuckin' wars. Oil priced in USD. 62.8% participation rate.

Go research those number, Biffy, and come back when there's a glean of understanding in your eye.

 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 21:39 | 4262498 Archetype
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Get your point. But it seems to be a Buffet-kinda bet to me. I hate Buffet and I probably wont live as long as him. And I do belive deflation is coming, no one left to borrow money = no inflation.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 22:18 | 4262569 BigJim
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No one left to borrow = deflation = currency collapse = gold remonetized/widespread asset confiscation/hyperinflation/fuck knows but I'd rather have a portion of my assets held in lien in a vault out of the banking system in another country. And gold is a very good way of doing this.

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