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Israeli Generals Preparing For "Short, Sharp" War Against Hezbollah
While a military campaign against Syria (and Iran) on the usual grounds has been postponed indefinitely, two nations in the Middle East have been seething: Saudi Arabia and, of course, Israel. Yet while Saudi Arabia rarely if ever gets its own hands dirty, instead executing its geopolitcal strategy through puppet states in need of its oil, Israel has never had a problem with engaging in offensive wars. And now that the threat of an imminent war, one which would have been largely carried out on the back of the US military, is gone Israel is preparing to do just that.
According to UPI, "Israeli generals are preparing for a decisive -- and probably brief -- war against Hezbollah, one of Israel's most implacable foes, with plans to smash the Iranian-backed Lebanese movement's military power, a study says. The Israelis' primary objective will be to eradicate Hezbollah's reputedly massive arsenal of missiles and rockets "for years to come," the report by the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies in Tel Aviv said."
In other words, Syrian script, rinse repeat - spook with stories of massive weapon arsenals, propose a permanent resolution that involves invading - "briefly" although it never really works out that way - and then leak a few false flag videos "proving" just how evil the nation that is about to be invaded is.
Full story from UPI
Israel gets ready for 'short, sharp war' against Hezbollah
Israeli military intelligence estimates Hezbollah has 80,000 missiles and rockets of all calibers, ranging from ballistic missiles with warheads packing 700 pounds of high explosives, to short-range rockets, many of them aimed at cities including Tel Aviv. Some estimates go as high as 100,000.
The weapons that give Israelis nightmares are the long-range missiles with which Hezbollah can pound the Jewish state's population centers and strategic installations without let-up for at least a month.
Israel's military, which failed to crush Hezbollah in a 34-day war in 2006, "has prepared for a combined air and large-scale ground operation, driven by new intelligence and precision-firepower capabilities, to deliver a knockout blow and eliminate Hezbollah as a fighting force for years to come," observed the report's author, Yaakov Lappin, the Jerusalem Post's military analyst.
Knocking out Hezbollah's missile storage bunkers and launch sites will be the air force's main mission, as it was in 2006, when Hezbollah only had about 20,000 missiles, 4,000 of which hit northern Israel.
Lappin said Israel will use "unprecedented capabilities" and a combat fleet that could destroy hundreds of targets a day.
In the last year, Israelis have been bombarded with government warnings to brace themselves for weeks of unprecedented missile bombardment if war comes -- although the media have sought to reassure the public the armed forces will protect them with new weapons, tactics and all manner of electronic wizardry.
A key protection system will be the much-vaunted, four-tier missile defense shield known as Homa, The Wall in Hebrew. This includes the long-range Arrow 3 system, designed to destroy Iranian ballistic missiles outside Earth's atmosphere, down to the Iron Dome, which has by official count shot down 84.6 percent of the short-range Palestinian rockets it has engaged in the last two years.
Even so, whatever the dimensions and capabilities of the generals' plan, another report poured cold water on Israeli expectations of survival in the next war, which will -- for the first time since the state was founded in 1948, a half dozen wars ago -- target the home front.
Nathan Faber of the Faculty of Aerospace Engineering at the Technion, Israel's Institute of Technology, warned in an article on the website of the Magen Laoref, or Homefront Shield, foundation, that the Homa could crumble due to technological, operational and financial reasons in a multifront war with Hezbollah, Iran and others.
Faber, formerly chief scientist in the military's missile division, said at least one-third of all missiles fired at Israel will in all probability get through.
He calculates Israel could be threatened by 800 Iranian Shehab-3b and more advanced Sejjil-2 ballistic missiles, and 400 Soviet-era Scud ballistic missiles held by Syria, some of which may be used in its 33-month-old civil war.
There will also be 500-1,000 medium-range tactical missiles -- like Iran's Fajr or Fateh weapons, which Hezbollah already has -- and more than 100,000 short-range rockets held by Syria, Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas group in Gaza.
Faber reckons about one-third of the missiles fired at Israel will be intercepted by the air force, another third will malfunction and one third will get through defensive screens, including about 400 of the 1,200 ballistic systems.
Regarding tactical missiles, Faber noted that "since these are very precise missiles the great majority of them will hit their target" after evading the anti-missile defenses.
He calculates Iron Dome -- which he assesses has a kill rate of only 66 percent -- will have to deal with 30,000 rockets.
The cost will be awesome -- and possibly prohibitive.
By Faber's tally, Iron Dome operations will cost $6 billion, countering 400 ballistic missiles another $3 billion, while mid-range interceptions will total as much as $2 billion.
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but it's good for the economy, creates jobs
Go on IDF, make my day. I just can't wait to watch the latest batch of kibbutz trash have their heads handed to them by most anyone who can actually shoot back...
The Hezbies are gonna kill a whole bunch of you scumbags. It will have been richly earned.
I actually felt surpise and then pride when Hezbollah defended their home and land from Israeli attempted conquest. When a man fights for his home, he is motivated. That they smashed up over 40 Israeli main battle tanks was just icing on the cake. Not to mention the Ultra secret super fighters of the special Israeli commando unit that was ambushed and cut to pieces by Hezbollah infantry fighting iside their own village to protect it from the all conquering IDF. As one IDF commando said months later in an interview "We walked into the ambush from hell. My men lie dying in the street and we couldn't move to help them. Only after dark and with air cover were we able to get out with heavy losses." Music to my ears!
Well, with Jews firmly planted in the Federal Reserve and, essentially, all seats of financial power, it seems impossible to think that anything could be cost prohibitive.
"Israel's military, which failed to crush Hezbollah in a 34-day war in 2006" - Failed to crush, are you shitting us, more like "Suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of a superior defending Hezbollah force"
That's so funny, 'cause I just punched "Failed to crush" into my handy dandy pocket MSM (aka Yiddish) translator. In the actual Human speak, guess what, it translates as "Israel suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of a superior defending Hezbollah force"
I take it you and I have the same model.
Oddly enough I don't, nice coincidence, the universe has spoken :)
They hyped how great their tanks are and Hezboolah made short work of them. Israel was pretty shocked by that.
world wars always start that way "it'll be a slam dunk, yada yada yada"
The Alamo was a slam dunk
it's interesting to see the anti-semitic scumbags come out in force on these anti-semitic pages....the israelis are just as guilty as the arabs for the violence, and sometimes even more so.....however, the common denominators in all of these wars are the cia and mossad - terrorist organizations of the highest order....
will the israelis use us supplied nuclear weapons as they did in 2006??
It's beyond my comprehension that any military would prepare for a "short" war.
It's beyond my comprehension that any military would prepare for a "short" war.
the goal is to provoke a nuclear attack by Israel, then Iran will jump in with their nukes, Iran has to have many nukes by now, of all the folks in the middle East other than the Jews they are the most educated
The Israeli govt are just idiots, they have bitten-off way more than they can chew.
Israel puts gun to Hezbollah's head.
So Hezbollah, Syria, Gaza put a gun to Israel's head.
Iran puts a gun to the head of all the GCC oil states and closes the gulf to all shipping.
India, China immediately put a gun to Washington's head and tell them to call their dog off, or the US fleets, ports and foreign bases all get nuked.
Washington puts a gun to Israel's head and says forget it.
Russia does the same.
Europe does the same.
Meanwhile the world teeters on the precipice of WWIII going intercontinental, if anyone blinks.
At this point everyone on earth is approximately thinking wouldn't the whole world be a lot safer and far more peaceful, if Israel just didn't exist anymore? Why should any of us put up with the Israelis constantly creating an environment of international Mexican-standoffs? Why don't we just eliminate these shit-stirring bastards?
So Israel is just going to get smashed if this idiocy continues. The old recipes of air-war and propaganda offensives, with no real consequences, are past their use-by-dates, and the trend is not going to get better from here. No one wants the Israelis, and no one needs them, and it's only a matter of time until they go too far.
nah Obummer will tell everybody to register their guns and of course everybody will comply and then he will order all the ammo being made 4 the next year. and of course this will solve everything...............................
Do you feel lucky, Punk?....
Moar anti semites in here than the UN general assembly. Want proof? wait for the down arrows.
Whaddaya mean, ZH'ers love Arabs and Persians! Semites are awright, it's just the Identity Thieves we can't tolerate.
I was thinking about converting to Shamanism, getting my associates to do the same, then move to the Black Hills of South Dakota, hook up with my "co-religious" native american "brethren", slaughter 90% of them, and claim victimhood for the next 70 years (and counting).
Semite? That's a good one. My cat has more Semitic DNA than Golda Meir (aka Goldy Meyerson) and the rest of the tribe.
Minor clarification, Persians (Iranians) aren't Semites. Persian (Farsi) is an Indo-European language not Semitic like Arabic or Hebrew and Iran actually means "Land of the Aryans".
Yep its weird to hear. I dont get it. Attitude to Israel seems to be orthogonal to religion, intelligence, politics (except for hard left), everything else. It's like a mystical parameter all its own.
Just look back in time, you will eventually figure it out. Hard left is AIPAC.
"It used to be that an antisemite was someone who didn't like jews. Now an antisemite is someone that jews don't like."
This forum is officially dead. Enjoy yourselves.
Militarily, I have not studied up on Hezbollha's postion. Though I studied their 2006 war against Israel in some detail. The victory was gained by the defeat in open battle of two Israeli Armoured Columns by infantry, wielding Russian made modern RPGs and a small number of Russian built anti tank missiles. The victory was sealed when Israeli's ultra elite commandos were ambused and held down for nearly a day. Using nightfall the super ultra elite combat leaders withdrew. Now, argue all you want, but these three victories are known in all military circles and they are what got Israel to back down.
What has Hezbollah learned from 2006. I know this much. Newer and far more deadly anti tank missiles have been purchased, and a major effort to acquire small anti aircraft battle field missiles. To kill Israels major advantage of mobility and fire power, the Helicopter.
Hezbollah is a small combat organization, if Israel throws the major part of the IDF against them, then the IDF will win by sheer weight of numbers. Of this much I am sure. Will there be a second front or crisis to hold down part of the IDF elsewhere?
Israel sees it's chance during the Olympics to launch it's attack. To push Hezbollah out, seize the water resources, advance the border northward. Once in place, America will back the transfer of Southern Lebanon to greater Israel. Only an armed Hezbollha stands in the way.
Personally, I wish Hezbollah's tank killing teams the best of luck again, and with luck they will have some capable Helicopter killer missiles deployed with their light infantry commando units. Hezbollha fights in small units, they can either hunker down in specially hiden postions and ambush, or go mobile from one carefully hidden combat postion to another. In 2006, using cluster bombs, Israel failed to gain major kill rates. Israel lied of course, but agents of Mossad inside Lebanon carefully tracked the situation and could confirm on small number of KIA. I for one, would not care to be driving the lead tank for greater Israel, you are toast I think.
Nice post Jack. It's a latter-day replay of the Minutemen vs. the Rothschild Coats!
I know who my silver is on...
It won't be just Hezbollah Jack:
Nasrallah calls for elimination of Israel - August 2, 2013
(i.e. this was issued ~19 days before the false-flag chemical incident in Damascus)
https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/lebanonnews/nasrallah-calls-for-elimination-...
Hezbollah, Iran and Syria prepare for counterattack - September 07, 2013
(i.e. two weeks after the false-flag attack in Damascus they had decided to act in concert against any further aggression from Israel or from US/NATO/GCC)
Hezbollah made it very clear two weeks after the false flag chemical attacks that formal Joint-Operations coordination will occur in the event of any Israeli or western attack.
Remember the Israeli missile and bomb attack on Gaza that occurred between Christmas 2007, and Obama's inauguration in late Jan 2008? (yeah, almost no one remembers it, dancing with the stars was on - "Operation Cast Lead").
Israel kicked that one off over the Christmas New-Year period in between US Presidencies, to reduce the chance of any effective political interventions (any at all, in fact) to hinder or stop the attacks, while everyone in the West was distracted doin' 'stuff'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War
What did the heavy Russian fleet units do?
Your study of the 2006 conflict is essentially correct. There is no reason, however, that this time will go much differently. Hezbollah anti-tank teams are crack and better armed than the 2006 groups. Hezbollah´s morale is high after the ass-wipping they handed the IDF in 2006, and frankly, many IDF units are green or a little intimidated by Hezbollah. Also Hezbollah has more night-vision equipment now, nullifying some of the IDFs advantages in 2006.
Excellent point. Gen-2 tactical night vision chips and low-light FLIRS have all proliferated widely since 2006, even within the civil sphere. Cheap night vision with usable resolution is everywhere now. And you can bet the multispectral vision gear coming from non-western sources is as good as what most western special-forces have access to.
Dismounted infantry would be chewed over by high-res low-light sniper scopes and once pinned by accurate fire mortars and missiles will do the rest. And helicopters can't really provide effective cover once inside Lebanon, as the guided anti-tank rounds can also target the helicopters. So I'd predict IDF forces would suffer many more losses if they go in on the ground or via helicopter.
This time around Hezbollah would also probably seed much of northern Israel, and the main routes into Lebanon with large numbers of rocket deployed bomblets. If the marshaling and staging points are hit and mobile columns also have to slow down or stop, due to such bomblets, they aren't going to survive more than a couple of minutes, as the trophy anti-missile point-defense system would be quickly defeated. At best the Trophy system gives a vehicle maybe 10 to 30 seconds to retreat into solid cover from direct-fire. And even then they will still be pinned-down and probably wiped out.
If the Israeli morale is not up for a very bloody ground fight and high loses they will not perform well. And given how badly plans went in 2006 I bet they don't trust their senior commanders any more, today. Is the average Israeli grunt ready for a version of D-Day in south Lebanon? I doubt it, but I'm sure the Lebanese are ready for that fight, and will hold that area.
The question is, what internal dissension would the Israelis be planning to exploit, to divide Lebanon in the event of an Israeli ground attack.
Interestingly it was a Lebanese army soldier, not a Hezbollah fighter, who killed that Israeli soldier a few days back on the border. The Lebanese military knows they have to integrate with Hezbollah, that's just obvious and necessary. And they also know the US may not remain a patron much longer, so they are not going to let Israel just invade Lebanon this time and leave all the fighting to Hezbollah. They know that the last time they left all the fighting to Hezbollah the Lebanese army lost its credibility and Hezbollah gained it. So they won't stay out of it next time. The Lebanese army and Hezbollah would fight together as an allied force against Israel, this time, and that's how they'll finally begin to properly integrate as a larger national force.
And with that integration inevitably comes political changes in Beirut. Change the US and Israel and Sunnis will not like. But one that Russia can improve its position via. As will Iran, as will Damascus, as will Gaza, as will the West Bank.
More Muslims killed with American made weapons. Again. Gee I wonder why they hate us and want to kill us, forcing us to lose more privacy rights and endure an ever growing police state of NSA, TSA, and DHS goons.
All so that little Israel can feel safe about killing who ever they want when ever they want with weapons made by us and paid for by us.
Great deal, eh? Do you feel like you are getting what you paid for America? Well you are. Every time you are asked to remove your shoes.
A short sharp war eh? Well that is the thing about violence, once it is started, the one who started it does not always get to choose when it ends or where it stops. Who was it that said "no plan of battle survives first contact with the enemy"?
But I wonder if what they really want is to get Hezbollah out of Syria so that their Saudi-backed Al-Quaeda asoaciates can regain the initiative in Syria, or even force an Iranian response which will draw the US into Syria and Iran?
I feel compelled to provide these scriptures to the folks on this thread knowing full well the abuse I will receive.
Matthew 25: 31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
Genesis 12:1 The Lord had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.
2 “I will make you into a great nation,
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.[a]
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.
Suggest reading the Matthew part until the end of Chapter 25. The Word is clear, there is no claim of ignorance. The best part is everyone gets to make their own choice. But choose wisely my friend
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So let me see if I have this straight,some God supposedly made me(a fuck up at that) and now I'm suppose to pray for forgiveness because he made me a fuckup in the first place
Don't over think it, just confess your fuckups to some Sherry-addled old sod in a box and pay 10% before tax to his plate. A few Hallelujahs later and yer good to go ... think of it like life insurance, you're gonna feel a whole lot better when yer dead ... trust us.
So their lord wrote them a blank check to go shit on whoever they like? And the best part is you can complain about it, but if you don't chose wisely (shut your mouth and don't complain) then you will be damned. Right? That's kind of a non-choice choice in my book. You can turn a blind eye to what these people do, because of your obscurantist idea that the white settlers in Israel (Europeans) are not really a bunch of white people in a colony, but are actually god's chosen people. Just don't expect sane people to believe you. I wouldn't abuse you, I just feel sorry for you.
2 “I will make you into a great nation,
Then why can't they support themselves without billions in U.S., U.K., and European foreign aid?
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
Greatness is the last thing the world thinks when it hears the name of Israel.
and you will be a blessing.[a]
Since it's inception in 1948, Israel has been a curse in the middle east and upon the planet.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
Mmm yeah. We've been blessing Israel since Truman and what has been our blessing since then? Massive debt, degeneracy, terrorism, loss of rights, and constant wars for Israel.
Sorry, but the reality has been more like 'I will curse those who bless thee.'.
Yahweh was a rather nasty bottom feeder dude in the Elohim hierarchy and got sloppy thirds as to which human tribe to build a covenant with. He did deliver in battle for David, but that was almost 3k years ago. Old, expired contract.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc01No3LV70
This is how the Vatican's Hebrew translator sees it. Of course he got canned. Much of the Old Testament is quite accurate history but the translation and interpretation is intentionally screwed up, starting with a plural noun translated as a single God.
The belief in the possibility of a short decisive war appears to be one of the most ancient and dangerous of human illusions
- ROBERT LYND
An apparent problem with "war gaming" is that those doing it do not seem to be able to comprehend the degree of psychotic, criminal insanity their computer models are attempting to map. The basic problem seems to me that when your weapons are being targeted, then the imperative is to "use them before you lose them." No more measured "tit for tat" ... Instead, maximum tat possible after the first tit ??? So far there have never been any "real wars" since the end of World War II. There have been lots of police actions, and localized criminal gang actions, but nothing close to an all-out "use it or lose it" deployment of weapons, until those weapons were exhausted. The background problem since the end of World War II is that the weapons have become trillions of times bigger than the human beings that have accumulated those weapons. The point is that using weapons until they were exhausted would become orders of magnitude more than the people they were being used against.
The Middle East is the home of the extremely psychotic Neolithic Civilization, whose "leaders" appear to be the most atavistic, insane people. My basic view is that after the weapons have become trillions of times more powerful, all of the criminally insane "leaders" have become psychotic because they are deliberately ignorant. Rather, they have psychological and social habits selected by history, which have, so far, simply cruised on inertia, without being corrected by reality. The problem is that any correction of insane psychological and social habits surrounding thousands of years of the history of warfare is a correction which requires sufficient demonstration of the FACT that the weapons are trillions of times more powerful and capable than ever before in human history. For thousands of years, it was possible to win wars. Now, the only possible real outcome is that everyone loses. That is the paradox of "real war" after the weapons become trillions of times too powerful for the people to survive those weapons being deployed until they are exhausted. In the short-term, lies backed by violence keeps on "winning," and so, still is able to dominate and direct civilization, while the final failure from that kind of "success" has yet to be fully manifested.
In my opinion, history has selected for pretty well all of the world's "leaders" to become as criminally insane as possible, while that same historical process has selected for those they "lead" to have matching sets of insane attitudes. The Middle East "leaders" are the most extremely insane of those kinds of "leaders." Tragically, I see nothing that can be done to stop this trajectory, since there is no sane way to effectively "fight" against this kind of insanity. Meanwhile, the war gaming appears to be done within fundamentally fraudulent terms of reference. Since the development of weapons of mass destruction, the only way to win was to not fight. However, thousands of years of history has selected for society to be dominated by various kinds of the most criminally insane people, whose habits are not able to comprehend or accept that. Therefore, my view is that we are doomed to see utterly insane and irrational wars, which everyone will lose ... while there is nothing that can stop that from playing through.
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Market forces are the bane of today's modern armies - smaller development costs and higher profit margins make possible a wide-range of lethal anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles...
The real threat is not some aging rocket fleet. The real threat is Hezbollah´s close combat capabilities, which Israel´s effeminate military could not overcome a few years ago. I see no reason why this time should be different. The IDF is not what it was 40 years ago. The same sorts of political correctness that plague the U.S. military, plague the IDF. In close combat operations, the IDF just is not up to snuff... Supposed intelligence breakthroughs are not going to help the IDF assault fortified underground bunkers, where Hezbollah will lie in wait, nullifying the IDFs artillery, armor, and air superiority advantages. I lay my money on Hezbollah fighting the IDF to a standstill again.. the missile shield is irrelevant.
No matter if ur a Joo lover or hater - would you like to continue to have cheap gas? Then this sounds like a good plan.
I'm floored by the level of hatred for Israel and Jews here. Looking back over history, would you say they deserved everything they got? Cause thats what it sounds like.
Looking back over history... I wasn't there and neither were you. So the real question is, what is the correct thing to do today? I'd say it was not to steal any more land from the Palestinians. I know that as a nation Israel is incapable of that, so all they have is a disgusting abuse of history to justify crimes being commited today. WWII is old news. I tell you something else fuckface, millions of non-jews died too.
Right, and while they making up in the Middle East, the might go ahead and stop running our banking, political and cultural agenda here in the States and Europe, where everything is a fucking grand lie everyday you wake up out of bed. They might also stop placing themselves at the head of the Fed Bank. Heck, this is starter list, it might take awhile.
The Tribe has suffered a mere fraction of the harm and inujusice they have inflicted. They wine and complain, but their story of why so many people hate then is similar to George Bush's idiocy that they hate us because we are free. That being said, most Jews and israelis are no worse or better than others - it's the zionists and Banksters and degenerate Wall Street and Hollywood crowd that give them a bad rap.
When you finally figure out what they got was delivered by their own, you might get it.
Decisive?
"Short" might be the case depending on the Israeli stomach for personnel losses/casualties...but some expectation of a "decisive" victory will surely lead to disappointment. There is no opportunity for decisive change in this conflict without there first being political compromise and mutually agreed on goals and endpoints.
Attacking a bunch of guys who are dug in and want to fight you and have been preparing for 7 years since they last kicked your ass. Sounds like a short sharp war alright :-)
Most states and populations innately know that you don't bomb the neighbors, steal their home, butcher the children in front of the parents and rape grandma, occupy them, and call for and actually expect 'peace' from a prisoner-state population. And to their credit I should add that the Israelis did eventually get the message with regard to Egypt's border. However, they still struggle with the concept that a border means you have no rights beyond it. This still has not sunk in as yet. So the only way for these poor Israeli wankers to learn that simple lesson is for the Lebanese to get together and bleed their sorry asses until they finally understand that what's on the other side of the border is not actually Israeli territory. A border means you stay on your own fucking side and stop stealing shit from everyone and mind your own business. Oh, and you stop mass-murdering the people there - that helps quite a lot. I suspect they're not going to comprehend the situation and what borders represent, until a million or three Israelis are wiped out. Problem is, even then you just get another 80 to 100 years of self-absorbed whinging circumcised pricks with their hand-out trying to make everyone feel guilty for why they're greedy self-absorbed jerks. So you can't really win, even if you do win, as they'll always get you back with the bullshit offensives. lol
Modern Israel formed and funded and dominated by the Zionist Rothschild led bankster cartel = the world's most hateful, warmongering nation ever, whether by proxy (usually) or its own American tax funded military, occasionally, as it bullies and blackmails CONgress.
They've never won a war on their own, but they are expert at guilt tripping everyone else into paying for their abject failure to make peace with their neighbors.
Jews For Peace in the USA declare: AIPAC does not represent us.
Some things never change:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines
http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/sea.htm
Who wants neighbours like that?