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What's Next For The US Prison System?

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It's no secret the US is facing a dilemma when it comes to its prison system. With the largest prison population and incarceration rate in the World, the US is facing severe overcrowding and more spending on prisons than education. What does the future hold for the US prison system?


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Fri, 12/20/2013 - 22:56 | 4265999 howenlink
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How come I don't see Possession in that top pie chart?

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:25 | 4266045 666
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How come I don't see any banksters in prison?

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:56 | 4266086 Anusocracy
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What percentage are those who were plea-bargained into prison?

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 00:43 | 4266131 Peter Pan
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All Americans are prisoners in one way or another and to one extent or another. Your savings earn nothing, your education debt will be with you forever unless you pay it off or die, one quarter of the population makes less than $10 an hour, you can vote only Democrat or Republican, your national debt can never be repaid, the NSA tracks you and your movements as if you are terrorist,

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 00:59 | 4266148 Jlasoon
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And your personal debt is 120%... Now where is that Visa card.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 01:12 | 4266159 hidingfromhelis
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The return of debtors' prison...which side of the walls you're on is irrelevant.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 01:38 | 4266173 john39
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the matrix is a prison for your mind.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 01:57 | 4266186 DaveyJones
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From the trenches, property crime data is innacurate mainly because they are no longer investigating many types due to budget cuts. Law enforcement is literally announcing this to victims and often telling them to seek "civil" remedies.  

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 02:15 | 4266199 DoChenRollingBearing
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Troll Alert


A Zero Hedge member named Satoshi401 not only denegrates many ZH members with spiteful rhetoric but is also a fraud and/or troll.

Satoshi401 (clip from his comment 4265746 in the "Chinese Want Gold Not Dollars" thread, currently on Page 2) wrote, emphasis mine:

"I can't eat popcorn anymore, its bad for the teeth, but I have one for one, for 10's of thousands of years here in china we have been making 'popcorn' much like what you have in the west, but ours comes from fresh grown corn, kernals dried in the sun, and then roasted on a real natural fire,"

DoChenRollingBearing responds (comment 4266155, right under his, so he cannot change it):

Wrong, amigo.  Corn (Maize) came from MEXICO.  The Spanish were the first Westerners to encounter it around 1500 AD.

You know, real history and all that: 


Of course, you could also have learned that in FIFTH GRADE Social Studies.

/end DCRB response 4266155


Satoshi401 was called out on not providing evidence for his facts a couple of days ago (or so), and ZH member seek called a fraud, even worse than a troll.

Arrogance is one thing.  But Satoshi401 is either (perhaps both):

a) a liar or

b) too stupid and/or lazy to check his facts.

His "kernal" word above would be correctly spelled "kernel".  His "its" would be correctly spelled "it's".  "china" is correctly spelled (in English) "China".

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 04:20 | 4266258 BlackChicken
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DCRB, we have much worse here than that one...

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 07:04 | 4266325 negative rates
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That's good, cause public edcucation in this country has been a joke for close to 80 years now and only getting worse. Always wrong but never in doubt.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 09:28 | 4266407 GetZeeGold
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....and more spending on prisons than education they teach marxism there too?

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 13:01 | 4266685 markmotive
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Find the missing trillions and they could pay for 10 prison systems.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 13:31 | 4266740 SmackDaddy
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it's not a prison.  it's a zoo

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 13:30 | 4266743 SmackDaddy
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I bet we can sell trips to the Chinese and let them observe 'em in their natural habitat lifting weights and playing basketball.  Maybe for the high rollers we can even let 'em hunt a few

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 08:17 | 4266360 overmedicatedun...
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It's not a crime unless you do time..J corzine author.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 09:23 | 4266403 Sean7k
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Do Chen, Really? When did you become the troll police? People not supplying facts? Say it isn't so! Good god man, don't you have bearings to grease?

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 12:50 | 4266665 DoChenRollingBearing
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Hi Sean7k,

No I am not the troll police at all.  I got fed-up with his BS and decided that it was time to call him out.  I can see that you have a sense of humor (good of course: "People not supplying facts? Say it isn't so!"), LOL...


But, now that you mention it, I do have bearing work to do.  Greasing, packing, moving them around the warehouse, selling them, collecting the money...  *Sigh*

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 13:42 | 4266759 Sean7k
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Hi Do Chen, just seemed out of character from you...

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 14:28 | 4266849 DoChenRollingBearing
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Well, sometimes I just lose it...  Hmm.  Do I see a "Tenth Step Moment" coming on...?

Hey, I'm just as human as the next bearing.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 19:02 | 4267163 Miffed Microbio...
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No worries DCRB. Everyone loses it from time to time. I'm close to a blow up soon too. With a constantly complaining mother-in-law living with me for 3 weeks, meals I promised to prepare while working full time with only Christmas off and a whole legion of bacteria infecting every human petri dish, I'm a bit frazzled myself. I'd probably throttle the next troll myself if he appeared corporeally.


Sat, 12/21/2013 - 09:43 | 4266412 Tall Tom
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In the "IMF Disagrees with Zero Hedge" article Satoshi401 wrote, "Most of my bud's  such as myself are ex-NSA, they're in the know, and they know if that once you don't have a phone ( mobile tracking device ), then your invisble. Internet use is optional, but preferred not, I stay amused by visiting forums such as these."


I have posted this numerous times throughout the past week.


There is no such thing as "ex-NSA".


At least some Trolls are more open about it.


Consider the source. Get some his expense.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 12:55 | 4266674 DoChenRollingBearing
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Good advice!  I should not let Satoshi401 live in my own mind "rent free".  Yes, maybe amusement would be better than getting all worked up about his crap.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 13:16 | 4266720 SmackDaddy
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shut the fuck up you whiny bitch ass fagoot

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 14:43 | 4266838 DoChenRollingBearing
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Let me know sometime what a "fagoot" is.  Ad hominems are so much easier to understand when I know what you are talking about.

Can't change it now, LOL!


Just for fun, I will take a page out of Exponere Mendaces' book and analyze your sentence:

1) Did not capitalize the "s" in first word of a sentence (minus one)

2) No period at the end of your sentence (minus one)

3) Impressive three uses of profanity in one short sentence (minus one, or perhaps plus one)

4) Unknown word "fagoot", you did not define an obscure word (minus one)

Quite a post, even for Fight Club.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 17:02 | 4267048 11b40
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Shouldn't bitch ass have a hyphen?  As in bitch-ass.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 23:41 | 4267664 misitu
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Shill Syndrome, Same Old, Same Old.

We had this in the early weeks of the post March 2011 "not really" nuclear "type" explosions at Fukushima Dai-ichi 1 and 3.

The industry apologists were out in force. One even disguised itself as "my dad works in nuclear power but I am trying to find out blah blah blah".

The issue was that whatever ($? anyone) motivated these brain gridlocked tapeworms to "add to the debate" clearly that "whatever" included a sense of urgency so desperate as to unhinge all the customary inhibitions against showing oneself off as incapable of simple grammar, spelling, logic, or construction of a coherent argument.

I for one used this to snip off the Diverters in their prime. Smell test if you like.

Coherence is a good litmus test for sincerity, and incoherence for paid apologism.

I worry a little that your analytical technique might have gone over his, what in normal folks is termed, head.


Sun, 12/22/2013 - 22:27 | 4269745 TheReplacement
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Not saying his facts are correct, not at all.  However, there is a theory that the Chinese got the N.A. first.  In theory, they could have been making popcorn before whitey.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 05:44 | 4266289 Offthebeach
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One side you are told 24/7 what to do, work for nothing, and have crappy healthcare. The other side you are in prison.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 06:58 | 4266309 zhandax
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It has appeared in the past that most of the incarcerations have been the result of half-ass drug charges.  This chart does not reflect that; this chart makes violent crime appear a much larger portion of the total.  I suspect this chart is skewed to reflect some point which is lost on me....

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 10:58 | 4266495 mrdenis
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Targets got it .......

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 02:42 | 4266213 ugmug
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When you live in a crime infested area of a city you have no sympathy for any of the scum in prison or those heading for prison especially all the drug users. The carnage these assholes leave behind as a result of their self indulgent lifestyle is the same as a corrupt banker or politician.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 03:13 | 4266231 Zero Point
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Are you high?

A pothead is morally equivilent to the Bernank? You must be trolling.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 13:29 | 4266735 SmackDaddy
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ive been to jail a few times.  i dont recall meeting any people who didnt deserve to be there.  moar death penalty

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 10:22 | 4268281 Umh
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The guy who breaks down your door is of course a more immediate threat than a banker. He may cost you less over then long haul, but you have to clean and repair your home immediately.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 22:29 | 4269749 TheReplacement
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How much does 45 ACP cost you?  Seriously, a mag will set you back what, $7-8 or so.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 04:24 | 4266260 BlackChicken
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I've never heard of a user/seller financing thermo-nuclear weapons.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 06:38 | 4266310 Zero Point
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Banksters get high off power. Worse in immeasurable ways.

Apples and oranges.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 06:40 | 4266314 dark pools of soros
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he's only worried about his lawn

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 09:24 | 4266406 ugmug
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I live in a drug infested neighborhood and if you think watching a bunch of pot - crack - heroin addicts all walking around with smirks on their faces waiting to turn you into their prey is 'cute' then you're an asshole as well. Lock the bastards up and throw away the cruise ship incarceration that they enjoy in those 'terrible' prisons.


Sat, 12/21/2013 - 09:50 | 4266427 g speed
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It may be more cost effective to put the few remaining "pure" people in a place (behind high pink walls) to protect them from the "infestations".   24/7 hour guards with approved full auto 9MM whatevers with the hollow points recently purchased by the dept of HS ---just saying---

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 09:54 | 4266432 g speed
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Of course there will be the ubiquitus "legal prescription drugs" as a sop for the rightous at every corner "drug " store---just saying--

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 10:07 | 4266444 Zero Point
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Fuck me. Your smug junkies must be pretty fucking terrible to compare in any degree to the fucks that stole western civilisation.

If I was you, I'd fuckin move.

Mind you, no matter if you move to fucking Mongolia, the dead hand of the cartel will still affect you, I bet your junkie friends can't boast that.


Sat, 12/21/2013 - 23:03 | 4267592 dark pools of soros
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what do you expect from a crumbling empire??  Viva Globalization!!!  We shall all live like rats!!  Remember, unions are bad, best to have no jobs and $3 shit sweaters at Wal-Mart!!!  


but hey, the CEOs and shareholders are happy.. I guess you ain't one of them since you live in a rat's nest right??  But you probably support them pissing on you while you smile



Sat, 12/21/2013 - 07:08 | 4266328 negative rates
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Corrupt bankers and politicians are drugs users so double your trouble. The answer is to give everyone a reasonable alternative and jail the opposers such as you would most likely become. Looking out from within you would see things differently and not have such a harsh reaction to a simple problem.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 07:56 | 4266352 rwe2late
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Perhaps you do not see any connection between Prohibition I (alcohol) and the rise of criminal gangs and "criminality".

At least then you would be consistent in disregarding any connection between Prohibition II (drugs) and the rise of criminal gangs and "criminality".

Were one to investigate the history of the "drug war", one would realize it began as a war on Chinese, Mexican, and Black minorities (part of Jim Crow apartheid). It was expanded by Nixon to suppress protests and the counterculture movement. The rise of the intrusive police state came hand in hand with the so-called 'drug war'. One would have to take a second look at Phoenix in Vietnam, the occupation of Afghanistan, drug lord allies in Colombia and Kosovo, the multi-billion dollar money laundering business, the prison industry.

One would also have to disregard any connections between outsourcing, job loss, the decline of urban areas, the typical legalized reduction of employability and of political rights such as voting by drug "criminals", and the neglect of domestic infrastructure development to instead fund wars, militarism, and bankster corruption.

Of course one would also have to turn a blind eye to any connection between the artificial high price of 'illegal' drugs and the crimes (typically petty) to get money to purchase them.

And lastly, of course, one must be in agreement that the state is justified to legislate 'morality' in such areas as drugs and prostitution.

Those who instead think that the situation today is not one caused by drug use might reject the notion that more (gang-networking crime school) prisons and more policing will improve the situation.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 09:33 | 4266409 Sean7k
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Nice revisionist history. When are you going to introduce the zionists, intelligence services and the governments themselves. Where is the Boxer rebellion and opium wars? Alcohol and Native Americans? The use of drugs for social, political and econmic control is pretty well documented.

Why are governments justified to legislate morality? These are victimless crimes. Take your heavy handed tyranny and stuff it. 

The situation today is caused by State tyranny for the benefit of the banker, corporate, Zionist class. To blame drugs is naive and dangerous.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 12:26 | 4266618 Calmyourself
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Maybe direct some of that anger at the record opium crop in Afghanistan WTF???  Whocouldanode?

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 19:26 | 4267199 Tim_
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The US government deals drugs. It uses the so-called "War on Drugs" to artificially inflate its profits.

The US government invaded Afghanistan in October 2001. The planting season began in November.

The US government restored the world's opium supply.

"On July 28, 2000, Taliban leader Mullah Omar issued a ban on the cultivation and trafficking of opium and repeated this ban in October, ordering the Taliban to plow up fields planted to poppy" (Source).

"Pakistan's Foreign Secretary Inam-ul Haq's claim to have eliminated all opium plantations in Taliban controlled territories — reported by Agence France-Presse — seems to have been confirmed by a U.N. survey" (March 1, 2001).

"U.N. drug control officers said the Taliban religious militia has virtually wiped out opium production in Afghanistan - once the world's largest producer - since banning poppy cultivation in July" (February 16, 2001).

"A 12-member team from the U.N. Drug Control Program spent two weeks searching most of the nation's largest opium-producing areas and found so few poppies that they do not expect any opium to come out of Afghanistan this year. 'We are not just guessing. We have seen the proof in the fields,' said Bernard Frahi, regional director for the U.N. program in Afghanistan and Pakistan" (February 16, 2001).

"Last year, 75 percent of the world's opium crop was grown in Afghanistan... . But something astonishing has become evident with this spring's harvest. Behind the narrow dikes of packed earth, the fields are empty of their most profitable plant. Poor farmers, scythes in hand, stoop among brown stems. Mile after mile, there is only a dry stubble of wheat to cut from the lumpy soil" (May 24, 2001).

"Last July, the ruling Taliban banned the growing of poppies as a sin against the teachings of Islam. Almost every farmer complied, some grudgingly, some not. 'Even if it means my children die, I will obey my amir,' said Nur Ali, sitting in his fields, sipping tea" (May 24, 2001).

"But American narcotics officials who visited the country confirmed earlier United Nations reports that the Taliban had, in one growing season, managed a rare triumph in the long and losing war on drugs" (May 24, 2001).

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:26 | 4267837 mjk0259
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Really - potheads? What was the carnage - an empty potato chip package?

Pot's getting decriminalized all over with no increase in crime.


Fri, 12/20/2013 - 22:58 | 4266000 VD
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just incarcerate fast dwindling middle classes as they drop down to lower classes thx to Fed and its member banks and the captured 'gov' and 'markets'.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:00 | 4266005 stock trout
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Middle class is already incarcerated just most too stupid to know it. 

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:02 | 4266008 VD
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cant argue that too much, but least they not all behind literal bars, yet...


rip f_s and dickheadz

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:07 | 4266016 DaddyO
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Free Francis_Sawyer


Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:06 | 4266017 VD
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hey dont forget ur name, 2x DO!

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 11:13 | 4266504 dick cheneys ghost
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“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”
Sat, 12/21/2013 - 19:05 | 4267168 Tim_
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Joseph Stalin's Reply to an Inquiry of the Jewish News Agency in the United States

"In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system."

"Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty."

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:31 | 4266055 Normalcy Bias
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I kinda miss that abrasive prick, too (He went off on me once). His opinions seemed extreme at times, but he did have a very good batting average.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 00:03 | 4266093 Wen_Dat
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I'm not positive, but one time I was surfin the threads, and got caught staring at his avatar. It was like I could see his soul and he could see mine.

p.s. Does that make me gay?

p.p.s. Just watched Pacific Rim with the kids. Can't believe it received a positive rating.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 00:32 | 4266104 Yenbot
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Wen: never say "rim" and "does that make me gay" in the same post.

Imagine reading the Stasi statistics from 1974. All prisoners all evil all the time (trust me Comrade, we don't make up these stuff)...

And that word: dissecting (ugh, disturbing and conceivably happening: need a kidney?)

Final observation: everyone reading this in the US has a 1 in 200 chance of winning a chicken dinner in the joint, and a 1 in 42,000,000 chance of winning the Lottery.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 02:09 | 4266196 KickIce
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Pacific Rim = Power Rangers on steroids.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 06:45 | 4266316 dark pools of soros
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does anything get a negative rating??   there's is always some shill critic per studio just like stocks and 'financial experts'


Sat, 12/21/2013 - 03:16 | 4266217 LetThemEatRand
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Yeah, what the fuck?  This is fight club.  I feel like I'm being embraced by Meat Loaf's tits if I can't fight Francis.  Come on, Tylers.  WTF?   So he hates a group of people.  So do a lot of people.   Let it see the light of day.  Are we too pussified to engage in honest debate about it?  Sunshine is the best disinfectant.   Let freedom reign.  Stop censoring.  

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 03:59 | 4266249 mess nonster
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What? Francis Sawyer has been banned? And I find out in an article on prisons? And FS was banned for being politically incorrect? There is no hope. Maybe he went to live with Phil Robertson. If ZH banns me, i will know I did something right.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 04:45 | 4266251 bunnyswanson
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Someone said Francis Sawyer was touring with Pink Floyd.


New Link

Mother - Pink Floyd

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 08:59 | 4266393 Papasmurf
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I didn't know anyone was banned.  What is the basis?

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 09:45 | 4266422 Sean7k
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ZH servers are in Switzerland and are subject to Swiss laws concerning Ethnic bias. They are especially vigilante about jews. Since ZH doesn't want to defend itself in lawsuits, it has policies regarding your posts. Francis occasionally said too much...

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 12:30 | 4266626 Normalcy Bias
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Thank you for the explanation. They are knee-jerk (over) protective over there because of the not too distant past. Squelching open discussion about real, current issues in no way helps matters...

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 14:22 | 4266841 Tinky
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The fact is that whatever of value FS had to offer was badly degraded by his apparent compulsion to blame Jews for just about everything short of natural disasters.

One can reasonably argue about the limits of free speech, and whether or not censorship of any kind is warranted, but I, for one, am glad that his constant stream of invective, aimed almost soley at one ethnic group, is gone from ZH.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 06:49 | 4266317 dark pools of soros
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politically incorrect?  nah they dont care about that..   you can kick a retard out of a wheelchair as long as he isn't wearing a yamaka

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 13:16 | 4266714 RafterManFMJ
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The surest way to lend credence to a Man's arguments is to ruthlessly silence him.

I, for one, now believe every word Francis ever posted; if it were not true then why would the Cabal of Evil have moved so relentlessly against him?

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 22:56 | 4266001 Cornholiovanderbilt
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Fema camps bitches!

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 01:13 | 4266158 Kirk2NCC1701
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The next logical step would be Prison Nation.

That's where Central Banksters come in handy... To impoverish and imprison the masses into a Neo-Feudal state.

"The 400 (Families) Rule!" /s

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 22:59 | 4266004 ManWithaPlan
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I dont know but I can tell you this infograph is pretty bland, hope they didn't pay to much for it.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 22:59 | 4266006 NoDebt
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A lot of people deserve to be in prison.  Just that we're putting the wrong ones in there, by a large.

DUI dipshits spending a year or two (mandatory) in prison without having hurt anyone?  I'd rather just make them cough up money, wear an ankle bracelet and pay to have an ignition-linked breathalizer installed in their car.  I don't want to SPEND my money paying for them to be in prison.  

Politicians and Bankers?  You could put them all in there as far as I'm concerned.  I'll live small to pay for their incarceration and never complain.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:07 | 4266014 VD
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DUI is BIG PRISON BIZ! the entire prison-industrial complex is NOT about justice but exclusively about bottom line. thank the lobbyists for that -- them's the ones that should be jailed asap.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:39 | 4266064 toady
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Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

Not just DUI though. Pot possession, hell, I'd guesstimate 90% of the prison population, is just caught up in the for-profit corporate gearbox.

Sure, murderers, father rapers, & the like should be in there, but the big bulk of them are just dipshits with bad lawyers.

And a corporation somewhere is making money on everyone of them every day.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 00:24 | 4266110 El Vaquero
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It's not just bad lawyers.  It is also bad DAs.  My DA has a nasty little habit that I'm pretty sure is widespread.  Say somebody gets popped for a couple of misdemeanors or maybe even a fourth degree felony, or rather those are the charges that the evidence might sustain, if the police are to believed.  The DA will twist and tweak everything and wind up charging the guy with several first degree felonies, then use that as leverage to get a plea deal for lesser charges, despite the fact that the evidence for the higher charges does not exist.  Think about the effect that will have on most people, and then remember that innocent people do get arrested.  If they've got an innocent guy, he's now going to have to weigh the risks of taking it to trial for some very serious charges, or a sure thing with lesser charges.


I watched that happen to a friend's wife and her father.  The only evidence against them were two VERY contradictory statements and a stab wound in her father's chest.  There was a third even more contradictory statement by one of the people who made the other statements that the police left out of their report.  Each of them had something like 8 felony charges against them.  They lucked out, however, and the case was dropped when one witness doused the other witness with gasoline and set her on fire.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 00:46 | 4266134 toady
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See, everything worked out in the end. No need for prison time.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 00:51 | 4266136 kchrisc
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Yup, the Gestapo is here already and the SS is coming.

And remember folks, the Pan-Holocaust (includes all victims, not just 'tribe' members) was a business enterprise. The camps were owned and run by the SS as businesses. The SS rented out the labor of the inmates to companies like I.G. Farben (a Standard Oil Subsidiary) in the case of Auschwitz. The so called "final solution" was driven by the need to lower costs because so many people were being grabbed to fund the war effort via looted belongings, etc., that "profits" at the camps for the SS were becoming depressed.

Essentially, the criminals of the Nazi government ran death camps for the benefit and profit of themselves and their associated businesses. Sound familiar?! Ditto the gulags in the USSR.

The killing here has already begun, but when the spreadsheets tell them so, the killings will rise to more earnest levels.

Look it up folks. It is ALWAYS about money and power and power is just access to future money.


An American not US.

"My weapons are my ticket off the trains."

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 10:14 | 4266452 spinone
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Correct, and they made products too, like soap and lampshades.  Don't forget that IBM sold them the equipment to track camp prisoners with punchcards.  Bayer and BASF are products of the breakup of  IG Farben who made Zyklon B.  Porche and VW used concentration camp labor during the war.  It was a war economy, and corporations were part of it, just like now.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 01:08 | 4266150 Buckaroo Banzai
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The Feds have a 95%+ conviction rate.

Either they have supernatural powers, or they are dirty fucking lawless thugs.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 02:10 | 4266197 El Vaquero
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I would like to know how many of those convictions are plea deals though, and what their conviction rate is for people who go to trial. 


I will say, that if it is at all possible, and you have to interact with LEOs on the job, local or federal, film the fuck out of that shit. 

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 04:03 | 4266253 mess nonster
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If you really are innocent...

Keep your mouth shut.

Don't sign ANYTHING, not even the reciept for your personal effects.

Plead innocent.

Say no to any and all plea bargain deals.

Make your PD work for his pay, and fire him if you have to.


Sat, 12/21/2013 - 12:30 | 4266625 Calmyourself
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Sat, 12/21/2013 - 20:58 | 4267330 Watch Bird 1
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and NEVER waive Speedy Trial!

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 10:12 | 4266448 Buckaroo Banzai
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IIRC, the vast majority of those are plea bargains, and only a tiny percentage go to trial. The problem is, at trial, they have almost limitless resources to throw at you.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 10:51 | 4268306 monoloco
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Federal prosecuters will stack charges on you to get you to plead out, you will happily sign the plea bargin whether you are guilty or not when the choice is facing a mandatory 10 years in a federal correctional institute if convicted vs. 10 months in a minimum security camp if you sign the deal. There are many innocent people who are now convicted felons who took that deal so some junior federal prosecuter could maintain their conviction rate. Those fucks could give a shit whether or not you are actually guilty of a crime, if you are indicted, you'll plead to something.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 11:03 | 4266499 toady
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Obviously, 100% of plea deals are convictions, and any case that 'doesn't go to court' is not counted, so they're not part of the dataset.

So the 5% are people who won in court.

The real trick is to get a lawyer that knows the right judges. Then your case never goes to court, and, poof, like magic, it never happened.

They're expensive, but if you're facing serious jail time, they're worth it.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 12:42 | 4266653 El Vaquero
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Worth it or not, I cannot afford one of those lawyers.  They would either have to take my case pro bono, or I wouldn't get one of them.  I'm one of the few who can handle himself well in court without a lawyer.  Most people, not so much.  Simply being accused of a crime can destroy people financially even when found innocent.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 10:18 | 4266460 drdolittle
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And the DA gets his very high conviction rate to flout at next election.

Private prisons are truly evil and should be abolished. There should be no economic incentive to incarcerate people. Plus, Dick Cheney was big in them. Making laws to make it easier to take a man's freedom away so he can make more money. That's way up there in the evil scale. Walking around with his external heart and all, too damn evil to die.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 09:02 | 4266395 Papasmurf
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DUI should get an ignition interlock on the first offense.  If someone loans there car to someone caught DUI, they should have an ignition interlock too.  Solve the problem instead of locking people up.  Texting while driving is a more severe problem.  I don't know why cell phones and PDAs don't switch off while in motion.  The cell sites know the phone is in motion, so that's an easy fix.  Solve problems...

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 09:48 | 4266426 Tall Tom
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Execution on conviction from the first DUI offense will serve much better. Then we eliminate recidivism.


Of course I also believe that this needs to be affected for all crimes of well as traveling over the posted Speed Limit.


Now do I need write the /sarc tag?

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 14:15 | 4266815 RafterManFMJ
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Typical bleeding heart liberal.

No, first public flogging, then death by crushing, then sterilize and brand all the perps kids with a scarlet DUI.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 12:39 | 4266646 Calmyourself
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Absolutely!  And you should wear metallic gloves and when the car starts your hand should be unable to be moved from  the steering wheel by an electromagnet.  Your head should be atatched to a swivel allowing movement to drive but no more because that would be safer for me and you owe me!!

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 16:56 | 4267040 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Switch off cell phones and PDAs when in motion? So passengers I cars and on buses can't use theirs either? And that whole bannin texting while driving thing doesn't work. Is texting while driving a good idea? No, of course not. But what happens when you ban something is yet another example of unintended consequences of yet another feel good law- people still text, but rather than hold ther phone up by the top of the steering wheel where they can still watch the road, they hold it down in their lap so the police can't see them texting, which requires them to look down rather than ahead of them, which increases the probability of them getting into a wreck. The law of unintended consequences strikes again as more dumb feel good laws are passed, making the problem worse rather than fixing it. But hey, at least politicians and morons get to brag about another law passed "for the children"

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:39 | 4266065 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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We do not have a justice system we have a legal system.

Moar laws Moar bars.

Why should anyone be put in jail for a victimless crime?

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 01:13 | 4266160 Jlasoon
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<---------CJ Major

The CJ system is beyond corrupt. Private prisons are popping up everywhere in Florida. These prisons are guaranteed a certain capacity; it's in the contract. They don't build unless a certain quota is guaranteed.

Look up Corrections Corporation of America if you want to learn anything on the subject. Essentially government passes law, individual breaks ubiquitous law, corporation houses inmate, taxpayer money funneled to corporation, CEO makes "beaucoup" dollars, and politician gets money from CEO for reelection.  

America F^&* Yea!!!!

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 10:18 | 4266455 spinone
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I thought that ZHers were all for small government and privitization.  Can't have it both ways...

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 10:20 | 4266464 drdolittle
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Yeah, you can. In this case funneling major bucks to people who with any business sense will lobby for more laws to incarcerate people is a conflict of interests with the public. Weak assed argument and you should know it. Or you're too stupid to be on this forum.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 13:01 | 4266684 El Vaquero
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There are far too many laws on the books.  I'd simply make a lot fewer acts criminal.  In fact, if you made me supreme overlord for a day, one of the things that I would probably do is make it so that there was an automatic sunset clause on all existing and future laws of 10 years with the requirement that any law that is to be renewed must be read aloud in front of a quorum of the legislative body that initially passed it.  I would also deny legislative bodies the ability to delegate their authority to determine directly or indirectly what counts as criminal acts.  If we're going to have a government, and elected officials are going to feel like they need to do something, lets give them something to do, rather than letting them find something to do on their own. 

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:52 | 4267317 starfcker
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of course you can have it both ways. don't be one of the morons who wastes a single breath defending anything that makes your life worse, just because some shill told you that this is the position people of your stripe ought to take. think for yourself.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 11:39 | 4266531 Suisse
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I'd suggest changing your major to something involving applied mathematics or medicine. 

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 16:20 | 4266992 Jlasoon
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CJ was one of my Majors, I also hold a BSN.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 22:58 | 4266007 Yes_Questions
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What's Next?


MOAR lobbying by the industry to keep the head count high.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:04 | 4266015 Ignatius
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Post the HSBC Settlement, EVERY non-violent drug offender should be released.

The 'war on drugs' is a fraud.  You wanna fight drugs?  Talk to your kids.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:17 | 4266034 object_orient
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Explicit drug offenses are 17% of crimes committed by those incarcerated, according to the chart. I'd like to know how many violent and property crimes are drug related. For example, a gang member shooting another gang member over drug dealing territory. Or a junkie burglarizing a house to pay for artificially expensive illegal drugs. I'm willing to bet all drug related crime is between 30-50% of the total, and ending the war on drugs would be the best thing to happen in this country in a very long time.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:13 | 4266021 Greenskeeper_Carl
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I have a crazy idea that is so crazy, it just might work- end the fucking war on drugs, fucktards. Stop trying to legislate morality, and stop locking people up for non violent crimes. speaking from a purely economics standpoint, all the govt does is enforce the monopoly violent cartels have on drugs. That, and get rid of the insanely wrong for profit prison system, whose very existence insures the continuance of lockin up people for victims less crimes due to the contracts they have with state govt requring them to maintain 90% or greater occupancy. That, and putting an end to the liberal public education system and let local areas make their own decisions about what is best for children, rather than a fed gov propaganda machine that indoctrinated youth with a sense of entitlement that ensures arrested development in a large % of our youth

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:33 | 4266058 in4mayshun
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Welcome to the party Carl. All you need to know is " End the FED, NAFTA, and this Psychotic Gov and you're now up to speed.

Oh- and Twerking is now a word.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 21:00 | 4267341 starfcker
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carl, i strongly disagree with part of your post. stop locking people up for nonviolent offenses? that's pretty broad. lots of nonviolent offenses are treated a little too mildly now, especially for repeat offenders. break into my house. i want you in jail. get caught with a kilo of heroin? i want you gone, because i know the damage that is going to cause. stop legislating morality? not killing or stealing are laws about morality. don't like prostitution laws? sign up your daughter. that's all we should be legislating.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 14:23 | 4268726 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Dude are you fucking serious? Breaking into a house with the intent to harm another person, either with violence or by taking their property is always a crime. I am talking about laws that violate the natural right of man to do as he pleased with his own body so long as it does not harm others. Breaking into a house harms others, dumbass. And the whole sign up my daughter for prostitutio because I don't like those laws is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard from a poster on this site. What am adult does with his or her body should be their business alone, not the govt. I would never condone a member of my family engaging in such things, but that doesn't mean the momma big gov needs to come in and tell supposedly free people how to run their personal lives. Maybe you should go back to Fox News

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 03:31 | 4270168 starfcker
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I am serious. and i have never had cable TV in my life. i live in ft. lauderdale, and we had a governor in florida (charlie christ) who kind of tried some of these ideas. we suddenly had more pill mills than fast food. we suddenly had prostitutes on US1 in broad daylight. victimless crime? everyone was victimized at once. the prostitutes (and yes they are someones child) and the residents. the drug addicts and the residents. it was deplorable. easy to have ideas like yours in theory, the reality was nothing short of dehumanizing for everyone. totally agree with you on getting rid of private prisons. worst idea ever.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:13 | 4266022 El Vaquero
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Our legal system is designed to make people fail after they have been through it.  Come out of prison and you are a pariah during good times.  There simply aren't enough opportunities for ex-cons to make a decent living lawfully.  Some will claw their way up, but many will return to crime.  What is even worse is that the prison culture will often take somebody who simply fucked up and got caught, or was wrongfully convicted, and turn that person into a real criminal. 

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:23 | 4266041 phaedrus1952
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I can personally vouch for the accuracy of that, El Vaq

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 16:25 | 4267000 RafterManFMJ
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Yep it's true; I was arrested for jaywalking and did a week in jail. Now I'm a FED banker.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:50 | 4266083 the grateful un...
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yes and the idea that you were caught stealing implies you need further education, back to the slammer for you

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 09:58 | 4266433 Tall Tom
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Finishing school as to learn how not to get caught?


The problem is that all of the teachers methods are flawed as is evidential by the teacher's location.


" was FRAMED!!!"

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 16:36 | 4267016 RafterManFMJ
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A man learns from his mistakes; a smart man learns from the mistakes of others.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 10:19 | 4266459 spinone
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Wait, that sounds like the opposite of rehabilitation.  You mean that criminals aren't being rehabilitated but made worse in the system, while corporations make a proft?  Impossible, wheres the public benefit in that? /SARC

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 00:15 | 4266032 Pseudonymous
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As I just commented in another thread, a tyrannical state such as the U.S. is very much like an open air prison with staff. And it is not so clear who has freedom and who doesn't.

Copied from the comment:

Canada, like every other coercive state in the world, is pretty much a prison.

When will they get it that it is not worth keeping a prison when the prison staff can never hope to actually achieve happiness, whereas the prisoners have choices such as:

  • Dedicating their whole being to the goal of bringing the whole prison down, if need be, and using any means necessary just to make life more miserable for everybody, in the hope of just bringing the end closer.
  • Live with and concentrate on whatever freedom there is left, but being held back from sharing it with the staff (the ones that look like and think that they are free, but who are actually the ones who most desperately need that freedom... the irony...), precisely because of the rules that the prison has established.

Pretty effective way to achieve a pretty ineffective situation (i.e. a stalemate).

And the point is, why do prison staff (and metaphorically meaning everyone working for the "security" and continuation of the state and institutions interdependent with the state) keep doing in the name of the state what they are doing at all.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 01:37 | 4266167 Jlasoon
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Stanford Prison Experiment anyone?
Sun, 12/22/2013 - 18:57 | 4269371 Umh
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They need a job.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:22 | 4266043 Cabreado
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What an impressive presentation, in that dumb-everything-down sort of way...

that familiar graphic...

and this one is about criminals, no less...

and forgets to mention the greatest criminals.

There is an important thing going on here...

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:23 | 4266044 Son of Captain Nemo
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You want a fix?

String every last God Damn Senate and House representative from a light pole along with their attendants. 

Nuke the Pentagon, Langley and Fort Meade with everyone in it. Then start over!

There fixed it!

Oh and Merry Christmas

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:26 | 4266046 ThorAss
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We're all prisoners now!

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:27 | 4266050 A Lunatic
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Stop prosecuting victimless crimes........

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:37 | 4266061 Reaper
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Advancing from the Peter Principle: What happens to judges, lawyers, social workers, police, rehabilitators, guards and prison executives and their ilk, if the prison population lowers? Aren't prisons and those sending persons to prisons, really job providers? Is government success measured by the quantity incarcerated? Back in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, we had physical punishments, because incarceration was costly. Shouldn't the goal of punishment be to change behavior, not insure its continuance? There is no intelligent connection between incarceration and changing of behavior. Government and its planning have failed, as always.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:47 | 4266081 the grateful un...
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yes terrorists are job providers. this is why we give them money

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:07 | 4271239 Kobe Beef
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Government and its planning have failed to address crime. It has not failed in providing tens of billions of dollars annually to the Prison Plantation Industry.

Government is not for the people. It is for the rentiers. The Prison System is for the lawyers, judges, and investors who profit from it. Who? Whom?

While on a "War" footing, a vast mobilization of public resources is funneled into private pockets. Once the system is set up, all the rentier cartel has to do is maintain the Public Relations campaign to keep the public agitated. The War on Terror is not about Terror. The War on Drugs is not about Drugs. The War on Poverty is not about Poverty. They're about providing a guaranteed profit to those who promise to "remedy" an unpopular situation.

Civil Society can no longer afford the predators nor the parasites running the Prison Plantation Industry. So here's my solution: Anyone convicted of a gang-related violent crime gets executed. Start with the ones already in prison. Less convicts, less profits, less incentives to join a domestic terror organization and proceed through the crime pipeline.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:47 | 4266078 navy62802
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God damn! Prison population EXPLODED in the 80s. Thank you Ron!

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 18:57 | 4269372 Umh
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Well they were allowed to be on the right side of the tracks after dark.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:47 | 4266079 the grateful un...
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turn our prisons into reeducation camps! Mr. Durden, do you think fractional reserve banking amounts to leverage of non-collateralized assets? true or false? guard, next flight to GITMO

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:55 | 4266085 are we there yet
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China uses prisoners for organ donors.

China is not even on the above list but has more executions than any country.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:56 | 4266087 monkeydart
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This may be a stupid remark but I think that execution cost is either a ridiculous government bamboozle or misleading. $300 million per execution is pretty high. I'm pretty sure bullets, rope and electricty haven't inflated that much.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 00:20 | 4266105 PoliticalRefuge...
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Na the rope is still a bargain, it's legal costs; turns out it's cheaper to just feed and watch them slowly rust away in the Alice in Wonderland we live in.

I honestly don't care anymore, tired of the endless death penalty arguments.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 04:26 | 4266263 the0ther
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The bankers should be sent to the front of the line.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 00:01 | 4266091 El Tuco
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What does the geography of incarceration look like....



Sat, 12/21/2013 - 00:36 | 4266125 palmereldritch
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Who needs the gulags of China when the private prison system of the USA and its prison workforce feeds the MIC ?

Call it Prey-as-you-go

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 01:23 | 4266129 Radical Marijuana
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The primary paradox is the government IS organized crime, controlled by the best organized gang of criminals. In the USA the biggest gangsters are the banksters. They have been able to apply the methods of organized crime in order to legalize private banks being able to counterfeit the public money supply, out of nothing, as debts. Therefore, the most important social systems are all legalized lies, backed by legalized violence.

The secondary paradoxes are all the ways that the well-established runaway fascist plutocracy juggernaut that was created by the triumphs of the banksters, and the corporations that grew up around those banksters, WANT a runaway militarized fascist police state, because the plutocracy needs that police state to protect itself, and to advance its real agenda.

The deeper paradoxes are that there MUST necessarily be some systems of death controls, which real history has primarily seen developed through the history of warfare, where success was based on deceits, and spies were the most important soldiers. The deepest paradoxes are due the degree to which the biggest bullies' bullshit stories almost totally dominate civilization. Therefore, there IS, and MUST BE, a combined money/murder system, in which the debt controls are backed up by the death controls, and that is how and why the government IS organized crime, controlled by the best organized gang of criminals.


Anyway, there has been a history of false flag attacks pulled off by the ruling classes, to be able to take more control over those who were ruled. The whole "war on (some) drugs" was one such false flag attack. The single most extreme example was changing hemp from being the single best plant on the planet for people, for food, fiber, fun and medicine, into "marijuana that is almost as bad as murder." About 75% of the war on drug is against "marijuana," which never needed to exist at all, except that in every way, all the evil things caused by that war benefit the banksters that control the government, because the systems are set up so that the banksters, and their corporations, benefit from every evil thing that they can possibly do. In my opinion, the majority of other crimes would stop if the war on drugs stopped.

The whole war on drugs was a huge fraud, which benefited the banksters more than anyone else, in every way. Again, the social pyramid system resolves chronic political problems in the most expedient ways that benefit the ruling classes. THE PROBLEMS WOULD EXIST ANYWAY, AND WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE RESOLVED SOMEHOW, HOWEVER, THE DEGREE OF SUCCESS OF THE RULING CLASSES, BY HAVING THEIR BULLSHIT DOMINATE SOCIETY, MAKES RATIONAL DEBATE ABOUT ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS TO THOSE CHRONIC POLITICAL PROBLEMS PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

Since people are NOT able to understand warfare, because they do not want to understand, there can not be any better resolutions of the chronic political problems which the expedience of warfare resolved. Ending the war on drugs could not be properly done unless warfare was understood better, so that its necessary purposes were achieved in better ways. The banksters evolved to become the "top carnivores" or top predators, within the human ecology system. The excessive degree of their successes at legalizing their preferred lies, so that those frauds would be enforced, have resulted in the banksters and their corporations tending to degenerate into parasites. The background problem is that the role of warfare in human ecology was what drove the real murder systems operating the crucial death controls to be done through the maximum possible deceits, so that false flag attacks, and wars based on deceits, became very common. Often throughout history, the ruling classes advanced one boogie man after another, to justify their need for more power to control other people, by being able to keep other people ignorant and afraid.

Tragically, there currently seems very little likelihood of that getting better, rather than way, way worse in the foreseeable future. The biggest bullies' bullshit stories continue to be way too dominant, so that the vast majority of people are not able to travel through enough different levels to begin to understand better what has really been going on.

Always, As Above, So Below, As Within, So Without, And The Lies Are Different At Every Level. There ARE, and must necessarily be, some death controls, which control everything else. Those real systems have developed through history to become based on the maximum possible deceits, where the biggest of those deceits is the assertion that no such systems should exist at all. Similarly, the debt controls that were built on top of the death control systems were based on the maximum possible frauds, in the form of a fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting system, through which the best organized gang of criminals were able to take control over the government enough to legalized their own frauds, which otherwise would and should be a crime for anyone else to do!

Therefore, America is the world's leader in having imprisoned its people, because America is the world's leader in developing the basic Neolithic style of civilization to be the biggest social pyramid scheme there has ever been. One successful false flag attack after another have justified the government to attack boogie men in ways which always backfired, but did accomplish the covert goals of the ruling classes who pulled off those false flag attacks.

Hence, around and around we went ... The clear result has been runaway systems of legalized lies, operating legalized robberies, which started with taking almost everything from the people who were living in America for tens of thousands of years before the European invasion happened. Then more of the same with slavery. Then more of the same through more sophisticated systems of slavery, such as illustrated by the real effects of the drug wars, and so forth and so on ...

Since the vast majority of people have been so successfully brainwashed to not understand basic human ecology, and its political economy parameters, and they have been almost completely conditioned to feel that they do not want to understand, we are way too far away from having any possibly saner public debate about how the combined money/murder systems should be operated. Instead, we have ended up with the most fully developed systems of triumphant deceits and frauds becoming what actually exists, which have almost totally insulated themselves from criticism.

Obviously, a tiny minority has become fantastically successful at robbing the vast majority. They have worked their way through the native Americans, and the slaves that were forced to come to America, and those ruling classes have been working their way through the other lower classes, and indeed, are seriously starting to devour the middle classes.

The background problem is that human realities are always organized lies, operating organized robberies. Since the vast majority of people have been taught to not understand that, and to not want to understand that, there is runaway social insanity everywhere one looks. The American prison system is merely another one of the obvious symptoms of those problems. As a whole, the American family has suffered a home invasion, whereby control over their government was captured by the vicious spiral of the relationships between money and political power, with the funding of the political processes being crucial to those developments.

Inside of those systems, the social insanities of privatized prisons make perverse sense, since what has been happening more and more for at least a Century has been the privatization of the powers of government, which had its most significant form become the creation of the Federal Reserve Board, as a private bank that controlled making the public money supply out of nothing, as debts. There is no way to adequately understand the American prison system which does not include understanding how the international bankers, as the biggest gangsters, were able to capture control over the government of the USA, and then use that power to drive a runaway spiral of bigger legalized lies, backed by more legalized violence.

The American prison system is an expression of the problem that backing up lies with violence can never make those lies become true. Crime and punishment in the USA is profoundly psychotic, because that civilization refuses to admit the continuum of historical facts that organized crime is a form of government, and that government is a form of organized crime. The government of the USA refuses to admit the truth that backing up legalized lies with legalized violence always necessarily backfires badly, and can never work in the longer term. But nevertheless, due to the ways that the funding of the political processes have worked, the USA has ended up having a runaway fascist plutocracy, building a runaway fascist police state.

Unless there are some series of political miracles, that process will devolve to becoming the imposition of democidal martial law, whereby the current social insanities of the American prison systems will be driven to become hyperbolic expressions of the deeper causes not being resolved in any better ways. It was the background covert triumphs of the best organized gangs of criminals being able to take control over the government that are the deeper reasons why everything is getting more insane. Hence, there are profound paradoxes which are so totally entangled that it is almost impossible to imagine how they could ever be better unraveled!

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 01:55 | 4266187 Manipuflation
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Nicely done Sir.  I would post this on Boating Accident News but not without your permission.  It's up to you but at least that way it won't get lost in the depths of ZeroHedge archives never to be read again.  Good job Sir.   

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 19:39 | 4267221 Radical Marijuana
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Sure, Manipulation, I would be honoured to be including on the archetypal "boating accident news." I do not bother to try to copyright my bla, bla, blah ... (which could be better edited) Rather, I have found this observation to be correct:

"Don't worry about people stealing your ideas.  If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats."

--- Howard Aiken (One of IBM's first computer builders)

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 05:14 | 4266274 Zero Debt
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Great post.

Change starts with the individual, not the politicians. If enough individuals change, the politics will change. Politicians are lagging, not leading, indicators.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 09:39 | 4266415 zaphod42
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Excellent post, sir.  And good insight. 

The only thing I might add would be a description of why the marijuana laws were enacted in the first place.  As you said, MJ is great as food, fabric and rope.  It also makes wonderful paper, and that is where things get interesting.  Laws against marijuana came about as a consequence of lobbying by the large wood-pulp paper mills who wanted to eliminate the renewable, inexpensive and superior product of hemp paper.  Cotton growers were not a problem (although cotton fiber is better than wood for making paper), because their product is inherently more expensive by a great deal.  MJ paper was far less expensive, and was more durable and nicer than even the cotton product.

And so, they found a way... "Look!  People are smoking marijuana!  Smoking marijuana makes people feel good, and thus (puritan prudes -> life = hard work, long hours, no pleasure, etc.), it must be evil.  Therefore we must save our children by making marijuana illegal.  QED"

And so, to this day, we subsidize wood pulp paper by incarcerating those who would dare to grow marijuana!


Sat, 12/21/2013 - 10:44 | 4266483 angryBuddhist
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"they have been almost completely conditioned to feel that they do not want to understand"

I have been conditioned to never talk with people I meet about such matters. Anytime I have ever brought up the real state of affairs in this country with most people in general, you can immediately see this look in their eyes that screams to change the subject to what Miley Cyrus did on TV last night . . .

We are totally screwed so as long as the majority of people seek out and choose ignorance as a way of life.



Sat, 12/21/2013 - 15:27 | 4266917 YHC-FTSE
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Loads of good comments here, I've singled you out, but plenty of food for thought. 

About privatising prisons, it was pointed out to me years ago that growth and profit being the mantra of the corporation,  if the prison population ever started to dwindle,  they would make it a criminal offence to breathe. 

Anyway,  I don't think it gets more batshit crazy than the average cost per death row execution in CA. $307 million? That must be typo surely? Wouldn't it be much cheaper to put each inmate at an exclusive Beverly Hills spa then drown the fellow in a swimming pool full of Dom Perignon? WTF. 

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 02:01 | 4267884 starfcker
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it's a buffet of endless tax dollars for one of the most sociopathic form of attorney. one that identifies with the killer and not the victim. 

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 01:38 | 4266175 Manipuflation
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I know, let's put moar people in jail for smoking a joint and eating a twinkie.  That ought to fix it.  Oh yeah, and we need moar HR dept personnel and some extra piss tests.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 02:44 | 4266214 UGrev
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What will it be holding? A metric shit ton of NY'ers from upstate.. FUCK YOU CUOMO!

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 02:52 | 4266220 joak
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To be fair, maybe the reason why the US have so many incarcerated people is because criminals do go to jail. In many European countries, unless you murder someone with an axe, you remain free as a bird in most of the cases, or you get ridicilously short sentences. 

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