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What's Next For The US Prison System?
It's no secret the US is facing a dilemma when it comes to its prison system. With the largest prison population and incarceration rate in the World, the US is facing severe overcrowding and more spending on prisons than education. What does the future hold for the US prison system?
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joak
please do read all the comments
Your basic belief that the government is not 'soft on criminals' but instead practices 'tough love' is seriously mistaken.
What's next?
Escape from New York?
No Escape?
The Running Man?
Maybe put them on a spare aircraft carrier and send the excess back to England with a note for 'The City'. "This is your cousin, yada yada yada, how about you pay for them all now?" Fills one with nostalgia for motherland, the colonials make-good and return home to mother-duck, the circle is complete, exports of convicts up 32% YOY. Isn't that what all evil-empires do to their captive citizens? Unload them on some other poor sods? ... in this case super-crooked uber-rich sods ... free tip, send the most violent ones first. WIN-WIN
53.3 Billion for the U.S. Prison System. You mean that the Fed is buying 1.5 entire U.S. prison systems a month?
My solution for violent criminals is lobotomy [Democrats], then work them on the prison farm. Those that get the death penalty should be looked at as involuntary organ donors for those in need.
Decrease the prison population by ending the insane war on drugs.
Lower the crime rate by all states recognizing the 2nd ammendment as the only carry permit an individual needs.
Abolish the Fed
Support the C.O.S. [Convention of States] and get some term limiting ammendments put in the Constituition for starters.
Abolish the IRS , epa, DOE , etc...
Increase competition among breweries and distillers
And on and on
Treason 0%
'Nuff said.
$307 million average cost per death row execution in CA? What!!?
and 25 years,
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jun/20/california-death-penalty-execution-costs
good money in fightin,
good money in killin
great money in fightin over killin.
USA...USA...USA...
#1, bitchez
Tortures and a modern Auschwitz
Everyone suspects that the following happen almost everywhere. Western world is transformed into a huge area of brutal police violence and human rights become, more and more, only words in Brussels bureaucrats' papers. The following info come from an article by Kostas Vaxevanis, HotDoc magazine, Issue 42, Dec. 2013.
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2013/12/tortures-and-modern-auschwitz...
With all the cops not needed in existence arrests have to be manufactured.
With all the court employees not needed in existence manufactured arrests have to be tried and found guilty.
With all the found guilty folks going to jail more county and state employees are needed.
With all the ......
Get it?
I get it. The bloated prison system comes from bloated police, courts, prosecutors, and so on.
... most of those systems are paid for with money made out of nothing, as debts, since most of the things that the government pays for are paid with money made out of nothing by banksters that can then loan that fiat money back to the government!
The American prison system, like everything else the government does, is being paid for though the Federal Reserve Board System, which is the main source of those bloating social insanities! The banksters always benefit from how much worse everything gets! Creating wars based on deceits is the best excuse for more debt slavery!
One of my teabagger pals who is all for the prison system has now been unemployed for going on 4 years. Sending US jobs offshore and telling lies about it is a type of prison.
It has long been the case that most crimes flow from drug crimes. Because the supply is restricted by illegality, users must pay exhorbitant amounts for drugs. Because most drug users are low income folks (come on, it's a way they can feel good even when they know things are bad), they cannot pay that much without resorting to crime.
Years ago I worked with the DA in an Illinois county 'under cover' to bust the local cat house. The office would leave things alone until other crimes began to go up; even they they knew that drugs were the problem and most other crimes a symptom of that. Murder rates, turf wars in the 'hood, theft, burglary (especially burglary!), and most everything except white collar crime and sexual assaults relate to drugs. And this is the case because of the market distortion involved.
Now, I admit that some drugs (especially meth) are really really bad for the user. OTOH, so is a criminal record, which makes it almost impossible to get a real job, thus forcing anyone with a drug crime into crime to support him/her self.
The solution seems obvious, and it is. Decriminalize most drugs (start with marijuana, and when you see how impactful reform of marijuana laws is, add to list)... issue executive pardons for all crimes associated with drug use and not involving violence against persons or property. Then, use the money saved for education. Maybe even a few of those cherished tax cuts the neo-Cons love so much. Savings: fewer prisons, fewer police, fewer judges and associated legal costs. Instead of going after drug users, go after banksters! They have harmed far more people - whole economies in fact - than any drug user, or even drug lord for that matter.
Of course, when the next train wreck happens to our economy, all bets are off since there will most assuredly be people committing crimes for the purpose of being incarcerated (and fed, and kept warm and dry). Good luck with the new normal!
"With the largest prison population and incarceration rate in the World, the US is facing severe overcrowding and more spending on prisons than education. "
Go USA!!!! We're number one! We're number one!
What was that statement Obongo made about exceptional America?!?
Yes to all that. But we DO have chocolate chip cookies.
Not only that but they are Double Chocolate Chips too.
What is next for the US Prison System? Most of the Zerohedge posters serving time for Thought Crimes???
We need to get over the idea that government has to spend billions to protect us from ourselves. If an individual wishes to self-destruct that should be a personal choice. All drugs need to be decriminalized. The only laws restricting use should be in place to protect children. Introducing a child to crystal meth, heroin or coke should be a capital offense. Prostitution should be legalized and controlled by zoning. Bigamy should be decriminalized and treated as a breach of contract. DUI should result in forfeiture of your automobile.
Prisons should return to incarcerating physical threats to society. Rapist, murderers and child molesters should spend the rest of their days on the prison farm growing food for themselves and the growing soup lines.
We will downsize the state by design or default. Default will be very messy.
Be careful with the details, Cloud, "coke" is an effective anesthetic which was originally outlawed as part of a pogrom against Blacks down in the southern states.
Child molesters can be imprisoned as part of a set-up. When "properly done" the target (innocent or guilty) doesn't even make it to the presentment- all records are sealed to protect the unknown accuser.
Obviously if the cocaine is prescribed the physician should not be executed. Nor should he be executed for prescribing a narcotic based on opium. My target was the street pharmacist. As for baby rapist, I do have concerns about the system. Having said that, if a 19 year old screws his 10 year old niece, well you don’t rehabilitate that. It happened on my street a few months ago. I knew the rapist. He raped the girl six or seven times. Sorry, that old boy needs to be under guard the rest of his life.
Rapists, murderers, child molesters, gang members, and violent criminals should be executed. I see no reason to pay for their continued existence. The State demands lawful society provide them with a home, meals, TV, exercise, health care, and constant supervision. There is no return on these investments. The recidivism rate is high, and criminal organizations continue their affairs within the prison, with no shortage of eager recruits outside to do their bidding.
Should these criminals be able to perform valuable labor to society at a minimal expense to the society they have harmed? fine. Grow food and live. Otherwise, liquidate them.
You made a bad decision? Fine. Here are the consequences. We're all out of redemption.
You seek forgiveness? Talk to Jesus-- when you meet Him.
@Tall Tom
Re: Satoshi, I dont think that any real ex-NSA would be so dumb as to say he's an ex-NSA, precisely because everyone knows that there's no such thing as an ex-NSA. Is my logic clear?
Eric Snowden would disagree.
My understanding is that Snowden was employed by a Private Contractor and was not Military. He was not NSA but exposed NSA secrets.
Military Intellgence is an oxymoron after all.
So, then, what can you conclude from your logic?
He is either stupid and "ex-NSA" or he is LYING.
To be NSA he must be US Military. He claims to be foreign. That does not exclude US Military Service, but, makes it unlikely that he will ever have had the Security Clearances to be NSA. (Of course there is that oxymoron, Military Intelligence, that must be considered...)
So either that makes him a TROLL, or a FRAUD.
Do you understand my logic?
Keynesian perfection: Put people to work building prisons; then lower unemployment by throwing them in afterwards!
No reason to single out prisons as wastes of human life, moral cesspools, and deep pits of taxpayer money. Nearly every government program is that way.
I see a partnership between the prisons and fast food. Soylent Green tubes run from the on-site processing plant at the prison, directly to McDonalds kitchen.
I'm Lovin' it!
Not a mention anywhere of those long black robed asshats necessary for the Police State's growth!
The only activism coming from the courts is to allow gay marriage- and ,of course, a way to make Obamacare legal.
The private companies set up to handle intake, housing, "education", "treatment", release and monitoring are the layer of seperation that gives all the pols a way to declaim any responsibility when something goes wrong with the system they designed.
Homework Assignment: Try looking up the home address of the District Judge who rules over you.
Property crime (actually expected), where the having nothing causes someone to take it from another. Then this other person then runs around trying to take it from somebody else to replace what they lost.
Happens when there is not enough in the lowest level and the society you get reflects this.
Poverty doesn't cause crime. I have walked among the poorest of the poor in South East Asia. Their huts didn't have locks--they didn't even have doors. And yet, they had no property crime. And they also didn't have a multi-billion dollar Judicial/Prison System. So, poverty and a parasitic State Entity had nothing to do with the maintenance of their peaceful society.
I once lived in a public housing project in another Asian country. Same story, no property crime. No violent crime either. The residents tended the community gardens, children played safely on the playgrounds, no grafitti, no piss in the elevators, no rapists in the stairwells, no broken fixtures.
It's not the Poverty. It's not the Prison System.
The expansion of the total criminal justice system is well on its way.
We produce fine, industrial strength criminals.
We incarcerate non violent criminals for small drug charges, and we stand a good chance of making them violent.
We keep law abiding citizens fearful of the industrial strength criminals, the cops, and the myriad laws which are unknown and waiting to drag us into the system.
Swat teams, armored vehicles, strong unions and industrial technology.
Ain't it grand?
Ignorance of the law is no excuse, sir.......but it is profitable.
Sincerely,
Your Local Douchebag Revenuer
My wife worked at the county prison for six months in the kitchen. She overlorded a group of prisoners preparing the daily food. She felt sorry for most of the guys there as they were all non-violent and there for possesion (mostly a class D substance, weed). I couldn't believe (actually I had no problem believeing) the corruption. The sherrif would go hunting, bring a deer, and have the prisoners slaughter it for him. The wife of the sherrif would come collect 100 lbs of shrimp for a party she was throwing (all on taxpayer money). The list goes on and on.
This can be (I proposed--I don't spam anywhere
let alone here, and the bundle has NO link
to anything me--fairness to ZH, for some time
to come but then no guarantee) halfway
legalized so as to change a default policy
yielding everything doctors and biomed
people warn against to one that rationalizes
the (pot) distribution network while also making
state capitals rich.
It's really the higher THC concentrations available
today than existed during Woodstock that makes
this require greater attention than much of what's
in this (that bundle.))
http://www.multiurl.com/la/Marijuana_Comparisons_Bundle
Educate don't incarcerate.
An engine fires better on all cylinders.
Otherwise I guess tell the inmates everyone
they see is a demon, stick a uniform on them,
and send them off to war.
When the French sent people into the
French Foreign Legion some went into
KP duty and therefrom to Cordon Bleu.
The ones who couldn't hack it went
to Belgium, where they sell french
fries with mayonnaise.
Q:
Where did the original French
tailors go when their fashion
industry took off?
A:
Toulouse.
Arrest the Rockefellers and the entire District of Columbia. Throw all those fuckers in there too. Well get them working instead of robbing for a change.
Let them build a wall around DC and when it's finished change the locks on the gates to lock from the outside.
I think John Carpenter can make a good movie out of that. Snake Plissken: Escape from DC.
I thought snake was dead.
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we mean it... There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”
(’Atlas Shrugged’ 1957)
What's next? More prisons, more prisoners, more prison guards with higher salaries and fatter pensions, and more "private" crony-prisons with secret funding deals.
This will require more laws, more felonies, more arrests, escalation of the War on Drugs, criminalization of civil, environmental and speech offenses, more judges, more lawyers, more prosecutors, more cops, more Feds, more DEA, more FBI. Higher taxes to pay for it all.
Progressive Big Government loves Conservative Law and Order.
Too cynical?
you mean more judges on the take to keep up the prison population.
... Too cynical?
"No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up."
--- Lily Tomlin
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Lily_Tomlin
Carlin had it right take 4 states and fence them in and periodically open the gates between them and televise the whole thing.
violent offenders in Kansas
sex offenders in Wyoming
drug addicts and alcoholics in Colorado
maniacs and crazy people in Utah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmJ2snsLxWw
Adnan Kashoggi said sooner or later everyone in America goes to jail as he was being released from Allenwood. Smart Guy.
If Barry was smart he would have all the private/contracted incarceration Cos. declare their inmates/guests as independent contractors or employees, and open some sort of manufacturing facilty that pays peanuts.
These inmates/guests could be counted as private employees and used to beef up the ACA signup target/goal for propaganda purposes. Damn, I hope I'm not possessed by the ghost of Stalin?
" Damn, I hope I'm not possessed by the ghost of Stalin?" - you probably are, but that is besides the point. Those unfortunate victimless crime prisoners (War on Drugs anyone?) won't get paid enough to afford Obamascare. They'll end up getting the subsidies that they take from us at the threat of violence.
All the more reason for Barry to use/abuse the innocent. If you read my comment, it referred to "incarcerated" guests of the penal system.
What the hell you all actually have issues with one another here hell i've been here for years and never noticed. LOL. Of course I don't really give a fk if someone gets on my ass.
Ever notice that public schools look more and more like lock ups
But, but - aren't prisons are supposed to rehabilitate people who have gone astray from the upward path in life and return them to their communities as productive citizens able to hold full time jobs using the skills they have learned while incarcerated? Am I missing something here?
Maybe I should write to my congressman.
What does the future hold? Slave labor camps!
Where do you think that FEMA got their great idea from?
Prisons are profit centers for goverment and unions. The legal system needs fodder to maintain their budgets and if they are able to increase 'production' then even bigger budgets can be had! Justice is just a word and has absolutely nothing to do with the American legal system.
Best post on this thread. Concise, spot on, and exactly what I would have typed in thought. Having been through the US Federal Prison system myself, I know.
Yep FEMA camp's with mass sterilizations upon enrollment
Rand was spot on over 50 years ago. 100% true of the US legal and "justice" system/corporation today. Private and Public.