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US Sailors, Assisting With Fukushima Clean Up, Crippled By Cancer

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Back in December 2012, we wrote that it was only a matter of time before Japan's criminal lying about the radioactive exposure in the aftermath of the Fukushima catastrophe caught up with it, as well as with countless numbers of people who would soon succumb to radiation induced cancers and other diseases. What we found surprising back then, before the full scale of the Fukushima catastrophe become clear and before even Tepco admitted that the situation is completely out of control, is that those holding Japan accountable were not its own citizens but eight US sailors who have then filed a suit against semi-nationalized energy operator TEPCO - the company which repeatedly ignored internal warnings about the ability of the Fukushima NPP to withstand an earthquake/tsunami -  seeking $110 million in damages.

Kyodo reported:

"Eight U.S. sailors have filed a damages suit against Tokyo Electric Power Co., claiming they were exposed to radiation and face health threats as the utility did not provide appropriate information about the Fukushima nuclear disaster while they engaged in rescue operations on board an aircraft carrier, U.S. media reported.


The plaintiffs who filed the suit at the U.S. federal court in San Diego -- seeking a total of $110 million, or 9.4 billion yen, in damages -- were aboard the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan when it was involved in "Operation Tomodachi," a disaster relief effort shortly after a big earthquake and tsunami triggered the worst nuclear accident in decades, the reports said."

What is sad is that while everyone in the alternative media was repeatedly warning about the radiation exposure being misrepresented by both TEPCO and various Japanese ministries, it was the mainstream media that was constantly complicit in disseminating official and unofficial lies that there is nothing to fear.

One year after our report, the lies are not only catching up (and overtaking), but are ruining and dooming innocent lives. As Fox reports, dozens of US soldiers who participated in the Fukushima cleanup effort, are succumbing to numerous radiation-related illnesses, including cancer, and their only error was believing the official media lies.

From Fox:

When the USS Ronald Reagan responded to the tsunami that struck Japan in March 2011, Navy sailors including Quartermaster Maurice Enis gladly pitched in with rescue efforts. 


But months later, while still serving aboard the aircraft carrier, he began to notice strange lumps all over his body. Testing revealed he'd been poisoned with radiation, and his illness would get worse. And his fiance and fellow Reagan quartermaster, Jamie Plym, who also spent several months helping near the Fukushima nuclear power plant, also began to develop frightening symptoms, including chronic bronchitis and hemorrhaging.


They and 49 other U.S. Navy members who served aboard the Reagan and sister ship the USS Essex now trace illnesses including thyroid and testicular cancers, leukemia and brain tumors to the time spent aboard the massive ship, whose desalination system pulled in seawater that was used for drinking, cooking and bathing. In a lawsuit filed against Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), the plaintiffs claim the power company delayed telling the U.S. Navy the tsunami had caused a nuclear meltdown, sending huge amounts of contaminated water into the sea and, ultimately, into the ship's water system.


“At our level, we weren’t told anything,” Plym told “We were told everything was OK.” Now, Plym, Enis and dozens of others wonder if their service to their country and to Japan has left them doomed.


“I get so angry," Plym said. "They said as long as the plume was avoided we would be fine. But we knew then that something was going to happen. Common sense tells you that the wind would blow it everywhere. You don’t need to be a nuclear scientist to figure that out.”

Why the anger though: after all everyone lied, starting with those in control, and certainly the media that supports the status quo (one must think of all those advertising dollars) constantly and repeatedly that it is simply preposterous to assume that a benevolent regime which only cares about the wealth effect (of both the US and Japan) would engage in such a vast conspiracy as to hide from the world just how destructive the fallour from Fukushima truly was (even as the fringe blogosphere was warning precisely about this day in, and day out).

But while the lies are easily explainable, what is more surprising is that the soldiers are blaming just Tepco instead of everyone in their chain of command for putting them in the line of gamma radiation fire.

San Francisco Attorney Charles Bonner,who is representing allegedly cancer-stricken sailors, initially filed a federal suit in the Southern District of California more than a year ago on behalf of a dozen sailors. The lawsuit was initially dismissed, when the court ruled that any ruling would hinge on interpreting communication between the Japanese and U.S. governments, which could violate the separation of powers. But Bonner is amending the suit to add new allegations that would fall under the court's jurisdiction. And the number of plaintives has more than quadrupled as more service members come forward with radiation-related illnesses, he said.

“They went in to help with rescue efforts," said Bonner, who plans to refile the suit on Jan. 6. "They did not go in prepared to deal with radiation containment.”

The plaintiffs don't blame the U.S. Navy, which they believe acted in good faith, Bonner said. It was the plant's operators who sat on the meltdown information during the crucial hours following the March 11, 2011 disaster, he said.

“TEPCO pursued a policy which caused rescuers, including the plaintiffs, to rush into an unsafe area which was too close to the [Fukushima nuclear power plant] that had been damaged,” Bonner charged in an April filing now being updated to add more plaintiffs. “Relying upon the misrepresentation regarding health and safety made by TEPCO, upon information and belief, the U.S. Navy was lulled into a false sense of security.

“The officers and crew of the U.S.S. Reagan (CVN-76) and other vessels believed that it was safe to operate within the waters adjacent to the FNPP, without doing the kinds of research and testing that would have verified the problems known to the defendant TEPCO at the time.”

Nathan Piekutoski, 22, who served aboard the USS Essex, which was in the same deployment as the Reagan, said sailors had no choice but to trust what they were told.

“They did say it was safe at the time,” Piekutoski said. “We had to take their word for it.”

Piekutowski says he suffered from leukemia and, while he is currently in remission, Doctors have told him that he may need a bone marrow transplant.

“Within a few months I started getting all these weird symptoms," he recalled of the months following the disaster response. "Night sweats. Not sleeping. I started losing a lot of weight.

“It’s one of those things," he added. "You’re angry that it happens but we had to go. It was our duty. I joined the military to help people in need.”

A spokesperson for the Department of Defense declined to comment on the pending lawsuit, but told the Pentagon has been monitoring and collecting data on radiation exposure in the region.

Needless to say, the criminals at Tepco have nothing to say:

TEPCO officials did not respond to requests for comment. But a recent admission before members of the Japanese press on Dec. 12 during a meeting at the Tokyo Press Club, former Prime Minister Naoto Jan said the first meltdown occurred five hours after the tsunami, not the next day as reported at the time. 


Bonner alleges that the statement means that the Japanese government knew radiation was being leaked and did not inform the U.S. Navy.


“They knew there was an active meltdown and they deliberately hid it from the public as well as the Navy,” Bonner said. “Those sailors went in there totally unaware and they were contaminated as a result.”


Plym says she is prepared to have her symptoms question in court, should the case go to trial. But with so many U.S. sailors coming forward, she believes justice will prevail.


“People will say that out lawsuit is fake and that we are doing this for money, but it’s really about getting the correct information out there,” Plym said.

And now back to a mythical reality in which insolvent governments tell the "truth" about the true, and very deplorable, state of affairs just behind the peeing facade. In the meantime, to all the sailors whose only crime was believing their criminal, corrupt superiors: our condolences.


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Sat, 12/21/2013 - 22:35 | 4267509 HedgeAccordingly
Sat, 12/21/2013 - 22:40 | 4267513 stacking12321
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sad story.

i would feel sorry for these people if they weren't part of an armed gang that terrorizes and kills innocent people, and destroys lives.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 22:45 | 4267534 Dr. Engali
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You're an idiot.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 22:57 | 4267574 max2205
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I see a political push after this.....BP should have been bankrupted after the spill....which is closer and worse...ACA .....let a bunch of sailor watch nuc tests without horrible are those that run this country....hello...anyone?

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 23:00 | 4267577 flacon
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There's an inverse leveraged ETF for this, right? Anyone know the ticker symbol? 

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 23:22 | 4267627 macholatte
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In the big picture of it all $110M in damages is chicken feed...... however, the scum responsible for the damage (manslaughter) will fight it to the bitter end. The victims will likely be long dead before any settlement is made.


Maybe the entire TepCo board should spend a couple weeks doing site clean up.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 23:26 | 4267636 fonzannoon
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Sounds like the script for "The Rainmaker 2" starring Matt Damon

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 23:30 | 4267647 Fukushima Sam
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I'm sure radiation had nothing to do with these illnesses.  You know bananas have radiation in them, right?

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 23:50 | 4267689 Jam
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Really? Maybe that's what is wrong with Barry and the gang.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 02:33 | 4267917 El Oregonian
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If you really wanted to arrest the real culprites start with the banksters. Move across to the military industrial complex, then swoop down on those slimy "6%ers" in congress and stinking sacks'o-shits in the Admin.

It's not much, but it's a start...

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 03:02 | 4267945 The Heart
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When ideas are seeds...soon they become actions above ground.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 06:50 | 4268088 negative rates
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Our leaders also ignored the internal warnings of our nuclear power plant vulnerablility, they just havn't had to answer to the consequences of the current faulty GE design. And GE still hasn't admitted defeat when it comes to the fukishima design, although they are sitting on similar ones right here in the go ol usa. Do you suppose they don't know what to do about it all, so remain silent when questioned and simply pray at night to keep getting paid another day.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 08:05 | 4268147 GetZeeGold
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Pretty sure Johnny didn't join the Navy to work for Tepco.


Doesn't Japan have a Navy?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 10:41 | 4268275 jbvtme
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march 11 is the date of the earthquake. 3/11=33. this was a masonic hit just like jfk (11/22).

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 11:27 | 4268339 BaBaBouy
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The Only Thing i Can Ask Myself Is WHY IS JAPAN Still SOLVENT ???

What King Of A Fucked Up World Financial System Assigns So Much
Value To That Disaster Of A Place???

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 12:32 | 4268442 Divided States ...
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I am surprised I dont hear any news from the Japanese media on how many people  have developed cancer over in Japan...I am sure they are covering that up as well.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 07:29 | 4270333 Short Memories
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The picture in this article is BS though. Read about the obsolete unit of the RAD and what it's about (absorbed radiation) and look at what the pic is trying to tell you. More FUD.

No one with real knowledge about what was going on would use this legend or scale.

That said, I'll be interested in following the sailors stories to see how they pan out. Tepco is still lying regardless of the BS pic


Mon, 12/23/2013 - 00:00 | 4269957 slvrizgold
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No, they don't have a navy really.  They just pay for ours.  See, they print these worthless pieces of paper called "Yen" out of thin air, and then use them to buy Treasury bonds so we can waste hundreds of billions of dollars on defense every year.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 04:55 | 4268026 ebworthen
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"Hey, let's have the Olympics in Japan!"


Yes, I like the idea of starting with the banksters and working down.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 12:33 | 4268443 ronaldawg
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Anytime I hear a lawyer say that a lawsuit is not about the 'money' my head starts to hurt.   Such BS.  If you are in the military, the government owns you.  The service provides your medical care. 

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 13:34 | 4268604 scraping_by
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And we're supposed to own the service.

Spending lives of fellow citizens for no national reason is bad PR. Embarassment might make a change. If they have enough humanity to worry about that.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 14:11 | 4268707 ronaldawg
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Is there a point you are making?  The military throws lives away everyday with little or no consequence.  A scapegoat is usually asked to retire.

The Commander in Chief is ultimately responsible, which is Obama.   When has he ever been held responsible for anything.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 23:53 | 4267691 Dr. Engali
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Ann is that you ?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 02:57 | 4267946 Harbanger
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Dr. Engali, The master of evil from Johny Sokko series.  Is that you?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:17 | 4267819 Harbanger
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I'm not taking sides yet, I don't have enough information.  All I have to  say for now is, we're living in end days of a litigious society.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:32 | 4267844 Harbanger
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Can I get an argument so we can teach?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 02:03 | 4267888 Harbanger
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Win an argument? No!  We down vote -5 so far cause it hurt our feelings.  What is this, fight club?  I'll send 10 bitcoins to the 1st bitch that can win an argument  That'll get the hoes motivated.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 03:07 | 4267955 The Heart
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Hey Har,

U B undrr A-tack by the isreali multi-downarrowing program they developed for just this purpose. It is really only one pointed headed ziolizard sitting in a shirthol somewhere being paid by your tax dollars at work. Where else in the world can you be, where your own babylonian govt has declared war on YOU!

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 03:24 | 4267974 Harbanger
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No.  It's our unconsciousness.  I learn from every experience, I've lived thru hell on earth.  Against all odds, I've been preserved to this day for his purpose.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 09:47 | 4268234 cornflakesdisease
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When you were born, you parents didn;t know whether to throw away you or the afterbirth.  Actually, they could tell which was which.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 06:54 | 4268089 negative rates
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We are living in the end days period.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 13:36 | 4268610 scraping_by
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In this case, private legal work is replacing public.

This should be law and policy by our elected officials. Instead, they have to be whipped at to do their jobs.

Motivation, mostly public image damage.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 13:28 | 4268582 Freedom Isnt Cheap
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As someone who has served on a similar class Aircraft Carrier CVN-73 it is not surprising to me. The carrier goes through a huge volume of water each day that is pulled in from the ocean and run through the desalination plant. This is water that is then piped throughout the ship for drinking, cooking food in the galley's, showering, ect. It is your main source of water. It is not surprising that it would be contaminated as a result of the meltdown. I am surprised that the ships own nuclear detectors did not pick up the radioactive signatures. Also, I would expect a much higher level of radioactive illnesses being reported considering the carrier has roughly 5,000 sailors on board. Unless they were told not to discuss this and that it is now considered classified information. There may be more illnesses then what is currently reported and I wonder if any of these people in the lawsuit are still on active duty or if they have been discharged and able to discuss their particular illness.


Sun, 12/22/2013 - 14:01 | 4268680 Nick Jihad
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Does the desalinization plant work thru distillation? Because that would remove radioctive isotopes the same way that salt is removed.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 15:00 | 4268802 The Heart
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"There may be more illnesses then what is currently reported and I wonder if any of these people in the lawsuit are still on active duty or if they have been discharged and able to discuss their particular illness."

Yay Freedom!

Yes, like in japan, more sickness than is being reported. Soon, the light/knowledge will overflow and people will finally realize how bad and how many are sick and dying in regards to this horrendous holocaust in japan, and on the US west coast.

Of course, careful observations over the last almost three years of radiation checking indicates that the folks on the eastern and north eastern parts of the US are getting hit harder than the poor innocent victims on the west coast. Believe it, or not.

The way things are going with the total lack of attention and control of this evil murderous rothschild human killing tool, the people of the earth have about five years left before the total Extinction of the human species.

Read em, and weep.



Sun, 12/22/2013 - 17:21 | 4269159 Exponere Mendaces
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See, this is what I don't get. If they had detection devices, why didn't the concentration cause an alarm? Are we advertising the fact that someone could just let go a nice nasty plume of polonium or other agent and poison an entire ship that easily?

Either something isn't being communicated here, like a low-bid contractor implementation of the devices, or some chain-of-command failure is being covered up and we're not getting the whole story here.

Or every US Navy ship could be put out of service by a dedicated snorkler and a fistful of radioactive matter, which is too crazy to even believe.


Sun, 12/22/2013 - 18:41 | 4269338 emersonreturn
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freedom isn't cheap,


thank you for the insight.  i feel very sorry for those aboard the ship, for the people living near fukus, and the pacific ocean and west coast of NA...but i wonder if the reason the ship was so close to fukus may;ve had something do with the sort of site fukus was/is?  if the navy was present because it produced weapon grade?

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 04:42 | 4270237 matrix2012
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yeah emerson you nail it


* "Japan has the bomb. Israel did the testing."


United States Circumvented Laws To Help Japan Accumulate Tons of Plutonium


The United States deliberately allowed Japan access to the United States’ most secret nuclear weapons facilities while it transferred tens of billions of dollars worth of American tax paid research that has allowed Japan to amass 70 tons of weapons grade plutonium since the 1980s, a National Security News Service investigation reveals. These activities repeatedly violated U.S. laws regarding controls of sensitive nuclear materials that could be diverted to weapons programs in Japan. The NSNS investigation found that the United States has known about a secret nuclear weapons program in Japan since the 1960s, according to CIA reports.


A year ago a natural disaster combined with a man-made tragedy decimated Northern Japan and came close to making Tokyo, a city of 30 million people, uninhabitable. Nuclear tragedies plague Japan’s modern history. It is the only nation in the world attacked with nuclear weapons. In March 2011, after a tsunami swept on shore, hydrogen explosions and the subsequent meltdowns of three reactors at the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant spewed radiation across the region. Like the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan will face the aftermath for generations. A twelve-mile area around the site is considered uninhabitable. It is a national sacrifice zone.


How Japan ended up in this nuclear nightmare is a subject the National Security News Service has been investigating since 1991. We learned that Japan had a DUAL USE nuclear program. The public program was to develop and provide unlimited energy for the country. But there was also a secret component, an undeclared nuclear weapons program that would allow Japan to amass enough nuclear material and technology to become a major nuclear power on short notice.


That secret effort was hidden in a nuclear power program that by March 11, 2011– the day the earthquake and tsunami overwhelmed the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Plant – had amassed 70 metric tons of plutonium. Like its use of civilian nuclear power to hide a secret bomb program, Japan used peaceful space exploration as a cover for developing sophisticated nuclear weapons delivery systems.


Political leaders in Japan understood that the only way the Japanese people could be convinced to allow nuclear power into their lives was if a long line of governments and industry hid any military application. For that reason, a succession of Japanese governments colluded on a bomb program disguised as innocent energy and civil space programs. The irony, of course, is that Japan had gone to war in 1941 to secure its energy future only to become the sole nation attacked with nuclear weapons.


By Joseph Trento, on April 9th, 2012

National Security News Service

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 22:52 | 4269795 HardAssets
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The first thing I thought is that there is something about this that doesn't smell right. As you mentioned there was a US nuke carrier involved CVN-76. There are crew members aboard that ship with the knowledge and equipment to test for nuclear contamination. They knew there was an accident and supposedly just accepted the word of Japanese TEPCO officials ?


Sun, 12/22/2013 - 10:45 | 4268300 applelover
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even if tepco gets fined, seems unlikely anyone will go to jail.  i dont see the same culture as in the book Shogun where japanese took responsbility for their error and comitted suicide

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 00:03 | 4267716 WillyGroper
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Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:29 | 4267838 DaveyJones
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I'm starting to suspect that governments don't care about people

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:35 | 4267854 Harbanger
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If it weren't for gov caring about us and the chillin, we've be overrun by greedy bastards.  Yes, No?  Tell me why?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:41 | 4267861 DaveyJones
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so that's why they're greedy. They never knew their real father.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:43 | 4267867 Harbanger
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That went over me head, slow down.  I'm a little dense.  I kinda think I know what you meant, but I don't wanna read into it.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:50 | 4267872 Harbanger
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I love playing fools like a fiddle.  Just saying.  Not directed at you per se, just fools in general.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 02:17 | 4267902 nightshiftsucks
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So what are you saying,you're a fool and like to play with yourself ?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 02:38 | 4267922 Harbanger
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Yes +1 to build your confidence, now ask another question.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 03:05 | 4267952 Harbanger
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This little test helped me further understand Bernays, propaganda and sheperding.  For those who are wondering where we're going, Hard Right MoFos.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 04:38 | 4268013 Harbanger
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I gave myself a -1 immediately after posting on all my comments except the last comment, for anyone wondering.  Damn the mindless sheep.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 07:44 | 4268124 samcontrol
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you are just going to be ignored by most and red arrowed by many..

my take is ...
q culeado q SOS.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 14:21 | 4268724 ronaldawg
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Look - over there!    Joo squirrel......

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 13:52 | 4268653 FeralSerf
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It's been going on for a lot longer than Bernays.  The Sheep even recite the mind-control over and over on Sunday.  For example:


"The Lord is my Shepherd; I shall not want.
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures:
He leadeth me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul:
He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for His name' sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil: For thou art with me;
Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies;
Thou annointest my head with oil; My cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life,
 and I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever." 

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 12:39 | 4268452 ronaldawg
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Whoa there Harbanger, you can only blame the bankers here and the mythical TPTB.  

Wear thôse down votes as a badge of honor.....

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 23:07 | 4267600 DoChenRollingBearing
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They are pretty damn bad, max2205.  Everywhere.  That includes Peru, pezez...

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 09:57 | 4268249 The Gooch
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OT: Al Sharpton gets his ass handed to him in Chicago town hall.


Sun, 12/22/2013 - 12:26 | 4268434 Baldrick
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That is excellent!

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 00:14 | 4267735 Freddie
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BP was a stuxnet event.  Since Carter - how many wells have been drilled over the past 35+ years in the Gulf?  Tens of thousands?  One major blowout in the 1970s by Pemex.  Cameron International blow preventers failing?  The Obam Admin aka Coast Guard denying Holland's offer to fix it, which probably would have taken a few weeks?  Buffetts company that makes Corexit.   Odd how Buffett bought Nalco not long before the blowout.


As far as the sailors harmed during the Navy?  Another example of Washington,DC, the Pentagaon and NWO selling out America's soldiers and sailors. McCain's old man was good at that.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 03:13 | 4267963 The Heart
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"As far as the sailors harmed during the Navy?  Another example of Washington,DC, the Pentagaon and NWO selling out America's soldiers and sailors. McCain's old man was good at that."

Everybody knows, but nobody cares.


Sun, 12/22/2013 - 04:16 | 4268004 EasterBunny
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So, does this mean that the floating fortress of an aircraft carrier had no Geiger counter of its own?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 09:13 | 4268196 IrritableBowels
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They have a plethora of radiation and contamination monitoring devices.  My question is why in the fuck are fucking QUARTERMASTERS assisting and not ELT's??? 



Sun, 12/22/2013 - 12:39 | 4268455 ronaldawg
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'Cause they're BLACK?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 22:35 | 4269758 PrintemDano
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This story doesn't pass the smell test.  No facts, just innuendo .  The Aircraft Carrier has plenty of radiation monitoring.  ELT's would certainly have been involved.  I call BS.


Sun, 12/22/2013 - 17:54 | 4269217 Gamma735
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Geiger counters do not measure hot particles(radioactive isotopes) that the crew ingested through contaminated air and water.  Those particles get absorbed by the body and do damage to nearby cells until those isotopes are fully decayed. 

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 18:05 | 4269246 ronaldawg
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What?  With all the NBC training we received in the military?  

Aren't the particles called 'hot' because they have radiation emanating from them?

This isn't the USS Pueblo but one of the most modern flagships in the US Navy.  They train for NBC situations constantly.   The ship would have known about the radiation conditions better than the Japanese would.

Why, because this supercarrier is nuclear powered.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:32 | 4267847 ich1baN
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They are both pretty bad.... I lived in the epicenter of BP.... it wasn't nearly as bad as what people made it out to be. I'm from the gulf coast and within 1 year of the event there is literally no trace of it on our shores. Although pretty bad, it was totally blown out of proportion and there are virtually no impacts to the enviornment now.

Fukushima is 100x worse than BP, it is impacting seaweed and seafood with radiation and will continue to do so for probably quite a while. 

There are easily 1000x more people that will be impacted by Fukushima for a much longer time than BP, because the Pacific ocean is pretty much impacted up to 80% and the whole world eats seafood from the Pacific ocean.

So yea..... 

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 10:55 | 4268309 Race Car Driver
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> Although pretty bad, it was totally blown out of proportion and there are virtually no impacts to the enviornment now.

Yeah, well ... you can eat the fish. I'll pass.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 11:42 | 4268361 Oldwood
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The good of the one or even a significant portion of our population will never, ever, outweigh the good of the collective (as interpreted by those wise and elite chosen ones looking out for our own good). We are disposable and only have value when it is time to vote or they have a taste for our "meat".

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 12:35 | 4268446 Uncle Remus
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Fascism will do that.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 22:58 | 4267578 Yen Cross
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  I love you Doc! I didn't think you had it in ya.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 23:41 | 4267668 Dr. Engali
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It's not my preference to address people in such a manner. I typically like to let them prove my point in their own. But every once in a while somebody will say something so ridiculously stupid that I just have to call a spade a spade.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 00:05 | 4267721 Yen Cross
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   No need to explain Doc.   I'll see you at 23:59 GMT Christmas Eve. ;-)

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:54 | 4267811 gallistic
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"I just have to call a spade a spade"

Well good for you Doc. You just won yourself a little gold star for defending them doe-eyed innocent boys and girls who just like to ride around the world on an enormous weapons platform performing humanitarian missions.

Fukushima caused radiation poisoning inadvertently due to a natural disaster damaging the reactors.

The US military's use of depleted Uranium is FULLY AND COMPLETELY DELIBERATE. There are currently enormous amounts of DU in Iraq and Afghanistan. The consequences have been horrific and devastating for entire generations of people.

Does that qualify as a spade?

The poster you responded to said- "i would feel sorry for these people if they weren't part of an armed gang that terrorizes and kills innocent people, and destroys lives."

Maybe calling them a gang is not accurate, since the Navy is hardly a "gang"; they are one of the branches of the US military.

Leaving that aside, the USS Reagan supported operations in OIF and OEF. Do you seriously doubt that they have "terrorized and killed innocent people, and destroyed lives"?

Is that a false statement that is not a spade?

That guy might have a point and not be the "idiot" that you make him out to be.

As the devil's advocate, I am interested to know your thoughts.





Sun, 12/22/2013 - 03:44 | 4267987 The Heart
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"That guy might have a point and not be the "idiot" that you make him out to be."

Darn, just when one thinks they have logged out of ZH.

Ya ever notice that after seeing heavy chemtrailing all over new mexico, utah, arizona, colorado, montana, it just slowly floats back east and just before the sickness hits so many with coughs and flu-like symptoms that seem to never go away...shabam...comes up anger fast! No?

Like all the expressions of most normal spiritual beings having a human experience; there are only two places in which we all come from. You are coming from a place of Love, or you are coming from a place of fear. For all to ask of the mirror in the morning, :"where am I coming from?"

And then ask, where are the actions of WARMONGERING coming from? Love, or fear?

Does it feel better to embrace Love in the Heart? Or to chase it a round and a round in the brain?


Go thee forth and ponder, ye.



Sun, 12/22/2013 - 02:10 | 4267894 stacking12321
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doc, the only thing you've proven, is that you're unable to form a cogent counter-point, and choose to resort to name-calling instead.

so, if you want to talk about idiots, look in the mirror.

it's ok to disagree with someone's views, but this isn't fifth grade, you need to do better.


Sun, 12/22/2013 - 09:38 | 4268227 Dan Duncan
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Doc's point--perhaps--is that by your logic, the Fukushima 50 "got what they deserved"--all the way down to the midling employees who, despite having no authority in establsihing TEPCO policy, nevertheless stayed on site to try and contain the crisis.  

Continuing down this path, it's also not a terribly big leap to state that by your logic---and al Qaeda's--the people incinerated in the Twin Towers "were willing participants in a corrupt political system and therefore---got what they deserved."

The "victims" of those London bombings? The U.K is nothing but a US satellite and these people benefited either directly or indirectly from Lodon's role as the Center of Finance, ergo--they got what they deserved.

Of course, I could go on and on listing all those people who "gots to be got", but we've all gots better things to do.

So Doc called you an "idiot", and yes this is not correct--- as it is not what you deserve.

You're an ignorant smug asshole. And that is what you deserve.

Cogent enough for you?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 10:17 | 4268276 johny2
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You need to understand the point first. It has been explained in simple terms above, here is another attempt:


US soldiers use depleted Uranium without any regard for the innocent civilian population, so when they get poisoned by radioactivity while on duty, it should be accepted as an optional thing whether to feel sorry for them. Live by the sword, die by the sword and all that. 

Fukushima 50 have got nothing to do with spreading radioactive substances in other countries, so they are completely different case, and they deserve recognition for their sacrifice and courage.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 11:52 | 4268381 WillyGroper
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That is assuming they KNOW it. 

Chances are the chain of command isolates & keeps information on a need to know basis. Mainly higher up the pyramid.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 14:28 | 4268732 johny2
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It is widely known fact that the depleted uranium munitions are used by US army, and very few soldiers have left the US army in protest of it.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 15:28 | 4268863 The Heart
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"and very few soldiers have left the US army in protest of it."

Yes, true that Joney2.

But the sad truth is, they have not "left" the army because of the DU, they have died from it.

Just another of the methodologies the babylonian empire of dust has used to kill off the American military just before the planed crash and communist takeover of the formally free USA.

Things to come, and has any one ever read Sir Jack McLamb's "Vampire Killer?"


Sun, 12/22/2013 - 12:59 | 4268488 gallistic
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Duncan, I am going to quit playing devil's advocate on this one, but before I do, I must point out that you set up a strawman and proceded to pound it mercilessly.

There is a clear difference between what stacking12321 said and what you say he said.

"i would feel sorry for these people if they weren't part of an armed gang that terrorizes and kills innocent people, and destroys lives."

Essentially he says- I do not feel sorry for these people because they are agents of destruction.

HE DID NOT SAY- "they got what they deserved because they are agents of destruction".

You built everything else on the basis of your strawman and went reductio ad absurdum. Go back and look at it. You will quickly realize it.

Allright, I am done; this horse appears to have rigor mortis.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 09:24 | 4268203 tmosley
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Sorry, I guess I'm an idiot too.

Kevin Smith put a nice allegory relating to what we are talking about in the original Clerks movie.  Note, however, that we aren't talking about independent contractors on the Death Star/aircraft carrier, but rather about the storm troopers themselves, who signed up knowing that they were signing their lives away to the .gov, and that they would henceforth be dogs of the military.

If these had been draftees, I could see your point, but people who sign up to be a cog in the most powerful murder machine in history really aren't the most deserving of sympathy.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 09:54 | 4268247 johny2
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I would like to see Japan pay out over 100 million USD to these soldiers, 57 or however many of them. And than I would like to see USA pay out proportionally same damages to all and many innocent victims of USA army. 



Sun, 12/22/2013 - 11:59 | 4268395 Oldwood
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Then we should equally except that we are ALL responsible for EVERYTHING as we are willing participants in the world around us. While military volunteers may be living in delusion, most believe they are serving us, not looking for an excuse to harm anyone. If it makes you feel better about youself, some how superior or enlightened to look down on others, its your choice, but speaking for myself, that is the number one scourge on the planet today. Everyone thinks they know more and are entitled to impose their values on others.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 22:04 | 4269687 BigJim
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 If it makes you feel better about youself, some how superior or enlightened to look down on others, its your choice, but speaking for myself, that is the number one scourge on the planet today.

I'd prefer to be looked down upon by someone who thought s/he was my superior, but let me get on with my life, than have a gun pointed at me and told what to do by some earnest prick who believes we're all equal... so I'd better obey the collective.

 Everyone thinks they know more and are entitled to impose their values on others.

Imposing their values on others... yes... I guess that pretty much sums up NATO today. God know they aren't defending us when they go around invading Iraq and Afganistan and killing, maiming and displacing millions of people.

 While military volunteers may be living in delusion, most believe they are serving us, not looking for an excuse to harm anyone.

Yes, I'll bet if you could go back in time and interview the average Nazi stormtrooper, he would have believed he was 'serving his country', too. God you are such an idiot. People in the military are serving their countries' elites' interests, not 'their countries'. Can you really not tell the difference?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 23:42 | 4269924 tmosley
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Really? People's FEELINGS are the number one scourge on the planet?

I think you need to get your fucking priorities straight.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 09:33 | 4270482 Pseudonymous
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While it is true that there is plenty of false self-righteousness out there, I don't see anything wrong with stating one's principles, values, traditions, ideas and even scorning the principles, values, traditions, ideas that are in conflict with theirs. One simply cannot behave reactively, out of spite, just watching what areas others focus effort on (i.e. ideology, values, etc.) and then purposefully neglecting those areas. That's like leaving a market because there is too much foolish dumping. Someone has got to buy the low at some point.

Also, from my observations, this scourge is actually not as prevalent among many people as you suggest (certainly not "everyone"). Maybe it's those few that make it up in spades that leave you with that impression.

entitled to impose their values on others

I think herein lies the key. It so happens that a prevalent and thus seemingly undisputed tradition in our society is the concept of initiation of force, be it in a controlled and limited manner, for achieving some purposes. Given that it is undisputed by the majority, I can bet that the self-righteous people that have put you off so much accept this very concept, be it implicitly. And I am not sure whether or not you have this concept in mind when you say "impose".

One thing is for sure though. If one believes that initiation of force is wrong and unacceptable (I certainly do) it makes no difference whether it is in the context of penalties for refusal to pay taxes or a bar argument or world revolution. Other peaceful and honest methods of pressure are OK though. In other words, I believe that it is not about dealing with dissenters, but rather about not dealing with them. But talking to sentient but aggressive people shouldn't do any harm.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 06:05 | 4270281 matrix2012
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just want to jump in with few lines :-)


(1) some, or even many American folks, implicitly or explicitly, still deem the military men as the defender of the nation, of the freedom, of the democracy....(just fill in the label) (not sure defending from whom; who is the invader anyhow?)

while looking into the other direction regarding those dirty assignments of theirs, DU usage, bombing the civilians/kids/wedding parties, playing bogeyman roles for imperialist purposes, etc etc etc


(2) the facts that not many good paid jobs are available in USA today, wearing the uniform earns one a relatively good pay, and entitles to many fringe benefits incl. the lifetime membership to access the free facilities at the many military bases around the world (what's it called?). These benefits explain why many voluntarily seeking the military jobs.

Just imagine, for example a quartermaster in a massive supercarrier, a position that is supposed to be pretty safe, a much better job than ending up in those wall mart stores, fast food chains or burger flipping...

and unless the USA is fighting any comparable, formidable opponent; fighting the cavemen in Afghan or bombing the shits out from Gaddhafi or Saddam Hussein's asymmetric forces are not indeed wars, they're just naked raping one-way salvos :-)

So, in short, a safe job with low risk, handsomely paid with the many fringe benefits plus even some lifetime sweeteners...



Sat, 12/21/2013 - 23:42 | 4267666 exartizo
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Sun, 12/22/2013 - 02:55 | 4267939 The Heart
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Tit for tat...not gonna help those who are suffering.

Everybody knows it is all part of a larger program to get rid of all the American military just before the coming crash and babylonian take over. Soon, the death of America as many grew up and knew her and then what...tit for tat?

The really really sad part is, by the time this goes to a court, the entire human species will be dead. All as perfectly planed of course.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 10:32 | 4268287 chubbar
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OT, but while we were sleeping guess what was snuck through the house and senate?


While everyone is distracted with the holiday festivities, Congress has been hard at work, screwing us over in the name of national security.

Yesterday the 2014 National Defense Authorization Act was fast-tracked through the Senate, with no time for discussion or amendments.  And you know, its Christmastime, so they just passed it so that they could recess for the holidays. The new version of the NDAA has already been quietly passed by the House of Representatives.

It authorizes massive spending, including $527 billion in base defense spending for the current fiscal year, funding for the war in Afghanistan, and funding for nuclear weapons programs.

The indefinite detention allowed by the original NDAA is still here, and it’s actually worse now, because there are provisions that will make it easier for the government to target those who disagree.  Section 1071 outlines the creation of the “Conflict Records Research Center”, where the unconstitutionally obtained information that the NSA has collected is compiled and shared with the Department of Defense.  The information, called in the wording  “captured records,” can be anything from your phone records, emails, browsing history or posts on social media sites.

The New American reports in detail on the expansion of powers:

For two years, the NDAA included provisions that purported to authorize the president of the United States to deploy the U.S. military to apprehend and indefinitely detain any person (including an American citizen) who he believes “represent[s] an enduring security threat to the United States.”

Such an immense grant of power is not only unconscionable, but unconstitutional, as well.

Regardless of promises to the contrary made every year since 2011 by President Obama, the language of the NDAA places every citizen of the United States within the universe of potential “covered persons.” Any American could one day find himself or herself branded a “belligerent” and thus subject to the complete confiscation of his or her constitutional civil liberties and to nearly never-ending incarceration in a military prison.

Finally, there is in the NDAA for 2014 a frightening fusion of the federal government’s constant surveillance of innocent Americans and the assistance it will give to justifying the indefinite detention of anyone labeled an enemy of the regime.

Section 1071 of the version of the 2014 NDAA approved by the House and Senate committees this week expands on the scope of surveillance established by the Patriot Act and the Authorization for the Use of Military Force (AUMF).

Section 1071(a) authorizes the secretary of defense to “establish a center to be known as the ‘Conflict Records Research Center.’” According to the text of the latest version of the NDAA, the center’s task would be to compile a “digital research database including translations and to facilitate research and analysis of records captured from countries, organizations, and individuals, now or once hostile to the United States.”

In order to accomplish the center’s purpose, the secretary of defense will create an information exchange in cooperation with the director of national intelligence.

Key to the functioning of this information exchange will be the collection of “captured records.” Section 1071(g)(1), defines a captured record as “a document, audio file, video file, or other material captured during combat operations from countries, organizations, or individuals, now or once hostile to the United States.”

When read in conjunction with the provision of the AUMF that left the War on Terror open-ended and the prior NDAAs’ classification of the United States as a battleground in that unconstitutional war, and you’ve got a powerful combination that can knock out the entire Bill of Rights.

Finally, when all the foregoing is couched within the context of the revelations regarding the dragnet surveillance programs of the NSA, it becomes evident that anyone’s phone records, e-mail messages, browsing history, text messages, and social media posts could qualify as a “captured record.”

After being seized by the NSA (or some other federal surveillance apparatus), the materials would be processed by the Conflict Records Research Center created by this bill. This center’s massive database of electronic information and its collaboration with the NSA converts the United States into a constantly monitored holding cell and all its citizens and residents into suspects. All, of course, in the name of the security of the homeland. (source)

One thing that was omitted is the amendment on the prosecution of sexual assaults in the military.  So, we can all be locked up indefinitely for crimes that haven’t been proven, but they don’t care so much if military members continue to rape other military members."

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Sun, 12/22/2013 - 10:53 | 4268311 negative rates
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We had to pass it so you could find out what's in it (snicker snicker) is the new standard these days. We don't have the time or patience to discuss the right or wrong of it, so since we know the majority of elites are always right this efficient system is here to stay, as is the screwing over of the middle class.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 11:59 | 4268393 WillyGroper
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That's why Harry was so exhausted.

Guess someone ain't gonna take a cotton to all them thar political jokes floatin around out thar.

We truly are prisoners.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 12:41 | 4268459 Milestones
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Tyler: I hope to hell you have read the above post. If accurate, we can begin the countdown soon; all the pieces now seem to be in place.

Load and lock will become the battle cry of those will the balls to stand and fight. 10% would carry the day I think. Despite all the doom and gloom folks, these people are not 10 feet tall and immune from deadly harm.

Our sunrise is just ahead I am afraid.                            MIlestones

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 13:44 | 4268633 Freedom Isnt Cheap
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I don't see that being their intentions. Laws are all about intent hence one of the main functions of our Supreme Court, to determine legislative intent and how it conforms to our Constitution and its intent.

Now with that being said it doesn't take much for the Feds to get involved if they want to. All they have to say is it is a National Security issue and your ass is theirs.

All they have to say is it falls in the realm of a terroristic threat of domestic nature and it becomes a federal case if they want it to.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 22:03 | 4269688 piceridu
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Doc, if you think about it for more than a kneejerk second...he's right.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 22:48 | 4267535 LetThemEatRand
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I'm pretty sure these guys were trying to save lives, not take them.  Oh, and they are human beings, many of whom joined up because they believed in a cause (and in this case they were trying to save people, so I guess they got that right too).

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 23:00 | 4267582 Barry Freed
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You are worthless.

Nothing ever matters less then what you "are trying" to do or what your intent is, what matters is what you actually do. 

Yes, they are human beings, like everyone else.  The worst people in history have all been human beings.

"They believed in a cause".  Again, absolutey idiocy.  Hitler believed in a cause too.

It's sad that these guys got cancer, just like its sad when anyone gets cancer, but lets not excuse them for picking up a gun and doing the will of the government just because they are naive or misguided.  We are all responsible for our actions, regardless of how ignorant or misinformed we are.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 23:03 | 4267589 Zero Debt
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Hitler's rise to power was a huge boon to the German economy. The nazis put 3,5m people to work in one year. The bankers hated the nazis, do you know why? I think you got to read up on this one, really.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 23:13 | 4267612 NoDebt
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I would just like to point out that I am not this guy.  I don't want there to be any confusion like MillionDollarBonus vs. MillionDollarBogus.... I don't want any of that shit starting with me.  


Sun, 12/22/2013 - 00:09 | 4267728 SmackDaddy
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ask the fucking nazis how the economy was in '45

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:08 | 4267805 worbsid
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A dozen or so Nazis were tried and convicted and there weren't any others that they could find.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 05:41 | 4268054 ManWithaPlan
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It was on fire!

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 07:41 | 4268120 Tsukato
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Try asking yourself, how much better we might be off, if they had won. Hint (a solvent country, no Middle eastern wars, media controlled by americans, no Obama as pres., no Fed, no Gman sachs,  etc)

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 09:45 | 4268229 tmosley
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Yeah, because the economy was just a-boomin' in the fascist country that was left to its own devices.

Jesus fuck, are we in trouble.  Lots of people pining for fucking Nazism lately, and on multiple websites that aren't related to one another.  National SOCIALISM was socialism, and would have collapsed all on its own.  The reason it looked like a success was that they produced a Keynesian bubble, then filled it in with stolen gold from across Europe.  That is NOT a sustainable business model.  They ran out of gold to steal, and their production collapsed.  It doesn't matter whether there is an evil, evil Jew in charge of your economy or not.  It is the POLICY that matters.  Japan proves that pretty well, unless this guys middle name is Schlomo:

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 19:26 | 4268475 spanish inquisition
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Interesting observation on your surfing coming up with similar ideology. How different are the websites you are visiting relating to the ideology stated, do they match up? It got me thinking about what I am seeing and I will make up what I think is going on...

I wonder if we are seeing an evolution of paid propaganda in the US ala Israel? Instead of traditional trolling of financial and political sites,  the targets are pinterest, craigslist, educational forums and secondary web sites. For lack of a better word, lets call it DeepTrolling. The purpose is to steer public opinion to a specific idea. If you were the Financial Military Industrial complex, it would be a way to start the groundswell to eliminating your biggest threat by formally eliminating the constitution. 

Unpossible? The current long range plan of the FED, BIS, BOE is a over 100 years in....

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 00:36 | 4270021 Tsukato
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Why the link to info on Franco's Spain?! Hitler was in Germany. Do you really feel there is no difference between the Spanish and Germans?' Haha! That's rich! Why stop there? Why not push that Minnesota swedes are the same as Mexicans? Norwegians the same as Nigerians? The Dutch and the Dagon? Must be a pretty place, where you park your brain.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 07:55 | 4268133 samcontrol
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vat ecónomi ? brick removal ?

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 00:40 | 4270028 Tsukato
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If the Germans had won, I doubt there would be a need for BRIC removal. As it stands, the chosen tribe is steering us toward a bloody future of trying to knock those brics down a couple notches. Yeah, hitler was a maniac for trying to rid his country of the most beneficial of races. Hahaha! Fucking morons.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 12:40 | 4268449 Uncle Remus
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Bullish. Ask Wernher.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 22:13 | 4269713 BigJim
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It wasn't so great by '38, either.

The Nazi economic 'miracle' was, like all miracles, bullshit.

In this case, the Nazis were the ultimate 'Wartime Keynesians' and deficit-spent themselves out of their gold reserves by building up their military to the point no one wanted to sell them the materials they required to perpetute their industries. They essentially HAD to go to war, or face economic collapse.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 00:19 | 4269990 Tsukato
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They essentially HAD to go to war, or face economic collapse.

Shit, you sound like a real authority. Ever heard of Danzig, dumbass? How's bout citing some sources to back up your horse shit?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:35 | 4267853 ich1baN
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If Hitler wasn't such an evil maniac (He had an IQ of 140) it would be interesting to see where he would have taken Germany and the advancements in technology the germans would have created..... they did afterall actually have the nuke developed before the US, they just didn't have the resources to build it. 



Sun, 12/22/2013 - 12:08 | 4268407 stock trout
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Just think. If Hitler had only been patient for 2 or 3 more years before invading Poland, he would have had the nuke and ICBMs to deliver them. Talk about a blitzkrieg. Nuke Warsaw and then say to Churchill you have 24 hours for unconditional surrender. Of course Churchill wouldn't have, and London would have been no more. The US and Brits didn't start the Manhattan Project until after the war started to counter. 

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 00:24 | 4270000 Tsukato
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If Hitler wasn't such an evil maniac (He had an IQ of 140)

God, at what point to you people stop learning?! I think the term evil maniac was taught to us around 5th grade for chrissakes! Haven't you ever wondered if your masters taught you a correct history? Nah, probably not.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 23:02 | 4267590 LetThemEatRand
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If you want to extend "personal responsibility" to a bunch of kids who signed up to serve and should have known better, then how do you excuse your own failure to do anything about it other than rant on ZH?  

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 23:26 | 4267638 Jumbotron
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Ouch....that'll leave a mark.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 00:59 | 4267799 ACP
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Wow, damn. I'm just waiting for the results of the duel.

"Gentlemen, aim your pistols. One...two...three!"


Sat, 12/21/2013 - 23:44 | 4267669 Barry Freed
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You work for the NSA? You know what else I do besides spending 15 minutes a day on Zero Hedge? Or are you just another ignorant jackass?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 00:00 | 4267707 Jumbotron
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You don't do jack shit.....just like 300 million other Mercans.....asshole.  That's why we are in the shape we are in.

Now either pick up the gun....and stop relying on the military to defend the Constitution or shut the fuck up.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 00:31 | 4267751 NihilistZero
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Where is this "Constitution defending military" you speak of?  Surely they are preparing to lay siege to the capital and destroy the whole of government that has betrayed the Constitution, right?  If not, then they are not that of which you speak.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 00:35 | 4267765 Freddie
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What Constitution is that?  The military brass along with the european bankster families and the politicians have beel selling out kids in uniform since the Civil War.  No one is "defending The Constitution."  The Constitution is a myth.  The idiots glued to TV and Hollywood helped insure that.  If you watch either then you support the NWO.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 00:58 | 4267796 Jumbotron
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Jeezus....guys....learn some reading skills. 

That's exactly what I said.  You can't reky on the military to defend the Constitution.  And bitching on ZH or anywhere else is useless as well.  So shut the fuck up and pick up the gun yourself.

Now THAT part was a taunt.  I know this asshole won't do it.  Just like everyone else.  Even me.  But it's not because I'm's because I don't care.  Fuck the Constitution.  It was simply another in a LONG string of utopian thought put to paper.  It was doomed from the get go....simply because it was produced from the mind of man.

Like everything's always great on paper......but always fails in the end when met with the reality of mankinds irrevocable corruption.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 02:32 | 4267876 LetThemEatRand
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The Constitution is imperfect, I'll grant you that.   And it has been implemented poorly as of late.  But perfection is not the goal and perfection/flawless implementation is not a valid measure of success.   A QB who throws for 350 yards and 2 interceptions in the face of a solid defense, and who wins the game should not be fired for being imperfect.  

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 08:42 | 4268168 artless
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" A QB who throws for 350 yards and 2 interceptions in the face of a solid defense, and who wins the game should not be fired for being imperfect.  "

Tony Romo needs to go. Even if he's won more than he's lost.

There, that's my metaphor for whatever the hell it is that you're saying.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 09:08 | 4268188 Drifter
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"It was simply another in a LONG string of utopian thought put to paper."

It came from a group of people who recently fought an armed revolution and won.  

It didn't take long for those memories to fade and that revolutionary mentality to fade too.  Within 20 years they were starting to compromise the principles spelled out in the Constitution. 

Over time more people came into the govt who never fought in that revolution, never had that revolutionary mentality, and started compromising it even more.

So we see the Constitution is only as good as the revolutionary mentality that created it.   If that mentality fades away, the Constitution fades away with it.

Who in govt has that revolutionary mentality today?   Anybody?  I suspect nobody.

Because it's been over a hundred years since we've had a revolution.  And that's the problem.

Didn't the founders say or infer there would have to be a revolution every so often to keep that revolutionary mentality alive and keep the constitution alive?

The constitution is nothing without the revolutionary mentality behind it.  By itself it's just foolish words on paper.

And that's how it is viewed today by this govt.  Foolish words on paper.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 12:22 | 4268429 Jumbotron
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But you made my point.  Jefferson was the one who stated that in his mind it would take a revolution every 20 years or so to keep freedom alive,

Who the hell wants that ?  We read in the news EVERY DAY of far off places where there is a revolution every 2 years......much less 20. codified in the Founding Documents such as the Declaration of Independence, The Articles of Confederation (this is what we should have stuck with....with some amendments), The Consitution and the Bill of the OUTLIER of human existance.  The norm is tribalism, feudalism and conflict.

"And all the king's horses and all the king's men, can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again"......and this will be the case when our present World Fascist / Corporatist State comes crashing down under its own weight of debt, greed, corruption, and resource decline.

Welcome to the Matrix.....where reboot after reboot....even with the occasional digital savior....always brings around reality....which is giving the people the ILLUSION of control and freedom while sucking the blood from the work of the masses for the ruling elite's benefit.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 00:20 | 4267739 Sean7k
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It is difficult to juxtapose two very different concepts that require completely different reactions from us. Soldiers are responsible, just as we are. They are the murderers of innocents all over the world. As we saw in the Phillipines and in Japan, they can be humanitarians as well. These men and women are suffering and will experience cruel deaths- Karma? perhaps. However, does it not touch us in some way as fellow humans?

As humans, we have the opportumity to create the world we wish to live in. To keep the compassion of the humantarian and ignore the tyranny of the State. To focus on values that matter to us and refuse those that offend us. Highlightng tolerance, liberty, industry and empathy, we can live lives we can be proud of. 

If we focus on the hatred and violence, we are no better than our masters. If we accept their plans for our lives, we are willing participants. It is our refusal to accept their laws, systems, "technology", medicine, science and currency that will leave them powerless. We need organization without tyranny. Science without prostitution and sound money determined by the people- not legal tender laws.

I am not a luddite by the way, but the contamination of science is widespread and entrenched in academies founded by Elites.

When did truth become an illusion? We all know what is right, we need no laws or contracts or courts. We need each other, to stand together, as people that refuse to take what is given or allowed. Civil society needs no leaders, it merely requires facilitators- what we once recognized as "wise ones". Anyone who seeks to rule another is a tyrant. We don't need tyrants.

I hope these sailors get all the care they need. I also hope we can acquire the courage we need, so they never need to be murderers again.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 00:33 | 4267755 BoNeSxxx
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Always good to see you S7K.  Great comment.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 00:37 | 4267768 Sean7k
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We are the "chosen". Good to see you as well.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 02:08 | 4267889 Yen Cross
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 You've got to be kidding me!  More like poaching?  Sean <->7 k

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 00:43 | 4267771 Irene
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Civil society needs no leaders?  Oh man, all of human history disproves that.  The first question in any society - civil or not - is who rules?  This utopian clap trap you spout may be fine with the Baba gang, but let's get real here.

Our civilian military leaders (that's be you, Obama, etc.) bear a lot - as in most - of responsibility here.  How stupid do you have to be to put our sailors in front of a nuclear disaster?  We all knew Tepco was lying.


Sun, 12/22/2013 - 00:55 | 4267794 Sean7k
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Irene, you must have studied some history I haven't. Please provide an example where the State has not taken advantage of the people for the benefit of a small minority. Where there is no slavery. 

I have spouted no utopian clap trap. Utopias don't exist. Life is violent and dangerous, especially if you have a government. Further, I never said no leaders, I said elected leaders organized by law. Big difference. You make monumental assumptions and they are ALL wrong.

You say our leaders have a responsibility? How will they pay? 

You are ignorant of history, politics and economics. When you learn enough to develop an argument, come back and play.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:44 | 4267866 LetThemEatRand
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Is it your contention that life was less violent and dangerous during most of human history when we had no organized elected government?  

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 09:33 | 4268218 Sean7k
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We have no idea what happened before "human history" for that history is the story of governments. Whether Chinese, Hebrew, Sumerian or Greek- they are all oppressive structures dependent on slavery. Recent study of HomoHabilis indictaes their societies had no government, no warfare and no weapons.


Sun, 12/22/2013 - 09:54 | 4268246 tmosley
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Nice job implying that all governments are elected there, guy.

Let's change that to the more relevent "organized government" then you tell us which time periods didn't have one of those.  Then we can examine your supposition.

Funny that in the one I can think of, Somalia, things only get really violent when outside forces try to come in and establish a government, as every group and clan tries to turn the new government to their favor, but when those people leave, peace reigns.  Also funny that even with all that war, they are more developed than their neighbors, especially their telecommunications infrastructure, something that we have been told is impossible to create without a government doling out spectrum to the cronies of the week.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 02:13 | 4267899 Irene
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"As humans, we have the opportumity to create the world we wish to live in. To keep the compassion of the humantarian and ignore the tyranny of the State."   Hahahahahahaha.  You must have lived a very, very safe and easy life, Sean.  My family, not so much.  Those members of my family carted off to Vorkuta, Dachau, etc. weren't exactly in a position to "ignore the tyranny of the State." 

The difference, dear Sean, is that I don't PLAY when looking at these situations, because too often they are matters of life and death.

Similarly, I certainly wouldn't go around accusing our military personnel of being murderers.  If they are "murderers" then we bear the brunt of the blame. But I think you toss around the world a wee bit too easily.  Does it make you fee righteous?  Do you really believe our military is full of hate-filled MURDERERS!!!!!!  You should go look up the stats of our military personnel sometime.  You might be surprised.

As for my holding leaders "responsible". I didn't say they would pay in any way (even Pol Pot was never executed but allowed to die under house arrest after murdering 1-2 million) but we should not allow them to walk away or ignore it - be it Benghazi, Fukushima, Fast and Furious or anything else.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 02:53 | 4267940 stacking12321
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how can you possibly deny that the military are murderers?

that is their profession, they kill for a living.

they check their conscience at the door, and when their paymasters say, kill that brown guy, that's what they do.



Sun, 12/22/2013 - 06:13 | 4268001 The Heart
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Sun, 12/22/2013 - 05:23 | 4268041 trader1
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anyone paying taxes to a government that engages in armed conflict and wars are accessories to murder.

everyone has blood on their hands.  

so shut the fuck up with the self-righteous talk. 


Sun, 12/22/2013 - 12:05 | 4268238 i-dog
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"anyone paying taxes to a government that engages in armed conflict and wars are accessories to murder ......

shut the fuck up with the self-righteous talk"

Right back atcha, shill !!!

Anyone who pays taxes under the threat of being imprisoned, or murdered, for non-payment is not complicit.

Only those who VOTE for political leaders (an act of implied consent to the outcome, irrespective of who they vote for) are culpable.

Go back to cutting and pasting other people's opinions - because your own are full of shit!

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 06:30 | 4270296 trader1
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nice rationalization to relieve yourself of the guilt.  i've made my peace.

go back to sleep, snoopy.

you know that you have a choice to go to prison and die for what you believe in.

i know it's hard and all, but remember it's just a ride.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 10:20 | 4268257 Sean7k
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Then the members of your family have your zionist brethern to blame, they were the supporters of Hitler, the reason for cheap war labor and the cause of the World Wars as well. Please don't try to wash that tired laundry here, anything that happened to jews was in their power to stop. Instead of reading jewish history, read the real stuff.

What else can you call our military personnel? Too stupid to think? Brainwashed? No, when we refuse to accept respnsibility for our actions, we are no better than the Nazi, Russian, Chinese, British, French or Jewish soldier that killed in the named of orders or country. The United States hasn't been attacked since Pearl Harbor (False Flag). Our wars are wars of aggression against people DEFENDING their countries. The last time foreigners were on our soil? 1814- a war WE declared against Britain.

Reponsibility IMPLIES consequences, otherwise there isn't any responsibility. Have you a single unbrainwashed cell in your head?  We should not let Bush , Cheney or Obama walk away? But we have just let Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Eisenhower and Truman. The US is the worst terrorist nation on Earth, bar none, working at the behest of Zionsts and Illuminati for the enslavement of the world. Someone has to say no more, it has to start with us.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 15:55 | 4268915 The Heart
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"The US is the worst terrorist nation on Earth, bar none, working at the behest of Zionsts and Illuminati for the enslavement of the world. Someone has to say no more, it has to start with us."


Sun, 12/22/2013 - 08:58 | 4268182 artless
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@ Irene

"Civil society needs no leaders?  Oh man, all of human history disproves that.  The first question in any society - civil or not - is who rules? "

Who RULES? IN that Irene you pretty much sum up the problem. Sure all this "clap trap" sounds rather utopian. Just like the utopian bullshit peddled by yhose who use terms like "civil society". Tell me exactly what is "civil" about the method AND THE ACTUAL BEVAVIOR AND RESULTS of our so-called civil society here in The US? I see a long history of violence, coercion, theft, marheted to we "the ruled" with shit like "The Navy...A Force For Good".

While I do not deny the disater assistance, life saving, etc that has been part of the Navy over many years one must also consider the murder, death and mayhem they have enacted NEVER IN OUR LIVES IN DEFENSE OF OUR SHORES. Oops.

I wake up every day look around and NEVER ask myself where are my 'leaders".

You have a choice. You can answer the true questions of societal survival (such as how do we acquire the goods and services needed to survive) in one of two ways. It can either be done through violence and plunder or through voluntary interaction and nutual exchange. I'm sure to you that sounds like "unicorns shitting skittles" fantasy but I suspect that if you look at most of the greatest advances and achievments in society you will find that they originate from that "unicorn" idea rather than from the plunder route which always comes with a giant hangover.


Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:24 | 4267831 gallistic
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Sure, we all hope these 57 (or more) sailors get all the care they need.

I also hope the millions that we condemned to a cruel and horrible fate for several generations to come due to our DELIBERATE use of DU in Iraq and Afghanistan get some help too.

I mean, er... do those people even count?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 04:15 | 4268003 The Heart
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"I mean, er... do those people even count?"


Sun, 12/22/2013 - 10:06 | 4268264 Sean7k
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They will only count when we have the courage to act.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 02:47 | 4267893 palmereldritch
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The soldiers and navy personnel are first and foremost weapons of destruction.  They are no longer the defenders of the constitutional republic from all enemies foreign and domestic but are instead tools of death and destruction for those very same enemies of the constitution that have, for the better part of nearly a century to this day, hijacked the government, economy and military for the purposes of global hegemony and demonic dominance.

The Globalist bankster perps use, abuse, destroy and dispose of those tools as they do all other targets and victims of their feudal death fest. 

Do you blame the zombie vampire victim for being enslaved by a demon? A cancer patient for getting the disease? Or do you identify, attack and destroy the cause?

  • It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 10:08 | 4268265 Sean7k
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