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US Sailors, Assisting With Fukushima Clean Up, Crippled By Cancer
Back in December 2012, we wrote that it was only a matter of time before Japan's criminal lying about the radioactive exposure in the aftermath of the Fukushima catastrophe caught up with it, as well as with countless numbers of people who would soon succumb to radiation induced cancers and other diseases. What we found surprising back then, before the full scale of the Fukushima catastrophe become clear and before even Tepco admitted that the situation is completely out of control, is that those holding Japan accountable were not its own citizens but eight US sailors who have then filed a suit against semi-nationalized energy operator TEPCO - the company which repeatedly ignored internal warnings about the ability of the Fukushima NPP to withstand an earthquake/tsunami - seeking $110 million in damages.
"Eight U.S. sailors have filed a damages suit against Tokyo Electric Power Co., claiming they were exposed to radiation and face health threats as the utility did not provide appropriate information about the Fukushima nuclear disaster while they engaged in rescue operations on board an aircraft carrier, U.S. media reported.
The plaintiffs who filed the suit at the U.S. federal court in San Diego -- seeking a total of $110 million, or 9.4 billion yen, in damages -- were aboard the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan when it was involved in "Operation Tomodachi," a disaster relief effort shortly after a big earthquake and tsunami triggered the worst nuclear accident in decades, the reports said."
What is sad is that while everyone in the alternative media was repeatedly warning about the radiation exposure being misrepresented by both TEPCO and various Japanese ministries, it was the mainstream media that was constantly complicit in disseminating official and unofficial lies that there is nothing to fear.
One year after our report, the lies are not only catching up (and overtaking), but are ruining and dooming innocent lives. As Fox reports, dozens of US soldiers who participated in the Fukushima cleanup effort, are succumbing to numerous radiation-related illnesses, including cancer, and their only error was believing the official media lies.
When the USS Ronald Reagan responded to the tsunami that struck Japan in March 2011, Navy sailors including Quartermaster Maurice Enis gladly pitched in with rescue efforts.
But months later, while still serving aboard the aircraft carrier, he began to notice strange lumps all over his body. Testing revealed he'd been poisoned with radiation, and his illness would get worse. And his fiance and fellow Reagan quartermaster, Jamie Plym, who also spent several months helping near the Fukushima nuclear power plant, also began to develop frightening symptoms, including chronic bronchitis and hemorrhaging.
They and 49 other U.S. Navy members who served aboard the Reagan and sister ship the USS Essex now trace illnesses including thyroid and testicular cancers, leukemia and brain tumors to the time spent aboard the massive ship, whose desalination system pulled in seawater that was used for drinking, cooking and bathing. In a lawsuit filed against Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), the plaintiffs claim the power company delayed telling the U.S. Navy the tsunami had caused a nuclear meltdown, sending huge amounts of contaminated water into the sea and, ultimately, into the ship's water system.
“At our level, we weren’t told anything,” Plym told FoxNews.com. “We were told everything was OK.” Now, Plym, Enis and dozens of others wonder if their service to their country and to Japan has left them doomed.
“I get so angry," Plym said. "They said as long as the plume was avoided we would be fine. But we knew then that something was going to happen. Common sense tells you that the wind would blow it everywhere. You don’t need to be a nuclear scientist to figure that out.”
Why the anger though: after all everyone lied, starting with those in control, and certainly the media that supports the status quo (one must think of all those advertising dollars) constantly and repeatedly that it is simply preposterous to assume that a benevolent regime which only cares about the wealth effect (of both the US and Japan) would engage in such a vast conspiracy as to hide from the world just how destructive the fallour from Fukushima truly was (even as the fringe blogosphere was warning precisely about this day in, and day out).
But while the lies are easily explainable, what is more surprising is that the soldiers are blaming just Tepco instead of everyone in their chain of command for putting them in the line of gamma radiation fire.
San Francisco Attorney Charles Bonner,who is representing allegedly cancer-stricken sailors, initially filed a federal suit in the Southern District of California more than a year ago on behalf of a dozen sailors. The lawsuit was initially dismissed, when the court ruled that any ruling would hinge on interpreting communication between the Japanese and U.S. governments, which could violate the separation of powers. But Bonner is amending the suit to add new allegations that would fall under the court's jurisdiction. And the number of plaintives has more than quadrupled as more service members come forward with radiation-related illnesses, he said.
“They went in to help with rescue efforts," said Bonner, who plans to refile the suit on Jan. 6. "They did not go in prepared to deal with radiation containment.”
The plaintiffs don't blame the U.S. Navy, which they believe acted in good faith, Bonner said. It was the plant's operators who sat on the meltdown information during the crucial hours following the March 11, 2011 disaster, he said.
“TEPCO pursued a policy which caused rescuers, including the plaintiffs, to rush into an unsafe area which was too close to the [Fukushima nuclear power plant] that had been damaged,” Bonner charged in an April filing now being updated to add more plaintiffs. “Relying upon the misrepresentation regarding health and safety made by TEPCO, upon information and belief, the U.S. Navy was lulled into a false sense of security.
“The officers and crew of the U.S.S. Reagan (CVN-76) and other vessels believed that it was safe to operate within the waters adjacent to the FNPP, without doing the kinds of research and testing that would have verified the problems known to the defendant TEPCO at the time.”
Nathan Piekutoski, 22, who served aboard the USS Essex, which was in the same deployment as the Reagan, said sailors had no choice but to trust what they were told.
“They did say it was safe at the time,” Piekutoski said. “We had to take their word for it.”
Piekutowski says he suffered from leukemia and, while he is currently in remission, Doctors have told him that he may need a bone marrow transplant.
“Within a few months I started getting all these weird symptoms," he recalled of the months following the disaster response. "Night sweats. Not sleeping. I started losing a lot of weight.
“It’s one of those things," he added. "You’re angry that it happens but we had to go. It was our duty. I joined the military to help people in need.”
A spokesperson for the Department of Defense declined to comment on the pending lawsuit, but told FoxNews.com the Pentagon has been monitoring and collecting data on radiation exposure in the region.
Needless to say, the criminals at Tepco have nothing to say:
TEPCO officials did not respond to requests for comment. But a recent admission before members of the Japanese press on Dec. 12 during a meeting at the Tokyo Press Club, former Prime Minister Naoto Jan said the first meltdown occurred five hours after the tsunami, not the next day as reported at the time.
Bonner alleges that the statement means that the Japanese government knew radiation was being leaked and did not inform the U.S. Navy.
“They knew there was an active meltdown and they deliberately hid it from the public as well as the Navy,” Bonner said. “Those sailors went in there totally unaware and they were contaminated as a result.”
Plym says she is prepared to have her symptoms question in court, should the case go to trial. But with so many U.S. sailors coming forward, she believes justice will prevail.
“People will say that out lawsuit is fake and that we are doing this for money, but it’s really about getting the correct information out there,” Plym said.
And now back to a mythical reality in which insolvent governments tell the "truth" about the true, and very deplorable, state of affairs just behind the peeing facade. In the meantime, to all the sailors whose only crime was believing their criminal, corrupt superiors: our condolences.
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All true "palmereldritch"! People need to understand that when we join the US military, we are signing on to be the soldiers of empire and enforcers of corporate crony capitalism.
"It is difficult to juxtapose two very different concepts that require completely different reactions from us. Soldiers are responsible, just as we are. They are the murderers of innocents all over the world. As we saw in the Phillipines and in Japan, they can be humanitarians as well. These men and women are suffering and will experience cruel deaths- Karma? perhaps. However, does it not touch us in some way as fellow humans?
"As humans, we have the opportumity to create the world we wish to live in. To keep the compassion of the humantarian and ignore the tyranny of the State. To focus on values that matter to us and refuse those that offend us. Highlightng tolerance, liberty, industry and empathy, we can live lives we can be proud of.
If we focus on the hatred and violence, we are no better than our masters. If we accept their plans for our lives, we are willing participants. It is our refusal to accept their laws, systems, "technology", medicine, science and currency that will leave them powerless. We need organization without tyranny. Science without prostitution and sound money determined by the people- not legal tender laws.
I am not a luddite by the way, but the contamination of science is widespread and entrenched in academies founded by Elites.
When did truth become an illusion? We all know what is right, we need no laws or contracts or courts. We need each other, to stand together, as people that refuse to take what is given or allowed. Civil society needs no leaders, it merely requires facilitators- what we once recognized as "wise ones". Anyone who seeks to rule another is a tyrant. We don't need tyrants.
I hope these sailors get all the care they need. I also hope we can acquire the courage we need, so they never need to be murderers again."
HAAAARUMPTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you cast your lot in with dogs, you get fleas. It's that simple.
The American military has become the enforcement arm of a rogue fascist regime. Eveyone who participates in it is supporting that rogue fascist regime, and karma will visit them sooner or later.
usually disagree with you rand, but well said! +1
Military = workfare with a uniform and personal hygiene standards.
Right on target--for all of us. Milestones
If you want to extend "personal responsibility" to a bunch of kids who signed up to serve and should have known better...
You don't sign up to 'serve', though that's how people in our militaries (and their apologists) dearly love to have it referred to. You sign up to kill or aid in killing. They may get to do a bit of humanitarian stuff on the side, the way a mafioso might occasionally hand out candy at a kid's hospital party on behalf of the Don, but that's not what they're there for, and you know it. You can argue that they've been brainwashed all their lives... but you could argue that murderers (the ones not in uniform, I mean) and rapists have been brainwashed into believing murder and rape is ok, too. Does that make it ok? Well... does it?
Lulz. And what, or who, exactly, are they 'serving'? 'The military defended us from the Nazis!' No, asshole, the citizenry defended themselves from the Nazis - everyone signed up, remember? When we're not engaged in an existential war like WWII, our militaries are a small, professional cadre of moral automatons who stamp the boot of empire all over the faces of anyone who doesn't like it and tries to put up any resistance. If our countries are threatened with invasion, it won't be the military who save us - it will be the citizenry who will become the military who will deal with it. Just because we use the same word to refer to two very different things, doesn't mean they're the same.
then how do you excuse your own failure to do anything about it other than rant on ZH?
I see... so someone who fails to somehow stop the mightiest military the world has ever seen, is on a par with people who actively kill people for that military? So... I'm guessing vegetarians are equally responsible for animals' deaths, because they don't stop meat-eaters eating meat? Rapists and non-rapists are the same because the latter don't somehow stop the former?
Twat.
Plenty of soldiers leave and see the light afterwards. Good for them! But that doesn't somehow make what they were doing, when they were doing it, ok... or the people they had been while they were doing it ok, either.
Do you personally know everything Barry Freed has done and does? If not, then... (since I think you most likely don't, I will take the risk of adding a follow on question)
If you want your posts to be taken seriously, then why ask a question based on and presupposing an assertion that you can't possibly know for sure (and since it is a pretty strong assertion it is unlikely to be true)?
Barry, what do you suppose they were in Fukushima to do, help out or drop a third nuke on Japan?
I have little tolerance for raving idiots iike you. You are like the typical lib that cannot tell the difference between a gun in the hand of person for defense and a gun for robbery. To you, they are both the same.
They didn't pick up a gun to blindly do the will of the government. They did it for their own personal possibilities and believing they would help defend the US and perhaps our allies. I submit to you very few in the U.S. military would turn on their fellow citizens, round up Jews or pillage and rape in the local port. They do not believe in the same cause as Hitler, Stalin, Hezbollah or the Russian Mafia.
You self righteous little pricks who work on some nebuous misapplied abstract theories...
Your argument there can be used to defend gang and mafia members too.
Think about that for literally five minutes.
No, it cannot. Mafia's are organized around purposeful criminal pursuits and you know that is not what I mean. Hell, when you go to work you are pursuing possibilities for youself. Are you therefore no better than mafia or drug gangs? People who join those types of organizations know exactly what they are doing and why. They are in fact more akin to autocratic states...which have to be resisted with force against force which requires armies. In your analogy being police or a drug cartel member are considered equivalent (not talking about corrupt cops, either).
Think about that for as long as it takes you.
People who join those types of organizations know exactly what they are doing and why. They are in fact more akin to autocratic states...
Mafioso routinely refer to themselves as soldiers, and believe they're doing it for the equivalent of their 'countries' - their family and organisation.
A state-within-a-state is exactly what the mafia are; believers that they have the right to coerce people within a particular boundary. The vast majority of governments are descended for mafia-type oranisations that either sprang up in situ or conquered and settled.. and then wrote pius laws about 'property rights' so the elites and their minions could keep what they'd stolen.
A mafioso may earn more during his life than a US 'serviceman', but I doubt his pension is as generous. And he's probably culpable for far fewer innocent deaths.
Oh, you know another difference between government employee and a mafioso? You can probably reason with the mafioso!
Like the government, the mafia will make your life a misery if you don't pay protection money, but a mafioso isn't going to lock you in a cage for smoking the 'wrong' fucking plant, FreedomGuy.
Actually, I quit working because I didn't want to perpetuate this machine any further. Now I suck its blood at every opportunity, and will continue to do so until it is dead and we can be free.
Some people go the other way, and pledge their lives to fight for the system. These people are the ENEMY.
Also:
>Stealing money from people
>Not a criminal pursuit
But seriously, think for FIVE FUCKING MINUTES about what is different between a government and the mafia. They are LITERALLY THE SAME THING, just with different levels of military power.
But I know you won't do it, because you are so weak that you seek shelter in the propoganda they pumped into your brain for 12-16 years. Prove me wrong.
Now you think about some of your own words. You are getting there.
So the most substantial difference between a mafia organization and the US government is that the latter is dishonest about its own nature. Dishonesty is bad in all shapes and forms and circumstances, so it makes a bad situation worse. And the first and most important thing a mafia organization and the US government have in common is, of course, that both initiate force (although the term "mafia" is sometimes applied to organizations that don't actually do that, e.g. engage only in some non-violent "crimes" where the state is the actual aggressor).
Yes, it is doubly bad for the people who work for the government. Once, they get fooled (or worse, hope to fool others, i.e. being in on the con) and then twice, associating themselves with gangsters. However, the basic argument above should be obvious enough for everyone to understand.
You only need the capability to respond to a first strike or another act of aggression. You don't need a standing army.
I have little tolerance for raving idiots iike you. You are like the typical lib that cannot tell the difference between a gun in the hand of person for defense and a gun for robbery. To you, they are both the same.
When you sign up to the military, you're agreeing to be a weapon to be used for defense, or for offense! And, given the balance of power in the world, a moment's reflection should make it pretty damn clear that chances are pretty damn good it won't be for defence, will it?
They didn't pick up a gun to blindly do the will of the government.
Lulz. That's EXACTLY what they sign up to do! That might not be what they tell themselves they're doing - hey, I'm off to kill people to support our elites! but that's what they're doing.
They did it for their own personal possibilities...
Well, given how the people in .gov are obsessed with their bennies, you're pretty damn right about that.
and believing they would help defend the US and perhaps our allies.
MMMkay, when was the last time the US looked like it would need defending? When the cold war ended?
I'm pretty sure that you are right, LTER. It's very sad that they were lied to. I hope the lawsuit progresses, and that at least some "truth" comes out.
We also need to know what is in store for us here in N. America.
It's not a lie.
It's politics.
One lie is sad, two lies - an irritation... what about a million lies?
One admitted lie is a scandal, two admitted lies - routine news... then what?
One admitted and corrected lie is an error, two admitted and corrected lies - incompetence... then when they simply decide to shut up everything is OK again, or is it?
One proven but still denied lie is a conspiracy theory, two proven but still denied lies - ground for banning truth... how long are you willing to let that go on?
The key will be watching leukemia rates. Any spike will be a sure sign of excess radiation. Children will be especially susceptible. Draw and quartering is too good for these people ( without first hanging).
Miffed;-)
You are absolutely correct- the key will be watching leukemia rates.
Iraq has the highest leukemia rates in the planet...due to DU contamination.
Who do we draw and quarter for that one?
Despite improved outcomes in multiple myeloma (MM), a cure remains elusive. However, even before the current therapeutic era, 5% of patients survived >10 years and we propose that immune factors contribute to this longer survival. We identified patients attending our clinic, who had survived >10 years (n=20) and analysed their blood for the presence of T-cell clones, T-regulatory cells (Tregs) and T helper 17 (Th17) cells. These results were compared with MM patients with shorter follow-up and age-matched healthy control donors. The frequency of cytotoxic T-cell clonal expansions in patients with <10 years follow-up (MM patients) was 54% (n=144), whereas it was 100% (n=19/19) in the long-survivors (LTS-MM). T-cell clones from MM patients proliferated poorly in vitro, whereas those from LTS-MM patients proliferated readily (median proliferations 6.1% and 61.5%, respectively (P<0.0001)). In addition, we found significantly higher Th17 cells and lower Tregs in the LTS-MM group when compared with the MM group. These results indicate that long-term survival in MM is associated with a distinct immunological profile, which is consistent with decreased immune suppression.
http://www.nature.com/bcj/journal/v3/n9/full/bcj201334a.html
Genetically targeted T cells promise to solve the feasibility and efficacy hurdles of adoptive T-cell therapy of cancer. Selecting a target expressed in multiple-tumor types and required for tumor growth would widen disease indications and prevent immune escape due to the emergence of antigen-loss variants. The adhesive receptor CD44 is broadly expressed in hematological and epithelial tumors, where it contributes to the cancer stem/initiating phenotype. In this study, silencing of its isoform variant 6 (CD44v6) prevented engraftment of human AML and MM cells in immunocompromised mice. Accordingly, T cells targeted to CD44v6 by means of a chimeric antigen receptor containing a CD28 signaling domain mediated potent antitumor effects against primary AML and MM, while sparing normal hematopoietic stem cells and CD44v6-expressing keratinocytes. Importantly, in vitro activation with CD3/CD28 beads and IL-7/IL-15 was required for antitumor efficacy in vivo. Finally, co-expressing a suicide gene enabled fast and efficient pharmacological ablation of CD44v6-targeted T cells and complete rescue from hyper-acute xenogeneic graft-versus-host disease modeling early and generalized toxicity. These results warrant the clinical investigation of suicidal CD44v6-targeted T cells in AML and MM.
http://bloodjournal.hematologylibrary.org/content/early/2013/09/09/blood...
Has anyone seen this story in the major media?
Well, I think that his point is that they believed wrong: they misplaced trust, got involved with the wrong kind of an organization, and at the end of the day everyone involved has got to take up their part of the responsibility for errors such as these. And in today's world of the internet and abundant access to knowledge, one simply cannot make credible excuses for ignorance anymore. Maybe 20 years ago, but not anymore.
Absolutely right. More importantly, the ignorant jackasses who cheer them on for making the mistake of picking up a gun to do the will of the government are just encouraging more young people to make the same mistakes. Dictators and bankers never kill anyone without ignorant jackasses willing to pick up guns and fight on their behalf.
Indeed. It is exactly BECAUSE the ignorant jackasses continue to cheer them on that more are encouraged to join!
Even if the mafia chips in to help fight a brush fire, that doesn't mean that Lucky Luciano and his goons should suddenly be given a ticker tape parade.
Truly ironic is some enlist to make something of themselves and escape the ghetto / gangs only to be foot soldiers for the largest organized crime syndicate on the planet.
For the record, you guys are ignoramuses.
In trying to be serious with you (and it is difficult) do you even believe in theory that there can be any armed force that is good? Does anyone have an army that is okay or are all organized armed groups equally bad? Is an armed individual automatically bad?
no, actually it is you that is the ignoramus.
what the posters before you said, was spot-on.
regarding your question, an armed force is not in and of itself good or bad (even setting aside the fact that "good" and "bad" are subjective notions).
if the armed force defends people from outside aggression, i would call it good.
if it is the agent of aggression against other people, i would call it bad.
Spot on!!
Even in a truly free society, there will be armed forces ... mainly comprising armed citizens and their self-organising groups - like a neighbourhood watch, or a county militia (ie. on call to form an ad-hoc grouping to deal with external aggression).
We may/will never eliminate armed aggression, but at least its extent will be minimised without a monolithic central government raising taxes by force in order to fund aggression by force ... against other central governments, with the objective of grabbing their treasury and reins of power.
No government = no central treasury to capture ... and no easy takeover of natural resources (the Taliban have proven this truism).
It must be great to live in your world of absolutes. If you felt absolutely certain that someone else meant to do you harm, how would your moral judgement allow you to repond? Do you go on the offensive in an attempt to defend or prolong your life, or do you risk the opponents first strike assuming that even if you fall, you will be redeamed after your death as while still dead, morally in the right. I ponder this myself. We know how we want the world to be but also deal with the demons in and around us. I see no simple answers. Die as a pacifist, always the last to raise arms or live as a heartless aggressor, stepping on anyone who could be perceived as a threat. Most of us try to live on an issolated plateau where we can live immune from the actual costs of our values. That is why we hire our leaders and military and police. To be the sin eaters, to do what must be done while divorcing ourselves of the responibility. We don't want to know where our security and supposed freedoms come from anymore than our hamburgers. The details are just too messy to deal with. Maybe I will have veal for dinner.
You make your own choice of values and morals and intentions, and it is in your best interest to choose them wisely and then to state them clearly. The sooner, the better, but it is never too late to make changes and clarifications (perfection).
In practice, we don't. And we should. People have generally grasped the concept of the free market in goods and some services. Some even dare include money and currencies there. When I say I support free markets I am consistent and include everything. Free markets keep the chain of responsibility intact (you would no longer be able to honestly say something like "I was being forced to continue contributing to that genocide").
The arguments against free markets in such areas actually come down to lack of imagination and to technicalities which can be overcome (leave it to the entrepreneurs and specialists in the respective areas).
Stacking, I actually agree with you at then end. However, the way I read the sub-posts is that there is an assertion that the U.S. military is a criminal organzation and Fukushima is somehow a demonstration of that. That is why I ask the questions about legitimate use of force in my prior posts.
I also assert that no one joins the U.S. armed services the way someone joins the mafia, a drug cartel or the Roman armay an army specifically used for domestic population control and/or conquest.
Now, if you want to argue whether or not we should have been in Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Syria, etc. we can argue that...along with whether that is a proper use of our troops but I still assert than our armed forces are not organized specifically as an agent of conquest or oppression and no one joins to do that.
I have no ill will against our soldiers but feel they are used as mercs for the bankers and corporations.
Barry and idog, you are absolutely correct.
Speaking of cheerleading, here is a clear example of the principle in action and the MSM shilling for the machine. The headline says "All American cheerleader does good"
Or maybe it should say "bring your daughter to the slaughter".
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/eagles-honor-former-ch...
Special Ops my ass. She is a FET attached to a team. She is probably good to have around during leisure time too. They might as well just film her with her pom-poms in a skimpy outfit.
Give me a D!
Give me an E!
Give me an A!
Give me a...
"one simply cannot make credible excuses for ignorance anymore"
BOOM!...TA-TA...
Pseudonice!
Believe it or not, there once was a day when children were taught to think.
In these modern times, they are no longer taught to be thinkers, rather they are taught to be ignorant followers.
Thusly...bahhhhhhh....chaaaange!
Extra credit fabel to ponder:
Once was there a bridge and at this bride was a crossing guard. One day, a body approached and the guard suddenly jumped from his slumber and yelled at the two-legged, say shibboleth!!!...pointing the full-auto....ssssiboleth it said...click...bang...oh what a hang...no ziolizards allowed over there.
The road not taken by shibboleths of the ziolizard... all shapeshifters no doubt.
I agree that these guys were probably trying to save lives not take them. And many most likely joined, because in a country of diminishing opportunies, this was the best option.
I'm so sick of hearing about diminishing opportunities! So if these kids can't get a good job, the next best thing is to go sign up to join Murder Inc. ?!?!
What the fuck passes for ethics or morality these days? Fuck them and their lack of job prospects! Get out there and sell pot or meth if you need the money. It's far more ethical. Should these same dumbfucks murder because its lawful, but not deal drugs cuz it's unlawful? Americans need to wake the fuck up in their blind following of laws. You've been neutered by your own cowardice.
You have never been poor.
You are incorrect. I've been very poor 3 times. During and after uni, once from divorce, and once from legal fees and payoffs when my ex-wife kidnapped my son from Japan, back to the US. But I never gave up, never let unjust laws get in my way, suffered tons, and made it back to well off. Of course I didn't sit on my ass in the US bitching. I'm living in China for the last 6 years. AND never once did I consider selling out ethics, or killing different shades of people just like me, to make a buck.
So killing ever so slowly with meth is more moral?
Didn't know you could measure morals like that.
Do go on.
your comment doesn't logically follow.
meth, while very harmful, is something someone willingly inflicts upon themselves, it is their right to do so.
an air force drone jockey raining hellfire missiles down on innocent people in pakistan, inflicts murder on others who don't wish it, they have no right to do so.
Follows my logic. The crap is lethal & major crime follows. Your logic is the equivalent of executing the retarded.
I suppose handing a gun to a kid that blows his head off playing russian roulette is willingly inflicted also. Where does sound judgement fit in here?
I suppose meth itself is not bad, just consuming it.
Your argument is the same as the gun grabbers. Meth *might* kill you and *might* lead to crime, like you *might* go on a rampage with a gun. You are advocated using violent force against people who have hurt no one, about the most immoral thing you can do. How far are you going to take it? Maybe people with certain traits should be preemptively killed because of what they might do.
I have advocated no such thing. You're making an assumption. If a person wants to use it, fine with me as long as they aren't breaking into my house for their next fix. It's none of my business. Providing it to them & saying it's moral is another. No different than murder inc.
Behavior will NEVER be legislated.
Meth heads kill themselves. If it wasn't that, it would be something else. Big fucking loss either way.
>>>>Are you a woman or a queer? You make my skin cold.
And don't anyone tell me I'm a homophobe. I'm not afraid of homos, and I'm not that duck christian guy.
Touch a nerve?
Yeah you did. I despise people like you. If there is ever a civil war in America, I don't think it will be a race war or civilian against government employee. I think it will be virtuous, traditional thinking people against passive-aggressive white liberals, and the scum they've enabled to destroy our culture, country, and our children's futures. There is some real hatred brewing beneath the surface, and woe to motherfuckers like you. I'll gladly return and take some hippy scalps in such a time.
Nope- Their job was not saving lives. Do not make the mistake or even give the impression that US sailors were directly involved in pulling little japanese babies and pet dogs out of damaged nuclear cores. They were not.
They were parked far offshore in a support role, serving as a floating refueling station for Japanese military and coast guard helicopters flying relief missions in the area.
The Japanese were the ones doing any actual rescue.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/13/world/la-fg-japan-quake-main-201...
Oh so they got trusted by themselves, and so should take their lumps. If you like your lumps, you can keep your lumps.
They weren't "trying" to do anything. They were following orders, because they signed up to be slaves to the US military. Whether they are ordered to go clean up a disaster area or go stomp brown children to death doesn't really matter. They CHOSE to give up their free will, and now they are paying the price, killed by the machine they signed up to be a part of. Poetic justice.
What do you do to someone who wants to go back into the Matrix without regard for the lives of those who want to be free?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hggaMqJbSxE
<i would feel sorry for these people if they weren't part of an armed gang that terrorizes and kills innocent people, and destroys lives>
I did not know the IDF was involved in this effort.
If you pay taxes or use a fiat currency in any way, you are involved with both the US Navy and the IDF. The mechanism of involvement is very similar for the two (I can draw the connections for you if you have trouble doing so yourself), so I don't see anything surprising here.
The gvt trusts the people, and a few of the people trust the gvt.
I support the men, not the mission. Sorry it happened, but what would the world be if no-one enlisted? (The answer is better.)
When I was young I served in the army of my country. I truly believed I was doing something honourable and I believe today I would have died if my doing my duty required it.
I am much older today and see things VERY much differently. I loathe what our Governments are doing.
But to say that boy in his teens/twenties so long ago, would not deserve basic human compassion if he contracted cancer as a result of doing his duty, is an act as disgusting as you might imagine that would be done by an 'armed gang that terrorizes and kills innocent people'.
Your rage is misplaced.
i would call it anger, and awareness of the injustice that's being perpetrated, not rage - rage is blinding.
regarding your statement about "contracted cancer as a result of doing his duty" - you seem to suggest there is some fixed thing that is "his duty", as if it is handed down from above, as if he has no moral conscience of his own, as if he cannot make his own determination of what "his duty" is.
to me, it's clear that "his duty" is not to throw away his life blindly in the service of the owners of the country, but his true duty is to educate himself as to what is going on around him, to see the sickness, the perversion, the violence, the lies perpetrated by his supposed leaders, and government, and corporate media. his true duty is to fight with every breath these usurpers that have taken the throne, not to serve them.
if he abandons his true duty and instead chooses the easy road where others do his thinking for him, that is the path to disaster and ruin.
There is such a thing as "duty" - and that is; to obey 'a lawful command'. It was our duty not to obey an unlawful command.
During training we are given instruction on what that means, and from memory it was what you might expect.
Aside from that, your logic is flawed. Your logic requires young people to "know" things that circumstance may not yet have afforded the opportunity. As I stated, that boy is me today, and I did learn a bit more about the world and my position has changed.
Your error - which either yet you do not see - or do not wish to concede - is that you would deny basic human compassion to a person who may not have yet reached a level of enlightenment that meets your satisfaction.
In time I did, but by what you have written, if something had happened to me when I was in the army, then you believe I should not have received any compassion.
These are the morals of an immature person or a psycopath. And as I said in my previous comment, no better than the psychopathic governments that you abhor.
It is the absence of compassion that allows our governments to do the monstrous things they do. The less you have, the more you are like them.
and what is a "lawful command"? - sounds like another way of saying, i'll do whatever the gang in charge tells me to do, since they make the laws.
i understand perfectly well what you're saying, i just don't agree with it, and i can't conceive of ever going along with it, personally.
false statement. there is no flaw in my logic. everyone has a responsibility for their actions. i don't "require" anyone to know anything, but i do insist 100% that you own your actions, and if you've supported the usurpers in chage, that is on you. as upton sinclair put it, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
Your error - which either yet you do not see - or do not wish to concede - is that you would deny basic human compassion to a person who may not have yet reached a level of enlightenment that meets your satisfaction.
again, false statement. i said nothing about "denying basic human compassion" whatever that means - these are words that you made up. also, compassion is a feeling, it's not a logical choice, so it cannot possibly be an "error".
i don't understand this babble about "should have received compassion" - i don't judge who should or should not "receive" compassion (you speak about it as if it's a commodity to be handed out). the fact is, that i find it hard to empathize with those who support a regime that has committed atrocities around the globe, and causes suffering for me personally.
again, false statement. you haven't been able to argue logically, so now you are resorting to name-calling? because i don't suffer from stockholm syndrome and don't identify with my oppressors, that makes me a "psychopath"? there is a clinical definition of psychopath, i suggest that you look it up, so that you know what it means, before you try to toss the word around carelessly.
the simple fact is, those who support a regime that causes tremendous suffering for people around the world, including for me personally, i'm not going to have a whole lot of sympathy if tragedy befalls them.
You are writing such nonsense. The first comment calling you an idiot was right. I should have left it at that.
First of all, Ann Coulter says that radiation is nutritious.. so just eat some and hush. Secondly, anyone who questions the sacrifice of their childrens or themselves for the purposes of furthering safety and freedom throughout the world is clearly a traitor. By all means, sacrifice your children then become the annoying bitch who claims high moral ground for doing so. Mass murder is always okay when your defending freedom..... fucking everywhere....... from the boogie man.
+1
I believe Coulter said it was both nutritious and delicious...so just eat some and hush.
Thanx for the laugh!
I think that all those parents throughout history who desperately ran and hid their children from the aggression meat grinder were soft. I personally will produce boy babies for the coggs until my uterus blows out. GOD WILLS IT!!!!!
I will of course be expecting the worship I am due for this.
Ms. No, you are off the chain!
I can't stop laughing. I have tears in my eyes- too funny!
"sad story. i would feel sorry for these people if they weren't part of an armed gang that terrorizes and kills innocent people, and destroys lives."
I'll be yer huckleberry.
I'm going to assume a few things: You are not 18-22 years old, in college, and spouting off everything you are currently reading or that your professor is telling you. You ARE an intelligent adult, who has some idea of history, has some idea of what propaganda is, and has some idea that most people on that ship, who were only trying to help people in need, were probably all in the age group of about 18 to 25. You are older than this, I assume, but you may well remember what it was like being that old. And maybe you don't fall into the following category, but most 18 to 25 year olds are very much molded by their parents ideas and molded by the society that, you and I, have helped to create, being adults. And that said 18 to 25 year olds, with their raging hormones and their basic FEAR of being alive and in this world shitty fucking world that we adults have created since the beginning of time, are mostly concerned with their next beer and the next place to put their seed, or accept seed, depending on gender, orientation, whathaveya. I assume that you do not have children, but if you do, that they think exactly like you do, and would never be in the military, terrorizing anyone who stands in their way, like any good villian would do in a Hollywood movie. Or maybe you will have children one day, if you don't already, and they will not think of you, and one will join the military. I guess they would be 'responsible' and that would sit well with you at their funeral if they died in the line of fire or died helping people out who just went through a catastrophe, etc., etc.
Damn. ZH seemed to have more sense just one year ago. Seems like it's turning into every other forum out there. These comments sections are basically like a forum. I used to love the comments section here. Oh well. SAD STORY.
If you bother, I'm sure you'll come back with some zingers. Don't bother. I won't answer. Not sure why I bothered to begin with. Just had to point out the fucking BS of it all, seeing as how, by the count I'm looking at now, there are 46 other assholes out there who agree with you. I hope my 'down' count for this is HUGE, that way I can sign off ZH all together. I have better things to do if this is the new ZH.
"I'll be yer huckleberry."
Prolly one of the best lines in one of the best movies ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfbAFgD2mLo
Misquoted "one of the best lines in one of the best movies ever"...
But at least Holliday was willing to stick around for the firefight, instead of "signing off" and "not responding".
"Say when!"
I think I can lip synch the whole movie.
You are probably right. Time to throw in the towel here. If I am not willing to back up what I say, then what is the point.
For any of you that have any brains left in this dumbed down country, you know well enough that it's already game over, was a long time ago, so commenting here at ZH is pretty much a moot point. I think I've really been understanding that in the last week. No reason really. It just hit me. The gravity of it all.
ZH will definitely still be one of my main news sources. Popcorn in hand.
Have fun everybody.
i agree with stacking. the cancer will strengthen the gene pool
i would feel sorry for these people if...
No, blame the bosses, not the grunts. (Or at least not most of them.)
So what is the moral of the story? Do not, not, encourage your children to join the military. I taught my kids early on about the Vietnam war which I saw firsthand, what America did to SE Asia and they were inquisitive enough to study history on their own. They wanted no part of the military-industrial complex and likewise many of their friends. Parents need to educate their children that the military is not unique, different, morally superior from the rest of government. There is no difference between a soldier and an IRS agent - one is trained to kill, the other to steal. The military has done an absolutely brilliant job of marketing itself as superior assisted by Prussian influenced public schools. Everyone can give stacking12321 thumbs down but ultimately he is correct.
Dead on rubicon.
If anyone thinks the navy gives a crap about their personnel take a look at this. From the Tampa Bay Times today. I repeat what I said earlier.....do NOT encourage your children to join the military.
Stacking 12321 - you may be wondering why you received so many red arrows - and there are those who would wonder why you got so many green arrows. I have one question - do you pay taxes? Because if you do, then you are part of the armed gang. Oh - you're forced to pay taxes? Well, those sailors were forced to go into harm's way.
But TEPCO wasn't forced to lie, and the US Navy brass wasn't forced to believe them without doing some serious vetting of the situation. So let's be clear about where the crimina;l responsibility lies. And it isn't with the sailors. Or with those who pay taxes.
Just wanted to clear things up a bit here.
Those sailors need to quit their bitching. I mean......they are already part of the BEST HEALTHCARE SYSTEM on the planet......right Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh ?
And now.......it's got even MORE STAIN REMOVING POWER WITH OBAMACARE !!!!
Besides.....they should ALL SPONTANEOUSLY HEAL just knowing that the American Sheeple support the troops....right ?????
Just rub a yellow ribbon on it...like a prayer cloth.....and SHAZAM !!!! CANCER IS GONE !!!!
Seriously.....sarcasm off......this shit should set a million people marching in Washington right now.
You will die from radiation poisoning even in the worst healthcare system in the world. Maybe we should import those old Soviet radiation pills and hand them out.
right Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh?
The only two guys left on the planet that still have decent healthcare.
And decent doctor prescribed drugs. Because it can only be by heavy drug usage that they still believe their own bullshit.
And this is coming from a former Rushbot who was listening and believing in him when he was a nobody in San Diego.
Tyler's KYODO link is nonexistent - http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2012/12/201783.html
If you try to search for "Operation Tomodachi Kyodo" from kyodonews.jp domain, the most you get is about Coca-Cola Company :-) so i assume Coca-Cola was heavily involved in Operation Tomodachi... what a weird of worldwide web - out of luck for archive traces too
The radiation in the pacific ocean is just now hitting the west coast, but it's not going to stop. Radiated water has been leaking from fukushima since 2011. It will continue to leak..probably forever. That is best case scenario, a catastrophic hole leaking radioactive waste into the pacific ocean. So...ya.
wait till it is the state of California V Tepco seeking 10 trillion in damages.
10 Trillion Yen? That's like $126 dollars, I think.
goddammit you are ruining the surprise!
Sorry. Sorry. Go on. Nobody noticed. They don't pay any attention to me. It'll still work.
Don't worry.
The global temperatures and climate have been going crazy lately. Our atmosphere has diminished due to the sun being inactive for so long. It still has a ways to go, we could see extreme cold weather in the future...now we have an ocean fucked. When do the radioactive hurricanes happen?? Do we get zombies then?? Oh please...
Or 0.00000000001 ounce of gold
"wait till it is the state of California V Tepco seeking 10 trillion in damages."
Boom...boom...out go the lights!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtsClj04oIE
ManWithaPlan, Correct! We know for a fact that three entire cores are in meltdown and parts or all of them have escaped containment. In short, melted through the floors of the containment structures and into the ground. TEPCO admits to not knowing where the cores are. There is no plan or even the hint of a plan to deal with the cores. This means you are 100% correct, "It will continue to leak ... probably forever."
See my post below. An RT story just released had TEPCO admitting to new record radiation reading, proven high level ground water contamination and new and larger leaks of radioactive water into the sea. With melted cores in contact with ground water, you have a permanent radioactive water machine, spewing it's poisons into the sea and into the water table. Wait till it migrates across the whole water table of this area of Japan!
TEPCO was covered by the media acting as an agent of government. We, as people, should all be outraged at the controlled media!
Anyone know if this is true. I saw a video on YouTube where the caretaker scientists at Chernobyl found the core in the sub-basement and is a solid mass.
This is really a nightmare. I know oil floats to the surface but what about radiation? Poor sea creatures and others harmed by this. Sick.
and we were worried about currencies
it's about the current see?
Indeed, 3 of Fukushima's reactor cores have breached their containment vessels and are admittedly "lost". There is no solution to this, as the technology necessary to recover reactor cores involved in a melt-through event simply does not exist(at least not in the 'white' world). This is particularly sad because it didn't have to be this way. TEPCO and the Japanese Govt's refusal to disclose the known facts in full and as they became known, and to seek international help is largely to blame for the current status of these 3 cores. And the corporate MSM is equally at fault for facilitating and peddling the propaganda and lies about the status and dangers of Fukushima. If the problem had been focused on immediately with no expense(or pride, ego etc) spared in the assembly of an international coalition, the situation would very likely be under control today.
Compare this event to Chernobyl. Although Chernobyl was a different type of disaster, in which a portion of the core was ejected from the building and the debris was subsequently piled back in before being entombed, the Soviets still faced an eventual melt-through event, which would contaminate the water table(as has undoubtedly already happened with Fukushima) and beyond. But in response to this threat, the Soviets undertook a massive operation to tunnel beneath the containment vessel and install a cooling system, which succeeded in halting an imminent melt-through event along with the significant additional problems which would have resulted.
TEPCO, along with the decision makers of the Japanese Government and the MSM(to start with) are now responsible for a disaster the likes of which the world has never seen. Absent the application of some new or possibly classified current technology, even if we all live long and healthy lives, many(or possibly even all) of us alive today will not be here long enough to see this problem solved.
Chernobyl was dealt with quickly. This..is completely different. This could be orders of magnitude worse. Who knows? Why don't we know? Hmm..
Chernobyl being land-locked, dispersment is limited. Fukushima is a dirty great faucet on the west coast of the Pacific, with a bloody great current eventually sweeping all that shit east. I would say orders of magnitude are off the scale.
Joe Takagi: "Hey, we're flexible. Pearl Harbor didn't work out so we got you with Sieverts".
JUST TO POUND THE NAIL INTO THE COFFIN OF TRUTH A LITTLE MORE, OUR READINGS ARE PROGRESSIVELY GETTING HIGHER AND HIGHER. NOT GOOD WHEN THESE READINGS ARE FAST APPROACHING THE ALERT LEVEL OF 100 CPM. ACCORDING TO THE EPA WEB SITE, THESE ARE LOW READINGS COMPARED TO WHAT IS REALLY COMING DOWN ON THE NATION OF SHEEP.
WHAT WE SEE IS REAL. WHAT THEY SAY...WELL...THE MILITARIZED LAME STREAM MEDIA PROPAGANDISTS WILL NEVER SAY. THEY TOO WILL DIE WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD'S PEOPLE, CLINCHING ONTO THEIR USELESS MONEY-GOD TO THE VERY END. UPON ARRIVAL AT THE WEIGH STATION OF SOULS(KA) THEY WILL FAST OUT WEIGH THE FEATHER. ONCE AGAIN, THE RULE IS: PASS YE BEYOND THE GATES OF THE NEXT SPIRITUAL WORLD WITHOUT A HEAVY HEART.
I like the board of directors
doing some "on site" work....
Oh, it will all be just fine....in like 10,000 years. It sux as I live in FEMA Region X, we will be receiving the brunt of the radioactive fallout. Time to go get some potassium iodide.
At least I have a 210 foot deep well for my water.
I would be interested in someone who has the actual engineering background to espouse or theorize about some of the necessary solutions. I have seem some good posts in the past on the nearly impossible task facing the Japanese.
Engineeering may or may not have any answers here. Most trained engineers are trained in applying solution A to problem A, solution B to problem B, etc. I suspect their work will result in a lot of machines that work, but don't solve the problem.
The closest thing expertise can offer is repurposing current technology. Like using a banana hoist as a ski lift, that sort of thing.
Here's one for free: Ship of Gold in the Deep Blue Sea was the story of a bunch of mechanical engineers trying to salvage 21 tons of gold coin and bullion off the sea floor at several hundred feet down. They tried a variety of baskets, pickers, robotic grips, nothing worked. Then they just sprayed a quick set polymer around the coins/ bullion, creating a mass that could be raised by a single cable.
Expertise can be limiting.
It's been almost 3 years of utter frustration for many of us who have bothered to follow Fukushima all this time. Not on CNN or Fox, mind you. But as long as we have retarded arguements such as who deserves to get cancer, 'they' can keep pulling the wool over our eyes on every single fucking issue that actually MATTERS.
Good job, America.
As fucking Duck Dynasty is about to start Civil War II for fucks sake.
The horror............the horror............
Good point "CosmicDebris". I agree that these side arguments about what the Navy sailors deserve is just what the Powers in Charge want. We always get sucked into the Left - Right argument. We are up against a Power Structure Based on Greed, they love when we ignore them and focus on Red Team - Blue Team. What is much worse is when people get into pissing matches over who is more patriotic!
So true. I will never forget the creepy green flash that was "just a H gas explosion"......mmmmkay
Go ahead, ask your coworkers/family/friends/neighbors about fukushima. Blank stares?
Now ask them their "thoughts" on the duck dynasty incident. Lots to say, I'm sure.
*Drinks more beer to quell the rage and depression*
As a former alcoholic I am qualified to inform you that consuming alcohol will do nothing to quell rage or depression......
Point taken, but don't give .gov any ideas. Pretty soon I'll have to read that disclaimer next time I buy a six pack.
That's why you mix the alcohol with, like, four diphenhydramine.
That works......
Or buy it pre-mixed.....it's called Nyquil.
Hey....it's no worse than Jagermeister.....taste wise anyway. Plus it helps my cold symptoms too......can't say the same of Jager. When I drink that instead of helping my cold I just end up cold......in a gutter.....downtown......in an alley......naked and robbed.
And for some strange reason your ass hurts.
Dammit.....thought I could get away with it not mentioning that part.
Jumbo "Bull Shit"I'm lovin it! Did you actually think you would escape unscathed?
LOL !!!
I suppose not. That's why I hang out here......lots of sharp folks to keep eveyone on their toes and not too deep in their own bullshit ! LOL !
I plussed you and I don't even know what that di-whatever is (thank you, Baby Jesus).
It's benadryl. It is also the main ingredient in OTC sleeping pills.
Really? I have thought for a long time that benedryl was petty harmless, relatively speaking. But I still don't take any meds except aspirin and sometimes alleve (sp?) 'fer me old knees.
Look into cold laser for the knees. We're trying it on our old lab/collie mix and it seems to be helping and it's only $25/session (probably more for humans, but aspirin adds up too).
Accupuncture helps enormously with dog arthritis pain. We paid a specialty vet a fortune to do it for years on our ancient corgi mix and our ancient shepherd mix, but you can easily DIY. You can buy the needles on Amazon, and practice on your own skin. I've shown other people (who couldn't afford the vet route) how to do it for their dogs (I showed them via my own skin; I wouldn't do it myself on them or their dogs for legal/liability reasons). When the goal is pain relief, the location of the needles doesn't matter much, within reason, as long as it is fairly close to the pain site: you are benignly filling pain receptors and also producing endorphins. This would be called "sham" accupuncture in the trials, but the funny thing (and the reason that the trials were so hard to interpret for so long) is that "sham" accupuncture works for pain. "Real" accupuncture changes opioid receptors in the brain, which is good too, but sham accupuncture is very effective for pain relief.
Free advice. Feed your Dog raw meat like his digestive system was designed to eat and he won't develop arthritis. Sounds crazy right? It makes total sense. Just as bad as the industry feeding cows grains when they should eat grass. Most People shouldn't have pets at all, except maybe a pet human.
So, can we call the ASPCA on the .1%, they're abusing their pet humans.
As an aside, feeding yoruself real food will alleviate a lot of aches and pains as well.
Right.....they get fatty oils and collagen. Let them chew and suck on the bones as well to get the marrow. Just the large bones....watch out for the rib bones....they splinter to easy.
If raw meat is not feasable then try Taste of the Wild
http://www.petfooddirect.com/Product/8783/Taste-of-the-Wild-High-Prairie...
It's a little pricey but my dogs love it and they thrive on it better than any dog food I've ever tried.
Also....supplement with some fish oil as well if need be....or even a dash of olive oil in their feed. Helps their coat as well.
Warning: The consumption of alcohol may provide a brief respite from the shit sandwich known as "your life". If this joy proves to be more than temporary, we may just have to ban it again. Oh yeah, don't drive a tractor if you are completely hammered.
Took me 35 years before that moment of clarity
To assume there is no God demands extreme speculation
How do you read the comments on this site on a saturday night alcohol-free and stay alcohol-free? Either you're nuts or you're me.
Sometimes it is almost with tears in my eyes when I read about what has happened to our once great country. But, at least I read it all sober.
It takes a big person to cry, but it takes a bigger person to laugh at that person.
Stephen Wright
It took a lot of blood, sweat and tears to get to where we are today, but we have just begun. Today we begin in earnest the work of making sure that the world we leave our children is just a little bit better than the one we inhabit today.
Barack Obama
Both tears and sweat are salty, but they render a different result. Tears will get you sympathy; sweat will get you change.
Jesse Jackson
When did the future switch from being a promise to a threat?
Chuck Palahniuk
I thought that was Jack Handy?
http://www.babson.us/quotes/deep_thoughts.html
greenie for you, nice catch. I get them mixed up sometimes.
WTF! Now I'm crying~~~ waves of tears.
It takes a bigger asshole to laugh at that person.
eddiebe
well said my friend.
well said.
Twenty three years ago...Sweet Clarity found the Heart of Consciousness. No chemically radioactive cigarettes...no al-kill-hol.
Give thanks...one day at a time.
I was only drunk once in my life but it was for 17 years.......
38 years for me knuks and a hard bounce for me to get there. God is my only explanation for me as well.
The road to Damascus is well trodden........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZbN_nmxAGk
The drinks are NOT on me tonight guys......the bar's closed.
Well done, Jumbo. If you can see her perform live, it is one of the best shows you can see.
With Tony Rice is even better.
"God is my only explanation for me as well."
Yah bless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10EU3_tcMGY
I have respect for people trying to do what they feel like they need to do but, the whole "powerless" thing is bullshit to me. I think that's the most poisonous of lies and at the root of a lot of problems. People, in general, need to accept the responsibility of the power that they have. And you know I luv ya' Knukka!
Here's hoping you never need to understand. The climb ain't worth the view when it comes to that stuff.
You don't need to get shot in the gut to understand it hurts a shitload and isn't worth the experience just to be able to say you made it out alive.
You say I don't understand. I've known a lot of people (related and not) with substance abuse problems. Most of them have been shooting themselves in the gut to see how it feels (myself included in the past). And don't want to accept the fact that they know they're wrecking their body. There is an utter lack of sense of self-responsibility these days that is absolutley killing us. Go call your nanny.
Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. There is no cure, only abstanance.
So true. Duck Dynasty was a recent topic at a family function. Then a sports team. Then some other BS. If I mentioned Fuku, Corzine or NANEX charts of FONC release, they'd throw me to th kiddie table. Frankly, that'd be preferable. Kids can spot bullshit better than most adults.
Party pooper
GAK! - "the kiddie table" - funny. Sing me some fucking sleigh-bells-ringin', LOL.