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What Do Americans Believe In? (Spoiler Alert: "Evolution" And "Ghosts" Are Neck And Neck)

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Perhaps it is because the prevalent theme of the past five years has been the ascent of central planning in the name of the Bernanke wealth effect, headed by Saint Ben himself, that has forced Americans to reassess, and moderate, their belief in "conventional" topics such as god, miracles and heaven. According to a new Harris Poll while a strong majority (74%) of U.S. adults do believe in God, this belief is in decline when compared to previous years as just over four in five (82%) expressed a belief in God in 2005, 2007 and 2009.

Also, while majorities also believe in miracles (72%, down from 79% in 2005), heaven (68%, down from 75%), that Jesus is God or the Son of God (68%, down from 72%), the resurrection of Jesus Christ (65%, down from 70%), the survival of the soul after death (64%, down from 69%), the devil, hell (both at 58%, down from 62%) and the Virgin birth (57%, down from 60%), these are all down from previous Harris Polls. Belief in Darwin's theory of evolution, however, while well below levels recorded for belief in God, miracles and heaven, is up in comparison to 2005 findings (47%, up from 42%).

There is good news: the ascent of the mandarin of Marriner Eccles to the pinnacle of Keynesian socio-economic "religion" has also to increased the number of people who believe in Darwin's theory of evolution.... to just under half of all Americans. While well below levels recorded for belief in God, miracles and heaven, is up in comparison to 2005 findings (47%, up from 42%). The bad news is that nearly the same amount of Americans who believe in evolution also believe in ghosts: according to the Harris poll 42% of Americans believe in ghosts, 36% each believe in creationism and UFOs, 29% believe in astrology, 26% believe in witches and 24% believe in reincarnation - that they were once another person.

In summary, this is what Americans believe in:

 

The list above broken down by generation and political affiliation:

 

How certain are Americans in the existence of god:

 

What is the gender of god:

 

The Bible, the Torah, or the Koran: which book captures the word of god.

 

Finally, how religious do Americans see themselves as:

 

Some additional color from Harris:

Generational & political divides

Echo Boomers are less likely than their counterparts in all older generations to express belief in God (64% Echo Boomers, 75% Gen Xers, 81% Baby Boomers, 83% Matures), miracles (65%, 74%, 76% and 78%, respectively), that Jesus is God or the Son of God (58%, 67%, 74% and 75%, respectively) and angels (59%, 71%, 73% and 68%, respectively.

On the other end of the generational spectrum, Matures are far less likely than any other generation to express belief in ghosts (44% Echo Boomers, 46% Gen Xers, 46% Baby Boomers, 24% Matures), witches (27%, 29%, 28% and 18%, respectively) and reincarnation (27%, 25%, 23% and 13%, respectively).

Turning to the political spectrum, Democrats and Independents show similar levels of belief in most of the tested concepts, with Republicans consistently more likely than either group to express belief in those concepts aligned with the Judeo-Christian belief system; Republicans are less likely than either group to express belief in Darwin's theory of evolution (36% Republicans, 52% Democrats, 51% Independents).

Absolute certainty that there is a God down vs. 10 years ago

In a separate line of questioning, focused on Americans' degree of certainty that there is or is not a God, two-thirds of Americans (68%) indicate being either absolutely or somewhat certain that there is a God, while 54% specify being absolutely certain; these figures represent drops of 11 and 12 percentage points, respectively, from 2003 testing, where combined certainty was at 79% and absolute certainty was at 66%.

Meanwhile, combined belief that there is no God (16%) and uncertainty as to whether or not there is a God (also 16%) are both up from 2003 findings (when these levels were 9% and 12%, respectively).

Outside of specific religious samples, the groups most likely to be absolutely certain there is a God include blacks (70%), Republicans (65%), Matures (62%) and Baby Boomers (60%), Southerners (61%) and Midwesterners (58%), and those with a high school education or less (60%).

 

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Sun, 12/22/2013 - 00:04 | 4267718 Falling Down
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In the name of ghosties and yoo-fo's, AMEN!

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 00:32 | 4267754 Flakmeister
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No wonder we are so fucked....

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 06:00 | 4268065 trader1
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global warming didn't even make the list!  

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 21:41 | 4268457 Flakmeister
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It wasn't asked...

The polls show that a overwhelming strong majority of Americans understand the climate is changing though...

This is from last Friday

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/19/americans-global-warming/4127803/

The latest GISTemp global temperature anomaly map show that NA was the only area of significance below average for November, otherwise it was the hottest November on record....

November Anomaly Map

It was cold in NA but check out Russia....

Here is all the historical data going back to 1880

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

Edit: Central Park NY and Charleston SC each set record highs today.. 

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 06:19 | 4270288 trader1
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a glimmer of hope for mankind?  say it isn't so!

 

kind of humorous that article is written by a miss wendy KOCH.  there's no relation to those brothers, though.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 08:13 | 4270382 overmedicatedun...
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Flak, a repost to you, as you (of course) never reply to a shot in the bulls eye: AGW is your false god, and here is the fruit of your your devout faith in man made global warming: fraud writ large:

To all the AGW is fixed science: predictions from year 2000 and earlier:

"1. Within a few years "children just aren't going to know what snow is." Snowfall will be "a very rare and exciting event." Dr. David Viner, senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, interviewed by the UK Independent, March 20, 2000.

When it didn't get cold the CRU changed their minds. Now they are saying that the horribly cold/snowy winters are caused by Global Warming

2. "[By] 1995, the greenhouse effect would be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…[By 1996] The Platte River of Nebraska would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers." Michael Oppenheimer, published in "Dead Heat," St. Martin's Press, 1990.

Actually if there are crop failures it is because of the cold and bad weather. And as far as the drought NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center shows that precipitation -- rain and snow -- has increased slightly over the century.

3. "Arctic specialist Bernt Balchen says a general warming trend over the North Pole is melting the polar ice cap and may produce an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the year 2000." Christian Science Monitor, June 8, 1972. In 2008 Dr. David Barber of Manitoba University said "We're actually projecting this year that the North Pole may be free of ice for the first time," (ignoring the many earlier times the Pole has been ice free).

Actually Arctic Ice, is thicker and temperatures are not rising.


4. "Using computer models, researchers concluded that global warming would raise average annual temperatures nationwide two degrees by 2010." Associated Press, May 15, 1989.

Status of prediction: According to NASA, global temperature has increased by about 0.7 degrees Fahrenheit since 1989. And U.S. temperature has increased even less over the same period. And thats the NASA numbers which have been known to have a problem accuracy, because instead of collecting data from temperature stations, NASA makes assumptions regarding what the temperatures should be.



5. "By 1985, air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half." Life magazine, January 1970.

Life Magazine also noted that some people disagree, "but scientists have solid experimental and historical evidence to support each of the following predictions." With the possible exception of the atmosphere directly over congress,  air quality has actually improved since 1970. Studies find that sunlight reaching the Earth fell by somewhere between 3 and 5 percent over the period in question.

6. "If present trends continue, the world will be ... eleven degrees colder by the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age." Kenneth E.F. Watt, in "Earth Day," 1970. Remember before we were warned about global warming, we were told that the Earth was facing an Ice age.

7. "By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people ... If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000." Ehrlich, Speech at British Institute For Biology, September 1971.

Granted, Obama is no fan of our close friends across the pond, but according to today's news, England was still there.

8. "In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish." Ehrlich, speech during Earth Day, 1970

Maybe he was talking about the US Gulf Coast during the BP oil spill?

9. Al Gore sold his scary global warming film, An Inconvenient Truth, shown in almost every school in the country, with a poster of a terrible hurricane. Former US president Bill Clinton later gloated: "It is now generally recognized that while Al Gore and I were ridiculed, we were right about global warming. . . It's going to lead to more hurricanes."

Contrary to the hysterical nonsense being spewed by global warming experts, the past 50 years has been about the quietest on record for US hurricanes. The 1940s was the worst. Researchers at Florida State University concluded that the 2007 and 2008 hurricane seasons had the least tropical activity in the Northern Hemisphere in 30 years. This year there were plenty of hurricanes in the Atlantic, but they were generally weak and did not hit land. Pacific hurricanes were at a record low in 2010.

10. The Silly Stuff- Those Global Warming Moonbats figure out ways to blame the dumbest things on global warming. I call it the official crazy list of things Moonbats say global warming causes. The list contains, Incredible shrinking sheep, Invasion of jellyfish in the Mediterranean, Surge in fatal shark attack, Boy Scout tornado deaths, Severe acne, Global conflictBeer tasting different, Suicide of farmers in Australia, Bigger tuna fish,Longer days, Shorter daysCollapse of gingerbread houses in Sweden, Cow infertility, UFO sightings in the UK, Rise in insurance premiums, and Heroin addiction and a rise in bear attacks in Japan  and Frigid Cold Winters in Great Britain, and Cancer, Death  from heart disease, diabetes, stroke, respiratory disease and even accidents, homicide, suicide,water -borne disease outbreaks,heavier, wetter snowstorms treacherous for travel and ambulation, Lyme disease, swarms of allergy-inducing, stinging insects, along with mosquitoes and devastating pine bark beetle infestations and the spread of forest and crop pests just to name a few.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:16 | 4270657 Flakmeister
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Long on sophistry and short on scientific facts...

You do realize that the validity of AGW is not determined by cherry picking quotes, (and for the most part, out of context)...

You are a clearly a clown in denial....

Edit:

PS Cut and pasting without attribution is being an intellectual douche.... 

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 00:39 | 4267767 rsnoble
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If you want to know why we're fucked go walk around walmart and look around.  Any intelligence is quickly diluted.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 00:41 | 4267773 lamont cranston
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Shit, I had a postcard back in the 60s showing Bear Bryant walking on water in Mobile Bay. It simply said, "I Believe"

Met him as a grad student tutoring athletes in 1974. Melted in his presence. He just looked over those half moon glasses while talking at me for a minute. 

I then understood the meaning of what you'd do as a true beliver. Sorry Nick Saban, you ain't ever going to get that postcard. 

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:03 | 4267802 besnook
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it is clear gen x and y are the godless generations responsible for the fall of the usa. pat robertson warned us and none of y'all listened.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:26 | 4267832 TheFourthStooge-ing
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pat robertson warned us and none of y'all listened.

I thought we wuz sposed ta listen to Billy May.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:10 | 4267813 Freewheelin Franklin
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I'ma Pastafarian. I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, bitchez.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:25 | 4267836 All_Your_Base
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Ramen

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:30 | 4267842 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Noodly appendage citizenism citizens love to depict themselves as innovative.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:59 | 4267881 All_Your_Base
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I'm more cafeteria pastafarian. The scotta and al dente denominations are too much of a strain.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:27 | 4267835 All_Your_Base
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I believe we have achieved equal protection under the law for all free men and women.

By equal protection, I mean absolutely no protection. Bitchez.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:46 | 4267858 Yen Cross
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      Excellent comment.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:48 | 4267870 hidingfromhelis
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Unfortunately, some are more equal than the rest of us.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:46 | 4267868 honestann
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And people object when I say humans are insane?

Sheesh!

One final item that was not contained in their tables:

How many humand do not believe in anything that doesn't exist.

Result:  0.001% (maximum).

Corollary: 99.999% of humans are insane.

Ain't that the truth?

Yes indeed.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 08:01 | 4268142 negative rates
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You're right, there are only 3 sane people on the planet at the current time, But, we only need the 4th person to start building utopia, until then, it was designed to be a hell on earth and heaven because of past human sins. Our problem is that the job is easier said than done and the Gods won't quit until their objective is 100% complete.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 02:04 | 4267887 BeagleOne
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Who really gives a s**t?  Utah just legalized gay marriage and the World did not come to an end...

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 05:06 | 4268031 Harbanger
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Correction, an activist federal judge overrode the will of the people who voted against it.  It's modern democracy.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 02:23 | 4267906 starman
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Tyler you need to use spell check ,  its good not god

like good morning not god morning.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 02:48 | 4267933 Rukeysers Ghost
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It has just been confirmed. I do live amung the Godless.

 

Does that mean I can start doing blow again?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 03:19 | 4267970 lasvegaspersona
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turtles...all the way down...

at least folks believe in less...if only that meant they were demanding proof of statements...likely it just means they are bummed out...

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 03:44 | 4267981 Manic by Proxy
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In a related development, a recent survey showed that God's belief in humans has declined a Fibonacci 61% from the peak of 1992 A.D. This apogee of God's certainty of people coincided with the release of "Army of Darkness". When asked if this was merely coincidence, God exclaimed "Are you kiddin' me?! Haven't you seen that flick? It is so divinely bitchen. That was no coincidence. You're not using the brains I gave you. Coincidence? Jesus!"

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 03:42 | 4267984 monad
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Apparently you believe in groundless bullshit based on  'statistical' claims alleging nonexistent sources.

I believe I can take you. 

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 03:46 | 4267989 Kirk2NCC1701
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Looking at these stats, all I see is OPPORTUNITY.

Opportunity for the Clergy (glorified shamans), Politicians and Entrepreneurs. Nothing like shifts in market segments to create career and lifestyle opportunities.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 04:25 | 4268007 e_goldstein
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"In God We Trust"

(Copyright of the Federal Reserve System)

It's irrelevant if God exists or not. The TPTB use the belief in God to keep ass-raping us.

Merry Christmas, bitchez.

 

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 07:12 | 4268100 ThorAss
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How could anyone believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 07:50 | 4268128 gwar5
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Have to agree with you on that. LBJ's mistress of 20 years spilled the beans before she died and said the night of 21 Nov, 1963, LBJ, Hoover, and some big wigs met at a  party at which LBJ said Kennedy would no longer be a problem. JFK had no shortage of people who wanted him gone.

 

LBJ had a hired killer as an associate and an investigation into one of LBJs killings was closing in on him. As president, LBJ immediately stopped the investigation and gave himself a get out of jail free card. The FED, mafia, and MIC all cheered.

 

 

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 07:29 | 4268110 gwar5
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Atheism requires a random universe which is proven untrue. The most current calculation puts the odds that our universe is random at only 1 chance in 10^500th power.  That is the academically polite way of saying atheism is magic, mysticism, and fucking impossible. Anything over 10^50th is considered impossible, so 10^450th is a whole lot of bitter clinging instead of investigating the extra-dimensional alternative.  

 

Charles Darwin was first to say Natural Selection and God are not mutually exclusive and that external intervention required for life to overcome the 2nd law of thermodynamics. A dream team of atheists came to the same conclusion a mere 2 decades ago when they tried to prove life randomly occurred. It left them badly shaken. Their retard parting shot was that space aliens must have done it, without explaining how space aliens overcame the same creation of life problem.  

Physicist Leonard Susskind (and Einstein, et al) says our reality is not the real reality, it is a space-time illusion; and the real reality is in the singularity which preexisted and still coexists, and we are simultaneously bi-located in each. Everything is really quantum information that is independent of space-time and our perception of reality is just a projection of a tiny bit of the information. Nobel Prizes are being given out for proving the physics of the Bible

Question is, who or what created and filters the information? Who is the original observer who collapsed the wave function of our universe to start the Von Neuman chain?  The last 100 years of physics has completely demolished the 19th century Newtonian worldview and only a fool still thinks intelligent life and consciousness can only exist within our limited 4 dimensional definition when Stephen Hawkings doesn't even knows what time and space really are. 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 09:25 | 4268206 Tall Tom
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Just where did you get that figure, 1 in 10500 ?

 

Personally I would believe the Odds to be even slimmer that a "Chance Universe" manifested, an infinitesimal, but I agree with your point. Just where did you get that figure?

 

In Engineering the odds of 1 in 1050 is considered an absurdity and not considered to be a valid point of consideration. Of course your number is Ten Magnitudes in order less than that of an absurdity thus is ten times more likely not to be a point of consideration. So any competent Engineer would not even consider a "Chance Manifestation" of the Universe.

 

So if it was not a "Chance Manifestation" then is was a Designed Manifestation which means that one must infer a Designer.

 

Yes I agree with you. But just where did you get the number? I have not been able to quantify it.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 09:11 | 4268119 falak pema
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A Good question to ask yourself, in this age of Neo feudal resurgence based on money, is the time line of American aristocracy. Its past born during the "Guilded Age" of nascent American capitalism, post Civil war, dominated by the scions of the Northern Yankee Wasp clans during the Grant and subsequent presidencies which spawned the breed of WASPocracy, big business kings of US industry and Finance; of which the Bush, Roosevelt, HArriman, Morgan and Rockerfeller families are good examples; all born around Boston, aka with episcopal Mayflower roots.

Here is a great article from WSJ that traces the evolution of America's aristocratic lineage from Waspish barons to Meritocratic capitalists that run Pax AMericana today : 

The Late, Great American WASP - WSJ.com

WHat do Americans believe in? 

If its the lineage that are the roots of excellence, here is something to chew on! 

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 08:17 | 4268151 Peter Pan
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One wonders to what extent people are truthful in their responses.

One also wonders to what extent the child molesation cases in the Ctholic church have affected the percentages.

Too bad they coukd not interview the NSA, FBI, CIA ETC

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 09:10 | 4268189 22winmag
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It's those Godless commies mucking things up.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 09:12 | 4268194 Heffer
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“My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy, mentally healthy child is: Keep him or her as far away from a church as you can.” 
-Frank Zappa

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 09:37 | 4268219 Michelle
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In my home Jesus is THE Reason for the Season...

Merry Christmas to ALL!

 

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 09:49 | 4268237 whatthecurtains
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I believe I am god damned tired of reading all these frickin polls.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 09:55 | 4268248 Dr.Engineer
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Before you minus me read this post in entirety and keep an open mind.

Neo-Darwinian evolution is becoming less and less scientifically tenable as scientists learn more about genetics and the complexity of the simples cell.  See http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=dow....

And "Yes" I know what I am talking about because I read the latest research published in peer reviewed journals (not the crap that is in the textbooks).

Here is a parable that highlights the new difficulties that need to be communicated lest science be highjacked by the jihadist evolutionists.

You wake up one day to find yourself on a space station called “LLEC”.  By your side there is a box that is labeled “Answer Box”.  You decide to give it a try.  “What is the shell of the space station made of?”  The answer is “An extremely thin wall that adapts to be maximally strong based on external conditions.”

Looking out a portal window you see that material is being docked and allowed into the station.  You also see that refuse is being removed from the station. Machines that look like trains are taking the new material in and pushing the refuse out.  The machines appear to be on tracks and able to handle loads of varying weight, managing the large loads by shifting transmission gears.

Walking along you see several huge mechanic machines.  Suddenly, a message rocket flies into the side of one mechanic and it begins making a second machine.  Parts are provided to the mechanic by a flurry of part machines.  This new second machine then sets about doing some work.  Another rocket flies into the side of the mechanic and it proceeds to make a third machine.  The third machine begins to do work, wobbles, teeters, and then veers off.  Suddenly a police-like machine tags the errant machine.  A disassembly machine appears, grabs the malfunctioning one, disassembles it, and provides its pieces to the mechanic.  You ask the Answer Box “What happened?”  It replies that “The mechanic receives messages to build different machines for different purposes.  These messages have strict quality-control standards on them and so do the constructed machines.  The environment can detect if a faulty machine is built.”

To your left there appears to be an assembly line to manufacture various other machines.  At the end of the line is some sort of delivery apparatus that tweaks new machines and delivers them to locations in the space station.  As you continue walking along you just about step on a sanitary machine that scoops up some goop on the floor.

There are several power plant machines to your right.  They take material in and produce energy batteries for use by the other machines.  “Is there some sort of software that runs these machines?” you ask.  The Answer Box replies, “Yes, let’s go to the information center.”

While walking, you ask, “What does the space station do?”  The answer is “It carefully creates copies of itself by meticulous manufacturing processes.”  At the information center you see 23 very dense looking memory boxes.  The Answer Box continues:  “The information center’s software data is 4.3 billion bits of information, about 1 CD ROMs worth of material.    That software data controls the entire behavior of the space station. This is more software than in the original Microsoft XP.  The information is stored using specialized compression techniques as well.  From this information, the messages for the rockets are constructed.  In some cases, a computer program (#1) created from this data will use additional data to create another computer program (#2) that finally creates a message rocket.  In essence, a computer program in the data writes another computer program.”

It continues:  “Copying portions of this information to create the machines would be very error prone, except for the exceptional quality-control mechanisms.  First, the information is stored in a format that minimizes errors, using a specific code with parity bits.  Second, the message rockets go through several checkpoints during their construction to check for errors.  Then the message is proofread and corrections are added, if needed.  Fourth, final checks are done just before the rocket leaves the information center.  This quality-control is important because message rockets can carry messages for 3 or 4 machines and these machines all need to run perfectly.  The error rate is less than 1 bit error for every 10,000,000 bits read.”

Finally you ask, “How did this complex, unmanned, robotic, fully automated structure come to be?  Who designed this amazing space station?”
The Answer Box replies “It is a fortunate accident.  It came about by chance processes with no apparent purpose.”

Surely the reply given by the Answer Box seems strikingly over simplistic.  Would you believe the Answer Box, that this space station is an accident and not well-engineered?  What is the evidence that it is an accident?  What is the evidence that it is well-engineered?

Perhaps the Answer Box is possibly believable.  What if the engineering feat were a little more challenging?  Let’s say the space station was shrunk to ten micrometers, about the size of a human hair.  Surely that would be an impressive engineering feat.

Still, let’s up the difficulty level again:  do not build the shrunken space station using metals, plastics, or any other normal construction material but only use biological material which easily degrades,  easily reacts with external chemicals, and can be destroyed by sunlight or the presence of oxygen.

Now, what reasonable justification is there that a “shrunken space station made of biological material that is the size of a human hair” is not well-engineered?

By the way, the space station LLEC is really the “cell”.  The Answer Box is “the sciences.”

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 10:13 | 4268266 Took Red Pill
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Leave it to ZH to pull out something controversial like religion to get people stirred up at Christmas time. Surprising to me that 68% believe in angels but only 47% believe in Darwin's theory of evolution. UFO's is kind of odd at only 36%. To believe in UFO's doesn't necessarily mean extra terrestrials. Just means an unidentified flying object. There's been so many sightings by some very credible people going back all through history. I think people just don't want to admit it to avoid being laughed at. As for witches, I know several personally and I know they exist. It is a religion in itself. Only 26% believe these people exist? It's like saying Muslims don't exist. People are free to believe what they want to believe. I just don't like it when they try to force their beliefs on me.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 11:34 | 4268344 Tall Tom
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Witches exist? Who are you to tell me that witches exist? You...you are forcing that down my throat with your ridicule.

 

/sarc

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 10:19 | 4268280 booboo
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Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

little tidbits such as this, written long before the "great intellectual" were convinced that the earth was flat give me pause and confirms in me where the last place most people look for answers to common questions is the best place to start. To think of the human cost in burning the heritics and mind power wasted on something that was answered in a "fictional book" And we still insist on living in the dark ages when it comes to life.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 17:35 | 4269189 SmackDaddy
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youre dumb as fuck.  the intellectuals you speak of were church funded.  thomas aquinas said over a thousand years ago to not take the bible literally.  yet here we are.  jesus h christ on a fucking crutch

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 23:06 | 4269835 booboo
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Nice retort retard, spoken like true catholic salad tosser, heavy on rhetoric light on truth.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 10:37 | 4268289 dobermangang
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They seem to believe in Phil Robertson and free speech.  Check out the comments on the Cracker Barrel Old Country Store facebook page.  CBRL just might be a good short candidate now.  Their customers are furious.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 12:57 | 4268493 enloe creek
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I like the fireplace and decor etc at CB , but my local restaurant has great greek omelets made with three eggs tomatos feta and gyro meat etcc
those are about two thirds the price of the chain restaurants even though the staff is all recent immigrants i don't mind

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 11:00 | 4268316 infinity8
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When did they come up with "echo boomers". Sounds like a mighty fart. I thought they were Y's and millenials. And why do both boomer groups get 18 yrs and the X's only 11?

And "which book ""captures"" the word of god?" - LOL. These words are killin' me.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 11:51 | 4268377 cheetahbaby
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Would the departed never nowhere nohow reappear? Ever he would wander, selfcompelled, to the extreme limit of his cometary orbit, beyond the fixed stars and variable suns and telescopic planets, astronomical waifs and strays, to the extreme boundary of space, passing from land to land, among peoples, amid events. Somewhere imperceptibly he would hear and somehow reluctantly, suncompelled, obey the summons of recall. Whence, disappearing from the constellation of the Northern Crown he would somehow reappear reborn above delta in the constellation of Cassiopeia and after incalculable eons of peregrination return an estranged avenger, a wreaker of justice on malefactors, a dark crusader, a sleeper awakened, with financial resources (by supposition) surpassing those of Rothschild or the silver king.
Read more at http://quotes.dictionary.com/search/cassiopeia?page=1#GBy3e8iDUOpYPTIJ.99
Sun, 12/22/2013 - 12:14 | 4268413 muleskinner
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Deists believe in a Natural God and Natural Law.  They don't believe in revealed religions where there is fire and brimstone and God's wrath will punish the wicked.  Deists know that is all bullshit.

What is the Big Bang Theory other than creation?  The Primordial Substance precipitates into the Universe.  

If there is no god, then there has to be another word other than God, who doesn't exist, because he doesn't exist.  Any reference to God and his non-existence must not include the word God.  There is no God, can't use the word God then.

Deism eliminates all of the snake oil the religions have foisted upon the Great Unwashed.

If you want to believe in Revelations, you can.

If you want your Armegeddon, you can have your Armegeddon.

 

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 12:42 | 4268460 TrulyStupid
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This is a completely useless survey, it only points out the amount of cognitive dissonance out there...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 18:55 | 4268465 Metal Minded
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This statistical analysis overlooks the ongoing so-called Spiritual Awakening- forgotten now by most, but which was much trumpeted just a few years ago, only to be dismissed by many as a quixotic fad. This Spiritual Awakening is not and cannot be a cultural phenomenon, but is actually happening or not happening on an individual basis. It  symbolizes a weakness, on an historic scale, of the authoritarian, hierarchical institutions which currently rule our lives. This spirituality is that which has been religious heresy and illegal activity for over 1500 years, that of Pantheism. What is being explored is the knowledge that we are not human physical bodies in which there is a soul, but that we are the everlasting and eternal soul(which is the unconditional love which is Spirit) that resides temporarily in the physical body.
Dwell in the Spirit this Christmas time, for that Spirit dwells in you at all times. By this means, know the peace, love, joy, and freedom which is your essential nature, certainly appropriate for the Season. My best to each and every one at this time of year; whether you find your spirituality through monotheism, pantheism, polytheism, paganism, animism, agnosticism, gnostic practice, and, yes, even atheism(forgive me if I left you out, it is unintentional). After all, most of the regulars here at ZH are Americans, and probably our most cherished freedom is the Freedom of Religion.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 12:55 | 4268487 falak pema
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Instead of discussing God and spooks to the nth degree, revelation and shamans who sing  "confess or face God's eternal ire" we should attribute each other dogecoin points for making good posts on ZH.

It seems an altruistic scheme based on a joke as explained in this post :

What Is Dogecoin - Business Insider

I prefer contributing to a dogecoin club via our forum jousts than trying to mine a Bitcoin or buy a derivative bet in fiat shit coin. 

This sounds like more fun !

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 13:06 | 4268518 Himself
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Freedom is the ability to know and do what is Right rather then what we have chosen in the USA which is pursuing Pleasure and Convenience.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 13:27 | 4268587 enloe creek
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eating chocolate chip cookis now
thanks universe Cause i know it was by design that they re here

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 13:29 | 4268588 enloe creek
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eating chocolate chip cookis now
thanks universe Cause i know it was by design that they re here

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 14:06 | 4268692 cpnscarlet
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A final word to all the aetheists and Darwin worshippers -

If there is no creator and the universe is just a jumble of random physical events, then the universe has no purpose and is an ultimate absurdity. Therefore, since you atheists are in the universe, anything you believe is without purpose and an ultimate absurditiy. Your existence is internally inconsistent and rational people do well to ignore you.

Congratulations, morons. The "Bible Thumper" Rocket Scientist laughs hysterically.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 14:08 | 4268702 Audacity17
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Of course miracles exist.  How else do you explain the election of a unqualified, homosexual marxist to be POTUS?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 14:27 | 4268741 Kirk2NCC1701
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I don't believe that anyone flagged the one major Inconvenient Truth:  More people have been killed in the name of that One God, than in any other wars or atrocities.

It's high time we (as a species) stopped using imaginary entities as Crutches, Mood-Pills, Props, Pretexts and Weapons.  NO FATE, BUT THE ONE WE MAKE.

All ye gods are... ffffFIRED!  Or should be.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 15:09 | 4268818 Josey Montana
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I don't know where you militant bigots get that bit about men killing in the name of Christ or his Church.

Pardon my pre-PC but rather thorough studies of history because what I read was account after account of politicians ("kings" and "popes") furthering their very earthly careers by fighting very earhtly wars.  Sometimes they would use very earthly intrigues short of war (as in the very not-very-Christian Borgias. 

So yes, when my Huguenot forefathers, actual nobility in France mind you, fought the "Wars of Religion" of course "Religion" was the name bcause ambitious Catholick princes desired very absolute power for very unchristian reasons over their cousins who refused to be pushed around using religion as the excuse du jour.  (The week before it was "subjucation" and the week before that it was "because I say so".)

You might as well claim that "all wars are fought over imaginary borders" and blame the consequent deaths on land-holding.

So why don't you stop with the really stupid and unthinking insults, if you don't mind. Otherwise, you people will succeed in starting yet another useless war -- only this time it will be made over gross inflamming provocation instead of pretended religious differences.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 15:11 | 4268829 Uncle Remus
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."you people will succeed in starting yet another useless war -- only this time it will be made over gross inflamming provocation instead of pretended religious differences."

How will we tell?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 15:19 | 4268851 akarc
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We'll ask....

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 15:20 | 4268846 akarc
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"I don't know where you militant bigots get that bit about men killing in the name of Christ or his Church."

History maybe?

"So yes, when my Huguenot forefathers, actual nobility in France mind you"

As opposed to inactual nobility?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 14:36 | 4268749 monad
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The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 14:57 | 4268798 Josey Montana
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Oh pooh.  Here I am a Yankee Mayflower/SAR type with an Ivy graduate degree and an on-again/off-again relationship with Mensa ...

and not only do I believe in God, heaven and hell, I believe Jesus Christ died to save sinners.

Huh.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 15:09 | 4268826 Uncle Remus
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And a Mason.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 15:18 | 4268841 akarc
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"an on-again/off-again relationship with Mensa ..."

Can't figure it out?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 15:15 | 4268835 Uncle Remus
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Sounds like most Americans apply religion wrong and in too high a dosage.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 15:49 | 4268912 Your Creator
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There is a creator, that's all you need to know.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 16:04 | 4268938 Weyland_Yutani
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Evolution is a fact. It's not something you believe in. I wonder if Americans believe in gravity...

Believing in myths and fairytales from the Bronze Age and taking them as historical account is really fascinating, and really fucking stupid.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 20:00 | 4269468 Himself
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"...and really fucking stupid." So you believe in the moral responsibility to choose Truth over Falsity indicated by your shaming of those who you consider to be believing in something False?

 

Question: How much does an ounce of Morality go for these days? I can't seem to find it on the charts...

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 21:19 | 4269629 Emergency Ward
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I see the lights
I see the Party lights, Red and Green and Blue,
I see Creationist Ghosts
of Evolution Past
and Reincarnation too,

Everybody (everybody) in the crowd was there, but you won't let me make the scene....

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 22:45 | 4269781 eaglerock
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Everything I know about religion, I learned from The Onion.  

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 08:01 | 4270364 Trampy
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There is good news: the ascent of the mandarin of Marriner Eccles to the pinnacle of Keynesian socio-economic "religion" has also to increased the number of people who believe in Darwin's theory of evolution.... to just under half of all Americans.

Wow!

There is good news: the ascent of the mandarin of Marriner Eccles to the pinnacle of Keynesian socio-economic "religion" has also to increased the number of people who believe in Darwin's theory of evolution.... to just under half of all Americans.

Wow!

There is good news: the ascent of the mandarin of Marriner Eccles to the pinnacle of Keynesian socio-economic "religion" has also to increased the number of people who believe in Darwin's theory of evolution.... to just under half of all Americans.

Wow!

There is good news: the ascent of the mandarin of Marriner Eccles to the pinnacle of Keynesian socio-economic "religion" has also to increased the number of people who believe in Darwin's theory of evolution.... to just under half of all Americans.

Wow!

There is good news: the ascent of the mandarin of Marriner Eccles to the pinnacle of Keynesian socio-economic "religion" has also to increased the number of people who believe in Darwin's theory of evolution.... to just under half of all Americans.

Wow!

There is good news: the ascent of the mandarin of Marriner Eccles to the pinnacle of Keynesian socio-economic "religion" has also to increased the number of people who believe in Darwin's theory of evolution.... to just under half of all Americans.

Wow!

There is good news: the ascent of the mandarin of Marriner Eccles to the pinnacle of Keynesian socio-economic "religion" has also to increased the number of people who believe in Darwin's theory of evolution.... to just under half of all Americans.

Wow!

There is good news: the ascent of the mandarin of Marriner Eccles to the pinnacle of Keynesian socio-economic "religion" has also to increased the number of people who believe in Darwin's theory of evolution.... to just under half of all Americans.

Wow!

There is good news: the ascent of the mandarin of Marriner Eccles to the pinnacle of Keynesian socio-economic "religion" has also to increased the number of people who believe in Darwin's theory of evolution.... to just under half of all Americans.

Wow!

There is good news: the ascent of the mandarin of Marriner Eccles to the pinnacle of Keynesian socio-economic "religion" has also to increased the number of people who believe in Darwin's theory of evolution.... to just under half of all Americans.

Wow!

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 08:06 | 4270376 winkyshark
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In short, most if not all Americans believe in Tautology.

Apart from Darwinism, most other items borderline on being tautological. Of course, it depends on how these subject are approached. Studies of paranormal/supernatural phenomenon are not automatically unscientific/tautological. But I think it is rather hard to dispute the fact that mainstream approach on such subjects are not. Most of these 'psuedo-studies' cannot even pass the first criteria which requires a FALSIFIABLE hypothesis to be set up.

If you think otherwise, when was the last time you hear a priest/psychic/scammer genuinely trying falsifying god/ghost/UFO/etc existence, and failed? Most of them don't even allow anybody to question the existence/foundation of such belief. On the other hand, this is what real-scientists do to real-science, and they only announce success of a theory tentatively once extensive effort/experiment has been spent on trying to, but failed to, falsify the theory.

I can't believe while everyone enjoys the fruit of scientific method, so little of us actually practise it and rather just believe in all those convenient BS.

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