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Obamacare Deadline Extended One More Day

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Things are going so well for Obamacare that the administration has decided, at the very last minute, to extend the deadline to sign-up for Jan1st coverage through the end of Christmas Eve. As WSJ reports, this change - which follows weeks of last-minute policy shifts - gives young people and the uninsured 24 more valuable hours to decide but, as we have previously noted, initial sign-up tallies are falling dramatically short of expectations.

 

Via WSJ,

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The deadline was originally set for midnight on Dec. 23, but contractors managing the site changed configurations to allow users to sign up for the first wave of health-law coverage through Dec. 24, people familiar with the matter said.

 

The change follows weeks of last-minute policy shifts for the administration. Last week, for instance, with only days before the enrollment deadline, the Obama administration said people whose plans were canceled would be exempted from a requirement that people buy coverage or pay a fee next year.

 

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The late changes have rattled insurers and left some customers uncertain what options are available to them. Some health insurers say the changes could undermine their market by obscuring their ability to predict business risks and set prices accurately.

 

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But initial sign-up tallies are expected to fall far short of expectations: Only 365,000 people nationwide navigated through technologically troubled online marketplaces to enroll in private plans in October and November. On Friday, President Obama told reporters a million more had enrolled in the first weeks of December, but the totals still fall short of a 3.5 million-enrollee target for the private plans by the year's end.

Of course, with the pitchman-in-chief busy on the links, we wonder how much difference this will make...

 

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Mon, 12/23/2013 - 13:55 | 4271196 Divided States ...
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Me thinks they need to extend it for a long long time, like QErpetuity

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:01 | 4271212 knukles
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For some reason, methinks the phrase "One day at a time." was not meant for clusterfuck perpetuation.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:13 | 4271253 SDShack
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It's like Groundhog Day. The disaster keeps happening no matter what "fix" is made.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:18 | 4271264 pods
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So we are supposed to believe him this time when he talks?

Got it!

pods

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:22 | 4271284 nope-1004
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Osama said "Over 2 million have enrolled in the program.  It's going great."

 

2/360 = 0.5%

 

Blazing success.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:06 | 4271418 NoDebt
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One extra day.... yeah, that should fix it.

500,000 get insurance (mostly Medicaid) while 5,000,000 lose it.  Yep, that's about right for a government program.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:57 | 4271558 macholatte
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...... the administration has decided .......

 

Hello Congress?

You can adjourn and not come back. You're not needed anymore.

Merry Xmas

Your Friend and Dictator

Barry S.

 

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 16:01 | 4271569 negative rates
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If the care was so good, why did you have to put a gun to our heads to make it work for ya?

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 18:04 | 4271833 Papasmurf
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And why wasn't it good enough for Congress?

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 19:19 | 4271995 TeamDepends
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They had their attorneys read it before they passed it.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 16:31 | 4271644 boogerbently
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I'm thinking of that SNL skit where "Khadaffi" draws his line of death in the sand, and dares the US to cross it.

The US does, and Khadaffi backs up and draws another line......

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:13 | 4271433 covsire
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Vote for Godless liberals and this is what you get.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:48 | 4271534 29.5 hours
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Sorry, I had to downvote you for smearing us Godless people with the "liberal" epithet...

Aside from that, Merry Christmas.

 

 

 

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:59 | 4271564 pods
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I downvote anyone who falls for the false left-right paradigm.

pods

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 16:55 | 4273920 boogerbently
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Politically, maybe.

But not where "Godless" is concerned.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 16:19 | 4271612 MarsInScorpio
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It's time to quit lying to ourselves and admit we have a mentally ill president.

He suffers from delusions of grandeur - believing that all he has to do is wave his hand and it is now reality. King Canute is his role model.

This is the result of his pathological lying - he lies about anything and everything - telling the world whatever he wants it to believe regardless of the reality surrounding his pronouncements. He is increasingly disconnected from reality.

He is kept afloat by a tight circle of enablers who cover for him and spin his lies. But that is changing.

I am making this statement not to be mean, but rather because it is time to seriously consider that Barack Obama is not mentally healthy. I am saying this because he is continuing to run farther and farther away from reality in his actions, and believes that whatever he says – becomes the made-over reality that exists only in his mind.

Take his statement that "100-million" people have signed up for ObamaCare - that's nearly 1/3 of the entire 315-million person population of the US. It is a number that prima fascia is irrational.

But Obama stated it as a fact anyway to his Obamabots in Organizing for America. They showed their lack of rational relationship by accepting the number - regardless of its obvious irrational ability to be true. As an aside, it shows that these people are brain-dead, and just accept that whatever Obama says is the truth - with no rational vetting whatsoever.

That's truly scary.

But scarier still is this: NO ONE in the WH dared correct him. No statement came out saying so much as issuing the typical lame excuse that he "misspoke." Nothing. The WH enablers fell silent (as did the Looney Tunes Left MSM).

Why?

This is what makes their silence so scary: It means that the WH aides are at a point where they so fear the mad king's wrath that they will abandon reality for his irrational fantasies. They will no longer be a wall of reality constraining his thinking to the Real World.

In short, they are no longer Gatekeepers, but rather like “Alice in Wonderland,” they are the cards painting the roses red for the insane Queen of Hearts.

"She wanted white - then said what a fright, so now she's wants them red instead; we're painting the roses red, we're painting the roses red - we can't say no we won't, because if we don't, she'll want our heads instead! So we're painting the roses red . . ."

I realize that take from Alice in Wonderland goes over the heads - or should I say through the air-heads - of the Obamabots. But what do you expect from people who passively accept 100-million people being signed up for ObamaCare?

That is mental disconnect. That is insanity. That is Barack Obama.

Don't apologize for thinking him ill; he is ill.

And this latest exercise in waving his hand, and thinking that reality magically changes when he does, shows Barack Obama is disconnected from reality, and must be removed from office before his mental illness drives him to even more desperate, irrational thinking - and even more dangerous, irrational actions.
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Mon, 12/23/2013 - 16:44 | 4271677 Miffed Microbio...
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Well, he certainly does have Caligula's perpetual love of Bread and Circuses. I guess he needs to ramp up the torture and murder to be a fully fledged mad, blood thirsty despot. There a bit of room to grow there.

Frankly, I'm not sure why anyone is afraid of him. Seems like a limp wristed pansy that isnt very bright but can read off a telepromter. Sad that a man such as he can cow so many. Wrath? I've only viewed hissy fit from him.

Miffed;-)

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 18:47 | 4271925 g speed
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obama is the epitome of one of "Voltaire's Bastards"

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 01:28 | 4272743 SDShack
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0zer0 = Narcisist Sociopath. It's all you need to know to truly understand him.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:42 | 4271354 Gert_B_Frobe
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It's coming out garbled due to a mouthful of poi, pineapple and jungle juice. Now let Comrade Zero and Thunder Thighs enjoy their time away the Hell they have created.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:54 | 4271385 ElvisDog
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Ooh, that reminds me, where are the swimsuit pics of Barry and Michelle like they used to publish of Bill and Hillary frolicking on the beach?

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:15 | 4271255 rehypothecator
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It's Calvinball!  The rules change every play!  

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 13:57 | 4271197 FieldingMellish
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Its a Christmas miracle...

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:04 | 4271228 Soda Popinski
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This is more of a Festivus miracle.  I've got a lot of problems with you people, and you're going to hear about it.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:12 | 4271245 FieldingMellish
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Shit, that reminds me. I have to setup the Fetivus pole.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:20 | 4271272 spekulatn
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"AS I RAINED BLOWS DOWN UPON HIM..."

"A FESTIVUS FOR THE REST OF US"

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS7-jcsB_WQ

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:35 | 4271326 Winston Churchill
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Newsflash.

The deadline for enrollment for coverage starting on 1/1/14 has just been extended to

12/31/14.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 13:57 | 4271201 Hippocratic Oaf
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We're stuck with this turd

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 13:59 | 4271216 knukles
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Bloody miserable those no tapers, eh?

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 18:39 | 4271903 DosZap
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Well finally the Dems decided to hit their base of Ops promoting OSCARE in their home offices,Gay Bars.Guess bath houses are next,and elementary chidddrrrrren.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 13:56 | 4271202 youngman
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LOL.....they can extend it for years..only the sick and dying will still sign up...its a mess..and is destroying our healthcare that we have.....

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:03 | 4271407 ElvisDog
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Yep, the insurance companies are going to lose a shitload of money on those Obamacare policies, because as you said only the sick are signing up. But insurance companies don't lose shitloads of money for long, so next year there will be massive increases in health insurance across the board. The Dems will be squirming right up to the 2016 elections.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:15 | 4271443 Uncertain T
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The reason they can get away with this is that the PPACA calls for insurance companies to be reimbursed for unexpected losses.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 16:04 | 4271570 SDShack
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Yeah, just wait till the tax payers that are seeing their HC costs increase 25-100% (on top of the 50 million EMPLOYEE plans that will be eliminated next year) find out the insurance companies get a taxpayer funded bailout. The shitstorm that is coming next fall just before the 2014 elections is going to be epic.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 16:54 | 4271694 zerozulu
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That is exactly this program is all about. Bailout health insurance companies.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 18:15 | 4271846 Papasmurf
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Rates will skyrocket regardless of reimbursment costs.  This gives them the cover they need.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:15 | 4271436 MachoMan
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It's not really destroying healthcare anymore than the current trend....  the issue with healthcare is that medical service providers cannot stand price discovery, as their fixed costs have been expanded during boom times under the expectation that the gravy train will last forever (or they'll be bailed out)...  much like the rest of the economy.  The only thing obamacare is helping to do is break the odd stalemate where medical services are too expensive for everyone and medical service providers need to provide services to pay the bills...

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:01 | 4271211 Dr. Engali
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Like any banana republic they are making it up as they go along. 

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:35 | 4271325 NIHILIST CIPHER
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Question:  Friend of mine lost her coverage and she has not been been able to sign up, no help from .Gov at all...So let's say January rolls around and she has a serious health problem, what does she do? I say she is just screwed and will have the bills to pay on her own. 

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:10 | 4271430 XitSam
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But Obama said the other day that everyone has a right to health insurance!

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:17 | 4271441 covsire
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Then the liar in chief wouldn't tax the money you make that goes pay for this "right".

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 16:24 | 4271624 James-Morrison
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But Obama said the other day that everyone has a right to health insurance!

That was taken out of context. What Obama meant to say is :

"You have to write to get health insurance."  (The Healthcare.gov was down again, and only paper applications were available.)

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:23 | 4271459 MachoMan
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If she doesn't qualify for subsidies/credits, then she can sign up outside the exchange (she can otherwise, she'll just lose the credits for not signing up through the official exchange)...  just go to the insurance company's website and sign up directly.  I witnessed the process a week ago...  it takes about 5-10 minutes tops to sign up...  you provide them a name, address, SS# (so they can tie her insurance coverage to her and report it to the feds so she gets a pass if the coverage meets obamacare standards), and method of monthly payments (e.g. draft from your bank account).  They don't ask a single question about her medical history as they can't deny her for "pre-existing conditions" any longer... 

She'll probably get a cheap year of insurance this year and then next year I'd expect it to increase once healthy/young folks opt out of the system.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 16:05 | 4271581 SDShack
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She will have to deal with it like the FSA. Go to the emergency room and wait in line until someone can see her. Then ignore the bills. Welcome to bankrupt nation, soon to be New Feudal Order.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:16 | 4271259 Stoploss
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Fuck Barrycare.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 17:03 | 4271704 espirit
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"Barrycare".

Another ZH original.

Asking permission to utilize as needed (with proper credit of course).

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:16 | 4271265 Flakmeister
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Friend just signed up, he told me it took him 25 minutes start to finish...

He picked one of the silver options at $350 per month....

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:24 | 4271281 odatruf
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That gets me almost 19 bits of my prefered silver plan...

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:11 | 4271425 Flakmeister
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You have gotten tired of taking it up the ass on silver? You have been crowing about buying the stuff since it was $45 per oz....

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:21 | 4271463 odatruf
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I think you have confused me with someone else; however, on a long enough timeline...

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:45 | 4271359 Gert_B_Frobe
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We know. Saw your friend's SS# and personal data already for sale over on Ukranian EBay.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 21:51 | 4272324 MontgomeryScott
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MY friend just made 215,564 fedbucks on the internet, spoofing the Obamacare website (in 10 minutes!), enough to afford that pesky breast enhancment surgery, with enough left over for the Pill, AND RU486, in case she gets laid by the Obama FSA zombies tonight! She REALLY LOVES ol' Bamy!

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:05 | 4271411 ElvisDog
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Does your friend have the $5000 to pay the out-of-pocket deductible?

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:24 | 4271470 MachoMan
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The rates are based on your age (since about everything else is off limits)...  For those of us that are younger, we can get a $500 deductible gold plan for ~$300/mo. from BXBS..  tack on another $30/mo. for dental and vision (pretty damn good too).

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:04 | 4271412 HardlyZero
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OK.   That's what I pay now in 2013 for a family of 4 for a better plan.  Expect 2014 will see 100 million impacted and cost 3x more and get 1/2 as much care.  Don't get sick !

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:05 | 4271416 denverdolomte
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Sounds like a STEAL. 

Tell your friend he is a moron. $4200 annually plus those awesome high deductibles that allow people to still pay full price for a doctor visit. The value is exponential. /sarc

 

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:10 | 4271428 Flakmeister
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Making shit up I see...

You have no idea what is in his plan....

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:16 | 4271440 denverdolomte
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Inability to do math I see. 

$350 x 12 (The number of months in a calander year) ='s $4200 annually (again based on a 12 month calander year)

Deductibles based upon common knowledge availble to anyone with internet acess. 

Inability to understand how insurance deductibles work I see, you still pay larger costs until deductibles are met. 

 

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:31 | 4271473 MachoMan
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See post above, for those folks who are younger than 45, you can probably end up with a $500 or $1000 deductible plan for this price per month...  they've gone to co-insurance for virtually everything past your deductible, so there's that, but the out of pocket maximums are fairly low as well...  with no lifetime limits...

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:43 | 4271516 denverdolomte
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30yrs. No health conditions. Have paid $75 a month with $1000 deductible for all coverage here in Colorado with UnitedHealth. Plan has been dissolved. 

 

Here is what ColoradoHealthConnect offers me ::

$150 monthly

$6350.00 Annual Deductible 

$6350.00 Max Out-Of-Pocket

I can't use the doctors I have been using because they are not in the coverage offered in these new plans. 

 

https://prd.connectforhealthco.com/individual/prescreen/search/quotes?an...

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 16:01 | 4271557 MachoMan
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I don't dispute that costs have gone up...  I'm simply stating what you can get for the money (in this case, disputing your comment that it necessarily comes with a high deductible)...  For most folks, the costs have gone up dramatically, especially for the healthy/young.  I suspect they'll only go up more given the only people who sign up are unhealthy or otherwise have high medical expenditures.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 16:02 | 4271572 denverdolomte
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Agreed. I have a friend who works in system security at an insurance company who recently told me that his company will be increasing costs by as much as 45% in 2014 alone with another 25% increase expected for 2015. It's insane what this program has done, paving the way for the dream of a "single payer system". FORWARD COMRADES!!

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 16:53 | 4271695 MachoMan
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Obamacare really hasn't done anything to pave the way for single payer...  what paved the way for single payer is that medical service providers have to be bailed out so that they don't go bankrupt.  This is what will usher in single payer, not the "failure" of the insurance system (which is a highly regulated industry...).  Medical service providers will take whatever the government can do to create artificial demand for medical services and prop up the industry ala weekend at bernies. 

Of course, this is a desperate gambit, as uncle sam tends to carry plenty of red tape along with the money it provides and, thus, medical service providers will be forced to receive less pay per hour and to hire additional folks for compliance purposes (thus increasing not only employment, but government dependence, further entrenching those in power who dish out the bread and circuses).

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 18:16 | 4271848 nightshiftsucks
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Are you part of Obummers army Shitmeister ?

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 18:09 | 4271827 Emergency Ward
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My friend's third cousin's wife's friend just signed up and got platinum, $39 a month, zero deductible, and found out she qualifies for a $10,000 per year tax credit besides.......only took five minutes to sign up, start to finish, and she's waiting for her free cellular phone -- Next Day Air!!!

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 18:45 | 4271912 DosZap
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My friend's third cousin's wife's friend just signed up and got platinum, $39 a month, zero deductible, and found out she qualifies for a $10,000 per year tax credit besides.......only took five minutes to sign up, start to finish, and she's waiting for her free cellular phone -- Next Day

 

Unless you forgot the /sarc tag, I assume she is on welfare/SNAP cards, and Medicaid?.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 20:05 | 4272091 Emergency Ward
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Just what DosZap said, just go to GuvCare.guv and get in on the greatest bonanza in history.  SNAPS and Medicare bumper stickers with every order.  WIC bumper stickers for the Wiccans.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 18:15 | 4271843 Meat Hammer
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LOL!  Yeah, right, Flak.  Like you have any friends.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:19 | 4271269 czarangelus
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The turd that just won't flush.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:19 | 4271275 MedicalQuack
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It's the continuous rise and fall of the machines with Obamacare, just like the markets..algorithms said it was ok:)

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/11/president-obama-extends-current.html

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:23 | 4271290 icanhasbailout
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All the delays in the world won't make this a good deal for 95% of the people forced to deal with it.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:33 | 4271300 Mercury
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"...the administration has decided" to change/tweek the law once again.

 

That's the real takeaway right there.

 

Did Obama say: "So it has been spoken, so it shall be done." afterwards?

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:49 | 4271373 pods
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So let it be written.........So let it be done....I'm sent here by the chosen one.....

I think we are living that song.  Where's the lambs blood?

pods

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:28 | 4271305 Uncle Remus
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Desperation. You're talking about desperation.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:32 | 4271309 sixsigma cygnus...
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Plan for 2014: Late-night Obamacare infomercials with a free Sham Wow.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:32 | 4271316 yellowsub
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Obamacare is great for low income under $20k people not ready for retirement but couldn't receive gov't assistance because the income is "too high" but will get free health care from this.  

Even if you're signed up, there's no confirmation that you're getting it so what's the point of signing people up to it.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:26 | 4271467 ElvisDog
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It's not free. They still have to come up with the $5000 annual deductible, which they don't have. They only people who benefit are those who qualify for Medicaid.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:41 | 4271506 MachoMan
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Bingo.  The people who generally fall between the cracks for government assistance are going to get creamed by this...  big time.  I think a lot of the subsidy/credits are going to fall by the wayside as well...  and we'll just be left with penalties.  The big issue is that the way the penalties are situated, it's the greater of a fixed amount or a % of your income...  well, the fixed amounts are going to cream those folks who don't want to sign up (or can't) and have lower incomes.  I think you may be able take off 2 months out of the year and still qualify though...  so maybe they can skip 2 months where they're less likely to get sick and not suffer the penalty.

Likewise, the young and/or healthy are going to get creamed because they can't opt out...

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 16:16 | 4271610 SDShack
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What's ultimately going to unravel 0zer0care is just what you said. All that will be left is the penalties, but even that has been changed this week by 0zer0 himself. Now you can get a "substandard" plan that was "forbidden" to everyone else before, and avoid the penalties. This won't fly with the courts. Roberts twisted himself into knots to make 0zer0care a tax, and his logic was the penalty is part of the tax rules. Changing the system so certain people qualify now, when they didn't qualify before, against others who played by the rules and didn't get this exemption, will violate the equal protection clause. You can bet that the lawyers (who are just as greedy as bankers and insurance companies) already have the class action lawsuits being written with this 0zer0 change that cancelled the mandate for some, but not others. It will be so deliciously ironic, because lawyers are one of the biggest supporters of the dumbcrats, but it will be lawyers that end up destroying 0zer0care piece by piece with class action lawsuits.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 17:10 | 4271716 MachoMan
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Lawyers don't particularly care for any political party over another...  lawyers are just paid guns.  Although, I would say that the legal community generally disfavors liberalism simply because the legal field is the last bastion of self regulation...  anything that threatens it is met with significant skepticism. 

A greedy lawyer can't fuck up an entire society like a banker can...  in fact, our society demands greedy lawyers due to the adversarial legal system...  it's actually one of the things we got right.  For every greedy lawyer passing out business cards at the emergency room, you've got another one challenging obamacare, taking a polluting industry to task, or figuring out how to mitigate or avoid taxes.

Remember, in the end, lawyers don't make the law...  they just argue it.

PS, anyone on the state's payroll isn't a lawyer any longer, despite being a member of the bar...  I would fashion folks like roberts more as an academic than a lawyer...  unfortunately, many appellate judiciaries tend to be result oriented, which typically entails tossing the law aside...  which is almost certainly what happened in the case of obamacare.  [the politicians in the legislature that likewise claim to be lawyers likely haven't really practiced a day in their lives...  which makes them something other than lawyers...  and they likely don't know shit about the law either, which rules out calling them academics...  I think politician is a fair term though].

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 03:02 | 4272849 John_Coltrane
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So, lawyers don't favor one party over another?

"In the 2008 election cycle, the legal industry contributed a massive $234 million to federal political candidates and interests , 76 percent of which went to Democratic candidates and committees."

Readers should draw their own conclusions based upon the facts.   (As opposed to your "argument" which you apparently pulled out of your ass.)

 

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:41 | 4271346 Joebloinvestor
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When the fuck is someone from the legal side of the country going to put the stop to this shit and say,"NO MORE FUCKING CHANGES ALLOWED"?

The more they tolerate this the more the ASSHOLE IN CHARGE is gonna legislate from the press podium.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:51 | 4271372 Gert_B_Frobe
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Hell, at this point I'd settle to see someone other than Fox reporting on it.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:18 | 4271444 XitSam
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The shit will continue until people get hungry. No food for three days hungry.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:43 | 4271522 MachoMan
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They already tried and the SCOTUS took a shit on them...  At this point, I think it's a states' rights issue and that is why some states are threatening to opt out/nullify.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:41 | 4271347 roadhazard
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That bastard, and he's doing it while on the beach.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:45 | 4271358 Abraham Snake
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The money to pay for this thing was supposed to come from efficiencies, universal scale, and some obscure taxes. It's now clear the money is coming from long time insurance purchasers whose premiums have now roughly doubled.

Keeping the window open for another day doesn't solve the fundamental problem consumers are facing. Health insurance cost too much. The price tag stops them dead in their tracks.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:54 | 4271367 A Lunatic
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Fuck Obamacare. Let's see here; millions of previously insured people no longer have or can afford insurance, premiums have doubled (or more), access to doctors and hospitals has already declined. Yeah real fucking helpful you stupid fascist assholes. Presidential decree does not carry the weight of the Law in this country either, so I reiterate, kiss my ass. Oh, and merry christmas........

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:16 | 4271445 denverdolomte
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Cheers to that my friend. 

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:58 | 4272576 JuicedGamma
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Previously for many years I have the same policy in multiple states, about $400/mo.  No more friends, it was cancelled and is now $950!/mo.  It's not grandfathered because I moved and changed plans.

What's to complain, I obviously didn't like the old policy that I'd been buying for at least 5 years.

Whatever happened to rational governance.

 

 

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:55 | 4271383 Ranger_Will
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Merry Christmas to Congress, the POTUS, and the SCOTUS!

...and by Merry Christmas I mean go fuck yourselves. I ain't signing up for shit.

"There's another saying Senator: Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining."

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 19:12 | 4271975 g speed
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If history thinks MLK freedom marches were civil disobedience they haven seen anything yet--this will bring the house of cards down--"go fuck yourselves" will be the new flag replacing "don't tread on me"---- you heard it here first-- " this is the end my friend"

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:58 | 4271395 Decimus Lunius ...
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Securitize the country's insurance plans, pool them into investment trusts, form an ETF, and let Bernanke keep buying new issuances until oblivion.  Banks get their profits, the plebs get to go the doctor because their nose is running, politicians get their legacy, and the wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round. 

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:59 | 4271398 vegas
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President Goebbels as ShamWow; the delusion will never end.

 

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Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:18 | 4271450 Yenbot
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One Moar Day, People! EVERYTHING Must Go! Gigantic BLOWOUT Sale! Sell Your SOUL Before It's TOO Late !!

Just Say No (to Pathetic Incompetence)...

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:20 | 4271454 youngman
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Makes one wonder what will be up for next year....I bet many more changes to come for Obamacare....it wont work...in fact it will destroy what we have....Emergency rooms will be packed...lawyers will be suing more and more....hospitals going bankrupt..doctors too....new government bailouts in the billions....a total cluster fuck.....but Obama will blame it on someone...when in fact the Tea Party guys were right all along....I say screw the 15 percent of the people without insurance....let em lose...work for the 85 percent that have insurance....and no more of the you have to help everyone.....if you cant pay...you should get nothing...that is life in other countries...and to some it should be short...priorities...

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:52 | 4271545 MachoMan
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Medical professionals going bankrupt is one of the lynchpins in our economic journey to price discovery...  Once the fixed costs get out of the way, then we can get to a system where people can directly pay what they can afford and negotiate accordingly.  At present, they're desperately trying to get everyone to subsidize the care and guaranty an income stream to the medical professionals, which is fraught with fraud and inefficiency.

I also wouldn't guess emergency rooms would be packed...  rather, the PCP groups will be packed as they're cheaper alternatives than the fees charged by the ER.  Once folks have to pay for the pleasure due to high deductibles, then there will be a bit more discretion with where those dollars are spent.  Of course, most of the time, the PCP is just a glorified pill dispenser and in the 5-7 minutes you get with him, he couldn't possibly tell you shit about your ailments other than throw some darts at treating your symptoms.

Further, what about this situation is going to cause more lawsuits?  The amount of lawsuits is simply a function of the number of business transactions...  if people demand less medical services because they actually have skin in the game, then I see downward pressure on the number of lawsuits.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:41 | 4271511 dcj98gst
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The Constitution of the United States says that the President “shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” USC - Clause 3 

That provision was written because the Founding Fathers had experienced the arbitrariness of a government in which the British monarchy picked and chose which laws to enforce and which laws to ignore. 

The result of such political control over the law was, they knew, a breakdown in the rule of law—and a breakdown that allowed the powerful and politically well-connected to manipulate the system at will. 

As James Madison warned in the Federalist, “mutable” laws are poison to the blessing of liberty itself. It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is to-day, can guess what it will be to-morrow. Law is defined to be a rule of action; but how can that be a rule, which is little known, and less fixed?

Unfortunately, today’s administrative state gives so much power to unelected bureaucrats—who are protected against any meaningful control by voters—that they can alter, manipulate, and change the law almost at will. The result is a breakdown in the rule of law that is only subjected to political whim.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:44 | 4271520 SWRichmond
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The law is a success!!!

 

/sarc

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:47 | 4271528 sbenard
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The Arbitrary Obama strikes again!

Isn't this what dictators do? He's our Dictator of DEBT!

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:46 | 4271532 W74
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Clearly those evil redneck tea party hillbilly racists are only against the affordable care act and it's implementation because of the president's skin color (this of course is the only argument the dinosaur media has).  Why don't these racists like the president's healthcare plan?  Clearly this is all due to inherent racism.

If only they had BELIEVED harder that the ACA would work and if they had just trusted our glorious leader and signed up for their new deathca...er healthcare policies all of this would've gone much more smoothly. 

Hope and Change only works if everyone is on board and BELIEVES hard in it.

Sounds like another governmental/economic system that once graced this earth.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 19:21 | 4271993 g speed
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OK "have it your way" I'm a racsist but I was vetted by the "he could have been my son" racist dictator.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 16:07 | 4271583 B.J. Worthy
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Who knew the "law of the land" was so pliable?

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 16:28 | 4271639 The Wisp
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One Day ? Achoo.. Opps you Missed it..

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 16:49 | 4271685 Dinero D. Profit
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I successfully navigated the ACA website yesterday and I enrolled my gardener/schlepper.  His medical is $4 p/m and his dental, $21. 

He works for K-Mart, 28 hrs p/m, minimum wage. 

He is extremely happy to have medical and dental insurance, as for him, its afordable.

 

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 20:31 | 4272149 RichardENixon
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When he gets a look at his deductibe I hope he sticks a pair of hedge clippers up your ass dickhead.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 17:04 | 4271711 insanelysane
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Tylers,

You've got to post something on this.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/president-obama-enrollment-obamacare-101483.html?hp=l1

 

Summary:

Obama signs up for Obamacare

Actually staffer does it.

And staffer does it in person because apparently the website is too risky for the Prez's info

And he selects a bronze plan so his contribution to the cause is as small as possible.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 17:46 | 4271789 stant
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they should have got phill instead of pajama boy to promote it . with phill saying go ahead and sign up ive told them if they over charge i will shoot thier ass, he has credibility

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