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Thyroid Cancers Surge Among Fukushima Youths

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It seems US sailors aren't the only ones who three short years after the Fukushima disaster are being stricken by cancers and other radiation-induced diseases. For once, the media blackout surrounding the Japanese nuclear power plant tragedy appears to have crumbled, and at least a portion of the truth has been revealed. Hong Kong's SCMP reports that fifty-nine young people in Fukushima prefecture have been diagnosed with or are suspected of having thyroid cancer. Notably, all of newly diagnosed were younger than 18 at the time of the nuclear meltdown in the area in March 2011. They were identified in tests by the prefectural government, which covered 239,000 people by the end of September.

And while it is not rocket surgery to put two and two together, now that the data is in the public domain, here come the experts to explain it away.

On one hand, there are those who seemingly have not been bribed by the Abe government to "bend" reality just a bit in the name of confidence. People such as Toshihide Tsuda, a professor of epidemiology at Okayama University who has called upon the government to prepare for a possible increase in cases in the future. "The rate at which children in Fukushima prefecture have developed thyroid cancer can be called frequent, because it is several times to several tens of times higher," Japan's Asahi Shimbun quoted him as saying.

He compared the figures in Fukushima with cancer registration statistics throughout Japan from 1975 to 2008 that showed an annual average of five to 11 people in their late teens to early 20s developing cancer for every 1 million people.

And then come those who probably would still be touting the great job Tepco is doing in containing the worst nuclear catastrophe in history, even though Tepco itself has now admitted the exploded nuclear power plant is out of control.  

Tetsuya Ohira, a professor of epidemiology at Fukushima Medical University, disagreed. It was not scientific to compare the Fukushima tests with cancer registry statistics, he argued. Scientific? Or not politically feasible for a prime minister who is desperate to restart domestic nuclear power plants, since Abenomics is getting monkeyhammered thanks to soaring energy and food import costs (and, among other factors, leading to a crash in Abe's popularity rating), and any reality leaking, pardong the pun, from Fukushima will end both that ambition, and his political career prematurely.

Shockingly, a month ago, prefectural officials deemed it unlikely that the increase in suspected and confirmed cases of cancer was linked to radiation exposure. Their "logic" is that in the Chernobyl disaster of 1986, it was not until four or five years after the accident that thyroid cancer cases surged. Apparently the thought that the local cancer victims may have been subject to radiation orders of magnitude higher than Chernobyl thanks to a lying government which consistently repeated that "all is well" has not crossed anyone's mind.

"It is known that radioactive iodine is linked to thyroid cancer. Through the intake of food, people may absorb and accumulate it inside glands," said Dr Choi Kin, a former president of the Hong Kong Medical Association.

 

Children might absorb more of it than adults because they were still growing, he said, but it remained to be proven that the radioactive iodine came from the nuclear disaster instead of the normal environment.

Bottom line "experts" are divided about whether the Fukushima cancers are caused by nuclear radiation... which, perhaps, is why they are experts. As everyone else knows, a surge in thyroid cancer in a population in close proximity to an exploded power plant, can only be due to one thing: non-participation in the ponzi stock market. So start buying stocks, or else the p53 mutations are coming for you too!

 


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Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:01 | Link to Comment knukles
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Quelle surprise!

 

(It's really due to the nasty Chinese chicken laced with MSG which Only US Kinetic Action in the Sudan can Help.. It's for the chillen')

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:26 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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No, it's the sun that's causing the cancer rates.  And I would note that we've only been studying cancer for a hundred years or so.  Maybe kids got a lot of cancer a long time ago.  The scientists pushing for high cancer rates want grants.  It's Al Gore's fault.   He's trying to profit from it.  Man is too puny to affect his own population.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:42 | Link to Comment Poofter Priest
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Now that is funny.

As I'm sure you meant it to be such.

I love sardonic wit.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:49 | Link to Comment wisehiney
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No seriously, algore invented the sun.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:54 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Correct.  Al Gore invented the moon and the stars while he and his anti-explicit lyrics fascist wife were collecting fireflies (in a most humane fashion).  The Sun is a star, ergo, Al invented it.   

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:08 | Link to Comment knukles
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Thats it thats it thats it, got it...

Tax radiation levels and cancer in the same manner taxing carbon and everything's fine.

Plus, gotta remember, the Japs just adore taxes.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:18 | Link to Comment Spungo
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We should start buying and selling cancer credits.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:19 | Link to Comment DeliciousSteak
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Certainly the Japanese must be held collectively responsible for allowing the construction and operation of nuclear power plants on a fault line plagued with earthquakes should there be a harmful effect on the rest of the world. Luckily the Japanese are known for extremes when it comes to personal and collective responsibility.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:20 | Link to Comment suteibu
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Well, personal responsibility for everyone except politicians and bureaucrats and those in the private sector who support them.  I don't think anyone falls on their sword anymore.  Too much Western influence.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:30 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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If you haven't figured it out yet, personal responsibility is for the little guy.  Always has been.  Or did you fail to notice that the heads of corporation by definition and by law do not have any?  Ask Mozillo about personal responsibility.  And Jamie.  And Lloyd.  Ad infinitum.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:38 | Link to Comment suteibu
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You should direct your comment to DeliciousSteakI was merely clarifying his comment.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 08:23 | Link to Comment malikai
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Children might absorb more of it than adults because they were still growing, he said, but it remained to be proven that the radioactive iodine came from the nuclear disaster instead of the normal environment.

Indeed. Because as we all know, with a half life of about 31 days, i131 is abundant in nature.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:03 | Link to Comment chemystical
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"Luckily the Japanese are known for extremes when it comes to personal and collective responsibility"

Yep, prime examples are Nanking and Bataan.  You mean that kind of mea culpa?  The Chinese should hire the Jews as PR agents; then we'd have also Nanking museums worldwide.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:03 | Link to Comment chemystical
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and Obama invented tides.  Or does he have the ability to stop them?  I can never remember

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:51 | Link to Comment suteibu
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Right.  Climate change and thyroid cancer in Fukushima children are exactly the same thing.

The problem is children are actually getting thyroid cancer even thought the same government which is aggressively pushing climate change (they are still raising the environmental taxes even as they renege on their promise to lower emissions) refuses to acknowledge it.  You see the real issue of cancer is a political problem while the unproven climate change agenda is a political windfall. 

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:01 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Confirmation bias much?

Which studies do you rely upon for these conclusions?  Oh right.  You don't need any.  You just know that what you said is true because, well, you know it.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:08 | Link to Comment suteibu
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Cancer is self evident and becoming more so in the Tohoku region of Japan every day.  However, despite the claims of politicians and taxpayer-funded scientists and advocates for taxing the very air we breathe, the evidence for global warming (the original climate change) does not appear to exist, at least the record of the past 15 years which runs counter to the models used to sell the hoax. 

So who you gonna believe, a sleazy politician who refuses to protect children from sickness and/or death and lies about it to your face or your own lying eyes?

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:12 | Link to Comment knukles
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The politician, especially Al Gore

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 01:06 | Link to Comment Tapeworm
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Yeah Knuckles, if you can get AlGore to shovel me out and chip in for the heat bill I'll vote you up.

 (I know it was /sarc)

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:03 | Link to Comment divide_by_zero
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Yep, there are no non-model based studies that show evidence of global warming. Global warming was always a con game by the progressive elite (soros, rockefeller etc) to extract first world tax dollars to their third world holdings

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 01:43 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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Science 3 December 2004:
Vol. 306 no. 5702 p. 1686
DOI: 10.1126/science.1103618

  • Essays on Science and Society

BEYOND THE IVORY TOWER

 
The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change

 

ice core data (and the timing and never seen pace of change) is pretty "self evident"

this isn't just a handfull of wacky scientists, nor the IPCC (which was specifically picked to give conservative consensus, its a diverse spread of many disciplines and numerous, numerous groups far beyond the "international panel"

it's a little bit of common sense given what we've been mining and burning into a fixed system for the last 150 years 

"the last 15 years" actually give some of the most overwhelming evidence (if you know how to look at the eivdence) It's not slowed at all, its shifted into the oceans which will deliver it back with a vengence and, no surprise is changing the game in the most powerful and influential mass on the planet..

http://www.iflscience.com/environment/oceans-warming-15-times-faster-last-10000-years

See also the massive thawing of the permafrost:

This is a press release from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC), which is part of the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences at the University of Colorado at Boulder.

One- to two-thirds of Earth’s permafrost will disappear by 2200, unleashing vast quantities of carbon into the atmosphere, says a study by researchers at the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences (CIRES) National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC).

“The amount of carbon released is equivalent to half the amount of carbon that has been released into the atmosphere since the dawn of the industrial age,” said NSIDC scientist Kevin Schaefer. “That is a lot of carbon.”

http://nsidc.org/news/press/20110216_permafrost.html 

I know our government is a bunch of liars but remember they're really just a bunch of whores, but whose whores? What "power sources" carry influence, can create and motivate wars, kill the concept of infinite expanding credit (and modern economic theory). It's really not that complicated.  

Just scary as hell

Mankind is his own worst enemy, he always has been. He's always late to the game and late to take responsibility. Do you really think it stops with the bankers?

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 01:47 | Link to Comment The_Prisoner
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The Earth is not a closed system as far as climate is concerned. It is important not to disregard the impact of the weakening of Earth's magnetic shield in the extreme weather patters, one of the more pronouced being the increased amount of precipitation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hOhq0vHfMI

 

 

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 02:11 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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happens all the time

http://phys.org/news/2011-11-magnetic-pole-reversal-geologic.html 

(but digging out and burning all that stuff doesn't)

because more energy reflects back, especially with the rapidly increased water content, we're actually making it more and more of a "closed system" by what we're putting up there

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 02:27 | Link to Comment The_Prisoner
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The polution effects of the use of fossil fuels are of concern, but they must not be takes as the the main contributing factor in the increased freuqency of extreme weather. As this allow them to assign blame to human activity and givem the "elites" such as Al Gore and Bill Gates moral grounds to unleash all sorts of fun and games. From making people live into Agenday 21-style urban paddocks to all-out eugenics a-la BIll Gates.

The magnetic pole shift is more like a symptom.

The weakening of the magnetosphere allows the entry of more energy from space, such as cosmic rays, which have been found to be linked to increase in cloud formation. Other solar born energy forms such as coronal-mass-ejections have also been found to correlate with earthquakes.

 

 

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 04:09 | Link to Comment Lore
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Superb reality check:  "Climate Change Reconsidered II"

http://climatechangereconsidered.org/

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 08:49 | Link to Comment malikai
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In their PDF on models, I'm surprised to find their first issue is one of the ones I've been having for a long time:

Properties inherent in models make dynamic predictability impossible. Without dynamic predictability, other techniques must be used to simulate climate. Such techniques introduce biases of varying magnitude into model projections.

What they're saying is that as time and conditions evolve, static models fail to account for changes in relations within model properties (i.e. model constants need to be variables). This problem is intractible, as attempts to solve this problem quickly increases dimensionality (complexity) of the model - leading to the curse of dimensionality.

Fundamentally speaking, some simple climate models are probably good (i.e. 2box, etc), so long as linearity remains. Once linearity breaks down, (say there's a few years of warm winters at the poles or something, large volcanic activity, superstorm season), it's over for the model.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 10:57 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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pick your whores carefully 

The Heartland Institute is also the original designer of what is now coined Obamacare - which, what do you know, is the largest gift to insurance and drug lobbyists ever

The NIPCC vs. IPCC Process

"The IPCC is supported by hundreds of scientists, think tanks, and organizations around the world that assess and synthesize the most recent climate change-related science. The IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report (AR4), published in 2007, involved more than 500 Lead Authors and 2000 Expert Reviewers from more than one hundred participating nations. These authors and reviewers were all unpaid volunteers, and are required to identify and show consideration to theories that differ from conventional wisdom.

Unlike the IPCC, the NIPCC examines literature published exclusively by climate contrarians who are paid to contribute their findings to NIPCC reports, according to leaked internal documents of the Heartland Institute. The 2009 NIPCC report Climate Change Reconsidered had two lead authors, Fred Singer and Craig Idso, and 35 contributors. Similarly, the 2011 Interim NIPCC report had three lead authors, Fred Singer, Craig Idso, and Robert Carter, and only eight contributors. The NIPCC does not employ the same rigorous standards and approval process used by the IPCC to ensure its assessment reports are accurate and inclusive.

The Heartland Institute’s Credibility

The Heartland Institute has a long history of valuing the interests of its financial backers over the conclusions of experts. It has campaigned against the threats posed by second-hand smoke, acid rain, and ozone depletion, as well as the Endangered Species Act. With its aggressive campaigning using tools such as billboards comparing climate change “believers” to the Unabomber, Heartland makes no pretense at being a scientific organization.

Heartland’s funding over the past decade has included thousands of dollars directly from ExxonMobil and the American Petroleum Institute, but a large portion of their funding ($25.6 million) comes from the shadowy Donor’s Capital Fund, created expressly to conceal the identity of large donors to free-market causes. The Koch brothers appear to be funneling money into Donor’s Capital via their Knowledge and Progress Fund.

Heartland’s credibility has been so damaged that mainstream funders have been abandoning the organization, and it has been forced to discontinue its annual climate conference."

....

"An anonymous donor calling him (or her)self "Heartland Insider" has released the Heartland Institute's budget, fundraising plan, its Climate Strategy for 2012 and sundry other documents (all attached) that prove all of the worst allegations that have been levelled against the organization.

It is clear from the documents that Heartland advocates against responsible climate mitigation and then uses that advocacy to raise money from oil companies and "other corporations whose interests are threatened by climate policies." Heartland particularly celebrates the funding that it receives from the fossil fuel fortune being the Charles G. Koch Foundation."

 

"Heartland also continues to collect money from Philip Morris parent company Altria as well as from the tobacco giant Reynolds American, while maintaining ongoing advocacy against policies related to smoking and health.

Heartland's policy positions, strategies and budget distinguish it clear as a lobby firm that is misrepresenting itself as a "think tank" - it budgets $4.1 million of its $6.4 million in projected expenditures for Editorial, Government Relations, Communications, Fundraising, and Publications, and the only activity it plans that could vaguely be considered policy development is the writing of a curriculum package for use in confusing high schoolers about climate change.

There will be more comment and analysis to follow on DeSmogBlog and elsewhere, but we wanted to make this information available so that others can also scrutinize the documents and bring their expertise to the task.

Attachment Size (1-15-2012) 2012 Fundraising Plan.pdf 89.87 KB (1-15-2012) 2012 Heartland Budget (2).pdf 124.62 KB 2 Agenda for January 17 Meeting.pdf 7.4 KB 2010_IRS_Form_990 (2).pdf 2.7 MB   Binder1 (2).pdf 55.36 KB Board Directory 01-18-12.pdf 11.28 KB Board Meeting Package January 17.pdf 6.84 KB

 

THe IPPC is just one of many many academic groups that conclude anthropogenic global warming and they are on the very conservative end of concern. It is not a shock to know the industires to lose would erect and pay whores to form puppet counter groups. As we say, follow the money. While it is true there are plenty of other whores trying to make money off the fear, it does nothing to deny the existence and power of the traditional energy groups and business as usual.  

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 21:58 | Link to Comment Lore
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Amazing how far people will go to paint bullshit as something other than bullshit.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:16 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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How long does the average family dog or cat live? What do they die of? Cancers in large part you say? Why is that I wonder ...

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:20 | Link to Comment suteibu
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My grandfather and grandmother died of old age.  The race for research funds to support the growing human desire to be immortal changed that dynamic forever. 

And in responding to your post, I hope I left you as confused as your post made me?  What are you trying to say?

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 01:44 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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"Don't live a dog's life." "Don't think you need to live on the hairy edge." "Curiosity killed the family cat."

Clearer now?

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 01:54 | Link to Comment suteibu
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Hmmmm....

"Don't think you need to live on the hairy edge." "Curiosity killed the family cat."

This family has a cat.  She's curious as hell and not dead.

You got one life to live.  What are you saving it for, old age under Obamacare? 

Are you one of those people who think we should give up freedom for the government's idea of security?  I'm just curious about that since I still have no idea why you responded to a comment of mine.

 

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 07:15 | Link to Comment caShOnlY
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Buy STAWKS and save yourself!!  "your either with the irradiated, or your with the STAWKS"...GBush

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:07 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Hong Kong's SCMP reports that fifty-nine young people in Fukushima prefecture have been diagnosed with __or are suspected of___ having thyroid cancer. "

 

The 'report' sounds less than definitive ... 

 

 

 

 

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:28 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!  Tell him what he's won, Don Pardo.

He's won a lifetime supply of Fukushima Rice A Roni, and an all expense paid vacation to the corporate propaganda island motel!!!!!  

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 16:09 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Ha! Ha! If I hadn't know it was you Rand, I would have taken the first part of your post as serious! Knowing the science literacy of many Americans. Oddly enough I had a pre christams dinner session here with the kid's friends last night, one of whom is finishing up his advanced degree in nuclear physics. I asked about Fukushima, and as he is not yet working for a nuclear involved firm, he was willing to talk about Fukushima. Though he sounded uncomfortable when I asked HOW the three meltdown cores would or could be dealt with. He danced around the subject quickly and changed the subject. I take it then  that he hopes for a job in nuclear power design and is fearful that Fukushima might hurt his future career. This tells me that anyone in the nuclear field is going to be evasive and elusive. They can't be trusted as far as I am concerned. Who writes your paycheck seems to be tho makes your opinions. I told the budding nuclear physist that I thought that the cores were beyond control. He did not counter argue it when I said that. This makes me think I am at least partly right when I say the cores are still critical and there is no safe way yet to make contact with the material, remove it and find a save storage place for it. How do you dig down, grasp melted nuclear fuel and dispose of it. My guess is that it will sit in the ground and simmer, spewing radioactive water for a century or more. Nobody has given me any reason to believe otherwise. The government and industry liars are working hard to shut down news of Fukushima.

And, Rand, I am with you. the solar cycle is causing this cancer, only liberals are too stupid to know that. Al Gore is behind the lies coming out of the meida who seek to destroy nuclear industry with scare stories. Just like Canadaclaiming the north pole, according to FOX there is no global warming. So Canada claimed the North Pole because they like ice and snow, not the oil underneath the sea bed. Russia, USA, Norway, Canada, Denmark are in open conflict over who owns the arctic seabed. They are arguing over ice and snow, not the soon to be open sea with access to the sea bed for drilling.

Merry Christmas Rand, always enjoy you posts, even when when don't always see eye to eye.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:01 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:03 | Link to Comment Duc888
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Move along folks, nothing to see here.

 

Stay tuned over in Cali though.  Headed your way.

 

If you like your radiation you can keep your radiation.

 

Hope and change bitchez.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:10 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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all the gold in the world won't turn that off either. And of course when it's time to work together...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbZDMGeNY4s

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 07:18 | Link to Comment caShOnlY
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all the gold in the world won't turn that off either

Thats why we buy STAWKS!!  STAWKS!! Maestro says

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:04 | Link to Comment Pairadimes
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I think TEPCO is Japanese for Umbrella Corporation.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:15 | Link to Comment are we there yet
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That would explain the Tepco Zombie executives eating newsmedia brains.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:10 | Link to Comment savedbyfreethought
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They all should have been advised to have their thyroid gland removed immediately after the accident as a precaution, taking T3 T4 for the rest of your life is relatively a small price to pay, surely the government knew that but who gives a fuck about young people having cancer ...

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:12 | Link to Comment i-dog
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"saved by free thought" .... ?? ... I think not!

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:54 | Link to Comment savedbyfreethought
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Neither do I, this process is meant to be endless.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:29 | Link to Comment Rukeysers Ghost
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59 kids with devistating cancer out of 239K checked ain't bad. That is only .02% of the sample tested.

Keep up the great work TEPCO. You really got a handle on this problem.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:05 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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The iodine and xenon releases are similar to the TOTAL from the Nevada Test Site program start to finish.  That, it was concluded decades later (recently), probably led to over 12,000 US fatalities.

Tip of the iceberg?   More like the first ripples of an emerging volcano.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:22 | Link to Comment divide_by_zero
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Not likely that the numbers are similar as they've not fessed up to any real numbers for Fuku, just from a pure inventory tonnage number Fuku far exceeds especially over a short term and eventually long term. To get to the bottom of the 12,000 number truthiness find out who did the study and most importantly who paid for the study. We do know that after US and ROW nuke tests started in earnest in the 50s there was a virtual epidemic of cancer started in the US about 20 years later.

Checkout Ernest Sternglass "Secret Fallout" as he investigated AEC data colllection during the tests over the US, we were/are guinea pigs. This book is now downloadable

Here in San Diego going by my GSM500 background radiation has doubled from low 20s to mid 40s CPM on a 10 minute average. There were days that first year 1200 to over 3000 cpm GTFO range for sure

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:08 | Link to Comment bobert
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Imagine a nuclear free world.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 01:42 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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What are you made of - Play Dough?

 

Long-chained polymers of undetermined origin or composition?

 

Something else able to be shaped, derived from an amorphous, colorless mass into a human form and shape?

 

Are we not all but electron, Neutron and Proton comprised?

 

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 02:14 | Link to Comment scraping_by
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How about, a world without a large piles of radioactive materials gathered and concentrated in structures by nature to fragile to hold them?

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 03:18 | Link to Comment Joe A
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"Are we not all but electron, Neutron and Proton comprised?"

Yes, and with nuclear radiation levels to break the bonds between them.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 04:25 | Link to Comment Lore
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Re: "Are we not all but electron, Neutron and Proton comprised?"

Keep an eye on that cloud of smug.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:06 | Link to Comment pitz
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Future Japanese members of the SUKI (tm) RELIGION (motherfucking religion) are imperilled by radiation.  Which totally sucks.  SUKI (tm), The New World Religion (tm), recently surpassing the "over three million members" mark, will find it hard to grow in such an environment. 

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:08 | Link to Comment rehypothecator
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The risk of radio-iodine-caused thyroid cancer can be sharply reduced by intake of non-radioactive potassium iodide.  That is, if you are truthfully told of developing situation and the benefits of taking it. We should be careful to separate the risks of nuclear power from the risks of lying governments and/or corporations.  

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:40 | Link to Comment Tapeworm
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I bought a bottle of 100 capsules of KI for something cheap. I put them in packets of five pills to be distributed to neighbors and friends of my wife and daughters. Guess how many got distributed outside of my effort? If you said zero, you win. They don't find it to be of any importance even if they live and work within twenty miles of the same GE design plant.

 The ghoumint of Japan did next to nothing to put radioiodine blockers in the hands of the poor saps in the zone of contamination. Japanese are hopelessly tolerating of such neglect of their most basic safety if the higher ups decide that it would be upsetting to a drone order.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:05 | Link to Comment Tapeworm
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FWIW, I am in favor of safely designed nukes. A rather simple book that makes the point is, "The Health Hazards of Not Going Nuclear" that compares the hazards of large scale power generation.

 That is not to say that I am OK with fragile nukes of the GE MK1 design situated in an active earthquake/tsunami zone that will be swamped in a fairly high probability event.

 Storing spent fuels in pools on stilts ain't too smart. Nor is situating them on a flat that will get swamped. Situating them downhill from a far higher water table is stupid. They did all of that and now what?

 Unconscionable engineering errors such as that might destroy the truly safer versions of power reactors in perpetuity.

The book that I mentioned is by Petr Beckmann with a short and fair review here:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/er.4440010210/pdf

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:13 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Given your opening statement - "Who isn't?"

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 01:49 | Link to Comment scraping_by
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Those of us who don't believe you can spec out fairy dust on the BOM.

The basic premise of using a subcritical nuclear reaction to heat water is serious overkill. The materials to make the reactor are going to embrittle and fall apart long before you can catch them. Plug in backup system after backup system, it's just more things to go wrong. And the environmental hazards are, as we've seen in Japan and Ft. Calhoun, NE, a lot more significant.

Safe nuclear power is a meaningless. There's no way to make it happen in the real world.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 01:59 | Link to Comment scraping_by
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Oh, and I neglected disposal of the used up waste. Or assuming any solution's good for 100,000 years becuase ITGYBG?

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:48 | Link to Comment Tapeworm
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Another item on ZH recently was the unit about the health anomolies on the Aircraft Carrier "Reagan" that was desalinizing water for the Fukishima residents.

 I cannot believe that the US NAvy did not know just exactly what was blowing overhead onto their ship. Firstly it is a nuke powered vessel so will have a vast complement of radiation measuring equipment on board just for the reactor and power train. Then of course it must have detection/measuring equipment for use in battle. Why was there no warning given to the crew when they are loaded with that type of measuring equipment. I am a complete amateur at radiation measurement for battle or sitting downwind from a series of crippled power reactors but my modest complement of stuff ranging from e-bay available CDV-700 Civil Defense Geiger-Muller type survey meters up to Gamma scintillation counters would have easily detected some of the problem. (total cost of 100.00 for decent CD geiger counters and 1000.00 for combination scintillator/pancake/Alpha/HE gamma.)

 I call bullshit on this story if a slob like me can have enough hobbyist equipment that was capable of warning them out of the zone.

 I do not believe that the ship is without the capacity for air sampling of all types such as Xenon detection and the stuff that rank amateurs cannot afford.

THEY KNEW JUST WHAT WAS ON THAT CARRIER. Everyone is lying.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:20 | Link to Comment divide_by_zero
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Yeah, the irradiated-desalinated water was an issue after the Bikini island underwater Baker test in 1946. Kept having guys take decontamination showers, but they kept getting hotter.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 01:38 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Not possible to just 'keep getting hotter'.

Bzzt! Fail. Faulty story/spun tale ...

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 06:02 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Of course you will get "hotter" if contamination accumulates ...

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 01:59 | Link to Comment Paveway IV
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You sort of blur timelines of events and responsibilities regarding the Reagan, Tapeworm. They were marginally aware of the reactor problems (pre-meltdown) and were following whatever operational limits were set by the fleet - which were both conservative and appropriate if nothing blew - 100 miles out and not directly downwind.

The 7th Fleet and Department of the Navy were responsible for monitoring the situation at Fukishima. You know... spy satellites, drones, CBTO stations, all that N. Korea monitoring equipment, NSA wire-taps, observation flights, etc. The crap that taxpayers pay a zillion dollars for?

The brass are suppose to sit on their fat asses at Fleet, read reports, change the area of operations and not intentionally irradiate MY nuclear-armed, nuclear-powered aircraft carrier group OR kill U.S. sailors doing relief operations. If their incompetent intel can't figure out bad the situation was in Fukushima, then Fleet fat-asses are NOT suppose to consult DOE or NRC industry lackeys and trust their assurances that there is no danger, nor are they to believe the lying, incompetent Japanese government officials or TEPCO that everything is OK. That would be gross deriliction of duty and criminal negligence. They should all be court-martialed, but they're part of the elite snobbery (like McCain) that are exempt from any responsibility for their incompetence.

The Reagan's group was in the middle of flight deck operations when they started getting alarms. They are sailing into the wind (and therefor, into the plume). Aircraft are inbound or in pattern waiting to land. You can't simply start screaming "Oh my GOD - RADIATION!", close the hatches, shut off the landing lights, crank the rudder and scurry away. The Reagan got as many people inside as possible and closed up the ship, but it took them another hour to get the last aircraft befor they could move away.

The captain had to resort to watching CNN in an attempt to get some news about what the hell was happening at Fukushima. That's how worthless Fleet, the Navy and the DoD typically are. When the NRC heard about the radiation readings (from techs on a nuke carrier) they were skeptical and didn't make much of it. It didn't agree with their models. 

Now one would think that if a nuclear-armed aircraft carrier group just got covered in fallout, the Navy and DoD wouldn't just sit around with their thumbs up their asses. Well, you would have thought wrong. Since they couldn't say a damn thing about timing or contents of the plume, they couldn't tell the carrier group which way to go to get away FROM the glowing cloud of death. They went further out to sea, which sent them through more of the plume (the wind shifted). In the next two days, they found the deck was contaminated, the water they were desalinating and their plumbing was contaminated, and most of the air handling filters and ducts were contaminated. 

They were sampling everything since the first alarm and everything was contaminated, but the DOE and NRC were still not sure that anything blew. There was just some venting and a small hydrogen explosion. The only one trying to save the sailors was the group captain and he was only being told what TEPCO was lying about: everything's OK, no danger, one banana 'tickle' dose at most .

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 02:18 | Link to Comment Tapeworm
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If I elicited your comment I am truly happy with myself for bringing it up.

Thanks ever so much for filling in the gaping blanks that I questioned.

 +++++++++++++++++++++++

 If we are being held in the dark as much as Paveway IV hints at, we are alone responsible for monitoring what is really happening with the effluence from the busted plant. Rather than sitting aside we need to insist on proper wide screening monitoring of all forms of radioactive pollutants. It is not enough to do some quicky geieger counter tests. The entire spectrum myst be assayed and counted. If the goddamned goomint will not do it we need to commandeer their equipment and conduct proper assays. That will not happen so ther must be a private collectively paid for effort to get the equipment to find out what is really going on before it is all a surprise with no prophylactic efforts to reduce unneeded exposures.

 I would guess at way under a half million would set up fully owned metering equipment with pay for the health physics operators that can be hired out of pizza delivery or other wasteful uses of their training. I would suggest weeding out all that have any bias other than straight reporting (testable) to do the job. Goomint will not, nor will goomint employees whose jobs depend on doing right for the police state or any political ideology.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 02:27 | Link to Comment Tapeworm
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Paveway and my blurring.

 I never claimed anything other than a strong desire to find out just what happened. Several times I said that I am an incompetent amateur that has just got started in this because of my interest. I am grateful to get your read on this and exhort you to add anything that you can comment upon in the future. The volumes of the radionucleides make this of far greater import than most anyone bothers to think about.

 As someone that has ""faith"" in technology I cannot fathom the lack of basic interest in what is to be done to try to mitigate this disaster.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 05:02 | Link to Comment Paveway IV
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I admire your efforts to try to measure the additional radiation load being spewed on you and your family, Tapeworm. Anything is better than nothing, but the federal family will ensure you never have access to anything but the most basic equipment. If you want your door kicked in at 3 A.M. and your dog shot by DHS Stazi, then go out and buy a portable HPGe and start testing random food and posting the results. In fact, the DHS Stazi bought a crapload of Canberras a while back. These, I think:

http://www.jazdhealthcare.com/healthtech/company/Canberra/Homeland-Security-Solutions-Falcon-5000-Portable-HPGe-Based-Radionuclide-Identifier.htm?supplierId=20002233&productId=5740

There's probably one sitting in a fire department or sheriff's office near you - you paid for it. Unfortunately, DHS assets - like the DHS itself - are meant to protect the federal family, not yours. There's a fairly sophisticated HPGe air sampler running 24x7 somewhere in your state.

You can go to the EPA's site and see the measurements real-time. Except not in any understandable way - the results are meant to guide state labs to do further sampling if something is elevated. Nothing is ever elevated - go figure.

Every nuke plant has dozens of monitors running constantly - you paid for those, too. Results? Forget it - not for the little people.

CTBTO has about the most sensitive environmental monitors known - yes, you paid for those, too. Want to see what they found during Fukushima? I think they tossed out a single report from the closest one in Japan (which lost power and was overwhelmed by the massive radionuclide levels it wasn't designed to handle). That was after six months, and just had a few highlights. You don't get to see the actual data.

My invective isn't directed at you, but the clowns that used your money to buy expensive toys but won't share the bad news with you. Point is, you shouldn't have to measure *anything* yourself today.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:20 | Link to Comment Lost Word
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From my long ago five years experience as a Mechanical Engineer in seismic analysis of GE nuclear power stations, None of them are safely designed, and the Corporate management and the Goverment NRC are both too ignorant to understand the disastrous extent of the design problem. My complaints to my superiors did little except get me terminated as a trouble-maker. Now, many years later, the chickens have come home to roast, nuclear judgement day.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 01:42 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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In my best imitation of Moe (from the 3 Stooges): "Oh, a chronic complainer huh!"

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 06:13 | Link to Comment Svendblaaskaeg
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"I bought a bottle of 100 capsules of KI.."

Frequently Asked Questions on Potassium Iodide (KI)

http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/EmergencyPreparedness/BioterrorismandDrugPrepar...

 

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:42 | Link to Comment SgtShaftoe
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The real danger is the Cesium 137 and others that look biologically like calcium.  They're entirely synthetic.  Never before seen in nature prior to human nuclear experiments, and they have a longer life than a few days...

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:11 | Link to Comment suteibu
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The Japanese government lies about literally everything.  But even if it only lies half the time, why would anyone trust it ever? 

Japanese government lying makes the Obama administration look like pikers.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:36 | Link to Comment divide_by_zero
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Perhaps you can give an example of Obama not lying? I for one have never seen anyone of his ability to loom in the camera and stone face lie. Not a piker at all.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:43 | Link to Comment suteibu
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I have to admit that you got me on this.  I suppose I was thinking about it in historic terms.  The J-gov has a very deep-rooted tradition of lying about even the most minor things.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:12 | Link to Comment divide_by_zero
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He's probably inspired by them somehow, the traits seem spot on. Like lying about meeting his Kenyan uncle when he didn't have to.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:55 | Link to Comment Mine Is Bigger
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I cannot even trust the Japanese government to lie all the time.  They are just too unreliable!!!

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:23 | Link to Comment Crawdaddy
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Dear Fukashima youths - I truly hate what has happened to you. I fully expect it to happen where I live one day. As you leave this world, a parting shot can help balance the scales of justice. Get some pay back. Take a bankster or a bankster loving politician with you before you go. Go large, don't be timid. The bigger the better.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:25 | Link to Comment Uber Vandal
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This is most likely going to play out exactly like "On the Beach"

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 01:50 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Over-dramatized; but then, that might be your style ...

It does not, however, have any bearing on how things will turn out in the 'sphere of reality'.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 04:42 | Link to Comment Lore
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The movie scenario depicted radiation simplistically as an airborne all-at-once killer-of-everyone. Reality is probably going to be more insidious: a lot of people will get sick with serious illness in the years and decades ahead.  Much will be misattributed to other causes or not linked at all.  Like the reporting, the ripple effect will be very gradual and subject to interpretation and ambiguation. Japanese officials set the tone, apparently very consistent with spineless officials elsewhere (see DU). The effect is the same: many will die.  The gene pool will be damaged tremendously and probably legitimize birthright laws.  It's almost as if someone planned it. 

'Fukushima might make 2020 Tokyo Olympics impossible' (RT, 8-Oct)

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 06:11 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Let me add that the video has been blocked from Youtube by MGM ... (maybe that's a german problem, because of GEMA, or such. Have a try: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mxvx9gQ8k0 )

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:36 | Link to Comment Mad Muppet
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When, oh when will the first world nations rise up and throw off these oppressors that are using us like livestock? I'm continually amazed at what we put up with.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:43 | Link to Comment y3maxx
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...American sheep follow "King Sheep Obama", who does what He is told from His Bosses...Big Business Higher Ups.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 06:12 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:57 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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Oppressors? You mean our protectors? Those dedicating the lives to our benefit, even if it means imprisoning or killing countless numbers of us to do so? Oppressors...surely you jest.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 01:50 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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When, oh when will the first world nations rise up and throw off these oppressors that are using us like livestock? "

 

Drama Queen, Muppet. You're a drama queen ... you have it SO seacy compared to your granparents, who really DID suffer at the hands and whims of others.

 

You, not so much. On your worst day string tension is your biggest concern.


Tue, 12/24/2013 - 06:18 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Why don't you tell us, how hard you did suffer at the hands and whims of others, eh?! Because you didn't suffer that much, too? Or lest we forget that everyone except you is to be questioned? Go home!

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:41 | Link to Comment americanspirit
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I think its time that municipalities on the US West coast start putting together lawsuits against TEPCO, GE, and everyone else responsible for siting, designing, approving, building, and operating this monster. Why municipalities? Because the negligence of those parties has damaged and will damage property values in their areas, leading to a loss of property tax revenues. The earlier your municipality files, the closer to the front of the line you will be twenty years from now when the lawsuit finally reaches a court with final jurisdiction. Residents of West coast communities should be all over their district attorneys to get off their ass and file, now.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:42 | Link to Comment wisehiney
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The real estate value loss, loss of business and costs of medical care will bankrupt the world multiple times. (again)

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:48 | Link to Comment Yenbot
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Don't forget AREVA, the French company that made the MOX fuel...

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:07 | Link to Comment Tapeworm
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TEPCO kept Areva out of there

 I don't know whether Areva is a shit company, but I will guess that they have a fair amount of expertise that can be used to reduce the horrendous mess of Dai Ichii. Rather than getting a bunch of know nothing lawyers to sue for their usual crap, the rest of the whirld can tell Japan that they cannot fart around with this and must bring in real engineering firms that have experience. The Russians have a lot of experience as do many other countries.

 This needs a no bullshit plan with a fairly short deadline to find a way to stabilize the rotting mess that is there. Stabilize the fuel pools and do something about the groundwater From what little I know the stability of the soils is of paramount importance.

 The Russians finally accepted international help in coming up with a plan that by all accounts did very much to help that situation which was far less serious than this one.

 If you want to do something, write your worthless congress thing to tell them that Fukushima is far more important than some of their pet projects to rip off the last of the middle class.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:10 | Link to Comment TNTARG
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People is gonna have other priorities than tax revenues.

I'm worried because doctors are gonna be sick too. Huge ammounts of shit coming soon. Merde. There's nothing we can do about.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:02 | Link to Comment tony wilson
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your government loves you

dead

if der ge cancer donte get ya the rothschild weather weapon will.

 

sbx 1 incoming bitches

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:40 | Link to Comment divide_by_zero
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Yep, only one way to realistically get rid of unfunded liabilities

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:09 | Link to Comment TNTARG
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we're so, so screwed...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZL7FM_zLgM

 

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:13 | Link to Comment TradingTroll
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Has anyone noticed how Prussian Blue (Radiogardase) is nonexistent on the world online pharmacy market. Heroin and Plutonium (excuse the pun) are probably easier to buy. And why is it the importer goes silent months after Fukushima. Not a news release since mid 2011.

http://www.heyltex.com/

 

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 01:01 | Link to Comment SgtShaftoe
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Does it work?  I've never heard of a Cesium 137 blocker.  Tell us more! You might be on to something. 

Edited to add:

It looks like prescription only. 

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:15 | Link to Comment wisehiney
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Serious question. When does bulk of fuku debris wash up west coast?

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:48 | Link to Comment BoNeSxxx
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Coming soon to a beach near you... if you live on the west coast, that is.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-06/fukushima-debris-island-size-te...

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:55 | Link to Comment wisehiney
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There it is! 

Three headed Baby New Year on the way.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:14 | Link to Comment Xploregon
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From my understanding, the bulk of the Pacific debris field is going to hit the Northern California to Southern Oregon area. Not to say all of the West Coast will get debris. However, if I get what you're implying, radiation is not the problem (not that the massive tons of debris alone isn't a major problem). The debris was washed out in the "first wave" essentially and isn't irradiated. The "threat" is from invasive species being carried to West Coast harbors, fisheries, estuaries etc. on the debris. This has been proven in Oregon when a huge cement dock washed up on shore. It had to be decontaminated before being broken up and hauled off.
The water washed and leaking from Fuku carried by the currents behind the debris is a whole 'nuther can'o worms

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:35 | Link to Comment wisehiney
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Wondering how much debris and who will pay what cost to clean it. It surely will not be good for a frail national psyche nor a broken state/fed budget, at least. Bound to have an effect on property values. Will focus attention on radiation to follow.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 04:53 | Link to Comment Lore
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Stuff began washing ashore months after the tsunami.

Harley Davidson from Japan tsunami found on Canada beach

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:17 | Link to Comment Debugas
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thyroid problems were on the rise around chernobyl as well

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:53 | Link to Comment el Gallinazo
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It's all about depopulation.  Gotta meet the Agenda 21 agenda.  Our nannies are Hannibal Lecter in drag.  Bite me.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:06 | Link to Comment Michelle
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Ah, it's just evolutionary radiation, the human race will only get smarter from its effects. Remember survival of the fittest, Darwinians? The Fukishima disaster will go down in history as being a major turning point in our species' evolutionary advancement. Praise Fukishima!

 

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:31 | Link to Comment Windemup
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hey, where can i get me some of those cancer etfs?

 

 

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:32 | Link to Comment One And Only
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Radiation puts hair on your dick.

Stop being a bitch.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 07:00 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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That may be true but you wouldn't notice because you keep it in a drawer in your nightstand at some point.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:35 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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"it remained to be proven that the radioactive iodine came from the nuclear disaster instead of the normal environment."" ?????

It also remains  to be seen if the Japanese deficit has resulted from government spending.

 

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 06:28 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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That is just a brazen psy-op: Iodine 131 has a half-life of 8,02070 days. So there can be none in any natural environment, because it only can derive from fission and decays quite fast. Nothing remains to be proven, it is exactly clear where this stuff came from! The only radioactice isotope of Iodine that can be found in nature would be Iodine 129, with a half-life of 15.700.000 years, (which isn't as long as it would seem on a geological timescale). This is just meant to baffle those of us who don't know better with massive bullshit!

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:39 | Link to Comment Barbaric relic
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I live on the west coast.  Got cancer and had it cut out at the end of the summer.  Supposedly most die from my type of cancer but I won't take chemo or radiation.  I'll try and fight it by building up my immune system.  We're all doomed anyway, so who gives a $hit.  Do you think there's any link to fukishima?  I used to eat a lot of seafood -- salmon etc,  not no more.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:48 | Link to Comment SgtShaftoe
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Have you checked out the vitamin B-17 thing (apple seeds, peach seeds)?  Looks pretty interesting.  If you have netflix, look up the movie "Burzinski".  Or look up B-17 on youtube. 

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 01:02 | Link to Comment Arkadaba
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And raw garlic. I'm a skeptic at heart but this has helped me deal with some nasty infections and from my minimal research might have some cancer fighting properties. BTW, you will stink :)

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 14:24 | Link to Comment Lost Word
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There are other foods with "vitamin B-17", such as flax seed, millet, and others I cannot remember.

Important point that many do not mention, "vitamin B-17" requires essentially a vegetarian diet to be effective.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 01:03 | Link to Comment emersonreturn
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barbaric relic.

 

check out curcumin on pubmed.  the family member with cancer currently won't consider alternative, but curcumin is so powerful, so successful the big pharmacorps are trying to change its name so they can patent it.  one family member had stage 4 nonhodgkins lymph for 15 and half years (10yrs ago) and used curcumin (the new variations are amazing he was restricted to basically doing all himself) but it took him from the death talk and sent home to die to going to the market and doing the christmas shopping within 3weeks.  he took enormous quanities; 20 caps, along with vit C injections under abraham hoffer, all the vitamins, and pots and pots of green tea.  i've seen it.  good luck.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 05:09 | Link to Comment kareninca
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Mish Shedlock very recently posted about getting diagnosed with prostate cancer (sky high PSA, biopsy coming back malignant), doing tons of research, taking supplements (he gives many details), and getting the PSA way down again and the next biopsy totally clean:  http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2013/12/cancer-free-i-beat-prostate-cancer-mish.html

He is a smart guy, and I am grateful to him for posting what he did; I have been sending a copy of his blogpost on this to many people.  Resveratrol was a big component of his self-treatment; so was baking soda (changing body acidity).

Curcumin is remarkable stuff.  It is supposed to be combined with pepper, for effectiveness.

I wish you well, barbaric relic.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 18:01 | Link to Comment emersonreturn
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kareninca

 

certainly the early versions of curcumin absolutely required biopern.  and balancing a large dose of curcumin with the appropriate amount of biopern can be very tricky as too much biopern is totally counter productive.  but the new high dosage curcumin available from LifeExtension has balanced the black pepper and made the curcumin readily processed.  many studies indicate curcumin is more effective with oil.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 19:14 | Link to Comment kareninca
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Thank you for the extra info re biopern; I am in no way an expert (yet, ugh).  I have started to see the stuff re oil helping.  Funny that when you make Indian food the traditional way (I've made a lot), you generally fry the spices in oil, and there's always some turmeric and black pepper frying in there with the oil

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 00:48 | Link to Comment emersonreturn
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i've spent the day in a chemo centre in washington state.  a family member has pancreatic liver cancer.  it's our third trip.  8hrs and then sent home with a fanny pack, an infusion of draino etc.  the cancer centre is always full.  there is never a empty chair.  everyone assumes this is normal.  the new normal.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 05:15 | Link to Comment kareninca
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My neighbor, my sister in law, my husband's cousin, then today a dear family friend (49 years old).  Well, they're all alive at the moment, all getting the surgery and the chemo or just done with it.

None of them are old.  It's crazy and scary.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 01:08 | Link to Comment mobydick
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How many billions did JP Morgan provide for legal costs this year to defend the indefensible? Here's a chance for scumbag lawyers to do something decent for a change and still get paid those big bucks. Where the hell are they?

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 01:20 | Link to Comment scraping_by
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Everybody's curious why the epic story of our time isn't getting better press coverage. Pause and think for a moment. What kind of cross-promotion can you get out of this story?

I mean if there were reality shows about real housewives, or cops, or young delinquents, fine. Anything part of the Time-Life empire, or better yet, News Corp.  You'd get one media frenzy after another.

Salvage operations are interesting, but not a sport. And I don't think you could work tits into a high radiation area no matter how lame the lead in.

The MSM is set up as a business. News used to promote the media's sponsors. Now it just promotes itself.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 03:05 | Link to Comment TheRideNeverEnds
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I bought more twitter stock today on margin so I should be safe!

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 03:29 | Link to Comment sbfeibish
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How much would it have cost for an adequate seawall & other protections?  Must seem cheap now.  Would like to see an article detailing cost of adequate seawall.  And better yet article detail cost of better seawall vs. costs of disaster.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 04:15 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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The Fukushima Youth have electricity.

Their GameBoxes work.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 05:18 | Link to Comment kareninca
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Well, no-one else has said it so I will.  They're admitting to 59 cases, so the reality is 59 thousand cases, or more.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 06:29 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Wait, you mean to say ... that there is never just one cockroach?! But this cannot be true! ;-)

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 06:29 | Link to Comment CuttingEdge
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Whether its around the time Californians start glowing in the dark, or (see article above) homegrown cancer-related illness skyrockets, this shit will out, no matter how hard the powers-that-be try to keep it contained.

At what point will the MSM start expressing how big a clusterfuck for present and future generations Fukushima is? Only when witholding the truth to keep the MIC sweet leaves them looking ridiculous in the eyes of an "aware" sheeple. Problem is, given Miley's twerking and shit of that ilk dominate the brain cells of the masses, this could take some time - more than enough time for Tepco to fuck this thing up even more (were that possible).

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 09:00 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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59 could be a lie.  They probably moved the other 10,000 to other areas of the island.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 11:31 | Link to Comment Mad Muppet
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Drama Queen, Muppet. You're a drama queen ... you have it SO seacy compared to your granparents, who really DID suffer at the hands and whims of others.

  You, not so much. On your worst day string tension is your biggest concern.

Really, what an ignorant, projecting, thing to say...to assume anything about people: but of course you know less than nothing about my grandparents or me. They were farmers. No .gov told them what to do with their lands. No CIA,DHS, NSA to spy on them, no Common Core to indoctrinate their children...noone told them it was illegal to shoot one of the Kings deer to feed their 15 kids. There were no GMO crops to make them huge profits or to poison their neighbors, no wheel irrigation. No cable TV, they had a wagon, then a pickup truck. They worked like dogs and took time to go to church on Sunday.

  I'm in my 50's. I work in the oil industry in Montanna and North Dakota, and in goldmining in Idaho. I work 70-80 hours a week, Friday was -10, blowing snow, Saturday was -25. I was out in it, working like a dog, 12  to 15 hrs a day...all for a devalued, fiat currency worth about 10% of what it was for my grandparents. What I do furnishes me with a barely comfortable living, living in the American Siberia surrounded by a transient community, compared to my grandparents who owned hundreds of acres on what the family could work to afford, and were surrounded by community and family. I'd say they had it far better.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 11:49 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Mad Muppet, you are a respectable person. It honors you, to remind the rest of us that on christmas eve no one shall be left hungry and cold - so it is temporarily appropriate to feed the troll. :)

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 14:16 | Link to Comment steveo77
Tue, 12/24/2013 - 14:17 | Link to Comment steveo77
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Hey if you are a Christian, intentionally say Merry Christmas!   to people.

Fuck this "Happy Holidays: apologist bullshit.

You don't have to fucking apologize for being Christian and expressing your beliefs!

 

Merry Fucking Christmas!

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