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China (And Korea) Blast Abe's "Absolutely Unacceptable" Visit To War Shrine
It has been 7 years and 4 months since the last Prime Ministerial visit to Yasukuni Shrine (a symbol of Japan's past militarism - and its convicted war criminals - which appears to be resurrecting); but in what China describes as an act that is "absolutely unacceptable to the Chinese people," current Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe paid tribute to the war dead today. The strong reaction was met with a rapid 'apology' of sorts as Abe stated officially, "I am aware that, because of misunderstandings, some people criticise a visit to Yasukuni shrine as an act of worshipping war criminals... [but] I have no intention at all to hurt the feelings of Chinese or South Korean people."
In the past... (via Reuters)
China and South Korea have repeatedly expressed anger in the past over Japanese politicians' visits to Yasukuni Shrine, where Japanese leaders convicted as war criminals by an Allied tribunal are honored along with war dead.
The shrine is seen in parts of Asia as a symbol of Japanese past militarism.
Abe's Excuse...
Via AFP,
Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said Thursday his visit to the controversial Yasukuni war shrine was a pledge that Japan would not go to war again and was not intended to hurt Chinese or South Koreans.
"I chose this day to report (to enshrined spirits) what we have done in the year since the administration launched and to pledge and determine that never again will people suffer in war," he told reporters at the shrine.
"I am aware that, because of misunderstandings, some people criticise a visit to Yasukuni shrine as an act of worshipping war criminals, but I made my visit to pledge to create an era where people will never suffer from catastrophe in war," Abe said.
"I have no intention at all to hurt the feelings of Chinese or South Korean people."
And The Chinese response...
Chinese foreign ministry Asian affairs dept head: Yasukuni visit "absolutely unacceptable to the Chinese people" pic.twitter.com/c3skU6FnTn
— Austin Ramzy (@austinramzy) December 26, 2013
And the consequences...
Chinese Foreign Ministry on Abe Yasukuni visit: "The Japanese side must bear all consequences." #uhoh
— ian bremmer (@ianbremmer) December 26, 2013
The Chinese people are enraged...
Chinese netizens call for anti-Japan boycott and inquire about street protest on Strong Nation Forum http://t.co/FYp4SEjAmS
— Jessica Chen Weiss (@jessicacweiss) December 26, 2013
and The Koreans are now chiming in...
(LEAD) Abe's Yasukuni visit to have diplomatic repercussions: Seoul http://t.co/n6iX6rz1pf
— Yonhap News Agency (@YonhapNews) December 26, 2013
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This Abe bozo doesn't sound too smart. He's doing the equivalent of paying tribute to a Nazi shrine.
America celebrates turning little kids into shadows on walls (Hiroshima, Nagasaki) V day. And a Columbus day parade represents what exactly?
Japan celebrates the invasion of Commodore Perry with July "Black Ship" festivals. Celebrate, not memorialize. How screwed up is that?
The true costs of past wars are being paid today.
We cannot afford more war.
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2013/12/the-true-costs-of-war-stefan-molyn...
It's like the entire world turned into a post-menopausal woman.
Now that's an apology:
Stick it up your ass, and if you don't like it, you can stick it up your ass.
Ah, the intricacies, subtleties and civility of the Asian cultures
The redacted joy of Bataan death marches
Are any Japanese sex robots made in China*? That's the only question that matters to me. If "someone" can hack into Target and steal PINs and CVV codes etc from the cache in the fucking card reader that Target claims they don't even keep themselves, I'm guessing they can access the fuck-me-big-boy-vibrating vagina and cause more easing or tightening from Abe.
*like U.S. military equipment. P.S. Hey NSA, go spy on your own fucking incompetent asses for using Chinese processors in your fucking computers you fucking asshole traitors to the Constitution. Just go ahead and hand the country over to the globalists while you spy on Americans who just want what you claim falsely to protect you incompetent, mindless, just following orders fucks.
jesus
Merry fucking jesus christ Christmas.
What a fucking good reason to fight a war. Fuck it, this is important.
We should argue over this and kill thousands if not hundreds of thousands because we really are that fucking stupid.
I say Yes, go for it China, street protests first and then fucking nuke 'em.
I watched this for my merry fucking jesus christ christmas time lullaby; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5LZAIg4yRQ;
I wonder if the Chinese figure they deserve entitlements?
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Asia's designer wars, coming to a theater near you.
Follow the puppet strings. Who needs war? Not the average person in any country. Self appointed elites need to hide their crimes before hanging day arrives.
Correct, but it is more war that you will get. The elderley have alway lead the youth off to war to suit their own desires, since the begginng of time to the end of time. So it's a good thing that we are quite close to the end of times, you either make a cushy life for yourselves, or go back to the hard life for a spell. Life sucks when you are a mere 100 year human.
These Japanese leaders could do this in private. This guy is screwing up Japan to such a degree he needs every grand distraction he can find, including war.
Fukushima anyone?
I think he wants a new war memorial.....just looking at the old one for designs..
> "America celebrates turning little kids into shadows on walls (Hiroshima, Nagasaki) V day. "
Do some homework on the proposed invasion of Japan that would have killed many more people than the 2 bombs that were dropped. It was the best option of a small set of far worse options at an awful time in history. If you think there was a better option, please tell us all what it was.
A better option would have been fire bombing the Japanese mostly wooden cities during the night to kill off more people than t...oh wait, America did that to Japan as well.
BANZAI! BANZAI! BUCKAROO BANZAI!!
China and Japan should settle their squabbles and go at iin "old school" warfare with swords, bows, spears on foot and horseback with their respective war lords leading the charge!
Then we'll see who gets what
Don't look, but the 10 yr Treasury yield just hit 3.00%
http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/bond/10_year
I told you not to look you mooks!
I won't look, but I already told not to lie, it's back down to 2.975.
Popo - Go Home
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You might want to do some homework yourself instead of chugging the Kool-Ade of the official sanitized narrative.
Yes, sure, and the Pearl Harbor attack was a surprise, and Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11/01 attacks.
A better option would have been for FDR to accept the surrender overtures offered by the Japanese in January 1945, which were virtually identical to the final terms of surrender agreed to at the formal surrender ceremony on September 2, 1945.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html
Interesting article in the link. Thanks for posting. I believe the bombs were dropped to deter the Soviet Union in Europe. The Soviets had already defeated Germany in early to mid-1944, but rather than send the tanks directly to Berlin, Stalin sent his army into the Baltics and then waited again at his own discretion before invading Germany itself. The war in Europe could have been over 6 months to a year earlier if the Soviets had went directly to Berlin and nothing was stopping them. The Soviet army had been thru hell for years, was strong, well-equipped, and massive in size. Stalin could have crushed the allies like a bug in Western Europe, again entirely at his discretion, and Truman and Churchill knew it. The only deterrence was the bomb, the ability to produce them at will, the willingness to use them, and the means to deliver them. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were about the Soviets, not Japan.
You had to smear a turd on Russia, didn't ya?
Not really, just realpolitik in those times. Don't blame the Soviets a bit for insuring a buffer between the homeland and Western Europe having been invaded from there several times over the last few centuries. Also wouldn't have blamed him for squishing the West and being done with them for good if given the chance.
Hey Stock! Are you Kilgore's brother?
The war in Europe started with Germany and the Soviet Union dividing Poland in half. At wars end the Soviet got to keep their half and we all now what happened to Germany.
Those first two nukes we had were destined for Berlin, but weren't quite ready. They were used on Japan as a statement to the Soviet. They looked even more impressive used against paper dwellings. The Japanese lost more civilians in the firebomb raids on their cities than they did from nuclear bombs.
So, next visit the U.S. President makes to Arlington National Cemetary will get nasty notes from:
The Chinese Communists for the Chinese "Volunteers" we killed in Korea, North Korea, Germany, etc.?
I was aware of the July, 1945, offer of surrender. I was not aware that the overture had been made in January, 1945.
All of those men that died at Okinawa died needlessly. That is a damned shame.
As someone who had three non-combatant relatives who somehow managed to survive Santo Tomas - America could have turned EVERY WORTHLESS DOG MASQUERADING AS A MAN, WOMAN OR CHILD IN ALL OF JAPAN INTO A SHADOW ON A WALL, and the victory would still be worth celebrating.
The mental impotence of modern relativism masquerading as morality is sickening.
Well, yes, Abe looks bad in the eyes of his neighbors, but:
"China is interfering in the internal affairs of another country."
Isn't that what they always complained about when the USA did it?
I wish I could give you a +20 for that one! Frickin awesome.
If you complain what I have for dinner, that's interference.
But, hey, what if I have a party in front of your house and celebrate that I assaulted you yesterday?
Maybe Abe will visit the Fukushima "shrine?"
Naaah... He likes living too much...
Nazi shrine? The equivalent would be a Catholic Church. Hitler was a devout Catholic. Netanyahu doesn't girlwhine when Merkel goes to Church, now does he?
The PM should worship wherever and whomever he wants. Freedom of religion, bitchez.
Hitler was not a devout Catholic, you moron. His mother was Catholic, but he essentially renounced religion. Like all statists he made the State and himself a god.
when the gold runs out going to china there will be war
Abe is a puppet for the neo-feudalists/imperialists who pushed him back into power. He is an idiot...the useful kind.
Yep. The militarists in the west want a big ass war and Japan is the key.
The Chinese leadership failed to mention that the Japanese killed 6-10 million Chinese, yet under Mao the Chinese managed to kill 60-90 million of their own citizens. Interestingly it is the revolutionaries families of the Mao era that are getting filthy rich while most are still suffering.
Pretty much sums up modern MSM propaganda. The two shit sandwiches selling themselves try to tell us that the other one tastes worse. Reminds me of watching cable news trying to tell us which Team to vote for.
China: "fucking murderous Japanese!"
Japan: "we're 1/10th the murderers you are!"
And the leaders' great grand children remain rich beyond our wildest dreams while we all post here about who is more evil.
Sort of like the news special the other day lauding Kennedy's unfinished business.... Which included getting us out of Vietnam
Out, famed spot, I say, out!
And the shit sandwhiches can go fuck themselves, die, and rot in hell. The last 48 hours I hugged, laughed, kissed, cried, ate, drank, and was merry. I will die with a clear conscious today, tomorrow, or 40+ years from now as a free man....
Mao's birthday...coming right up.
A few Christmases ago, the Weird House reported that there were Mao ornaments on the tree.
Serious
No shit
Probably Chaney's fault
Correct me if I am wrong but indirectly the Japanese were responsible for Mao coming to power. The Chinese nationalists were busy fighting the Japanese invaders that killed millions of Chinese. Mao was biding his time, letting the nationalists do most of the fighting. When the latter were exhausted and Mao took his chance. The nationalists had to flee to Taiwan.
But but but! Mao didn't kill all those Chicoms on purpose! It was all a big mistake!! Communism works!! Mao wasn't totally raping kids and drinking green tea till his teeth were green and all rotten!
Yes, who killed more Chinese, Hirohito or Mao?
Who killed more Russians, Stalin or Hitler?
Who killed more Koreans, the Jong Dynasty or Americans?
Who killed more Cambodians...
I forgot to mention that it is ironic that the Chinese might complain about Abe' as they prepare to celebrate the birthday of Chairman Mao.
So the murderer who killed fewer don't have to be blamed? And can sit in the jury to judge others?
Yeah but Mao was actually trying to help when he killed the 90 million Chinese people, there's a big difference.
eh, I think the world needs another good cleaning anyway...I say bring on the next major war, we are way overdue....WWII was sooooo 20th century...
We are due indeed. First clash between superpowers of the 20th century, 1904 between Russia and Japan... 19th century, 1801 between France and Spain vs Portugal...Early 1700... Great Northern War... In the 16th and 17th century you got the 80 years war and the 30 years war...
Usually, in the first 20 years of every century, there's a big ass war between superpowers... You can always see the signs building up... today they are clear to see... It will involve Russia, China, Japan, Europe and the US...
We probably have 5 years, best case scenario 10 years before everything hits the fan and the world changes forever and probably not in a good way, especially for the west... hopefully we avoid a nuclear exchange...
It wont be a direct war, but an economical, social and cultural war, which will the west lose.
If Abe had a Chinese wife, the Chinese would bitch that he fucks the Chinese nightly.
In regional or global politics you aren't going to please anyone no matter what you do. Fucking idiot obama went around the shithole planet bowing to everyone and they deservedly kick him upside his empty head non-stop.
Smegley,
Haven't you heard?
Obama is 'special', as in special education(yeah, handicapped if you choose to say it that way).
He is not really one of us.
All Abe had to do was visit the shrine unannounced. He was trying to kick China in the balls, and we all know it.
Fuck China for even bothering with it. It's on Japanese sovereign territory, and Japan can do what the fuck ever they want.
This whole shitshow is starting to look a lot the the early 20th century being played all over again, with a new group of retarded children that have memories shorter than the average fruit fly. They deserve exactly what's coming their way, as do we.
Hot mike caught Shinzo Bernanke saying "Chinks can eat my strontium-proof shorts...."
I agree with everything except for your comment regarding memory. These people have deep seeded histroical and cultural memory going back generations if not centuries. Symbolism plays a HUGE role in all of this.
Japan + North Korea alliance blindsiding the world with Best Korea troops pushing into Manchuria vs. China. South Korea doesn't even play until 18 months later.
Wildcard Mongolia.
Note also that Vietnam has a larger Army (though not overall military) than the US does.
Jews make a ton of money financing all sides and Putin somehow wins in all this geopolitically.
Japan + North Korea alliance
That's the most retarded thing I've read on the internet, maybe except Krugman's articles.
Abe needs to create lots of distractions to keep Fukushima off the front page. Recent radiation levels at Fukushima were 100 million times normal background levels and enough to kill a person in under an hour. And Japan recently passed a secrecy law, probably to cover up Fukushima:
Japan’s Parliament Approves a Secrecy Law Amid ProtestsDecember 6, 2013
In an unusual late-night session with protesters chanting outside, Parliament passed a secrecy law on Friday that the prime minister said would strengthen national security but opponents warned would stifle democracy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/07/world/asia/japans-parliament-approves-a-secrecy-law-amid-protests.html?_r=0
http://www.nippon.com/en/behind/l00050/
i just wonder (anecdotally) why POTUS doesn't say a CHRISTMAS prayer for all the islamic militants, (and junior members of Al Qaeda - those five and under anyway, that we kill using drone technology) and why we don't wonder as a nation, what happens to the islamic fighters who get their legs blown off? i guess we're all human beings, i understand the Koran defines infidels as subhuman, but the bible doesn't have these disclaimers (I think) and yet we have murdered several million islamic folks, in the last ten years, do any of them deserve a CHRISTIAN prayer?
Every day I wake up, I say a brief prayer: "Lord, deliver us from Evil!"
As best I can tell? That guy ain't listening to any of us.
Speak for yourself, One man's poison is another man's meat. Or vice versa. You get it one way or another.
All of them want their pound of flesh.
Fuck them.
A desperate man doing a desperate thing...especially when FUCKITshima is melting.
Let's face it Nippon--the so-called land of the rising sun, you're on everyone's shit list!
Jarshit said that there's no danger to the west coast because Fuckushittinme was really filmed in a Hollywood studio by Stanley Kubrick
PM Abe is just insane. That explains all his actions.
All war criminals of THE PAST...... who cares. How about today's?
They're still waiting to have their legacy cemented.
If by 'legacy' you mean 'feet', I'm all for it.
True dat. Kissinger, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, Obama, John Yoo, Clinton and so many others should hang high...
Abe is a fucking dumbass.
1). Celebrate the attrocities commited by Unit 731.
2). China gets angry.
3). Pretend to not understand why China is angry.
/Abe logic
Come on China and South Korea, man the fuck up, in response, stop all Japanese imports... and sell all Japanese bonds... make Abe pay for this crap.
I know the Japanese did some brutal shit in WWII and leading up to it, but didn't we nuke Women and Children to kingdom come? (oh, 100,000 or so).
And Mao and his Chinese thugs and the current iteration are not saints by any means.
So what's all this tempest about paying tribute to your war dead?
Sounds like a different kind of chest thumping.
"How dare you honor your dead!"
Uh...um'kay.
ebworthen - Merry Christmas
Last night I watched this film for my christmas eve viewing pleasure:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5LZAIg4yRQ
I saw shades of obama
Things are amiss in the republic and you know it. And this was American Propaganda.
As Above, So Below
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Would have cost a million lives to invade the mainland, it was the best option from a list of bad options.
Would have cost a million lives to invade the mainland, it was the best option from a list of bad options.
Would have cost a million lives to invade the mainland, it was the best option from a list of bad options.
Many people believe that but it is incorrect. Japan what on its knees, cut from raw materials and energy sources, it wouldn't have lasted much longer. Maybe another 6 months or so. But with Russia invading Manchuria, Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, it was only a mater of time before having the country divided the Korean way. The US was in a hurry to end the war but with no aviation left to defend the country and American Bombers within range, it is very difficult to imagine that Japan would not have capitulated sooner than later.
That's called street justice. If you start a global war and torture people, it's only fair when entire cities like Berlin, Munich, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Tokyo are wiped off the map.
Those cities are rocking today. What about Sodom and Gomorrah?
Where are they? That is how you wipe things off the map.
Don't drink the juice!
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Abe, don't worry, we will not forget:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_JJRVsCZ4c&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=P...
And for those who have gone before us:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsv--5JTyxQ&list=PL47F07EB858EEEE5D
When it comes to truth...the real religion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuOo6qY6o4c&list=PL47F07EB858EEEE5D
(this kid rocks!)
Abe was absolutely right to visit Yasukuni today. "War criminal" is a relative thing. Would Japan have won the war, the "criminals" would be on the other side: Those people who bombed civilians without restrain in Dresden and Tokyo to engulf them in a sea of fire without talking about the nuclear bombs and their dreadful consequences on civilians long after the end of the war. (This does not absolve the crimes commited by Japan during the war, especially in China which Japan should recognize more openly, but this is another issue.)
The reason why Abe decided to finally go to Yasukuni is quite simple to understand. There is right now no plus in showing restrain towards China or Korea. The Chinese have been pestering Japan for over a year now with increasingly aggressive posturing in the Japan Sea (as well as other countries, especially the Philippines in the South China Sea) with no intentions to seat down and discuss. (Not that Japan would be ready to give much but still.) As for Korea, they have also refused to even meet Abe, treating him almost as poorly as Kim Jong Un!
All this is raising tensions uselessly. Asia is not the powder Keg that most people fear, there is simply not enough weapons for this yet. But the potential for economic war is real. The impact of a significant devaluation of the Yen would be quite far reaching on China and devastating on Korea. It can be slow; the current strategy or much faster... It will also impact the Japanese consumer where it hurts most but the reality is that Japan was never as rich as it appeared in the 1990s. It will just be a return to the mean.
Irrespective of who won and therefore is allowed to decide who the war criminals are, Japan knew bloody well that this would be treated as an insult by China, to say, 'no offence was intended' is not an excuse when you knew before hand how insulted China would be. I am no fan of China, however China has a long history of suffering at Japanese hands in the past and a degree of sensitivity is simply good politics.
Abe should have known better.
I agree with your comment in general. But in particular, I think Abe knows bloody well what he is doing and this has nothing to do with China. Don't forget that politics is always local.
My second comment is that China is not exactly a "democracy" and as such what we understand as "popular" opinion is directed to a much greater degree than it is in the West. No question that Japan commited atrocities in China starting with Nanjing and should have apologized long ago. This said, it is China policy to keep this on the back burner for whatever it is worth. When the Chinese want to forget "atrocities", somehow, sometimes they find it surprisingly easy. Think Mao Zedong and his "Great leap forward" or his "Cultural Revolution". He is being feted today but I doubt much will be remembered about his millions of victims.
All this said: Yes, he should have known better.
The elite is just tickled to see the plebes squabble. With a little push here and a little poke there we'll be at each others throats soon and get rid of each other so they can enjoy their planet without having to endure our endless whining.
Abe, gave china a reminder of how Japan won for a time in WW2, and ruled a large part of China. then the USA broke the the saki cup. today China knows USA & Japan work together, so this was not done without OK from Washington.
China's new strong posture on some disputed Islands, is now shown as weakness. Japan does not fear china as much as china's leaders thought. Will China respond? or will china look weak to it's people and the world?
next move China..my guess russia and china have worked out an agreement on how to bring down Abe. and make USA look weak as it's puppet is removed. a lot of poor outcomes for this insult, one wonders if our planners in USA are looking for a distraction in the east? or maybe everyone just ignores the insult, as more to be gained to keep the status quo. lets hope there are no china or jap warplane crashes into the south china sea some idiot might start shooting. " did they fire? Aye sir fire! what?"..ala bedford incident.
You may be on the right track. I am sure by now Japan's leaders have come to the ugly conclusion that their homeland is hoelessly contaminated with radiation and they can either abandon their homes or die in them. So what have they got to loose by being puppets of the USA? Maybe the dear leaders of the USA have promised the Japanese an area to relocate to in the USA. I guess they could always re-open the Japanese concentration camps they built dureing WWII. This would have been absurd thinking a few years back, but now.........
Yeah, sure, I bet the Chinese are going to rush to do just that. Absolutely.
I spend part of the year in a huge Chinese city wrapped up in smog. There's a Taiwanese shopping mall in my neighbourhood where every single day hundreds of poor Chinese souls queue up for hours on end to buy freshly baked "chiizu keiki" from a Japanese chain store...
Not to mention most Chinese students I know, who are mad about Japanese manga and anime - and have little else inside their heads.
Has the capitalist smog melted down their brains, I wonder...
i often visit Yasukuni Shrine as it is a decent walk from home, has a lovely garden and pond with benches where one can take a very peaceful rest. It also has the only monument to the kempei tai, the military police who served as thought police to the degree the Japanese enforced conformity.
there is no covering up the brutality of the Japanese militarists against the Korean and Chinese populations in the 30s and 40s. it is wrong to try.
There is no covering up the brutality of the maoist revolutionary period, from the strategy of letting the nationalists suffer the bulk of bleeding out the Japanese army to the civil war, subsequent purges, and then the starvations inherent in Mao's insane polcies. Mao and the PRC party elitemamanged to kill more chinese than any leaders in history. Of course, the PRC party elite will move heaven and earth to attack those openly addressing these historical facts.
Yasukuni shrine visits and Mao's huge portrait over the entrance to the forbdden city on tianaman square symbolize the whitewashing of bloodthirsty power grabs. Sort of helps you understand the DPRK's policy of juche.
The various neighbors do not play nice. As if any do. Anywhere.
Given Abe's bowel problems, mayeb he was driving past the shrine, got caught short and was scrambling around there looking for a toilet. Unfortunate stuff.