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Edward Snowden's Alternative Christmas Message To The World

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Edward Snowden's Christmas message, conveyed to the world courtesy of the UK's Channel 4, from his Russian exile is simple: "end mass surveillance." Alas, in a world in which social media exhibitionism is the norm, is his message increasingly falling on deaf ears? After all, there is a Duck Dynasty scandal, or a Justin Bieber retirement at any given moment, both of which are far more important than the loss of all personal privacy and the supreme reign of Big Brother.


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Wed, 12/25/2013 - 10:21 | Link to Comment Leonardo Fibonacci2
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This man is a true patriot!  God bless him.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 10:30 | Link to Comment Ying-Yang
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And a New Year's wish that every week during 2014 that additional spying documents are released to inform and remind the world of just how far things have gone.

Peace on Earth will never come from spying on people!

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 10:37 | Link to Comment CH1
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And the next Edward Snowden will be....?

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 10:56 | Link to Comment el Gallinazo
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Under the new paradigm, when looking for a leader, we should all look in the mirror.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Yes We Can. But...
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Had a nightmare last night.  Alex Baldwin was straddling me, screaming at me 'What's in YOUR profile?'.  More nightmarish than having that doofus' crotch in my face is that I'm convinced that the NSA does have extensive profiles on all adult Americans if not internationals, locations, travel records, toll records, all non-cash purchases, web activities, contacts, resumes, social media, eBay, craigslist, porn habits, dating sites, groceries on card, Starbucks card purchases/locations,insurance records, credit card records, bank records, all phone calls incl contents, all the info that would appear in your Lexis/Nexus report,  ..... Total Information Awareness.  But the gubmint would *never* use that against you, would it?  And their possessing this info does not does not have any impact on the citizen/gubmint relationship, in which the gubmint ostensibly works for you, does it?

The USA is a latent - at present - totalitarian State.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 12:30 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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It's blocked now. Anywhere else we can see it?

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment 666
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You better watch out,

You better not cry,

You better not pout,

I’m telling you why.

The NSA is spying on you.


They’re making a list

Of everything that you do.

Be it email or phone

Or sexting a Jew.

The NSA is spying on you.


They see you when you’re sleeping.

They follow you when you’re awake.

They know if you’ve been bad or good

Or a terrorist who’s a fake.


If you should get ill

And feel bad all day,

ObamaCare’s for you

As long as you pay.

The NSA is spying on you.


Wed, 12/25/2013 - 13:15 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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Aint no body got no time fo dat!

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 15:42 | Link to Comment markmotive
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Everyone knows the public is being fooled. Even the public knows that.

Noam Chomsky has his own 'alternative' message to the world.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 02:05 | Link to Comment Four chan
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man of the year.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 14:38 | Link to Comment Emergency Ward
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Alternate site Snowden message:

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 17:27 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Much appreciated... when someone doesn't want us to see something you know it's something we should all be watching!

And thank you Edward Snowden!

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 16:06 | Link to Comment Wile-E-Coyote
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How fucking ironic his message is blocked.

Does anyone else feel an anger building up from within?

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 18:31 | Link to Comment JPM Hater001
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That's funny. Wake up people. Blocked- you are being played. How do you get a message to spread? Tell someone it's forbidden to hear.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 03:49 | Link to Comment andia
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SNOWDEN is the man of the YEAR or a DECADE for me. TRUE PATRIOT . His message can be found here:


Wed, 12/25/2013 - 12:53 | Link to Comment Yes We Can. But...
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Wed, 12/25/2013 - 13:04 | Link to Comment Yes We Can. But...
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Friedrich and Brzezinski argue that a totalitarian system has the following six, mutually supportive, defining characteristics:

  1. Elaborate guiding ideologySecurity uber alles - check.
  2. Single mass party, (RepubliCrat - check) typically led by a dictator. Obama/rule of law, getting there.
  3. System of terror, using such instruments as violence and secret police. Militarized police, shelter-in-place, SWAT, domestic drones, NSA/Stasi - check.
  4. Monopoly on weapons.  Working hard on it.
  5. Monopoly on the means of communicationMedia owned, all web/phone data stored - check.
  6. Central direction and control of the economy through state planningBenJanet, mortgages, healthcare, TBTF/banks - check.

A little more work on consolidation of executive power and gun control, and you can stick a fork in it.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 13:21 | Link to Comment Harrison
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I just watched Death Race 2000 the other night. Let's just call it the Bipartisan Party, shall we? Then at least we can have some cool circuses, and maybe some bread too.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 13:48 | Link to Comment TORNasunder
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Don't worry, Santa has brought a whole new slew of 'problem, reaction, solution' Hegelian Dialectic options for Christmas to TPTB.

I'm expecting something in January. Just wondering when their gonna drop another BIG one.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 17:08 | Link to Comment debtor of last ...
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7 feet below sea level, northern Europe; Snowden's message on prime tv channel news as we speak.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment Keyser
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Along with your "subversive" comments posted on ZH, which are triangulated via your email address and stored in the hive under the category of future FEMA Camp Guests.  

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 14:43 | Link to Comment Eeyores Enigma
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What I find most disturbing is the blind, mindless worship of technology even though it has had a negative effect on almost everyone. 

Loss of jobs, loss of privacy, loss of rights, loss of intelligence, no matter…tech will save us…all hail tech, it's like…like…like magic. The solution is always more TECH>

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 23:52 | Link to Comment Goldilocks
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"non-cash purchases"

Sweden moves closer to a cashless society with new money laundering registry

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:12 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Doing all I can on not signing up for Obamacare.....bought my own cellphone too!


Cost to you......ZERO!

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:38 | Link to Comment Seer
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I don't own/carry/use a cell phone.

"Cost to you......ZERO!"

Not exactly, given that shit works on volume.  You are, in essence, adding volume to the "production machine" that then is able to patch this shit all together (feed the NSA).

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment KickIce
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Congress and NSA need tp apply the same methodology when searching for terrorists.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 13:11 | Link to Comment fockewulf190
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Lol, it´s blocked from viewers from Germany because of copyright laws.  Rrriiigghht.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 23:43 | Link to Comment evokanivo
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Someone posted this earlier in the thread - his video is still available here:

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 16:45 | Link to Comment island
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What we, the people, need is Mass Surveillance of the Government!

Thank you, Edward Snowden.  You are one of the good guys.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 19:43 | Link to Comment KickIce
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why then junks?  The NSA/Congress are terrorists and only need look in the mirror rather than bombings half way around the world.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 23:47 | Link to Comment BlobbyBlueBland
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I'm just waiting for him to drop the big one (he and Greenwald keep insisting the best it yet to come). I have a feeling it has something to do with Israel controls our nukes. They already get all of our data unfiltered, control congress, AIPAC, etc. In essence, they have a gun to our head because why else would we comply with all of their wishes? The only answer I can come up with is that Israel has the access to our nuclear weapons.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:00 | Link to Comment johngaltfla
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And the next Edward Snowden will be....?

Terminated with extreme prejudice.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:26 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
dick cheneys ghost's picture certainly wont be that pussy satoshi, which is why bitcoin cant be trusted.......

btw, you never did explain how you 'accidentily' aquired your bitcions

How does that happen?

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:39 | Link to Comment Seer
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I think it happens when a lake turns upside down, or sumtin like that...

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:39 | Link to Comment French Frog
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Unfortunately, although the clip was made by/for CH4 here in the UK, online through ZH, it is not available to UK users.....

Bah Humbug!

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 12:01 | Link to Comment Motorhead
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Perhaps GCHQ had something to do with that, hehe.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 12:45 | Link to Comment French Frog
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Where is Lemmy when you need him...

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment Race Car Driver
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> This man is a true patriot!  God bless him.

The reason we're even talking about this shit is that morons like you can't see a psyop when it hits you in the face.

Snowden is a psyop.

Bitcoin is a psyop.

The internet and your smart phone is a psyop.

Freedom and liberty (watch that word) is a fuckin' psyop.


After 50 years of American demolition from the inside, what don't you people get?

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 12:56 | Link to Comment Race Car Driver
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Lol ... look at all the brave anonymous junkers, squeezing their ass-cheeks together so tightly that the oxygen can't flow properly to thier fucking brains, wishing, wishing that none of this isn't so. That we can click our collective (love that word) heels together and revert right back to a comfy bedroom somewhere in Kansas. That if we just watch some more TV, all this unpleasantness will go away. There's gotta be a game on, it's furcking Christmas for cryin' out loud .... 

It's all a psyop, folks. Your job, your money, your house, your car ... all a psyop. All a celebration of Baal ... to whom you and your future has been sacrificed.


Wed, 12/25/2013 - 13:47 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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I'm with you buddy. Total psyop with this guy, it's a war between the NSA and CIA. Cui Bono? 

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 15:06 | Link to Comment Seer
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"Cui Bono?"

There's been no nuclear war because all those who are armed with nukes understand the concept of MAD.  I highly doubt that the NSA and CIA would risk the loss of everything in such a fight as this.

The most powerful element is the "status quo."  This kind of stuff really isn't good for the status quo.

Consider that everything is far more fragile that most would like to admit, and that there ARE threats to corporatations and nations via the very systems that they use to operate by.  Believing that it's all some psyop or that it's by "design" removes oneself out of the picture vis a vis complicity (you're using these systems, and by doing so you encourage their continuance, which only tends to increase their size; and with size HAS to come power).

Most of the spying is done, as it always has been, to thwart subversion.  As much as I detest it all I am not stupid enough to believe that efforts to counter subversion are totally fruitless.  The measure is impossible to tell.  If one does not like the things in one's environment then one can change to another environment: easier to relocate than to force change upon an environment that is unwilling or incapable of changing.  Plenty of places to go live in the wilderness.  And if you do not like that then you HAVE to accept dealing with the environment that you are in, on its terms.

Buckminster Fuller put it best when he said that you cannot change the existing system, that you should instead look to create a different and better system (which would displace the old/other one).

The status quo cannot be maintained by dumping the NSA and or CIA from the electronic world.  Spying has ALWAYS been about doing the "illegal" (with the intent of not being caught).

I do not endorse spying.  I am not an apologist for the NSA or the CIA.  I am not endorsing someone like Dick Cheney, with his statement that "the American way of life is not negotiable" [as well as his "deficits don't matter"].  It is what it is, and as long as you continue to use tools that POWER relies upon POWER WILL ensure that they have the upper hand in seeing to it that status quo is maintained.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 15:51 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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"Buckminster Fuller put it best when he said that you cannot change the existing system, that you should instead look to create a different and better system (which would displace the old/other one)."

Exactly.  And that is what crypto-currencies and the Deep Web — aided and abbetted by the Dark Wallet, Dark Email, Dark Phone, and Dark Text — will do, essentially turning global commerce into one big Dark Market, so far as the the powers that be are concerned.

They are going to be left in the dark, in other words, as humanity is freed to enlighten itself as never before and embark on a journey in keeping with its all but limitless potential.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 17:17 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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Less global, and more local. 

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 18:38 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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Both — i.e., glocal — such that there's little difference between communication and exchange that is around the corner and around the world.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 19:38 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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True. I was talking local commerce. 

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 17:14 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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There are other methods. What we are seeing right now is the death of capitalism, as unchecked capitalism cannot work as a future for mankind. No one got nuked because USA/USSR nukefest would have ended humanity, which isn't a great outcome. Snowden is a trick to make people think they have more power than they do, and that the future doen't need central banking, GOVT bullshit, or the other power through resource restriction. The status quo needs to go, period. Gardens in every yard, less stuff and more time, and end corporations on a large scale. Your point are good, and if you like BF, you know all this shit needs to go. 

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 18:48 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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True, free market capitalism isn't "unchecked" but is governed by a rule of law limited solely to the protection of life, liberty, and property. What is unchecked is the crony capitalism of the corporate state, especially that which grows from the rootless roots of monetary fascism, i.e., the centralized, fractional-reserve banking that is devouring our world.

That is "the status quo [that] needs to go, period."

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 19:37 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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That, and sharing is ok when people are not just moochers. 

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 20:45 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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Sharing is giving in a real sense, i.e., voluntary. 

The state is a moocher like no other, taking what it will, as it will, when it will, from whoever it can, for as long as it can.

Forces are at work to be done with it.

In the meantime, it can kiss my ass.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 21:44 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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The state is a moocher like no other, taking what it will, as it will, when it will, from whoever it can, for as long as it can.


Wed, 12/25/2013 - 14:07 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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The Flock Owners must keep track of their Sheep. The Sheep are the source of their wealth. It's always been that way.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 15:09 | Link to Comment Seer
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Need to tack this one on the door and call it good!  As long as one is willing to follow then one is willing to bleed for a/the leader(s).

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 15:43 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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The "killer ap" (how's that for a dual meaning?) for smart phones is keep track of one's sheep.  The Sheep fight to see which one gets the newest, most capable tracking device.  The "smartest" ones even give up much of their fodder so they can be tracked better than their fellow sheep.  

It's sobering to watch sheep at the slaughterhouse chutes fighting and crowding to be first in the queue.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 13:38 | Link to Comment chemystical
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Remove the word "moron from your first sentence", and remove the 2nd person pronoun from the last and the stick you poked into the cage might not have irked the animal inside. 

What about a 3rd person pronoun!  We, as in "we're all in this togther..."

What you say must be considered.  You'd have few denouncers if you said that the MSM was captive.  Paradox and cognitive dissonace warning...

So why would a captive media spill the beans on its benefactor?

I've written a few times herein that the massive complex of buildings in UT could be empty shells for all we know.  We've been told (by the MSM) that they house the NSA's data gathering operation and that they record every single thing you think, say, or do, and that there massive computational power and programming expertise can connect you and your current and future friends.  Some folks have modified their behavior after hearing that, and if that was the NSA's mission in "leaking" this, then mission accomplished.

Few here would deny that false flags etc exist or that the FBI, for example, plants stooges or witting infiltrators.  They just don't want to believe that Snowden could be a plant or stooge.

Cui bono?  We've been told that we're spied on 24/7, and yet I do not see any pitchforks or torches in DC.   I doubt they're testing the limits of the enemy's perimeter.  They already know that we have no perimeter.   We simply are told the way that it will be.  Adding a justification for change was once requisite, but justification is a now a relic.  (See Congress and 1600 Pennsylvania Ave).  We acquiesce.  We comply. 

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 14:47 | Link to Comment Race Car Driver
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> We simply are told the way that it will be.

And that's Snowjob's, er ... job.

Good post.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 15:22 | Link to Comment Seer
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"They just don't want to believe that Snowden could be a plant or stooge."

With modifier like this than one can run wild in any direction.

I'm no fan of saying that something is NOT possible, as that is poor risk assessment practice.  I instead judge things based on probability.

Does it really matter if Snowden is or isn't a plant, or a tool?  What is really going to change either way?

The reality is is that we have a very fragile and overly-complex system and that it relies on quantifiable and finite resources, resources that are in decline.  ALL SYSTEMS FAIL.  What matters is how long they can operate, and those who have been commissioned with the higher levels of pushing the time envolope are going to do whatever they can to ensure that it keeps going.  Surprised?  This can only occur through some complex sets of conspiracies?

Things continue along because that's the way it's always went!  There are NO "solutions" because nothing can be made permanent.

Did the common folks/laborers on Easter Island start wondering whether there was a conspiracy to wipe them all out as they neared the end of their civilization?  Yeah, they had noble, good "leaders" for a LONG time, and then, magically, it all went bad?  No, it wasn't the 'leaders" who fucked them up, rather, it was the premise of their society, from which ALL operated.  It was OK to topple tree after tree and to grow and grow their populations.  Without addressing the premise of perpetual growth in a finite environment they were doomed from the very start.

The protecton of "property rights" demands that their be enforcement powers.  The power invested in enforcement actions is power that is NOT producing anything, in which case "protection" itself eats from the available resources.  Scale it all up with larger populations and shrinking resources and we tighten the noose around our own necks.

Yeah, avoid looking in the mirror...

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 00:36 | Link to Comment Prometheus418
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Agreed.  I don't post much these days, but it's not for fear of the NSA.  

I poked that bear until my arms were tired, and then realized it was just a pile of dirty laundry in a cave.

Technology is amazing for all sorts of reasons, and in all kinds of ways- but I'm close to (not at) the leading edge, and it's just not as advanced as people think it is.  I know folks who complain that their kids send over 10,000 text messages a month, and when you multiply that by some double-digit percentage of 300+ million, monitoring texting in the US alone will choke anyone trying to read it all.

When you add voice, video and pictures to that mix, it really becomes impressive.  Even the smartest and most relentless searches, on the most powerful hardware, will die of exhaustion sorting through an endless sea of lolz and funniest cat evah videos.  Add that to the fact that government workers tend to be the lowest common denominator, and there's still a reasonable chance that you could call the DHS or NSA directly to report an impending terrorist action, and have your report lost on someone's desk.

The signal to noise ratio on the internet is abysmal, and while that's annoying on an individual level, it's actually pretty ok in terms of keeping the system free.  What Snowden claims the NSA can do is akin to him claiming that NASA can perform laser eye surgery on anyone at any time from a base on the moon- but the reality is that even though NASA has plenty of very bright folks doing all kinds of super-nerd things, they just aren't there yet, and perhaps never will be.

When they set the Snowden rabbit running, they were counting on one crucial thing- those who are worried about privacy only know what they themselves are doing.  I recieve about 30 e-mails a day, give or take, and probably 25 of those are either public knowledge or outright spam.  I reply to two or three of them, on average.  I probably recieve and initiate 6-10 calls a day, and more or less all of them are completely benign and shorter than five minutes.  Then there's maybe thirty or fourty distinct page views a day online.  All in all, you could sum up my on-line behavior in a one-page daily digest that was very easy to read with very little trouble.  And that's how it works- you're probably not much different.  You may differ in areas, but no one has time to do thousands of things of consequence every day, so those differences are bound to be trivial in the grand scheme of things.  

Why that matters is in how you think about spying.  You know that someone who was devoted to uncovering the story of you could do it if they really cared- but unless you're a major world player that's not how it works.  All those relatively simple stories weave a tapestry woven of regular life pockmarked with tiny blind alleys where minor sins raise thousands of red flags over the entire cloth.  It's not just terrorists who use TOR or PGP- there's no reason why a pothead looking for a nickel bag or a guy cheating on his wife couldn't and wouldn't use it as well.  Hell- there are probably people who use stupid levels of encryption to browse celebrity gossip columns and recipes just because they can.  "They" can't unravel all that shit, it's just simply and literally impossible.  So, they find a little now and then, through accident or intent, and make a big show of it.  

The sad truth is that you and I are most likely very boring.  Any one of us could get up to some mischief, given a hard enough push, but all it takes is a splashy news story followed by a periodic reminder to get most folks to clam up tight and police themselves because they think Big Brother can and is watching them personally, so most of us never even make the first step towards becoming a troublemaker.

If you don't believe me, look at how many of the "foiled terrorist plots" since 11-Sept-2001 have involved explosives supplied by the FBI.  If you look carefully, you'll see the only way our government can catch a terrorist is if they make one themselves.

Still not convinced?  Check out mass shooters, and see if you can figure out how many of them announced their intentions publicly before they went out gunning for people.  You'd think that if the NSA was all that and a bag of chips, they'd send out a couple of uniformed beat cops to check on things when people declare on Facebook that they're going to shoot up a school, right?

I spent a lot of time looking for exit doors.  Truth be told, I don't even like most people well enough to play a jaunty patriotic tune and die for God and country.  I don't need to blow up a government building or shoot a cop to show that I want to be free- I just want to quietly slip out the side exit before the shit even starts.  Surprisingly enough, those doors are all over the place.  Most of the time, you're as free as you think you are, and as long as you're willing to withhold your consent and deny others claims that they are allowed to take your rights without freaking out and scaring the folks around you, TPTB can't touch you.  You can say and do as you like, and nobody will do a thing to stop you.

And that includes what you say and do online- but more so.  Very few people annoy their neighbors because they were typing things too loud, and at the end of the day, law enforcement at every level is still dependant on people who "see something, say something."  Even when they catch someone doing something due to Facebook, it's because that person's Aunt Matilda saw something posted that she didn't like and reported it- not because some NSA Carnivore parsed it and flagged it in time.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 05:14 | Link to Comment trader1
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thanks for the sanity check.

great post.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 13:56 | Link to Comment chemystical
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Do you mean that in the movie "Network" when Albert Finney's character was permitted by the conglomerate to shout out "I'm mad as Hell and I'm not going to take it anymore"...he was just a useful idiot?

Ever see Python's "Life Of Brian"?   The character Brian is a contemporary of Jesus.  He's followed around by tens then hundreds of sheepish folks. 

One morning he awakes and steps outside and finds thousands of followers massed and waiting for him.  They clamor for him to impart some of his wisdom.  He tells them to all go home, and that what he thinks doesn't matter in the least.  They repeat back to him everything he says.  "No, no , no!  You must think for yourselves!", he tells them.

They all repeat back, "We must think for ourselves."  Then the pregnant pause after which they clamor, "Tell us more!  Tell us more!" 

Eyes wide open.


Wed, 12/25/2013 - 15:00 | Link to Comment Loose Caboose
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That's Peter Finch - not Albert Finney.  He won a posthumous oscar for it as well.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 15:11 | Link to Comment bigrooster
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@Race Car Driver

Do you work for the NSA you douche bag?

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 19:00 | Link to Comment Race Car Driver
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No ... that would be Snowden. He works/worked for the spooks - not me.

But I understand he's a hero now and mouth-breathers like you need heros. I musta made you angry with my insolence. My sincere apologies.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 19:11 | Link to Comment starfcker
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We make remarks on this blog, imploring someone to do something, and this man does something huge, (at great personal peril) and that's not good enough? at least according to the he-men hiding behind little cartoon avatars right here on ZH. grow up guys. 

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 19:26 | Link to Comment mc225
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i agree with you. it looks like the odds are that snowden is a psy-op.



Wed, 12/25/2013 - 22:25 | Link to Comment i-dog
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I also agree with you. 'Snowden' is most definitely a psyop. The usual Jesuit/Hegelian 'Problem...Reaction...Solution' type.

Problem: Announce to the world that the US government is spying on everything done by everyone in every country.

Reaction: "Say it aln't so! They can't do that! It's rude! It's unconstitutional! Make them stop!"

Solution: Move oversight of the spying operation from the US government to an "independent" [] body that will ensure "fairness" and "transparency".

The public will lap it up. "Mission Accomplished" ... LOL.

There is no fucking way that that massive [US taxpayer-funded] data centre in Utah will be shut down - or that its links to all social and financial media will be severed. The spying will go on, and it will continue to be controlled ... by and for the global Khazarian politburo.

It was always intended to be that way.

I'm thoroughly disgusted to see the ZH voting on your post and the one to which you replied. Critical thinking is dead.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 23:58 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Hmm, the case can be made that "Race Car Driver" is also a Psyop!

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 03:20 | Link to Comment malek
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You forgot:

RCD is a psyop.

"Or you take the blue pill, and believe whatever you want to believe..."

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 13:12 | Link to Comment suicidalpsychologist
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This man is a true patriot!  God bless him.

the irony being that he probably doenst even believe in god and probably laughed at christians and mocked them his whole life.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 14:53 | Link to Comment Spanky
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And your point is?

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 18:12 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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...why can't I down vote this blithering idiot??? -1 billion

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 19:06 | Link to Comment Race Car Driver
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Because he started his post with italics ... it's a ZH bug.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 22:20 | Link to Comment i-dog
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It can still be done...I gave him a -1 for 'relevance'.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 15:15 | Link to Comment just-my-opinion
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The asteroid is gonna hit the atlantic ocean an the wave will take most of you out....LOL

I hate to say it but the FED.....DiD us all in

Thats why I drink

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 15:50 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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The Fed, like Barry except higher up, is just tool.  Look to those that own and control them.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 22:38 | Link to Comment acetinker
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Yes, but if you're in the US, it's OUR tool!  We, the serfs, will probably never be able to untangle the web and reveal the real masters.  However, we can make it so uncomfortable for their minions that they won't be able to recruit new minions.  Then, it's game over, for the "masters".

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 23:49 | Link to Comment AngelEyes00
AngelEyes00's picture on last day of bond market before Xmas.

2.98 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The high for the day was 2.99

In New Year will it breach 3?

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 10:21 | Link to Comment stant
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Yes he is! Thank you mr snowden

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 10:29 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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The powers that be want disillusioned, dispirited, dehumanized drones for their slave world.  Well done, Mr Snowden. Thank you and Merry Christmas for fighting for our vanishing freedoms. Live long and prosper.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 12:33 | Link to Comment Race Car Driver
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> Live long and prosper.

Lol ... nanu nanu.

My junk, tard.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 13:44 | Link to Comment squib
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It's 'nanoo nanoo' , you shitfuk.

(The urban dictionary has a fun definition of it)

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 10:27 | Link to Comment blindman
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‘Courage is Contagious’: Glenn Greenwald electrifies Chicago crowd speaking on Snowden, journalism and the NSA
Adam Horowitz on June 29, 2013

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 10:40 | Link to Comment blindman
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Arlo Guthrie: The Pause of Mr Clause

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 00:03 | Link to Comment chemystical
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Greenwald and Horowitz.  Where have I heard those names before?  Sounds like Blankfein, Yellen, Bernanke, Emmanuel, Soros, Kristol, et al.  Oy the cohencidence.

btw where did Greenwald practice after he got his JD?  Oh yeah, Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen and Katz.

Why is it that we so often see the same names on both sides of the fence?  Grossly disproportionately so.  Didn't Lenin say something about leading the opposition?  Did someone say "false dichotomy"?  Oh, the dichotomy is real, but its true nature can never be fully expressed when the expressors play both sides.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 00:16 | Link to Comment blindman
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follow the money and
end the fed !
i suspect the money in china, russia and everywhere else
is the same same thing so to speak. we see shadows of
money, the game for public consumption, literally.
so it is worse than suspected but at the same time
better due to the universal requirement for balance so long
as the individual does not become captured by illusion
in the great hall of mirrors.
peace on earth and good will ....
still, courage is contagious and the media are lap dogs
or has been said a courtier press!
when your courage is requested to be applied toward political
ends there you have to be curious and watchful for the worm

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:37 | Link to Comment monopoly
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God Bless him and a very Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all here and especially to Zero Hedge, Mr. Tyler Durden and staff who have worked so hard every single day to bring us the truth. 

Are they always right, of course not, but I come here to seek the truth and just think how empty it would be on the web without Zero Hedge. 

A Blessed Day to All.


Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:44 | Link to Comment Yes We Can. But...
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It would be interesting to hear of what pressures, if any, may have been brought to bear against ZH as it has spoken freely these past years.... Tyler?

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 12:02 | Link to Comment noless
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They've had to change countries and face courts, add a policy on racism, and a significant portion of the archives are no longer viewable, not sure what else, but that's the story i remember.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 12:44 | Link to Comment Rafferty
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That's right, the archives have been selctively purged.  Would love to know what kind ......well actually I do know what kind of stuff got purged.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment trader1
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the archives are most definitely viewable...

go to google, type in the name of any poster surround by " " and then add the following string

click search

for example,

About 71,200 results 


my read:

ZH is periodically moving content to an archive environment, which is not searchable via the primary web front-end environment.  

whether that's by design, accident, or if ZH doesn't want to spend money on adding some additional code to their website, i leave to the delusional masses to ponder...

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 13:44 | Link to Comment janus
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i agree with what you're here implyin, trader...but, as far as janus is concerned, it's probably a good thing -- i tend to say lots for 'effect'; sometimes i say things i don't necessarily agree with, again, for effect...besides all this, this is a club.  gotta join to get the benefits.

also, i wanted to thank you for your comments from a post a week or so ago...thought too much time had elapsed to reply on the thread (i'm often indisposed for several days at a spell).  nevertheless, i did think carefully about what you said.  

but, for the time-being, i'm gonna send a janus holiday greeting to Snowden...gettin lathered up for the enterprise as we 'speak'...mrs. janus has magnanimously permitted janus to begin poundin the brewskis very early.  the deal is: if i have to manage your cwazy cajun mother on Christmas, for several interminable hours on end, 8 to 12 beers will constitute an absolute minimum for to better buffett the assaults she continually launches against my delicate equinamity.

but being the good sport that i am, i will both defeat and forgive the wiley women beset against me on all sides...tis the season.

love is blind/

and you're far too kind/

don't ever let it show,



Wed, 12/25/2013 - 13:53 | Link to Comment blindman
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James Booker - That's Life
merry christmas.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 15:00 | Link to Comment janus
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i've been meaning to touch-base with you for a while...owed you some lyrics -- had to shelve the project (bigger fish to fry and all).

Merry Everything! back at ya!

ya know, blind-man, boston ain't near so far from the big apple as alabama was -- back when janus was planted down dixie-ways, back when we first made friends.

here lately, i'm of a mind to encourage -- so far as i'm able -- tthat we (some of us at least) move 'this' from the digital realm to the more multi-dimensioned variety; that is to say, we need some physical fight and greet and all.  say things in private we wouldn't online and such...

every band of revolutionaries need their own green dragon tavern...hell, it don't have to be in boston -- janus just figured there's some symmetry to the first and second America revolution beginning in bean-town (we artists luv us some symmetry).

but if y'all insist on the big apple (i know there's more of you down there)...janus will hop on a 15 dollar bus, ready, willing and able to do my part & help formalize operation mayhem.

but, new york? cess of swill and every foul spirit...sin city, as it were.  but i've never been (except passing through); waiting for a proper invitation...janus has some fantasy of his appian-way-type entrance into the world's capital. i intend on actualizing my vision.

(i sometimes wonder if Tyler misses ms. singer...and what's become of her)

and so this is revolution...sacrifices must be made -- janus may have to make way down new yawk ways; and besides, on the other side, there's a brand new day:

all the blessings of God to you and your lovely family in the comming year, blindman.


and it seems like/

and it feels like/

a brand new day,


Wed, 12/25/2013 - 20:26 | Link to Comment blindman
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peace and good will ..!

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 14:05 | Link to Comment janus
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whew!  i tried your trick, trader1...and i found very little in the way of janus posts.  i did, however, note the increasingly frequent use of 'janus' among the cogniceti...this is as it should be.

and now they've named a lone-wolf ferreting-out-op after ole janus....janus is more than flattered.

and i'll also say this, cogniceti, you bitchez bettah be reading (and i know that you are); but you best recognize one thing above all others -- there is but one JANUS; and that's, again, as it should be.

you cogniceti are dealing with something you do not understand -- but i invite you to continue sum me, distill me, tack me against a wall...see if you can guess what's commin next.  

i double-dog-dares ya!

make that a 3ripple dog-dare,


Wed, 12/25/2013 - 14:09 | Link to Comment trader1
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merry xmas mr. and mrs. janus!

we started with champagne

then moved on to some baby back ribs and some cru bourgeois

now getting started on the chocolate mousse


nice tune, and i raise you one:

Crazy how it feels tonight 
Crazy how you make it all alright love 
You crush me with the things you do 
I do for you anything too 
Sitting smoking feeling high 
In this moment it feels so right 
Lovely lady 
I am at your feet 
God I want you so badly 
I wonder this 
Could tomorrow be 
So wondrous as you there sleeping 
Let's go drive 'till morning comes 
Watch the sunrise to fill our souls up 
Drink some wine 'till we get drunk 

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 15:42 | Link to Comment janus
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nice, trader1...remind me someday to tell you of my meeting with dave; back when he was selling 'remember 2 things' out the back of a van in tuscaloosa, al.  even back then, mr. matthews was quite the pussy magnet.  this was well-past the pussy-fever normally accorded singers of rock&roll...dave had it -- and they wanted it.

as for janus, my sense is that i'm gonna make it -- this thing i'm working on is of legitimate merit.  that being said, there's some celebrities i'd like to some day are a few; and in no particular order.

jack white.

will ferrell and his gang.

the boston boys (damon, afleck, walberg)

dave chappell.

bill cosby.

i used to wanna meet woody allen...but i'm now rather repulsed -- cannot see janus there extending a brotherly hand -- the sinister truth is far too compelling, mr. allen...all that being said, i'll probably continue to watch his movies.

lots of scientists too numerous to name.

jimmy carter.

bill clinton.

henry kissenger.

some others better best left unnammed.

greydon carter.

louis lapham.

george bush sr. & jr.

both popes.

phillip roth.

jeff twiddy.

ryan adams.

robert duval.

jack nicholson.

malcolm gladwell.

wes anderson.

scorcese (sp? you fuckin WOPs with your vowell-laced names).

a bunch a other film-makers of various capacities.



david byrne.

david bowie.

mick jagger.

paul mccartney.

rush limbaugh.

turd blossam.

jennifer lawerence (whom i intend on impregnating; you're welcome, jennifer)...but let's see those locks again, sunshine.

zoe dechanelle

there's a few female singers who could do well with some private janus-time -- but intercourse doesn't always involve 'intercourse'.  janus is an artist when it comes to love-making; so's he needs a proper canvas.

lesbians, for sure; great song, though.


i'm forgetting several others; it would take too much time...& time waits for no man:

okay, one more fore i go fetch beer # 3.

(that's a personal theme-song from long-ago janus)

and if you give me weed/

whites & wine/

and you show me a sign/

i'll be willin/

to be movin,






Wed, 12/25/2013 - 18:20 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
Wed, 12/25/2013 - 20:28 | Link to Comment janus
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double cheers!

by that song, i reckon you've got a sense of the janus-sensibility...

so's, i've got something rare and special for ya:


Wed, 12/25/2013 - 22:23 | Link to Comment mvsjcl
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+1 for Philip Roth. Man's got a way with words.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 00:13 | Link to Comment Big Boss Man
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I worked in a building in Manhattan one night, (tradesman I am/was), and as an elevator door opened there stood Robert MacNamara,of LBJ regime fame. (with two flunkie bodyguards). 

I saw who was in the car, backed out, spit on the floor and told him I hoped it went straight down to Hell.

He just looked down at the floor.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 10:31 | Link to Comment caShOnlY
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sad when a truly honest man is driven from his country.    Give me liberty or give me death.

(or just give me a new Chevy truck on my signature, some credit cards, American idol and call me "Patriot")  

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:22 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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satoshi is no Edward Snowden, if he were, I would have infinity more respect/trust for bitcoin

CH1 will claim that I am a 'hater' of bitcoin because I demand satoshi come out of hiding and tell the world why his system is better than the Rothschilds sysem of debt slavery....satoshi should act more like Mr Snowden if he wants his invisible coins to be trusted

CH1 claims bitcoin will kill the banking cartel when in fact our 'monetary system' was designed to collapse upon itself from day one..

bitcoin is a useful tool for TPTB, as they must blame their failed debt slavery/monetary system on anybody/anything but themselves

Happy Holidays!~!



Wed, 12/25/2013 - 15:13 | Link to Comment Spanky
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Not to put too fine a point on it, but "transparency" is of the utmost importance here... Trust? Not so much.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 17:37 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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satoshi=Rothchild front. BC will set the standard where people accept the idea, the JPM or the Fed releases a GOVT version of Bitcoin. The goal is to keep it illegitimate, and when demand is created, offer a legitimate one. Look at Ultrich from Slik Road, who is a GOVT front. What idiot raises that type of money, gets that stupid with hit jobs, then goes to THE SAN FRANCISCO LIBRARY to log into his global E-bay? These things are to test and set the next version of fiat. BC is a great idea, but the shanks have a plan to exploit it. 

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 21:44 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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fonestar, you missed this bait? You're slippin....

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:43 | Link to Comment Seer
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Thomas Paine, one of history's most important people, was hated by several govts.

BTW - Does that new Chevy truck come with a DURAMAX? </sarc>

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment IndyPat
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Goodstuff that!

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 10:32 | Link to Comment beavertails
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Merry XMAS to you too Mr. Snowden.  You made the world a better place.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 10:30 | Link to Comment FreeNewEnergy
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Just posted the video to my blog. Spread the word.

We are the many. They are the few.

"We must all hang together, or most assuredly, we will hang separately." - Ben Franklin

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 10:41 | Link to Comment nickels
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Merry Christmas to all- except Dick Cheney. A pox on him and his band of traitors.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:14 | Link to Comment EhKnowKneeMass
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And pox and pus

to Oblameo

to Bush

to Clinton

to Raygun

And to ....

Bernanke and Gellin



Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:15 | Link to Comment EhKnowKneeMass
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daily double... deleted.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 10:33 | Link to Comment geewhiz
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I know the NSA prefers to spy than ask how I feel about them, let me save them the trouble of analysis. To all the employees of the NSA, eat shit and don't have a merry christmas. We have to offer these little sentiments publicly while we still can.

To zh'ers, NSA trolls excluded, have a Merry Christmas.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 10:37 | Link to Comment Chupacabra-322
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Your a class act & an global Hero. Thank you for protecting privacy, freedom & liberty. And, most importantly speaking truth to power & not being afraid of Criminal Global Governments of the world.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 10:37 | Link to Comment wisehiney
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The Christmas Spirit makes me believe that we shall somehow prevail. May your statue/monument gaze forever over the reflecting pool of the second coming of America.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 10:43 | Link to Comment jimcg
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Unfortunately, the Statism will continue...because we live in a world of morons and fools. Shop Baby!!


Wed, 12/25/2013 - 10:47 | Link to Comment justsayin2u
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Merry Christmas Mr Snowden.  Thank you for the sacrifice you made for all of us.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:00 | Link to Comment nmewn
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My sentiments exactly.

Merry Christmas Ed, a big time thanks for turning on the light of truth so we could all see these cockroaches scurrying around looking for the dark.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 10:48 | Link to Comment Eugend66
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Merry Christmas, Ed!


Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:00 | Link to Comment DOGGONE
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America marches to
The Public Be Suckered

All those guys in the ground at Arlington and elsewhere HAVE ALLOWED US TO DO SO MUCH BETTER.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:11 | Link to Comment suicidalpsychologist
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this moron is a weak minded attention whore who got served in terms of attention given to him... 99.9% of the world population dont give a fuck about him or what he "revealed" everyone alreayd knew ; but naive hipsters in need of an idealistic role model to follow. There is no mass surveillance anyway, anyone with a brain knows it, it's impossible, it's just a fantasm for rich first world kids in need of some lost cause to "fight" for behind their computer screen, and the only "surveillance" that is made is to manipulate people's minds in order to sell them crap. What he did was ultimately useless and it was a dumb, suicidal move on his part that wont change anything in the grand scheme of things. Classic of the insecure paper pusher who watched too much tv and wanted to be part of the big show. Again, in the end it wont change anything in the course of things, smarter animals in the human specie will keep preying on dumber animals, people. He wont change how nature designed us.


Now probably going to make a living selling books telling shit nobody but his nerdy dumb followers really care about and that wont change shit either. But he s gonna milk them to insure his own survival tho, surfing on the wave of their stupidity. Morons.

He s lucky he s still alive tho, being toyed  with by all the big fishes who use him like the little bitch he is whatever the way he portrays himself. In the end he just left a boss to submit to another one. Good luck ratting on the russians tho. Probably what he needed, a real man to teach him how things in the male world work.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:24 | Link to Comment markar
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"Probably what he needed, a real man to teach him how things in the male world work."


Lyndsey Graham, is that you?

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:39 | Link to Comment flapdoodle
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Keith, is that you?

Maybe you better head back to HQ and enjoy your "Enterprise Bridge" COM center while you can... remind me again how many trrrst plots have been broken up by the NSA spying?

Was that Zero you said?

How any extra Boeing defense contracts with Brazil did the extra intel produce again?

The pathetic truth is that the whole NSA overreach was done by mediocre civil servants completely oblivious as to its effect. Hannah Arendt's "banality of evil" writ large...

May God bless Edward Snowden and keep him safe...

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 15:28 | Link to Comment Spanky
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For Hannah...

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:46 | Link to Comment eddiebe
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Hey suicidal, hurry and get it over with!

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:58 | Link to Comment cherry picker
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I guess you work for the NSA and are worried about your job security now that ui benefits are being cut.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 12:08 | Link to Comment drendebe10
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Csn i have dome of what u been smokin?

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment resurger
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MDB is better

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:07 | Link to Comment CharmaChameleon
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I'm quite sure I heard a whole lot of both Blue and Red politicians condemn Edward Snowden as a traitor a few months ago. I'll pick just one to ask, "Mr. Boehner, precisely toward whom were Mr. Snowden's actions treasonous?"

Now it seems the thing to do would be wait for word from the Speaker of the House... No. Guess not.

Merry Christmas.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 12:16 | Link to Comment drendebe10
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SFB Boner is a baboob buffoon.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:06 | Link to Comment NoelConfidence
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Merry Christmas Mr. Snowden!


Thank you!

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:09 | Link to Comment Save_America1st
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I sure hope this guy isn't just being used against us as some kind of next generation "Emmanuel Goldstein" now that Bin Laden is "officially" dead. 

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:14 | Link to Comment smacker
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Video not available in the UK. Brits, use this URL to view it:

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 12:16 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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After NSA demise, a world without copyright would be a nice place.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 12:19 | Link to Comment Atoyota
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Thx, RU #4 has the video blocked on youtube (in the USA)

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 14:46 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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Thank you, smacker. I wanted very much to see that. 

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:17 | Link to Comment Dr. Gonzo
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I wish we had intellectuals and men of principle with guts like Edward Snowden to lead us...Instead we have jackals, scoundrels, cowards, and whores like Boehner, Reid, Pelosi, Obama... I hope they all get what's coming to them.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:49 | Link to Comment Seer
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Only sheep need "leaders," quit being a sheep, stop asking that there even be "leaders." (politicians have ALWAYS been whores- wake up!)

When I was young an odd thought came through my head (well, it happens a lot) that I never wanted to be a "leader" that I instead wanted to be a "guider."  Folks should have enough knowledge to NOT follow others (who claim to be "leaders") and not too much such that they believe that they ARE "leaders."

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment WarPony
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I downed you simply because "leaders" brought us this FREE Republic. I like your thoughts about guiders but not everyone can be so gifted. If only it could be so.

Merry Christmas Pitches!!

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 14:23 | Link to Comment Seer
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"I downed you simply because "leaders" brought us this FREE Republic."

Natives were here and free a LONG time before the commissioned merchantilists landed on these shores.

It was more about seeking wealth than on ideology.  Ben Franklin was solidly British until it became clear that he was going to end up on the wrong side of things. And, well, is there really any need to point out that the "leaders" had no problems with slavery?

Never underestimate the ability of those of power to craft storylines to maintain their power.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 14:38 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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"FREE" as in Alex Hamilton and friends were then free to rustle some of George III's sheep.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 13:21 | Link to Comment Dr. Gonzo
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I wrote "wish".  Everyone knows there are no intellectals left in this country since they ask questions and are provocative... Too dangerous for the type of artifical, virtual system that's been forced on us... and the politicians and judges have long been purchased by the money powerz. What else is new? This is why conscious aware people save in gold and silver. They want something that is real and honest and can't be fucked with by whores and liars of this ilk that carefully manufacture their consent to govern... since no one would give it to them without the use of force or coersion. They could not have done what they have done to us if gold and silver were safe in the hands of the people... and this is exactly why they swindled it from us. Now we are a bunch of landless peasants and they control the means of production and have granted themselves the power to create our money from thin air and charge us interest and taxes on it. Prepare to keep getting ass fucked for eternity if you give them consent to spy and keep files on everyone. We know they don't spy to protect us. They spy on us so they don't lose everything they've stolen from us. These are the same types of sociopaths that make decisions to engage in World Wars and kill off a billion or 2 peasants and chalk it up to a necessary Central Planning decision so turning on tuning in and dropping out is probably the best favor you can do yourself. 

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 13:46 | Link to Comment IndyPat
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HST would be proud of that comment.
Cheers and Merry Christmas

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 14:28 | Link to Comment Seer
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"These are the same types of sociopaths that make decisions to engage in World Wars and kill off a billion or 2 peasants and chalk it up to a necessary Central Planning decision so turning on tuning in and dropping out is probably the best favor you can do yourself. "

You know how it reads: all powers are derrived from the People... the "central planners" only get away with it via the complicity of their peoples.  The sociopaths will always exist, best to not present any rings of power for them to grab: individuals should never give up their power (I'd taken a slap at old Ben Franklin above, but his warning about giving up freedoms for security are very applicable- don't give up your powers for some notion of "freedom" and or "security.").

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 14:23 | Link to Comment TORNasunder
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TPTB identifies and suppresses leaders from early on. This is one of the objectives of tiering in schools. None of our politicians are leaders, they are puppets and spokespersons.

Leadership is a trait that goes back to mans tribal roots. And that model implies that leaders are few and followers are many. This is one of the traits that has helped Homo sapiens be so successful.

All men should be free. And true leaders would encourage those who follow them to blaze their own trails. But the majority want/seek direction. It will take thousands of years for this trait to change.

Therefore we need those who are leaders to step up. We need leaders who actually care about humanity. We need persons of character, conviction, and courage. We need people motivated altruistically, not by greed, or the lust for power and control.

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 14:27 | Link to Comment Seer
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Um... "leaders" require "followers."

"All men should be free."

I'm curious, can a follower be free?

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 17:33 | Link to Comment mumbo.jumbo
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I wish we had intellectuals and men of principle with guts like Edward Snowden to lead us.


you got that exactly backwards: the majority of the masses alive today are this retarded; they follow the crooks instead of the men of principle.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 09:10 | Link to Comment DaddyO
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you got that exactly backwards: the majority of the masses alive today are this retarded; they follow the crooks instead of the men of principle.

Because the polls figured out what it would cost to keep the masses content and as long as the payouts continue no WalMarts will be harmed...



Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:19 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Merry Xmas Ed,

If the American people would only wake from there slumber, this is what needs to be revoked before your message becomes a reality?

By the way it just passed the Senate like it did in December 2011 awaiting the President's signature -which we know will get done given his psychological state.
Wed, 12/25/2013 - 11:49 | Link to Comment Seer
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Pretty clear that it's the rich boy's club trying to protect their assess...

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