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Guest Post: Obamacare’s Many Negative Side-Effects Should Surprise No One

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Submitted by Jordan Bruneau via the Ludwig von Mises Institute,

Even left liberals are coming to realize that Obamacare is fatally flawed. Perhaps this is because fewer people will be insured at the end of the year, under Obamacare, than at the beginning of the year as insurers are forced to drop coverage. Stories of such cancellations to cancer-stricken children certainly don’t help matters. For a program whose expressed purpose is to bring insurance to more people, this irony seems even too much for the interventionists to stomach.

Obamacare’s negative effects, however, are simply a microcosm of government policy in general. Virtually all well-intended (assuming they are in fact well-intended) government policies bring negative unintended consequences that hurt the very people they intend to serve. The prevalence of this paradox, called iatrogenics (originally used in the medical context to refer to doctors’ actions that hurt patients), should give pause to those who favor government intervention to solve societal problems.

Take rent control policies, for example, intended to make housing more accessible to those with lower incomes. In reality these policies shrink the amount of available housing because potential landlords have less incentive to rent out, and developers have less incentive to build new, units. As a result, less housing is available for those with lower incomes. Just look at the apartment shortage in New York or San Francisco, the two cities with the most stringent rent-control policies, for proof.

This process of iatrogenics also exists in financial regulation. Polemicist Nassim Taleb has illustrated how increased financial regulation intended to prevent another financial crisis has actually made one more likely. Regulations entrust the fate of the financial system to a handful of big banks because they are the only ones who can afford to comply with them. This consolidation of power among the big banks makes the financial system riskier because if one of these few banks fails the damage will be much greater to the economy than from the failure of one small bank among many. “These attempts to eliminate the business cycle,” says Taleb, “lead to the mother of all fragilities.”

In terms of protecting society’s most economically disadvantaged, sociologist Charles Murray chronicles, most recently in his bestseller Coming Apart, how the federal government’s war on poverty paradoxically hurts the poor. He explains that though welfare benefits are well intentioned, what they in effect do is pay people to stay poor, hurting the very people they intend to help. These misaligned incentives are a leading reason why $15 trillion in welfare spending over the past 50 years has perversely resulted in a 50-year-high poverty rate of 15.1 percent.

Those currently advocating for a raise of the minimum wage should first examine its iatrogenic history of bringing about negative unintended consequences to the very low wage people it intends to help. Minimum wage increases actually hurt low wage earners because business owners lay off staff and cut back on hours to try to recoup their losses from such mandated wage increases. This leaves those with a tenuous grasp on the labor market in an even more precarious position. “Unfortunately, the real minimum wage is always zero, regardless of the laws,” says economist Thomas Sowell, “and that is the wage that many workers receive in the wake of the creation or escalation of a government-mandated minimum wage, because they either lose their jobs or fail to find jobs.”

Of course it’s not only left liberal policies that generate negative unintended consequences that hurt the very people they’re intended to help, but also conservative ones like the war on drugs and the war on terror.

The war on drugs intends to help drug-blighted communities by enacting and enforcing strict penalties on drug use. What it in effect does is hurt these communities by making criminals out of a significant portion of its inhabitants. Drug users now make up nearly 25 percent of federal and state prison inmates, many of whom go in for simple possessions and come out hardened criminals wreaking untold damage on their communities. Even those who do not run afoul with the law again face a lifetime of job and social struggles with a criminal record attached to their name.

The same iatrogenic story exists in the war on terror, which intends to keep us safe by waging a multipronged offensive against potential terrorists and the geographies they may inhabit. Unfortunately, as former CIA intelligence officer Michael Scheuer has illustrated, some of these prongs, such as aggressive drone warfare and support for apostate regimes, actually fan the flames of US hatred making us less safe. “It’s American policy that enrages al-Qaeda,” says Scheuer, “not American culture and society.”

Government intervention, no matter what its form or intention, causes iatrogenics — unintended negative consequences that hurt the very people they’re intended to help. Nowhere is this better exemplified than with Obamacare, a policy intended to bring insurance to all that has in effect taken it away from many. Perhaps the growing coalition of people recognizing this paradox will take this revelation and apply it to other policy arenas as well. For the affected classes, we can only hope.


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Thu, 12/26/2013 - 19:32 | 4277928 wisehiney
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Whether you want your cancer, you will keep your cancer.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 19:33 | 4277934 90's Child
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“If ObamaCare had been fully implemented when I caught cancer, I'd be dead.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 19:41 | 4277953 economics9698
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The whole idea of government intervention is to sell shit to the peasants that they don’t need and make a profit for the top 0.01%.  The fact that more people do not recognize a con game when they see it is a testament to our education system, and the natural lack of intellectual curiosity and laziness of people in general.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:15 | 4278014 max2205
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Call me when BenYellen can print pills

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 04:57 | 4278655 malikai
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For all who haven't yet read it, check out 'Seeing Like a State' by James Scott.

It covers this subject in great detail.

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 07:01 | 4278694 negative rates
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The insurance co's are more of a problem than a solution. They make promises, sign contracts, collect the money, instruct the law, and then litigate to keep from paying on a legitamate claims. All forms of insurance practice this like a religion unless YOU prevent them.

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 09:32 | 4278805 Truthseeker2
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Obamacare: Ongoing Disaster With No End In Sight


Fri, 12/27/2013 - 09:40 | 4278820 WordSmith2013
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A Must Read!


Obamacare: Was the ACA a planned legislative disaster?
Thu, 12/26/2013 - 21:01 | 4278102 Anusocracy
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The survival of most everyone's ancestors depended on either a tribal organization, a state hierarchy, or a mix of both, and their behavior towards government reflects that.

Very few base their survival on a culture of freedom and the make-up of the world reflects that.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 21:12 | 4278133 BigJim
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Tut! In a democracy, the government is us! How can 'we' hurt 'us'?

Or to put it another wasy... how can 'us' hurt 'we'?


Fri, 12/27/2013 - 00:37 | 4278505 TBT or not TBT
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Government is just a name we give for the things we do together.

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 00:46 | 4278514 Incubus
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i dont bomb people with drones


I don't tax people on everything. 


They're taking my taxes and doing shit with it that I don't consent to.

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 02:09 | 4278568 Midas
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But when you find out some middle-easterners are having a wedding party and you weren't invited, don't you get the urge to fire up a drone?

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 04:39 | 4278646 A Nanny Moose
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They're taking my taxes and doing shit with it that I don't consent to.

Anyone producing anything taxable, is consenting. Period.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:29 | 4278283 youngman
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There are people right now that will fall thru the cracks...they will be inbetween their current policy and their new Obamacare where they will not get the drugs or doctors they need and will you think the press will disclose this...never..they are all for the propoganda of the Obamacare..

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 19:37 | 4277949 VD
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Obama is a criminal many times over, and this ObamaCare in the end too will cause innumerable 'Merkican casualties...

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:20 | 4278022 dick cheneys ghost
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obummers crimes are nothing compared to the rothschilds 'debt-slavery' crimes.......infact, the rothschilds are celebrated in tel aviv with street namings and such..........

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:38 | 4278065 DaddyO
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That may be true but don't let this weasel Obummer off the hook so easily...

His crimes against the Constitution are without parallel in the modern age.

The debt ponzi will crash as it always has and we will rise out of the ashes, as we always have.


Thu, 12/26/2013 - 21:05 | 4278116 Anusocracy
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Lest we not forget the real culprit: government.

None of this shit would be happening if 99% of the population were anarchists, instead of 1%.

So, 99 percenters, look in the mirror, and you will see the problem.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:32 | 4278284 artless
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I upvoted you for the sentiment but even if our ranks went to over 50% "government" has shown that it has no problem using whatever means necessary to achieve its goals. And there always seem to be plenty of those who have no problem and recognize no immorality in allowing gov't to do their dirty work.

For those who need a translation: That would be ANY of you who get a fucking dime from government. Until ALL people who interact with The Criminal Class of Washington, DC are completely shunned by the rest of society and therefore cut off from all the things they want and need, the shit show will just roll on.


Fri, 12/27/2013 - 07:04 | 4278697 negative rates
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The shit show is run by private gvt lobbists here, get all you can while you STILL can.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:30 | 4278049 FeralSerf
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I agree, Barry's awful.  But as awful as he is, he doesn't hold a candle to Bush and his partner in global murder, Dick Cheney.  Barry's just doing his best to coverup Cheney's tour de force, the terrorist attack on 9/11.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:42 | 4278070 DaddyO
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I call BS on your assessment, Obummer is just as culpable as the other two!

He has caused more death, destruction and damage to our reputation the world over than the other two douchebags combined.

Name one thing Obummer has undone...that GWB did. In fact, Obummer has doubled down on most Bush policies.


Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:56 | 4278098 VD
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Fri, 12/27/2013 - 07:21 | 4278705 GetZeeGold
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he doesn't hold a candle to Bush






....and still IS.

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 15:13 | 4279765 FeralSerf
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Bush and his partner in global murder, Dick Cheney.


Take things out of context much?


To suggest that our current chief puppet is the evil equal of Cheney is demented.  

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 19:11 | 4280407 Flammonde
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In many ways the problem is the public and the corruption tolerated. Congress as  whole is no more criminal than the electorate permits.  There may be a solution. I do not see one.  Tyranny exists when the public abdicates responsibility.  Responsibility is not common in Republics.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 21:25 | 4278156 BigJim
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This is a tricky moral conundrum. And one best viewed through an enhancing prism.... for instance: metaphor!

Imagine a wealthy old man is on his sick-bed. When he dies he'll be leaving a lot of money to his heirs.

One of his sons - we'll call him Dubya - depresses a button and disconnects the old man from his life-support, who immediately goes into seizure.

After a few minutes of this, another son - we'll call him Barry - rushes into the room, shouting for all who hear that Dubya is killing the old man! and pushes Dubya off the button. But then pulls out a gun and shoots the old man in the stomach.

Which one is worse? Dubya or Barry?

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 07:26 | 4278710 malikai
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Not sure why you got so many downvotes. Did you upset the congregation recently?

Anyway, they're both shit stains that *think* they run things - which is what makes them actually dangerous. Apart from that, they're just least-common-denominator distractions for the livestock. Nothing more.

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 12:27 | 4279175 BigJim
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Yes, I probably should have described them as puppets named Dubya and Barry... but then I'd have had to describe who was pulling the strings, etc, how they stood to benefit from the death of the old man, etc.

All metaphors break down eventually, if they didn't they wouldn't be metaphors :-)

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 21:52 | 4278206 tempo
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My daughter and her family of five will be without health insurance in a few days. Her policy costing $500/m was cancelled and a new Obamacare policy costing $1200/m with $2000/individual deductible is being offered. Her family income is about $70,000 and can't afford any insurance. But she can afford to see a doctor. she found a doctor who is more than willing accept $80 per visit vs the $25 offered by Medicaid. If the family is faced with the big $100000++ hospitalization she will just have to declare bankruptcy.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:29 | 4278281 nmewn
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...if they're so inclined.

Peace & good fortune to you & yours.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:51 | 4278324 wisehiney
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Have been hearing/reading good things about that organization.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 23:11 | 4278379 nmewn
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It's not for everybody, everyone has their own lifestyle (this was once you didn't have to choose which rabbit hole to dive down to avoid government over reach)...but it is an alternative, for those who don't drink or smoke & don't get all freaked out because God's name happens to be mentioned.

He seemed like he was searching, I was trying to help for those that lean that way.

Unfortunately I can't, till I clean up ;-)

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 23:34 | 4278425 wisehiney
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New Years Resolution. (again)

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 00:30 | 4278498 VD
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hey nmewn that healthcare option looks excellent! very reasonable more at cheap.... do you know of someone that had to test it out yet???

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 07:29 | 4278716 nmewn
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No, I don't know of anyone, just ran across it the other day. It looks like Freddie has found some more to consider below.

I get mine through my employer, which is on the hit-list of ObummerCare for 2014. Thats when the torches & pitchforks come out.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 23:42 | 4278428 Freddie
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Here are others:


What is pretty cool is Carl Denniger months ago said hopefully if Obama crashes it could help the free market instead of the insurance cartel help solve the healthcare problem.

These Christian plansencourage people to negotiate with the doctors.   Denniger and others say most docs would rather get paid instead of dealing with HMOs.    I wonder if you could combine a lower cost hospital plan with these Christian plans? 

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 00:36 | 4278506 jekyll island
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If someone in her family would develop a serious medical condition, THEN they should sign up for Obamacare. Can't be turned away for pre existing condition, remember? Then they would be responsible for only the monthly premium and the deductible.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:45 | 4278314 Freddie
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Democrats, idiots, libTurds and evil fuxx voted for this.  Hopefully the libs will drink hemlock - it is covered under ObamaCare.

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 07:22 | 4278709 GetZeeGold
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It's covered....but it's wicked expensive.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 19:32 | 4277930 666
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"...fewer people will be insured at the end of the year, under Obamacare, than at the beginning of the year as insurers are forced to drop coverage"

I can't wait to see the statistics on this and other facets of ObummerCare, especially the amount it will add to the budget deficit each year.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:45 | 4278307 sylviasays
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If statistics are released by this regime and the compliant liberal press decides to mention them, no doubt those statistics will be heavily manipulated, massaged and mostly fiction. 

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 19:30 | 4277931 90's Child
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Pay or die.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:11 | 4278003 Snoopy the Economist
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pay then die - fixed it for you

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 00:20 | 4278491 James-Morrison
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Pay AND die, then pay again (don't forget inhertance tax).

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 19:33 | 4277935 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Of course it should come as no surprise. It was never intended to work as advertised. I was intended to fuck everything up so much that people will cry for the govt to come in and fix it, resulting in what the left has wanted for decades- single payer, all govt healthcare system. And it is working. Even if the red side of the power party takes back both houses of congress and the presidency, it wouldn't get repealed anyway. The govt will be forced to take over everything, and the best part is, at least from their perspective is that the people of this country are so hopelessly stupid it will never occur to them that govt intervention is healthcare was the cause of the problems in the first place, and will view more govt as the solution rather than Te cause of all these problems

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 19:38 | 4277950 CunnyFunt
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"... and the gun-crime epidemic must be eradicated at its source, etc., etc., etc. ..."

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 19:46 | 4277959 Long-John-Silver
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It's actually worked too well. It has shown how incompetent the government is at doing anything (except waging War). Now no one is going to want the government controlling anything, especially government controlled (single payer) health care.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 19:53 | 4277973 nmewn
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"When I get back to the office, I turn on the computer to write a progress note in Mr. Edgars’s electronic health record, or EHR. In addition to recording the details of our visit, I must try to meet the new federal criteria for “meaningful use,” criteria that have been adopted by my office with threats that I won’t get paid for my work if I don’t.

Under “History of Present Illness” (HPI), I enter “knee pain.” Up pops a check-box menu: injury-related (surely the chronic wear on Mr. Edgars’s knees from his work as a farmer is some sort of injury, but I don’t think that’s what the computer programmer had in mind), worsening factors (I know of none that apply, since he couldn’t give his own history), relieving factors (there’s no check box for a tired, sleep-deprived wife who’s purposely keeping the dose of acetaminophen low) and so on. Nothing fits, so I exit the HPI and type in “follow-up” (f/u), for which my EHR doesn’t have a pop-up menu. It yields only a blank screen.

I type the Edgars’s story in my own words, so different from the computer-speak generated by the check boxes. I move on to the Review of Systems — another pop-up menu.

I used to simply write “patient is an unreliable historian” at the beginning of this section, but the computer doesn’t understand that this statement could apply to the entire review. Using a template, it generates a page of 13 sentences, one for each body system, and, under each sentence, the option “Positive: Other: unreliable historian.”

Government is a natural clusterfuck.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:32 | 4278050 Greenskeeper_Carl
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"It has shown how incompetent the govt is..." I hope you are right but I doubt it. A good chunk of opposition to obamacare comes from people on the left who think it doesn't go far enough. And there is still a huge chunk of society that thinks the govt is the answer to our problems. All of this might be obvious to you and I, but it damn sure isn't to most people who just want their free shit and don't care who has to be robbed or harmed for them to get it. And they will want govt controlled healthcare when they are told that the private sector an the greedy capitalists have destroyed the healthcare system. They will listen to what the MSM tells them, with their friends who run our education system, churning out blunt instruments who are smart enough to function in their mindless jobs and consume mindless entertainment without ever questioning their all-knowing, benevolent govt, who only wants to "give everyone their fair share"

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 21:11 | 4278131 rbg81
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I've seen this argument before, and it always slays me.  The notion that people would trust the person who fucked it all up to somehow fix things is absurd on the face of it.  The maddening thing is this scenario may just play out.  The Free Shit Army will demand it and they are in the majority now.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:27 | 4278271 Van Halen
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I respectfully ask, is it possible that in this particular case - that is, the case of Obamacare - we are assuring ourselves that it is designed to create an all-government healthcare system (Single payer). Or are we perhaps discounting something we all talk about here constantly - that this government is a travesty and perhaps this bunch of Obamabots DON'T have a plan B? Perhaps they simply screwed up everything and they have absolutely no idea what to do now?

In saying this, I want to add that I give it a whopping 50% chance that this thing is designed to force single payer on us all - by making us demand it. But I personally am beginning to wonder if this bunch have really got themselves into a disaster they were not intending - and all of us with it. Remember, they BELIEVE the crap they tell us because... Obama. They have a fuhrerbunker mentality around him. That's why I think this disaster actually may not come with a plan B.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 19:39 | 4277951 Tasty Sandwich
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But---to put it brutally---you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, and the Bolshevist leaders are just as indifferent to the casualties that may be involved in their drive toward socializaton as any General during the World War who ordered a costly attack in order to show his superiors that he and his division possessed the proper soldierly spirit. In fact, the Bolsheviki are more indifferent because they are animated by fanatical conviction.

RUSSIANS HUNGRY, BUT NOT STARVING - By Walter Duranty, The New York Times, March 31, 1933, Page 13

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:53 | 4278330 Freddie
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Hopefully Walter Duranty is burning in hell still.

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 02:04 | 4278565 Colonel Klink
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It's eternal or so the story goes.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 19:41 | 4277954 disabledvet
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not fun when your signature achievement is going down in flames. Health Care in general in the USA is a total catastrophe. This thing was supposed to be just an insurance plan. It actually didn't sound all that ambitious to me. Germany has had national health insurance since 1871. Of course this is what you get when you "ram this thing through" and "don't read the bill." Incompetence on a grand scale. Should be interesting to see what the fall back position turns out to be.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:18 | 4278260 artless
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To disabledvet:

"This thing was supposed to be just an insurance plan. It actually didn't sound all that ambitious to me."

No, it was not and you obviuosly did not read a single word of the thing in the 72 hrs or so it was online before it was voted. Not that it matters as TPTB have been drooling over this for decades and much of shit show has been around in one form or another for years.

First of all Obama and his cabal of marketing gurus had not much to do with its actual writing. They were just brought in to sell it to the shit for brain masses who think that Europecare and Canadacare are actually successful   the sheeple umm, I mean "the people" with bromides such as "you can keep your doctor". Anyone hwo actually believd that crock of shit is a complete moron and should have their voting priveledge revoked and be stripped of theor citizenship.

The ACA is a power grab plain and simple. It is THE MOST ambitious piece of legislation pretty much EVER and it will eclipse Social Security, Medicare, and the entire welfare state program due to its scope AND the fcat that much of it is left to executive branch bureaucratic decidons on policy and implementation what we with brains call LAW which we with brains also believe should rest with LAW MAKERS in Congress and not in the hands of unelected bureacrats or for that matter 9 lawyers in black robes who tend to re-write The Constitution to their liking from time to time.

Germany has NOT had "insurance" since 1871. The have had a program of SOCIALIZED medicine that acts as a floor for treatment. And it has had many forms over the years. Sure care is decent but I can also tell you nightmare stories like the one of my former football trainer who played at Bayern Munchen (guys like that get THE BEST ATTENTION) and had his leg fracture so badly fuct up that they had to break and reset it again thus pretty much ending his career. The difference between Germany and Canada is that in Germany you still have a private market however small and anyone with the means BUYS SUPPLEMENTAL ACTUAL INSURANCE because they can and they understand the idea of socialized care and what that means in terms of availability and level of care. Ask Brits about waiting times. Ask Canadians about travelling to the US for care. Each so-called utopian system coveted by ignorant American voters has their fatal flaw. Never mind the fact that ALL THREE nations I cite pay shit for defense since they fall under The Empire's umbrella. Makes paying for crap like their programs a tad easier.

The Fall back will be a cry for the statist wet dream of single payer. BECAUSE THAT WAS THE INTENTION OF THE WHOLE PIECE OF SHIT IN THE FIRST PLACE. The groundwork was layed with Medicare and the two loserest generations (Baby boomers and the WWII gen) ALLOWED THAT MESS TO HAPPEN and now suck that teet dry after completely destroting this country and leaving the their kids and grandkids to not only clean up the mess BUT PICK UP THE TAB as well. So even if the millenials could be blamed (of which I am not) for electing The Empty Suit (Barry Obama for all you who missed that) twice, they along with the rest of us are not only gonna get fuct but be left paying for it as well. And as I said MOST of this was already in motion long before the kids even knew who Barry was or that they could feel cool and superior about voting for a black guy so when they get a clue (when the vast red, white, and blue cock of Uncle Sam rams them where it hurts the most) I'll forgive them their transgression. The rest of the leeches who have sucked this country dry? No, not so much.


Thu, 12/26/2013 - 23:03 | 4278348 Freddie
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+1  Correct about Germany. Yup - for our vet buddy - Bayern Muchen is like the NY Yankees in Germany.   Gerd Muller was like Mickey Mantle and drank like him too.

Correct about baby boomers (fu**ing hippies) and seniors (LBJ who sent boys to die for nothing) and also young fuxx who voted for Obamummer.   The young are even dumber than the old folks..

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 05:11 | 4278657 Zero Point
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"Pay shit for defense" = providing mercs to the MIC to kill browny.

Yeah... thanks...

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:46 | 4278317 wisehiney
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Why universal healthcare works in Germany (and any other country that has some success with it)........


Ethnic groups in Germany

  Germans (80.7%)   Other Europeans (7.3%)   Turks (4%)   Other Middle Easterners (1.2%)   Asians (2%)   Black Africans (1%)   Others/unspecified (3.8%)


Thu, 12/26/2013 - 19:41 | 4277956 surf0766
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The chamber of commerce will fix all these issues once there is a new round of progressive GOP asswipes elected to replace the other GOp and Dem progressives asswipes.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:31 | 4278282 Van Halen
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Surf - just liked they fixed unemployment!

OK, we'll just take these numbers, ignore that part of the numbers, post these new unemployment numbers and...

It's gone!

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 19:43 | 4277957 dunce
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We will always have the poor, penis puffers, and socialists. Capitalism can keep the poor low in number, but do nothing about the minds of the other two.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 19:49 | 4277966 nmewn
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I gotta admit, I'm really enjoying seeing big nanny-state progressive government fail...its like a slow motion train wreck, the track always dead ends right at a mountain the engine hits the mountain square and the rear end of it comes up...then the coal car buckles and slides underneath it...then the passenger cars twist & flip into the air...

...and its all IN-SLO-MO. year when this shitstorm hits me, I'm gonna have a completely different attitude...but for now, this is really funny shit ;-)

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 23:01 | 4278354 Freddie
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Guillotines would be more enjoyable especially if Corzine was at the front of the line.

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 01:10 | 4278531 Miffed Microbio...
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You know what's even more funny nmewn, progressives pissing themselves trying to defend it. I was getting a bit fractious when Obamacare came up in a discussion with a few die hard Obama devotees. One ended up snapping at me this was simply schadenfreude on my part and the only issue is the website, not Obamacare. I would have risen to the debate but decided I had enough of a spit shower from a quivering, addlepated buffoon.


Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:06 | 4277994 TideFighter
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Now we need to know was it NASA billing for $500 hammers, or USA ordering $500 hammers and banging the rest of us for $490 ?

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:07 | 4278002 texmln2013
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Who says the negative side-effects are unintended?  I would argue that negative side-effects are, in fact, absolutely intended so as to create demand for more government.  If regulations actually worked, they wouldn't need an agency to continually put them out.  It would be 'one and done'.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:29 | 4278040 bugs_
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Post Obamacare Care Syndrome

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:31 | 4278052 Nels
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The war on drugs, like the war on alcohol (i.e. Prohibition), is a progressive ideology.  It speaks to the corruption of thought  in this country that it garnered the support of the law and order crowd, ignoring the encroachment of freedom it represents.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:44 | 4278077 emersonreturn
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 a great deal of the confusion a relative with pancreatic cancer keeps encountering reminds me of the deceptive quiet after a far off quake, before the tsunami arrives.  nurses, doctors, administrators all wear the same expression; a cross between little orphan annie and munch's famous scream.  mute sirens blaring emergency, emergency!  

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:52 | 4278333 Emergency Ward
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"....mute sirens blaring emergency..." -- good one!

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 21:06 | 4278118 Atomizer
Thu, 12/26/2013 - 21:09 | 4278130 A Lunatic
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What we see as negative side effects the FEDGOV sees as progress.........

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 21:25 | 4278160 Aussiekiwi
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Only one solution, remove the minimum wage, rent subsidies etc and bring back real capitalism, people will need to work, even if they are only offered $2 an hour and then of course because they can't pay market rents there will need to be huge bulidings supplied by employers with rows of Bunk beds for a reasonable rent. Of course you can't have kiddies in that environment, very unhealthy, so they will need to be lodged elsewhere and because education is not free they will not be able to afford that, not much point in them just sitting around, especially when all those small fingers could be doing something productive....I so miss the old days in the early industrial revolution, with progress and hard work America could find its way back there again.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:54 | 4278345 Emergency Ward
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Back when stuff that should be made of steel was made of steel.....

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 21:24 | 4278157 kchrisc
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Governmnet always accomplishes the opposite of the stated goal. Always.

This is because government is a criminal organization and all stated goals are only cover for increased theft.

Put another way: History reveals the fact that only three things come from governmnet: Poverty, misery and death.


"Happiness is a warm head in a basket"

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 21:41 | 4278177 roadhazard
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So the Thread is about Obama Care on the title page but only one paragraph pertains to it on the inside and that one says, "blah, blah, blah." So everything else that is wrong is piled on to Obama Care. awesome and lol.

Which Koch Brother cranked this out.


Thu, 12/26/2013 - 21:49 | 4278208 Clowns on Acid
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Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:36 | 4278291 artless
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Some things are just above a third grade reading ability.

Dumbkoff indeed.

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 06:30 | 4278685 the0ther
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Your comment is funny. You're calling somebody dumb but can't spell the word dumb correctly. LOL. 

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:35 | 4278290 nmewn
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"So everything else that is wrong is piled on to Obama Care."

Its now "the law of the land" with it ;-)

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:53 | 4278329 Serfs_Up
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Wow, with your comment I am certain the Obozo fluffers have invaded ZH...begone IDIOT(s)!!!

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:54 | 4278337 sylviasays
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Naw, it had to be George Soros and Media Matters cranking? 

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 02:44 | 4278588 are we there yet
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All true. As a youth I lived in Detroit when it was the worlds largest car maker.  Government regulations, controls, union constraints, demands finally drove the high paying jobs away to China.  Now Chinese are going to detroit to buy what is left of Detroit's skeliton. The muslems are buying up former Dearborn luxury at firesale prices. This author speaks the truth. 

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 02:50 | 4278593 Manic by Proxy
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Obama has eloquently posited the progressive theory that you CAN pick up a turd by the clean end.

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 08:43 | 4278764 FreeNewEnergy
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Non-compliance. That is the solution to anything and everything government-related.

The problem is that 90% (or more) of the populace is so frightened or so daunted by the complexity of dealing with the government that they go along with it.

It is indeed a conundrum of magnificent proportions, exactly as the government has planned. Edward Snowden is the perfect example of non-compliance or civil disobedience. He acted on conscience and was forced to give up his rights of citizenship, a fate that awaits any who knowingly confront the government and their myriad of laws, rules and regulations.

This condition of forced servitude to a government which is not working in the best interest of the people it is supposed to "govern" cannot sustain unless there is complete control and dominance by the federal state, which, in a country this large, is an audacious undertaking.

There needs to be a voice, many voices, coalescing around the concept of self-rule and autonomy, starting with the individual and extending to the states.

Obamacare should be the final straw that breaks the back of the federal government. It has thus far proven largely inaccessible, unwieldy and cumbersome. Doctors and individuals will begin the process of non-compliance by working together to offer and accept reasonable medical care. The success of doctors and patients working together for their shared good should get the ball rolling toward non-compliance in other areas.

We have too many laws, too many rules, too many regulations, too many government employees at all levels - local, state, federal - that non-compliance is nearly now the expected result. In the government's eye, we will all be criminals, and they will try to treat us as such. Slowly, their power is eroding, but it is exceedingly slow. The failure of Obamacare should accelerate the process of destroying the leviathan federal monster.

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 10:02 | 4278853 kenezen
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Wow! I was going to write a reply! Then I read yours that was so well written in fewer words with even greater meaning. Articulation from insightful thoughts. 


Sat, 12/28/2013 - 22:44 | 4282628 Plata con Carne
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Just wait until folks with employer-paid health insurance see their Jsnuary paychecks and W-2's.  All the money their employers pay for them towards insurance will be counted as Income, and they will be taxed accordingly.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 04:50 | 4326645 O'Scamma
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Obama was never intended to function as it was sold to American public-it is rigged as a spoof phishing scam to gather data otherwise unattainable under Federal H.I.P.A. now snookering the unsuspecting public the weakest and vunerable into opening up once sealed medical files diverted in the process to Obama's own personal use that of which allowed him to issue directives to FDA to fast track approvals for any bio tech companies working on drugs targeting these illnesses in which teh President's blind investment trust takes insider position the efficacy of drugs being tested never at issue as FDA is not a scientific research org. but an political device as past FDA insiders along with bio tech doctors and scientists have been charge with insider trading over the years only that semblance of a cure be made for a quick buck.

Obama will leave office the wealthiest man on Earth while taxpayers who cant afford insurance fund his exploits.

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