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Twitter Now Has A Larger Market Capitalization Than 80% Of All S&P 500 Companies

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As everyone is well aware by now, Twitter investors and speculators have been on a sharp, sudden and very relentless buying spree, sending the company nearly 50% higher since the first week of December, and nearly doubling it since late November.

Why the stock has exploded the way it has, nobody knows, and frankly nobody cares: it has entered that mythical zone of raging momentum where things work, until they don't for whatever reason. But in order to present readers with a sense of where TWTR's $40 billion market cap, which is greater than 403, or 80%, of all S&P 500 companies, puts in in the context of several companies all of which have a market cap that is lower than Twitter's, we have shown on the chart below Twitter's 2014 projected Revenue compared to this same universe of immediately smaller S&P500 companies. Again, just for the sake of perspective.

Certainly, we have no doubt that Twitter's growth curve, based on the realistic assumption of infinite and growing advertising budgets, will promptly eclipse not only the revenues but certainly the earnings and cash flows of all the below-listed companies, and why not all other companies, both in the US and the world, too. Surely, more idiotic things have happened under Bernanke's centrally planned regime.

 


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Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:01 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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Moar Bullshit.

Throw another log on the fire...and pour me a stiff one.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:18 | Link to Comment flacon
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I am old enough to remember when investors put money in "internet malls", thinking that "future growth" will make them a millionaire. Same thing with "internet portals", you remember, those "starting points" for your "web experience". 

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:22 | Link to Comment StacksOnStacks
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I still remember Webvan.

 

I also owned a bunch of shares of something called (something)2business or something like that.  Those were the good old days of worthless crap being worth a shit load for some odd reason...  wait a second!

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:34 | Link to Comment linniepar
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Twitter = location between twat and shitter.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:43 | Link to Comment Fredo Corleone
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#ExtraordinaryPopularDelusionsAndTheMadnessOfCrowds

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:52 | Link to Comment Jay Gould Esq.
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Indeed, it is the nature of the maddened crowd to frenzy round the most fashionable of speculations - particularly those whose earnings multiples and dividend yields are suffixed by, "not meaningful."

+1

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 21:07 | Link to Comment Muppet Pimp
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.....................zzzzzzzzzzz

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 21:33 | Link to Comment foodisgood
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Earnings and revenue and cash flow. Those are so not relevant.

It is all about retaining eyeballs - money is just pouring out of em.

Hurry and get with the program as sight will soon give way to a plug into your spine but by then there will only be BitCoin to judge worth.

Que fonestar...

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:13 | Link to Comment lewy14
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So, how might twitter be worth what it's trading at?

If eyeballs really do get monetized.

If you aren't paying for an app, you are not the customer. You are the product.

Twitter's users will get monetized. Productized, if you will, just as Google's users have; just as Facebook's users have.

The NSA isn't the only one interested in what everybody's thinking and who is influential (and on what topics). Every Fortune 500 company is building their own little NSA and bespoke Ministry of Truth. And there are many companies - startups, mostly - which are helping them do this.

Once the whole "data-mining the interest graph" technology ecosystem becomes ripe enough, Twitter will pick some winners and either start charging for the data, or buy the companies for their talent and technology - which will then be applied to the motherlode, the twitter "firehose". 

And the global corporations will know even more about you - who you are online, how bright you are, if you're a troll or a smart guy that people pay attention to. If you're a troublemaker or you go with the flow. If you complain and cost overhead or if you're a happy camper. If you're the type that writes bad reviews. If you're prone to talkback. 

And you will be dealt with accordingly. For you, a special deal on the latest model. For you? Sorry, out of stock.

They know some of this stuff already of course but the twitter miners will provide some nice big puzzle pieces that are currently missing.

And yeah, I do know all this for a fact, firsthand. And yeah, this is all I will / can say. Left plenty of crumbs to GIFY.

But does this make TWTR a buy? Damned if I know. But "discounted cash flow" is not how to value it; of that I am 100% certain.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 23:50 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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That works out to $285,714,285.71(4....) per character.  Seems reasonable...

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 04:41 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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yup - seems legit!

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 06:40 | Link to Comment Wolferl
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That market cap is absolutly okay if you have profits per share that high like Twitter ...  btw, can anyone of you experts tell something me about those Twitter profits?

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 05:15 | Link to Comment malikai
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I'm working on a project to do something quite similar in a different area.

The components are mostly ready for the glue to bring it all together.

BTW, the recent NLP work from stanford has made some major inroads with applications across all sectors.

http://nlp.stanford.edu:8080/sentiment/rntnDemo.html

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 07:41 | Link to Comment lewy14
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Nice demo. I'm aware of the Stanford work and I know some companies that make use of it. Personally I think sentiment analysis has a place (call center stuff) but might be overrated for social network analysis. (Might).

Have you read "Six Degrees" by Duncan Watts?

 

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 14:18 | Link to Comment malikai
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On the list now. I usually go for the deep technical stuff, but this book sounds pretty cool.

Got a long flight coming up and this looks like just the read for it.

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 04:15 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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But... but... but... this time is different! Fundermentawls 'n balins-she3ts don't matter!

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:44 | Link to Comment Smegley Wanxalot
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Isn't that the Twainter?

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:58 | Link to Comment Fíréan
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The convergence of the twat and the shitter .

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 21:20 | Link to Comment booboo
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Thats a small internet company called Tainter

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 07:48 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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Such a serious name; you can tell it's a real industry; very important to the productivity of the USA; and therefore it's just fine it's worth more than 80% of the companies on the S&P500.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:29 | Link to Comment Ralph Spoilsport
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.

"The Internet? We are not interested in it"

- Bill Gates, 1993

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 21:01 | Link to Comment Crash Overide
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Bill Gates is one of the dumbest smart guys out there and a evil asshole to boot...

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:11 | Link to Comment Major Malfunction
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An evil asshole who, since 2007, has given $28 Billion (yes, billion, not million) to various charities .. 48% of his net worth.

He is way not evil. You must be getting him mixed up with the true devilspawn, Mark .. SomethingorOther, head of .. Faceblog, or some such. He's the one who deserves a boot ..

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:58 | Link to Comment putaipan
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yeah. eugenics programs are expensive.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 23:24 | Link to Comment localsavage
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Yah because giving a bunch of money doesn't even effect your lifestyle and plastering your name all over these foundations in a look at me look at me fashion makes you great these days.  I have mor e respect for the little old lady who donates to her church....

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 07:18 | Link to Comment dognamedabu
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That church that promises people eternal damnation or the one that says God lives on the moon?

 

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 08:52 | Link to Comment starfcker
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depends on what you view as a charity. immigrant rights groups don't qualify, in my view. fuck bill gates, and every other globalist scum. globalization is not the problem. destroying the mother ship (america) in the name of globalization is

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:28 | Link to Comment dobermangang
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During the internet bubble, Blue Mountain Arts (an online greeting card site) got bought for $780 million dollars.  I think the founder bought it back a few years later for 20 million.  Those were the days.  Suckers were everywhere.

http://news.cnet.com/ExciteHome-buys-online-greeting-card-site-for-780-m...

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:16 | Link to Comment Mark Carney
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so what you are saying is........."BUY"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:38 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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But what is it backed by?  Seems like a virtual asset to me.

Should I have used the <sarc> tag?

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:17 | Link to Comment Exponere Mendaces
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Good point Kirk, seems that a lot of money goes into Twitter, but nary a criticism of its ephemeral electrons being used to send messages.

Eh, par for the course in this shanty-town bereft of all critical thinking.

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 09:11 | Link to Comment Jumbotron
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Follow TWTR at  #Bullshit

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 19:59 | Link to Comment TideFighter
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All without a sock puppet as their mascot.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:03 | Link to Comment El Vaquero
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What will be funny is if, once the TWTR bubble pops, it takes the rest of the market with it.  I get the impression that a lot of people looking for some big event to kick it off, like Lehman failing, but wouldn't it be funny if it was just Twitter's stock price declining?

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:23 | Link to Comment The man with po...
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It would be even funnier if it meant the demise of Twitter.

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 01:52 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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Twitterspace says what?

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:03 | Link to Comment q99x2
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I think it is because the name sounds like something a woman''s clitoris does when she sees me.

 

 

 

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:03 | Link to Comment Lotionboy
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I like to call it twatter...

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:11 | Link to Comment TulsaTime
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AS IF we needed another example of how removed the market is from the economy. Cue the creepy music for the rapidly approaching alpacalypse, malinvestment is the only investment going on now. How many trillion will not be enough this time? TARP II bailout estimated at only 12T, still not enough to save BOA !

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:33 | Link to Comment cowdiddly
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And with Facebooks valuation priced at future earnings for the next one hundred years what possibly could go wrong?

Its a sad day when 2 of Americas biggest products for export are twitters and Likes. How far as a nation we have slid.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:13 | Link to Comment max2205
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Shit happens

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:19 | Link to Comment Phil Free
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And shit is GOING to happen. And -- how soon will it be?  Place yer bets!!

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:14 | Link to Comment monopoly
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That is truly amazing. They never learn.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:20 | Link to Comment bugs_
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make favorite

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:25 | Link to Comment dobermangang
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This is not gonna end well.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:22 | Link to Comment FieldingMellish
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Greater fool and his money...

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:26 | Link to Comment kedi
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QE. Making stupid  money, even more stupid. With little consequence. Because the stupid, will be spread out to the smart and the too poor to be so stupid. Your tax dollars at work. Forever.....

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:24 | Link to Comment logicalman
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Tell me again - how much profit does Twitter make?

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:56 | Link to Comment Aussiekiwi
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Its not about profit, this time its different, Its all about volume!

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 21:22 | Link to Comment Osmium
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Exactly.  It's different this time because companies that don't make a profit have reached a permanently high plateau.

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 03:31 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:26 | Link to Comment Smegley Wanxalot
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Well, if Amazon and its baseless growth in Market Cap are any example, Twitter can triple in value from here easily.

I ain't buyin' it, though.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:26 | Link to Comment NOTaREALmerican
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All that matters is there being another sucker.

It has always been so.  It's what makes markets, markets.

Hey, buddy, wanna buy a bridge?  Yeah, da Brooklyn bridge,  I got da title right here.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:28 | Link to Comment pragmatic hobo
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because the supply of greater fool will never end ...

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:32 | Link to Comment Argos
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SELL!  Sell everything (except PMs) now.  I can read the entrails as well as anyone.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:34 | Link to Comment edb5s
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Sure, they don't make a profit, but they'll make up for it in volume!

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:33 | Link to Comment Blame Crash
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Bitcoin by another name.

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 04:17 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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Wrong. BitCoin has real, practical value. TWTR, not so much.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:36 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Seems about right, using the 80/20 Rule:  80% are Twits.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:44 | Link to Comment Debugas
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i like tulips more

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:53 | Link to Comment Aussiekiwi
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Some clever person will work out how to use Twitter to trade virtual Tulip bulbs, Billion dollar idea!!

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 21:28 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Stealing Soros György idea [George Soros], we'll place a put on the stock for all social media ventures.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:49 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
Fri, 12/27/2013 - 06:28 | Link to Comment Uber Vandal
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How prophetic that the mascot is singing Spinning Wheel by Blood Sweat & Tears

"What goes up, must come down......."

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:50 | Link to Comment Dapper Dan
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Got  Emu Eggs?

 

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/article3739111.ece

 

A private firm engaged in emu farming here has been charged with cheating investors of their promised monthly returns.

The police on Tuesday registered a case against eight persons, including the chairman and managing director of Susi emu farms at Perundurai, M.S. Guru. The district administration also launched a detailed probe into what is suspected to be a scam involving several crores of rupees.

On another note check this graph.

http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2013/12/08/crash2-are-all-bets-off-after-spring-2014/

Which timescale and why?

We’re heading towards that two-week period now where a combination of gift-buying panic, holiday plans and liquid lunches will take many eyes off many balls, and reduce volumes in most markets. But we’re not quite there yet: there is still next week, and still a lot of nervous taper angst out there.

All it will take is a big enough chunk of savvy selling (which most of us won’t see until too late), or a tipping-point bulletin from Europe, or a chance remark by the Fed….or all of those. And maybe others still….like interest rate hints.

But whether or not such triggers have any effect before the great anti-materialist’s birth is celebrated by an orgy of materialism, the time is almost nigh come what may. In recent weeks, stocks have continued to roar to new all-time highs. In many cases, rises massively exceed real expectations for earnings growth. “I still see end Q4 2013, through to end Q1 2014, as the window in which we see a significant risk-on top before giving way, over the last three quarters of 2014 and through 2015, to what could be a 25% to 50% sell-off in global stock markets,” warned Nomura’s Bob Janjuah in a recent note to clients.

Personally I am also concerned about the number of “bollocks” stocks there are in the top twenty. They include things like Facebook and Ebay which – although they look like excellent medium term bets – still struggle to convince me – given in many cases an absence of real profit – that the long term business outlook for them is that great…or that the short-term prognosis isn’t that they’ll be the first ones to take the hit. Even Google I find madly overpriced, given the number of ‘intelligent search’ threats I believe it may face.

 

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 20:56 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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But my twitter button is blocked when viewing websites. How can you make money reselling private information?

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 21:19 | Link to Comment Misanthropia
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Prepare for a Twit-Out!

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:10 | Link to Comment smcapmachine
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Anytime a mo'stock trades it's entire float in a day, it's a disaster in the making

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:25 | Link to Comment arrogantchef
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No bubble to see here... move along

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 22:34 | Link to Comment Kreditanstalt
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OTOH, six or seven of those other very profitable companies are government-supported.  They're "healthcare".

Get the government out of the picture.

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 23:24 | Link to Comment artless
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They're gonna have to redo this list in a few years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubLxic5FkTw

I especially like the part about "the realistic assumption of infinite and growing advertising budgets, [that] will promptly eclipse not only the revenues but certainly the earnings and cash flows of all the below-listed companies"

Beacuse, of course it only make sense that MOAR will be paid to advertise a product than what the seller will get for it.

Meanwhile the lemmings pile over the cliff with their 401ks, pension funds,  get assraped by Wall Street in the way of fees and  commissions along the way, until the day that Uncle Sam comes along a just takes it. For the children, of course.

Carry on!

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 00:10 | Link to Comment yogibear
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Exactly what William Dudley of the NY fed wants, infinitely increasing stock indexes.

A hyper-bubble market. Still has a ways to go.

Chicago Fed president, Charles Evans, said at least 15%/year appreaciation.

2014-year-end target for the S&P 500 of 2,220. They will pump it there no matter what.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-19/chicago-fed-evans-unveils-2014-year-end-sp-500-target?page=1

Federal Reserve controls rates, unemployment and stock indexes. Amazing. Like North Korea and the communist party.


Fri, 12/27/2013 - 04:07 | Link to Comment TheRideNeverEnds
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If its in a bubble now what will it be next month as it traded through 100? 

 

I've gotta figure its just managers buying it with other peoples money so they can say that they have twitter in their portfolios. 

 

What the hell do asset gatherers care about the price or something or if it is a good trade or not?  They just need to wrangle more people into their funds to gather more assets and live fat on the fees. 

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 06:06 | Link to Comment Come in Number 51
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#Dont_fight_the_bubble

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 07:38 | Link to Comment katchum
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Twitter should set up some ads or fees, will immediately become very profitable. 

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 09:03 | Link to Comment robochess
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It's not the price. It's the money.

Fri, 12/27/2013 - 09:25 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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MOAR SHITSHOW FOR EVERYONE!!!!!

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