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The NSA's Massive Phone-Tracking Program Is Legal, New York Judge Finds
Less than two weeks after Federal Judge Richard Leon ruled that the NSA's "indiscriminate and arbitrary" invasion of privacy is "likely" unconstitutional, giving a trace of hope that America may rise above its Orwellian Banana republic status, here comes New York City District Judge William Pauley to slam the coffin shut on US privacy and the Fourth amendment, and make a mockery of Edward Snowden's alternative Christmas message. Moments ago the WSJ reported that "a federal judge in New York City has ruled that a massive U.S. phone-tracking program is legal."
U.S. District Judge William Pauley issued the decision Friday, saying the program "represents the government's counter-punch" to eliminate al Qaeda's terrorist network by connecting fragmented and fleeting communications.
The ruling notes the terrorist attacks in 2001 and how the National Security Agency's phone data-collection system could have helped investigators connect information before the attacks occurred.
The judge dismissed a lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union. The ACLU didn't immediately respond to a message for comment.
Bananas for everyone!
From Pauley's ruling, the lies emphasized in bold:
There is no evidence that the Government has used any of the bulk telephony metadata it collected for any purpose other than investigating and disrupting terrorist attacks. While there have been unintentional violations of guidelines, those appear to stem from human error and the incredibly complex computer programs that support this vital tool. And once detected, those violations were self-reported and stopped. The bulk telephony metadata collection program is subject to executive and congressional oversight, as well as continual monitoring by a dedicated group of judges who serve on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
No doubt, the bulk telephony metadata collection program vacuums up information about virtually every telephone call to, from, or within the United States. That is by design, as it allows the NSA to detect relationships so attenuated and ephemeral they would otherwise escape notice. As the September 11th attacks demonstrate, the cost of missing such a thread can be horrific: Technology allowed al-Qaeda to operate decentralized and plot international terrorist attacks remotely. The bulk telephony metadata collection program represents the Government's counter-punch: connecting fragmented and fleeting communications to re-construct and eliminate al-Qaeda's terror network.
"Liberty and security can be reconciled; and in our system they are reconciled within the framework of the law." Boumediene, 553 U.S. at 798. The success of one helps protect the other. Like the 9/11 Commission observed: The choice between liberty and security is a false one, as nothing is more apt to imperil civil liberties than the success of a terrorist attack on American soil. The 9/11 Commission Report, at 395. A court's solemn duty is "to reject as false, claims in the name of civil liberty which, if granted, would paralyze or impair authority to defend [the], existence of our society, and to reject as false, claims in the name of security which would undermine our freedoms and open the way to oppression. American Comm'cns Ass'n, C.I.O. v. Douds, 339 U.S. 382, 445 (1950) (Jackson, J., concurring in part and dissenting in part).
For all of these reasons, the NSA's bulk telephony metadata collection program is lawful. Accordingly, the Government's motion to dismiss the complaint is granted and the ACLU's motion for a preliminary injunction is denied.
And a brief bio on the Judge:
Born in Glen Cove, New York, Pauley received an A.B. from Duke University in 1974 and a J.D. from Duke University School of Law in 1977. He was a law clerk, Office of the Nassau County Attorney, New York from 1977 to 1978. He was a Deputy county attorney of Nassau County Attorney' Office, New York in 1978. He was in private practice in New York City from 1978 to 1998. He was an Assistant counsel, New York State Assembly Minority Leader, New York from 1984 to 1998.
Pauley is a federal judge on the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. Pauley was nominated by President Bill Clinton on May 21, 1998, to a seat vacated by Peter K. Leisure. He was confirmed by the United States Senate on October 21, 1998, and received his commission on October 22, 1998.
Among his notable decisions was that involving Ben-ami Kadish, a U.S. national who pleaded guilty to passing classified information to Israel.
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As a judge, you would think he knew treason was a capital offense.
When confronted with their evil deeds, many Nazis claimed there is nothing wrong with what they had done because they were lawful, which is in fact true but that’s not the point, the point is those acts are morally wrong with or without the backing of the law and if the law allows them then the law is itself evil. To seek refuge from the idea of legality in a situation like this is a de facto admission of moral guilt.
Bananas for everyone!????
Police State for everyone!
You know of course the NSA has all his conversations (DUH).
Why would he rule any differently?
His picture looks like they just told him which way to rule or his pig fucking pictures are gonna be public.
this will end in bloody revolution. corruption to the core, blatant dissregard for the constitution
No it won't. It should. But then so many things in the past years should have. But have not and will not. Not in the land of pussies.
When said pussies mouths get hungry and dry... yes it will.
It did not during the depression, it will not now.
comparing the depression to the contemporary is apples to oranges. look more to post ww1 gemany during their currency crisis. even that will pale in comparrison.
I agree that a revolution should occur.
And then I look at the national campaigns re: "Honoring our Hero's" and the multitudes wearing flag pin and red flowers in their lapels. And then I look at bank foreclosures on veterans and treatment resulting in death by intended negligence at our VA hospitals. And then I look at how quickly Occupy (and I admit it was flawed from the beginning) was put down by thugs while the nation cheered and watched football. And I listen to people who intially said Snowden was a traitor before they had a clue what he was about. And I cry. Because I know it will not end well and take my fair share of the blame.
I agree with maskone. There will be a tipping point. It may not happen for decades, but it will happen.
Decades?
America doesn't have decades. Not even one decade. I believe America will go full communist by the end of Hillary's first term as POTUS.
And nothing will be done to stop it. Not one thing. Those 400 million guns will be useless and most of their owners will be in political prisons ...or executed.
Look at South Africa to see where America is heading. Or maybe the old Soviet Union.
Freedom was good while it lasted, but it's over now.
Federal judges do not rule against their employer. Its just not done.
bingo!
Gee, I was under the impression that the DEA's Special Operations Division was using NSA transcripts for domestic law enforcement purposes.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805
Nothing to see here. Move along.
They do whatever the fuck they want, just because they can.
Fucking criminals without the class that the mob had.
pods
I'm tempted to set up a phone conversation with a friend to make it sound like I'm moving large amounts of drugs just to see if I get pulled over. Aside from a couple of speeding tickets when I was 18 or 19, I don't have a criminal record and except for trying pot once (the statute of limitations has expired on that one,) I've never been involved in illegal drugs in any way, shape or form. They have no lawful reason to listen to my phone conversations. It would be some strong circumstancial evidence that they're listening to everybody's phone calls were I to get pulled over.
that shit does not expire where it counts.
For example, a farmer in Nebraska would be happy to move to Canada where I am.
Many decades ago he was caught smoking ONE joint.
Criminal record.
Can never come to Canada. That's right, he's barred.
Right, but I was never even arrested for trying pot, and now, even if they found hard evidence that I did smoke it, it was so long ago that they cannot prosecute me. Like I said, my criminal record consists of a couple of speeding tickets.
Who are they to judge you? And you take their judgment seriously? What a bunch of fucking pussies.
I'm not sure who is judging me here. My point with explaining the extent of my criminal record and the extent of my involvement with drugs was that no law enforcement agency has any lawful reason to be listening to my phone calls. I don't have a history that supports extra scrutiny, especially not from the likes of agencies such as the DEA. If I have a phone conversation to make it sound like I am transporting a bunch of controlled substances, and that is the only place where specific details regarding what how I will be acting, where I will be, etc..., then it will be a safe bet that my phone calls are being monitored should I be pulled over.
We are all judged by the 'law' which we supposedly follow because we want to live in civilization. Right. That's exactly what I don't want you or I to be judged by. Who the fuck is anyone to make arbitary rules and hold hostage everyone else to them? Furthermore, what constitutes a drug and what constitutes crime in these arbitary rulesets? Why do they include things my ancestors have done for jillions of years? These are things regular 'good' people don't particularly address or think about because they don't do 'bad' things. Well, what if what was 'good' yesterday is declared 'bad' tomorrow by some arbitrary ruleset?
Point is, whether you are a criminal by smoking a joint or not is not up to an arbitrary ruleset but rather who you are harming by doing such a thing. No victim, no crime. But we don't get to have nice things, so yeah, you will get pulled over if you the JoeAverage good guy suddenly says he's gonna move a pound of weed.
So then I guess I should prearrange face to face, then make that phone call and video the shit out of everything. And practice making these statements:
"I do not wish to make any statements."
"I do not consent to any searches."
"Am I being detained, or am I free to go?"
But I do agree, no victim, no crime is the way it should be.
Those three statements are your best friends. It would be a great and worthwhile experiment, if you ever wish to try it.
You are as prepared as you will ever be amigo. Best of luck to you, and happy Friday.
Any official encounter with police is a risk, which I do understand, but I figure that nothing is going to change unless risks are taken. I'm seriously considering it.
And a Happy Friday to you.
hm, it depends. In America you're as likely to be beat for not consenting to a search on demand, perhaps even shot. In Canada I've played it safe. I've made sure what can't be searched is beyond their comprehension to look for & they haven't, what they do look for I do consent to and they walk away dumb founded. I have the whole "used car salesman" what-can-I-help-you-with-next (fuckhead) approach. It's all in the twist of the smile, something subconsciuosly penetrating saying "pig" while up front & obvious saying "I'm co-operative, see my smile? All's well (These aren't the droids you're looking for)".
It's an art.
With expanding powers about who can be detained & why, and with drastically little oversight even to murder by police, the risk is very high.
In Canada in fact we had a wonderful incident exposed called "Starlight Tours".
The cops would kidnap people in Winnepeg in the dead of winter and leave them staring at the sky freezing to death far outside of any reach of any town.
Isn't that darling?
that "smoking pot" and "criminal record" could be joined into the same sentence is absolutely absurd.
didn't the last 3 presidents smoke up at some point?
Pauley added 'if you haven't been doing anything wrong, then you shouldn't have anything to hide anyway'.
there is always an "exception" when a black, liberal president is demanding it
"there is always an "exception" when a black, liberal president is demanding it"
hmmmm, wonder where that Patriot act thingy came from. Or Carnivor. Or echelon. Or any number of the programs in operation for yearts requiring the construction boom in Utah.
Freaking government tool. Continuing to turn the "people" against themselves so they will be to occupied with bullshit to fight the real enemy.
Party doesn't mean anything - it's the Military / Industrial / Orwellian / Oligarchs Complex (MIO2C) who calls the shots - the prez is just their errand boy.
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There's always an exception once the government becomes power hungry and wants more power. This ruling may very well sound "reasonable" to your average schmuck, who will never read it anyway.
I junked ya for thinking that this has anything to do with the idea that the president is black or "liberal." We were already going down this path when we had a corn fed "conservative" white boy in office. The styles were different, but the results are the same.
so did the NSA tap the judge????
Let's not overreact - it's not like we can't have our 16 oz. fountain drinks. Enjoy!!
Hey, you got a spare cigarette?
It's not unusual to have disparate decisions from different federal judges so it is not yet time to despair. The decisions now move up the appeals chain.
Yepper. Plenty of time to continue sitting on ones ass.
Isn't the problem with it that it's in operation, not whether a court has decided that it's unconstitutional?
Wow, this tard looks like a corpse. Fucking reptiles, they live forever.
"Like the 9/11 Commission observed: The choice between liberty and security is a false one, as nothing is more apt to imperil civil liberties than the success of a terrorist attack on American soil. "
How they pulled it off (Pentagon). Your either with us or the terrorists (corrupt Judges and TPTB), bitches.
https://vimeo.com/4073140
How they wanted to pull it off (Cuba): Your either with the dead Presidents (not the band) or your with the terrorists (Joint Cheifs of Staff - Pentagon).
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
Those Liberal Judges are so much better than thos Conservative Judges
/SARC. SARC
William Pauley = corrupt judge who pisses on the Constitution of the United States and shits on American people.
Yeah, he looks like he files his teeth.
Well Done Sir! Well Done!
RE his Ben-ami Kadish decision, he let the accused Israeli spy off with a $50,000 fine because he was an old man.
So, basically, Mr. Pauley is set for life.
I am not surprised. The system is set up to protect its own and to do that they need all the information they can get on the American people, it also show the level of fear the ruling elite have of the American people. Until the entire system implodes on its own greed and corruption this will always be the outcome.
Trading with the enemy act. 1933
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/1933.htm
12 USC 95(b) refers to the authority granted in the Act of October 6, 1917 (a/k/a The Trading with the Enemy Act or War Powers Act) which was "An Act to define, regulate, and punish trading with the enemy, and for other purposes".
This Act originally excluded citizens of the United States, but in the Act of March 9, 1933, Section 2 amended this to include "any person within the United States or any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof".
It was here that every American citizen literally became an enemy to the United States government under declaration.
According to the current Memorandum of American Cases and Recent English Cases on The Law of Trading With the Enemy, we have no personal Rights at law in any court, and all Rights of an enemy (all American citizens are all declared enemies) to sue in the courts are suspended, whereby the public good must prevail over private gain.
I FOR ONE AM SHOCKED, SHOCKED! I TELL YOU.
HOW COULD THIS BE SO? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
.....http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/farcical
Apparently he sold his "Honorable". The Judges formally know as Honorable please apply.... USA.GOV
Name committed to memory...
What Judge Scalia of Supreme frothy cream, did with the Hanging chad conundrum to debase the GWB election, this guy does to protect the NSA Orwellian construct.
The debasement of LAW is the final nail in the coffin of a Republican Democracy.
From Charybdis to Scylla. The Patriot Act now protects not the people but BIG Brother.
Now? What about "then", when it was passed.
It always has protected Big Brother. Always.
AS far as the NSA thread goes there is a PRE and POST Snowden phenomenun.
Since the Snowden file this "presumption of innocence" of NSA has been shattered, not just shattered but proven to be BIG brother truly.
Before, we didn't know how systemic and perverse this Echelon program and what followed (Prism/Google/Yahoo/Microsoft gang rat fucking etc.) were.
Now the world knows that the US Oligarchy; aka Feinstein Cabal in COngress, is deep up to its neck in this sham spy operation.
As the exercise of POWER is NEVER INNOCENT, it implies that the WH, just like in Nixon and Bay of Pig/Nam days, is right behind this executive ORDERED global meta data spy system.
So yes it has protected it but NOW we know its CRIMINAL.
And, what this judge is doing is saying, that post Snowden, Justice is also part of the Executive/Legislative MAtrix behind this concoction in all its criminality now laid bare bones.
Nobody can say today : we ONLY protect the US against terror via the NSA; just not true.
Post Snowden not one dent has been put in NSA. I hear few in congress from any party paying anything other than lip service to not just these, but any, constitutional violations. Power begets power. This shit did not come about in five years, or ten years. It has been ongoing. Where is MSM or talk radio?
We set up a moral state and then went about keeping tabs on morality. Hoover had this down to a science many moons ago. To believe it is just now and the agenda of any one political party is to miss the reality. Which of course been the plan all along.
not ONE dent?
How about recruiters being faced with students saying "how do I get hired to be a whistleblower?"
That's a pretty big dent. No new agents except the most obtuse fucktards but consider the NSA can't hire just any idiot either. Smarter people tend not to be fooled so easily.
Those who pretend to be fooled really are just pretending after enough exposure.
http://youtu.be/KnE9fkWKVW8
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/03/nsa-recruiters-university-of-wisconsin_n_3541135.html
Yepper, my apologies, NSA has now been effectively crippled beyond function.
it is a problem. Just imagine their entire psychology now that they are no longer facing "patriots" or people who simply want government-sourced cash, but people who are wilfully entering to violate the NSA inner sanctum - what if MOST new applicants become like that?
What kind of nightmare is it? They'll have to spend as much time spying on each other as everyone else and that will tie them up a lot. And make them hard to work with each other since they won't even begin to trust each other.
Maybe set each other up for a fall, planting evidence of leaking.
The more internal strife for them, the better off we are.
This judge can go fuck himself!
Only in NY could you find suchj a fuckin hack!
I heard the DC circuit may have one or two.
I cannot imagine that those who debated and ratified the Fourth Amendment would have ever thought it would allow the Post Office to compile the from/to address of every piece of mail sent and received by every citizen let alone use that information for any investigative purpose.
Hang it.
Because you can't call a piece of traitorous dog-shit like this a him.
That judge is an asshat... completely bought and paid for by TPTB.
I almost forgot... Fuck him!
Funny,
I was just visiting ground zero yesterday pointig out to my son all the lies surrounding 9/11 and the police state that resulted. We walked by the court house where I pointed out the numerous cameras (at least two to a light post) and RF gear located throughout the area.
Yes, I felt quite safe. We can also feel safe at home just so long as we look the other way as the vampires continue to drain our life blood. For now we are the prized middle class meal. When nothing is left of us but a dry empty husk we will then have been effectively been converted to zombies supporting the vampire's cause. More zombies, less middle class.
It is no surprise to me living here in NY that all branches of government have been compromised. I must escape. It is better to give my blood to a harmless political leech elsewhere than the world class blood suckers we have here in NY hell bent on dominating the world.
His soul is lost. In the meanwhile, here's hoping that he develops an anal fistula.
Sell Cisco, IBM and ATT.
A take down of US corporations in one easy ruling.
YeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaa.
Judge Pauley is obviously an asswipe big-state socialist and needs a darn good bitch-slapping.
Who's teet is HE sucking on??
"big-state socialist"
Federal Judge Facist.
looks jewish to me
"looks jewish to me"
Another government tool that would rather see us fighting each other than fighting the Kleptocracy that only see's one color, ethnicity, i.e. green. As in YOUR money.
Change your screen name and bash a mexican lettuce picker as some one has already thrown in "black" and you will have truly added to the liberation of America.
The Oligarchs pulling the strings are Luciferian not Jewish, different religion. They believe they are gods and can do whatever they want no matter how evil.
BTW how many aliases has it been since you started here, 8, 10?
he is from Nassau county, o yeah he is a fuck twit
I am sure his decision was typed up for him and his family's life was threatened.
Do you reckon this guy made this 'ruling' due to the results of the very case he was reviewing....ala Roberts and Obysmal care?
It will not be the accused who will be able to offer the I’ve-done-nothing-wrong defence, the accused is guilty because the NSA says they are guilty.
There isn't one honest judge in the Second Circuit at the district or appeals level that has been found in thirty years. Before Senator Schumer began in 1999, D'Amato chose judges who could be trusted. After Schumer, every judge was approved by Schumer. Bush's last Attorney General was Mukassey, who was proposed as a "conservative" Supreme Court Judge to Bush by Schumer. Bush also selected Mukassey as AG to reach across to Schumer. Schumer is the Senate bag man for contributions from the NY financial industry. The US Attorney for the Southern District of NY (Manhattan), Bharara,is Schumer's former in-house lawyer. A judge,as crooked as his photo, protects the system and its venality.
We now need another judge, from a different state for a "Best 2 out of 3" ruling, to force this up the judicial ladder. All the way to the Supreme Court.
That would expose the extent of the rot in this country, for ALL to see. And maybe, just maybe to take a stand.
"That would expose the extent of the rot in this country, for ALL to see. And maybe, just maybe to take a stand."
The extent of rot in this country has been exposed for years. The "All" have chosen to stand down.
Legal land is all fraud anyway, so who gives a fuck?
Learn how to be a real live man and they become irrelevant.
What a joke as a judge. Bad joke, but a joke. May God save America, nobody else will.
One of the reasons they do the spying is so they have scumbags like this judge in their pocket! He is probably some sort of pedophile, secretly gay and married to a woman or cheats the foreign banking cartel out of some money when he writes a check to the IRS. Maybe he is involved in human trafficing. He must have some enormous skeletons in his closet to make that ruling.
I have nothing to hide in my life, but the chilling effect of the government's actions can be seen even in a snapshot of my insignificant life. My email inbox used to overflow, but now contains only spam. I rarely utilize email at all these days.
Likewise, I used to chat with my friends from time to time on the telephone. Never a lot, because I'm just not a chatty person, but now I can count on one hand the minutes I spend on the phone in a month's time. I gave up flying due to the TSA over a decade ago, so I only travel if I can drive there.
It doesn't matter that the government isn't likely to be observing my actions. The mere idea that they collect my information, store it, and might observe without my knowledge someday is just creepy and disturbing. I'll just stay here fairly isolated on my new farm in rural nowhere and interact with family and the few neighbors who stop over from time to time. I don't really miss the world I left behind, but as an American raised on God, country and apple pie...and the words "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" it's a massive and devastating blow struck by the government against the people.
Don't say anything important in front of your microwave.
That admission makes you a high ranking terrorist threat. Bet you use cash as well -:)
I REALLLLLLY HOPE that someone, somewhere, is keeping a perfect list of every single betrayer of their Oath to Defend the US Constitution.
This is a good start
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_Senators
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives_by_seniority
A friend just purchased one of those $1500 remote drones with a camera that he can watch live on his phone, his military friend said that was way too much technology for civilians, go figure, he's too brainwashed to understand that the citizen needs better tech to keep their ass in check.
Wonder what NSA had on him?
Good. We can start tapping our public servants telephone and Internet connections. Thanks for the green light Judge. You'll be first on the list. Remember, it's legal.
Apparently he was already on the list.
What an irony to someone enforcing law. I'll bet the monetary offering will not cover his global exposure on the fast track of personal resentment. Who wants to bet that this judge takes his life in a mysterious circumstance?
This is the quality of the Federal Bench
Hope you had a great Christmas. ;)
My response to the "Judge":
He's a traitorous cunt and this is exactly why revolutions happen. When all 3 branches of government are corrupt and there's no longer any course of resolution for unconstitutional behaviors by government.
Roll the motherfucking guillotines!!
Sorry, the revolution has been pre-empted by the latest pro footbal spectacle and the masses are busy storming the gates of Walmart and lining up for the McRib special price.
The Mc Rib:
The bun alone contains 34 ingredients, says Meredith Melnick at TIME. In addition to chemicals like ammonium sulfate and polysorbate 80, the most egregious may be azodicarbonamide — "a flour-bleaching agent most commonly used in the manufactur[ing] of foamed plastics like gym mats and the soles of shoes." According to McDonald's own ingredient list, the bun also includes calcium sulfate and ethoxylated mono- and diglycerides, among other chemicals.
So what's the meat made of?
Pig innards and plenty of salt. Typically, "restructured meat product" includes pig bits like tripe, heart, and scalded stomach, says Whet Moser at Chicago Magazine, citing a 1995 article by Robert Mandigo, a professor at the University of Nebraska. These parts are cooked and blended with salt and water to extract salt-soluble proteins, which act as a "glue" that helps bind the reshaped meat together.
Can I super size that?
Go find another judge that determines the action to be "illegal". Isn't that how the game is played?
Seems to me that all of our" intelligence" gathering folks are so busy inventing and or cherry picking information in order to give the administration the answer that they wanted all along. They have the answers they want to display, they just need to peice together all the evidence to match in order to justify their "Grand Plan". Didn't something like that happen during Vietnam? How'd that policy work out of America then?
It was working out until a shit load of Americans took to the streets. Unlike today when Americans take to the streets, e.g. Occupy, many cheer the thugs that bash them. Were you at either?
Looks like the ACLU has finally been exposed for what it is. A trojan horse. They intentionally botch legal claims and omit facts to give the appearance that some gov't intrusion is legit. The presstitutes then pronounce the court finding as settled law so the sheeple get in line. ACLU EXISTS AS GOVT DAMAGE CONTROL.
"The judge dismissed a lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union. The ACLU didn't immediately respond to a message for comment."
The mind takes on some scary twists and turns.
Trending.....
It's legal because we say it's legal....Got it?
Now shut up.
GLTA
Like I said, there is no "law" or "Constitution" or "United States" since the position of "executor of the laws" (POTUS) was Usurped by the domestic enemy British subject (born of a British subject father, thus not natural born Citizen) Hussein Obama. The beatings will continue until the filth is washed from the WH and the halls of Congress, and every one of these filthy traitor judges is kicked off the bench for failing to protect the Constitution.
@MickV
And then everything will be sunshine and roses cause after all wasn't it that way before that mean ol POTUS. Cause we didn't never have no corruption before him. It was all nice and wunerfullllllll.
Or maybe just another government tool to keep the fires burning under the devisiveness memes to sabotage the legitimacy of what the comments on this site once were and what they have now become. A playground for pathetic ignorance attempting to keep the bogeyman fears aflame.
Cause ya know we kinda had this spy thingy goin on um like kinda back during watergate and Hoovers reign and even before that. But hell that was O.K. right?
mick -- What if Obama were born in Iowa, let's say, to Caucasian-American parents and ran for President as a Log Cabin (gay) Republican? If his actions were the same as the real Obama, he would still be a war-mongering proponent of the spy-state.
As for the judges, the same type judges exist throughout the system, appointees of Reagan, the Bushes, Obama, Carter and Clinton. How you gonna round them all up?
Judges apparenetly no longer make rulings based on the law. Instead they just weave a bunch of rationalizations and then decide what they personally think is reasonable. Judge = political hack more times than not.
Completely fukkin crooked. It's time to leave the USA if you can't overthrow your slave-masters. The judge lied & the ruling is itself unlawful.
Just another day in Amerika!
"As the September 11th attacks demonstrate, the cost of missing such a thread can be horrific". Really? The US was warned on numerous occassions by German, French and Italian secret services that something was going to happen in NY and DC around the 10th of September 2001 involving landmark sites. What does the US do? Sends Norad on an excercise.The US has been in a state of emergency ever since 911.
"Conventional intelligence gathering cannot detect diffuse filaments to counter the bold jujitsu." Who's writing this shit, ananonymous?
I find his decision aPAULEYing!
From his photo he looks terrified.
Are rulings made under duress legal?
We now have a face for the Joker on the US criminal deck.. I am literally
sick to my stomach. Another guy that takes an oath and will not keep it. Can we get this guys license to pratice law revoked. Would this even get rid of a bribed judge?
The stupid MFer cannot even read 222 years, 222years..
Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the
place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
What do you suppose the NSA has on all these people who make these ridiculous judgements.
Roberts turned tail overnight, this is how liberty is lost.
The modern day Knight's Templar are running open loop.
Time to revisit another episode of King Philip IV's confrontation with them?
And for those who haven't heard/seen:
All Wars are Bankers Wars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfEBupAeo4
the NSA and FBI have to be able to do the post mortem... you know like on Boston, Fort Hood, Benghazi, 9/11, .... but they never seem to PREVENT any strikes... even when they get warned 6 times in advance (3 by saudi intel and 3 by russian intel) ... by a 9/11 paid informer .... by the jihadi remarks made by the Fort Hood jihadi... the call by Al Zawahiri for an attack in Libya, on and on... the same old shit. the NSA program has nada to do with terror... its all about domestic spying, profiling, and advanced targeting... the judge shoudl keep his opinion to himself and read the constitution... more legislation from the bench...
No surprise that this rumpot gave his seal of approval to the NSA's blanket wiretapping program. After all, he is a Bill Clinton federal bench appointment. Pauley "was a law clerk, Office of the Nassau County Attorney, New York from 1977 to 1978. He was a Deputy county attorney of Nassau County Attorney' Office, New York in 1978." Pauley couldn't even make it in the Nassau County DA's office, an office filled with incompetents busy prosecuting traffic offenses and pot drug arrests back then. And now also, though the county crime lab had to close down when an investigation found current crooked DA Rice convicting people on falsified drug and alcohol tests.
Was it under Calvin Coolidge that Hoover was appointed head of FBI. Can't remember.
Pauley's also the POS who gave nothing but a slap on the wrist to Israeli spy Ben-Ami Kadish. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/30/nyregion/30kadish.html?_r=0
Kick this traitor judge out of the country! He is a traitor to hundreds of years of American history, he is the vanguard of the new Orwellian police state. He justifies the end of our liberty so that corporate police state power can expand until we all live at the whim of the political parties, the banks, the corporate entities and wall-street. Hiding behind the words "free market", "capitalism", "democracy" and "national security", they lie in order to expand their power and wealth transfer. They seek to sow fear among people that the police know your every action and thought and that they can and will kick your door down when the politicians order it done. What do you say to a so called Judge, who claims that no American is any longer subject to the constitution?
Remember this scum. He is well paid for his work for the police state of America. Any fool who still claims to be free is a complete fucking whack job.
From the looks of him, my theory is that "they" found some child porn on his computer and blackmailed him. "They" being the party he ruled in favor of.
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Wood chipper, feet first, followed by "burial at sea" by flushing his stinking remains down the shitter.
I wouldn't assume to know this man's job or his ability to do it based on his picture. I would consider the boom organized crime has been having laundering their profits in NYC since 1980, in exchange for toning it down a little in the neighborhood. Perhaps he could do more. ;)
One poster mentioned 9/11 as the usual justification. Soon people will be tired of hearing 9/11. You know what that means don't you? Your CIA, your Mossad and your Saudi intelligence with the help of the worlds biggest cock suking lap dog nation on earth, the united kingdom, will engineer a mass casualty event in order to end all civil rights for ever. They will step in to protect us after Mossad and the Saudi scum kill a few thousand more of us Americans so they can justify a complete corporate police state for ever. The US intelligence agencies need only say the word and Mossad and it's friends and pals from Saudi Arabia will kill Americans in a fake terror attack. These people respect no human life, see Syria for an example of how they operate. America's and Israel's Al-Qaeda terror army will be turned lose against Americans and then we will all cry for protection. The invasion of Iran will start before the smoke settles on the Mossad terror act.
Think for a minute. What is Mossad prepared to do in order to maintain America as it's military bitch? They need us, we don't need them. In order to make us be their slaves, requires a big fake terror war. The next thing coming will have it's roots inside Israel. If you think I am wrong, then tell me a reason why Israel would NOT do this? And I will list of the reasons why they WOULD do this. I believe I would win hands down.
When government gains control over the people, the slaughter always follows.
It has nothing to do with Mossad and everything to do with citizens afraid to speak out.
The last link to gaining full control is to quash dissent.
Don't even for one, New York second, prop up or defend the Mossad. Just don't go there.
The Nuremberg Laws were "legal" too.
I hate to burst your bubble, but there is no easter bunny, the tooth fairy does not exist and American Justice is no longer found in the courts.
Another old time ZHer, haven't seen you in a while. Shit ain't getting any better, is it?
"...as nothing is more apt to imperil civil liberties than the success of a terrorist attack on American soil."
I tend to disagree as LAWS THAT DESTROY CIVIL LIBERTIES are more apt to imperil civil liberties.
Major Frank Burns once said on an episode of MASH, "The way I see it, unless we each conform, unless we obey orders, unless we follow our leaders blindly, there is no possible way we can remain free."
No surprise there. Why should we expect otherwise?
I came across this last night. Amazing all those contractors who do intel work here and abroad.
Company suspected of criminal gang ties in anti-drug police bribery case
The company involved in a bribery case being brought against Jari Aarnio, head of the Helsinki police drug squad, is suspected of ties to a notorious criminal group in Finland, reports the daily Helsingin Sanomat Sunday.
http://yle.fi/uutiset/daily_company_suspected_of_criminal_gang_ties_in_anti-drug_police_bribery_case/6938502
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The mainstream daily Helsingin Sanomat reported that the equipment supplier Trevoc is partly owned by an investment company established by a close relative of the ringleader of the United Brotherhood crime gang.
According to the daily, Trevoc sold surveillance equipment to the police, and is partly owned by an investment company set up by the sister of the head of the United Brotherhood.
The daily also reported that the head of the crime group had also maintained a close relationship with accused anti-drug chief Jari Aarnio for a number of years.
The Helsinki District Court took Aarnio and three other men into custody on suspicion of accepting bribes and a conflict of interest. One of the detainees is a petty officer in the Finnish Security Police, Supo.
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Here is what Trevoc does in the US and is incorporated in Delaware.
http://macico.com/consortium/
Trevoc is a Finnish professional intelligence gathering and surveillance solutions provider for homeland security market in Europe and US.
Trevoc products are in constant use in the professional law enforcement segment, providing users smooth and secure flow of information from various hostile environments. Cost effective and secure surveillance information helps law enforcement agencies (LEA)and intelligence organizations to project force in places and events which matters the most.
Many of the Trevoc employees have served in law enforcement or the intelligence segment for decades, enabling Trevoc to combine cutting edge technology and solid operative experience. Clients of the company include LEAs, intelligence agencies as well as other professional organizations.
What good is a Constitution when the gubmint ignores it?
And the Founders thought they were soooo smart with the checks and balances set up. Checks and balances ain't worth shit.
The alternative's are much worse. It is incumbent on the people to hold elected officials responsible for their actions. We have not done that for some time. I am not willing to forgo the constitution in leu of criminals because everybody is doing it. Freedom's worth should not be determined by the few in power. You will find it continually devalued.
The cliche, "freedom is not free" and variations there of have been interpreted as some sort of call to patriotic arms when really it means that the people have to be responsible for their choices so that government, under the guise of "doing good", does not fill the vacuum of individual responsibilities. Because government will fill that void naturally every time.
So when you say what good is the constitution when they ignore it, they interpret that as submission. The same when you say, "checks and balances don't mean shit". That as well is interpreted as submission.
Of course we know how the system is gamed and it seems like there is no way to force them to adhere to the constitution but if we believe that then it is over and we have given our consent to tyranny. You're not going to find anything better than our imperfect constitution. It's worth a lot. Look at it through the lens of history and the future and see the real value.
We are weak as a people and a nation. Yes we have the most formidable military in the world, and thank God because we spoiled, weak, and have no will power or restraint. We can't live within our means, we fawn over ourselves on FB, shallow and insecure beings. There is a reason they are getting away with it, we are complacent. When the people are hurting and pissed off enough to rebel as a nation, it will be too late.
Two points, your honor. #1, where in the 4th Amendment to the Constitution does it mention a waiver of probable cause if/when the government decides to spy on its own people. And #2, instead of issuing this unconstitutional ruling, since you're basing your decision in part on the flimsy "official story" of 9/11 and Al Quieda, why didn't you demand release of the 28 redacted pages that specify a "state sponsor" for the deed (with hot money on the Saudi's Israelis, or both)?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/12/22/congress-cites-911-bush-cover-up...
Could be the entire reason for all the spying is not as advertised and in any case, American citizens have something to say about this and it's not "Okee Dokie".
Another wanker liberal ignoring the written law and 'feeling' what the law should be.
Fuckers.
The USSA Judiciary itself is illegal.
And the psycho-lookin' jerk in the photo is a prime exhibit.
And another thing that really bugs me:
What's with the faux-typewriter look to the border around the names at the top?
Pauley's phone lines are open.
Chambers Phone: (212) 805-6387
Not surprised at all.
"as nothing is more apt to imperil civil liberties than the success of a terrorist attack on American soil"
Now, how in the hell did this idiot not see the irony in his own words? A sucessful terrorist attack has already greatly imperiled civil liberties and this clown says, "Ooooh-tay!" Disbar this prick.
Ewwwwww. I'd say some men-in-black paid this guy a visit.
This is one maniacal-looking SOB.
Probably likes fava beans with his chianti.
Sure it's legal! And I'm sure it's legal to search every house for drugs, since one in fifty is sure to have some contraband!
Just don't look for guns though. Here in Amerika the only right we take seriously these days is the second amendment, even though the peashooters we are allowed to own (even the assault weapons) won't do anyone any good in case Uncle Sam wants to take you out.
Sure it's legal! And I'm sure it's legal to search every house for drugs, since one in fifty is sure to have some contraband!
Just don't look for guns though. Here in Amerika the only right we take seriously these days is the second amendment, even though the peashooters we are allowed to own (even the assault weapons) won't do anyone any good in case Uncle Sam wants to take you out.
"The choice between liberty and security is a false one."
As Franklin pointed out, it is the belief that security can be purchased by forfeit of liberty which is false.
Where did they get this wierd fucker pretending to be a judge?
This may not be a popular thing to say around here, but I don't think he's wrong. I mean, don't misunderstand, he (and this decision) is part of the problem, but I think we're all misidentifying the problem.
Fundamentally, handing over the telephone number you want to call to a third party pretty much destroys any reasonable expectation of privacy. If you hand a letter to a friend to deliver it for you, you have to expect that they're going to read the return address and the delivery address. If the police ask that person who gave them the letter and where it was addressed to, and they vountarily tell the police....well then what's the problem, LEGALLY speaking?
The problem is that this is no longer the most reasonable test. The problem is that in the modern world, it is far too easy through technology to collect and collate this information. In the modern world, the government is overly powerful and influential such that a request for such information is essentially irresistable by any company, even those that might have honest intentions.
Is it reasonable to expect privacy in the center of a 30000 acre ranch under a forest canopy? I think we can agree it is. What about if there's a drone flying overhead with FLIR cameras? Does that make it okay to do that? No, it shouldn't. Technology's effects on our rights should not err on the side of government...it should err on the side of protecting individuals' rights above all. Our interpretations should protect individual rights even above individual safety. If we don't have rights, we cannot be truly safe.
These morons don't seem to realsize there are likely people out there making lists of traitors to be delt with when the time is right.
No, really.
asshole ...