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Jobless Claims - The Economic Miracle That Wasn't

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The noise in the jobless claims data over the past few months has been unprecedented and yet the impressive jump lower in recent weeks has been trumpeted as the all-clear for Tapering and as a signal that the recovery is 'real' this time. Except, thanks to a huge 'glitch' in Florida's new CONNECT unemployment claims website, the data is completely FUBAR...


Via The Miami Herald,

The story so far...

Florida’s ongoing claims for unemployment benefits plummeted to the lowest level in six years from mid-October to early December. The average of 20,000 fewer weekly claims from the prior nine weeks represents a plunge of 18 percent, the sharpest decline in 15 years.


Yet rather than herald an improving job market, chalk up Florida’s shrinking claims numbers instead to the troubled debut of the state’s unemployment claims website, CONNECT.

And echoing Obamacare's SNAFU...

Since its October launch, the $63 million website has been plagued by glitches, sowing confusion and despair among many of the 235,000 claimants who file every other week to help pay for essentials like food and rent.


Difficulties in logging on or navigating CONNECT have precluded thousands from collecting.

With significant implications...

I’m about to be thrown out on the street,” said Allen Schwalb of Seminole, who was laid off from a warehouse job in October but as of this week had yet to receive any benefits despite many attempts to file. “The state now owes me $1,400 for eight weeks of unemployment. I don’t know what I will do if I don’t receive it soon.”




Upon going live Oct. 15, the CONNECT site struggled anyway.


Unemployment offices were packed with those who said they couldn’t log on. Phone lines were jammed. Calls were dropped. Frustration grew.

To which the government first denied...

Some of the press stories about CONNECT have been incomplete and focused on a narrative that is more likely to grab readers than to accurately report facts,” Panuccio told the Senate’s Commerce and Tourism Committee on Nov. 4.

Then admitted...

By December, however, Panuccio conceded all was not going well. The project was no longer meeting expectations. He posted messages on the DEO’s website acknowledging difficulties.

Which means, simply, the data is useless and the people who need it the most are not getting it...

The drop in claims is so dramatic and so precisely coincides with the launching of CONNECT that there can be no other explanation,” Greenfield said. “This is having an effect on a huge group of people. We’re very disappointed in the length of time it’s taken to get these people their benefits.”




Florida is notoriously tight-fisted when it comes to unemployment benefits, which makes CONNECT’s failings even more glaring.


“Florida in the last few years has made it virtually impossible to access benefits,” said Maurice Emsellem, a staff director with the National Employment Law Project. “The digital divide is a reality, so why on earth would you require to register online? It’s not fair access.”

But it's going to get worse...

Florida is one of six states that provides job-seekers fewer than 26 weeks of coverage. Now offering 19 weeks, Florida will drop to 16 weeks starting in January. Under Florida law, the lower the unemployment rate (which has fallen to 6.4 percent), the fewer weeks of compensation an unemployed person receives.


Once federal unemployment compensations expire, coverage for Ewing and 73,000 other Floridians is immediately eliminated.

It's a narrative we hear all too often - failure of big government, deny, deny, deny, small admission... but any good headline is clung to and any naysayer shrugged off as meaningless, racist, or a doomsayer...



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Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:53 | 4283827 Seize Mars
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All of this idiocy, inefficiency, callousness and plain old evil, is the State at work.

Remember, your ownership of fiat dollars means you have confidence in this system.

Think about it.

If you hold fiat dollars, you are endorsing this behavior.

If you dont like these people or what they do, then get out of fiat dollars. Do it now.

The State: ideas so good, they need to force you. (TM)


Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:13 | 4283846 AssFire
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If you like being unemployed, you can stay unemployed....

(The only promise he'll keep when the feds. step in and extend the benefits again)

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:19 | 4283866 knukles
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They told us the numbers were reliable and everything was A-OK.

So I'm now supposed to...
Yes, litle Knukie, another Glitch in the System
Nothing to see, hear, eat, wear or live in, but not to worry.
It's all OK

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:21 | 4283871 Xibalba
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It's always Florida, isn't it? 

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:30 | 4283882 kaiserhoff
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No, sometimes it's Calipornia, or even Joisy, or Deeetroit...,

  but there are trends and patterns.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:44 | 4283930 Bad Attitude
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Old: "It's Bush's fault."

New: "It's the website's fault."

Forward (over the cliff)!

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:58 | 4283955 DoChenRollingBearing
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Forward into 2014!  Gold, junk silver, Bitcoin, Energy, "White Swans", my take on geopolitics (and US politics) and my own little spiritual journey...  Thoughts, not predictions!

"Thinking About 2014"

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:47 | 4283934 ZerOhead
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If they could only abolish unemployment benefits entirely then there would be no new claims and Obama's recovery could be the complete success we all know it to be...

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 09:56 | 4284909 GeezerGeek
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I did some IT work for Florida's Department of Banking & Finance back in the mid-1990s, The state's IT was messed up then, they blew vast amounts of money on non-functional systems over the ensuing years, and apparently they're still doing it. There is insufficient reason to worry about failure in Tallahassee, or for that matter any other state capitol. 

Let's just lay it all at Bush's feet. Jeb, that it. And the current (Republican) governor is up for reelection this coming fall (perhaps running against the former "I was a Republican before I was a Democrat" governor) , so it would be great to have miniscule unemployment statistics. Meanwhile, there are plenty of jobs in lawn maintenance services here, although I have several times been accused, good-naturedly, by some of them who see me cutting my own grass and claiming that I'm taking money out of their pockets. 


Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:20 | 4283876 kaiserhoff
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It's the new math, knuks, not for volk like us.

If you want the books to balance, you are not part of the free shit army.

Over the river and through the woods, or into the river and over a cliff?

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:23 | 4283885 knukles
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Meanwhile the New Potentates of Versailles enjoy airfacre chartered flights home for the hoilidays stocked with Dom Perignon and caviar.

Happy New Year and Blessings, Kaiser....

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:26 | 4283893 kaiserhoff
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thanks kucks, same back at you.

We survived another year.  Is that a blessing or a curse?

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:01 | 4284049 knukles
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Well, Kaiser, so far nobody's wished me "interesting times" so I assume it's a blessing.  Maybe in disguise, but we're here.  Like Here, sitting watching the decline and fall of Pax Americana, the End of Empire right before our very eyes, day by day, little by little, realizing what's happening while most of those around us just figure things have changed a teenie tiny bit overnight but it ain't so bad....
When in fact, we're some of the only "red pilliars" (pun not intended, but pretty damned good if I do say so myself...) of society who recognize.


And even more scarily.
TPTB recognize it, too or else all the things being done like the stuff AJ told us about years ago, come true, the bullets, the laws, the loss of due process, the wholesale theft by the oligarchs...
It's all true and happening right here in River City, my friend.

They know all too well.
That's why the Propaganda Mechanism touts the lies it does.
As Lord Snowden said just the other day on his Ch4 world address; "It's worse than 1984"

They know and are afraid.

To paraphrase the Book of James "Even demons fear God and shudder"  Well, seems as though the TBTB fear the future and shudder....

Hmmmm... a play of good and evil of Veritable Biblical Proportions unfolds before our Very Eyes

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 23:06 | 4284397 OutLookingIn
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Just like John said; 

Just sitting here, watching the wheels go round.

I really like to watch them roll. Until they fall off! Not long now!


Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:15 | 4283862 Dick Buttkiss
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If you like your fiat dollars, you can keep your fiat dollars.

For everyone else, there's . . .


Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:44 | 4283927 Race Car Driver
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"Oh, look honey, there's one of them Bitcoin bums. Should we stop?"

"Keep driving, dear."

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 23:06 | 4284189 Dick Buttkiss
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No fiat currency has ever stood the test of time, the average being less than 30 years — — which is well beyond the more than 40 years that the Federal Reserve Note has been pure fiat. 

It's fate is assured, in other words, while that of Bitcoin (or an improvement thereon) is not, and in fact shows great promise.

So along with gold and silver, one should hedge one's bets with the knowledge that, whether physical or digital, money will at long ast be extracted from the clutches of government and returned to the people, where it belongs.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:15 | 4283981 caShOnlY
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"The state now owes me $1,400 for eight weeks of unemployment"

Need we say anymore?

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:05 | 4284056 Sudden Debt
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exactly... how do you survive for 8 weeks on 1400$....

how is it possible that anybody doesnmt has savigs to bridge 8 weeks...

what about saving 50% of your salary. and of you can't... well that's also a simple one: look for a better job.


Well, for example:

I was walking on the Christmas fair and there where all these young people who build a drinking stand, food stand, ... about 175 stands. fantastic.

All making money. And the investment cost? A few hundred bucks to start.
Business was booming and half of the people was drunk and ate to much.

So why do you still hear that "there are no jobs"? Create one god damned!

The problem is, that people don't want to start small. They think taht when you start a business you need a big car and at least 5 employees and they don't have the money for it...

but all the big businesses started small, And not every business needs to become a multi million/billion thing. Not everything needs to be facebook or Amazon.

I don't believe in unemployment. I only believe in lazyness.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 21:35 | 4284213 Popo
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While what you say is mostly true, and I agree with you -- it's also true that the State prevents people from just setting up shop and selling things. These things require licenses, permits, fees, etc. If the State wants to help they should get out of the way entirely when it comes to a person's basic right to open a small business enterprise.

In many countries (particularly in Asia and Latin America), there are food stalls everywhere because the government does not attempt to regulate this 'most basic' business. It is seen as a natural right. In the US, selling homemade food, wares, crafts, etc, on the street exists only in the most limited fashion at randomly scheduled places and times.

The government needs to deregulate the bottom of the business food chain and let people help themselves.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 22:24 | 4284311 ronaldawg
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An enterprising soul can do what the ever enterprising illegal immigrants (12 million plus) do - as soon as the government arrives, pick up shop and move somewhere else and start again - eventually you get so good at creating a business you can navigate the red-tape that the bureaucratic left has set up for us all.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 01:31 | 4284585 Richard Chesler
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The government needs to deregulate the bottom of the business food chain and let people help themselves.

You're in for a surprise.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:36 | 4283870 UH-60 Driver
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Since you mentioned fiat dollars...

Did anyone see Mothman vs Godzilla?  Who yuan?  ror...

I hold a lot of fiat dollars, and an asswackton of euro too.  I carry and need both every damn day of my life to exist comfortably.  I have a bunch of gold and silver in my safe doing nothing...  fiat seems to be working.

What we need here is a catalyst...  anyone have an idea?

ETA:  Yes I know yuan is the money of China, but I could not think of another way to mention a different fiat money...Yen...there...I did it!  I metioned four different types of fiat money.  Too funny, kinda like "funny money"?  Does that count as five?  Okay, I feel like I am pounding (sterling) a dead horse.  (That's six now.)

Good night.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:34 | 4283903 LetThemEatRand
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"All of this idiocy, inefficiency, callousness and plain old evil, is the State at work."

Merger of the State and large corporations.  Our governor (Rick Scott) made hundreds of millions in Columbia/HCA, from which he resigned in disgrace after the company was found to have been bilking Medicare/Medicaid.   And by "resign in disgrace" I mean he resigned and was paid several hundred million dollars between a "settlement" and stock options.  The company pleaded guilty to several felonies, but Rick Scott "somehow" escaped blame and became our esteemed governor.   

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:26 | 4283999 I need Another Beer
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I know that feeling, here in Ga we have 2 Democrat Senators and a Demo Guv. There is no way I can vote for the slime[they claim to be Repubslimes].

I now only support the Convention of the States and Libertarians[ and always the "NRA"].

I have given up on both parties since they are realy one.

All my family live in Fl and they have no clue how they have been used, but, its hard to feel sorry for STUPID people.

I am so depressed, I am thinking about whiskey more than beer

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:36 | 4283914 Jumbotron
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As a Florida resident since 1994 I can say this with some authority.  Just like Obamacare....this was a planned screw-up.  Rick Scott ran as a Republican with a libertarian bent.  But he's just another Ayn Randian who looks at people as fodder for the Crony Capitalist machine.  And on top of that he gives Libertarians a bad name simply because he is incompetent. the way....he's also a crook.  No suprise there.  Most Ayn Randians either are or turn out to most are psychopaths like Rand herself.  Alan Greenspan comes to mind.  Scott was thrown out of the company he ran, Columbia/HCA when it came to light they had defrauded Medicaid to the tune of nearly 2 billion dollars.  But of course as happens with most Crony Capitalists he got a nice 10 million dollar severence package....on top of stock options worth 300 million.....and if you can believe this....a 1 million dollar a year "consulting" contract.


So in similar fashion to John Kerry......Scott was defrauding Medicaid before he became an advocate in destroying it. most Randian crooks do after they are disgraced from the private sector......they go into politics.

Rick Scott is Florida's George W. Bush.  The problem going forward is....he is setting up for his defeat at the hands of former Republican governor of Florida now Obamanite Charlie Crist.

But hey....the people of Florida voted Scott in......they deserved what they got.  And they will just as deservingly get Charlie Crist back in under another banner.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:23 | 4283992 buzzsaw99
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typical maggot

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 22:21 | 4284302 ronaldawg
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Jumbotron off his meds again - a total complete utter fool.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:30 | 4284007 jcaz
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Charlie ain't coming back- his boy-toy gets too much publicity these days.....

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 02:37 | 4284628 the0ther
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And Rick Scott looks like a human snake hybrid. Wish a giant eagle would swoop down and devour that POS.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:47 | 4283932 negative rates
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But simply by voting, you agree to all the things politicians do, so fiat is moot at this point in time.   

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 23:23 | 4284417 Anusocracy
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Voting, the mainstay of idiocracy.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 00:26 | 4284522 Mugatu
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I wanna know when ZH will send me my residual check for use of this clip!

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 09:55 | 4284912 taketheredpill
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Assuming they use same methodology to calculate State Unemployment rate as National (given up looking for work=not part of labor force=Unemployment rate falls) then number of weeks of Benefits available should drop to Zero around the time the last person in the State (not working for Government) loses their job.


Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:54 | 4283828 JustObserving
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Florida, not coincidentally, is shaped like a penis for a reason.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:43 | 4283922 nmewn
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Always wondered why Key West appeared that way.

Thanks! ;-)

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:51 | 4284032 lakecity55
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Now we know why such a gay crowd loves the Keys.......

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:46 | 4283928 Miss Expectations
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--->Florida shaped like a penis

--->Manhattan shaped like a penis

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 23:29 | 4284435 Anusocracy
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---> Back of B. Frank's mouth shaped like a penis.

---> B. Bernanke is a penis.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 22:01 | 4284257 SolarSystem1932
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Check a larger map. Florida is a weapon of another type. More like a ruger.

"Welcome to the gunshine state".

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 22:03 | 4284260 DoChenRollingBearing
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I have that t-shirt!

"We don't dial 9-1-1"

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 23:31 | 4284440 James
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The correct pronunciation of Florida is actually Fraudida.

We have more Floridiots per sq. mile than anywhere else.

When visiting our State and talking to the locals the term Floriduh applies.

The guy who made "No Tresspassing" signs went bankrupt. However, the guy who makes "We don't call 911"signs is doing quite well.

I truly believe that crooked politicians get their training at a hotel conference room in Boca Raton.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 10:03 | 4284921 GeezerGeek
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"We have more Floridiots..."

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (Ditsy When-Speaking) resembles that. Democrat, Florida. And the geezers in her district helped vote her back into Congress despite the major cuts to Medicare.  

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:57 | 4283832 max2205
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Moar Cowbell

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:51 | 4283938 Ignatius
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File under "I'm gonna piss on ya and tell ya it's raining."

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:07 | 4283834 ISEEIT
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"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

The future was foretold, often in fairytales, later in novels, stories, films.

Now as 'news'.


Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:04 | 4283837 Shad_ow
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The government isn't running out of entitlement funds, you just can't access them.   Brilliant I tell  you, brilliant. 

Healthcare will cost less after all.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:06 | 4283838 FredFlintstone
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What IS keeping all of this detritus afloat? The Fed can only be doing so much.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:05 | 4283840 UH-60 Driver
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Holy Sheet!  Time to move to Germany...  I've been here now for four months enjoying a lot of good beer.  I planned on moving back to my home state of Alaska, but that area looks like it will be off limits for the next 60 years.  Can anyone recommend a good geiger counter?

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:47 | 4284026 lakecity55
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Stay in Germany.

There are bound to be lots of bomb shelters left from the Cold War and WW2.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:09 | 4283843 666
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Unemployment statistics can be ignored because the gubmint says the economy is doing great and the recovery is well under way, right?


Boy, it's getting harder and harder to write sarcasm like that without wetting my pants.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:11 | 4283847 ebworthen
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No worries, CONgress will just cut any extensions and shorten unemployment further.

They'll push people to minimum wage meat grinder jobs at McD's and WalMart or throw them onto S.S. Disability and EBT.

If you count fewer as unemployed you can pretend the FED gravy slathered all over Wall Street helped employment while maintaining ZIRP and punishing savers and retirees.

I tell you, assets are being bled out of people faster than a slit jugular.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:17 | 4283867 kaiserhoff
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And the drug trade expands to fill the void.

No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:17 | 4283868 Cumulus Nimbus
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Yeah, like I read elsewhere they are about to cut benefits for 1.3 million come new year. Happy 2014 sheeple!

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:13 | 4283857 I am Jobe
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Amerika the Greatest nation on Earth. Yeap , heard that in Texas. More pussies now live in TX especially around Austin.  

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:19 | 4283872 Pure Evil
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Florida is notoriously tight-fisted when it comes to unemployment benefits..........they're also notoriously tightfisted when it comes to paying regular wages.

I'm always told by prospective employers that the cost of living in Florida is low compared to the rest of the United States when they lowball me on wage compensation.

I reply by saying that getting paid in Sunshine will not put food on the table or pay the rent.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:37 | 4283917 nmewn
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Damned straight!

And there are mosquitoes the size of birds (more like winged wraiths really) coming out of the swamps at sunset...and venomous snakes & spiders & alligators everywhere...and sinkholes, shit you can't believe the sinkholes...they open up without warning and swallow your entire house whole!!!...real wrath of God type stuff happens down there.

Anyone would be a complete idiot to live there.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:33 | 4284008 nickt1y
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No state income tax!

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:38 | 4284018 Uber Vandal
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Don't forget the bugs, water never gets cold, bugs, mold, bugs, humidity, bugs, constant rain, bugs, did I mention bugs?


Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:16 | 4284075 nmewn
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And hurricanes, sandspurs and oh yeah, the damned bugs. Nothing likes to eat love bugs, except vehicle grills & windshields, they're almost like the perfect Krugman model of Keynesian theory unleashed from the bowels of hell.

Its a known fact that everything that can torment, bite, prick, devour, annoy, poison or kill you does in fact, reside in Florida.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:41 | 4284022 lakecity55
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The only times I worked in FLA I was on union scale.

It was TDY.

That place is a slave state, man.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:20 | 4283878 surf0766
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As long as this is news after the personal binge season all is well.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:25 | 4283883 nmewn
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All's well.

Please people, stay in your homes and off the street.



(For their own profit)

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:28 | 4283896 Racer
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They have hit new lows in ways to get the unemployment rate down, at least seasonally adjusted just meant pretend made up numbers, this is affecting real people

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:34 | 4283909 EasterBunny
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Haha, how telling; the liars name is Panuccio. Wonder if his nose grew when he lied. Poor Uncle Gipetto; he must be so disappointed

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:35 | 4283912 MFLTucson
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They can only decive for so long!

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:44 | 4283926 kchrisc
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According to Winston Smith from the Department of Records in the Ministry of Truth, there is no unemployment, never has been. Ditto on price inflation.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:09 | 4283972 ncdirtdigger
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Green shoots baby! I'm going outside and rack the shotgun.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:26 | 4283997 MickV
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Just a couple days ago the Herald had a headline about the inprovement in unemployment in Fl.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:26 | 4283998 buzzsaw99
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The state now owes me $1,400...

Yeah, yeah, but isn't it really the WORLD THAT OWES YOU!!??

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:51 | 4284033 MickV
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MSLSD is getting ahead of this for the Domestic enemy Usurper Obama. Apparently unemployment benefits "benefit" the economy.


Sun, 12/29/2013 - 21:07 | 4284159 TheMeatTrapper
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The state now owes me $1,400 for eight weeks of unemployment.


The "State" (that is, people like me that figure out how to work for a living), doesn't owe you a damn thing. Period. 

I do not owe any man anything. I do not owe him a paycheck. I do not owe him tater chips. I do not owe him medicine. I do not owe him an education. 

I may choose to help him, of my own free will, but I do not "owe" him anything. 

The squirrel is not owed a nut. The tree is not owed water.

The entitlement mentality is so strongly rooted in the people of this country it's pathetic. 


Sun, 12/29/2013 - 22:56 | 4284380 bilejones
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Hard to argue with this............

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 23:11 | 4284404 DriveByLurker
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I'll bet the state systems worked just fine when they were collecting taxes while this guy was employed.  Assuming that he held up his end of the bargain, then the State *does* owe him.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 23:57 | 4284481 TheMeatTrapper
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Assuming that he held up his end of the bargain..

Exactly what "bargain" is that and when did I get a chance to opt out? You are insinuating that some sort of contract was entered into. Nothing of the sort ever happened. 

Politicians promised shit they couldn't deliver to people who don't produce in return for their vote. 

According to your "logic", if the members of ZeroHedge held a vote and passed a law decreeing that we would seize your home and bank account and redistribute it amonst ourselves, as long as we showed up for work, then as long as "we uphold our end of the bargain", we are entitled to your wealth. 

Spare me your simple minded spin. We all see through it for what it is - forcible robbery to benefit people such as yourselves under the color of law. 

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 00:59 | 4284550 DriveByLurker
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Imagine that I advertise a reward contract, "Reward: $500 for  the return of missing object X", and that you find object X and return it to me.   Even though you and I did not sit down and haggle over the terms, the courts would enforce that contract, and I think you would feel ripped off if I tried to weasle out of it, even though the terms were set by me unilaterally.  


I suggest that this guy may (key word "may") be in a similar position, that the State has unilaterally said, "We are going to force you and your employer to participate in the mandatory unemployment insurance system, and in return for us confiscating a premium as an employment tax,  you will be able to draw benefits if - after the requisite number of months on a payroll - you then find yourself unemployed."  


That's the situation that would make this especially galling...if the collecting taxes end of the system works (which I suspect it does) and only the disbursement side were to be broken.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 00:55 | 4284548 Oldwood
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Unemployment claims are paid by the employer. Most employers hired employees with an understanding that the law mandated 26 weeks, not 99 or infinity. If they keep pushing this shit off on employers there will be no jobs.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 05:44 | 4284706 Disenchanted
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Unemployment Insurance...Who has an interest in keeping funds already paid in to UI by private employers, instead of paying them out to the jobless?

cui bono...

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 21:33 | 4284202 tony bonn
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these computer outages are designed to hurt people who need food and necessities...those satan worshipping assholes in florida government can burn in hell....the bush crime syndicate wins again....

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 21:39 | 4284221 dexter_morgan
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Bush? LOL - fucking get a clue troll. He musta fucked up Obamacare too, right. Fucking idiot clown.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 09:50 | 4284899 rsnoble
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DOW 18k at 6% Unemployment.  That's all that matters. 

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 10:28 | 4284966 Toolshed
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I doubt that any of the readers leaving negative comments about this article have lived in Florida in recent years. Florida has turned to absolute shit. I have lived here most of my life and, while it has had it's serious problems in the past, the era of Scott has been a complete disaster. You all remeber Governor Scott. He is the criminal asshole that pleaded the fifth over 50 times at one deposition. He was the ceo of a big healthcare chain that was dilligently defrauding medicare and medicaid and got caught. Scott, being a rich weasel fuck, bought his way out of that mess, just like he bought his way into office. Scott is a criminal whose activities have harmed millions of innocent citizens. He has done his best to beat down the peasants, like what he has done to unemployment and the voting process, claiming to be saving taxpayer's money. But at the same time he has given his closest staff members big raises. Probably to keep them quiet. Just do a little research on Mr. Dicksucker Scott and you will quickly understand why Florida is such a total shit hole at this point in time. I look forward to watching his freshley burned corpse swinging from a lamp post. Everyone needs to have a dream.

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