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The NSA's 50-Page Catalog Of Back Door Penetration Techniques Revealed

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While the world may have become habituated to (and perhaps revels in, thank you social media exhibitionist culture) the fact that the NSA is watching anyone and everyone, intercepting, recording, and hacking every electronic exchange regardless if it involves foreign "terrorists" or US housewives, the discoveries from the Snowden whistleblowing campaign continue. The latest revelation from the biggest wholesale spying scandal since Nixon, exposed by Germany's Spiegel which continues the strategy of revealing Snowden leaks on a staggered, delayed basis, involves a back door access-focused NSA division called ANT, (which supposedly stands for Access Network Technology), described by Spiegel as "master carpenters" for the NSA's TAO (Tailored Access Operations, read more about TAO here). The ANT people have "burrowed into nearly all the security architecture made by the major players in the industry -- including American global market leader Cisco and its Chinese competitor Huawei, but also producers of mass-market goods, such as US computer-maker Dell." More importantly, thanks to Spiegel (and Snowden of course), the NSA's 50-page catalog of "backdoor penetration" techniques has been revealed.

The details of how the NSA can surmount any "erected" walls, via Spiegel:

These NSA agents, who specialize in secret back doors, are able to keep an eye on all levels of our digital lives -- from computing centers to individual computers, from laptops to mobile phones. For nearly every lock, ANT seems to have a key in its toolbox. And no matter what walls companies erect, the NSA's specialists seem already to have gotten past them.


This, at least, is the impression gained from flipping through the 50-page document. The list reads like a mail-order catalog, one from which other NSA employees can order technologies from the ANT division for tapping their targets' data. The catalog even lists the prices for these electronic break-in tools, with costs ranging from free to $250,000.

Nothing quite like an extensive, taxpayer funded catalog listing back-door entry strategy imaginable. Say you wanted to have some backdoor fun with Juniper Networks, the world's second largest network equipment manufacturer (which claims the performance of the company's special computers is "unmatched" and their firewalls are the "best-in-class.")

In the case of Juniper, the name of this particular digital lock pick is "FEEDTROUGH." This malware burrows into Juniper firewalls and makes it possible to smuggle other NSA programs into mainframe computers. Thanks to FEEDTROUGH, these implants can, by design, even survive "across reboots and software upgrades." In this way, US government spies can secure themselves a permanent presence in computer networks. The catalog states that FEEDTROUGH "has been deployed on many target platforms."

It gets better, because when simple penetration is not enough, the NSA adds "implants."

In cases where TAO's usual hacking and data-skimming methods don't suffice, ANT workers step in with their special tools, penetrating networking equipment, monitoring mobile phones and computers and diverting or even modifying data. Such "implants," as they are referred to in NSA parlance, have played a considerable role in the intelligence agency's ability to establish a global covert network that operates alongside the Internet.

So what exactly is to be found in the 50-page catalog?

Some of the equipment available is quite inexpensive. A rigged monitor cable that allows "TAO personnel to see what is displayed on the targeted monitor," for example, is available for just $30. But an "active GSM base station" -- a tool that makes it possible to mimic a mobile phone tower and thus monitor cell phones -- costs a full $40,000. Computer bugging devices disguised as normal USB plugs, capable of sending and receiving data via radio undetected, are available in packs of 50 for over $1 million.


The ANT division doesn't just manufacture surveillance hardware. It also develops software for special tasks. The ANT developers have a clear preference for planting their malicious code in so-called BIOS, software located on a computer's motherboard that is the first thing to load when a computer is turned on.


This has a number of valuable advantages: an infected PC or server appears to be functioning normally, so the infection remains invisible to virus protection and other security programs. And even if the hard drive of an infected computer has been completely erased and a new operating system is installed, the ANT malware can continue to function and ensures that new spyware can once again be loaded onto what is presumed to be a clean computer. The ANT developers call this "Persistence" and believe this approach has provided them with the possibility of permanent access.


Another program attacks the firmware in hard drives manufactured by Western Digital, Seagate, Maxtor and Samsung, all of which, with the exception of latter, are American companies. Here, too, it appears the US intelligence agency is compromising the technology and products of American companies.


Other ANT programs target Internet routers meant for professional use or hardware firewalls intended to protect company networks from online attacks. Many digital attack weapons are "remotely installable" -- in other words, over the Internet. Others require a direct attack on an end-user device -- an "interdiction," as it is known in NSA jargon -- in order to install malware or bugging equipment.

The conclusion here is an easy one, and one we have repeated ever since before the Snowden revelations: Big Brother is bigger and badder than ever, he knows exactly what you've been doing, and the second the NSA wants to nuke your computer out of orbit and/or destroy your digital life, it can do so in a millisecond.  What is more amusing is that with each passing disclosure, it is increasingly clear that the NSA has gotten its inspiration for its dealings with the US public from a Danielle Steel book at best, or a Vivid Video bootlegged tape at worst.


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Sun, 12/29/2013 - 16:38 | 4283693 FredFlintstone
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I KNEW this was a porn site!

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 16:41 | 4283698 90's Child
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Just spit on it.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 16:48 | 4283711 DoChenRollingBearing
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I am wondering how fast the Obama jokes will be coming in......

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 16:57 | 4283728 Ignatius
Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:07 | 4283749 BaBaBouy
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NSA Operative NERD Sneezes, And Your Computer Is Infected???

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:07 | 4283756 BaBaBouy
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I Heard Your Rub GARLIC All Over Your Computer And The NSA Can't Touch It...

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:20 | 4283773 One World Mafia
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That's the next excuse Bitcoin pumpers will tell you protects Bitcoin from its NSA roots.


Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:02 | 4284038 malikai
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This one's probably gonna be pretty bad for business.

Junis are all over the place.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 22:54 | 4284375 JackT
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Just make sure your secrets aren't worth it

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 23:18 | 4284410 MeMadMax
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And the Anti-NSA industry is born.



Mon, 12/30/2013 - 06:19 | 4284719 Disenchanted
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My best back door penetration technique is surprise.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:21 | 4283776 Chuck Walla
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Q: why is it so hard for liberals to make eye contact? 

A: Obama’s ass doesn’t have eyes.




Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:30 | 4283897 MsCreant
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OUTRAGEOUS! Quit lying. Joe Biden certainly has eyes for Christ's sake, now cut it out.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:02 | 4284053 Colonel Klink
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Fail, it has one eye, and it's brown.  The libtards love gazing deeply into it.  Some find it penetrating.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:41 | 4283808 Cacete de Ouro
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Backdoor delivery from Barry

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:19 | 4283865 Teknopagan
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A cardboard cut out

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:20 | 4283777 JoBob
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DCRB:  Obama jokes coming in?

All this has stopped being funny to me. Making jokes about Obama makes him out to be the clown he is not. But then, clowns are really spooky.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:32 | 4283796 max2205
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007s got nothing compared to these boyzzz

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:11 | 4283853 Midas
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As I was thinking about how to thwart these bastards one of my first thoughts was to feed them bad information.  Then I got to thinking about these wedding parties where the drones show up and kill the guests.  Maybe I am too deep down the rabbit hole, but that would be a fun way to take out your enemies if you are the taliban, feed a little bad information into a known compromised source, sit back and watch the show. 

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:20 | 4283986 mvsjcl
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No need for 007 when each and every one of these internet companies actively cooperate with the spy agencies--or else they're taken over by one means or another.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 16:49 | 4283713 kaiserhoff
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The new meaning of ATM,

  in the new normal of cyber porn.

I think I need a drink.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:10 | 4283760 90's Child
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You'd think with this day and age with infidelity the NSA would be looking to capitalize on it.

All they gotta do is setup a website charge... Idk $100 for days worth of snooping on ones spouse $600 for a week.

Or maybe use it to get leverage against your boss?

If they really wanted to fuck this country up they could just offer services to blackmail one another.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:32 | 4283900 MsCreant
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Silly boy. Get leverage on everyone holding office. That is merely the opening gambit.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:57 | 4283950 90's Child
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Leverage on political officials is TPTB doin.

I for one would like personal leverage that could be used in my everyday life.

I don't need to snoop on Obama too know he's a cocksucker, I can just watch any of his speeches for that.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:33 | 4284106 rubiconsolutions
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This article is best read after clicking here.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:22 | 4283991 Buck Johnson
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This is a horror story and is so dangerous and would explain everything about how the US is being govern.  If the NSA is able to essentially do whatever to your computer devices and know what you are doing, whats to stop them from finding stuff on a politicians or businessman computer device to blackmail them with along with you or me.  Or even to be able to upload images and videos and even links/favorites/fingerprints that you may have been to sites that you shouldn't have been too in order to blackmail and or get you arrested or a family member.  I bet the politicians and news rooms around the US know that they are being blackmailed and are afraid so they do what they are told.  They never thought that the monster they made could easily bite them and turn on them, that is what happens when you vote for leaders that are delusional of the real world and the consequences of their actions, now they are puppets to some super power that is hidden behind the NSA.

Also another thing, you can't tell me that this stuff haven't gotten out into the regular public.  That the problem with this, it has people who use it and people are greedy, selfish and petty.  So If I'm an agent of the NSA or work for the ANT I would be salivating to be able to use this stuff to keep track of people, to find out what they know what they are doing, to find out information about business dealings in order to make money etc. etc..  As one quick example, look at what happened to Target and them being hacked for 40 million debit and credit card information (and finding out this weekend that they also got the pin numbers).  You mean to tell me that some type of device from this list or software could have been used to easily get into their system and steal.  And then have that same person or persons (before the hacking) make a few if not more small online companies and companies under those to process a service (lets say 1 dollar to 10 dollars or whatever depending how greedy they are) for an amount of money from all 40 million cards?  That group or person could easily be a millionaire or a billionaire overnight and never get caught if done right.

Just you wait if it hasn't happened (we know it has) it will and people will see a group that will have the for awhile the technological know how of the NSA and will be a power themselves.  Hell I'll be looking on the darknet to find if somebody doesn't have any of this stuff or TOR.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 23:46 | 4284466 deeznutz
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This is the ultimate issue. All of the NSA activities have to be used for insider trading and blackmail. "Terror" is a Red Hering.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 02:45 | 4284633 TheLoveArtist
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Sounds like a Kama Sutra for Gays

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 16:44 | 4283701 FieldingMellish
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Lubrication for the nation.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:08 | 4283842 Midas
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It will get better everyone.  Next election we will have a choice between Hillary Rodham and Chris Christie.  Both of them seem likely to pull the reins on all of this.  (I hope I don't need to put the /s down at this point)

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:53 | 4283924 roadhazard
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uh, no. There is No One likely to pull the reigns in on this. The new President will be sat down and told how it is and how it is going to be. Hillary may not have to go through it because she has been close to the situation before. All she wants to be is the first woman Prez. Christie would also be a puppet like all the rest.

Exactly how do you unbug something that can't be unbugged. And if THEY tell you they Did how will you know. You ain't that smart.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:57 | 4283949 whstlblwr
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Starts with a community. Local politicians who think NSA spying on citizens is bullshit, work against it, it spreads larger from there. There are more against this surveillance, than support it, no matter what you see on the TV.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 21:20 | 4284180 Emergency Ward
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Wasn't fat fuck Christie gonna run as VP on Hillary's ticket?  They can run unopposed with the slogan, "More and even better change with HILLARY/CHRISTIE 2016"

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 16:42 | 4283703 spinone
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If the NSA has it, so do the corporations that developed it for them.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 16:47 | 4283705 Jlasoon
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Is there really a difference between the 2?

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:21 | 4283988 DaveyJones
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yes, the direction of the bailouts

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 16:45 | 4283709 JustObserving
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NSA, you should have ordered Obama to grant amnesty to Snowden months ago to earn his silence.  Now you can't even count the ways you are screwed.  

And what would you prefer to be today?  A leper with AIDS or the CEO of a US technology company? 

And you ungrateful, spinelsss Germans - you are happy to gain from Snowden's revelations but you will not even consider giving him asylum.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 16:51 | 4283722 DoChenRollingBearing
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"And you ungrateful, spinelsss Germans - you are happy to gain from Snowden's revelations but you will not even consider giving him asylum."




Mon, 12/30/2013 - 00:27 | 4284519 2¢Wurth
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Arbeit und Hackung macht frei!

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:35 | 4283803 Seasmoke
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first, they have that little problem of getting their Gold back   GOLD>SNOWDEN


Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:16 | 4283860 Teknopagan
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Germany has been occupied since 1945

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:30 | 4284006 gratefultraveller
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Head over to and you will see that there is no mention at all of this on the german page - not a single fucking word.

Is that due to the ever so generous american occupying force bringing Germany it's very own special kind of "freedom" of expression???

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:48 | 4284030 gratefultraveller
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...and once I'm at it, I might as well do my part to promote the french "salute" to TPTB, the "quenelle". It is a simple gesture, indicating with one hand on the extended other arm how far one suggests the politician(s) target of the gesture insert said arm into their *backdoor*.

French politicians are desperately trying to paint the gesture as "antisemitic" because the comic and satirist Dieudonné that made it popular once founded an "anti-zionist" political party, but tough luck, as people everywhere are using it to show politicians what they think of them.

I expect it to become very popular in Europe in the months leading to the upcoming elections in spring, and why not, maybe even cross the Atlantic and work its way into american culture - in the end you guys can use a similar unequivocal sign of "shove it!" as much as we do over here in Europe.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 02:55 | 4284622 Joe A
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This quenelle is a holocaust denier and related to the National Front party. That is why this 'salute' is considered anti-semetic.

I don't feel the need for Europeans to embrace this salute at all.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 02:57 | 4284638 TheLoveArtist
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What someone said Holohoax again, come on Joey drop the routine, you heeebies have been throwing around the six million number since 1900

Nothing wrong with denying lies Joe.  And dont tell Euros what to do, cause most of them wish you would stick your Devil's Pitchfork = The Menorah up your backdoor

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 02:57 | 4284640 TheLoveArtist
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Each morning Joey I turn towards Israel and give it by middle finger salute after I wipe my ass with a page from the Torah.  Nothing feels better than flushing that alphabet down the drain lol.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 03:02 | 4284641 TheLoveArtist
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Dont the Heebie Jewbies get all that NSA backdoor crap for free.  Just goes to show you what dual citizens placed in the right positions, AIPAC money and control of the media can do for you. 

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 03:47 | 4284660 Joe A
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Good morning to you too. I see the neo-nazis are up early this morning after a long night of jerking eachother off in the woods singing nazi songs.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 04:20 | 4284670 gratefultraveller
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Downvoted you because it is people like you, people who cannot distinguish between Zionism and being jewish, and hence between antizionism and antisemitism, that play into the hands of the Zionists by spewing forth their ignorant hateful ramblings.

Go exercise jumping from bridges with your brownshirt friends, will you, the stuff discussed here in the forum at ZH is way beyond your intellectual capabilities.


Mon, 12/30/2013 - 03:49 | 4284661 Joe A
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I guess you are also a firm believer of the protocols of the elders of zion.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 06:47 | 4284731 bunnyswanson
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Men running scared wrote the protocols.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 03:57 | 4284663 Joe A
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You make the asumption that I am Jewish. That is because you neo-nazis have peanuts for brains and go into a nazi reflex when someone says something against anti-semitism. Internet is a beautiful technology and everybody is entitled to their own bad opinion but the likes of you are an insult to responders on ZH who in general have something quite intelligent to say.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 06:29 | 4284722 Disenchanted
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Oh you got me crying a fucking river for the 13th tribe who are in no way shape or form semitic.

'anti-semitism' - Fuck off hasbara crotch sniffer.


btw I downvote every post of yours that I see...just on principle.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 07:41 | 4284755 Joe A
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Oh wow, you downvoted every post of mine. How do you feel now? Do you want an iron cross for that?

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 08:47 | 4284797 Disenchanted
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Mon, 12/30/2013 - 21:11 | 4287054 MontgomeryScott
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@gratefultraveller, RE: 'La Quenelle':

WOW! You igniuted a real SHITSTORM here!

YOU said the 'Z' word! OH NOOOOO....

I was researching the 'Quenelles' thing, and it seems to translate from French to English in to 'dumplings'. Funny, you know...over in the States, they call this particular act 'fisting'. HOWEVER, the Khazaria and the AshkeNazim over here (historically, the Yiddish speakers in the slums of New York City and the retirement villiages in Florida) have been using this particular gesture of the hand under the elbow, arm up, and fingers waving, for several decades, as some type of 'insult'. I've seen it on mainstream television shows such as 'Seinfeld', and I always WONDERED what this meant, being a gentile and all...

'DUMP'-lings... You French really have a great sense of ironic humor!

Oh, YEAH, they're ALL 'Backdoor Men'...

Cavity searches ALL AROUND!

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 06:25 | 4284724 Wish Doctor
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  • The article you are reading originally appeared in German in issue 1/2014 (December 30, 2013) of DER SPIEGEL.


Mon, 12/30/2013 - 06:41 | 4284727 gratefultraveller
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By now (11.30 am CET) there also is an article on the german language website.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 06:54 | 4284733 mh505
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there is such a thing as fact-checking, my friend. Maybe you should get your act together before making such sweeping statements



Mon, 12/30/2013 - 07:00 | 4284736 gratefultraveller
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Speaking of fact-checking - did you check the timestamp of my original comment?

The german language article is from "Montag, 30.12.2013 – 11:00 Uhr", i.e., 5 am EST on MONDAY

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:04 | 4284059 malikai
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There's a lot of people in Germany.

And I'm sure that Spiegel would have loved for him to get asylum there.

But even if he did get asylum, it wouldn't be a good place for him to be.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 01:01 | 4284554 Cast Iron Skillet
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don't know if it would really be that good for Snowden to get asylum in germany. U.S. bases all over. It would be too easy for him to get abducted and carted off to a U.S. base. 

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 02:09 | 4284604 explodinghead
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The lame stream media has been a little too willing to cover the Snowden revelations which makes me suspicious (yes I am paranoid too) because they don't cover any story TPTB don't want covered.    I am leaning towards the idea that big brother wants everyone to know that they cannot escape the eye of Sauron.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 16:49 | 4283714 Hong Kong Phooey
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No one should be more hacked off about this than the international sales reps from US tech companies.  Big Brother is making it awfully tough to convince Euro and Asian customers to buy any tech gear manufactured in the Land of the Free.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:55 | 4283826 SWRichmond
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Yes.  Time for a cottage / niche industry making clean PC's?  NSA  is the death of American tech.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:28 | 4283971 whstlblwr
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I just ordered new clean PC and it took 2 weeks longer in shipping, UPS log says delayed delivery because of winter weather--strange because it wasnt snowing that week, lol. Also strange since we've received other items in the sleet and snow.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 00:43 | 4284535 2¢Wurth
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You may just think they are clean PC's.  Most laptops and many desktop motherboard manufacturers have a "live update" program which will allow you to download the latest drivers for audio, chipset and video components.  They also have updated BIOS programs.  These BIOS programs can have massive backdoors and are necessary on many motherboards to run newer processor or RAM types.  There is also a platter in your hard disk drive (not all) that is called a servo platter and helps position the other heads to the proper cylinder and sector on the disk.  These can also be infiltrated and programmed to affect the logic on the drive, no matter how many times you format or defragment.  And no malware or anti-virus program known will find these things.  All they have to do is reprogram the master binary file of the manufacturer to spread the corrupted BIOS.

So, finding a clean PC isn't as easy as you think.  There is also a new virus propagation technique using 22k+Hz. frequencies that go through the speakers of one unit and are picked up by the microphone or speakers of another unit.  All you need if for the uninfected unit to be in the proximity of the infected unit for about 30 seconds to transfer the virus.


Mon, 12/30/2013 - 00:47 | 4284536 2¢Wurth
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Sorry, double post

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 22:49 | 4287247 putaipan
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hey guys- i haven't seen a print link to it yet but on 'democracy now' with greenwald et al they mentioned cases of highjacking  computer components in delivery so backdoors could be installed.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:31 | 4284101 el Gallinazo
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That's what you get for dancing with the Devil.  Makes you wonder why Steve Jobs died so young.  Maybe he missed a step or two.  As Tina Turner put it, "We can do it nice or rough."

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 22:09 | 4284276 discopimp
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The Land of the Free?  Whoever told you that is your enemy!  Know your enemy!

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 16:52 | 4283718 JimmyRainbow
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yeah they learned from daniel suarez s "Demon"

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 16:53 | 4283721 b_thunder
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But...  but.... but...  can they also steal my p-p-p-p-p-p-preciaous  b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-bitcoins?


Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:21 | 4283763 One World Mafia
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Bitcoin pumpers will tell you no no matter what.  Bitcoin developers entrusted its cryptographic mining security to known NSA designs and another hackable cryptographic hash.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:57 | 4283829 DCFusor
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I'm guessing you're a complete idiot when it comes to crypto, OWM.  Did it ever enter your mind to know somethig before shooting off your mouth?  Can you even breathe without assistance?

Show me a non NP-complete way to "crack" a one-way SHA-256 hash, and I'll give you millions of dollars - or so would NSA, or any other hacker who would turn it into trillions overnight.  Not even counting the now-easy bitcoins.  Or even mention world domination.  Or, just keep that info to yourself and wipe out every bank account in existance, sending all the bucks to yourself.

Oh, yeah, the NSA can "crack" that.  That's why they need all that other side-channels stuff, right?  Occam's razor, asshole.

If they could do that, all the rest of what they spend zillions of bucks on, not to mention time and risk,  would be a moot waste of time - you refute yourself.  But others here just might believe your idiocy, so I thought I'd chime in.


You should be pissed off enough that they can fool with your bios.  You have NO IDEA what that implies, and it's nothing compared to cracking a serious one-way hash.  Too bad the new ones are soldered-in flash, or mine would be replaced by non-writeable memory - like the olden days.



Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:05 | 4283833 One World Mafia
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You should know straight off the bat - and this article should remind you - the NSA never releases anything into the wild without a backdoor.

The challenge to the cryptographer is how to write the algorithm so that nobody suspects it's really an alternate representation of a pre chosen public key. NSA created Bitcoin cryptographic hash function SHA-256 and has a history of building backdoors in crypto algorithms it releases to the public.

"Most of the time SHA-256 hashes are used, however RIPEMD-160 is also used when a shorter hash is desirable (for example when creating a bitcoin address)."
...and RIPEMD160 appears hackable for NSA exploit

"Prefer conventional discrete-log-based systems over elliptic-curve systems; the latter have constants that the NSA influences when they can." (Bitcoin uses the latter)

Bitcoin did not sneak up on the NSA. NSA exploration into crypto currencies can be traced back to 1996.  Someone purposely designed Bitcoin so that SHA-256 cannot be replaced in a backwards compatible way.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:11 | 4283980 zhandax
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"Too bad the new ones are soldered-in flash, or mine would be replaced by non-writeable memory - like the olden days."

Still doable, just more work.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:02 | 4284057 Dugald
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"Too bad the new ones are soldered-in flash, or mine would be replaced by non-writeable memory - like the olden days."

Gosh and I thought for a minute you were smart then you went and said the above.

Never heard of a soldering iron huh?


Sun, 12/29/2013 - 21:39 | 4284214 Carmagnole
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Your soldering iron should pinpoint at 12 µm these days

hope you have a steady hand

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 16:54 | 4283723 Hindenburg...Oh Man
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My backdoor feels more and more penetrated every day. 

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 16:58 | 4283730 eddiebe
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NSA does it doggie!

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 16:59 | 4283734 I am Jobe
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One has to think NSA guys with thier spouses what they do to them?  

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 16:58 | 4283738 tawse57
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What about computer controlled internet enabled sex toys?

Would that then  be a double penatration?

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:16 | 4284074 Colonel Klink
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No that's the NSA and OBarrycare.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:00 | 4283744 dizzyfingers
Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:01 | 4283745 rtalcott
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Samsung sold their drive division to either WD or Seagate...cannot remember which.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:25 | 4283785 PhysicalRealm
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Samsung sold their HDD div to Seagate two years ago

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:07 | 4283748 dizzyfingers
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Why don't they just effing get on Facebook?!

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:46 | 4283816 pragmatic hobo
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what are you talking about? they own facebook.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:22 | 4284086 el Gallinazo
Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:08 | 4283753 JustObserving
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with costs ranging from free to $250,000

It's so convenient that the Fed can conjure up trillions.  Or the NSA would be deprived of its infinite spying due to prohibitive costs.

The USA went off the gold standard on August 15, 1971 due to the prohibitive cost of the Vietnam war of $738 billion in 2011 dollars.  The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan cost $6000 billion and the NSA/CIA cost $90 billion a year and the Department of Homeland Security costs $60 billion a year.  Now to worry, the Fed can print to eternity without even a trace of inflation, except, perhaps in TWTR stock.

Mr President, you deserve your $10 million annual vacation in Hawaii and that $10 million selfie at Mandela's funeral. Money, like spying, is unlimited in the land of the free.


Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:07 | 4283755 StormShadow
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Tolkien and Orwell couldn't even have imagined these capabilities and evilness. This is Sauron for real.

Just watched latest Hunger Games last night...feels more like a training film than entertainment, but I was probably only one in the theater whose mind that thought even crossed.

We are so fucked. Only hope we have is that anything this complex and far reaching will eventually fail under the weight of its own complexity.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:17 | 4283869 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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That's an interesting take. Sauron was the king technocrat. He liked everything just so. Schooled by the god of technology.

Evil lurks. Don't let the technocrats try and tell you otherwise.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:17 | 4283766 hungarianboy
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Yet, it took the US a decade to find Osama. Who are they really spying on?


Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:51 | 4283810 JustObserving
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Jesus, you must believe in fairy tales and Hope and Change.  Osama died on December 14th, 2001.  The whole Osama killing of May 1, 2011 was a complete fabrication per Pulitzer-prize winning journalist who reported the My Lai massacre.  Of course, no US media will carry anything resembling the truth as the NSA has them both by the pocketbook (Operation Mockingbird) and by the balls due to its infinite spying:

Not ONE word of official account of raid that killed Bin Laden is true, claims award-winning journalist Seymour Hersh

PUBLISHED: 11:54 EST, 28 September 2013

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 07:20 | 4284740 Wish Doctor
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Seymour Hersh on Obama, NSA and the 'pathetic' American media Pulitzer Prize winner explains how to fix journalism, saying press should 'fire 90% of editors and promote ones you can't control.

Seymour Hersh exposed the My Lai massacre during the Vietnam war, for which he won the Pulitzer Prize. Photograph: Wally McNamee/Corbis

Seymour Hersh has got some extreme ideas on how to fix journalism – close down the news bureaus of NBC and ABC, sack 90% of editors in publishing and get back to the fundamental job of journalists which, he says, is to be an outsider.

It doesn't take much to fire up Hersh, the investigative journalist who has been the nemesis of US presidents since the 1960s and who was once described by the Republican party as "the closest thing American journalism has to a terrorist".

He is angry about the timidity of journalists in America, their failure to challenge the White House and be an unpopular messenger of truth.

Don't even get him started on the New York Times which, he says, spends "so much more time carrying water for Obama than I ever thought they would" – or the death of Osama bin Laden. "Nothing's been done about that story, it's one big lie, not one word of it is true," he says of the dramatic US Navy Seals raid in 2011 [see footnote ].

Hersh is writing a book about national security and has devoted a chapter to the bin Laden killing. He says a recent report put out by an "independent" Pakistani commission about life in the Abottabad compound in which Bin Laden was holed up would not stand up to scrutiny. "The Pakistanis put out a report, don't get me going on it. Let's put it this way, it was done with considerable American input. It's a bullshit report," he says hinting of revelations to come in his book.

The Obama administration lies systematically, he claims, yet none of the leviathans of American media, the TV networks or big print titles, challenge him.

"It's pathetic, they are more than obsequious, they are afraid to pick on this guy [Obama]," he declares in an interview with the Guardian.

"It used to be when you were in a situation when something very dramatic happened, the president and the minions around the president had control of the narrative, you would pretty much know they would do the best they could to tell the story straight. Now that doesn't happen any more. Now they take advantage of something like that and they work out how to re-elect the president.

He isn't even sure if the recent revelations about the depth and breadth of surveillance by the National Security Agency will have a lasting effect.

Snowden changed the debate on surveillance

He is certain that NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden "changed the whole nature of the debate" about surveillance. Hersh says he and other journalists had written about surveillance, but Snowden was significant because he provided documentary evidence – although he is sceptical about whether the revelations will change the US government's policy.

"Duncan Campbell [the British investigative journalist who broke the Zircon cover-up story], James Bamford [US journalist] and Julian Assange and me and the New Yorker, we've all written the notion there's constant surveillance, but he [Snowden] produced a document and that changed the whole nature of the debate, it's real now," Hersh says.

"Editors love documents. Chicken-shit editors who wouldn't touch stories like that, they love documents, so he changed the whole ball game," he adds, before qualifying his remarks.

"But I don't know if it's going to mean anything in the long [run] because the polls I see in America – the president can still say to voters 'al-Qaida, al-Qaida' and the public will vote two to one for this kind of surveillance, which is so idiotic," he says.

Holding court to a packed audience at City University in London's summer school on investigative journalism, 76-year-old Hersh is on full throttle, a whirlwind of amazing stories of how journalism used to be; how he exposed the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, how he got the Abu Ghraib pictures of American soldiers brutalising Iraqi prisoners, and what he thinks of Edward Snowden.

... ... ...

• This article was amended on 1 October 2013. The original text stated that Hersh sold a story about the My Lai massacre to the New York Times for $5,000 when in fact it was the Times of London. Hersh has pointed out that he was in no way suggesting that Osama bin Laden was not killed in Pakistan, as reported, upon the president's authority: he was saying that it was in the aftermath that the lying began. Finally, the interview took place in the month of July, 2013.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:51 | 4285709 Wish Doctor
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Hersh has pointed out that he was in no way suggesting that Osama bin Laden was not killed in Pakistan, as reported, upon the president's authority: he was saying that it was in the aftermath that the lying began.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 07:42 | 4284754 Wish Doctor
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It was the last Sunday of April 2011.  On the Globex open silver gapped down almost three bucks to begin a hard slide off a ~30-year double top just shy of $50.  Half of 100 had never been crossed.  And it dropped like a rock.

Coincidence is not necessarily random.  Just sayin.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:58 | 4283953 roadhazard
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 Bush Boy wasn't looking, he even said so. He got more mileage from him being alive. 911! 911! COLOR ALERT RED !

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:12 | 4284072 el Gallinazo
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He wasn't looking because Osama died within a couple of days of Dec 15, 2001 in the mountains of Tora Bora of kidney failure from his congenital Marfan's syndrome.  And even idiot Boy Bush was let in on that.  But like Orwell's Emmanuel Goldstein, he was just too useful to kill off in our imaginations in the USSA daily two minutes of hate ritual.  Osama was clearly a CIA asset.  He got dialysis in the American Hospital in Dubai shortly before 9/11 and was visited by the CIA station chief there.  He had nothing to do with the 9/11 false flags and was really pissed that The Company threw him under the bus in his last couple of months of life.  But loyalty was never The Company's long suit, and his goblinesque visage was a goldmine of mind control for 10 years in his Schrödinger's Cat condition until Obama and his handlers figure that they could profit by ending the charade.  Speaking of loyalty, Osama, and buses, let us not forget the strange deaths shortly thereafter of Seal Team 6 that with their occult powers, slew Osama for a second time.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:43 | 4285461 Wish Doctor
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Speaking of loyalty, Osama, and buses, let us not forget the strange deaths shortly thereafter of Seal Team 6 that with their occult powers, slew Osama for a second time.

Bad deeds are contagious.  So what else is new?

Everyone knows, once you start lying it's a slippery slope of using new lies to hide old lies, et cetera.

No direct experience, but doesn't killing necessarily leading to more killing?  Come to think of it, that might be fractal, from Crime and Punishment scaling up to the millions in wars and crusades.

Hmm.  If you're interested in Truth and how it relates to History, go find the stuff published by Harry Elmer Barnes around 1952.  

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:15 | 4283768 I am Jobe
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How many folks walking around witheir smartphones and texting away? Most of them are not in tune with the news unless it involves Kardashinas or Fuck Dynasty. 

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:24 | 4283781 Cacete de Ouro
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NSA: 21st century Tradesmans Entrance

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:28 | 4283784 Heroic Couplet
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If you're not doing anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about. I don't have to have NSA tell me I know 3 unemployed Republicans.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:12 | 4283855 stacking12321
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please post the following in reply:

your name

your street address

your social security #

your bank account #s

a naked photo of your wife


if you've done nothing wrong, there's no reason you can't share this info, right?


Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:46 | 4283936 jimmytorpedo
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Forget the rest of the stuff.

Just the naked photo of your wife please.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:09 | 4284065 Pure Evil
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Unless she's fat and fugly. Don't want to see any pictures of a naked wookie and her shaggy mane.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 21:19 | 4287068 MontgomeryScott
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@ Pure Evil:

The new expression is a contraction/compound word. 'FUGLY' (Fucking UGLY). If you are referring to Mitch-Hell, you may use the term 'SHANAWOOK' (SHAggy NAked WOOKie), or the simpler and easier term, 'CHEWIE' (short for the character 'Chewbakka').


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Mon, 12/30/2013 - 21:23 | 4287076 MontgomeryScott
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EXCELLENT reference!

I spotted this one a couple of days ago while surfing the 'usual sites', and I read it (and shook my head in utter despair bordering on madness)...

In-Fucking-Credible! Waiting for this to be added to the college courses over here!

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:28 | 4283789 Boondocker
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sure your computer is safe....all you freaks committing crimes via TOR better pray they don't come looking for you.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:31 | 4283792 jballz
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I am ignoring it, tapping away on my smartphone because I don't give a fuck.

Because now I will never run for political office, become a political agitator, rock the boat or make any enemies who are in power. Anyone with such intentions are screwed. My rights have been violated to the point that my right to exercise dissent and actively oppose the government has been revoked before I ever began. This is the true cost of all this. The opposition is silenced, the few who stand up will be mowed down or blackmailed into submission and it is too late to do a damn thing about it.

Your loyal serf, bitchez.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:31 | 4283795 Seize Mars
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I guess I'll be mowed down then.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:57 | 4283960 A Lunatic
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I guess I'll see ya in the mass grave.......

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:52 | 4284035 el Gallinazo
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You think you will be included in the 500 million breeding serf population goal of the Georgia Guide Stones and UN Agenda 21?  Being a docile sheep doesn't buy you shit when its slaughtering time.  Speaking of that, the island of Kauai (Hawaii) got hit with a brief radiation blast 30 times normal background on Friday.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:34 | 4283799 Yancey Ward
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Ah, I now understand why Obamacare covers free KY.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:39 | 4283804 Papasmurf
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If you like your root, you can't keep your root.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:39 | 4283805 Seasmoke
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Putin doesn't take it up the poop shoot !!

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:39 | 4283918 MsCreant
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We all do. Back doored, everyone of us. 

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:42 | 4283815 buzzsaw99
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nsa at warp 9.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 17:57 | 4283831 h0oS
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Fuck this shit, I've been meaning to build my own PC for a while now, the time has come.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:15 | 4283856 nmewn
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Yeah but could it be used and it stay clean is the real question...they got shit all over the net these days.

I approach every link like I ride a motorcycle, all those car drivers really are trying to kill me ;-)

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:52 | 4283942 jimmytorpedo
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If you ride in the city, you'll know you aren't paranoid.

They really are trying to kill you.

Or so it seems.

And I ride a two stroke.

Up down suck blow.

That's how I roll.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:51 | 4284129 nmewn
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You and logicalman have it right.

The best introduction to driving on the public roads is riding a motorcycle, if you survive the things you do with it (because it is one-on-one awesome) AND the things that others do around you, you're ready for something that can potentially kill someone else besides you.

Its an interesting dynamic that few can fully appreciate ;-)

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 21:34 | 4287100 MontgomeryScott
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The four-stroke tech is SO  much better!

Down: SUCK!

Up: SQUEEZE (spark occurrs)

Down: BANG!!

Up: BLOW...


Riding a mechanical device on a paved road (or off one) in public view, that sounds like a garden implement like a 'Weed-eater' (in combination with a really loud mosquito) and smokes like a badly-tuned diesel isn't my idea of 'rolling'. Sorry...

By the way, as both a rider AND a cager, I can ASSURE you that they really ARE trying to kill you!

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:58 | 4284044 logicalman
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Many (and I do mean many) years ago, when I was first allowed to go any distance on my bicycle (1967ish) my dad said to me "treat everyone else out there like they are a raving lunatic who's out to get you - you won't be far wrong!"

I still ride every day (without a helmet)

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 15:21 | 4286038 Kobe Beef
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Get a helmet and keep an asp (cable whip) handy..

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 15:24 | 4286040 Kobe Beef
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Get a helmet and keep an asp (cable whip) handy..

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 23:01 | 4332916 h0oS
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Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:16 | 4283859 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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My advice would be to build it completely out of wood.

That you grew, harvested and milled yourself ...

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 22:15 | 4284292 StychoKiller
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Kinda like this?

Of course, all the electronics are NOT made of wood!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:27 | 4297366 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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That was really cool!

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 21:13 | 4287051 MeelionDollerBogus
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just in case it's Monsanto GMO spy-wood with insect-antenna spliced onto them in lower layers distributed by NSA lumber corp. Cuz ya never know.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:28 | 4283898 Papasmurf
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I recommend CPM/80 on an 8085 processor.  I think that's pretty safe.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:47 | 4283931 ThisIsBob
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Nothing is safe.  There is no privacy or security on the internets, and will never be.

The minute you think you have figured out security, there will be rooms full of well paid MIT math phd's figuring out how to hack your shit.  And so far, so good, it would appear.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:01 | 4284052 logicalman
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Been on line since 1992.

I always assumed that if I could access another computer, another computer could access mine.

Maybe a bit paranoid, but still, better than believing you are safe and annonymous.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:25 | 4284093 GeezerGeek
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Not even an 8088? At that point you may as well send smoke signals using a one-time pad, and hope the wind isn't blowing too hard.


Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:37 | 4283984 sunnyside
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Twenty minutes tops until they have full access when they want it.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:18 | 4284083 GeezerGeek
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Building your own PC could be a waste of time. Who knows what firmware on the motherboard or in a network interface card they may already have compromised. If I wanted to spy on what everyone sends or receives online I'd create NIC firmware that never lets anyone else see its secret transmissions. You, sitting on your computer, don't receive network transmissions that are intended for, say, your wife's computer. Your NIC interacts with the higher-level software to filter out messages not meant for your computer. Many NICs have what's called promiscuious mode, which allows programs like Wireshark to see what's flowing on the network beyond your computer. But what if, at the NIC firmware level, something hides certain nefarious activites from your PC? I'm probably not saying this well, but there are so many operational layers between your mind, which controls your fingers on the keyboard, and the eyes of a recipient of your email on another computer that countless books have been written and I lack the talent to explain them all in 20 words or less here. Suffice it to say that, if the Nefarious Spying Agency really wants to spy on all of us, they can. To the best of my knowledge, the only thing they can't do is read our minds. 

But go ahead, build a new computer. It's fun, I do it all the time when I'm not analyzing network traffic or painting my house.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 21:06 | 4287048 MeelionDollerBogus
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building your own PC includes any modification or replacement of those chips.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:05 | 4283836 One And Only
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Couldn't prevent the Boston Bombers. 

But it was never about terrorism. It has always been what the founding fathers warned us about... an overly intrusive government burrowing into every facet of our lives.


Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:49 | 4283940 SgtShaftoe
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The Boston bombing is hinky.  All these events that are blasted on the news are highly suspect.  Engines blown 50 yards out of cars from tapping a tree, Up is down and down is up.  It's hard to know what is real vs. staged or self inflicted these days.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 19:16 | 4283985 sunnyside
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And Alex Jones looks like the sane one in the room.  Scary shit.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:06 | 4284055 logicalman
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I hope the world never gets THAT crazy.

Don't misunderstand - David Icke is at least coherant and gives you something to think about.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 21:46 | 4287129 MontgomeryScott
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David Icke.

He has a lot of information that sounds pretty good and proves to be MOSTLY accurate, UNTIL,

He gets to the 'reptilians' and such.

BUT, he sounds 'coherent' (like those who are on the verge of madness do, as they talk the followers in to doing things, bad things, like Charlie Manson,


I hope he can overcome this defect in his thinking; but until then, he is to be discounted. he does not have a grasp of the way in which the spiritual world works (as he is basically a denier of this). Therefore, he has invented the 'reptilian' thingie, thinking somehow that space aliens have supposedly shown up here at this time, in the guise of 'humans'. A TRUE believer in ROSICRUCIANISM, I think (humans with 'third eyes', and underground cities in the Sierra Nevada Mountains, and 'Crystal Ships'). You aren't one of THESE people, are you? God, I hope not!

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:05 | 4283841 Judge Crater
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The news that the NSA intercepts deliveries of computer equipment and then plants espionage software [and probably hardware] in the equipment raises the NSA actions to an entirely new level.  Breaking into the mails without a warrant has always been considered a serious crime.  No judge, not even that rumpot who just approved NSA massive bugging, can allow such criminality.  If the NSA, a.k.a. the Carlyle Group, sanctions breaking into the mails than it is likely that the NSA also has killers on its payroll to handle non-software related problems.  Don'e expect Obama to do anything, he is the CIA version of the Manchurian Candidate, a plant the agency created complete with forged documents to bolster his legend. 

Associated Press: "Old-fashioned methods get a mention too. Der Spiegel said that if the NSA tracked a target ordering a new computer or other electronic accessories, TAO could tap its allies in the FBI and the CIA, intercept the hardware in transit, and take it to a secret workshop where it could be discretely fitted with espionage software before being sent on its way.

Intercepting computer equipment in such a way is among the NSA's "most productive operations," and has helped harvest intelligence from around the world, one document cited by Der Spiegel stated."

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 18:22 | 4283884 JustObserving
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Who will ever trust US technology ever again?  US has become the Typhoid Mary of Technology.  All credit to you, NSA.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:11 | 4284071 adeptish
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Add in GMO's as a bonus...



Sun, 12/29/2013 - 20:33 | 4284105 GeezerGeek
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Who knows what evil lurks in the firmware that runs most electronics? Who knows what has been embedded by the Asian makers of all those chips with the firmware? Even ignoring the NSA/CIA/DIA aspect, do you really want a communications device with chips made in the Peoples Republic of China? About the only gadgets you can trust not to betray you these days are the old standbys: hammers, screwdrivers, get the idea. 

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 22:22 | 4284304 chemystical
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I'm thinking about building a nuclear reactor.  Can recommend Israeli software?  What about Israeli security consultants? has fun painting some folks as wearers of tin foil hats, but Haaretz and other sources confirmed the groundwork for the conspiracy theory.


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