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How The NSA Hacks Your iPhone (Presenting DROPOUT JEEP)

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Following up on the latest stunning revelations released yesterday by German Spiegel which exposed the spy agency's 50 page catalog of "backdoor penetration techniques", today during a speech given by Jacob Applebaum (@ioerror) at the 30th Chaos Communication Congress, a new bombshell emerged: specifically the complete and detailed description of how the NSA bugs, remotely, your iPhone. The way the NSA accomplishes this is using software known as Dropout Jeep, which it describes as follows: "DROPOUT JEEP is a software implant for the Apple iPhone that utilizes modular mission applications to provide specific SIGINT functionality. This functionality includes the ability to remotely push/pull files from the device. SMS retrieval, contact list retrieval, voicemail, geolocation, hot mic, camera capture, cell tower location, etc. Command, control and data exfiltration can occur over SMS messaging or a GPRS data connection. All communications with the implant will be covert and encrypted."

The flowchart of how the NSA makes your iPhone its iPhone is presented below:

  • NSA ROC operator
  • Load specified module
  • Send data request
  • iPhone accepts request
  • Retrieves required SIGINT data
  • Encrypt and send exfil data
  • Rinse repeat

And visually:


What is perhaps just as disturbing is the following rhetorical sequence from Applebaum:

"Do you think Apple helped them build that? I don't know. I hope Apple will clarify that. Here's the problem: I don't really believe that Apple didn't help them, I can't really prove it but [the NSA] literally claim that anytime they target an iOS device that it will succeed for implantation. Either they have a huge collection of exploits that work against Apple products, meaning that they are hoarding information about critical systems that American companies produce and sabotaging them, or Apple sabotaged it themselves. Not sure which one it is. I'd like to believe that since Apple didn't join the PRISM program until after Steve Jobs died, that maybe it's just that they write shitty software. We know that's true."

Or, Apple's software is hardly "shitty" even if it seems like that to the vast majority of experts (kinda like the Fed's various programs), and in fact it achieves precisely what it is meant to achieve.

Either way, now everyone knows that their iPhone is nothing but a gateway for the NSA to peruse everyone's "private" data at will. Which, incidentally, is not news, and was revealed when we showed how the "NSA Mocks Apple's "Zombie" Customers; Asks "Your Target Is Using A BlackBerry? Now What?"

How ironic would it be if Blackberry, left for dead by virtually everyone, began marketing its products as the only smartphone that does not allow the NSA access to one's data (and did so accordingly). Since pretty much everything else it has tried has failed, we don't see the downside to this hail mary attempt to strike back at Big Brother and maybe make some money, by doing the right thing for once.

We urge readers to watch the full one hour speech by Jacob Applebaum to realize just how massive Big Brother truly is, but those who want to just listen to the section on Apple can do so beginning 44 minutes 30 seconds in the presentation below.


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Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:33 | Link to Comment Cacete de Ouro
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Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:35 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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NSA pays how much of a subsidy per iPhone to Apple for enabling it to spy?  Is it $100 per iPhone or is it $200? Fraud is the fastest way to profits, especially selling out your customers.

Given Apple's excellent collaboration with the NSA, I was surprised that China Mobile cut a deal with Apple.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:36 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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NSA doesn't pay nuthin. You do though, via the inflation created to fund it all.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:43 | Link to Comment Pee Wee
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$500 per month for each and every device on the Verizon network.

It's BIG (really big) bailout biz for Fascism-telekom.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 14:35 | Link to Comment Bunga Bunga
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In exchange they don't go after the off-shore income.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 16:34 | Link to Comment Alpha Monkey
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I was suprised by that deal too.  Surely they are aware of the NSA backdoors.  China getting CC'd on NSA data?

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:38 | Link to Comment q99x2
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National Security Agency.

Whose nation would that be?

They are the greatest threat to the United States of America and the Corporations based here out of any group in the entire world. Their threat to the United States exceeds China, North Korea, Israel, Somalia and the City of London.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 17:53 | Link to Comment mt paul
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nothing secure anymore

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:39 | Link to Comment toady
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Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:39 | Link to Comment Debtonation
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My cellphone lights up at 9:32 every night for no reason at all.  Do you think the NSA hacked it to send data at that time everyday?

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment pods
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Probably just the usual malware that steals information about you to be sold to the highest bidder.


Mon, 12/30/2013 - 20:32 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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thank God

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 15:28 | Link to Comment Mi Naem
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Just a malware update. 

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 18:41 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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Mine at 3.04am... my Samsung Tablet sometimes has the camera flash go off when shutting down and while booting up I get multiple "Stutters" when trying to open some sites. It rather spooky (sic)

I can unfriend Facebook, don,t do Twatter but I cannot opt out of NSA. 

Something a little worse than child molestation going on here.

There will be massive blowback to All the Techs if this becomes public knowledge.

And why do I feel continually molested and unclean as I reply from the belly of the BEAST we were warned about?

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 22:34 | Link to Comment Yes_Questions
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there's lots of lampposts.  

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:38 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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It's ironic that Apple raged against big brother in 1984 and now they are big brother.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:50 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Just the same ole trap of another arms race, where today's evil can only be defeated by a newer, greater evil.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:41 | Link to Comment pods
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Denninger had a piece about how the NSA has stuff at the BIOS level, and how that is going to chase people away from US stuff.
I think it will chase people away from electronics, as the Chinese have already been named as having backdoors at the chip level, and they steal anything not nailed down.

Long drafting tables and pencils.  Short faith in any organized government.


Mon, 12/30/2013 - 17:00 | Link to Comment walküre
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long face 2 face and encrypted snail mail

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 17:51 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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The Russians have gone back to using typewriters.

Vlad is no dummy.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 18:54 | Link to Comment resurger
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fuck all this technology!

Do you remember when everyone had a pager back in teh days and those huge ass fucking cellfones which looked like bricks! Lawl good days.

look at this fucking mess from those greedy fucking bastards, kudos to ZH for the video.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 21:36 | Link to Comment infinity8
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I was the last person I knew to break down and get a cell phone in the late '90's. Had one for 8-10 yrs and always resented it really. There's no one I want talking/texting to me all the time. There's no one I want to talk/text to all the time. My time is worth something to me and that doesn't include constant access.

Got protractor? (I love my drafting table and pencils, too.)

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment Mrs. Cog
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It isn't really a shock at this point. When Cog and I discuss recent articles or news about revolution, resistance and the police state, we often address the iphone as a third party in the room <cause it is>. No denial here. 

I wonder how many of you have included in a personal email or text "(just kidding NSA)" after some statement that might be taken seriously or the wrong way by a nanny-state-bot?

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 14:12 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Remember when you and I first got together I accused you of being a secret agent sent to infiltrate Cognitive Dissonance? It never occurred to me that your iPhone was the actual spy. Sorry for ever doubting you honey. :-)

<This calls for makeup sex. Lots of it.>

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 17:28 | Link to Comment geewhiz
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Remeber to put on your best performance for the NSA pervs if you leave the iPhone nearby.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 18:12 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Just for laughs at night we lock the iPhone in the basement next to the spare TV running a porno movie DVD on repeat to give those NSA guys (and gals?) some cheap thrills. :-)

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 20:03 | Link to Comment Colonel Klink
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Oddly enough I'm assuming you have a midget tranny porn DVD for just such an occasion?

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 20:23 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Nope. But I did find a bootleg copy of "Debbie Does the NSA" so they can feast on their own.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 17:35 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Curfew is waived .. ya old fogies :)

Cheers to you two

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 18:12 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Mrs. Cog is highly insulted and wanted me to let you know that she's not an old fogie and is in fact nine years younger than me. :-)

<I'm not sure what I ever did to be so lucky, but I ain't complain'.>

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 19:07 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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My apologies, no affront intended ... just some play on my Deja Vu re-re-re-replay post further down.  Seems the particular brand of getting lucky you refer to is goin' 'roun' ;)

Much love to ya both

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 19:12 | Link to Comment Mrs. Cog
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Not a problem Miles... since I became "Mrs. Cog" (lol - sounds so respectable), I have been practicing my fogieness with afternoon naps and quaint practices like drinking tea and crocheting. I could get used to this aging thingy. ;-)

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 20:02 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Indeed.  I've also found this aging thingy now that I'm about to be a grandparent for the third time to be a marvelous playground to explore.  Have some great fun! : )

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 21:45 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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good to see you Miles. Hope you're doing well

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 15:45 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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In our household we've implemented operations Whisper and Knowing Glance.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:40 | Link to Comment One And Only
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How much of this data was used to help Obama get elected? How much is used to attack his opponents? We know he's enlisted the irs in this manner....

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:46 | Link to Comment pods
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Think higher.  This is above the puppet.  This is information for the ones who own the theater.


Mon, 12/30/2013 - 22:53 | Link to Comment Yes_Questions
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+ and + again

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:47 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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They are paying to have these backdoors put in.  And I am sure China is finding them.  Anyone who looks hard enough at the driver and software code will find the backdoors they put in.  The US government crippled our entire internet infrastructure and probably finished us off militarily and economically.  Good job clowns. 

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:52 | Link to Comment Colonel Klink
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This has to be a Denninger article.  Just sayin.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:58 | Link to Comment comob
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How ironic would it be if Blackberry, left for dead by virtually everyone, began marketing its products as the only smartphone that does not allow the NSA access to one's data (and did so accordingly).

Karl from FL applauds your conclusion!

And BTW how ironic would it be if you paid for your own surviellance not just once through income taxes, not twice through user fees and telecom/device specific fees and taxes but three times through your monthly ibill?  Is this a great country or what?

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 14:06 | Link to Comment pragmatic hobo
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given the popularity of blackberry early on it woulnd't surprise if blackberry was the first to give nsa the back-door treatment ...

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment jimijon
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The only solution is OPEN SOURCE THE NSA!!! 

Let everyone have access to this information... we paid for it.



Mon, 12/30/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment djsmps
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If you want your iPhone, we can keep your iPhone.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 14:16 | Link to Comment freedogger
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So can we have a class action lawsuit for all the data charges these fuckers are leeching off our accounts?

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 14:20 | Link to Comment redwater
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In the future, crowd-funded, open sourced, 3d printed designed electronics might be the way to go.




Mon, 12/30/2013 - 14:21 | Link to Comment redwater
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Obama isn't allowed to use an iPhone. He's still required to use a Blackberry.


Mon, 12/30/2013 - 14:27 | Link to Comment Stinko da Munk
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I just stick with Hotmail. The NSA can't penetrate that.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 14:28 | Link to Comment proLiberty
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Infinite money enables infinite government.

It appears that the present Leviathan State thinks it has the authority to suspend the Fourth Amendment under the excuse of national security. Moreover, it appears that the Leviathan State gives itself permission in secret courts.

I could not imagine that those who proposed, debated and ratified the Fourth Amendment would have thought it gave the Post Office permission to record, compile and analyze the details of the mail sent and received by each citizen as a consequence of going about their daily lives. I could not imagine that they would have agreed with the excuse that when a person mails a letter, they have "no expectation of privacy", and that these records would be in the hands of a "third party", which opens them up to being commandeered by blanket and open-ended law. That is exactly the legal theory that the NSA and lovers of big and Ever Bigger government use to justify this outrageous treason.

At what point is the trajectory of the present Leviathan State such a material threat to our Constitutional rights that we can accept the risks of the surviving states calling for a Convention to consider amendments to the Constitution such that we fully redefine, repair and clarify the powers and function of the federal government?

As government expands, personal liberty must of necessity retreat. Infinite money enables infinite government. It is past time to pull the plug on the Leviathan State.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 15:09 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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let a thousand townships bloom

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 16:42 | Link to Comment doctor10
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"we can accept the risks of the surviving states calling for a Convention to consider amendments to the Constitution such that we fully redefine, repair and clarify the powers and function of the federal government?"


And just how do you intend to accomplish that? These trolls kow about your plans before your spouse does?


Long carrier pigeons?

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 14:35 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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And now you know why Bitcoin is not secure and not gold.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 14:33 | Link to Comment jack stephan
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Vincent Hanna: You know what they're looking at?
Bosko: What?
Vincent Hanna: Us. The L-A-P-D. Po-lice Department... We just got made.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 17:47 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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But, time for a joke.

How do you ID an nsa guy?

One arm is ripped with muscle, the other is not.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 17:46 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Great movie.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 14:39 | Link to Comment MaHatma Coatma
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How the heck would I have ever found this info if not for Zerohedge?  Thank you for all you do.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 14:53 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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Great presentation.

The oligarchs must be really paranoid.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 16:20 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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They are. And are getting more so.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 16:48 | Link to Comment geewhiz
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What do you expect after the way eveyone here heckles them. Give the poor satanists a break for Gods sake.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 19:27 | Link to Comment Luckhasit
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They get no brakes here.  Only hate and loathing, like a mother in law.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 19:59 | Link to Comment Luckhasit
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They get no brakes here.  Only hate and loathing, like a mother in law.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 01:56 | Link to Comment Proofreder
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Breaks ... give a guy a break.

But Brakes works too; brakes went out

Mother-in-law didn't.


Mon, 12/30/2013 - 15:07 | Link to Comment One World Mafia
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I wish I saved the link but I read back around 2009 that Apple had a patent for a camera behind the computer screen.  I have a microsoft and I do not feel safe from that threat.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 15:11 | Link to Comment Canucklehead
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For a little context, here is an article about Blackberry's Outage timeline:

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 15:37 | Link to Comment bagehot99
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64 years ago, Geroge Orwell published 1984. 

The extent of the oversight, duplicity, manipulation and control seemed laughable.

Not now.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 16:22 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Hot mic and photos. Gotta love that.

Hi guys. Is your porn better than mine?


Mon, 12/30/2013 - 17:16 | Link to Comment geewhiz
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If you like your porn you can keep your porn.

Also please note that it is possilbe to turn on the phone camera and mike remotely so if you leave the phone by the bedside whilst servicing the missus be sure to do a good job to provide quality entertainment for these deprived (depraved?) perverts at the NSA. ZH has reported that they spend the lions share of their taxpayer paid time watching porn.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 17:44 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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The floor at nsa is stickier than an x-rated movie house.

And the seats...well, let's not go there.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 16:31 | Link to Comment notadouche
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Perhaps this explains the true nature of Blackberry's downfall?  You don't comply, you won't survive.  Can it be that simple?  

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 16:31 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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But seriously, if they could send you a recap of your day, edited, collated and organized, wouldn't that be helpful?

Pictures, sounds, data. All set out before you. They could even highlight the naughty bits that might get you in trouble with this or that law, which of course you would have no way of knowing if you were compliant, as the laws mount to infinity.

Where you were, what you were doing, where you were going, when you came back, what you did.

Then you could self correct. It would be like a beautiful FEMA camp, your life a FEMA camp, and your keeper then becomes yourself.You and your phone.

That's why it's smart. It knows things. About you.

You could become an outstanding citizen, and your mind could wander off on its own, in a fog, and you would still get things right.

Disclaimer : Please beware of sarcasm. It's effects are often uncontrollable. Kids, do not try this at home. Always wash your hands after using the toilet. And pledge allegiance to your flag daily.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 20:43 | Link to Comment Braverdave
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Or better yet the little black box tells you what to do.

Like in a story called Codemus (wriiten in 1967 by a Norwegian named Tor Age Bringsvaerd). The little black box is your "Little Brother" (or Little Sister as the case might be). Little Brothers all work together and tell you when to wake up, when to go to sleep, when and what to eat and so on. There is this guy named Codemus and one day his Little Brother goes nuts and leads him into rebellion against the usual structure. First by sleeping in when he should be awake. Then not going to work but instead the park and talking to a girl. Of course the authorities are closing in by tracking Little Brother's signal so he instructs Codemus to leave him behind on a train so Codemus can make an escape at the next station. Even so, with so much freedom Codemus is pretty much bewildered and lost. So much so that he is begging to be taken back into the protective arms of authority when they find him. Of course he gets a new Little Brother that isn't insane to tell him what to do.

What shall I have for dinner, Little Brother?




Mon, 12/30/2013 - 16:47 | Link to Comment Max Cynical
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In light of today's NSA revelations, I find it interesting to note that the Apple iPhone is designed with a battery that cannot be removed.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 16:47 | Link to Comment Max Cynical
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In light of today's NSA revelations, I find it interesting to note that the Apple iPhone is designed with a battery that cannot be removed.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 17:39 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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I tell people to put it in a small ammo box. Take it out when you need it.

Buzz (a nomme du guerre) actually carries his ammo can in a backpack.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 16:53 | Link to Comment the grateful un...
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when Steve Jobs died, or why Steve Jobs died

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 17:02 | Link to Comment john milton
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I can smell nsadaq crash here...

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 17:17 | Link to Comment Bunga Bunga
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Why the 30c3 is not held in D.C.?

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 18:33 | Link to Comment D7z
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Maybe cause CCC is a german computer club?

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 23:01 | Link to Comment Bunga Bunga
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I see, how is the American computer club doing?

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 17:20 | Link to Comment Winston Smith 2009
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How To Destroy An Industry

Just make sure you put back doors in virtually everything American technology companies produce -- an act of insane hubris -- and watch the customers flee.

And all for:

NSA program stopped no terror attacks, says White House panel member

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 17:23 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
Mon, 12/30/2013 - 17:45 | Link to Comment 22winmag
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"deserve neither"



Mon, 12/30/2013 - 18:53 | Link to Comment Catullus
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It's time to start publishing the names, phone numbers, and email addresses of those who are committing these crimes at the NSA and US military. They have total access to us, why can't we have it to them? He's right. This is only ever about control.


He goes on about more than just the \iphone and IOS.

He's also talking about how the NSA can sabatage a US company, stealing your mail, putting chips in your computers everywhere from your routers to BIOS to the fucking plug.

Also, a continuous wave generator... up to 1KW

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 18:00 | Link to Comment The Heart
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How the babylonians are exposed by a lots of pissed off inside people more and more and more until these clowns are ALL exposed to the world for being the azzhats they ALL are, and then brought to justice.



Mon, 12/30/2013 - 18:07 | Link to Comment BobRocket
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So the NSA and old 5 eyes can read your phone, mostly what you say is of no interest to anybody (especially the recipient, if only you could see their eyes glaze over as you blather on)


It's not personal Bitchez, it's Business. (in the National Interest of course)


Pods is right about the backdoor being in the hardware.

It's at the network level.

MSANs designed by BT for 21CN, Huawei were just contract manufacturers, they made what they were told and didn't bother to investigate at chip level.

The Chinese government hacked BT at Martlesham and discovered the backdoor that led to the traffic that the NSA (and Snowden) picked up that put Huawei on the pariahs list.





Mon, 12/30/2013 - 18:11 | Link to Comment BobRocket
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Duplicate post (doh!)


If you want secure comms then you have to create ad hoc mesh networks or drop a technological level and do what they did in Egypt when the Government turned off the phone system, paper based peer to peer with churches/mosques copying and redistributing messages (the NSA hated that)


Mon, 12/30/2013 - 18:14 | Link to Comment Black Forest
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What's an iPhone?

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 18:44 | Link to Comment jpc578
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I have an Android phone but for some reason I don't feel any more secure than iPhone users.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 18:49 | Link to Comment Catullus
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You're not.  Watch the video

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 18:49 | Link to Comment steelrules
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In case anyone needs  a reminder of the NSA's capabilities, this film came out in 1998, imagine where they are 15 years later.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 18:49 | Link to Comment Kina
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The main purpose of NSA surveillance and data collection is create leverage over people in decision making positions, be they judge, politician, Mayor or local policeman.


Did something naughty in your past, something emabarassing or even something illegal...doon't worry the NSA wont tell anybody....just if you are on a jury, or a policman, or politician...and the Masters want a certain outcome..... you will receive a 'request'  ....

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 23:38 | Link to Comment laosuwan
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you speak truth. and, even worse, even if you did not do any of those things they can still falsify that you did. orif all else fails just zero out your bank balance. when you understand things inthis context it becomes more clear why people like the Pope suddenly resign and a new pope who is more favorable to the nwo magically comes to power.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 18:50 | Link to Comment Zero Point
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So their software encrypts the data as it leaves the phone?

Thankfully, the NSA prizes your privacy so highly, that's top shelf.

Golf clap, Keith. Golf clap.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 18:51 | Link to Comment BobRocket
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'Golf clap, Keith. Golf clap.'


Is that like hooker clap but it only makes your balls itchy ?

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 19:30 | Link to Comment Zero Point
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Yes, a bit like "Tennis balls" which is mostly suffered by tennis pros serving the Hamptons area.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 18:55 | Link to Comment Joebloinvestor
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Do the Chinese get a free license to use?


Mon, 12/30/2013 - 19:03 | Link to Comment Hapa
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Oh, at least we know NSA can't attack Bitcoin, right?  They wouldn't be able to mess with that architecture, right?  That's the one inalienable fact in the universe, right? 

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 19:23 | Link to Comment royal
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Backdoor NSA surveillance: There's an app for that.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 19:23 | Link to Comment Fix It Again Timmy
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All that spy shit can be circumvented by a pen, paper, sealing wax, a cryptic message and a courier....Fuck You, NSA......

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 19:48 | Link to Comment Colonel Klink
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That message will never make it to you before you blow up in your Mercedes, ejecting the engine block 150 feet.  Just sayin.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 19:49 | Link to Comment BobRocket
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You fucking Americans have Absolutely no idea just how Absolutely fucked we are





Mon, 12/30/2013 - 23:25 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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Some of us do.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 19:51 | Link to Comment P.T.Bull
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Apple probably was required by law to develop this and keep it secret. Anybody who thinks their 'other' brand of phone is safe because a german newspaper hasn't said otherwise is naive.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 20:01 | Link to Comment BobRocket
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Let me rephsase

Your Economy Is Fucked


Nett out all the global economieis (let them lie about productiviy, it doesn't mattwr)


It is all about the maths



Mon, 12/30/2013 - 20:00 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Why do you think all the Media lemmings continue to ratchet the IPhone?

IPHONE 5S AND IPHONE 5C PARODY - Ultimate NSA Spying Device

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 20:02 | Link to Comment UGrev
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Rocking a BlackBerry z10 bitches!!

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 20:07 | Link to Comment Colonel Klink
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We know, and we can still see EVERYTHING!


Mon, 12/30/2013 - 20:13 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Z10 is my favorite device. It took me some time to pry away from the keyboard. The fuckin Apple device requires you to shift into horizonal mode and use toothpicks to reply to a email, text message.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 20:13 | Link to Comment Ayr Rand
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Bitcoin was invented by the NSA. And 80% of the bitcoins are owned by NSA or NSA employees. Welcome.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 20:30 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Bitcoin was invented by the NSA. And 80% of the bitcoins are owned by NSA or NSA employees. Welcome.What does this have to do with iPhone Government Numbnuts living in fear? Once we develop a safe Bitcoin transaction outside Apple ID login. What are you going to do for future employment?

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 21:29 | Link to Comment Ayr Rand
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Agreed. As the Internet was invented by the DoD, so NSA's Bitcoin can be the world standard for currrency. Thanks for agreeing with me.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 20:23 | Link to Comment Coldfire
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Mon, 12/30/2013 - 21:05 | Link to Comment DarthVaderMentor
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Blackberry has been thoroughly compromised and penetrated for years by the NSA through an agreement with the CSE (the Canadian equivalent of the NSA) as part of the 1948 Signals Intelligence agreement between NSA-CES-GCHQ and the Echelon consortium. Why would anyone think that a device given to US personnel for classified transmissions would not be? That would be a violation of signals intelligence tradecraft and audit trails for TS/SCI operational history.

One of the central operational precepts of the Central Security Service is "Do not allow anyone who looks to you for communications security to use any communications method or device you haven't compromised already."

The Spiegel On-Line article now publicly states that even Blackberry BBM e-mail communications of countries that have been given BB source code to verify have already been compromised for years, and they've even compromised the mail traffic which is touted as even more secure than the files on the device....LoL! From the Spiegel article:

"They infiltrated networks of European telecommunications companies and gained access to and read mails sent over Blackberry's BES email servers, which until then were believed to be securely encrypted. Achieving this last goal required a "sustained TAO operation," one document states." 

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 23:41 | Link to Comment kennard
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What about Secusmart and BES10?


"My take on this is that security is incredibly important, more so now that ever before. People have all kinds of stuff on their phones. Take SD cards, pictures, movies, etc. Think android lets you encrypt the SD card as standard? No. Google sees it as a security risk, so they don't even have a standard encryption option for SD cards baked in to the OS. Not sure about 4.4, I now only stick with Nexus devices.

Security is about the balance of covert and overt, majority of people don't understand encryption, they want to buy their shiny new phone and start yakking, taking selfies, or what ever the hell else they do. For the majority, security features need to be automatically enabled during the setup phase and then they disappear, that's what people want. That's what iOS gives them, Android (on a Nexus device) does but you have to enable the feature in security, which I think is a mistake.

I think as far as security is concerned BB10 is right at the top, the OS is as secure as can be, even without BB10 server. What does that give you? Gives companies control over their side of the phone, control of policies (browser access, etc) and most importantly ability to lock own that 'work' half of the phone, to secure / delete the work side (a few people I knew first realised they had been fired when their 'work' side of the phone was locked / deleted). Your phone isn't less secure because it isn't hooked up to BB10 Server. Blackberry's are secure, and anyone wanting to take it to the next level (securing their actual comms) can, This company could have used any OS for this, they chose BB10, why? You need a secure foundation that cannot be easily penetrated so the comms stay secure. That should say a lot for how secure the OS is.

Ultimately people are ignorant, they want things to just work. They don't think it will happen to them, until it does. Security needs to be working for you transparently from the get go, make it simple, make it powerful, so people, from Joe public to some CEO / Govt. official can use their secure phone as easily as their non secure phone.

Side loading .apk files, well these files run in their own space, they are heavily sand boxed, from the white papers I've read regarding QNX its far more difficult for these files to infiltrate the OS, tweak the settings, etc. The applications are only given the resources they require to run within this secure space.

Apples got it right, people don't know what they want until you tell them. Only tell them what they need to know. Blackberry needs to start telling people what they want, what they are missing out on. I'd say create their own reality distortion field, but distorting reality might be a little insecure. Maybe just stick to the hard facts... and offer more content!"

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 00:08 | Link to Comment kennard
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"The SecuSmart solution is not a one-off single-user security enhancement, it requires back-end services and network re-routing to work. Among other things, it completely bypasses the carrier's voice network for voice calls and sends that traffic via their own NOC using secure VoIP. It also authenticates the entity at the other side of the call, but in order to do that they probably have to be using SecuSmart as well. You can't make a secure voice call to someone at some random payphone somewhere. The whole point is to keep the traffic 100% off the insecure PSTN or wireless carrier voice network."

BTW, a Secusmart MicroSD goes for $3,000.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 20:36 | Link to Comment Save_America1st
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If you like your iDiot can definitely keep your iDiot phone...cuz we're spying the mother F'in shit outta that thing, bitchez!

Love -

Your NSA overlords

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 23:16 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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And to think i was considered crazy by family when I told them to keep their voices down when speaking in pro liberty conversations around the iPhone.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 20:58 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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What can I say really? Fuck these police state NSA cunts! These fucks believe that every American is a servant and a slave to their all powerful rule and authority over us. THEY are the power who decides all, we live at their pleasure.

I ask you to consider this when you read about this power the NSA has, and from what I read, so far, we have had less than 1% of the entire revelations of NSA and CIA power over us. Consider this, using their total power over communications and the internet, how hard would it be for them to plant on you and your devices all that is necessary in the way of evidence for you to be arrested and sent to the CIA's secret torture prison in Poland and never be seen again? Remember, they have the power to spy, thay also have the power to alter and to plant ANY amount of digital evidence to make you out to be a terrorist or a criminal. The ease with which they command all electonic devices and communications channels, means that can plant emails and financial transactions and conversations etc. etc. that you nevr made, but which they added to you records. This is an evil power being commanded by evil men, from the President to congress to their spies and imperial armies. These groups in power now live good lives and leech tons of money off of us to live that good life, from here on in, THEY will use their spy powers to maintain THEIR jobs, health benefits, college and jobs for their kids, and that nice fat retirement check that you will be paying. Will they ever give up the powers they now have to maintain nice happy wealthy comfortable lives by being the spy cheifs and the military imperial power center? Answer" "no".

This has gone too far, if American do not act now, then they are simply doomed to be debt slaves living in Orwellian society commanded by spy thugs and cop thugs with unlimited power.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 23:28 | Link to Comment laosuwan
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yes, until the us dollar becomes worthless and the government runs out of money. think this through... the usa will need hundreds of trillions of dollars to repair and replace aging bridges, highways, railways, ports, waterways and buildings in the next 10-30 years. where will it get the money? what about jobs and schools, airports, universities? the usa has spent all its money on spying and police and prisons. it has no more manufacturing base and has lost all its skills in construction. the usa will have to stop all this spying when it runs out of money. the nsa facility in utah where they store all this data uses millions of gallons of water that farmers and cities need. in ten years or less there will be water left to cool all those nsa computers. this problem of spying will solve itself when the usa government goes broke.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 21:25 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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don't know about you fuckers (said with a most affectionate tone), but i personally have no issues discussing what i discuss here in a court of law and recorded in the public record.

now should that public record become sealed and blacked out "in the interest of national security", then honestly at this point, i'm comfortable with allowing the universe to decide.

sometimes you just gotta know you're fucked already and let go.   this, i humbly choose to believe, is one of those times.


Mon, 12/30/2013 - 21:21 | Link to Comment The Count
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Check out the dorky, twisted names they give all those projects, like dropout jeep (wtf?), monkeyass and so a high school science class gone ape shit. They are all high on acid it seems...

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 22:20 | Link to Comment rosiescenario
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....adolescent sociopaths????

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 21:24 | Link to Comment Jameson18
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You want to stop all of spying. Start publishing the names addresses and photos of the people who work at the NSA. While your at it publish a photo and address of any other government or law enforcement official who goes against the Constitution. Ask yourself if your ready to turn in your neighbor and put his or her face every where.

At some point everyone of you better look in the mirror and ask. What am I prepared to do ?

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 23:00 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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As Americans, we are obligated to expose the people who profit from the ruin of our freedoms. I really would like to know who these NSA fuckers are. I'de like to know who lives off of us taxpayers like  leeches and then commands the right to spy on my every thought and deed. I hope Snowden took down staff lists and that he will publish them in full soon.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 07:33 | Link to Comment Notarocketscientist
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Perhaps this is one of Snowden's means of protecting himself......  if any harm were to come to him he'd release all such information, along with other highly damaging personal info on people involved. 

Kind of like a reverse NSA op.....  

Perhaps the NSA head called up a tranny freak to come over for a little dong action - and Eddie has that file - and Mr Alexander knows that he is in a bad spot. 

Like Snowden said - he could tap the President if he wanted to - so surely he covered his as with some seriously compromising shit on these fuckers.


Tue, 12/31/2013 - 01:34 | Link to Comment damicol
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Go to and add all the MF'ers there and ask everyone you know by adding thier emails to get invitied to add more of the evil bastartds running the show

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 21:27 | Link to Comment muleskinner
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How I learned to stop worrying and became another bunghole to be thoroughly examined.

Your iphone is kind of like having an anal probe implanted by aliens.

Just another day in America.

Get over it.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 21:41 | Link to Comment walküre
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What if thousands of Americans stormed the NSA just like thousands of East Germans stormed the Stasi building in Berlin 1990? Shouting "We Are The People!"

This shit show is over NOW. The government has to be shown the door. Pay taxes? For what? Sign up to Obamacare? Pffft. Keep serving the oppressive elite? How much longer and with what consequences? The more we enable them, the harder they fuck us. You all understand there is only one solution when things get to a head.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 21:46 | Link to Comment pot_and_kettle
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Not sure it matters, but this is the first time I've seen Drudge link to ZH

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 23:09 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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They've done it before.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 22:06 | Link to Comment razorthin
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Backdoor penetration techniques.

Yeah, that's for sure.  How about a fucking trapdoor under under the feet of your noose-necked body.  Cocksuckers.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 22:21 | Link to Comment rosiescenario
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Being a good, tax paying serf, I have no fear of my overlords perusing my iPhone. Let me clearly confirm that I have always supported the NSA, DOJ, FBI, BATF, and CIA.*


.*...message sent from my iPhone....

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 23:11 | Link to Comment homiegot
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That's some pretty shitty software, but look at the morons that use the iPhone. No clue.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 23:18 | Link to Comment laosuwan
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After watching this, I wonder if there is any point to bother with encryption

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 23:50 | Link to Comment laosuwan
Mon, 12/30/2013 - 23:52 | Link to Comment rick4654
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To any tech savy Zerohedgers,

How difficult would it be to have Dropout Jeep software removed from an i-phone?



Tue, 12/31/2013 - 00:08 | Link to Comment seek
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Basically impossible, since they're using exploits of the phone's firmware and/or hooks provided by apple and/or the cell phone service providers remote management interface. The ability to remotely install software is fundamentally built into the phone's firmware, and likely also in the baseband processor (some in the hacking community are pretty much saying now the only real role of a baseband processor is to enable spying.)

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 02:42 | Link to Comment Runs-With_Toast
Tue, 12/31/2013 - 03:40 | Link to Comment Freewheelin Franklin
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Get an Android and chroot it.


You can use Tor, open source PGP and Giggerbot IM. And, you can istall Kali OS if you want.


Tue, 12/31/2013 - 01:04 | Link to Comment cherry picker
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The NSA stuff only works if you let it.  We got along fine without all this stuff a few decades ago and we still lived good. 

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 01:07 | Link to Comment redwater
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I wonder how long before iPhones are banned in certain companies or industries. Knowing now, that they are completely rooted.

Full disclosure: As a part-time developer. I own Macs, iPhones and iPads.


Tue, 12/31/2013 - 01:09 | Link to Comment fijisailor
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How about a low tech solution.  Turn it off and leave the fucking iphone at home.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 01:29 | Link to Comment damicol
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Sent this  to thousands  in China ..

Does Apple think its going to sell their shit in China after this goes viral



Tue, 12/31/2013 - 06:29 | Link to Comment dreadnaught
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you idiot ALL  smart phones are hacked- finish high school will you.....geeze...... windows OS since 1989




Tue, 12/31/2013 - 02:21 | Link to Comment Proofreder
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Tue, 12/31/2013 - 02:43 | Link to Comment Runs-With_Toast
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My bet a core group in apple is in on it. You can wipe the stuff. First jail break then root phone. Now you can comb thru files apps to see whats there.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 03:42 | Link to Comment Freewheelin Franklin
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That's a nice little computer company you got there. It would be a shame if something were to happen to it.




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Tue, 12/31/2013 - 05:43 | Link to Comment smacker
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Nothing mentioned about Samsung Smartphones...


It's way past time for people to debate and argue about "what" private data the NSA (and Brit GCHQ) are unlawfully harvesting from iPhones, Laptops, Desktops, Tablets etc etc etc, mostly with complete co-operation of the product developers, and faced the fact that they're harvesting everything they want.

And I have never believed that it's only "metadata" that's being stolen, even though that in itself contains a lot of useful information.

This should lead to progress in exposing the totally falacious spy agency claims that it's all about protecting us from terrorism. The spy agencies are themselves terrorists.

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