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The Complete Guide To How The NSA Hacked Everything

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Two days ago we observed the latest disclosure in the seemingly endless Snowden treasure trove of leaked NSA files, when Spiegel released the broad details of the NSA's Access Network Technology (ANT) catalog explaining how virtually every hardware architecture in the world has been hacked by the US superspies. We followed up with a close up of "Dropout Jeep" - the NSA's project codename for backdoor entry into every iPhone ever handed out to the Apple Borg collective (because it makes you look cool). Today, we step back from Apple and release the full ANT catalog showcasing the blueprints of how the NSA managed to insert a backdoor into virtually every piece of hardware known under the sun.

And so, without further ado, here is the complete slidebook of how the NSA hacked, well, everything.


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Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:13 | 4289629 gmrpeabody
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So, they already know what's inside my box of CrackerJacks...?

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:13 | 4289635 negative rates
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Moral of the story, never trust liars!

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:16 | 4289644 DoChenRollingBearing
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Names and addresses of all the liars, spies, thieves and scum please.


Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:23 | 4289661 ZerOhead
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"... the NSA managed to insert a backdoor into virtually every piece of hardware known under the sun."


Except the iCamel ironically... the favorite mode of transportation for Al Qaeda militants everywhere. Apparently the planned "backdoor" instalation procedure could not find enough field operatives with extremely long arms...

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:28 | 4289671 fonestar
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I don't know if I would call any of this "hacking".  All they did was went to the developers of these companies and worked with them from the start to gain access.  Seems like the NSA is a bunch of script-kiddies, not hackers.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:40 | 4289705 knukles
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Of all the information sources before encryption, the NSA had to barge in here.

Guys, I been telling ya for years.
If it's connected to the ether-space, they own it.

Another Conspiracy Theory shot to shit, to Conspiracy Fact.

To all you Doubting Thomas's out there, like my buds told me, they front and back end run everything. pre and post encryption... and then decrypt  the rest at their leisure.
Been sayin' that for years.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:01 | 4289751 nmewn
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Its not paranoia if they really are spying on you.

I'll leave the obvious underlying BitStory on this alone...but they've never been able to bug my precious ;-)

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:25 | 4289802 fonestar
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Using hyperspectral imaging your stash of shiny metals can be easily discovered.  

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:46 | 4289839 Race Car Driver
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Wed, 01/01/2014 - 15:09 | 4291175 Boris Alatovkrap
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Only defense against all powerful government is incompetence of same.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 20:03 | 4289860 nmewn
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ROTFL!!!...they may be just looking at my stash of lead.

Furthermore, can they just "teleport" it into their BitWallet off the lake & swamp bottoms through the ether like your digitized crap or do they actually have to bust a move on it? ;-)

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 21:46 | 4290078 fonestar
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Lead is easily distinguished from gold and silver, this is not new technology.  And Bitcoin is much more easily transported (smuggled) than physical gold and silver.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 09:51 | 4290627 nmewn
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That is a flaw as well as a feature fonestar, depending on the circumstances.

Just ask the people in Cyprus.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:29 | 4289803 inca
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30c3: To Protect And Infect,
-“The Militarization of the Internet”

Video+more here:

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 20:17 | 4289888 Race Car Driver
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It was always military. All those AOL disks in everyone's mailbox just got folks confused.

Imagine being on a farm. And being in a cage. And thinking about tomorrow. And being in a cage. And thinking about tomorrow. And being in a cage. And thinking about tomorrow.

But never really pondering the role of the farmer.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 21:42 | 4290046 Rusty Shorts
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 Siri spelled backwards is iris (eye)= illuminati bullshit.


Illimunati spelled backwards is itanumilli = www.itanimilli (dot) com...put that in your brower and wait for it, wait, yup, it's the NSA website.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 22:36 | 4290168 Jerome Lester H...
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A fellow by the name of John Fenley of Provo, Utah purchased the domain and purposely redirects it to the NSA homepage. Come on, this is old news and not nefarious. Plus you spelled your link incorrectly. Happy New Year!

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 22:57 | 4290193 Rusty Shorts
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LOL, burrp, Cheers and a Happy New Year!!!

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 15:12 | 4291179 Boris Alatovkrap
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Three name I enjoy; John, Fenley, and Provo.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 01:50 | 4295733 Rusty Shorts
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Defcon 18 - Practical Cellphone Spying - Chris Paget -

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 11:49 | 4290741 GeezerGeek
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Does one go there to turn oneself in? Can you reserve a spot in a nearby FEMA camp on that site? Can I call in a drone strike on myself there?

Go there at your own risk.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 22:16 | 4290134 Hulk
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Howd you know my name is Thomas ???

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 04:56 | 4290496 StychoKiller
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Time to upgrade the ol' Commodore-C64.  Should they bother to listen in, they'll die from old age before the C64 is done transmitting! :>D

Guess these jokers never saw/read "The Anderson Tapes"

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:21 | 4289784 Tijuana Donkey Show
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I question why they release this. First, as you can tell fonestar, this is all 5 years old, and seems to be their basic hack'n'stack tools. Second, this is all basic IP redirect tools that have been seen, only people outside of IT would be surprised to hear of it's existance. I still think Snowden is part of some larger plan, and the leaks are more of a probe to see what people will get outraged about. From my experience with my family, who I have explained how this was happening for years and was labeled a "nutjob," just shrugged it off. Fantasy football anyone?

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:32 | 4289809 fonestar
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I am not sure myself whether Snowden is the real deal or a perception management tool towards a total police state.  But it does seem that the majority of people do not care, or at least have not altered their behaviour in light of these revelations.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:39 | 4289821 Papasmurf
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Seems like the NSA is a bunch of script-kiddies, not hackers.

You're clueless. 

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:44 | 4289829 fonestar
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Refute a single thing I have said.  What did the NSA hack?

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 20:19 | 4289902 NidStyles
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Most hacking is done face to face and with the other person clueless about who the actual mark is. At this point we no idea who the mark is.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 22:57 | 4290200 doctor10
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Like the man said, if you enter a poker game and you don’t see a sucker, get up and leave – you’re it.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 15:19 | 4291182 Boris Alatovkrap
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What man is say that??

Side bar: No 20000+ Asia "women" is tantalize Boris! Please to go away! Click to make ad go away but is only come in more!

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 02:59 | 4290454 ForTheWorld
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That's not hacking. That's called social engineering.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 20:10 | 4294883 TheReplacement
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Social engineering is hacking.  It is the ballsiest kind - face to face, per se.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 09:34 | 4290620 tmosley
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Is it really social engineering when thugs with badges show up and tell you to give them access and that if you don't they'll railroad you on kiddie porn possession? 

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 18:07 | 4291551 CH1
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No, that's a mobster shakedown.

The companies were supposed to close up shop rather than sell out their customers. The owners of those companies are lying assholes. Gutless degenerates.

Levar Levison did it the honorable way.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:28 | 4289673 gmrpeabody
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Now that I'd like to see...,

some NSA dude reaching inside the backdoor of a camel.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 20:38 | 4289947 lotsoffun
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know your camels.  and remember who the 'bedouins' became.  this is a lot of fun for you guys!!  happy new years. and the article is incorrect actually, it's not the pebbles preventing anything, it's the later irritation causing mis-carriage. best i could find on the internet.

Modern IUD was created by Ernest Graftenberg in the early 1960’s. However, back in the days Arab Bedouins used first IUDs on their camels. For the camel not to get pregnant on the long journey across the desert, they used to place pebbles into camels uterus, thus making it difficult for the sperm to reach an egg.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 20:48 | 4289969 knukles
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The English back in the days of old when they owned most of the world learned of goat intestine being used and prophylactics.  Their improvement was to remove the intestine from the goat before use.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 20:55 | 4289975 Harbanger
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Screwin a dead goat is even worse. No?

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 21:17 | 4290024 varnelius
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You can't beat a dead horse, but you can...

Oh, oops.  Nevermind.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 00:07 | 4290318 Dr. Destructo
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Depends on the alternative.

What are my options?

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:17 | 4289645 disabledvet
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what if this a lie? or worse..."just a pile of bullshit that everyone is doing right now but we're just gonna single out the NSA for some stupid reason."

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:30 | 4289650 ZerOhead
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Your car?

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:39 | 4289709 knukles
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If its connected to the ether....

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:59 | 4289747 ZerOhead
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Perhaps it's time to install a hand-operated emergency ejector seat in case I come down with a bad case of 'Boston Brakes'...

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 22:21 | 4290136 Hulk
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Even a 71 Dodge Dart, where the road can be seen between your feet ???

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:38 | 4289707 VD
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Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:15 | 4289643 zerozulu
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Nothing to worry about. All super powers have done same thing before collapsing. How long $ can hold its breath when water is far above the head is question to ponder about.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:29 | 4289675 disabledvet
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well...let's see what our Super Hero's are up to so that we might be saved somehow/someway:

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:22 | 4289792 Rentier
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Only looks like they hacked server BIOS and other commercial appliances (Cisco).  Not desktop boxes.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:42 | 4289831 Papasmurf
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Only looks like they hacked server BIOS and other commercial appliances (Cisco).  Not desktop boxes.

Your data flows through servers.  The server is an efficient gathering point for your communications.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:29 | 4289804 D7z
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30c3 stream with applebaum, about this document and explaining it, kinda must see to believe how far they might be...

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 02:40 | 4290440 WillyGroper
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From the 56 min point I began to smell buring hair. UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!!!!!

Between smart meters, the deployment of drones (mine's the 1st state) & an ungodly amount of new towers being put up everyday, Ray Charles could see this being blind & dead. 

Riddle me this. Along major interchanges on the hiways here, I've been noticing shit piles of tall towers with a bubble (camera 360?) & 5-6 downward directed (god knows what). Would you happen to know what these are surveillance being a given?


Wed, 01/01/2014 - 06:44 | 4290539 zhandax
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Around here, a lot of them are for this:

Click the camera checkbox, pick a city, and hold your mouse over a camera.  Has saved a half-hour parked on the freeway a few times.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:14 | 4289630 chdwlch1
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A good thing to keep in mind...don't recall the source.

"In a complete surveilance society, sarcasm equals plausible deniability."


Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:15 | 4289639 Excursionist
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Who makes up these project names?  Nerdy kids playing secret agent?


Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:42 | 4289712 knukles
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I want that fucking job.  Top Secret Clearance, MK Ultra Level Prime, salary of $175K, full health care (non-Obie) paid by the WhoZeeFutzEs, big bad ass pension, 401K, post retirement health care bennies, and a nasty fucking Badge so you can do whatever your liittle heart desires, plus a Federal Cat 3 permit, plus carry.

Oh, and a black AMEX, no limit paid by some idiot peasants somewhere.


Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:20 | 4289648 ultraticum
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DropoutJeep (Apple iPhone):  "A remote installation facility will be pursued soon."

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:22 | 4289654 dick cheneys ghost
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Ike was right......

'Dwight D. Eisenhower exit speech on Jan.17,1961.
Warning us of the military industrial complex.'

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:45 | 4289721 knukles
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That speech as we commonly know it warning us of the MIC was actually delivered earlier that very same day to many senior members of COngress... who upon the conclusion, told Ike in no uncertain terms that the Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex was to be shortened by one operative word, Congressional....

Troof and nuff said.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:26 | 4289657 One And Only
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A fucking cooking show.


Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:33 | 4289685 gmrpeabody
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Don't hold back..., let it out.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 20:43 | 4289951 Harbanger
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People are not pissed at Obama because of their loss of privacy, freedom or liberty.  They're pissed because they realized they have to pay for free healthcare.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 23:41 | 4290287 JimS
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You are wrong, Sir. I am pissed at Obama because of the "loss of privacy, freedom, and liberty"; plus a whole lot more. 

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:29 | 4289676 A Lunatic
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Go to almost any web forum or news site and read the comments. Everyone is fucking angry, everyone is to their limit and wishing all manner of ill upon those in charge of this shitfest. So.......unless they have a spook for every five persons on the planet they cannot possibly process the data. They want us to have such fear that we censor ourselves lest we draw the ire of the all knowing NSA. The Germans did the same thing, and looking back it is plain to see just how thin their manpower was spread. Without voluntary compliance most of what comes out of Washington would fail spectacularly..........

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:36 | 4289699 Harbanger
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All I see lately when walking around are people freezing their ass off smoking a cigarette outside in the name of compliance. 

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:51 | 4289738 A Lunatic
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You compare cigarette smoking, which endangers the health of those who do not wish to smoke, to NSA spying and data collection from the private communications of individuals around the globe?? You need to brush up on the Constitution........

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:06 | 4289756 Harbanger
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What? Since when did you become a compliant lunatic.  You think they give a fuck about your health?  You're an example of how we're all victims of nannyism.  It's all tests to see how far they can control your behavior.  They don't need a big police force.  Your friendly neighbor will rat you out in a heartbeat and feel very good about it.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:09 | 4289766 A Lunatic
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I give a fuck about my health. If you want to kill yourself with cigarrete smoke it is your right to do so, however, you do not have a right to force me to breath the shit. (I (considerately) smoked for 25 years btw) .I fail to see how a law protecting my right to breath smoke free air makes anyone a victim of Nannyism. I do see how a government (especially the fucking United States government) completely dismantling the Constitution in order to keep us 'safe' could be considered to be problematic in some circles......

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:16 | 4289774 Harbanger
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"I fail to see how a law protecting my right to breath smoke free air ..."

That's a right?  You must be a modern lunatic.  You like the nanny state as long as it doesn't infringe on your perceived "rights".  Where are the fucking real revolutionaries?

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:23 | 4289787 A Lunatic
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Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:24 | 4289790 Harbanger
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Best leave it at that.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:27 | 4289796 A Lunatic
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I put that there in order to keep you from your cowardly habit of editing your post after the fact.


I'm using this post to tell you to take a reading comprehension class you fucking moron......

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:30 | 4289808 Harbanger
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Don't start name calling, I'm telling you these things in the hope you wake up to the inconsistency of your logic.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:35 | 4289813 A Lunatic
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That is exactly what I'm talking about. You started the name calling FFS. I'm sorry but I simply do not have the time to indulge your 'Captain of the debate team' fantasies any longer.........

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 20:33 | 4289930 Advoc8tr
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Your argument is sound ... your application is however selective. What about the far more serious contribution to dirty air from cars, factoroes - industry in general ?  Cigarette smoke is the very least of your worries ?

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 21:36 | 4290060 A Lunatic
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I did not select the example, merely applied my reasoning to the example illustrated by the other poster. I agree that cigarette smoking is the least of our worries. The point is there are things expressly guaranteed by the constitution and then there are things that are neither beneficial to, or a danger to, society as a whole which we corporately agree to either allow or disallow since they are not expressly guaranteed nor forbidden by the constitution. As far as smoking is concerned society has agreed that it is not in the public interest to allow a smoker to pollute the immediate environment of non smoking individuals with toxic smoke. People generally need transportation and industry (your example) in order to travel and work. Again society as a whole has agreed that certain measures should be in place to provide the best air quality standards obtainable with as little impact on travel and industry as reasonable. Meanwhile, while we discuss the nuances of breathing polluted air, which we all know is unhealthy, the NSA is secretly stealing all of our communications (including this one), compiling data on our banking records, purchasing habits, medical files, travel plans etc. which is CLEARLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL, and precious few seem to notice because they are all fucking consumed with pointing out spelling errors, and trolling in order to divert attention to one of their tried and true divide and conquer topics. Happy New Year.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 17:01 | 4300208 shiftless
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"The point is there are things expressly guaranteed by the constitution"

Like for instance, smoking cigarettes on private property. See: 9th and 10th amendment. Also See: Declaration of Independence.

"As far as smoking is concerned society has agreed that it is not in the public interest to allow a smoker to pollute the immediate environment of non smoking individuals with toxic smoke."

"Society" has agreed to no such thing, simpleton. There is a HUGE percentage of people in this country who think you're fucking full of shit.

Tell me, if it's the 'pollution' that people are so concerned about, why is it not legal to have a bar or restaurant with ventilation fans installed and isolated booths so smokers can enjoy a smoke indoors in peace and comfort, without anyone else having to breathe it in? Why are they forced to go outside in the freezing ass cold to smoke?

"Again society as a whole has agreed that certain measures should be in place to provide the best air quality standards obtainable with as little impact on travel and industry as reasonable."

That's cute, except you're completely full of shit, because "society" has decided no such thing. There are many millions of people in this country who absolutely DO NOT share your views. Unfortunately most of them are too cowardly to speak up, but people ARE waking up to the stupidity of this nanny state bullshit.

"Meanwhile, while we discuss the nuances of breathing polluted air, which we all know is unhealthy, the NSA is secretly stealing all of our communications (including this one), compiling data on our banking records, purchasing habits, medical files, travel plans etc. which is CLEARLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL, and precious few seem to notice because they are all fucking consumed with pointing out spelling errors"

Right, you're pissed off that nobody is standing up for your right to privacy, but you can't be bothered to stand up (or even recognize) anyone's right to smoke a fucking cigarette in peace. Classic irony.

Look in the mirror: useful idiots like you are destroying this country.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 01:38 | 4290404 putaipan
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first they came for the cigarette smokers ...

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 13:35 | 4290957 Hulk
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Then they came for the butz...

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 21:37 | 4290067 Andre
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Wed, 01/01/2014 - 02:59 | 4290452 WillyGroper
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I too am a reformed smoker. If it wasn't for WB7 & the comments here, I think I'd fire one up.

This is fucking hopeless.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:38 | 4289701 Ralph Spoilsport
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Lets all go outside after midnite and terminate our iPhones and iPads with extreme prejudice. Shotguns work better but YMMV.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 23:32 | 4290265 JimS
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Better still: don't buy an iPhone or an iPad.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 10:59 | 4290672 varnelius
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A .50 cal does the job very nicely:

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:31 | 4289679 Sashko89
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Including bitcoin?

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:51 | 4289729 knukles
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Read it carefully.
They own the info, pre and post encryption.

End of Fucking Conversation.

Last time I went through this and explained it, I got shit upon by a dozen folks telling me that because they were my professional sources, it was second hand, not verifiable, personal opinion, etc., etc., etc.
Fuck the doubters.

They own it.


Wed, 01/01/2014 - 03:03 | 4290455 WillyGroper
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The PS2 really got me.


In the name of Reverend Wright, Goddamn America! And the rest of the dual passport motherfuckers implementing this madness.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:33 | 4289688 Ralph Spoilsport
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A lot of these exploits require physical access to the device, including the iPhone (they may have the remote installation capability by now so who knows). A takeaway from this is that the spooks would rather steal the data directly from the device by compromising it as opposed to doing the harder work of decrypting the data after it leaves the device. Intercepting new servers and modifying them before the customer takes delivery fits this strategy. Same with not bothering to decrypt the Yahoo/Google traffic - they just tap the cables and steal it while it's still in the clear.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:04 | 4289762 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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The old methods still work best. Password protected files and connections. Just use longer passwords these days. 14 characters is 'standard' these days for strong passwords.

Malware, spyware and viruses are still just that regardless of who is trying to plant them on your devices.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:15 | 4289772 Ralph Spoilsport
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Your password length won't matter if somebody physically compromises your phone, which will then happily send along your 14 character password. If they get the remote installation working so physical access is no longer required, things will go to hell quickly among iPhone fans. It will also indicate that Apple is complicit or NSA has an insider there helping with getting around new encryption contained in each iOS update.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:22 | 4289786 A Lunatic
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I saw that Facebook can read what you type regardless of it being posted or not. Say you type in a scathing commentary on the Wookie in Chief and then decide not to post it. Too bad, it is captured and saved in your file. If this is indeed true, then it seems there is little protection from your passwords being captured as they are typed either.........

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:28 | 4289807 knukles
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FFS, people, wisen up

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:49 | 4289837 Ralph Spoilsport
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Confirmation that they can completely own the iPhone remotely will come out later. We assume this to be true on ZH and have said so repeatedly but few take notice of comments on "low-brow fringe blogs". Now you have security experts like Bruce Schneier and Jacob Applebaum 'splainin' it all to da peeps, and they can dig it.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:36 | 4289818 Ralph Spoilsport
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Most websites can probably do that if they want to. ZH can probably do the same thing and save everything you typed in but decided to delete. I can't think of a good reason for ZH to do that but it's no big deal to implement.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 20:01 | 4289859 DoChenRollingBearing
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A Lunatic

"Wookie in chief"   ???

You're scaring the children!




Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:33 | 4289814 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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If your phone has been physically compromised you've most likely been personally targeted for surveillance. You are already on the radar, they don't waste resources on some joe schmoe for calling Moochelle a wookie. If anything they use that sort shit to spy on their spouses and girl/boyfriends if a specific target wasn't assigned to them. People are people don't give them too much credit.

The real question is who are they selling these devices to, and in turn who and where are these customers using said devices.


Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:53 | 4289848 Ralph Spoilsport
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Local law enforcement will be big customers because this gear can help greatly with parallel construction. DHS has funding and NSA issues a catalog filled with goodies, complete with pricing and availability.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 03:09 | 4290462 WillyGroper
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What difference does it make if they own the data 15 yrs back? Can't unring that bell.

They have the technology to kill you slowly or otherwise via remote control. They don't have to come get your gun.

What do you think the smart meter deployment was for? Turns your wiring into an antenna. 

I have visions of bobcats & FEMA coffins.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:31 | 4289691 JustObserving
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If only the Fed had NSA capabilities at its disposal, it could easily contol all the world's markets.

Wait a minute ....

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:33 | 4289693 dbTX
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Land of the free my ass !

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:35 | 4289697 Ted K
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This is a very kind sportscaster, he is wanting as many Twitter "followers" as he can get as a New Years gift. COME ON ZeroHedge congregation, show him your powers!!!!! 


Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:35 | 4289698 Bindar Dundat
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I am a techie and I have never been so impressed with any organization as I am with NSA and NADIR. 

This is mind boggling.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:46 | 4289718 Jack Burton
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Thank God for Snowden. If not for him, we would not know what the US government has done in the name of their lust for power, control and greed. I say greed, because much of what NSA does is directed to corporate and banking America to allow them to insider trade, to cheat, to lie, to destroy competitive capitalism and to force the 99% into a defeated and servile postion with the all powerful government allied with the corporate and banking elites to spy on the entire planet earth for their own gain. This is not about terrorism, all these NSA fucks could not stop the Chechen brothers from bombing Boston, when the one even filled his facebook with radical Islamic posts and open threats. Where was NSA and CIA when Russia called twice to warn them? I tell you where, "Spying for Goldman Sachs so they could front run the markets and insider trade."

The giant lie of 2013 is "The NSA spys to keep us safe" That is a fucking lie, a giant fucking lie. They spy out of greed, out of power lust and out of down right hatred for Americans and American's freedoms. They hate us, learn to accept that, and you will  be a long way towards getting free again. WHo is the enemy? Think! Think hard. Who is fucking you up the ass and asking you to thank them for it. Hint! The US government and the elite corporate masters. Thats who!

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:14 | 4289775 JohnnyBriefcase
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Maybe, just maybe the NSA had something to do with Boston.
I know it's crazy cuz they just want to protect us but, maybe they had something to gain.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 20:21 | 4289901 lotsoffun
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jack - let's not forget, in the world of flipping burgers and being a greeter - it's got to be a much better paying job.  and, for those of us that enjoy that kind of thing, it's a lustful feeling of power.  the nsa is pure facism from top to bottom.  myself, i wouldn't even want a job like that, i really don't want to know the dirt on anybody else.  i've lived long enough to know, if somebody is doing bad stuff, it comes to the surface, by itself, may take time.  i don't need to be digging for it.


Wed, 01/01/2014 - 17:55 | 4291515 steve2241
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"the NSA is pure fascism"  First time I've seen it described as such.  Spot on.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:49 | 4289724 e2thex
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FACT:  Every technological device that we use has been hacked. An Orwellian Universe.


If you knew a year ago that "extremists" were going to detonate a WMD in three major American cities, and that it could only be prevented by all the existing survelliance being put into place, would you reject the surveillance?

Thumbs up Yes

Thumbs down NO

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:52 | 4289741 knukles
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The Pearl Harbor/False Flag/Inside Job Philosophical Conundrum.

Same reason that nobody in the AF wants to fly a B2 into battle.  They cost too much, so if we loose one, then....
If we stop 'em they'll know we can get to their info and then they'll figure out pigeons can home and notes penned in lemon juice and urine are cool


Tue, 12/31/2013 - 21:38 | 4290064 e2thex
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It's not a philosophical conundrum, son.

The problem is you like to talk shit.

"Baby shit. The worst kind."--Prine

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 22:48 | 4290178 knukles
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On the contrary, e2thex, the consideration as to expend the information and possibly disenfranchise the sourcing thereof can indeed be framed solely within an ethical and utilitarian context for which the trolley conundrum establishes a significant framework of analysis.

It's not shit, son; it's thoughts of a deeper plane enshrined in a realistic, cynical view from a casual observer of the human condition. 

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 23:36 | 4290277 e2thex
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So you think the Trolley Conundrum is "thoughts of a deeper plane enshrined in a realistic..." 

In your cited conundrum regardless of the choice no one on the trolley has their life at risk.

Let me cite Trolley Conundrum II. 

You have five people in a trolley and five people stalled in a car on a train track.  The trolley can derail and kill everyone inside the trolley or kill everyone in the stalled car.  The answer is:

You are not unlike an academic asshole sitting in a Philosphy  Department teaching a class in Ethics with no understanding of self-preservation.  Don't let me take you away from "a deeper plane enshrined in" drivel.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 03:26 | 4290473 WillyGroper
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Knuklisms are spot on. Haven't read one I didn't like yet.

Prine: Some Human's Ain't Human

        Sam Stone

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:20 | 4289779 bunzbunzbunz
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You realize many of the people here want to see the country fall no matter the cost right? There is greed on both sides of the pro/anti-government/fed/anythingelse debate. Many of the people who are vocal here are sure to be shorters. The goal for these people would be to stir up as much negative sentiment against the government as possible. Short the dollar, short the the equities, buy gold, and hope for the worst. It is the hope of truly shit people that drives the most vocal arguments for or against something.

Have you ever noticed who gets angry at retail stores? People trying to steal who get called out; people expected to get what THEY want no matter what; people trying to get the return policy bent in THEIR favor for THEIR gain - either out of ignorance or pure greed.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 23:07 | 4290215 e2thex
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Zero Hedge's Tyler has an Agenda.

He's not Buster Brown, and he doesn't live in a shoe.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 23:21 | 4290248 JimS
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Zero Hedge's "Tyler" has an "Agenda". It's an agenda that seeks to get out the real truth into public view. To put out truthful reporting on politics, on government dealings, on financial honesty, and many other topics. ZH is doing what real reporters, in the MSM, should be doing.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 23:35 | 4292407 Race Car Driver
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Are you sure?


Tue, 12/31/2013 - 23:12 | 4290217 JimS
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I don't "want" my country to fall or fail. I don't want my country to protect financial criminals. I am not a "shorter", but I do not believe financial criminals, who short, should be allowed to do "shorting" with help from the Federal Reserve. I do not want to "stir up as much negative sentiment against the government as possible", but, I want my government to be truthful, honest, straight-forward, and fair; and not protect financial criminals. I buy gold as an insurance policy against a "dishonest" government that prints money without regard to bad consequences. What the fuck is: "who gets angry at retail stores", all about? I get angry at banksters who steal real money and suffer no bad consequences, and actually get bonuses for doing this type of bad behavior. I have served my country with honor, what about you? You, sir/madam, are the provocateur that you cast blame to others on this site for being such. You are a troll.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 03:27 | 4290475 WillyGroper
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"I want my government to be truthful, honest, straight-forward, and fair; and not protect financial criminals."

People in hell want ice water.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:50 | 4289841 NotApplicable
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I'm not stupid enough to believe in the possiblity of the premise of your question, as the "extremists" are the ones who have hacked everything.

Criminals don't commt crimes in order to protect innocent people, regardless of how many fantasies one spins in support of that idiocy.

You might as well be asking us to debate the logistics of Santa Claus!

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 20:27 | 4289922 bunzbunzbunz
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Uhm. I'm sorry what? Your logic makes me dizzy. Let me try to understand.

Killing someone is wrong and therefore a crime, yes?

Killing someone to protect innocent people from that person is in many cases okay right (armed robber, car-jacker, home-intruder, rapist, etc.)? 

So either people who are attempting protect people (or themselves) are allowed to act criminally, or acting in ways that are typically criminal are not criminal in some situations.

So...what point were you trying to make?

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 20:16 | 4289886 lotsoffun
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e2thex - i wish you well.  happy new year!  yes, i live a large metropolitan area, but i'm not really afraid of 'extremists'.  i guess i have my own ideas about the fabled '9/11'.  and similar events.  like weapons of mass destruction.  besides - if we would only let other countries and peoples make their own decisions about things such as what price they sell us their commodities, and if we would stop bombing and droning and killing them to force them to our price, maybe (if they really were capable to do these things) maybe they would stop 'terrorizing' us.

happy new year bud!  hope that .gov job works out for you.


Tue, 12/31/2013 - 22:50 | 4290186 e2thex
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Yours is called a passive/aggressive response. After the third non-sequitur, however,  it all got lost in the noise. 

And a happy Prince Jonah Kuhio Kalanianaole Day to you when it arrives.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 20:31 | 4289931 fudge
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I don't live in US ;-) I am, however, a victim of your countries spying.. do you really want me to vote for 3 [ or more ;-) ] cities ?



Tue, 12/31/2013 - 22:58 | 4290195 e2thex
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the message is:

there are no victors, only casualties

ten cities will not bring back the people I have seen die

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 21:47 | 4290077 JimS
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Define "extremists": if you are including our own US government I'd give you an up button.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 21:50 | 4290093 JimS
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I gave it an "up", as in, fuck the MF'ers. Bring it on.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 09:41 | 4290625 lakecity55
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Strawman argument.

There is now too much reliance on ELINT, when HUMINT is needed.

100% of criminal cases can still be solved the best way: shoe leather.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 14:09 | 4291040 headhunt
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Giving a 'no' vote is the argument given by all the dictators present and past.

This arm up your ass is for your own good.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 18:50 | 4289726 jldpc
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And your cell phone tells where you are; and your car tells where you are; and your pc is watching and listening to you; and your readily available DNA (left behind from whatever you, eat, drink, or poop, or put in your mouth or blow your nose) can be used to make a face/skull replica of what you look like by just about anyone with a few bucks and a new 3Dprinter; not to mention finger, ear, foot prints, and facial recognition.

And  I swear - not even I think I am very interesting - certainly not to justify all the expense and effort to know everything about us and our thoughts and activities.

So I propose a new generation of smart devices be invented/created that create mountains of confusion instead of clarity, i.e., that randomly generate (on newer more complex less hackable algorithms) ""stink bombs"" of GPS data, DNA data, computer code used in commom email systems, operating systems, etc. that we can attach to "all" of our devices and thus each and all of use can drown the assholes in mountains of useless data. For only until we make it sooooooooooooo hard for them to obtain useful data will we stand a chance. Either that or how about smoke signals or sign language? Consider the IQ of the workers collecting our data. Consider their motives and loyalty. Try to stop vomiting. Without the "stink bombs" we are fucked for sure.   

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:00 | 4289750 A Lunatic
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Anonymity will be the currency of the future.  Those able source "the necessities" quickly, quietly, consistently, and anonymously will be in great demand.......

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:16 | 4289773 knukles
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And dat be whys the PTB's is all in favor of Bitcoin, et al...
Virtual electronic money...
No cash...
No Underground Economy...


Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:18 | 4289782 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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It is quite easy to do that for one off deals. It is the persistent part that is the tricky part. One can easily get non-attributed devices but the average joe doesn't have the resources to keep changing them like socks.  That is also assuming said devices weren't already compromised since it is safe to assume with this type of access these people have they are probably dropping compromised devices into the wild in certain locations.

These type of devices in this catalog you wouldn't really use unless you already had acquired the target for surveillance. You really think they can parse such large volumes of data each day in real time for actionable intelligence without having a starting point to work from. Does anyone really think they don't suffer from tunnel vision like most everyone does when you have sensory (data information) overload.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:53 | 4289846 NotApplicable
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Thing is, "they" don't care about the accuracy of the data, as it isn't used to fix things. Rather, any data they can use to create a narrative, works for their goal of "fixing" things the way they like.

Remember, reality is merely one's most plausible belief system.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:07 | 4289760 Michelle
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Snowden is a patsy, not a hero nor a traitor. This has been Obama's plan all along, to get Americans pissed and it's working after reading all these posts. The sheeple have been duped once again.

I should start selling T-shirts printed with this:

"I'm not a Sheeple, I read ZH!"




Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:17 | 4289778 SgtShaftoe
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It's complicated, but not as complicated as you think.  Snowden is as far as I can tell, the 100% real deal.  It would be highly counterproductive to leak this information to the public.  The information released is highly corrosive to the trust and legitimacy in the regime.  If you're at all familiar with counterinsurgency doctrine, legitimacy and keeping the moral high ground is the only way to win. 

So, any gains the regime may think they have gotten through instilling fear, is lost in the psychological and moral front.  Besides, now  the tech community understands what to look for, and that is the first step in building systems to break their grip. 

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 22:27 | 4290143 optimator
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And he's only released 5% of what he has.  And "They" don't have the slightest clue what's in the other 95%! 

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 02:06 | 4290424 putaipan
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how many times do i have to say this in 2014? 'cause i musta posted it here on zh about 30 or so in 2013:

learn your history! snowden=ellsburg . nyt=assange, bezos' washinton post, greenwald's ebay news.

it was useful. it helped end the vietnam war... and established the gatekeepers of the left for the next fifty

years! it's both, c'mon kids- thimk!

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:53 | 4289853 NotApplicable
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With the possible exception of getting a nut, Obama has NO PLANS!

Puppets have no capacity for meaningful thought.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 01:01 | 4290376 lewietheparrot
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I don't know about that

ww III has been roaring throughout the 'third world' for over two decades

and the third world is winning----we missed it

Snowden's work was the first shot fired in ww IV

and we are not going to miss this war, oh, no, we will be the arena of choice

cyber war and we started it

ain't we wonderful????

right in our faces-----and then there will be fewer of us to feed and clothe

but we have that good ol' christian charity to go along with hope

whose the dope in this picture?

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 09:39 | 4290622 lakecity55
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Never discount the possibility that Mr Snowden simply went home.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:18 | 4289777 One World Mafia
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NSA is all over Bitcoin mining crypotgraphy yet still there are legions on this site who believe one of the versions of NSA sha-256 design escaped backdooring (wonder who started that rumor), or rehashing with other NSA crackable algorithms makes it safe.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:28 | 4289801 knukles
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Hah ha ha ha ha ha

Oh look Daddy, he's got his arm up to his elbow in that man's butt. 

Oh, Jesus... Look honey, a Unicorn!

Oh Daddy, I wanna Unicorn!
All the other girls have ponies!
I wanna Uniocorn, Daddy!

That's not a Unicorn sweetie, it's a sickly pony with a funny painted stick glued on its head. 

But I wanna Unicorn, Daddy!

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 20:04 | 4289865 Papasmurf
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They don't need a backdoor.  With 4 cores per processor, 256 processors per board, umpteen boards per cabinet and large arrays of cabinets, the key can quickly be brute forced.   With every transaction stored on every bitcoin, it's an extremely vulnerable currency. 

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 20:40 | 4289950 bunzbunzbunz
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So.. a 256 bit encryption system has 1.15x10^77 possible 'keys'. With brute force, it would take an average of 5.789x10^76 guesses to crack the average encrypted packet. So even with 1 Trillion 8-core processors (this many computers would take up ~160,000 acres approximating 1 sq inch per processor, which seems reasonable given data center overhead), making 1 Billion guesses per would take 7.23x10^54 seconds to break the average encrypted packet. That is 2.29x10^47 years.

Hopefully I didn't fuck up any math, but the point is: no - in general modern encryption is not brute force vulnerable without first creating a backdoor or finding a vulnerability in the encryption algorithm itself.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 03:32 | 4290477 Bunga Bunga
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except your pasword is '123456'

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:28 | 4289799 Atomizer
Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:25 | 4289800 SgtShaftoe
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The only way to stop this is, to paraphrase Jefferson, fill the NSA and other tyrannical agencies with absolute and incredible fear of the people.  I'm sure that will develop over time as the people get closer to their breaking points.  Should be an interesting few years...

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 19:15 | 4291671 steve2241
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You mean like the fear the KGB had of the citizens of the Soviet Union? 

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 00:17 | 4292483 Race Car Driver
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“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.
- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

[bold mine]

Those who fail to learn from history ... .

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 00:28 | 4292496 Race Car Driver
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“A great disaster had befallen Russia: Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.”
- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn



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