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Japanese Population Plunges By Record In 2013

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Given that young people in Japan have lost interest in sex, with 45% of Japanese women 16-24 "not interested in or despise sexual contact," it is perhaps not entirely surprising that, as Japan Times reports, Japan's population fell by a record 244,000 in 2013. This further raises concerns over an ever-dwindling workforce that supports an ever-growing number of pensioners, with the proportion of people aged over 65 reaching nearly 40% by 2060.

 

Via Japan Times,

An estimated 1,031,000 babies were born in 2013, down about 6,000 from a year earlier, the ministry said.

 

On the other hand, around 1,275,000 people died — up about 19,000 from the previous year, the highest annual rise since World War II.

 

As a result, the natural population decline came to a record 244,000, the ministry said, beating the previous highest fall of 219,000 in 2012.

 

Japan’s population totalled 126,393,679 as of March 31, down 0.21 percent from a year earlier, according to a government figure.

 

It has continually declined since 2007 by natural attrition — deaths minus births.

 

Japan is rapidly greying, with more than 20 percent of the population aged 65 or over — one of the highest proportions of elderly people in the world. The country has very little immigration and any suggestion of opening its borders to young workers who could help plug the population gap provokes strong reactions among the public.

 

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Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:28 | 4292145 SHEEPFUKKER
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No more fucking in Japan, just fuku'ing. 

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:40 | 4292164 johnconnor
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they are fucking these nice dolls and robot-schoolgirls

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:09 | 4292229 i-dog
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"45% of Japanese women 16-24 "not interested in or despise sexual contact,"

Wow...they sure have changed since I was living there!

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:42 | 4292311 PT
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Hey, you still got a 55% chance.

If you don't know how you would support your kids, it makes sense not to have any in the first place.  Mind you, that logic usually means nothing in the real world (otherwise we would all be extinct).

Why do these articles never mention all the money saved by society having less children to support?  Less money spent on schools, education, kindergartens etc.  Shouldn't the savings balance the expenses?

They talk about decreased population as if it is a bad thing.  No mention of lower energy requirements, lower water requirements, less waste etc.  

P.S.  O.T.  Do the Japs still have 32 different recycling bins? 

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 23:31 | 4292404 MeMadMax
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Ah hell,

I'll go to japan, and given enough time, will double the population.

 

^.^

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 23:57 | 4292452 jonjon831983
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Well, it is due to disinterest, it's a different matter from bareback bangin away like an animal.  Plus of course cost of living issues = lower birth rate.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 00:21 | 4292488 mkkby
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I call bullshit.  Women POLLED say they aren't interested in sex.  But how do they BEHAVE in private?  This just sounds like a cultural bias toward appearing non slutty.

As for the population declining.  We all should wish for this.  The planet is too god damned crowded.  That is why the oceans are dying, polution is horrible, food is tainted with everything imaginable and it is noisey/crowded everywhere.  Lower population -- a good thing.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 00:28 | 4292502 chumbawamba
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This article should be titled, "Places not to go to get laid".

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 06:46 | 4292740 negative rates
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2060? Really, Lets just give up on todays embarassments and move on to 2060??

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 07:58 | 4292768 WarriorClass
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No problem, just send them our mexicans.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 16:58 | 4293199 Muppet Pimp
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Thu, 01/02/2014 - 12:18 | 4293306 RKDS
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That should appeal to those stupid enough to promote immigration as a magic elixir that solves all problems ever.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 09:26 | 4292846 mvsjcl
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Yeah, I caught that too. 2060? Sheeech! That's like three generations from now.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 00:41 | 4292518 Seize Mars
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mkkby

First, every single person on Earth can fit into Alaska with no problem.

Secondly, it's been shown over and over that humans are capable of managing their own reproductive rates to fit with their environments. For example first-world birth rates.

So there is no need for any eugenic / mass murder / Marxist population control / Dr. Evil centrally planned population control. We'll be just fine, thanks.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 01:41 | 4292574 jonjon831983
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The problem isn't numbers, it is consumption habits.  Depending on the causes of 1st world lower birth rates... looking at how much we consume compared to the rest of the world... might not be the right way at it.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 04:00 | 4292666 stacking12321
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-1 for the dishonest comment.

mkkby absolutely, positively, did NOT suggest "eugenic / mass murder / Marxist population control", you made up this bullshit 100% and tried to put words in his mouth.

try actually reading the article, idiot! it's about people having fewer kids, not about killing people off, and no one is stopping japanese from having children - it is a CHOICE they are making.

 

 

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 05:47 | 4292717 Serenity Now
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Exactly.  I could fit hundreds of people in my house, but that doesn't mean everyone would have a bed to sleep in, a pot to piss in, food to eat, means to cook said food, enough water, etc. 

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 06:26 | 4292735 Headbanger
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So at that percentage rate of population decline, there will be half as many Japanese in 330 years

(1 - 0.0021)^330 = 0.4997

And about 20% less in 100 years.

But then again nasty events like Fukishima and a war with China or two would greatly accelerate their population decline.

 

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 10:47 | 4293030 Vampyroteuthis ...
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HB, your calculations are assuming population decline will follow a linear line. It won't. When the initial portion of the Japanese population born in the 1930s hits 85 it will become exponential. That is the end of this decade. 20 % decline will be here in 10 years or less.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 15:58 | 4294053 Seize Mars
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stacking

His quote was

"...the planet is too god damned crowded.  That is why the oceans are dying, polution is horrible, food is tainted with everything imaginable and it is noisey/crowded everywhere.  Lower population -- a good thing..."

...which is a typical central-planner thing to say. My reply was, essentially, "the world is not too crowded."

Pollution, shortages of resources and other economic problems would correct themselves immediately if we lived in a world where saving drove capital formation, and where risk is met with consequence. Then, prices would have meaning, in that they would reflect scarcity. That is not the world we're living in right now, because we are all slaves to fiat paper, where new capital formation reflects your connections, not reality.

Understand?

And thanks for calling me an idiot, idiot.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:33 | 4295618 mkkby
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Okay, fuck face.  If you like crowding like that feel free to move to Mexico City, or some other 3rd work shit hole and see how much fun that is.

You are a douche bag, so don't even bother with any more dishonest comments.  Nobody is falling for it anyway.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:53 | 4297461 Seize Mars
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Take a deep breath. Breathe easy.

Relax I'm not giving you a hard time, bro. My comments are honest, they just are at odds with other comments. It's ok, bro it's called discourse.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 11:01 | 4293070 Rafferty
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Not really.  As you say  humans are capable of managing their own reproductive rates to fit with their environments.  But Obama'sons and daughters are no longer in an African environment where nature sorted out excess population. Hence the explosion in their numbers in the west.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 13:13 | 4293489 Blankenstein
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This comment is based on emotion and is lacking any factual information.  You might start by learning the exponential function.  At current population rates, in 700 years there will be enough people to occupy every square meter of the earth.  This of course won't happen though, and some undesireable, natural population control will occur.  Or we can stop being a bunch of narcissist, idiotic hairless apes and start making intelligent choices to avoid these negative outcomes, such as not breeding like bacteria. Also, there are not enough resources on the Earth to support the modern lifestyles of a huge population (oil, clean water, etc.)  

Exponential function:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 16:01 | 4294093 Seize Mars
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No, humans are not bacteria. People will regulate their own population growth. There is plenty of evidence to show this. No one is a slave to a geometric progression of reproduction. People can choose how many children they will have, and they do this all the time without a hysterical central planner looking over their shoulders.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 01:22 | 4295704 Blankenstein
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Well, then they should stop behaving like bacteria.  So you think the people who currently don't family plan are going to suddenly care about whether or not they can afford children?  Or whether or not their breeding is negatively impacting the environment through pollution, overcrowding and increased use of limited resources?  Have you looked around?  We are an Idiocracy.  The Kmart jingle bells commerical is evidence we are there.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icmRCixQrx8

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8rhIZJAdd0 

 

 

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 03:58 | 4292665 StychoKiller
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Narrator:  [while brutally beating Angel Face] I felt like putting a bullet between the eyes of every Panda that wouldn't screw to save its species. I wanted to open the dump valves on oil tankers and smother all the French beaches I'd never see. I wanted to breathe smoke.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 01:24 | 4292561 A Nanny Moose
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Perhaps they just haven't met the right guy with the right opportunity?

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 12:23 | 4293243 Martel
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I'll go to japan, and given enough time, will double the population.

Once the Yen collapses, Japan will be invaded by Western men. Jap girls like us "Charisma Men", so it will be real FUK-U-shima-BANG-BANG. I'd hate to be a young Japanese nerdy guy. No chances with women, and the future as a salaryman working 14 hour days 'til death.

 

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 09:40 | 4292865 vxpatel
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but we need constant growth! an infinte economy expanding with infinite population growth and an invisible hand to sort it all out...what could go wrong?

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:58 | 4292349 Anusocracy
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Asexuality is just another departure from the animal world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexual_Visibility_and_Education_Network

This article is about humans who lack sexual attraction or interest in sexual activity. For other uses, see Asexual.

Asexuality (or nonsexuality)[1][2][3] is the lack of sexual attraction to anyone or low or absent interest in sexual activity.[4][5][6] It may be considered the lack of a sexual orientation, or one of the four variations thereof, alongside heterosexuality, homosexuality, and bisexuality.[7][8][9] A study in 2004 placed the prevalence of asexuality at 1%.[7][10]

Asexuality is distinct from abstention from sexual activity and from celibacy,[11] which are behavioral and generally motivated by factors such as an individual's personal or religious beliefs;[12] sexual orientation, unlike sexual behavior, is believed to be "enduring".[13] Some asexual people do engage in sexual activity despite lacking a desire for sex or sexual attraction, due to a variety of reasons, such as a desire to please romantic partners or a desire to have children.[6]

Acceptance of asexuality as a sexual orientation and field of scientific research is still relatively new,[4][6][8][14] as a growing body of research from both sociological and psychological perspectives has begun to develop.[6] While some researchers assert that asexuality is a sexual orientation, other researchers disagree.[8][9]

Various asexual communities have started to form since the advent of the Internet and social media. The most prolific and well-known of these communities is the Asexual Visibility and Education Network (AVEN), which was founded in 2001 by David Jay.[9][15]

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 08:03 | 4292770 youngman
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Helen Thomas comes to mind.....

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 09:44 | 4292866 AbbeBrel
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Best thing I have seen on this topic comes from the ever-wise Savage Love:

 

 

Not Sexual, Not Asexual

It should come as no shock to someone who reads my column every week—or any other advice column—that there are lots of people out there who want to be in relationships but don't particularly want to have sex. We don't usually hear directly from these "minimally sexual" types. Instead, we hear from their maximally unhappy partners, i.e., the "normally sexual persons" who find themselves unhappily married to and/or otherwise stuck with minimally sexual persons.

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=6577949

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 16:49 | 4294244 Kobe Beef
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Read the scientific work of John Calhoun if you want to know the effects of population densities on mammals.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 00:46 | 4292520 toadold
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My search fu is weak tonight, but those polls showing Japanese losing intrest in sex where shown to be put out by newspapers trying to make sales. Their methodology was suspect in who they questioned.  The big problem is that jobs that pay enough to support  kids are scarce and women who get higher education and get well paying jobs face getting kicked out of the work force if they have a child due to traditions.   A lot of unhappy campers. Meanwhile politicians there continue to get caught when the police raid "illegal" sex shops.  One had a fetish for girls dressed as airling stewardeses, both his wife and his mistress were upset about it.  

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 04:27 | 4292676 rocymf
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Agreed. Japanese women not liking sex is just too ridiculous to be believed. I think Japanese men are just fed up with Gaijin stealing their females and put out disinfo like this to keep Japanese women for themselves.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 05:55 | 4292723 Serenity Now
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Has anybody here BEEN to Japan lately?  The young men look like girls, so it's no wonder the real girls don't have any interest in them.  I think it's the boys who don't have interest in the girls, not the other way around.  

The older men work late every night and then go to the bars and get drunk.  In the large cities there are pink WOMEN ONLY train cars so the women won't have to put up with Grabby Grabberson on his way home from the bar.  It doesn't seem like the young people have much of an example to emulate.

Just like Russia.

Just like the US.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 14:06 | 4293695 Four chan
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japanese porn is disgusting, if thats their best in the sack, they are doomed for extinction.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 14:09 | 4293730 knukles
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I don't understand how they mate.  I mean, all the genitalia are a bunch of small squares.....

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:45 | 4292168 Mr Pink
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Damn! My New Year's resolution was to bang a 16-24 yr old Japanese girl!

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:57 | 4292201 JLee2027
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Feminism

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:15 | 4292244 remain calm
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With all that radiation floating around, Japanese men are shooting blanks anyways.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 00:23 | 4292468 Lore
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If only it were that simple. The DNA is ruined, which means the pregnancies are ruined.  (See birth defects resulting from exposure to Depleted Uranium.)  As casualties mount, watch the marketing ramp up to support Birthright screening and interracial adoption.  Then there's this thing called the Food Chain...

Japan is doomed, and somehow, on some level, people are realizing it, despite the best efforts of government officials to "save face."

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 02:17 | 4292617 JuliaS
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Thanks to Fukushima disaster and any potential ones between now and 2060, the changes are that 99% of them won't live till 65.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 02:56 | 4292648 snr-moment
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So their economy should boom in the future!

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:30 | 4292148 overexposed
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And now we all get to observe what the magic of declining demographics does to a modern nation.  Japan's leading the way here, but the rest of the developed world ain't that far behind.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:36 | 4292153 thedrickster
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Unlike Japan however, the West is propping up their failing demographic mess with 3rd world hordes.

Should be interesting to see who fares worse.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:37 | 4292159 Schlomo Bergstein
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I'm guessing the West.

If you import the 3rd world, you get 3rd world problems.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:49 | 4292179 Soul Glow
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Yeah just like America at the turn of the 20th Century?  

What a stupid post you just made.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:53 | 4292194 Schlomo Bergstein
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You're right, America is in a great position socially, culturally and economically. You sure opened my eyes. /sarc

The London Riots, Paris riots, Stockholme riots, Sydney riots etc. happened because mass immigration from the third world is double plus ungood.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:11 | 4292224 Soul Glow
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I cited the turn of the 20th Century, not today.  You want to go farm for $10 a day?  Be my guest.

And those riots were done by a bunch of white brutes with baseball bats.

Courtesy Zero Hedge:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/london-rioters-attack-ritz-hotel-fail-d...

But hey, why don't you go ride Glen Beck's jock some more.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 23:34 | 4292410 Greenskeeper_Carl
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dont forget all the rapes taking place. They allow one person to bring in their entire family, plus grandparetns, etc, and then these people are eligible to all sorts of benefits from the state. Free healthcare, education, and money, all for doing nothing but stepping foot into the country. They contribute nothing to society, and are a drain on all productive people. The immmigrants the US had at the turn of the century were generlly poor europeans who came here seeking opportunity, and were willing to work hard. People heading to these countries is europe and the US do so for more free shit. Not even close to an accurate comparison

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 00:03 | 4292465 Soul Glow
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Dirka Derrr!

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 01:06 | 4292545 Race Car Driver
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Husker Du!

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:41 | 4292308 thedrickster
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Turn of the 20th century America saw an influx of poor European immigrants, Ireland, Italy, etc. 

Culturally you are talking pepsi vs coke, not coke vs castor oil.

Very stupid analogy you just made.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 23:32 | 4292406 Soul Glow
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All you did was repeat what I wrote.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 23:50 | 4292436 thedrickster
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Reading comprehension not your thing?

Analogizing an influx of 3rd world immigrants to the West today with European immigration to the US in the 20th century is absurd.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 23:59 | 4292460 Soul Glow
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When did I use the term "European"?  Then let's talk about reading comprehension.

Who built the railroads?  Poor immigrants.  Chinese, Mexicans, Europeans, Southern Americans, Japanese, Asians - they all immigrated for decades upon decades and they all came here poor tired and weak.

You sure are simple minded.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 00:15 | 4292476 thedrickster
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Here you go:

Analogizing an influx of 3rd world immigrants to the West today with immigration to the US in the early 20th century is absurd.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 00:16 | 4292481 Soul Glow
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Good.  You have improved.  Now care to give some stats as to why or are you just going to share your opinion?

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 10:11 | 4292928 Buckaroo Banzai
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Here's a stat for you: you're a bad joke who made a wrong turn at FailyKos and wound up here instead. Close your browser and move along.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 01:12 | 4292546 Race Car Driver
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> All you did was repeat what I wrote.

Lol ... stop flattering yourself. No one would do that.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 01:22 | 4292557 Soul Glow
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While Central Banks, controlled by private entities, create tens of trillions of fiat reserve notes and loan them to each other causing the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer, a bunch of you huddle like flies on shit berating a group of 11 million people who live month to month.  

CEOs of the major corporations are making tens of millions of dollars a year cheating and lying and you guys cackle about relative pennies on the dollar.  It's pathetic.

There are much bigger fish to fry.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:42 | 4292310 Clowns on Acid
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dumbkoff - America at the tune of the century did not have free medical, SNAP cards, free husing, tuition aid, health insurance, welfare and social security.

The tunr of the cnetury immigration was legal. We have Legal means for immigration, its just 11MM illegals don't care.  

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 23:47 | 4292417 Soul Glow
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So you want to have your cake and eat it too.  Gotcha.  Let's try this:  kick out the illegals and see how many people who also have snap cards etc will go farm the fields for a few dollars a day.  Oh wait, they won't because Americans are lazy.

They Took Our Job!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 01:23 | 4292552 Central Bankster
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If less people are willing to do the job, the wages will necessarily rise.  Not hard to understand is it?

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 01:24 | 4292560 Soul Glow
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America can't farm, half of America is obese.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 01:48 | 4292580 snr-moment
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Ignorant Urbanite.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 02:05 | 4292597 Soul Glow
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I spent all spring, summer, and fall farming an hour away from the nearest town which has a population of 30,000 people.  The nearest metro area is 6 hours away.  

I spent my college days fighting wildland fires.

Who is the urbanite?

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 02:30 | 4292633 snr-moment
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Sounds like you live next door.  Sometime you can explain all the silos, corn fields, sweet corn and pumpkin stands.  The guy selling 40lb bags of potatoes off the back of his truck, and the large round bales everywhere.  And that wonderful smell all summer long.  Don't forget the asian beetles and box elder bugs come fall harvest.

Nope. No farming here.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 03:25 | 4292659 Soul Glow
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I never tried to assume I knew who you are.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 05:54 | 4292721 Canoe Driver
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Perhaps if they were made to farm, they would no longer be obese, imbecile.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 02:22 | 4292622 noless
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Trust me Buddy, if you have a job I'm coming for it.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:48 | 4292323 snr-moment
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Wow.  Talk about stupid posts.  Immigrants at the turn of the century wanted to assimilate.  Now the democrats prevent them from doing so to keep a voter base.  You should be careful about throwing stones, moron

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 23:38 | 4292419 Soul Glow
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HA!  Which is how we got Chinatowns, Little Italys, etc all over the country.  Beck's got an itch, why don't you scratch it for him.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 23:48 | 4292439 thedrickster
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Beck, really?

Run along two-week troll.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 00:16 | 4292475 Soul Glow
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It feels good to be back.

FIGHT CLUB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agi8PUmlAKU

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 00:15 | 4292480 snr-moment
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It's a good thing your soul glows, otherwise there's not much luminescence there.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 00:22 | 4292489 Soul Glow
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Why don't we all just insult each other instead of giving valid reasons to back our opinions?  This way we can just berate our egos instead of making societal headway.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 01:46 | 4292576 snr-moment
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Want societal headway?  Slow the influx of immigrants to give them time to assimilate. Make english the national language so everyone can do business.  Severely punish discrimination. Do away with affirmative action.  Treat everyone the same.

Nancy is screaming hysterically.  So is Al.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 01:57 | 4292595 Soul Glow
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Last I checked our national language was english.  I agree with the rest.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 10:32 | 4292994 thedrickster
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Have you ever gone to the DMV?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 01:05 | 4292542 thedrickster
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Cliff???

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 01:54 | 4292566 Soul Glow
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Well I am very disappointed with everyones responses.

I personally feel that the illegal immigration problem is a serious issue and that we do need to make sure that illegal aliens are sent through tests similar to Ellis Island.

When someone is found here without any authentication they should be reviewed for deportation.

Now, if an illegal alien needs care, we should give it to them, it is part of the human contract - although poor people are neglected by hospitals anyway - but then the review process should begin.

They are taking advantage of our system and I don't like it much either.

At the same time, you guys need to realize the drag on the system is far less than what the IMF, World Bank, and Fed are doing and this issue should be discussed with far less emotion and should elicit much more rational responses.

Anyway, now that you see I agree, I hope you can also see that you guys gave really no good responses to anything other than a bunch of fucking name calling.  Thanks for fighting.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 02:01 | 4292599 Race Car Driver
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> I personally feel ...

Well, there's your problem. You're a woman. Women 'feel'.

Men think.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 02:07 | 4292610 Soul Glow
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I bet you're great with the ladies.

/sarc

Your comment has to be one of the worst on ZH I have ever seen.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 10:34 | 4292990 thedrickster
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Human contract?

OMFG, I get it now, you are the social justice Million Dollar Bonus. Oh this is going to be fun.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 17:04 | 4294276 Kobe Beef
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Wow. Can't wait for more third-hand humanist mulitkult schlock.

I'm gonna go all in and say America owes a huge debt to plow-mules. Who raised all the food? Plow-mules, that's who. "Theeese are hoooves who fed Amerrrrica..." So give 'em an AA admission to Harvard, all the EBT a mule can eat, and sensitivity training to any xenophobic specist who objects. Now that's social justice.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 23:53 | 4292445 snr-moment
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Wow. Another stupid post.  Considering I'm 1st generation, you should try vaseline to pull your head out of your ass.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 00:24 | 4292497 Soul Glow
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What does you being 1st gen have anything to do with me?  

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 01:58 | 4292592 A Nanny Moose
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Are you referring to that country where the airplane was invented by two brothers working as bike mechanics? That country which, having already discovered electricity, became home to the world's first electrically lighted city?

That country that bought us the; phonograph, radio, zippers, commercially viable light bulbs, gas powered tractors, rechargeable batteries, and the assembly lines that produced automobiles and other goods more cheaply for the masses? Shall I keep going?

That turn of the 20th century third world country?

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 11:12 | 4293099 Rafferty
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But that's just the point. America did NOT import people from the Turd World at that time, 95% were from Europe (including Russia).  You're the stupid one in not seeing what's blindingly obvious.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 05:47 | 4292718 Canoe Driver
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Unfortunately, the logical result of unfettered immigration is apartheid followed by civil war, in which the existing power structure is vastly outnumbered. The end is regime change. Large-scale immigration is therefore permitted only by hubristic and short-sighted governments who think they are merely suppressing wages.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 17:07 | 4294289 Kobe Beef
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Or by NWO-type assholes and their useful idiots who are actively trying to destroy the West.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:45 | 4292167 NoDebt
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I think that's the most instructive way to look at this.  Japan is like a nearly self-contained experiment in demographics and debt.  I'm not saying the rest of the developed world (including the US) is a clone of Japan but there are certain similarities that must be paid attention to.  Aspects of it are clearly headed this way.

I have often said "DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE IMPORTANCE OF DEMOGRAPHICS" here on ZH.  Glad to see someone else is paying attention to it as well.

Right now, we're growing population in the US almost exclusively on immigration (legal or otherwise).  It will be of critical importance to see if that continues in the future.  It is NOT a given.  Those who come do so primarily for economic opportunity reasons.  If those reasons become less compelling here, immigration could flag and fall off.  Then we WOULD be Japan.  I think Europe goes first in that respect, though.

Empires crumble at their edges before they crumble at the core.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:49 | 4292174 fonzannoon
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"Those who come do so primarily for economic opportunity reasons.  If those reasons become less compelling here, immigration could flag and fall off."

 

http://rackjite.com/daily-show-jason-jones-goes-recruiting-in-mexico/

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:51 | 4292328 NoDebt
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Yeah.  The Jeff Goldblum/'Independence Day'/Detroit solution:  turn it all into such a shithole we don't have to worry about anyone wanting to come here.  Alien or otherwise.

 

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:06 | 4292221 rbg81
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I think there is something to be said for a stable population.  One is that is constantly growing fits well with the current economic paradigm, but at some point enough is enough.  We would do ourselves a favor by adapting to an economic model that encourages stability vs. demanding population growth.  

That being said, it is just not normal for so many young women of breeding age to shun sex.  There is something else at work there that is very dangerous.  Knowing the Japanese, me thinks it has to do with excessive use of gadgets and porn.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 00:28 | 4292501 mkkby
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I don't think young japs are shunning sex.  I think they are fucking like rabbits but telling pollsters a different story to avoid embarrassment... ie saving face.

Show me how those poll numbers have changed over years/decades.  Probably very little.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 06:13 | 4292736 Canoe Driver
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The feeling in Japan is economic desperation with young males in the direst of straits. This is in fact quite chilling to traditional gender relations. The phenomenon is real, and coming to a theatre near you. The Japanese are merely early.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 06:08 | 4292732 Canoe Driver
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Rejection of traditional heterosexual interaction is the zeitgeist worldwide. The mechanism seems to be widespread prosperity followed by economic collapse, as this order of events is the most disruptive to human relations. Clearly, war, followed by struggle and emergence, have the opposite effect. Hence, the cyclical nature of history. The Japanese are merely leading the way, as their initial economic crunch began roughly 10 years earlier.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 09:37 | 4292855 rbg81
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I don't think it's maybe 10% economic and 90% technological.  We embrace technological advances with zero understanding of the impact on Society.  Why?  Because in the past it has always turned out positive.  But what happens when that isn't the case?

I content apsects of the Internet (unlimited porn) and the ability to create our own electronic bubbles using smart phones & telecommunications may be very bad things indeed.  Its easy to get off on porn--dealing with real people is much harder work, physically and emotionally.  Likewise, we get emotional rewards from social networks (or even sites like ZH) without actual achievement--thus, people increasingly confuse the approval of friends with actual productivity.  More generally, prosperity and advanced technology serve to insulate us from our own stupidity and contribute to the death of morality and common sense.  If the Entitlement State has your back, where is the motivation to live a good & productive life?  If automation and robots enable all goods/services to be produced by a select few, what becomes of the vast majoirty?  

I think modern Society is fucking with basic human motivationa and instincts--this may take us to a very, very dark place.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:47 | 4292315 Lost My Shorts
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Economic opportunity not really.  Hispanics come to escape narco-failed states, even if there is not much opportunity.  Asians come to escape pollution and poisoned food.

The only way to stop immigration would be to make America as disgusting as the places people flee.  Koch brothers + NSA are working on it; be patient.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:32 | 4292151 Handful of Dust
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"Welt am Draht"  by Fassbinder (1973) is what they need to watch for inspriation. The Japanese are very creative so if anyone can, they can create these Simulacons or whatever they're called.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:58 | 4292204 666
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They created an unlimited supply of sieverts, which will take care of the young and old population problem.

I wonder if not wanting babies has anything to do with the probability of atomic mutation?

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:39 | 4292157 Blue Dog
Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:41 | 4292165 dick cheneys ghost
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one way or the other.........

''Unexplained plumes of radioactive steam have been rising from Fukushima's Reactor Building 3. TEPCO has confirmed the reports, adding that they were not clear on the details of the sudden change at the reactor because of "lethal radiation levels in that building." Meanwhile some experts think that "the situation could escalate rapidly out of control."
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_01_01/Steam-over-Fukushima-as-sign-of-catastrophe-89-tons-of-deadly-radioactive-fuel-could-reach-US-in-2-days-2074/
Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:39 | 4292162 QE49er
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We have become more interested in ignoring, scamming, taking advantage, and or killing each other than procreation.  Such an advanced civilized species we have become.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:42 | 4292163 buzzsaw99
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how 1 million people could be dumb enough to have a baby in that nuclear wasteland is the real question.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:17 | 4292248 Dr. Engali
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Well they did it 45 and the Japanese population grew and prospered.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:23 | 4292259 buzzsaw99
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hiroshima & nagasaki were like 50 pounds of uranium that went up in a poof and blew out to sea. Hundreds of TONS of radioactive waste has been released recently. They. Are. Fucked.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:43 | 4292169 Dr. Engali
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I do not understand this "not interested in sex" thing. They aren't doing it right or something. At 50 I enjoy sex as much, even more than I did at 15. Maybe all the electronics have scrambled their wiring or something.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:45 | 4292171 thedrickster
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Two words: anime, tentacles.

Or maybe it's just all the soy.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:12 | 4292230 Uncle Remus
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Soy has my vote. Insidious I say.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:46 | 4292320 Xanadu_doo
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Not the soy. I work w/ soy and its a magic bean, really.

I was also lucky enough to date a Japanese girl. At the time, I did not realize my good fortune...amazing -- beautiful, sweet, caring, and wanting to please.

But their culture is FUCKED UP. The porn -- vending machines, on the subway -- don't they even have vending machines w/ girls panties? it's all fucked up...repressed and shit. Hang ups that get in the way of pure, natural, normal love that's not effed up...

 

Plus I wouldn't wanna bring babies into that nuclular cesspool...

 

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 00:32 | 4292506 mkkby
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C'mon ZHers, wake the fuck up. 

Why is everyone so quick to believe this bullshit statistic?  More likely young japs are fucking like rabbits but telling pollsters a different story to save face/embarrassment.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 09:54 | 4292892 Uncle Remus
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Yes, the MFing soy.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:58 | 4292207 JLee2027
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Feminism, hatred of men and everything that men want.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:08 | 4292228 Uncle Remus
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."and everything that men want"

"bead jobs! knotted nylons! bamboo canes!" (Flo & Eddie, FZ, Live, Fillmore East)

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:10 | 4292235 Michelle
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Maybe the electronics, batteries included, are why they aren't having sex with each other.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:10 | 4292236 IridiumRebel
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I'd be lying if I didn't like it as much at 40 as I did at 15 too. Now I got a few more tricks up my sleeve too. They're definitely doing something wrong. Sex is fun. My wife is pregnant as Hell and we still bone when we can. Good for your loins too. I'd be seriously worried if I didn't like sex. Maybe the radiation is messin with them. They might as well fuck while they can. Escaping Japan may become more of an interest when Fuku goes FUBAR.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 06:59 | 4292749 negative rates
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Around here we give birth in test tubes cause we can't trust him not to pound the fuck out of the infants so badly we had to invent the word "ugly" just to describe what he does at night while no one is watching. Oh yea, since we were not there, we could not have known what has happened, got that memo too!

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 06:58 | 4292748 negative rates
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See that's the difference between a soft and a hard economy, hard as a rock or thick as a brick, is a term used to describe one's innerself, one's inner comfortable self. Which, if too hard, (the evidence is plainly seen with the lines on your neck) presents it'self as normal on Sundays, but miserable and edgey on the other days. The double check comes with a few drinks, company, and talks and does not end well after the age of 30, especially every year after that, that you don't wake up.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:48 | 4292178 edge
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I lived there 25 years, had plenty of sex with Jland women - sometimes more than one at a time, especially during grad school - don't believe everything the Jlanders tell you about themselves or their country mates - they treat an answer to a stupid question the same way they treat non-Jland asians, without a thought. Plenty of sex happening, but not alot of love is all.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:50 | 4292180 tony wilson
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when fucku happened the bbc sent a scientist gave chatham house types free reign.

rothschilds run chatham house said this was asia nuke minor nothing to worry about move along.

nuclear power is vital and safe even talked of banana having higher bq count.

so i say do not fret if the rothschild family and the bbc say evey thing is asia minor  A ok i say.

have some belief.

nothing hurts the jews more than the word holocaust.

they would never do anything to hurt the people of japan.

 

especially innocent people

i think we should have complete faith in mossad and magna bsp

Haim Sibony (CEO), Joseph Ran (Chairman of the Board), detonation systems head Levy Zruya

are brave men doing dangerous protection racket work.

these guys are at the fore front of collecting cash monies from many governments.

the fact that japanese types donte wanna twerk has nothing to do with is rahell.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:53 | 4292191 Soul Glow
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you're typing makes no sense.

you sound like a child.

good deduction inserting jews with falling japanese birth/death ratios.

you so smart.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:11 | 4292239 Uncle Remus
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Let's try tapping the elbow now.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:21 | 4292250 Soul Glow
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No response.  Must be a bot.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 23:27 | 4292393 Nimby
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*your typing.  Jesus.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 23:45 | 4292427 Soul Glow
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Oh jesus thanks what would I have done without out you.  Will you edit all my writing?  I'll be sending you some other things I have written soon.  Thanks so much!

- SG

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:02 | 4292214 Goldilocks
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"Holocaust horror stories survivor"

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 12:17 | 4293288 Rafferty
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Yeah, latest  count 12 million Holocau$t survivors, and all still shaking down the Germans.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:53 | 4292185 Soul Glow
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It's hard to party when you are suffering from radiation poisoning.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:13 | 4292233 ThisIsBob
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Keeps on ticking.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 21:56 | 4292193 optimator
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The U.S.A. could certainly help out, if Japan will drop their barriers to immigration.  An airlift from U.S. air bases near the Mexican border would be a start.  As Jack Welch would say, a "Win-Win situation".

 

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:43 | 4292305 SmittyinLA
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Yes, a gang if broke illiterate diabetic Mexican Socialist tax parasites cures all ills, ya they're gonna carry Japans elderly.

 

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:03 | 4292210 williambanzai7
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Here is the little known secret. Japanese women on holiday travel are indeed very randy. This is not to say that sex with traveling Japanese women is effortless. But they are wild once you unlock the the door.

Based upon this factoid, one can conclude they are not very interested in sex with Japanese men. One could write a book about why.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:04 | 4292223 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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A tape measure would take less time than a book.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:09 | 4292226 stock trout
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"One could write a book about why."

It would be a short story.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:11 | 4292241 rbg81
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I have noticed that with Asian women in general.  They have a thing for Western men--not so much for other Asians.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:22 | 4292253 Grande Tetons
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They like ridding the big dragon. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRT5EmcCDQ

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 01:32 | 4292568 williambanzai7
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Well, the truth is you will only meet the ones who want to. And there is a strong cultural stigma once it gets out.  For this reason, the vast majority will stick with their own, leave it at a holiday fling or move offshore. 

Visiting men are constantly asking why they can't hook up with local Hong Kong women and the answer is, do you really want to carry the baggage? 

Of course, asian maids and bargirls are typically happy to marry a foreignor.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:52 | 4292333 Xanadu_doo
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litte known only if you haven't met a Jap girl!

CHeers and happy 2014, ZHers!

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 23:46 | 4292431 Kina
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Indeed, when I was a young lad, visitiing Phuket in Thailand, ended up with a Japanese tourist lady. They knew where to go to find the randy westerner it seems.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 02:22 | 4292621 Hulk
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Pictures Banzai, pictures !!!

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:09 | 4292231 pitz
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SUKI (tm), The New World Religion (tm) a major international religion with over three million members (primarily in Japan), is so concerned about this phenomena that it has gone so far as to adopt "motherfucking religion" as its slogan.  The intent being that Japanese men take the slogan literally.

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:11 | 4292238 Seasmoke
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Kids are expensive.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 17:22 | 4294349 Kobe Beef
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Especially in the Land of the $400 Elementary School Backpack.

https://svpply.com/item/437275/RandoseruBackpack_for_Japanese

 

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 22:28 | 4292263 mess nonster
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Definitely deflatinary! But it's hapenning all over the world... Japan as always... on the cutting edge.

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/01/world_population_may_actually_start_declining_not_exploding.2.html

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