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Guest Post: 2014 Will Bring More Social Collapse

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Submitted by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts via Alt-Market blog,

2014 is upon us. For a person who graduated from Georgia Tech in 1961, a year in which the class ring showed the same date right side up or upside down, the 21st century was a science fiction concept associated with Stanley Kubrick's 1968 film, "2001: A Space Odyssey." To us George Orwell's 1984 seemed so far in the future we would never get there. Now it is 30 years in the past.

Did we get there in Orwell's sense? In terms of surveillance technology, we are far beyond Orwell's imagination. In terms of the unaccountability of government, we exceptional and indispensable people now live a 1984 existence. In his alternative to the Queen's Christmas speech, Edward Snowden made the point that a person born in the 21st century will never experience privacy. For new generations the word privacy will refer to something mythical, like a unicorn.

Many Americans might never notice or care. I remember when telephone calls were considered to be private. In the 1940s and 1950s the telephone company could not always provide private lines. There were "party lines" in which two or more customers shared the same telephone line. It was considered extremely rude and inappropriate to listen in on someone's calls and to monopolize the line with long duration conversations.

The privacy of telephone conversations was also epitomized by telephone booths, which stood on street corners, in a variety of public places, and in "filling stations" where an attendant would pump gasoline into your car's fuel tank, check the water in the radiator, the oil in the engine, the air in the tires, and clean the windshield. A dollar's worth would purchase 3 gallons, and $5 would fill the tank.

Even in the 1980s and for part of the 1990s there were lines of telephones on airport waiting room walls, each separated from the other by sound absorbing panels. Whether the panels absorbed the sounds of the conversation or not, they conveyed the idea that calls were private.

The notion that telephone calls are private left Americans' consciousness prior to the NSA listening in. If memory serves, it was sometime in the 1990s when I entered the men's room of an airport and observed a row of men speaking on their cell phones in the midst of the tinkling sound of urine hitting water and noises of flushing toilets. The thought hit hard that privacy had lost its value.

I remember when I arrived at Merton College, Oxford, for the first term of 1964. I was advised never to telephone anyone whom I had not met, as it would be an affront to invade the privacy of a person to whom I was unknown. The telephone was reserved for friends and acquaintances, a civility that contrasts with American telemarketing.

The efficiency of the Royal Mail service protected the privacy of the telephone. What one did in those days in England was to write a letter requesting a meeting or an appointment. It was possible to send a letter via the Royal Mail to London in the morning and to receive a reply in the afternoon. Previously it had been possible to send a letter in the morning and to receive a morning reply, and to send another in the afternoon and receive an afternoon reply.

When one flies today, unless one stops up one's ears with something, one hears one's seat mate's conversations prior to takeoff and immediately upon landing. Literally, everyone is talking nonstop. One wonders how the economy functioned at such a high level of incomes and success prior to cell phones. I can remember being able to travel both domestically and internationally on important business without having to telephone anyone. What has happened to America that no one can any longer go anywhere without constant talking?

If you sit at an airport gate awaiting a flight, you might think you are listening to a porn film. The overhead visuals are usually Fox "News" going on about the need for a new war, but the cell phone audio might be young women describing their latest sexual affair.

Americans, or many of them, are such exhibitionists that they do not mind being spied upon or recorded. It gives them importance. According to Wikipedia, Paris Hilton, a multimillionaire heiress, posted her sexual escapades online, and Facebook had to block users from posting nude photos of themselves. Sometime between my time and now people ceased to read 1984. They have no conception that a loss of privacy is a loss of self. They don't understand that a loss of privacy means that they can be intimidated, blackmailed, framed, and viewed in the buff. Little wonder they submitted to porno-scanners.

The loss of privacy is a serious matter. The privacy of the family used to be paramount. Today it is routinely invaded by neighbors, police, Child Protective Services (sic), school administrators, and just about anyone else.

Consider this: A mother of six and nine year old kids sat in a lawn chair next to her house watching her kids ride scooters in the driveway and cul-de-sac on which they live.

Normally, this would be an idyllic picture. But not in America. A neighbor, who apparently did not see the watching mother, called the police to report that two young children were outside playing without adult supervision. Note that the next door neighbor, a woman, did not bother to go next door to speak with the mother of the children and express her concern that they children were not being monitored while they played. The neighbor called the police.

"We're here for you," the cops told the mother, who was carried off in handcuffs and spent the next 18 hours in a cell in prison clothes.

The news report doesn't say what happened to the children, whether the father appeared and insisted on custody of his offspring or whether the cops turned the kids over to Child Protective Services.

This shows you what Americans are really like. Neither the neighbor nor the police had a lick of sense. The only idea that they had was to punish someone. This is why America has the highest incarceration rate and the highest total number of prison inmates in the entire world. Washington can go on and on about "authoritarian" regimes in Russia and China, but both countries have far lower prison populations than "freedom and democracy" America.

I was unaware that laws now exist requiring the supervision of children at play. Children vary in their need for supervision. In my day supervision was up to the mother's judgment. Older children were often tasked with supervising the younger. It was one way that children were taught responsibility and developed their own judgment.

When I was five years old, I walked to the neighborhood school by myself. Today my mother would be arrested for child endangerment.

In America punishment falls more heavily on the innocent, the young, and the poor than it does on the banksters who are living on the Federal Reserve's subsidy known as Quantitative Easing and who have escaped criminal liability for the fraudulent financial instruments that they sold to the world. Single mothers, depressed by the lack of commitment of the fathers of their children, are locked away for using drugs to block out their depression. Their children are seized by a Gestapo institution, Child Protective Services, and end up in foster care where many are abused.

According to numerous press reports, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10 year-old children who play cowboys and indians or cops and robbers during recess and raise a pointed finger while saying "bang-bang" are arrested and carried off to jail in handcuffs as threats to their classmates. In my day every male child and the females who were "Tom boys" would have been taken to jail. Playground fights were normal, but no police were ever called. Handcuffing a child would not have been tolerated.

From the earliest age, boys were taught never to hit a girl. In those days there were no reports of police beating up teenage girls and women or body slamming the elderly. To comprehend the degeneration of the American police into psychopaths and sociopaths, go online and observe the video of Lee Oswald in police custody in 1963.

Oswald was believed to have assassinated President John F. Kennedy and murdered a Dallas police officer only a few hours previously to the film. Yet he had not been beaten, his nose wasn't broken, and his lips were not a bloody mess. Now go online and pick from the vast number of police brutality videos from our present time and observe the swollen and bleeding faces of teenage girls accused of sassing overbearing police officers.

In America today people with power are no longer accountable. This means citizens have become subjects, an indication of social collapse.


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Thu, 01/02/2014 - 23:59 | 4295537 A Lunatic
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'The price of freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle anywhere, anytime, and with utter recklessness'

-Robert Heinlein-

In other words, holding people accountable.......

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:07 | 4295559 yogibear
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It's not going to happen with this current generation groomed ignorant/indifferent of the US constitution.

Like in Germany in the 1920's a people ready for a despot/dictator or tyrant to lead them.

Anyone in the US interested in leading the American people to tyranny?


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:21 | 4295587 Skateboarder
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My friend told me about how his homeschooling group went to a public school setting and he was told that it was illegal to take pictures of kids without the parents' permission. I'm talking about any pictures, period.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:23 | 4295597 satoshi101
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Funny now all have these 'cameras' in our smart-phones, but you can't photograph cops, or teachers ( schools ),... very funny,... but you can photo your genitals and upload them.

Welcome to America.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:36 | 4295627 Anusocracy
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Very good read.

From the article:

The Adolescent Squeeze

Before 1850, laws restricting the behavior of teens were few and far between. Compulsory education laws evolved in tandem with laws restricting labor by young people. Beginning in 1960, the number of laws infantilizing adolescents accelerated dramatically. You may have had a paper route when you were 12, but your children can't.

1641 Massachusetts law prohibits people under 16 from "smiting" their parents

1836 Massachusetts passes first law requiring minimal schooling for people under 15 working in factories
1848 Pennsylvania sets 12 as minimum work age for some jobs
1852 Massachusetts passes first universal compulsory education law in U.S., requires three months of schooling for all young people ages 8-14
1880s Some states pass laws restricting various behaviors by young people: smoking, singing on the streets, prostitution, "incorrigible" behavior
1881 American Federation of Labor calls on states to ban people under 14 from working
1898 World's first juvenile court established in Illinois—constitutional rights of minors effectively taken away

1903 Illinois requires school attendance and restricts youth labor
1918 All states have compulsory education laws in place
1933 First federal law restricting drinking by young people
1936 & 1938 First successful federal laws restricting labor by young people, establishing 16 and 18 as minimum ages for work; still in effect
1940 Most states have laws in place restricting driving by people under 16
1968 Supreme Court upholds states' right to prohibit sale of obscene materials to minors
1968 Movie rating system established to restrict young people from certain films
1970s Supreme Court upholds laws restricting young women's right to abortion
1970s Dramatic increase in involuntary electroshock therapy (ECT) of teens
1980s Many cities and states pass laws restricting teens' access to arcades and other places of amusement; Supreme Court upholds such laws in 1989
1980s Courts uphold states' right to prohibit sale of lottery tickets to minors
1980 to 1998 Rate of involuntary commitment of minors to mental institutions increases 300-400 percent
1984 First national law effectively raising drinking age to 21
1988 Supreme Court denies freedom of press to school newspapers
1989 Missouri court upholds schools' right to prohibit dancing
1989 Court rules school in Florida can ban salacious works by Chaucer and Aristophanes
1990s Curfew laws for young people sweep cities and states
1990s Dramatic increase in use of security systems in schools
1992 Federal law prohibits sale of tobacco products to minors
1997 New federal law makes easier involuntary commitment of teens

2000+ New laws restricting minors' rights to get tattoos, piercings, and to enter tanning salons spread through U.S.
2000+ Tougher driving laws sweeping through states: full driving rights obtained gradually over a period of years
2000+ Dramatic increase in zero-tolerance laws in schools, resulting in suspensions or dismissals for throwing spitballs, making gun gestures with hand, etc.
2000+ New procedures and laws making it easier to prosecute minors as adults

Currently spreading nationwide:
New rules prohibiting cell phones in schools or use of cell phones by minors while driving
Libraries and schools block access to Internet material by minors
New dress code rules in schools
New rules restricting wearing of potentially offensive clothing or accessories in schools
New laws prohibiting teens from attending parties where alcohol is served (even if they're not drinking)
New laws restricting teens' access to shopping malls
Tracking devices routinely installed in cell phones and cars of teens
New availability of home drug tests for teens
New laws prohibiting minors from driving with any alcohol in bloodstream (zero-tolerance)
Proposals for longer school days, longer school year, and addition of grades 13 and 14 to school curriculum under discussion

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:46 | 4295642 satoshi101
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Well there is the notion 'protect them to death'.

Yep, sure as hell glad when I was a kid, I was armed to the teeth with bb-guns post 5+, and always had m-80's and cherry bombs in my pocket, and zip-guns on the ready.

No more beautiful sight that putting  cherry bomb down a public-toilet and watching the toilet bowl fly through the roof.

Go watch "xmas story' for those that want to know what it was like being a 'BOY' back in the day,


Well it ain't just the kids that have 'LAW', there are lots of law's on us too, like drug laws, gun control

Fuck DUI/DWI I hate the most, in the real world, if you kill somebody driving drunk or not, you die on the spot, in the USA you just hire a lawyer to get off.

Don't worry folks, the real world is still free, only the fucking USA has turned its children into fearful little fucking stuffed toys on ritalin that sit in front of a video, ahh not unlike their parents.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 01:21 | 4295699 SafelyGraze
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"For a person who graduated from Georgia Tech in 1961, a year in which the class ring showed the same date right side up or upside down, the 21st century was a science fiction concept"

wreck on!

for a person who graduated in 1881, a year in which the class ring showed the same date right side up or upside down, the 20th century was a science fiction concept also! 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 02:48 | 4295811 satoshi101
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A lot of these authors do this, ... stupid shit,...

Robert's is good, cuz he tells the truth, ... something you don't see posted often on ZH, I'm quite surprised they posted his story today. But they did and that is good.

911 upside down is 116, and the 116 day of 2014 will be the end of the world, right? Science Fiction? Truth is always stranger than science fiction, ... but so fucking what?

The point of this OP-POST is that the cops are now beating little 10 year old girls, and knocking granny's teeth out,... and the fact that the MSM doesn't tell the masses to protest is telling, ... but then TSA was finger banging infants during BUSH,.... I would argue its been game-over for years, ... wonder why Roberts only see's the TRUTH now?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 05:14 | 4295899 Disenchanted
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re: "wonder why Roberts only see's the TRUTH now?"

Go back and look for some of his archived columns from the 2000s...He saw it long ago.


Here's an example from September 2005:

America Has Fallen to a Jacobin Coup
Fri, 01/03/2014 - 05:44 | 4295910 Disenchanted
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Paul Craig Roberts, October 23, 2007:

Bush's “Permission To Fly” Proposals:  Preaching Liberty, Promoting Tyranny




Any agency of the government that can propose such a tyrannical regulation should be abolished.  The TSA’s mentality shows it to be a far greater threat to Americans than are terrorists. 


Even without the “permission to fly” rule, the TSA’s practices are ridiculous and unjustified.  The confiscation of tooth paste and unopened bottles of perfume, the harassment of US military officers in uniform, the harassment of old people struggling with their walkers, of mothers struggling with small children–none of this makes any sense except in terms of getting Americans accustomed to harassment as a citizen’s duty to government and to train a cadre to conduct warrantless searches of fellow citizens.


The no-fly list itself is absurd. If a known terrorist were to show up at an airport, he would be arrested, not refused permission to fly.  Anyone else who can clear security like other passengers has every right to fly. 


Set aside the violation of the Constitution and the Soviet-style tyranny of the loss of the freedom to travel and consider merely the practical aspect of the proposal.  What American wants his travel plans dependent on a government bureaucracy capable of putting US Senator Ted Kennedy on the “no fly” list and capable of issuing US visas to two of the alleged 9/11 hijackers six months after they allegedly died in the 9/11 events?


If we believe the official story, 9/11 itself reveals a government totally devoid of any competence whatsoever. 


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 05:57 | 4295914 Supernova Born
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You had me at the 1961 observation.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 07:49 | 4295985 negative rates
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I think i'm about to have a senior moment.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 07:52 | 4295989 negative rates
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It's fun to want to hear the truth, until you get trusted by the law.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 02:57 | 4295817 SunRise
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Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:46 | 4295648 Musashi Miyamoto
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I went to the halls for truancy. They stuck me in one of these special needs schools for high risk youth. Barbed Fences and Plexiglas windows. the whole shebang.

I remember vividly. I must have been 16. I was sitting at the back of the class. They gave us these short golf pencils so we would not shank anyone. We did these packets.

14 X 12 =

. I sat at the back of the class reading a book on Wave Propagation in 3 Dimensions. Nobody knew what the fuck i was reading. teachers left me alone for the most part. It was a bit over my head but i managed to figure out differentials.

Fuck the system.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 01:07 | 4295680 satoshi101
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Funny I did the same thing,... bored as shit, went to the library and read everybook I could find on how to make LSD and explosives, by the time I was 12-14, ... I didn't even know it but I knew as much as most guys with BS degrees about math, physics, and chemistry,

When I was 14 I could pick any lock and get any chemical I needed, I didn't get into my first CHEM class at high school until 16, but I started local college at 14, go figure,...

Yep, they didn't have clue what I was doing, never got caught, but a few friends nearly OD'd on some of my early LSD.


Now the books contain no info, and the a kid that spends his time in the library would probably be called a 'terrorist'.

No regrets, ... I never spent school time smoking, or playing sports, spent all my school ours reading, and saved gang fighting and screwing the girls for after school hours. I didn't even realize I had the equivalent of 5th year math/physics/chem until I took the MIL tests at 17 years old to get the fuck out of dodge, and MIL said I had the highest scores they had ever seen, and sent me to MIL-COLLEGE, and taught be how make and play with BIGGER bombs and drugs.


Yep, same here about 10th grade high school they brought in the barb-wrire fences,... but they're were always ways to get in/out, besides I would ride a motorcycle, any fucking place I wanted and nobody could catch me, ... yep those were the best days.


In summary, ... give a child freedom, ... to explore, to search, a famous sailor once said "If a man isn't allowed ROAM he will be come a MORON", certainly our GUBMINT wants a nation of morons.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 01:16 | 4295695 Musashi Miyamoto
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Tip of the hat,

I thought about enlisting, still read Field Manuals on days off. I couldn't deal with more authority. When I turned 18. I walked out and dropped off the map. Never registered with selective service, never filled out a tax return. I bow to no man. I like to think myself a Ronin.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 08:59 | 4296098 IridiumRebel
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Musashi Miyamoto and Satoshi101 aka satoshi401 aka carlin401 are the same person. Both have been here for one week and one day almost to the hour. Miyamoto is the "sympathetic agreement" to the utter shite that satoshi101 spews that has rendered receiving the boot in numerous other forms. You can change your names or try to create other user names, but the bullshit is just the same. 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 09:12 | 4296128 satoshi101
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So what IridiumRebel is fonestar bitcoin whore, but do I care? fuck no, I don't care,

This is fight club, and men with vaginas walk, and the rest of us talk.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:34 | 4296340 IridiumRebel
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There the psycho we know so well! Fuckin pathetic that you are such a loser you have to create alter-egos to agree with you.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 09:31 | 4296167 Musashi Miyamoto
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Fuck you bitch. There's always the one fucker with the small dick who wants some attention. Cry back to mommy and piss off.

Listen up maggot, You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everyone else, and we are all a part of the same compost pile

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:32 | 4296333 IridiumRebel
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Did I piss in your corn flakes? You're not fooling anyone.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:32 | 4296339 bigrooster
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@ IridiumRebel

Judging from their responses you nailed it.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:36 | 4296347 IridiumRebel
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You're Goddamned right I did!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 11:35 | 4296547 WillyGroper
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where do these people come from?


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 01:45 | 4295725 in4mayshun
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Kinda ironic that when I was 7, I had already figured out that only morons would go point a gun at a stranger and shoot them simply because their GUBMINT told them to.

War is a racket. People who willfully participate are brainless puppets.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 09:40 | 4296181 CH1
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War is a racket.


People who willfully participate are brainless puppets.

No, not really. Most of the enlisted kids have been deceived by life-long propaganda. They too are victims.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 07:57 | 4295993 negative rates
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May trouble come to a town near you and steal your shorts in public.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:51 | 4295654 Anusocracy
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How not to raise drones for the government.

Taking Children Seriously (TCS) is a parenting movement and educational philosophy whose central idea is that it is possible and desirable to raise and educate children without either doing anything to them against their will, or making them do anything against their will.

It was founded in 1994 as an email mailing-list by the libertarians Sarah Fitz-Claridge and David Deutsch. Deutsch is also a theoretical physicist at Oxford University.[1]

TCS begins with the observation that most traditional interactions between adults and youth are based on coercion. The TCS model of parenting and education rejects this coercion as infringing on the will of the child, and also rejects parental or educator "self-sacrifice" as infringing on the will of the adult. TCS advocates that parents and children work to find a common preference, a solution all parties genuinely prefer to all other candidate solutions they can think of.[2]

The TCS philosophy was inspired by the epistemology of Karl Popper. Popper was a professional educator himself before he started to do philosophy. In fact, philosophy was only a second option for him at that time, to be able to emigrate to escape the imminent Anschluss. He was active in the Wiener Schulreform (Vienna school reform) movement,[3][4] and there are connections between the psychology of learning, on which he did his doctoral thesis,[5] and his philosophy.[6] However, as a philosopher, he did not advocate any concrete pedagogy, although he had some general views on the issue.[7] TCS views Popper's epistemology, as Popper himself, as a universal theory of how knowledge grows, and tries to work out its profound implications for educational theory.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 03:26 | 4295846 vie
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I've been doing that with my kid.  Didn't even know it was a thing.  

Good to know not everyone is as sick as the rest of society.  Reading up on Narcissistic Personality Disorder a while back, one of the big contributors was parents who constently project their will on their child, treating them as if they had no will of their own.  The kid then grows up and learns to interact with everyone else in the same manner. Seems to work great for Corporate America though.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 09:41 | 4296192 CH1
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Good to know not everyone is as sick as the rest of society.


There are healthy people out there. They just think they're alone, because everything they see (even on places like ZH) focusses on the bad and the dark.

Undercurrents of good things are building. Find them and add to them!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 03:27 | 4295847 vie
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Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:58 | 4296402 Max Cynical
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Yet a teenager may get an abortion with the assistance of a school counselor without any parental involvement/consent.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 07:49 | 4295987 negative rates
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Just not in public.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:37 | 4295624 Musashi Miyamoto
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If you've ever been involved in a radical protest in the states you'll find these organizers typically avoid camera's like the plague

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:36 | 4295628 Tijuana Donkey Show
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I think that arose from paedophile issues in the past with people "photographing" kids. Not saying I 100% agree, but I have seen why people might want to restrict it. 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 01:12 | 4295685 satoshi101
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Is that why the police don't want to be photographed?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 01:32 | 4295712 Tijuana Donkey Show
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It's only sexual assult when they are 18+ ;) "That asshole isn't going to finger itself.."

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 07:56 | 4295996 negative rates
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You can photo a cop, he just wants compensation for it, we banned the poperotzi remember?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 01:13 | 4295687 willwork4food
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It's for the children.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 02:14 | 4295774 Skateboarder
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Paedophiles need to be handled, and inappropriate "photography" or anything of children is obscenely wrong and fucked. However, I was seeing this through the lens of freedoms lost in general. You certainly don't want 'em to come for everyone's guns because some [likely planted] asshole massacred some people at some point.

The whole 'kids' thing is so fucking sensitive now. If you care about the well being of women and children, you will always protect them. Pansy generations have forgotten how to be kids, how to raise kids., and the state would love to womb2tomb your ass for a low fee of $29.99/mo for the rest of your life.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:19 | 4295591 satoshi101
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Hillary Clinton 2016 will lead the USA public to Hitlerian Nirvanna, with Yellen leading the FED, 2014 will be the YEAR OF THE WOMAN.

2016 will be called a "new world order" with women leading the world, not unlike we were promised a new world with a 'black' ( obama ain't black - jesse jackson ), ... every few years a new BROKEN PROMISE comes from the dark asshole of the political elite,...


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 05:25 | 4295903 Scarlett
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do they pay you by the word or by the post?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 08:01 | 4295997 negative rates
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So what? You don't believe in a woman God?? I'll bet you don't smoke a peace pipe either, loser!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 11:45 | 4296579 WillyGroper
Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:22 | 4295602 Oh regional Indian
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If the "game" called Knockout (known as King Hit in Oz as I learned yesterday) is any indication, the youth you speak of are being shot down the peer pressure gutter faster than you can say Societal Collapse.

Going to be a tough year in the US and worldwide generally.

Good luck all around...



Fri, 01/03/2014 - 01:10 | 4295682 TDoS
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The men who wrote and signed the constitution owned slaves, massacred natives, and rode out in armies to squash the Whiskey Rebellion.  Yeah, they were real men of the people.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 01:21 | 4295701 IridiumRebel
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The native Americans were brutally killing each other for centuries before whitey showed up. Slaves were a world wide trade at the time so it's not like it was only happening here. Slavery was abolished soon after and well before most other societies. I'll try to drum up some reparations for you ok?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 07:44 | 4295979 Tegrat
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Be sure to include Oprah and Kanye on the reparations list. I'm sure as free people in Africa their lives (and so many others) would have been so much better.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:00 | 4296238 Cloud9.5
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People still don’t get it.  Those documents were about the way things ought to be.  They are not about what was or is.  You think Jefferson did not know what he was doing when he wrote that all men are created equal?  He was a slave holder for God sakes.  He was one of the brightest men in the room.  He knew people would view him as a hypocrite.  He could just as easily have written that all white men were created equal.   He did not take the easy way out.  He set a goal to be attained. 


We will never be perfect.  It is not in our nature.  In our despair and cynicism we have ceased striving for what ought to be.  In so doing we have succumbed to our baser nature and lost sight of the prize.   We must once again strive for the prize.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:07 | 4296632 AGuy
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" You think Jefferson did not know what he was doing when he wrote that all men are created equal? He was a slave holder for God sakes. He was one of the brightest men in the room. He knew people would view him as a hypocrite. He could just as easily have written that all white men were created equal. He did not take the easy way out. He set a goal to be attained. "

Personally I think the "all mem created equal" was all Ben Franklin who was very anti-slaverly. Jefferson was more or less a laisez faire believer. Jefferson wrote the Declaration of independance, but Franklin was the editor and probably outlined it for Jefferson.  I think Franklin choose Jefferson so that the south would sign it since it was written by "one of thier boys". Imagine if a northern boy wrote it instead. its unlikely the south would have agreed to sign it. Certainly if Franklin wrote it, they would have torn it up since Franklin was well know as an abolitionist.

"He was one of the brightest men in the room."

Franklin WAS the brightest man in the room!  Inventor, Scientist and Philosopher.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:42 | 4297183 Duke of Earl
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"You think Jefferson did not know what he was doing when he wrote that all men are created equal?  He was a slave holder for God sakes.  He was one of the brightest men in the room.  He knew people would view him as a hypocrite.  He could just as easily have written that all white men were created equal.   He did not take the easy way out.  He set a goal to be attained."


He didn't want to extend that to womyn apparently. ;) Totally agree with your idealism.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 19:55 | 4298225 economicmorphine
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Cloud,  Great post!  Thank you.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:10 | 4296639 Miles Ahead
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"The native Americans were brutally killing each other for centuries before whitey showed up. Slaves were a world wide trade at the time so it's not like it was only happening here. Slavery was abolished soon after and well before most other societies. I'll try to drum up some reparations for you ok?"

And that's that!  Saves me a lot of unnecessary American History reading (thank goodness).

The Money Shot (like in other forms of porn...)  "Slavery was abolished soon after (it was deemed economic suicide) and well before other societies (like Papua New Guniea)". 

Yes it was a good year - 1865, but when you count peonage then it's more like say, 1920-40 in reality.  Hmmm, 280 years plus... soon after but not soon enough for a few (million, give or take a few) unlucky souls.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 01:51 | 4295734 in4mayshun
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And yet those men whom you deride gave us the greatest document in history which produced the most prosperous nation the world had ever known.

You were sayin....

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 02:17 | 4295781 satoshi101
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Not true, no country in the world respects 'USA democracy',

Probably the biggest lie of all is that the USA is great or prosperous, the USA murdered over 100 million people post 1910, ... and shared the loot with the citizens up to the 1980's,... and then to the 2008, floated bubbles, and then it all collapsed.

Special? Fuck no, just another banana plantation, and the natives think they're special, they're not.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 04:26 | 4295876 Missiondweller
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"the USA murdered over 100 million people post 1910"

Huh? You smokin dope?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 04:54 | 4295893 satoshi101
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YEP, every genocide on earth going back to WWI was engineered by BUSH,HEARST,FORD and thei heirs.

Not a fucking genocide on earth that the elite running the USA didn't orchestrate, ... all so that the USA could be reserve currency.

CIA(OSS),... Going all the way back to 1776, but for now just the CUBAN  war pre teddy-roosevelt the USA engineered war's in Philipines everywhere on earth,...

I'm just giving the USA credit for MASS MURDER going back to 1910, but really you need to go back to the civil war or earlier, then it would be 150 Million dead.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 05:31 | 4295906 lakecity55
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Fri, 01/03/2014 - 08:00 | 4296001 negative rates
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Wrong again loser, it was Bush, Trump, Koch and the Rockerfellers, in that order.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 13:06 | 4296803 WillyGroper
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If it's Henry as in Ford you speak of, you've never read his essays.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:15 | 4296653 AGuy
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""the USA murdered over 100 million people post 1910"  Huh? You smokin dope?"

One word of advice: Don't feed the trolls! FWIW: It wasn't dope, it was the LSD. Scroll up about the posts on making LSD.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 05:48 | 4295911 trader1
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"the greatest document in history which produced the most prosperous nation the world had ever known"

oh yeah?  greatest document?  why?

prosperous?  based on what metric?



1942 japanese american internment camps


you were sayin...?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 02:08 | 4295764 starfcker
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Explain to me please, PLEASE TDoS, how you and your generation is so brainwashed on the slavery thing. no matter what the subject, one of you comes on here, and all you got is, but, but......SLAVERY BAD!!! no shit sherlock. but it is completely irrelavent to ANYTHING. hate to tell you, a black man in america has it better than anywhere on earth. i'm just curious why you find something that happened 150 years ago (and 8 generations) important at all. 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 02:22 | 4295784 satoshi101
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I have always thought that USA means "United Slavery Amalgamated"

Probably the biggest lies in US history is that the slaves were freed, post Lincoln all that happened, is that everyone became a slave.

They didn't upgrade the meaning of citizen, they dropped it for all, well except for the aristocracy.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 08:07 | 4296005 negative rates
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They were freed, it was the Emanipation Proclomation that did it to, then they were able to vote and get cocaine like everyone else. Next they will go back into slavery and whole thing starts again.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 20:49 | 4298365 mophead
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satoshi101, you know what time it is.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 05:25 | 4295905 lakecity55
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Stalin: "Slavery, a useful Canard."

Hitler: "No doubt, Joe."

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:20 | 4296670 TheReplacement
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The vast, Vast, VAst, VASt, VAST majority of native Americans were killed by diseases.  Only a miniscule portion of those were intentional. 

As long as there is more than one person on this planet we will have war.  This doesn't excuse anyone but you must have some concept of reality.  Sure you and your buddies can go shack up and call yourselves a peaceful commune but someone is going to come along and take your stuff.  If you don't defned yourselves you just enable and encourage such behavior.  If you do defend yourselves you might have a lifetime of fight.  It is what it is.

In that context, yeah, our founders were real men of the people.  They were men, not gods, you little douche.  Why don't you go start a country where everything is perfect and right?  Oh, you can't even start a country can you.  Hell, you can't even admit that the only way to do that would be to have a country with absolutely no humans in it at all.  You remind me of a socialist - someone who cannot accept or admit that human nature gets in the way of everything we do.  All you can do is piss and moan about the human failings of men who lived hundreds of years ago.  You are a real prize there buddy. 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 01:34 | 4295717 A Nanny Moose
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How will the FSA know who is the tyrant? FSA was educated by the tyrant. Time for Nanny's philosophy in art moment....

Shallow rivers of fashion run on courses tried and true
Masses dive in and it washes 'em down
Makes 'em feel like they're all brand new

A blinding hatred caused by fear
Is showing in their eyes
They want their truth all black and white
But a rainbow never tells no lies to a

Stranger in a strange land
What's a man supposed to do?
I'm just a stranger in a strange land

When will the light come shining through?
When will the light shine through?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 05:04 | 4295897 10mm
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The majority of this generation has it coming to them, and rightlfully so.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:19 | 4296678 TheReplacement
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No they don't.  They don't and have never known any better.  They are victims.  The people who deserve the rage are their parents, grandparents, and the great grandpaents who sold them out.  Maybe the end will be like Cambodia.  The children will be forced to kill their parents to prove their worth. 

It could be worse.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 05:20 | 4295901 lakecity55
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"Wanted: Dictator Puppet. Big Pay"

Reggie: "Barrykins, look, you should apply for this job."

Bath House: "Can I play golf?"

"I'm sure you can."

"Okay, give me that phone number."

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:34 | 4295621 satoshi101
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Most would agree that the USA died in 1963, ...

Game Over, ...

Rich pulled out, and sold out long ago, ... only debt slaves now remain in the USA holding the empty bag.


Funny once the USA reverts to a walled prison, how long before the inmates start digging tunnels to get into Mexico?


The Frog was boiled dead over 50 years ago, and folks are just now seeing the light? My guess is that now that they have came for the middle class that the pampers are soiled.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 01:48 | 4295731 starfcker
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nah satoshi, we were still doing ok until clinton. we might have fought, but it was a family fight until then. sounds like i grew up the same way you did, on a dirt bike with a crossman 760 slung over my shoulder. that was normal for a ten year old boy back then. cherry bombs could turn a mail box into scrap metal. my friends and i were out the door in the summer and only required to be home by dark. we probably had a radius of 20 miles. we lived on a lake and the only rule on swimming was an adult had to be home. football was always tackle, and helmets for bikes and skateboards didn't exist. if i got bored at my dad's office, he gave me a blob of mercury in an ashtray to play with. my mom would drop us at the beach with an inner tube to skin dive. we spent nights out on the pier fishing. we ran in packs, so nobody worried about us.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 02:17 | 4295776 satoshi101
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Well you can obviously see that I was a kid of the 50's/60's, and IMHO things were fucked in the 70's for kids, in the USA.
You might have been doing OK, but PUBLIC EDOOCATION changed mission post 1960's,

Pre 1960's public ed was EDUCATION, reading, writing, arithmetic,

Post 1960's PUBLIC-ED became socialization, equalization, ... which meant that schools became PRISON.

If you think that schools or being a kid was OK in the CLINTON years, ... then it might because you were rural, ...

Even in LA in the 1950's, we could go up/down the LA river, and feel like we were going up the Amazon on our bike bikes 24/7 at 6+ years old. ( I'm talking in Watt's, East LA ).

In the 1950's we could ride our bikes along the LA river and go ocean fishing, ... never a thought ... Even up to the 1970's much of Southern-Calif was still orange trees, aka RURAL, then in the 1970's they COVERED SO-CALIF with fucking cheap houses... The rest is history.


What happened to America? To the schools? I think it was the public employees teacher unions, they changed the mission from educating the kids to full employment for liberal art DEMOCRATS ( think clinton/pelosi ... ), the schools became a place to make money for insiders, the children and their parents were the enemy, this all started in the 1950's, ... by the 1970's it was game-over. By the 1980's it was mission-complete, by the 1990's kids were just fucking drones.


The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Certainly the intentions were good, but the outcome of 'outcome based education', is HELL ON EARTH.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 02:51 | 4295816 starfcker
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satoshi, i was saying america was ok until clinton. maybe california was a decade ahead in destroying solid education. in florida, 60's and 70's were still just fine. i grew up right on the edge of civilization, to the east, all suburban. to the west, cattle, orange groves and everglades. my parents were considered strict, and i still had what would now be considered unbelievable freedom. like you said, to explore, and learn to be not afraid of anything. even the cops didn't think it was unusual to see road warrior gangs of children on mini bikes with bb guns. they would just wave, you just weren't allowed to ride on the pavement. our dogs ran along with us. noone saw anything wrong with this. 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 04:51 | 4295890 satoshi101
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yeh, of course, once upon a time the cops came from your hood, they knew your older brother,...

Then post 1960's the FED's forced the city's to hire cops from somewhere else, and then brought in continous policing, conforming policing same-same, ... mayberry sheriff was lost forever post 1980's, USA went police state in 1980's, by FED MOU.

Once upon a time the  cops pulled you over they said "Now put the beer in the trunk, and take the girls home, ... " and that was that ...


Yep, I don't know about what childhood was like outside of CALIF (50's / 60's ), and after 1980's I never went back to USA much,... but I know in CALIF by the late 1960's the SYSTEM changed the schools, first the colleges became prisons, then the high schools, ... largely a reaction by Governor Ronald Raygun.

I know now that in the USA that most community's are on the 4th generation of welfare and most towns are METH towns as industry, logging, manufacturing is long gone.

Now rural kids get high on METH and rape old men, and put the RAPE on YOUTUBE, and then take the old guys ATM and get busted.... USA is fucked.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 02:48 | 4295812 August
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It's a good thing for young boys to run in packs. Then, they may move on to better things.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:22 | 4296685 TheReplacement
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Both wrong.   Great grandpa sold you out in 1913 for some stability.  You really should have a talk with any living ancients about this and why they have committed you and your kids to serfdom.  Mine have all seen the shadow of the day but at least they tried to teach me right and correctly.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:28 | 4296696 AGuy
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"we were still doing ok until clinton."

Nope. It stopped after Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society", which created the Wealthfare state. Since the 1970's real wages have stagnated and started to decline after the recession of the 1990s.

Best chart I could find at the moment, but since this a a "Fed" chart it does not reflect the age of hedonic CPI which hides the real inflation rate.  So ignore the fake increases after 1990.




Fri, 01/03/2014 - 13:19 | 4296862 dizzyfingers
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AGuy: No, it started in 1913 with Fed.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:28 | 4297137 starfcker
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aguy and dizzy, you both make good points, but different than the one i was trying to make. i called it a family fight because no matter if you liked LBJ or not, it was policies aimed at america by americans, and if the country was mad (it was) it could vote for change. what was different about clinton and gore was that they worshipped only money, and could really give a rat's ass about america, and their fellow americans. money from anywhere trumped what was best for america. clintons third way (using the FSA to funnel money to the multinationals) effectively killed the two party system. between clinton and bush they abolished pretty much every protection average americans had against monopoly capitolism. and here we are.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 08:05 | 4296008 negative rates
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Most would not, you are the only one building the house of lies.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 09:23 | 4296153 FredFlintstone
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So where is this wonderful land that all of the smart people in the USA left for? Does it have a name?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 05:42 | 4295908 trader1
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heinlein was bipolar?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 07:58 | 4295995 hootowl
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Change "recklessness" to "ruthlessness" and you'll get my up vote.

Liberalism/Progressivism is a contagious disease.  It's practicianers must be exterminated, they have been ideologically poisoned, once achieving adulthood, most of them can't be re-educated.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 08:36 | 4296042 doctor10
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"Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage’s whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men."

Ayn Rand

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 08:50 | 4296062 Ghordius
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interesting quote. not to counter it, historically privacy has been an aquired taste of the Bourgeousie. While the aristocracy had no privacy, to the point that the birth of a new crown prince was a public event (for aristocratic guests, of course), and the land masses had no means for privacy, it was always the city-dweller, the "walled market place" inhabitant that choose privacy as part of a life-style, both in ancient as in modern times. as such, privacy on the 18-20th Century West's scale was a new mass phenomenon

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 09:45 | 4296203 overmedicatedun...
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Ghordius, privacy, seems some 18th century thinkers and founding fathers ,across the pond, held privacy and property rights as equals and needed for a just government..both are now in the dust bin, and the powerful of today see both as threats to their power and wealth.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:14 | 4296660 DanDaley
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An armed society is a polite society.  Robert A. Heinlein

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:04 | 4295540 wee-weed up
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The Nanny-State is to blame for kids not being allowed to be kids any more.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:08 | 4295550 JohnnyBriefcase
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Who will solve my problems for me then?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 05:39 | 4295907 El Vaquero
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Jim Beam, Johnnie Walker and Jack Daniels. 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 08:52 | 4296074 kralizec
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I'll that to drink! (hic!)

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 05:50 | 4295912 trader1
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no, it's the parents and parental authority figures.  always has been.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:06 | 4295545 IridiumRebel
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I will never be a subject. I will move. I did this in CT when they deemed it necessary to register my legal protection. I up and moved. I make a point to meet the neighbors. Rural Ohio is much friendlier. I see posts of the jackasses in NYC with their snowstorm vodka parties. Have it. Be a subject. I will move to Mars if I have to. As for my kids, no one will do better than myself, my wife and family in raising them. I'll gut you from nut to nose if you try to take my rights as a parent. Hell hath no fury in comparison.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:25 | 4295607 Oh regional Indian
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Good for you IR, nothing like home schooling and deep parental interaction to bring up good, grounded kids.

I see kid rearing in India go hard west, if you know what I mean and man, does it look bleak here in India. TeeVee has India in mental lockdown.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:37 | 4295623 Skateboarder
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There are lots of American and International prep skools in India, the kind that get you prepped to come here and be a nice little muppet. K-12, all that shit, for rich kids, primarily, right? I hear from Indians who went back to raise their kids there, and have come back, that those schools are pretty lame (breeding grounds for entitled brats). Education worldwide is in the shitter.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:40 | 4295631 IridiumRebel
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Thanks. Part of the attraction to moving here is my mom who taught elementary school for 45 years. She's seen guidance be supplanted for "common core" and pharmaceutical discipline. It disgusts her. She has taken the primary educational direction with her and the growth is amazing. When my daughter was born, that instant watching her be extracted from my wife I felt incredible love. I also knew then and there that nothing else matters besides her well being. That will not be denied. In June our second child will be born. Same goes for the second.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:50 | 4295651 Oh regional Indian
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Nice IR. I've been reading that they are trying hard to criminalize home schooling.

That really tells the whole story there, does it not?

And to skateboarders point above, yes yes and yes. The schooling system in India is PURE slave or brat creating. All the hip schools, with names like Canadian this and American that are all Smartboard education, the human teacher is only a discipline keeper and changes the Smartboard program as directed.

It does ntotlook good for the coming generations whose parents are blinded by mammon's westernize at any cost light.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 01:53 | 4295721 wee-weed up
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The socialist liberal democrats have had a strangle-hold on public education in the US since the 1960's.

The dumbed-down little sheeples they graduate are finally in sufficient numbers to give us (twice!) the incompetent moron we have now in the White House.

They want to win again in 2016, and 2020, etc.

Thus their efforts to "criminalize" home schooling. They know home schooled kids are lacking the dozen-year socialist indoctrination and can actually think for themselves. To a socialist liberal democrat, that's dangerous.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 07:53 | 4295988 hootowl
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That is why the progressive jihadists insist on headstart beginning at 2 years soon as the mush-brained runts are toilet trained......Get them early before the parents can instill their values in those empty little heads.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:58 | 4296772 DanDaley
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Take it one step further, ori.  They are trying to criminalize EVERYTHING that they say is criminal, and that way lies total control of you, me, and everybody.


There was and old joke from the 60s in which they used to compare 4 major countries concerning freedom:

In Russia, eveything is illegal, including that which is legal.

In Germany, everything is illegal, except that which is legal.

In the US, everything is legal, except that which is illegal.

In France, everything is legal, including that which is illegal.


But now, the US has become Russia, and Russia looks more like the US...eveything is becoming illegal here in the US, or they would have it so.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 09:16 | 4296136 FredFlintstone
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Beware, they become teenagers. Ah, the naivety of a young parent. Just kidding and good luck.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 13:12 | 4296832 WillyGroper
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I regret the inability to give you infinite arrows for this post.

Joy like no other.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:42 | 4295640 American34
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Dang straight buddy! I surely hope there are at least 1 million of you left out there amonst the other 314 million. Then maybe, just maybe we have a chance of having an American we will recognize as such in 10 years.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:49 | 4295650 IridiumRebel
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"We are men of action. Lies do not become us."

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 01:31 | 4295718 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Ohio is an odd place IR. I've lived here my whole life, and spend time in multiple parts of the state. Just avoid any major city exept Columbus, and you're ok. If the FSA rises up, I'll take my chances in Ohio, and not NYC. 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 01:44 | 4295728 A Nanny Moose
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You have a standing invite to my post Untied States' bankruptcy, Aircraft Carrier, cum sovereign nation in the middle of some nuked south pacific atoll.

The skiing sucks, but the wildlife is ....interesting.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 05:49 | 4295913 trader1
Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:35 | 4295622 Overfed
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Fucking hits the nail sqarely on the head. Fucking awesome.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:13 | 4295575 yogibear
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The American people are hungry for a Mao, Stalin or Hitler type. The country is ready for an Obama version that takes rights away, and wealth...... Wait, it's already happening.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:30 | 4296695 dizzyfingers
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"The American people are hungry for a Mao, Stalin or Hitler type. The country is ready for an Obama version that takes rights away, and wealth...... Wait, it's already happening."

I fear so too. Due warning: The Great Terror: A Reassessment  by Robert Conquest

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:13 | 4295578 Musashi Miyamoto
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We have already experienced social collapse. What we see around us is the silent thunder of chunks of civilization collapsing under the stress of total hopelessness. We're in free fall now. Until we hit the bottom you will hear only the subtle whistling through the air. No gravity in free-fall. Only once we touchdown on the bedrock of our depravity will these larger chunks crumble to dust under their own weight.

We have crossed the even horizon. There is no turning back now.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:45 | 4295646 Tijuana Donkey Show
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It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 02:01 | 4295759 satoshi101
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Brother Miyamoto, like always this entire POST was NOT read, ... but the last line say's ALL.

"ONCE a nation of police hit little girls, knock the teeth out of grandma's, ... that NATION IS FUCKED, and FUCKED forever"

The fact that there is NOT national outrage is telling, the MSM of course says that GRANNY deserved to have her teeth knocked out, ... this is not at all unlike the Roman times, when all were told that those eaten by lions, deserved such fate, the crowds applauded.

The USA descending into HELL has NO U TURN.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 02:22 | 4295788 Musashi Miyamoto
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I remember a cop trying to explain to me how homeless people were all were disgusting animals with "contagious disease" in his mind he was serving the public by "cleansing the streets".

Fuck the Pigs.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 02:36 | 4295805 satoshi101
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Well that 'cop' was honest,

I have worked with a lot of cops when young, ... and I can say that their general attitude is that if you don't have a 'job' like them, you should be taken out and shot,..

Thus all the system has to do is convince the cops that the TARGET is unemployed its all good, ... clean kill. No job cuz he's "Lazy",...

Yep, its funny in the entire world the homeless or POOR are allowed to roam at will, by choice, and nobody gives them a second thought, but in the USA, they're seen as cockroaches, ... this attitude goes way back,... to christian values, ... 1800's, and before in England all had prisons for the poor, most of america had prisons for the poor up until the 1930's. "Poorhouses" they called them, but they were prison, essentially the IDEA was that the POOR should be out of SIGHT.

Just another reason to stay far away from the god damn fucking nazi paradise called "USA".

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 02:58 | 4295823 Musashi Miyamoto
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These days they put arm rests in the middle of park benches so homeless can't sleep and move on.

I thinks its called "security architecture", "Security design" or something.

City planning boards pay people money to design public spaces this way.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 04:25 | 4295875 satoshi101
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You forgot to mention the drip lines under awnings so people can't sleep under covered sidewalks.


The issue is if it can't be seen, it doesn't exist, ... that seems to be a christian american value, most of the world deals with their poor or crippled and doesn't imprioson them and/or hide them, ... Hitler chose to exterminate the weak, poor, or crippled, the USA historically imprisoned them. Only now that the USA is broke are the streets being flooded with 'homeless', but for years prior to the 1980's POOR were hidden from sight.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 03:45 | 4295857 Dr. Destructo
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So to clarify -you're saying that the attitude where the poor are seen as "cockroaches" has roots in Christian values?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 04:22 | 4295872 satoshi101
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We prefer to call imprisoning and/or hiding the POOR as "Christian Values"


As someone who lives in Asia, I frequently try to explain to Muslims, and Taoists, and buddhists and Hindis the meaning of the USA.

For instance the notion that if you love the baby jeebuz you will get rich, is common in BUSH-christianity aka fox news.

Most Muslims and Buddhists, and Taoists/Confuscianists understand that worshipping doesn't make you rich, that only smart work and saving makes you rich.

But there is this 'christian' Mayflower attitude that the poor smited baby jeebuz, and that they must carry the burden, and they must be removed from sight.

Here is a class EXAMPLE the ZOO, go to an asia zoo you will see, poor, crippled, and old animals all living together,

Only in the USA western ZOO do you see only the young, the healthy and the beautiful,

Where does this idea come from to hide the old and poor from sight? From their religion, christianity.


Go travel in Asia anywhere you will see poor, crippled, retarded, dumb, and drunken morons in the streets and NOBODY locks them up, only in the west is it a crime to be POOR or DUMB.

Baby Jeebuz ONLY loves the rich and beautiful, all else must be hidden.



Fri, 01/03/2014 - 04:57 | 4295895 Dr. Destructo
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Gotcha -I'm glad I asked before going into an early morning tirade. To solidify your point the U.S. will distort any ideology into whatever suits the interest of their "perfect society". The so-called "Christians" of Fox News and other Neo-Conservative propaganda outlets have no understanding of what The Bible says about the poor. If they did, you would see them defend, help, and generally have a more merciful point-of-view of the poor.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 08:33 | 4296032 satoshi101
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You are good grasshopper, remind of my colleague Dr. Memento back at Reed College in the 'day'.

I need to tell a story about cop's in the 1950's, but now I'm pissed from a funeral, hope to come later sober. xxx000xxx

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 08:40 | 4296051 Magnum
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Fri, 01/03/2014 - 07:43 | 4295976 hootowl
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Your ignorance of Christian values is boundless.  Why don't you stick to posting about things you purport to understand.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 08:27 | 4296029 Sparkey
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No he has got it right Hootowl, As my pastor says; Those whom God has made rich in this World, he will make even richer in the next!

If Jesus has cast out the poor and crippled, why should we have to look at, or bother with them?

I am a Christian and if you are no good to Jesus you are no good to me!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 09:09 | 4296121 FredFlintstone
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Not sure if you are a Christian or have read much of the bible. I am sure that you are either full of it or are tring to yank his chain.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 09:10 | 4296116 FredFlintstone
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You make some interesting points and I appreciate your perspective. However, China has 1 billion peasants and maybe that is why they can hide them all from view.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 02:20 | 4295785 Musashi Miyamoto
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The last riot i got dragged into the cops were shooting people. We got helicopters, flash bang grenades people throwing glass. shit went down. they closed down 12 city blocks.

6 hours later all that was left was a bunch of tagging. by the end of the week it was all forgotten.

The uprising will be significantly more intense.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 04:48 | 4295889 Dr. Destructo
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The suspense is what kills me. All this talk of disaster (with plenty of evidence supporting it) and seeing the inevitable being drawn out and prolonged like it is becomes rather torturous after awhile.

I don't believe there will be an uprising simply because the people are much too divided for it to happen, and that is by social design. People don't want to lose their comforts, and they continue to divide and classify themselves. Additionally, people in the U.S. prefer to wait for a leader or some other high authority to pave the way, and many are groomed from the cradle to follow rather than take initiative (Which is especially for my generation -which is Gen Y).

A short digression before going back to the topic at hand: A lot of people are wondering when the transition from freedom to political fuckslave happened, and to be honest I'm not certain. However I do remember that when I grew up in the late 80s-mid 90s and I was able to roam free with toy guns even while living in a city. I left for Japan in 1994 (age 10), came back in 1997 (age 13), and the change was noticeable. Peers were getting doped up for being kids, and a professional drug-pusher tried to zombify me but my parents refused to allow that to happen. I'm willing to wager that whenever they started doping up kids was when the shit hit the fan, because compliant kids make for compliant adults, and now you got my generation raising a more perfect zombie and passively accepting whatever the state decides.

Now, back to the point. With pills by the metric fuckton that are prescribed to millions of children diagnosed with childhood (which they call ADD) and an education system that only teaches you how to conform and comply that makes for one hell of a wet dream for any tyrant.

So for those of you who are just waiting for the uprising to happen your chances are getting slimmer by the day. It won't be long when we'll be balls deep in the "zombie" apocalypse when these heavily-medicated citizens of Wirani start to see us all as the state does: Insane-yet-frugal malcontents that refuse to drink out of the crystalline well and want to destroy their way of life.

2014 is the year my "the end is near" rantings go into overdrive. It's gonna be one hell of a year, and I'm gonna lose a lot of friends -looking forward to it!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 09:13 | 4296129 Musashi Miyamoto
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Let the truth be told. Pharmapsychology is the worst medical practice since Bleeding the red Humor. The DSM is a perversion of science. They would tell us that 20% of the population requires their pill and its only getting worse.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 03:57 | 4295863 pupdog1
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...crushed under the weight of a vast, overextended metaphor.     ;8>D

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 09:03 | 4296101 FredFlintstone
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Your post gave me chills. Wait, it is 19 deg F outside.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:18 | 4295582 williambanzai7
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I don't know what makes anyone think the public telephone network was ever secure.

The big news is the spies at the NSA and it's predecessors once treated the Nazis and their Enigma machine as their primary enemy. Now it is each and every one of us.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:27 | 4295604 satoshi101
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The point was that once a upon a time, a guy wanted to have a private chat with his gal, he could go into a phone booth, with the expectation of 'privacy', not from the NSA but from gawkers and snoops.

Today of course kids CAM themselves having sex and post, the author is simply pointed out how the notion of privacy has changed.

Once a upon a time a 'phone booth' was an enclosed glass box, ... but my guess is that if your under 40 years old you may have never seen one. They existed back in the day for the sake of 'privacy'.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 06:44 | 4295936 The Wisp
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Privacy ? I thought phone booths were to keep the rain and wind and cold out while you tried to hear the person on the other end, and soundproofing for the cars driving by, I know you were darn quick to close the doors so you could hear...

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:24 | 4295606 Musashi Miyamoto
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I know a guy who, when the nature of our conversation deviates, communicates by writing everything on a piece of paper and burning it afterwords.

I think I prefer PGP but he's a little old fashioned

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:29 | 4295610 Skateboarder
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Your amigo is a champion of the highest order. I wish him well.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 03:55 | 4295849 pupdog1
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The really sad part is that the NSA, which has been around a long time, used to do brilliant and vital work.

Now its integrity and patriotism are represented by the Clapper.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:24 | 4295600 Not My Real Name
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I like Dr. Roberts, but I'd like to know which airports he flies into that have Fox News on the overhead monitors. I've been to scores of airports and they're always showing propaganda from CNN -- at least in the US.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:26 | 4295609 satoshi101
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He may have the two confused.

Care to tell me how the fucking MSM FAUX or CNN are any fucking different?

CNN is MSM bullshit for 'left nazis', and Faux is bullshit for 'right nazis', but who in the fucking hell can see a difference?


It doesn't matter if it was FAUX or CNN, sort of like whether its HUFF, DRUDGE, or ZH, .. its all coming from the same source.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:27 | 4295612 Enough Already
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I tell these things to the people that are closest to me and they raise up their hands and go Blah Blah Blah.

One sister has benefited from the Status Quo,  her husband bringing down a $70K/year govt pension after he retired at age 55. He is now 67. The other siblings just want their govt. check. They have never contibuted anything. 

I do not see any hope.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:41 | 4295634 Dr. Engali
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It amazes me how much the country has changed over the past forty years. When I was a kid we would wake up on Saturday morning, grab a bite to eat, and then hop on our bikes to go hang out with other kids in the neighborhood. The only rule we had was we had to be home before dark. We would fish, play football, baseball, hunt craw dads. We never had a problem filling our days. At some point in time our country's youth went from care free risk taking fun to a bunch of lethargic video game zombies. Technology has changed the country and not all of it is for the better.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:58 | 4295664 satoshi101
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Yep, we grew up in the best of times.

Well that freedom to go out and ride the bike anywhere and every where and explore is what led me later to travel, .. and learn, ... to explore, ... to experiment, ... to fear nothing,...

Can't help to think that today's 'Growing up, must be fucking god damn as painful a wild horse growing up in a box', got to make you fucking crazy, no wonder so many boy's are put on Ritalin,... shit I would have been on a Ritalin IV, ... they would have had too.

Again,... I would say that 90% of the world, is still old school, if you got kids get the fuck out of the USA and let them grow up to be men.


Every where has game-shops where kids can play video, but its a minority, most boys would rather fish, than sit indoors, where ever I go in 3rd-world country's I still see boys living like I did, just swimming, and having fun everyday that they're not in school.

Most likely when women went to work the kids had to be contained, that made the kids nuts, so they put the kids on drugs, ... its a fucked up world,...

Again, technology is everywhere, but most still choose to play outside, .... you know the gubmint would really prefer that the masses stay in their little 'home' they call prison 24/7,... and getting the frog just boiled so he don't jump out of his home-prison, ... getting it just right,

But nobody said the after effects woudl be pretty,

Like all these boys killing other kids in school, thery're hurting, ... they have no love, ... no concept of sex, or touching, ... just 24/7 porn tube, and games ... and if they do touch they put it on facebook or post and that destorys the girls life, ... I mean its really fucked up ... But only in the USA, the rest of the world is doing just fine.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 00:47 | 4295644 SillySalesmanQu...
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We have been Naziized, and damm few are even aware of, notice or care (except for here at ZH). Privacy, rule of law, fundamentals, honesty, integrity, morals, scruples, and common decency are things of the past for most...

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 01:04 | 4295674 22winmag
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Subjects of the Imperial State of Connecticut line up to register their guns (for future confiscation of course).


"The time to bury your guns is the time to start digging them up".

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 01:14 | 4295692 IridiumRebel
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I heard some gun owners were so fuckin disgusted that they moved out of the state taking their much needed tax revenues with them. Dan Malloy and that whole faggot state can eat shit. Not one more red cent from me.

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