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Guest Post: Violence In The Face Of Tyranny Is Often Necessary
Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,
It was the winter of 1939, only a few months earlier the Soviet Union and Hitler's Third Reich had signed a partially secret accord known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact; essentially a non-aggression treaty which divided Europe down the middle between the fascists and the communists. Hitler would take the West, and Stalin would take the East. Stalin's war machine had already steamrolled into Latvia. Lithuania, and Estonia. The soviets used unprecedented social and political purges, rigged elections, and genocide, while the rest of the world was distracted by the Nazi blitzkrieg in Poland. In the midst of this mechanized power grab was the relatively tiny nation of Finland, which had been apportioned to the communists.
Apologists for Stalinist history (propagandists) have attempted to argue that the subsequent attack on Finland was merely about “border territories” which the communists claimed were stolen by the Finns when they seceded from Russia during the Bolshevik Revolution. The assertion that the soviets were not seeking total dominance of the Finns is a common one. However, given the vicious criminal behavior of Russia in nearby pacified regions, and their posture towards Finland, it is safe to assume their intentions were similar. The Finns knew what they had to look forward to if they fell victim to the iron hand of Stalin, and the soviet propensity for subjugation was already legendary.
The Russian military was vastly superior to Finland's in every way a common tactician would deem important. They had far greater numbers, far better logistical capability, far better technology, etc, etc. Over 1 million troops, thousands of planes, thousands of tanks, versus Finland's 32 antiquated tanks, 114 planes which were virtually useless against more modern weapons, and 340,000 men, most of whom were reservists rallied from surrounding farmlands. Finland had little to no logistical support from the West until the conflict was almost over, though FDR would later pay lip service to the event, “condemning” soviet actions while brokering deals with them behind the scenes. Russian military leadership boasted that the Finns would run at the sound of harsh words, let alone gun fire. The invasion would be a cakewalk.
The battle that followed would later be known as the “Winter War”; an unmitigated embarrassment for the Soviets, and a perfect example of a small but courageous indigenous guerrilla army repelling a technologically advanced foe.
To Fight, Or Pretend To Fight?
Fast forward about seven decades or so, and you will discover multiple countries around the globe, including the U.S., on the verge of the same centralized and collectivized socialist occupation that the Finnish faced in 1939. The only difference is that while their invasion came from without, our invasion arose from within. The specific methods may have changed, but the underlying face of tyranny remains the same.
In America, the only existing organization of people with the slightest chance of disrupting and defeating the march towards totalitarianism is what we often refer to as the “Liberty Movement”; a large collection of activist and survival groups tied together by the inexorable principles of freedom, natural law, and constitutionalism. The size of this movement is difficult to gauge, but its social and political presence is now too large to be ignored. We are prevalent enough to present a threat, and prevalent enough to be attacked, and that is all that matters. That said, though we are beginning to understand the truly vital nature of our role in America's path, and find solidarity in the inherent values of liberty that support our core, when it comes to solutions to the dilemma of globalization and elitism, we are sharply divided.
While most activist movements suffer from a complete lack of solutions to the problems they claim to recognize, constitutional conservatives tend to have TOO MANY conceptual solutions to the ailments of the world. Many of these solutions rely upon unrealistic assumptions and methods that avoid certain inevitable outcomes. Such strategies center mostly on the concepts of “non-aggression” or pacifism idealized and romanticized by proponents of Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr, and the anti-war movements of the 1960's and 1970's. The post-baby boomer generations in particular have grown up with an incessant bombardment of the “higher nature” of non-violence as a cure-all for every conceivable cultural ailment.
We have been taught since childhood that fighting solves nothing, but is this really true?
I can understand the allure of the philosophy. After all, physical confrontation is mentally and emotionally terrifying to anyone who is not used to experiencing it. The average “reasonable” person goes far out of their way on every occasion to avoid it. Most of the activists that I have met personally who deride the use of force against tyrannical government have never actually been in an outright confrontation of any kind in their lives, or if they have, it ended in a failure that scarred them. They have never trained for the eventuality. Many of them have never owned a firearm. The focus of their existence has been to hide from pain, rather than overcome their fears to achieve something greater.
There is nothing necessarily wrong with becoming an “intellectual warrior”, unless that person lives under the fantasy that this alone will be enough to defeat the kind of evil we face today.
Non-aggression methods rely on very specific circumstances in order to be effective. Most of all, they rely on a system of government that is forced to at least PRETEND as if it cares what the masses think of it. Gandhi's Indian Independence Movement, for example, only witnessed noticeable success because the British government at that time was required to present a semblance of dignity and rule of law. But what happens if a particular tyranny reaches a point where the facade of benevolence disappears? What happens when the establishment turns to the use of the purge as a tool for consolidation? What happens when the mask comes completely off?
How many logical arguments or digital stashes of ethereal Bitcoins will it take to save one's life or one's freedom then?
Arguments For And Against Violent Action
The position against the use of “violence” (or self defense) to obstruct corrupt systems depends on three basic debate points:
1) Violence only feeds the system and makes it stronger.
2) We need a “majority” movement in order to be successful.
3) The system is too technologically powerful – to fight it through force of arms is “futile”, and our chances are slim to none.
First, violence does indeed feed the system, if it is driven by mindless retribution rather than strategic self defense. This is why despotic governments often resort to false flag events; the engineering of terrorist actions blamed on scapegoats creates fear within the unaware portions of the population, which generates public support for further erosion of freedoms. However, there is such a thing as diminishing returns when it comes to the “reach, teach, and inspire” method.
The escalation of totalitarianism will eventually overtake the speed at which the movement can awaken the masses, if it has not done so already. There will come a time, probably sooner rather than later, when outreach will no longer be effective, and self defense will have to take precedence, even if that means subsections of the public will be shocked and disturbed by it. The sad fact is, the faster we wake people up, the faster the establishment will degrade social stability and destroy constitutional liberties. A physical fight is inevitable exactly because they MAKE it inevitable. Worrying about staying in the good graces of the general populace or getting honest representatives elected is, at a certain point, meaningless. I find it rather foolish to presume that Americans over the next decade or two or three have the time needed to somehow inoculate the system from within. In fact, I'm starting to doubt that strategy has any merit whatsoever.
Second, the idea that a movement needs a “majority” of public backing to shift the path of a society is an old wives tale. Ultimately, most people throughout history are nothing more than spectators in life, watching from the sidelines while smaller, ideologically dedicated groups battle for superiority. Global developments are decided by true believers; never by ineffectual gawkers. Some of these groups are honorable, and some of them are not so honorable. Almost all of them have been in the minority, yet they wield the power to change the destiny of the whole of the nation because most people do not participate in their own futures. They merely place their heads between their legs and wait for the storm to pass.
All revolutions begin in the minds and hearts of so-called “outsiders”. To expect any different is to deny the past, and to assume that a majority is needed to achieve change is to deny reality.
Third, I'm not sure why non-aggression champions see the argument of statistical chance as relevant. When all is said and done, the “odds” of success in any fight against oligarchy DO NOT MATTER. Either you fight, or you are enslaved. The question of victory is an afterthought.
Technological advantage, superior numbers, advanced training, all of these things pale in comparison to force of will, as the Finnish proved during the Winter War. Some battles during that conflict consisted of less than a hundred Finns versus tens-of-thousands of soviets. Yet, at the end of the war, the Russians lost 3500 tanks, 500 aircraft, and had sustained over 125,000 dead (official numbers). The Finns lost 25,000 men. For every dead Finn, the soviets lost at least five. This is the cold hard reality behind guerrilla and attrition warfare, and such tactics are not to be taken lightly.
Do we go to the Finnish and tell them that standing against a larger, more well armed foe is “futile”? Do we tell them that their knives and bolt action rifles are no match for tanks and fighter planes? And by extension, do we go to East Asia today and tell the Taliban that their 30 year old AK-47's are no match for predator drones and cruise missiles? Obviously, victory in war is not as simple as having the biggest gun and only the uneducated believe otherwise.
The Virtues Of Violence
The word “violence” comes with numerous negative connotations. I believe this is due to the fact that in most cases violence is used by the worst of men to get what they want from the weak. Meeting violence with violence, though, is often the only way to stop such abuses from continuing.
At Alt-Market, we tend to discuss measures of non-participation (not non-aggression) because all resistance requires self-sustainability. Americans cannot fight the criminal establishment if they rely on the criminal establishment. Independence is more about providing one's own necessities than it is about pulling a trigger. But, we have no illusions about what it will take to keep the independence that we build. This is where many conceptual solutions are severely lacking.
If the system refuses to let you walk away, what do you do? If the tyrants would rather make the public suffer than admit that your social or economic methodology is better for all, how do you remove them? When faced with a cabal of psychopaths with deluded aspirations of godhood, what amount of reason will convince them to step down from their thrones?
I'm sorry to say, but these questions are only answered with violence.
The Liberty Movement doesn't need to agree on the “usefulness” of physical action because it is coming regardless. The only things left to discern are when and how. Make no mistake, one day each and every one of us will be faced with a choice – to fight, or to throw our hands in the air and pray they don't shoot us anyway. I certainly can't speak for the rest of the movement, but in my opinion only those who truly believe in liberty will stand with rifle in hand when that time comes. A freedom fighter is measured by how much of himself he is willing to sacrifice, and how much of his humanity he holds onto in the process. Fear, death, discomfort; none of this matters. There is no conundrum. There is no uncertainty. There are only the chains of self-defeat, or the determination of the gun. The sooner we all embrace this simple fact, the sooner we can move on and deal with the dark problem before us.
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Come back Boris, all is forgiven.
Compared to the Finnish army it was which is the point of the article. Most Finnish soldiers never even seen a tank before their first encounter with one. The Finns main anti tank weapon was ironically the Molotov cocktail which proved to be quite effective.
Or jamming the treads with thick logs. Chop Chop. A tank that can't move is absolutely useless.
do your homework, read suvorov....actualy ever since the mid thirties some of its weaponry was No.1 in the world
Red Army was technologically advanced compare to anyone.
"I have to death sentence on twelve systems"
Famous last words
Violence?
Where do we sign up?
Violence isn't the answer, it's the question...and the answer is HELL YES!
Brandon wrote:
"Make no mistake, one day each and every one of us will be faced with a choice – to fight, or to throw our hands in the air and pray they don't shoot us anyway."
No way, dude.
I've been hearing the same refrain for a decade and we are no closer now than 10 years ago. No one cares. That's reality. There are maybe 100,000 angry people out there who get it. The other 317 million don't even know what TARP was or how ZIRP works to feed the banks, or QE or Bernanke. None of that shit. They just don't care.
There is no great awakening, and there will not be one. It's just not gonna happen here, for so many reasons that aren't even worth discussing. It's too painful to repeat what we all know already.
I admire the spirit of your piece, but violence won't work either. Nothing will work. It is completely fucking hopeless.
Hillary is up next for 8 years, then that Bush nephew (George P. Bush), then it's chelsea's turn for 8 years. And when she's finished, it's Sasha and Malia for 16 years.
We are so fucked.
How about fetching me another beer?
How fitting of you to ask a hopeless and forlorn footstool to grab you a drink like a good little submissive lad.
Who would you be fighting for?
The 317 million who don't even see a problem with the current system...?
Nonsense.
Then tell me Tim, how a slave people became the Rulers of The World.
It sure as hell wasn't based on retaining a belief system based on slavery.
But I can see that it's a big hill to climb, when a whole society has been brainwashed to Turn the Other Cheek, to Forgive, to be Meek and Submissive to Shepherds (leaders), etc, etc.
Unless you come up with "JC 2.0", or adopt Darwinistic principles like Reciprocity (Quid pro Quo), it is a big hill indeed.
"Who would you be fighting for?"
That you ask that question, says all.
You have lost any semblance of being a man.
I'll just take some medicinal weed and 3 bags of Doritos, Please
A proper revolution is brewed, and agitated gently. Violence is always needed, and a little bloody, but used judiciously. It can get out of hand quickly. Best be quick and decisive.
Shillary has a tight grip on your balz. You might as well hang yourself now.
Hey Daily, speak for yourself. What are you going to do if they show up at your door? Fight, or lay down like a slave? That is the only thing you need to concern yourself with.
"There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution."
-- Aldous Huxley, Tavistock Group, California Medical School, 1961
I can think of some religions that have the same effect. No wonder it was once called "The Opiate of The Masses".
I no longer worship a peasant deity, no longer believe in turning the other cheek, or the "blessedness" of poverty. Nor in seeing myself as a Sheep, part of a Flock, or needing a Shepherd. Nor as a Fish, to be caught by a Fisherman.
Come to think of it... I don't see a basis or need to worship ANY 'deity', when I know that such a 'deity' is nothing more than a starship captain.
TV, anyone?
You are about 10X short on the angry people part. Obama is doing his best to destroy the military and demonize VETS. These are the bravest and most highly trained soldiers in the world and almost all of them hate Obama and his administration.
It sounds like you better just give up and move to Canada buddy and post from there. As for those of us who have courage I would take 100,000 patriots against 1,000,000 DHS morons any day.
Your down arrows must because so many here root against the existence of the USA forecasted forty years forward......
Then eat a bullet, Debbie Downer.
as a southerner. i know that taking the money away is our greatest threat. and it would require just a few to do it. they are being given a little more time. i dont know why.
"as a southerner" - do you use that to indicate any retard should be able to understand your premise.
I think he is referring to the context of american history
I don't know. Are you just any retard, or a special kind of retard? Many retards know that you end a question with a question mark.
it means one who lives in one of many states that have constant reminders of the last conflict. including my proprerty.
"I'm sorry to say, but these questions are only answered with violence.
The Liberty Movement doesn't need to agree on the “usefulness” of physical action because it is coming regardless. The only things left to discern are when and how."
A yep.
you are correct. and soon. and they know it
Any significant (i.e. more than but a very few days) disruption in the supply chain to many Metropolitan areas / conurbations, and we already are fully aware of the likely consequences.
Think recent "EBT" Service disruption, but on a far grander scale!
308 motherfucker.
See something spray something........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H88gSjdzoCo
Yeah, whatever. Just keep your ass up north you stupid motherfucker.
"... up North..." ???
You live in the SOUTH?? I wouldn't want to try to take the 308's from my Southern neighbors.
THAT is laughable.
You can check Smack's other posts on how he feels about the South.
Much easier to write essays as an intellectual warrior fantasizing about somebody else being violent and paying the price for it. We're all right behind ya Brandon.
Why are you worried about what the author will do? You only need to worry about what you will do when tyranny comes knocking. Are you going to fight, or surrender?
Not worried at all about what the author will do. He will continue to write articles encouraging others to start revolution and then hide and move somewhere safe when it starts, just like all of you who post on these boards that somebody else has to take to the streets but not you personally. Tyranny has already knocked and is watching TV and surfing the net in your living room, yet you pretend it's going to happen in the future and only then will you fight. You have already surrendered and are doing nothing but posting comments on a website.
Bullshit, Mr. Smith.
Those who are soft on "violence" as a solution, knowing full well the overwhelming majority hasn't a clue what the real problems are...
that is in poor taste, serves no one, and is a dangerous stance.
And stop feeding the paranoia.
Perhaps you are a provocateur... that would be disappointing.
The Government is the provocateur through the encroachment upon the Civl Liberties afforded to the people by the Creator. The people give the Government the right to exist. The Government gives nothing but has been perverted, convoluted into taking from the people.
Instead of serving the people it has decided that the people exist to serve the Government.
If this does not stop then Civil War shall be the result. That is not a threat but merely a prognostication based upon what has happened to Tyrannical Governments in the past all across the Globe throughout History.
While I personally do not promote violence...
First point...Others, after reading the many comments here, do promote a "violent" solution.
Second point...I reserve all rights to self defense.
Finally Self Defense shall not be construed as violence when used to repel an aggressor.
Is that understood?
The Soviets didn't have absolute control over all communications and data, the ability to wipe out bank accounts and track all finances, or the ability to drone strike you without you ever hearing a drone or having a chance to shoot. The Feds have the kind of full spectrum dominance that the Nazis and Soviets wished they could have had. Fighting them head on is a fools' errand, and a sure recipe for disaster. Even if victory were possible, without a solid ideological foundation, all that would happen is that the most violent faction would win - and then we're back to square one. John Adams said the American Revolution was won before the first shot was fired. When you understand why that was you understand what we really have to do. And it's nonviolent.
Have you ever considered why people in some lands resort to suicide bombing? Because confronting an enemy much greater...and then living would be neigh impossible in some cases. One man (or increasingly, woman) knowing he will die can do far more damage than a man who hopes to do some damage to his enemy and then live to fight another day.
Yeah, those suicide bombers sure are effective. They kill a lot of civilians, an occupier or two, and life goes on. That's great tactics. <eyeroll>
They also lack a formidable education and proper training. Back in the days folks used to march in lines and fire into the oncoming soldiers directly in front of them. This is because they hadnt been trained in guerrilla tactics. A single sniper could wreak havoc on a single platoon
its because people in certain non-western lands are still used to live free and they are willing to fight for it,they know that one day they have to die so why not die fighting
+1
Death before Dishonor
Of course one little boy hiding in a boat managed to shut down an entire city and tie up it's entire law enforcement resources. Imagine the power of say two dozen little boys, or worse yet, 20 grown men.........
Would the feds fire a rocket into the same suburb to get the 20 men? If so, would that motivate the rest of the neighborhood? Would the feds fire rockets in many different suburbs/neighborhoods?
Feds? No. But perhaps the UN.
Would those 20 grown men be armed with box-cutters? If so, they might just possibly bring about the economic collapse and demise of the world's most powerful country.
That is quite possibly the dumbest comment I have ever read.
You must be new here then.
Look at the havoc the DC snipers caused - and while innovative - they weren't very smart or interested in targeting "the system" in any kind of organized way.
If you had 10 experienced, semi-organized teams, that were more mobile, changed their tactics, and also targeted infrastructure - they could really stir-up some shit.
They were terrorists targeting innocents.
No such activity will EVER be supported, condoned, or occur in the fight for liberty.
As to your point, they were successful at causing a disruption specifically BECAUSE there was no rhyme or reason to their cowardly attacks. Legitimate, targeted attacks against specific opposition, would produce no where near the disruption.
Of course - that's one of the issues any so-called "freedom fighter" faces: Who/what do you actually fight? Knocking out infrastructure: power, roads, bridges, airports, or rail, probably screws yourself and your neighbors more than it does TPTB. And trying to take the fight to the man would be like tackling an invisible hydra - you can get a few heads, but how do you harm the beast? Personally, I think self-reliance and non-participation is the best way, but that's just me.
Self reliance and non-participation is, indeed, the best way. The problem is that this stance will eventually bring TPTB to your door to confiscate, interrogate or whatever it takes to force you to participate by giving up what you have saved, where you have sheltered and to pay, in some way, for your subversive ways. That's when you will be forced into the violent or non-violent decision, whether you planned for it or not. This thing will get physical and you cannot NOT participate when there is violence forced upon you. If you stand out from the herd in any way, you will be labelled "terrorist" and your ass is grass.
Pour gasoline under every door and window sill on K Street first.
Then worry about the moral conundrum of eliminating lesser targets.
You gave up long before you even thought about fighting back. Every revolution faced superior odds.
I did not give up. I studied history. Look at, among others, the French Revolution and the Sandinista Revolution to see what happens when there is revolution without an ideological base. Only the most brutal win. And that works out not so great.
Bullshit! Your comments are those who think there is nothing you can do because you are up against superior odds. Do you think the American revolution was won by brute force? Or that Russia was kicked out of Afghanistan by brute force? How about the U.S defeat in Vietnam? All of these people faced a superior enemy and won. I could list hundreds of battles throughout history were a smaller group has faced overwhelming odds and won.
Edit: you mention the French Revolution. Sure it was bloody and ugly,but I will leave you with this quote:
"The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
The French may be pathetic in a lot of people's eyes, but at least they chose their own destiny.
What came after the French Revolution was no improvement over the royalty, and indeed was far worse. Imagine you can defeat the most powerful fighting force of all time with a few guns, when your compatriors are "support the troops" types who will thank them for their service as they are being shot at by those troops. Let's live in that fantasyland. So then what? Absent a framework of liberty and a deep understanding of and longing for liberty by the populace, the regime that comes after our own will be no improvement at all.
You have hopelessly embraced the status quo and condemned your descendants (if any) to slavey. May whatever god you worship have mercy on you soul.
Nothing I have said indicates I embrace the status quo. We have different ideas of strategy. Your reading comprehension is as poor as your grasp of history.
Everything you have said , everything , has suggested that you more than happy to live in the existing system, rather than do whatever is necessary to change it. You sir are a coward who tries to obfuscate the issue by suggesting that I know nothing of history. I assure you sir that your assertions are far from the truth.
Shutup bigot. You have already shown your true colors.
Bigot? Point me to a comment of mine that speaks of bigotry. You sir have shown that your are dumber than a box of rocks, and by telling me to " shut up" are a statist who would rather silence the opposition rather than debate them. You sir are the problem with today's society.
You debate like a monkey flinging shit at the alphas before having a limb torn off. You add no value. This will be my last address of your utter textual putrescence. I strongly encourage all not to engage you as you are not worth the time lost to typing. Your government sodomization will be painful and lasting. Your shackles await.
Damn! + 2001 Don't let me get on the wrong side of you.
You're one of my favorite posters here and that whole exchange made me dumber. "Alternative" is a loser and will no longer be referenced.
> Your government sodomization will be painful and lasting
If you are really unlucky, it'll be by "The Obama Tag Team" - Barry and Reggie!!
You assume that the troops are on the governments side. Once the government turns on the American people the military and police will choose sides accordingly.
The French revolution didn't turn out well.
Word up there dawg....it's still illegal to talk about the Vendee over there.....wonder why?
When they ran out of the opposition to kill.....it was no problem.....they just started killing their own......let the good times roll.
Doc, atomicwasted and alternative tag-teamed you pretty good. Don't fall for their trolling. Notice how quickly they went all ad hominum on you. Spare your excellent comments for more worthy engagement
Yeah yeah yeah atomic wasted. We have all that and more in Afganistan/Iraq ......how's that going for you? Finn faced 45 divisions of the Red army and pulverized them with mainly bolt action mosin nagants a few soumi kp31 smg's and skis. You just have to have sisu man.
If you're right about Adams, then why did there have to be any fighting to begin with?
The Revolution might have been won before the first shot was fired, but until those shots got fired, it went nowhere.
I've said on here before. If the US can't hold down Afghanistan with a coalition of some 20 other countries at it's side....how the fuck is D.C. going to hold down Idaho?
they will send in Lon Horiuchi
They will cut off the corporate food distribution system and Idaho will starve to death. And no, hunting wild game will not save everybody.
You know nothing of Idaho do you?
Who da ho? I da ho!
(snicker)
The US holds what they want to hold. Roads, commercial hubs etc. With US forces in Afghanistan peaking around 100k(currently around 60k) and the whole force around 140k(currently around100k) it's obvious they don't care much about the cave dwellers. And it's obvious by the limited casualties that the cave dwellers don't want to mess with the US military.
In Iraq, now that the US is largely gone, it's total mayhem. At least 9000 deaths in attacks last year. Based on what I've seen international efforts to train the Afghan military are failing. The people there are waiting for the power struggles ahead.
It's important that the US military secure and hold the gold mines being built, and keep Heroin production at maximum...other than that, no worries.
Wait, what? I thought we were fightin terrrrr, fightin freedumb, smokin out Obama or something. Damn it's hard to think straight when Afghan War ain't on the TV everynite.
s/
don't forget the oil pipelines, and a few billion in development aid that's got to be paid back at interest. You know what's up. Same vultures, different century.
Now that Obama has unwittingly established the "free-shit army, they might come out in big numbers at future elections and bring down the existing structure once and for all. But it would no doubt be a tough hole to dig back out of.
Any elections are rigged in the USA. We learned that in 2012. Plus probably 2008 and 2000. Our leaders are all connected or controlled by alphabet agencies who are connected to "The State Dept."
Probably 2000? You learned that in 2012? I'd say you're a fucking idiot but you already have chuck norris as your avatar so...
Freddie, everytime I see you post I figure you're going to blame Hollywood somehow, for everything. This one comment is an exception. I have to ask you though ... if you hate Hollywood movies so much, how come you have a B actor for an avatar? It's like a vegan with a hamburger for an avatar. I'm just confused.
He got the idea from a television commercial. Freddie LOVES television!
Not unwittingly. On purpose.
Anybody who hasn't read The Cloward-Piven Strategy should do so now. It will be on the final exam.
How many organized acts of 'resistance' have you heard about in the last 6 months in the U.S.?
Intelligent people call 'first-movers'----FODDER!
In all of History which class of people do the dying for the "system".... for the "Values"?.....BULLSHIT...they are NOT fighting for freedom and security for THEIR FAMILY......They are DYING for the Status Quo Elite!
I will OBSERVE.....and await your tactical move! I will ACT Strategically....after all the FODDER is sorted out!
BS COWARD!
I think we have a first mover here.
Let me offer you my support, from the safety of my bunker.
Until you take away cable tv and government benefits, no one will notice the violence.
A lot of people would interpret THAT as an act of violence.
The whole concept of pacifism is foisted so easily by those in power to subjugate those who chose to act passively out of cowardly self preservation. The Jews foisted it unto the early Christians and look at how that turned out. The world's wealth is now and for the past 2000 years been controled by mostly Jews while those who have obligingly "turned the other cheek" and allowed this to happen are nothing more than sheep ripe for the slaughter. They do so out of the utmost selfishness imaginable and that is that if they are good little sheep that Heaven will magically hold a special place for them. Nothing disgusts me more and nothing could be further from the truth. There is no salvation for those who practice self preservation at the expense not standing up for what is right.
+1
You know we are reaching a tipping point when the Buddhists get angry.
Don't provoke. They may get "incensed" and choke you with their beads.
Everyone has a limit.
It's easy to see the majority of the people in the US want a tyrant/despot/dictator.
We have had many years of non-leaders.
The US is prime for Hitler/Mao/Stalin-type/dictator/Despot/tyrant. Obama has already tested this by ignoring the constitution and getting away with it.
The only way to counteract the oligarchs is with extreme and well planned violence. The oligarchs want to abolish the constitution and have a one world government.
The US armed forces are swear to uphold the constitution.
" I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; "
Time for the US forces to counter the oligarchs.
The great disappointment is how many of said forces equate the flag and the constitution. There's gonna be a lot of killing on behalf of the flag that is in direct violation of the constitution.
As usual.
I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of america. and to the Republic FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
the Flag is the SYMBOL of the Republic/Constitution.
Except when bound by a yellow fringe. Then it's a symbol for Admiralty Law. The Republic went bankrupt, went into receivership, and the Constitution does not apply.
We are under new corporate management and they aren't leaving until we Kill Them All.
As a Finn, I agree 100% with the following in the article: "Third, I'm not sure why non-aggression champions see the argument of statistical chance as relevant. When all is said and done, the “odds” of success in any fight against oligarchy DO NOT MATTER. Either you fight, or you are enslaved. The question of victory is an afterthought."
For us, fighting the Soviets was a non-choice between fighting, whatever the odds, or capitulating, which would have meant death for the men, Siberian death camps for children and mass rapes for women. No choice. You fight. Pointless to think about the odds. By the way, universal military service still exists back in Finland. Every male will be in arms in a foxhole facing east within hours, if we have to. Totally irrelevant again, what the odds are.
Can you please explain to us the meaning of "sisu"?
Think of it as "guts" - as in having the guts to face a task.
More lile stubborn, reckless perseverance. Never give up.
This is sisu at 185 mph wih Kimi going straight up almost at Eau Rouge at Spa. The guy being passed is in a coma in France and will hopefully get better soon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOulFuhhF28
From another angle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLr3wEzSiEI
A great young German driver named Stefan Bellhof died trying to do the same pass in a Porsche 956.
Mika explains Sisu.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bmqdnx5R1U
Go to 4:30.
Here is Mika fracturing his skull in 1995 in a crash at 170 mph where the tire got cut. He almost died and was in a coma with 7 months recovery. He came back and won the drivers championship in 1999 and I think 2000.
This is Sisu.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPgkm-wsc6M
Here is Kimi who did the pass above on Schumacher in the Finnish reserves. About this time he was being paid $49 million a year by Ferrari. Are those Valmet rifles?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMsME_kYfPY
Yes. The Finns had no choice. They knew what Stalin would do.
The Finns are probably the last people on earth you tell what to do.
Simo Hayha. 5 foot tall farmer with 705 kills in 100 days using a Finnish version of a Mosin Nagant with iron sights - no scope. Finnish M28 - essentially his hunting rifle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJxkbBr2Wvo
I tried starting to read a history of the war but it was so brutal that it gave me nightmares. The Russians if they were shot essentially died. The cold was brutal. The Finns were so smart that the hapless Soviet conscripts almost had no chance.
History teaches us one important military lesson:
Don't fuck with the locals.
Don't even think about screwing with flyover country......you WILL die.
If you want to drive though that's fine....but don't even think about getting out of the car.
"...Death camps for children..."??? "...Mass rapes for wemen..."??? They also eat kittens and puppys!;-)))
As a Finn, you brainwashed nicely;-)
No words...;-)
Never read the history of the Red Army, have you? ;:<?> F+K OFF
Terrorists aim at intriguing civil war in Lebanon
"[Iranian Ambassador Ghazanfar Roknabadi] in the meeting condemned the recent terrorist attacks in Tripoli and Zahiyah district of Beirut, as well as the assassination of the former Lebanese finance minister Muhammad Shatah and the double suicide explosions in front of the Iranian embassy in Beirut."
"'All those operations were, as you said, aimed at intriguing an internal sedition in Lebanon, and they are all planned and plotted by the terrorist Zionist regime and its agents,' said the Iranian envoy."
"He said that the Takfiri terrorists are exclusively the Zionists’ agents implementing the plots hatched by them and their mercenaries today."
Israel benefits from chaos in Lebanon: Ex-pres.
"Former Lebanese President Emile Lahoud says that Israel and extremist elements in the region benefit from chaos in his country, Press TV reports."
"Earlier in the day, at least five people were killed and more than 70 others injured after a powerful car bomb went off in the Haret Hreik neighborhood in the southern part of the Lebanese capital."
"Lebanese President Michel Sleiman said the terrorists behind the bombing are those who have committed crimes recently in other parts of the country."
"'Who benefits the most are the enemies of Lebanon; we have two enemies in Lebanon and both are extremist… the fundamentalist extremists and at the same time the Israelis,' Lahoud told Press TV in an interview on Thursday."
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The government surely isn't a role model when it comes to not engaging in violence.
Indeed. And the nature of bullies is that they never take pity after they have reached a certain point of dominance. They do not stop until they are forced to stop.
Let me get this straight:
NMewn, Knuckles and a bunch of 'my AR15, my gold stash' shouting rednecks are first going to liberate us.
But what happens the next day, when they discover I don't pray every day to the same BS anglo variation of Christianity as they do?
Worse than that, what happens when they discover I own more BTCs than gold ounces?
I'm afraid at that point I will be summarily executed, which puts my chances higher if I don't sign up with redneck ammo and gold BS.
Just sayin'
How about this scenario? After all said and done these same groups of rednecks go their own separate ways, and you worship mammon, Gaia, Mephistopheles, consumerism or your deity of choice, and the rest of us move on to worship ours. The end result is we don't have a system where two camps are evenly dividing us into groups where if you don't fall into one set of beliefs you fall into the other.
Sounds nice, but I don't trust you. You are already one of us/them, anyway. Like I'm gona trust somebody like that?!
Well, in the event of a successful revolution, I think it's safe to say that you'd have very little say about what comes after.
And THAT is the sad, scary truth
Doc you see the problem here; you could never comprehend why a bunch of lazy, cowardly sheep place so much value on their miserable existence.
Are these the cunts you would wish to lay down your life for?
I am willing to lay down my life for my family and dearest friends without question. If other people benefit from that, I'm cool with it.
fair comment! However one may not have the luxury of choice as and when.
I have never believed that I can extend my life one second beyond those that have been allotted to me.
I am firmly in the camp of encouraging other people to lay down their lives for my family and dearest friends wherever possible. I like my hide with the factory issue number of holes in it.
Just stay out of my hidey hole and nobody gets hurt.
Alternative, you make my point for me. Remember the Sandinista coalition to defeat that asshole Somoza? When he was gone that was great. But the most violent faction, the communists, won, and then began the purges. Rednecks are probably near the top of the list for most violent, which would make them our sandinista communists, and I'm not eager to be forced to worship their god at gunpoint.
Trusting one bunch of fanatics, after not trusting another, is certainly not high of my list of allegiances.
I swear atomicwasted and alternative are the same idiot with two different .gov names. Or does your mancrush involve more than shared talking points? It's touching really.
Insanely stupid post from someone probably in Kallyfornia or NYC.
I moved South because I want to be surrounded by rednecks when SHTF. Go to a gun show sometime, especially in the South. Nicest, most polite folks you'll ever find.
They'll get violent when the time comes, and for good reason. When it's all over, they'll just go back to being nice again.
You obviously don't hang out with rednecks.
They are going to liberate themselves. They could give a shit less what you and anybody else does, as long as you don't fuck with them.
I am saying what I'm saying precisely because I do.
You are all bunch of stupid, lazy loudmouths.
You will shit bricks as soon as gubermint farts in your general direction.
Oh, and if we cut the welfare state who will suffer more, rednecks or blacks?
From what I see, both will suffer probably equally.
Apparently you haven't been to Meat Trapper's web site. He'll not be lacking for protein for his family. When all the deer hunters have devastated the deer population in short order. He'll likely be feeding their hungry kids.
When you're talking having meat to eat in the really hard times, the boy got it goin' on!
Back to killin' snakes
You must have grown up with a different bunch of rednecks than I did.
This is not a few thousand rednecks in the south you idiot.
http://www.huntingpa.com/Deer%20stats.html
These are old numbers from 1998. The numbers have dropped a bit since then. PA is still over 900,000. MI is about 900,000, WI around 800,000, NY just under 700,000 and Texas is higher - closer to 700,000.
LEADING DEER HUNTING STATES
(Licensed Resident Deer Hunters)
Pennsylvania 1,299,372
Michigan 1,005,000
Wisconsin 894,543
New York 812,446
Texas 645,000
http://www.outdoornews.com/August-2012/Pennsylvania-lags-in-sales-of-hun...
The total increase in hunters in all 50 states went from 12.5 million in 2006 to 13.7 million in 2011. While it is still below the 55-year high of 14 million in 1991, it reverses a downward trend since the 2000 to 2005 census, Aiken said.
Pennsylvania, which once counted more than 1 million hunters, has seen license sales drop from 945,892 in 2006 to 933,208 in 2011.
13.7 million licensed hunters in the USA. This is the biggest army on the planet.
Most have scoped rifles and a few with bows. They all paid for permits, they all know how to conceal and they know how to shoots.
The states of Florida, Georgia and AL have over 2 million concealed weapons permits.
http://legallyarmed.com/ccw_statistics.htm
493,000 CCW's in Indiana. Over 176,000 in Connecticut. 243,000 in Iowa. 512,000 in Michigan.
There were probably 70 million new firearms sold in the past 5 years. This is in a country that is saturated with firearms. The vast majority of these people have money and pay taxes.
This is not some small fringe of people.
Because 13 millon GOP gun owners who buy into lawnorder and "support the troops" are going to turn around and shoot those troops. Riiiight. They'll line up to turn in their guns just like in Connecticut, because the nice police officer who is there to Keep Them Safe tells them to.
You really ought to visit some rednecks and maybe have a look at the plethora of gun hiding and burying stuff available online. They'll turn in their guns, huh? Just like they quit making moonshine, growing dope, etc.
My bet is, some will comply, some partially (turn in one and keep four), and some will tell the Sheriff to get stuffed.
Back to killin' snakes
You can't possibly be from the US and A. Either that or you're beyond clueless.
A lot of those GOP gun owners are getting just as pissed off at Boner as they are at TeleNegro and his minions.
Really? No one is more of a sheep than a right-winger when he's told to do something by a cop, military member, or man with an (R) next to his name. The false bravado is laughable. Oregon hippies high on dope would be better revolutionaries than right-wingers.
Having grown up in Michigan, I agree that this is a formidable army. The biggest problem with keeping them all on the team is coming up with a steady supply of beer that keeps them shooting whatever moves in the woods.
Its the unlicensed hunters one has to worry about !!! Trust me on that one...
What about those unlicensed Bombers? Bombs do much more damage than Guns.
I do not own a gun to my name. Who needs a gun?
Anybody whom is a registered owner of one or more guns is an idiot.
I have read of people reporting that their registered guns were stolen. There has been a rash of gun "theft" in this country....RECENTLY.
In fact the growth of this crime has been Exponentially Increasing as rapidly as Boating Accidents.
Of course if you find that they were somehow misplaced rather than stolen then it is your duty to inform the proper authorities.
This is useful because you do not want to traffic Stolen Merchandise. The new buyer might also end up losing them as well. (Double entendre)
I am not suggesting that anyone break the law.
What others know can be used against you. Likewise what others do NOT know can be used against them.
Please understand what I wrote and give me a Down Arrow to demonstrate that you disagree...
"But what happens the next day, when they discover I don't pray every day to the same BS anglo variation of Christianity as they do"?
Maybe they wouldn't say anything. Maybe they just wouldn't care that YOU have deemed their beliefs invalid. But that doesn't fit into your bigoted stereotype.
Yep, it's OK if you stereotype southerners in every negative way possible but do not dare commit a speech/thought crime of saying the word metro-sexual.